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Girl claims she was raped at knifepoint. Que witch hunt. Turns out the sex was consensual, but guy wouldn't loan her $20 and she missed her curfew so she made the entire story up. Annnd he still has to go to court. If it wasn't for text messages, he'd be doing life in san quentin. (self.TheRedPill)

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[–]Scoundrel_ 355 points356 points  (83 children) | Copy Link

Love how the man is identified by his full name — including middle initial! — while the woman is identified as . . . "the woman."

[–]LittleCrazee 49 points50 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

No fucking kidding.

Burn her to the fucking ground.

And burn down a system where anyone who is merely accused of anything has their name released to the public so that their lives can be ruined regardless of guilt. What purpose exactly does that serve anyway? Honestly. I'm no lawyer, if anyone is and can explain that to me it would be appreciated.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It serves the purpose of selling newspapers and getting ratings. The media doesn't give a flying fuck about your life, they just want money.

[–]vaker 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not even that. If you think back, the dumbest, most pompous liberal asshole SJWs majored in 'journalism'.

[–]Position5hero 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The media is the propaganda arm of the SJW movement; of course young shits are drawn to a job where they are paid to publish filth and lies

[–]Humankeg 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It has to do with secret and public trials. Back when the law was written, people were afraid of secret trials: accused being hauled away and never seen again, no mention of the trial, evidence, or what even happened.

Public trials give all the information out and offers protection from disappearing.

The problem isn't the information going public, the problem is the way the public uses that information: guilty until proven innocent, and even then still guilty.

[–]magical_artist42 points43 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I also like the part where it is clearly states that a single lie of an 18 year old almost put away a man for life.

Jesus, that is power. A scary, fucked up power.

Also, the part where the texts etc already prove this is BS, they still want to "fully investigate" it. Wat'?

[–]Darkone06 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fully investigate - means wasting tax payers money while we do nothing for two weeks.

[–]Los_olvidados 198 points199 points  (63 children) | Copy Link

Totally disgusting, you guys in American should get your shit together and start a movement to stop this BS.

[–]TheGoldenCaulk 133 points134 points  (56 children) | Copy Link

I think we might be the single dumbest country in the world, relatively speaking.

Either that, or the most complacent. People don't want to get up and do anything around here, unless it's a bill that they can repeal online from their couch. Pretty soon, voting for president will be handled on twitter. Mark my words

I was born in the US, and though I think it's a nice place to live, there's a huge amount of dummies here.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

It's complacency really. When shit gets bad here, it's not really that bad. Like last month, ok, ONE place in Missouri had some police issues and a kid died, people got injured, cameras broken, etc etc right. Not cool, means a lot in terms of police militarization and rights n all that. Basically we're used to bitching and saying it's not ok, but most of us can wake up and go to work, or wake up and do whatever, without a large impact.

West Africa is dealing with ALL the shit they have to deal with, and an ebola outbreak... like who gives a fuck if their rights are a tad infringed upon, they could just die in a week.

When's the last time there was ever a country-wide, big, 'oh fuck fuck fuck fuck' issue in the US?

[–]dhump 7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The side effect of not having "oh fuck" scenarios happening here is that we end up with people who are self-proclaimed "freedom fighters" being a general annoyance protesting for any issue they can find - $15/hr burger-flipper jobs, animal rights, and anything "green".

If anything devastating or of significant impact to our society came about, these would be the first people hiding in their closet crying.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, and people doing armchair yelling (i forget the real terms, but talking on FB instead of doing something real) is that we get that sense of "I did something today" already, without having done anything. Makes it easy for the government to set up, say, an online petition site where ANYONE can voice ANY concern, and they'll read it.... and once people type out their ideas it doesn't DO jack.

[–]SecondBullRun 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I learned this term tonight - it's "slacktivism"! It has a weird potency to fool people into thinking they're doing something of substance.

[–]TheGoldenCaulk 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Slacktivism..... I like that

[–]3Ill_mumble_that 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually it does do something. Voicing your opinion on those forms gets your name added to a list with the FBI or other appropriate agency. Maybe they'll be monitoring everything you do for a while after until they are certain you're not a threat.

[–]deville05 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

But thats what capitalism and rising costs in designed to do... To make you worry about feeding your family and making enough to get by so that you get up n go to work and ignore important issues of your society because they dont affect you that day. I think rich people in a society like this, who dont have to work everyday to get by comfortably, should gather and say "alright poor people and middle class people, you keep working for the economy, keep our country running and let us fight for your causes"

[–]3Ill_mumble_that 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You mean like an oligarchy?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean like contemporary celebrities?

[–]1oldredder 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing about capitalism requires rising costs & nothing happening in America is capitalism.

It's government-bank Fascism oligarchy. Very much not capitalism.

In actual capitalism everyone seeks to reduce costs & therefore keep the most left over after a trade of anything - one resource for another, a skill, a trade, even IOUs to later be paid but paid in full reliably. If anything this will keep prices down.

Prices rising is a function of money-supply rising faster than goods are available (and services) and the one party at fault is the central bank issuing currency, and their minion banks loaning currency out without reserves to back it. Good to know but this /r isn't the place for it. Zerohedge is the place for that topic.

The worry people have is a byproduct, not the goal. The goal is to steal your work from you directly with no written tax. It's called inflation. Rise prices, take the benefit from having issued the currency yourself (counterfeiting) at no cost. Zero cost. Except it's LEGAL counterfeiting when a minion-bank does it or the Federal Reserve itself (and those of other nations, the ECB, England's, Canada's, Israel's, etc.).

That very much is not capitalism.

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[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

"Go away, batin'!" should replace "e pluribus unum" as the nation's motto.

[–]dhump 25 points26 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I object! I object that this guy interrupted me while I was watching 'Ow, My Balls!'

[–]Involution88 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I object! That he's not gonna have any money to pay me after he pays back all the money he stole from the hospital!

[–]ioncloud9 17 points18 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I want my god damned literacola!

[–][deleted]  (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]ioncloud9 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dont know man just give me my fucking literacola!

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just get a large, Farva. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

[–]pterofractyl 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fat tails. Lots of idiots but many of the worlds smartest.

[–]ArmandoWall 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"I think we might be the single dumbest country in the world, relatively speaking."

You should travel more.

[–]Folsomdsf 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I was born in the US, and though I think it's a nice place to live, there's a huge amount of dummies everywhere.

Decided to fix that for you, people in general are dumb, and you are just accusing the ones in your region, show some respect to the rest of the human race. We're really not all that bright.

[–]Surf_Or_Die -5 points-4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Americans are just less intelligent than average. At least in my experience. Europeans, Australians, Canadians all seem to be, on an average, more informed and intelligent than Americans. Southerners are by far the worst. Jesus Christ. I almost got an ulcer from working in Texas. The average IQ must have dropped like 20 points. Must be all that going to church that makes em' stupid.

[–]USmellFunny 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, at least you're not Sweden. Anyway, it's hard to start such a movement because of the backlash, imagine headlines identifying them as "mysogynistic group" or "anti-woman movement".

[–]TheGoldenCaulk 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It'd be tough on any country if a large portion of one sex decided enough was enough, and started a large-scale movement

I think something like that happened before...... i just can't quite place it.......Oh yeah, feminism

Only this time it'll be MEN protesting, MEN making the arguments, based on logic and reason. And as we know, logic and reason are scary things

[–]bazola01 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I was born in the US, and though I think it's a nice place to live, there's a huge amount of dummies here.

Ever spent any time abroad? Why do you think US isn't a 3rd world shithole (yet)? Because people are dumb?

[–]a_nus2 points [recovered] (14 children) | Copy Link

Having lived in many countries including the US (my current location), this is the most comfortable and lazy country I've lived in.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I dunno man. I started living in the third world about a year and a half ago, and the really striking thing is how "lazy" the people are. I think the problem is that there's a sort of equilibrium here where everyone just accepts a low level of service and productivity, takes 2 hour naps, 2 hour lunches, and then complain about being poor to the shitty, corrupt, government (who are also spending about 2/3s of the working day doing nothing). I'm trying to run a business and it's incredibly frustrating when about 70% of the time postal workers will either open shipments and steal anything of value (baby clothes, electronics) or just not bother delivering so that you have to track everything down yourself. The people are also extremely tribal, and the result is a huge number of people who literally don't give a shit about anyone but their family. Very bad for business and growth. It's not a race thing, it's a social equilibrium thing, but it is hard to avoid the impression that the third world is poor and lacks innovation mostly because the people are untrustworthy to strangers, shitty to each other, and opportunistically self-interested in ways that seem almost psychopathic to people from the first world.

[–]bazola01 8 points9 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

and lazy country I've lived in.

Having lived in a few myself, it is by far not the laziest.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Who's lazier, not arguing simply wondering?

[–]SenorPuff 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I spent some time in Italy. 6 hour work day 5 days a week with a 3 hour break for lunch.

[–]GiveMeABreak25 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is that it?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I've lived in numerous countries in the former Soviet Union, currently living in one now. They are all lazier than America...and more complacent with a much worse quality of life...and more defeatest...and excuse-driven.

The truth is Americans are just much more vocal about our own shortcomings--the rest of the world is happy to jump on that bandwagon.

[–]bazola01 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Having lived in ex-USSR, I agree. While most of people in my circles are highly productive, as a whole, as a society, at least Russia, is very lazy. People do come off as busy but doing busy work isn't necessary the opposite of lazy. And I'm not even touching the subject of complacency. And all of it is the reflection of hundreds of years of culture, which sadly, has been worsened by the Soviet regime.

The truth is Americans are just much more vocal about our own shortcomings--the rest of the world is happy to jump on that bandwagon.

One of the most amusing things is how fast immigrants to the US jump on that American-hate wagon while living off of welfare in the US. One of the most fascinating things I've ever seen in my life.

[–]Dapalm89 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. I live in Korea, currently. This place has tenfold the racism and right abuses that America does. Also, many people work 12 hours a day six days a week--of course, their work culture is very different, so they spend a lot of that time pretending to work because they can't leave until their boss leaves. And the boss could be playing starcraft in his office for fucks sakes.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've traveled to a lot of branches for my company, not calling Europeans 'lazy' (it's really just culture) but all our offices there were insanely laid back, same with Australia, so even working the same hours they accomplish a lot less. Lots of places have mandated minimum hours and pretty liberal vacation (Europeans get like 5 weeks by law?) Most people in the US are lucky to have more than 2 weeks.

Japan/Korea seem to be on par with most of our US offices.

Our NYC office is absolute insanity, they probably accomplish in a month what the other offices do in a year.

Keep in mind I've only been to major metro areas, not sure what outside the city is like in most of those places.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Montenegro. The laziest people on earth. They'd likely agree too.

[–]bazola01 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I actually wouldn't try to classify anyone on any sort of scale like that, as it would be very simplistic. Something that one people can perceive as laziness could be a cultural thing.

If measure by overall productivity and economic output — the US is one of the most productive countries, if measure by personal activities — the US is one of the most active as well, and places like ex-USSR or Mexico would be closer to the bottom. And so on. Can't really build an index to measure laziness simply.

I hope that made sense, I'm barely making sense to myself atm having just gotten out of bed, waiting for the wife to make me breakfast...

[–]Dark_Shroud 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

America is too comfortable to live in. Most people don't want to rock the boat.

[–]weirdnamedindian -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's funny you know!

Growing up watching Disney and Hollywood, America was the place every kid around me dreamt of one day going to!

NY, Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, LAS VEGAS!!!

Yeah!!!

Now, I wouldn't dare settle down in the US unless I had no choice!

[–]MassSpecFella 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As an immigrant from Ulster to the US I can tell you that the US has good and bad sides just like anywhere. The good side is if you are smart and hard working you can be well rewarded. There are lots of opportunities in the US. Having said that these are slowly diminishing. All successful businesses and ideas are bought out. The country is absolutely beautiful. Breathtaking in places. The nation parks are very well kept and affordable to visit. In the US you can be as weird as you like and find acceptance somewhere (not in small town America though).

The downside is your kids will be slaves. They will get a shitty education. They will be buried in debt if they go to college or broke if they don't. The laws are many and easy to break. The judicial system is horrible. Do not break the law in the US they will fuck you up. They may fuck you up anyway. Costs go up and up while pay stays the same of goes down. The middle class is squeezed. There's no community or values in the major metropolitan areas and there is just religion in the other areas. If you can find your niche in the states it can be amazing. But danger is always present. Oh and whatever you do, don't get sick.

[–]CRUSHPUSSY_MARRYAMAN 31 points32 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The problem is that rational people can't even speak out about this without being yelled down and labeled a misogynist. The common mindset, especially in blue states, is that men who fuck up are monsters who must be punished. Women who fuck up were just confused or made a mistake, could have happened to anybody. It's impossible to even get traction on MRA issues in a public forum because MRA groups were thought of as hate groups before they even got off the ground.

To be fair this is entirely the men of America's fault for ever letting feminism take such hold in our country. Like fools, we thought we could give women an inch and they WOULDN'T take a mile. Now my generation is paying for my father's generation's ineptitude.

[–]Endorsed ContributorLastRevision 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tough on crime= men are punished

Compassionate and empathetic= pussy pass

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Totally disgusting, you guys in American should get your shit together and start a movement to stop this BS.

There's already more of them than there are of us. Basically anyone who isn't Redpill is inculcated into toxic feminism in some way or another.

Joining a visible movement would only make us obvious targets. That's why most of us are here in /r/TheRedPill in the first place - it's the only place we have any degree of anonymity (and we're still not entirely safe).

[–]DukeHollywood 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've been following the UK and the Rotterham abuse and I think they are hands down have the most fucked up system. This guy got cleared fairly quickly but the woman should get the book thrown at her and be sent to jail to deter others from doing the same thing.

[–]ComradeGoby 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Europe is fucked as well. Have fun when all the Muslims and Africans ruin it while feminists bitch. Except Muslims aren't going to fall for the tricks whites fell for. Have fun arguing gender discrimination in a sharia court

[–]Entrefut 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately with how much money is in feminism and the number of ties women's "empowerment" has in our market, there's no way this shit is going to stop, until the male flight in the US takes place and all the hardworking men gtfo of the US. I'm 20 and I have changed my major from business to STEM so I could get a good job outside of the US. Things are going downhill fast.

[–]satisfyinghump 22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And by doing so, he has now become guilty for life, regardless of what happens at the trial.

Trying to get a job? Nope! Google turned up your history!

[–]Polorutz 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Well, this kind of makes sense, they're clearing his name from the wrongdoing, this is important specially if he was identified as a potential culprit before.

Not naming the woman might also have to do with her potentially being held liable for perjury.

[–]DoctorsHateHim 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. If they did not release his name, they would not have to clear it.

Even if the charges got dropped, this guy is now guilty for life, regardless of what happens next.

Why the fuck did they ever have to release his name if he was not convicted of any charge by a court of law?!

[–]Polorutz 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed, his name should not have been used at all.

[–]PictureTraveller 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

difference is she is culprit of it

[–]Polorutz 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course, but that's not what's being discussed.

[–]sdflkjeroi342 -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Actually, if you're innocent and the article states this, wouldn't you want your full name on there?

[–]1independentmale 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Preferably his name wouldn't have appeared at all to begin with.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because she was a minor you retard. 18+ don't have a curfew.

[–]Honesty0504147 points [recovered] (66 children) | Copy Link

Laws need to be made where you can charge the woman back for this shit. She should be liable for at least a portion of the sentence he could have been serving.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRed_August 87 points88 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The prosecutor: "We have an obligation to find the truth,” Staebell said. “We’re going through the forensic evidence with a fine-toothed comb and doing everything we can to determine what occurred during this incident.”

What we didn't hear: "He's innocent, sir, what do we do now about the girl who perjured herself, almost sent a man for life in prison and wasted thousands of taxpayer money - shall we pursue?!"

"What? Nah. Put that judicial fine toothed comb away. She suffered enough as it is the poor thing." Staebell said.

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[–]YourKarmaMeansNothin 13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, i think a good argument AGAINST this would be:

If there was a punishment for confessing it was a lie, how many more innocent men would go to prison over it?

Because you know women won't admit to fucking anything if they're gonna get in trouble over it, even if it means a man will have his life ruined.

[–]Honesty05043 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I was thinking that it would prevent women from making the claim in the first place, but you make an excellent point.

[–]YourKarmaMeansNothin 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wish it would be like that :S

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's the deal. One woman admitted she lied as a scared teenager (Her mother caught her with porn, put the idea in the girl's head bet she would only look at porn cause someone messed with her, so the girl said she was raped). Guy was in prison for a few years (on a rape charge) she got less time than he served, presumably so other women won't be afraid to come forward. It's a shame this is such a common issue they need to time down the sentences for women so they come forward. It's really an epidemic.

[–]DoctorsHateHim 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They should not have to admit to lying, the whole verdict shouldn't depend on if the accuser or the accused is lying or not, it should be based on fucking evidence.

The accuser and the accused are both heavily invested in the outcome of the case and all of their statements should be taken with a huge grain of salt.

[–]GottlobFrege 31 points32 points  (53 children) | Copy Link

The argument is that this would make real victims of rape too afraid to report it

[–]EscortVoyeurAdmin 156 points157 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

That's a BS argument from people who want to protect false accusers. All criminal allegations must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, and the crime is willful false crime accusation.

You wouldn't go to jail if you accused someone of a crime and they weren't convicted, or if you remembered the facts wrong, you'd go to jail if a DA proved beyond a reasonable doubt that you willfully and maliciously fabricated an accusation.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 33 points34 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Indeed. The term is perjury.

More women need to be punished for committing it.

[–]JustThrewUp 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

In Germany this is actually a law, punishable by up to the maximum punishment the falsely accused could've gotten iirc.

[–]Gunseng 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I assume that you mean "Meineid" (= Perjury in English). While it is true that you can go to prison for up to 15 years for this, it is important to know that you have to make a false vow in front of a court to commit this crime. Simply filing a wrong police report is not enough.

[–]qwertthrowaway2 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Interesting. Do you know more about how the law is different in Germany? From my personal experience, false rape accusations are unheard of. But is it really better here than in America? Or do I just not hear much of it?

[–]DoctorsHateHim 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I lived there for a couple of years and I never heard of any major case of false rape accusations.

[–]PosterOfHonesty 31 points32 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Very BS argument. At the very least it's obstruction of justice, and cause of false incrimination through fabrication of a story. There should be some type of laws that give them at least some of what they almost caused an innocent person.

[–]Operahat 39 points40 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

There should also be a Willful False Accusers Registry too. And maybe even a phone app with a searchable database to go along with it.

[–]magical_artist25 points26 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

OMG I like that!

If I was single I'd pay to check to see if a potential date was a false-accuser. Could save men enormous amounts of money and time (legal fees/jail), in the bigger picture.

It could also create stigma for this behavior as a whole. Friends look you up, etc..

[–]Operahat 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My thoughts exactly! There's a sex offender registry...why not this as well.

[–]flyingwolf 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I remember about a year back something like this was started. The guy who started it ended up having to close it down because it was discriminatory apparently.

[–]dhump 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ya, can't have people "discriminating" against poor women who fabricate rape stories. Otherwise they might never find a BB to rape financially.

[–]TheOpposingView3 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

If I recall, the site went off the deep end, putting people on the list who were merely misandrist. A real site that actually gathered that information and aggregated it judiciously, that could be successful.

[–]Diabolo_Advocato 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

too bad the logistics, documentation, and backing would need to be sky high (like it is for sex offenders), not to mention the government's cooperation to released closed case documents.

But there are few (if any at all) legal representatives that will spearhead such a cause. Who ever pursues such an avenue will be committing career suicide from the overwhelming backlash that will surely ensue.

I know nothing of that app you speak of, but from the sounds of it, it was managed very poorly; probably very similarly to that female version that rates and judges their ex-boyfriends.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, this is more important than charges. A lot of these false accusers, like Mike Tyson's false accuser, start out accusing people as teenagers (like this 18 year old). It would be really helpful to know who you can't trust. Something like this is definitely needed.

[–]AGiftToAfterthought 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You could possibly throw in defamation of character, too.

Note: I'm Australian. Not sure if that is a thing in the US.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep. Libel and slander are written and oral defamation, respectively. Both are fair game for civil cases (not criminal).

[–]enticingasthatmaybe 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

US states have criminal defamation laws. I know Louisiana does, although it is a minor misdemeanor.

[–]DoesNotMatterAnymore 23 points24 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Why, if you CAN prove that you were raped?

In my lovely country, if you accuse me for rape, please do, but before you do that, prove it. If you can't, i can sue you back for libel.

[–]TheSKSpecial 23 points24 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Why, if you CAN prove that you were raped?

The argument is that being asked for proof is "traumatic" for a rape victim.

So you can falsely accuse someone of rape, put them in jail without having to provide actual proof of it, then you can hide behind the shield of "protecting" actual rape victims and be free from any consequence for your lie.

[–]DoesNotMatterAnymore 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The argument is that being asked for proof is "traumatic" for a rape victim.

So this is like me and my brother were kidnapped by bad guys. They kill my brother in front of my eyes, but they will release me free later on. Now, i don't want to talk to the police, because the experience was too traumatic for me, since i lost my brother in a horrible way.

/s

It's a crime for god's sake! But i see your point, still /s.

[–]TheSKSpecial 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm just saying that's the argument that's being made. I know it's bullshit, but that's the argument.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The argument is that being asked for proof is "traumatic" for a rape victim.

I think we should just completely get rid of this bullshit called "in dubio pro reo" in out justice system, because it is totally traumatic experience for a victim if there is any investigation at all. Let's just do it like in the good ol' times and hang'em all to the next tree. Maybe even do a life-coverage about it on Fox?

/s

[–]mercuryg16 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Right, but when you think about it, it's a terribly invalid argument.

Real rape victims would have no reason to be afraid of being charged back with a portion of the sentence he could have been serving, because that would require actual evidence to prove they fabricated a story. If a woman was actually raped, that evidence wouldn't even exist, the opposite evidence would exist, proving her story true, so why would she worry about being charged back?

[–]Diabolo_Advocato -5 points-4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

you took the most confusing path of logic you possibly could

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They should be afraid to report it; reporting rape isn't a fucking game. Only when the fear of not reporting it is greater should they pick up that phone.

The most responsible gun owners are those who know just how dangerous guns really are. They don't treat guns like toys - when they aim a gun at someone, they know they're putting someone's life in danger. They should only be making that decision when there's no alternative to protect their life, family, and property.

Reporting a crime to the police should really be no different. If you knowingly and maliciously report rape, you shouldn't get 5 years for perjury, you should go to rape me in the ass prison for decades, because what you've done is really no different than shooting at a neighbor and claiming self-defense.

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Prison rape is a horrible thing and needs to be prevented whenever possible, and punished harshly when it does occur. Americans need to stop referring to rape it like it's a standard part of any prison sentence.

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Americans need to stop referring to rape it like it's a standard part of any prison sentence.

I agree, I just meant that they shouldn't go to white collar prison for accusing someone of rape.

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I would argue that high security or supermax prison for liars (non-violent offenders) is generally a waste of taxpayer resources. The point of incarceration is supposed to be rehabilitation, not revenge.

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The point of incarceration is supposed to be rehabilitation, not revenge.

I was under the impression justice factored into the decision. Otherwise, why would the death penalty even exist?

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Because some societies have decided that the only way to prevent future crimes is to end the offender's life. It doesn't get used in that sense as often as it ought to - usually it's "oh he did one really horrible thing, let's kill him" instead of "he's killed two other people since we locked him up, we might have to talk about killing him for the safety of the guards and other inmates" (which would be extremely rare).

[–]salami_inferno 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, America has a bad habit of viewing jail as revenge, it should be about rehabilitation first. The death penalty should not be used as revenge, but as a means to eliminate. threat once it's clear a person will always be a threat and can't be rehabilitated.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"The point of incarceration is supposed to be rehabilitation, not revenge."

Really? That's news to me.

I thought the point of incarceration was to keep trouble at bay, so society had less burden while they were away.

Rehabilitation is a personal choice & struggle and anyone who could argue prison did cause, or even encourage rehabilitation hasn't seen prison or how people are that come out.

Revenge is costly & shouldn't factor in at all.

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I would argue that we should just line them up and roll out the firing squads, but whatever.

[–]salami_inferno 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why stop there? Why not public beheadings and flayings? At some point in time we need to at least pretend to be civilized and not a bunch of barbarians.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cost.

Bullets are cheaper. Gas is cheaper still.

Know what's not cheap?

Paying government flunkies & trusting they only kill the guilty. One day that may be the most expensive price of all.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Prison rape can easily be stopped: build a structure where no one can intermix physically. You'd need less guards, it would cost less money... and that's why there isn't one.

Gotta keep the government dollars flowing both to gov-only prisons & to corporate prisons. What a racket: good thing no one's making tons of money just to skim back to gov interests, like judges & police, to make false arrests, to get false convictions to keep payrolls flowing at these corporations to satisfy a board of directors & keep the skim-bribe money flowing.

Right? Right.

Why, if such a thing were to exist, and praise jebus we're all glad it doesn't, sure would be quite the win to be able to put people away without planting evidence. Planting evidence is risky. You'd be way better off having a crime for which no evidence is required to convict.

Wow, I wonder what crime that could be.

[–]TheSov 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

the thing about cases like this is shes been proven to be lying. there is nothing wrong with a law that says if you are proven to be lying about rape, that makes it a sex crime.

[–]ilike2partyhowaboutu 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This would make us take people who claim they were raped more seriously as they know it's illegal to falsely report it.

[–]SenorPuff 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a slippery slope. One of my family members is a public defender. According to them, in cases where the crime is serious, people are more likely to convict, all other things held equal, precisely for this reason. It's self fulfilling.

"Oh, well she wouldn't dare make it up, especially since if she did, she'd go to prison. It's obviously a true accusation."

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[–]TheSKSpecial 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Was there any actual proof this happened? That's kind of an important thing to have when you accuse someone of something.

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[–]TheSKSpecial 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And, yo, if my (hypothetical) 11 year old daughter told me a bunch of dudes raped her, it'd be pretty difficult for me to doubt it even in the throes of anti-evidence.

The problem with that is that you could also end up like the guy who killed a teenage boy in his house because his daughter lied and said she didn't know him.

I'm not saying to assume your (hypothetical) daughter is lying, but you as a father need to also think about that possibility. ESPECIALLY where sex is concerned.

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[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Which is why those laws need to go. Since they won't, in the end, that's why the entire nation / empire needs to go, and it will.

[–][deleted] 71 points72 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Fucking bullshit. Why is his name revealed while hers is not?

[–]ioncloud9 107 points108 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

because she is really really sorry and didnt mean any harm

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, leave her alone, she's suffered enough!

[–]SenorPuff 7 points8 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

The reason defendants are named is because we have a constitutional right to a public, speedy trial. This was intended to prevent secret court proceedings against people. If the government didn't like your best friend, arrested him in secret, tried him in secret, and convicted him in secret (or alternatively, arrested him in secret and held him 'awaiting trial' in secret for several years) there would be no recourse.

The problem is public perception no longer includes the 'innocent until proven guilty' sentiment that our courts do. Case in point: Ray Rice. The law got it right: they were both physical, they need counseling, but nobody is guilty. But public perception says he obviously was more wrong and deserves to be punished, because 'my opinion isn't dictated by [any immovable standard like] the law[because MA FEELZ]!'

The problem here is that while he has the right to face his accuser, a) that only applies in court, and b) the state is the accuser is criminal matters, not the victim (that would be civil court, and there would be public record of her lawsuit in that case).

In my opinion, the problem here is that law enforcement isn't required to be open about their investigation, including those making accusations like these. I would propose that, in the instances of investigating crimes that have already been committed, and when the suspect is in custody(or otherwise non-flight-risk), law enforcement be required to make publicly available all information regarding the case.

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But Ray rice hit a woman! How dare you defend him, you misogynist! His big muscles means he is supposed to have more self control than her! /s

[–]SenorPuff 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's almost word for word what my mother said to me last weekend. Also "why do you hate women?" came up.

I never thought my own mother would be this naïve.

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Don't get me wrong, he didn't need to punch her, and shouldn't ahve, but I find hard to see him as the bad guy in the situation simply because he ended what she started. Yes, he pushed her and spit on her too, but she instigated it. It's easy to work a guy up if you know how. Women are very practiced. I've seen women admit on reddit that they felt a sense if control in doing it. They're both horrible people.

I known its because most people are fucking dumb and go along the cultural line of violence against women bad/violence against men funny (watch any of the videos where they have women be violent in public, other women laugh and say "he was probably cheating" imagine how those same women would act if a man hit his girlfriend for cheating).

This is my problem with feminism. I don't think anyone should feel pressured to conform to gender norms they don't want to. It doesn't work for everyone, and if you can't conform than you shouldn't be made to feel shitty for it. However, feminism is oblivious to anything that isn't female centric. And the current crop of feminism is definitely focused on men being oppressors (ignoring that women are conditioned culturally by other women, not men. Women slut shame far more than men, for instance). Feminists want to knock down the gender norm walls for women, but they fully expect for men to keep towing the line. They get offended whne men being up issues that impact them, yet they claim feminism helps men, too. The truth? Current feminist activist have actually been Demonizing men. Male feminists apologize for their gender. How disgusting is that?

[–]boxzonk1 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

His big muscles means he is supposed to have more self control than her! /s

I agree with your sentiment in general, but I did want to nitpick this point. He should be aware of his unusual strength and reluctant to use it lest he accidentally, oh, I don't know, knock a woman unconscious. Big guys need to be cognizant of that difference, and that what seems like not much force to them, can be a lot of force on another person.

I say this in general. I don't think it really makes sense to pay a guy millions of dollars for exerting his brutish strength like a savage and then expect him to have a cool temper.

The rest of that case is all shenanigans. The NFL could solve all of their public perception disciplinary problems pretty easily: private matters are private and players are innocent until proven guilty. Discipline is not meted out for issues unrelated to the profession. It's the place of the justice system, not the NFL, to decide if Ray Rice or any other player should get to continue to be a productive member of society, and the NFL won't be a party to witch hunts or premature career ruination.

If the NFL adopted that as a hard policy, some SJWs would bitch and moan, reasonable people would accept the reasonable answer, and everyone would move on. The problem is that they make it a mystery every time -- oooh, does the NFL think this one is bad enough for a suspension? etc. etc. It gives people something to talk about. Just put it down and stop being a pussy, Gooddell.

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So, he should have more self control cause he has more muscles? His physical strength means he should have more self control than her? That's absurd to me.

[–]boxzonk1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

It's not really about self-control in general, but yes, someone who is recognized for his unusual strength, like a professional athlete in a strength-centric sport, should be cognizant of the fact that he can cause a lot of damage, just as someone with a gun should be cognizant of the fact that the firearm is very dangerous and should be used very sparingly, and not brought out unless absolutely necessary, even if there is "provocation".

The fact that he knocked her out of consciousness should demonstrate that this was a very dangerous situation. Rice should know he can cause these and restrain himself unless the retaliation is absolutely necessary, regardless of anything related to the other party's behavior. Much given, much required and all that.

It has nothing to do with gender or relationships at this point, it has to do with a massively stronger human knocking out a massively weaker human out, and not having sufficient cause to do so. It doesn't matter if one party is flying off the handle, it doesn't justify physical retaliation unless there is a reasonable belief that real and appreciable harm is imminent. While it may annoying if your girlfriend slaps and spits on you, and in fact may be illegal, since there's not really a serious threat of significant bodily harm, the correct response is not to put her lights out, but to go file a police report if you're that irked by it.

None of this is really relevant though because it's just fantasy about the ideal state of affairs. Rice should be left to civil justice and the NFL should stop trying to please everyone.

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He was in a dangerous situation. He was being attacked, and he knocked her out because she literally ran into his fist. She can't take a punch or defend herself. Had a man of her stature acted the same way, the video would be considered hilarious.

Personally, I see Rice's actions as justice. Any abuser deserves to get theirs, and that abusive piece of shit Janay rice got justice served.

[–]boxzonk2 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

He was in a dangerous situation.

Being slapped and spat upon by a woman isn't dangerous, it's just irritating.

He was being attacked, and he knocked her out because she literally ran into his fist. She can't take a punch or defend herself.

"Being attacked" isn't the standard for self-defense. People are "attacked" by toddlers and children all the time. The standard is the reasonable belief that real bodily harm is imminent.

Had a man of her stature acted the same way, the video would be considered hilarious.

I don't think it would be considered hilarious, I think there'd still be controversy, but I agree the perception would be somewhat different. It doesn't really matter. What matters is that he responded disproportionately. It would've been disproportionate even if it was a random guy, but it was especially disproportionate since he knew the assailant intimately and knew she did not intend to do him serious bodily harm. As far as I know, Rice has never claimed that he felt endangered by the situation, and he has not claimed his actions were legally justified self-defense.

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Being slapped and spat upon by a woman isn't dangerous, it's just irritating.

What? Yes it is. It's dangerous. It can cause harm.

I never called what he did self defense. He has, though (or I read that he had, maybe it was BS). The video evidence clearly shows it's not self defense. He didn't need to punch her, but that doesn't mean I'm going to vilify him. He merely was treating her with the same level of respect she was showing him. It's a mutual thing. It's not like he was war machine.

I get it. There's no taboo about violence against men, so we don't care what Janay rice was doing. If we cared at all about men we would be talking about male victims of violence far more often. We don't though, not unless they're victims of a hate crime.

[–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem is public perception no longer includes the 'innocent until proven guilty' sentiment that our courts do.

No longer? The public never held the sentiment of innocent until proven guilty. That philosophy only applies to the courts, not society. Society has been judging people before being found guilty for ages, heck, even judging them afterwards as well (OJ Simpson)... The public was never intended to hold that ideology, that was reserved only for the courts. If anything, innocent until proven guilty is held in much higher regard today than ever before. Only 50 years ago, blacks were still being lynched before ever seeing a court house.

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note how the innocent and falsely accused guy is named with full name, while the woman who intentionally makes false rape claims remains unnamed.

[–]Azothlike 28 points29 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Their tryst began inside his borrowed Porsche SUV

Lol. Hypergamy in full effect, even with false high school rape accusers. Be what women want -> get fucked for it.

[–]tallwheel 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

'What? This Porsche is borrowed? Fuck you! Rape!'

[–]txroller 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

i would of thrown the bitch a $20, Might have saved him a lot of bullshit

[–]VinylGuy420 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah and with his luck get he'd be convicted of being a John and paying a prostitute.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It sounds like that's what she is.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yet another benefit of my country's laws: you have to prove asking for a sex act. Trading money for time is legal & if sex happens it's not illegal.

[–]nicholmikey 25 points26 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

These stories are terrifying to me, women have the power in a single spiteful sentence to ruin a mans life, and she does not have to fear any repercussion. This is not justice and not fair.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And there's no way to defend against it with alpha-frame.

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It is despicable how a woman can essentially ruin a man's life just because he is automatically assumed guilty. Society ALWAYS takes women side of the story because after being raised my women our entire lives, they've trained us to think of them as the voice of reason. Even if the guy doesn't go to jail, he'll probably still be put into custody or arrested on the spot. Women who do this sort of shit should serve twice the average rape sentence. That way, by the time they get out, they'll be so undesirable that noone would belive any rape accusations of hers ever again.

[–]sidewalkchalked 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Serious question: Is it possible to sue in this situation? For lawyers fees, emotional distress and damage to reputation (future earnings)?

[–]JustTryingToMaintain 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In civil court, sure. One can sue anyone for any reason in civil court.

[–]ModAerobus 47 points48 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I understand that we are not supposed to hate women, but sometimes, it is really, really hard not to.

Women like her should be imprisoned.

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

AWALT, but: Cunt != Women

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[–]Diabolo_Advocato -3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

by feminist, you mean as equal as both genders can get. But i don't keep up with netherlands' gender-politics or its current affairs with gender cases (like this one), so i could be wrong.

Nevertheless, look it up, its one of the most egalitarian countries in the world.

[–]smile_e_face 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

In many cases, "egalitarian" is a byword for "anti-male." The argument goes that men are in a naturally superior position in society, so women need to be raised up to make it more egalitarian, never mind the laws that blatantly favor women over men. I've never been to or studied the Netherlands, but in America, "equal" tends to translate as "pro-women."

[–]DoctorsHateHim 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I live close by and I can tell you, you never hear those fucked up stories from the netherlands. But from the US we hear about them constantly. Take that as you will.

[–]ohsweetword33 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

I'll say it again. Women are taught in the feminist society to fix their problems by falsely crying rape.

The feminist are to blame and should be tried.

[–]sidewalkchalked 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I get your point but trials for ideas might see a bunch of US on trial one day. What really should happen is that the guy should sue her into the stone age. If that's not possible, it should be.

Once it is shown that she willfully lied and used the law to attack him, she should be liable for massive amounts of money. She damaged his future earning potential and almost surely scared him half to death.

[–]MaxV331 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Plus she wasted taxpayer time and money.

[–]DoctorsHateHim 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What's the punishment for filing a false police report? At least give her that.

[–]CRUSHPUSSY_MARRYAMAN 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This shit is going to continue indefinitely until women start receiving the same mandatory minimum sentencing that the guy would have received had he actually raped her. Lock this bitch away and throw out the key for a few years, we'll see how keen she is to make up lies and ruin someone else's life then.

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[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You shouldn't. She tried to ruin a man's life, and partially succeeded.

She deserves to rot on the attempt alone.

[–]midnightny 12 points13 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I once had a girl threaten to tell the police i raped her because i wouldn't give her a ride home. I live in NYC where traffic would have taken about an hour longer than her taking the subway. She said this while we were driving so i did a u-turn and drove her to the police station and called her bluff. She told the cops she was "only joking" and they "let me go". Unreal. The cop knew what was up and he said even though she's fucked up for doing that, that i should pay for a private cab back to her house just so she backs off easily. So i had to shell out 75 bucks for a cab just to "keep her happy". Un-fucking real.
A common argument feminists use is "whats the worst that can happen to a guy on a date? vs what can happen to a girl". Well let's see, he can do prison time for no reason whatsoever? Just be careful who you deal with and i hate to say it but watch who you piss off. All it takes is a few words and you are toast. I got lucky. THESE STORIES HAPPEN MORE OFTEN THAN PEOPLE THINK THEY DO.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There are no extensive studies on the prevalence of false rapes, which is why it goes under the radar. It's fairly common, I'd wager.

Case in point, had a girl falsely accuse me of rape because I got tired of her bullshit. This was way back in my beta days. She got out of a bad breakup with her boyfriend and went a little off the deep end, I was there to emotionally support her. Wasn't even orbiting her, I genuinely wanted to befriend her to ensure she was well. Over time I discovered that she was just faking her symptoms for attention. I eventually got fed up and called her out on it, thinking that we'd just cut contact and be done with it.

Nope. She went to my various friend circles (I introduced her to them) and told them I raped her. Friends that I'd known for years instantly sided with her and cut me off entirely.

I was extremely lucky in that she didn't go to the cops, because when she was pressed she claimed "She wanted to put it behind her so she can move on". I could still be in jail because of that bitch. I never even touched her.

[–]midnightny 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"She wanted to put it behind her so she can move on" I have seen this reasoning used many times over the years whether it be false rape or having a fake miscarriage, or falsely accusing a stepfather of molestation (my h.s. gf did this to her stepdad for attention from her mom). This is used when the person is cornered with the lie and cannot keep up the facade.
Btw how fucking bold and strong of your ex to put that behind her and move on. I'm sorry that happened to you

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[–]IAmTheIlluminatiAMA 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

No, that was smart as fuck. There was no way she could lie her way out of that. He covered his ass. The only other options were to drive her home and still be scared shitless or not drive her home and hope she didn't do it. But if you've ever seen a chick like that not get what she wants you would know she'd probably do it just to get back at the guy.

[–]1independentmale 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I have a dash cam in my car recording audio and video. I'd have pulled over immediately and kicked that bitch out the fucking car. Drive home and make a few copies of the SD card for safe keeping just in case she follows through.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

given the situation I'd put it online immediately. Full global reach of awareness so no one takes that shit credibly.

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[–]IAmTheIlluminatiAMA 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't trust cops either but in this situation I would trust them more a scorned, entitled, lying woman like OP was with.

[–]DoctorsHateHim 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wait... YOU should pay? How about she pays for her own damn transportation? Aren't women supposed to be equal? So.. what, she doesn't have any money because she is a woman? How fucking misogynistic is that, Mr Cop?

[–]midnightny 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

my thoughts exactly. but the funny thing was i don't blame the cop. he was pissed off about it too. he was just saying that for my safety because he said "she could change her mind at any moment and press charges" even though she told them she was joking.
i guess i can make threats to people then when i get brought in for questioning just say "oh it was only a joke".

[–]bigbuzd1 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Charge her wih the same crime he would have punished for, had his innocence not been discovered.

[–]squiremarcus 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

guilty unless she accidentally admits it!

[–]iTomJ 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Does she face any charges then? Like false allegations or anything like that? If not its basically aw man I'll getcha next time!

[–]Roine_Stolt 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can't even rant about this I'm so upset/disturbed. Her punishment should be that she should be made to get up on a podium and publicly admit what she did here to everyone who's ever met either of them. Shame her forever.

[–]goemon45 4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Why are stories like this always in California?

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[–]freedombaldeagle 8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

You described women everywhere. It's the "men" in California that are the problem for not calling them on their bullshit.

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Nah, country girls are a little bit better, because they usually understood the effort that goes into a lot of things.

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[–]JustTryingToMaintain -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

How can you even blame a girl for being "spoiled" <--- whatever the fuck that actually means, if the whole thing about being spoiled is that someone else spoils you. There are spoiled guys too and they are waaay worse than spoiled girls.

Oh, sorry that some girls have family that has taken an active stance in supporting them so they don't have to get involved with jerks and douchebags. It must be tough to know that despite your best efforts you can't hook up with any of the girls you like because they are "spoiled" into thinking they can do better than your lame ass.

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[–]JustTryingToMaintain -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Do you blame your father for the way you turned out?

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, because men are stronger than that, on average. Women, not so much.

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This shit terrifies me. She's not even going to get a legitimate sentence out of this.

Total bullshit. It's only recently police are actually investigating too and not just going onoes woman in distress.

[–]GreenTomatoSauce 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A very similar thing happened to my friend while he studied in the US. He went out with this girl, didn't even have sex and a week later police is interrogating him. Turns out her mother somehow found out she wasn't a virgin anymore and then to find an excuse for that (she was 14 and my friend 16 at the time) she told her mother it was my friend who raped her. Well, he went to jail and was facing an "adult sentence" since it was such an horrendous crime. In the end even the accuser's friend (who was there at the crime scene with my friend's friend) said they didn't have sex that night. He walked away with a 40k lawyer debt for that and even his lawyer told him it was pretty much impossibble to make the girl pay for it.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

which is so crazy because it means not just dating, but even associating with females is life-endangering in that legal environment. You practically have to be a monk, or dedicated to full-time work as soon as it's legal to pay your ticket out of crazyville so you can lead a normal life.

[–]Rainymood_XI 7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Imagine genders being reversed. Male accuses female of rape. First off he would be laughed at from the start. Secondly he would probably be prosecuted for fake charges.

Disgusting America, get your fucking shit together.

Sincerely, Europe

[–]Ulquiorra_Schiffer 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You do know like half of your countries are feminism's bitch, right? I'd rather be in America myself than your shithole.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Whoa... Let's just agree on one thing, the whole of western civilization's been infected with feminism. This isn't a country specific problem. Pro female legislation is mirrored from country to country.

[–]Ulquiorra_Schiffer 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh yeah, I agree. I just wanted to be clear that Europe isn't free from the problems of feminism, which is what he seemed to imply.

[–]Red_Shirt_Blue_Pants 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Id rather be in Europe because Amsterdam

[–]rpmale 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

While true, there are some great countries in Europe.

[–]tindermaster1986 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I hope she gets sued sooooo badly.

[–]Tonguesten 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I felt a vein in my head throbbing as I read this

[–]boffadeeez 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

These fucking stories piss me off so much...I really want these stories to be spread so everyone knows the kind of bullshit women (sometimes) get away with but I get so fucking heated reading them myself...I need an outlet for this anger

[–]DukeHollywood 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Is there a site or a thread that catalogs these outrageous cases? If there was a database of all of them I think it would really help some people understand how common this can be.

[–]FortunateBum 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean, cue witch hunt?

Probably from the theater.

Good story though.

http://grammarist.com/usage/cue-queue/

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=cue

[–]ubiety 5 points5 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Wow - I'm shocked my high school would be front page red pill example, given we've been losing enrollment for the last few years and the odds of a suspected rape is next to impossible. El Molino's demographics are 80% entitled white people, and 20% Latino or other. The West county region itself is dead center in one of the most liberal sections of the country, and the cost of living is too damn high for new families to procreate.

Guerneville happens to have a nasty drug problem and it's easy to extrapolate why an 18 year old would be hanging around a 24 year old. People from my hometown do not grow up, we're liars and extremely naive/sheltered group of kids who'll do anything to get out of punishment from our parents - as a whole we have shitty morals and a sense of entitlement through the roof (do to our affluent/drug induced upbringing). Police in the area are quick to convict and definitely play a large part in big brother mentality for girls, due to my area's extremely high divorce rate.

If anyone wants to know more about my high school or the region in general, shoot me a PM or comment and I'll be happy to explain how things work at home, or how hard TRP was for me to internalize given the mentality I was exposed to on a daily bases.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This woman needs to be made an example of. Throw her and anyone else that does this in a men's prison and she'll learn what rape really is.

[–]JustTryingToMaintain -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow. You are wishing rape on another human to 'teach the cunt a lesson."

Where the fuck was your mother when you were growing up?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She tried to ruin another mans life. What comes around goes around.

[–]Hughtub 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whoever falsely accuses someone of a crime should receive the punishment ordinarily given for that crime.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This woman deserves to be raped at knife point in public

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ 30 points31 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not sure why this got downvoted, if anything it is lenient and the actual punishment should be death. People who blatantly lie to cause others 20+ years in jail should not be allowed to exist, let alone do so as a part of society.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

This type of thing makes me want to punch a hole in a wall

[–]JustTryingToMaintain -3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like you have testosterone poisoning. Do you respond with physical violence often or do you just wish you could?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't actually want to punch a hole in my wall, while that would be pretty cool. I don't think i've ever punched anything when I was angry.

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sounds like you have feminist-poisoning.

Punching a wall is pretty much normal male rage for seeing that we are all at risk of a death-sentence or prison sentence on there mere sayso of a liar.

It means we're already in prison, just some of us aren't right behind the bars yet.

The only solution is to see those liars dead or to abandon-ship on the entire country.

[–]JustTryingToMaintain 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Try Asia, you could be an ESL teacher and get a shot at all of those alleged subservient asian ladies. Surely, the stereotype MUST be true and girls 20 yrs. younger than the guys they date are truly the meek, humble, domestic slaves y'all claim to want.

Oh, and why not take a couple male friends along as well? It will be great, a paradise of petite asian women that are sooo smiley and agreeable. Red pill guys should def give it a try, you don't want to miss out! You should book your plane tickets quickly. I reccomend Shanghai.

[–]Isaiah4verse1 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why women will never be anything close to par with men. It is physically, mentally, and even spiritually impossible for them to produce a modicum of honour and integrity. So, I hope guys will remember this and be proud. A human is separated from the animal kingdom by these virtues. Be honored you are free thinking, empathetic, and and capable of unconditional love and do not think like cattle as women do! Chin up boys!

[–][deleted]  (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrBPmoIAyts#t=97

[–]himan235 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its the plain fact that these cunts are willing to do anything to get out of the trouble. Its just coincidence she was getting screwed past her curfew that led to the ultimate cunt excuse "I was raped". I'm sure if she was with her friends she would claim another outrageous bullshit excuse -If this isnt more proof that women will not give a shit about anyone, throw anyone under the bus to get out of an UNCOMFORTABLE situation, I dont know what more you need. Just watch a woman cause an accident and watch the tears and Penis blaming and the /pussypass EXPECTATION. They have no shame anymore- The Pussy is Entitled and expected to get whatever it wants

[–]kerpow69 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Who the fuck has a curfew at 18?

[–]midnightny 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

a womanchild with paranoid parents. they fly from one nest to another when they find their breadwinner.

[–]Merlunie 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't get how women don't see those and feel ashamed. I mean we have to give them credit, rape is a real thing. Unfortunately, way too many cases turn out like this. How can they be taken seriously?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

LOL

If this was a women in this situation, youd get an uproar from feminists.

But the beta males on sites like this and MGTOW wouldnt give a shit, as far as their concerned, one less male to deal with.

Thats why Mens rights movement is bullshit

[–]Ulquiorra_Schiffer 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's why everything is bullshit. It's better to avoid the system altogether, as it will eventually crumble, whether by direct or indirect intervention.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, there needs to be an active coalition( ie banning trolls) of people who actuallyy give a fuck and are willing to stand outside and protest about mens rights

[–]1oldredder 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That doesn't fix anything.

Only money, power, influence makes those changes.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

a prominent tattoo, and the car he was driving

So he has a tattoo and drives a car, rock solid proof a rape had occured and he was guilty!

When will society accept that false rape claims are not rare isolated events but an epidemic?

[–]midnightny 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

they're filling those prison beds and they are filling them with men. there's no incentive for the system to deter false claims.

[–]Isaiah4verse1 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hope she gets raped by a chick. Lol Strong and independent wimmen strike again.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

At least the comments on the article condemn this woman as well...

[–]Wargame4life 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Someone who can throw someone under the bus like that just for something minor and petty, deserves the absolute worst to happen to them , i genuinely would have no sympathy if she was a victim of a terrible crime in the future.

If you are willing to shaft people Significantly just for tiny inconvenience, i don't care when you end up getting shafted for real

[–]killajoy714 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This man's life and reputation are fucked even though he is clearly innocent. It is scary how a woman can easily destroy your life by making up a completely bullshit story. Lock this crazy girl up so she can't destroy another man's life.

A kid at my high school a few years ago was hit with a false rape charge his freshman year. His reputation is fucked. No man deserves this!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Has a man ever done this? Like ever?

Why do women do this so often? Is it part of the cultural message that women aren't responsible for their actions or life choices?

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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