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[–]trplurker 353 points353 points [recovered]

This book pops up on here every six months or so. I read it awhile back, absolutely great read. She wrote it during her time in the institution from her diary she kept during her "experiment". Against her editors wish's she wrote about her experiences without any modification, meaning she didn't go back and alter / sugar coat her memories to reflect political correctness. She wrote things exactly as she experienced them, often without even knowing what she was writing.

The best part of this book isn't what she says, but what she doesn't. You can actually see her mind starting to crack and the forming of a split personality. Her pseudo male persona, Ned, had started deeply resenting her original female persona and the prejudices it held. "He" started developing self destructive thoughts and tendencies, wanting to punish himself for the attitudes and assumptions he held as Norah. Ned started loathing feminists and to an extent all women. Basically he entered into the "anger" phase after being forcibly fed the red pill.

You can even see her attraction to the strong stoic "alpha" male in the part where she's in a men's support group. That's the phase that really broke her, seeing other men's suffering and then relating to it and entering into a sympathetic mindset. She kinda saw her former self as the pretentious monster it was, and well we all know the kinds of crazy a women's mind enters when it's forced to acknowledge the consequences of their own actions.

[–]waynebradysworld 75 points76 points  (0 children)

You should be endorsed if your opinions are consistently this insightful.

[–]StickyFingazWhitey 15 points16 points  (2 children)

If I didn't have a different book lined up this would be next on my list. Your insight/review made me prioritize this book over a lot of others though.

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[–]Evesest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can't wait to read this masterpiece

[–]TRP VanguardtrpSenator 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Good post. It really sheds light into the solopsic phenomenon where women genuinely think they have it harder than men, until they actually realize what it's like to be a man. Men tend to hold it all inside so it's hard for them to see the stresses and pressures men actually go through. You really can't blame them personally for that, as it's a societal issue.

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[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 74 points75 points  (4 children)

A, Self Made Man, never gets old (seriously, a recommendation should go to the sidebar). I wanted to open a thread with some of the choicest paragraphs, but didn't get so far except one excerpt about dating (post wall) women. Here it is:

[...] But for those women - who had never dated other women, and thus never been romantially hurt by them - men as a subspecies, not the particular men with whom they had been involved, were to blame for the wreck of a relationship and the psychic damage it had done to them.

It's hardly surprising, then, that in this atmosphere, as a single man dating women, I often felt attacked, judged, on the defensive. Whereas with the men I met and befriended as Ned there was a presumption of innocence - that is, you're a good guy until you prove otherwise - with women there was quite often a presumption of guilt: you're a cad like every other guy until you prove otherwise.

"Pass my test and then we'll see if you're worthy of me" was the implicit message coming across the table at me. And this from women who had demonstrably little to offer. "Be lighthearted," they said, though buoyant as lead zeppelins themselves. "Be kind," they insisted in the harshest of tones. "Don't be like others," they implied, while having virtually condemned me as such beforehand.

The bitterest women I met were usually in their midthirties or older. They'd been through the mill a bit and they'd probably had more than their share of hellish dates or hit-and-run relationships before I came along. To hear them tell it, the pool of eligible, mature, stable, reciprocating, emotionally evolved men out there was small and polluted, and having to wade through it when what you wanted most in life was to settle down and start a family would be enough to shorten anyone's fuse.

Then again, many of the women I met weren't emotional giants either, nor were they particularly well adjusted or stable. They just considered themselves as such. And even the ones who knew they were damaged seemed to feel entitled to expect stolidity from a man, as if, in the time-honored way of things, a man is supposed to be strong, to hold things together for a woman, to hold her up when she can't do it herself.

And this coming from a lesbian who happens to be a feminist.

[–]RPSavant 26 points27 points  (1 child)

She just described the Red Pill.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Guess why I quoted exactly these paragraphs?

[–]AdmiralVonJackass 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Her writing is good. Might have to pick it up.

[–]unethical_pirate 159 points160 points  (19 children)

http://youtu.be/Ip7kP_dd6LU

Actually sounds really interesting, I've just ordered her book.

Edit: just had a look at some reviews on Amazon, I normally like to form my own views before doing that. All the 1 star reviews are angry feminists, pissed off that she is empathising and seeing the world from a male prospective. Which is of course the whole point of the book. Pretty funny. I'm looking forward to reading it now.

[–]ThePedanticCynic 118 points119 points  (4 children)

The more a feminist hates something the more i'm willing to bet i'll like it.

[–]Endless_Summer 58 points59 points  (2 children)

Well, they clearly hate the truth, so there's potential.

[–]charlesbukowksi 43 points44 points  (0 children)

women's anger is the weathervane of truth

[–]big_girls_blouse -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Bras.... Feminists hate bras... Which i fully agree with

[–]anonlymouse 18 points19 points  (0 children)

It's a great book. I decided to buy it after seeing her on the Colbert Report. There's a few things that she didn't twig on and still looked at through a female perspective, but for the most part she got it.

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Of course - because then their insane self-centric world view would be challenged and exposed as horseshit. Ignorant people always hate when someone tries to actually shed some light on their beliefs.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

http://www.amazon.com/Self-Made-Man-Womans-Year-Disguised/product-reviews/0143038702/ref=cm_cr_dp_see_all_btm?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#reviews-container?sortBy=recent&reviewerType=all_reviews&formatType=all_formats&filterByStar=one_star

LOL, they basically call her a misogynist and out the women she dated as mentally ill. Also the nice wall of text saying her experiment sucks because she went into it without a strong bias favoring feminism.

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[–]anonlymouse 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Vincent didn't just write a book based on other people's experiences, she actually put her own assumptions and beliefs to the test.

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[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Damn. This was very refreshing to watch. Thanks for sharing. I wish more women saw this.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

I didn't know she'd actually published a book about the experiment. Title?

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's the 3rd to 5th word in the second paragraph of the linked Wikipedia article. You are welcome.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you, I saw the OP contained a YouTube link, so I missed the actual content and presumed that was what he was linking.

[–][deleted] 108 points109 points  (10 children)

Whoops. Looks like we forgot to give her the Patriarchy Membership Card, which unlocks all the perks of being male.

[–]dvrzero 38 points39 points  (4 children)

Oh man free draft beer for life.

Oh wait, draft. Damn that's not beer is it.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

Wat? Draft is better than bottled.

[–]cpnurrenberg 18 points19 points  (2 children)

He's talking about the draft for the military.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Oh. Straight over my head. Lol.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did someone say Miller Draft?

[–]MrOaiki 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I never got my membership :-( My female colleague accused me a couple of times for having gone to "naked men's only sauna meetings" where I had allegedly been talking business with company executives in a way that would gain me as a man. I tried to explain that I hadn't been on any "sauna meetings". Not with anyone at the company for that matter.

[–]squishles 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Should've invited her to the sauna. She's clearly been working a naked sweaty powerful men sauna fantasy, and you're in it :P

[–]Idle_Redditing 2 points3 points  (0 children)

TIL about naked men's only sauna meetings that give men an unfair upper hand in business.

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[–]TigerBloodOfChrist 239 points240 points  (25 children)

This article (cited in the Wikipedia article) goes a little more in-depth and it's very honest and telling:

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Entertainment/story?id=1526982&singlePage=true

Vincent's first act as a newly minted male was to join a quintessential bastion of camaraderie -- a men's bowling team in a working-class Pennsylvania neighborhood. The only problem: She's a terrible bowler. But the men didn't boot her off the team. "It's an amazing thing, because I think that shows you the generosity that they had," she said. Her experience with these men turned some of her long-held perceptions about men being harsh and rejecting and women being warm and welcoming upside down. "I mean, it was just the most wonderful rush to get these guys' handshakes, and I felt comfortable, I mean as comfortable as I could feel, right away. They just took me in ... no questions asked," she said. The team bowled together for nine months and gradually Vincent gained entrance to their inner sanctum. She found that all the cussing and good-natured ribbing is just how men often show affection for one another.


"We don't have to do the part where you cross the room and you go up to a stranger that you've never met in the middle of a room full of people and say the first words. And those first words are so hard to say without sounding like a cheeseball or sounding like a jerk." Vincent encountered some pretty cold shoulders in her attempts at the bar, but she did manage to go on about 30 dates with women as "Ned," mostly arranging them on the Internet. Vincent said the dates were rarely fun and that the pressure of "Ned" having to prove himself was grueling. She was surprised that many women had no interest in a soft, vulnerable man. "My prejudice was that the ideal man is a woman in a man's body. And I learned, no, that's really not. There are a lot of women out there who really want a manly man, and they want his stoicism," she said.

And probably the best of all

"Men are suffering. They have different problems than women have, but they don't have it better," she said. "They need our sympathy. They need our love, and maybe they need each other more than anything else. They need to be together." Ironically, Vincent said, it took experiencing life as a man for her to appreciate being a woman. "I really like being a woman. ... I like it more now because I think it's more of a privilege."

[–]ModAerobus 256 points257 points  (19 children)

"I really like being a woman. ... I like it more now because I think it's more of a privilege."

Maybe women should check their privilege.

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 66 points67 points  (18 children)

I so badly want the entire feminist movement to see this.

[–]foghorn19 78 points78 points [recovered]

As if it would make an iota of difference to their solipsism.

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 19 points20 points  (1 child)

True. They would just tune it out. They can't even here the truth, they are so convinced that they're right.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (9 children)

They would rationalize it away in half a heartbeat.

[–]anonlymouse 22 points23 points  (6 children)

"With all due respect, she's an idiot." -Moderate Feminist

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (5 children)

"With all due respect" is like telling that you're going to take a dump on someone, but it's okay, because you said those magic words "With all due respect".

[–]anonlymouse 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Kinda like "no offense;" I get confused when someone says no offense and then follows with something that's actually not offensive.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I have a problem with the opposite: "No offense ment, but you're an asshole": Oh, but no offense ment, so you can say everything, because it's no offense.

[–]anonlymouse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe she's saying she's attracted to you because you're an asshole? /longshot

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"I'm not a racist, but [insert racist thing here]"

[–]Xzal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You mean hamster it away. Anyway thanks OP for bringing this to light, its actually given me a good smile to see examples of women 'getting' it.

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"rationalize" here meaning "obscene vitriolic rant"

[–]whitey_male 7 points8 points  (1 child)

They couldn't give a fuck. They're just out for more money. Being able to divorce rape a guy, and having far easier white collar jobs that pay the same as STEM isn't enough for them.

[–]zephyrprime 3 points4 points  (1 child)

They pretty much DID see it when the book first came out because it made quite a splash. They wrote off Vincent and exiled her from the feminist movement.

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That would explain why hardly anybody's ever heard of it. I should just email the head of the social studies department of the school I went to and ask why this book isn't in the curriculum but a ton of extreme-feminist left-wing insanity trash is. Bet I don't get an answer.

[–]through_a_ways 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I think it's more of a privilege.

WE GOT A RUNNER! SHUT IT DOWN!

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Boooommmm baby!!! I love being a dude.. Bring on the shit!

[–][deleted] 71 points72 points  (9 children)

I've seen feminists comment on this book with stuff like "She's just one woman and doesn't count" or "She hung out with guys who were creeps/losers that don't represent men"

:/

[–]SenorPuff 100 points100 points [recovered]

So she spent time with what amounts to 80%+ of all men. Creep and loser is guaranteed to mean any guy who is not found to be attractive and dares to exist in such a way that a woman notices him.

[–]mrsmithwenttotown 52 points53 points  (0 children)

dares to exist in such a way that a woman notices him

wow. what a wonderful way to say it.

[–]ITHOUGHTYOUMENTWEAST 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Guys, get this. Crazy idea but... It's almost as if... to women, there's like... A peak for quality of men, say something like... 20%?

Like, they only ever pay attention to that part, and most other men are invisible... Let's call it something like... Hypergamy?

No no no... That would be insane!

[–]4io8 17 points17 points [recovered]

Alpha goggles / Beta filter

The tendency of women to think that beta men do not exist. To be unable to perceive beta's even when they are friends with them. To only see alpha men, and hence think all men are alpha's.

Eg:

"where are all the good men?"

"She hung out with guys who were creeps/losers that don't represent men"

edit: Actually that does sound better

[–]87GNX 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Shouldn't this be alpha goggles?

[–]zephyrprime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The vast majority of all the people in the world (or nation) are LOSERS. We can't all be winners. For every winner, there are numerous also-rans who are the losers of the world. The feminists just can't get their heads out of their asses long enough to how strong their apex fallacy is.

[–]scum101 32 points33 points  (19 children)

A man doing the same thing would be a great trp experiment. Just like women about men, we have a lot of assumptions on what it is like to be a woman. But actual knowledge from first hand experience would be an invaluable tool.

Imagine a woman reading that book and using what she has learned to fulfill her needs. Now imagine what you could do with that kind of information.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 22 points23 points  (3 children)

Easy, just pose online as a woman. It's retarded, it even works in an environment where your actual gender isn't clear, like an MMO.

A friend of mine played a female Elf in WoW and was dumbfunded how much more considerate strangers treated him despite him never actually saying whether he was male or female in real life. Of course one may argue that gaming nerds are the worst when it comes to showering women with attention, but don't forget guys like that also exist in real life. And now imagine how things would be if you were an actual woman.

(though I guess the constant being hit on when you know that you are weaker than 98% of all guys who approach you and could easily be forced into compliance in a lawless setting can both get on your nerves and be quite stressful at the same time)

[–]AdmiralVonJackass 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I did this back in the infancy of MMOs. I got a free trial for everquest and made a female character. Back then people were naive and thought female = female. A group of regulars started hanging around me, eager to give advice. There was a gerenal atmosphere of enthusiasm.

I can see why women enjoy having orbiters, it is like being a mini celebrity.

[–]MustangGuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A friend of mine played a female Elf in WoW and was dumbfunded how much more considerate strangers treated him despite him never actually saying whether he was male or female in real life.

This is very true. I just finished leveling a female BE Pally to 90 and the amount of times I received unsolicited "help" and was followed by other people was crazy. Before leveling the Pally I leveled a male Undead Lock to 90 and received no unwanted help.

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you know that you are weaker than 98% of all guys who approach you and could easily be forced into compliance in a lawless setting

Damn, good thing we dont know what thats like being a pretty female in America!

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[–]kawanami 15 points16 points  (10 children)

But no one believes they're actually women... trannies look like trannies.

[–]cbarrett1989 14 points15 points  (7 children)

Couple friends of mine are trannies and they are easily day walkers. Like "can't tell the difference" level.

[–]big_girls_blouse 12 points13 points  (0 children)

in thailand.... Girls here are sometimes jealous of the ladyboys for being too hot.

[–]kawanami 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Sure but what about when they open their mouth? Do you really think a male trannie can look, speak, act convincingly like a woman?

[–]4io8 14 points14 points [recovered]

Asian ones can. I have seen plenty that are literally more attractive than most woman.

[–]squishles 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They have voice training, and don't underestimate what someone can emulate when they want it enough were removing their dick sounds like a pretty sweet deal.

[–]IrateMollusk 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I've met a couple who look and sound like women, one I met sounded like a chronic smoker until he wanted to sound like a woman and then he could've been a gloriously well trafficked phone sex worker, it was trippy.

[–]cbarrett1989 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some can and do pass 100% as a woman.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Check out Nong Poy: https://imgur.com/EoqdRSJ

[–]scum101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Im not talking about liking or disliking it, im talking of making an experiment of what it is like to live as the other gender. Then write a book about it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The problem with this is it's hard for a man to pass a woman. The best you'd get is people thinking you are a 'tranny.'

[–]razometer 51 points52 points  (2 children)

Looks like the hamster got off the wheel.

[–]Deano101 2 points3 points  (1 child)

[–]Rougepellet 20 points21 points  (2 children)

I feel that with men, they suffer silently because they don't want to burden anyone with their own shit (at least it's this way for me). Women NEED people to lean on though, that's why they go in herds or look for a strong man who can deal with his and her shit.

[–]a_tes_soulhaits 15 points16 points  (0 children)

You aren't allowed to be a burden as man.

[–]Doctor_Mayhem 187 points188 points  (13 children)

Well... there you have it. The reason that females can't empathize with us is because if they spent even a small amount of time walking a mile in our shoes, they'd go insane.

In the words of one of the Manosphere's greatest commenters... lolzozlozlozlzolzozlozlzolzolzozlzlozlzlzlozlolozlozlozlozlozlzolzozlozzlzlzlozlozlozozolzlolzozlololzolzolzozlozlozlzolzozolzozlzozzzozozozlolololz

[–]ADrunkenmonkey 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Somewhat unrelated but what's the go with that 'greatbooks4greatmen' person. I always thought it was a troll to make it seem like users were retarded.

[–]BCFtrip 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Reverse troll. "Accidentally" making good points while acting retarded

[–]n4cer126 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It sure seems that way but once you get used to the guy you see that he is actually quite an insightful cat but he is an acquired taste

[–]87GNX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There exists a level of philosophy that is so deep, so core to human existence, that it can only be expressed through the vernacular of a 13-year-old girl's texts.

The feminine butthext matrix has you. LOZZLOZLOLZLOLZZLOZOZZZZ

[–]sir_wankalot_here 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Smart woman sucker stupid men into promoting her book

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (8 children)

Did she have anything to say about work? My experience is that men at work have higher expectations; it would be interested to see if she noted a change in work place treatment instead of man retreats, bowling, and the cloister.

[–]anonlymouse 8 points9 points  (7 children)

In the book she does. She picked a male dominated field (commission based sales).

[–]1lucifa 1 point2 points  (1 child)

male dominated field (commission based sales)

Didn't know this was predominantly a male field. It's one area I've noticed women to be quite strong in, depends on the industry but they're good at reeling men into a sale through being personal. Even as a warehouse manager, 75% of sales pitches I get for general work equipment is from women.

[–]anonlymouse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You'll see women doing jobs which are wages + commission, but they're quite rare when it's 100% commission.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

And how did that go? Are my assumptions well founded?

[–]anonlymouse 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No, but that's because it's not the type of job where you could make that type of comparison, the workplace harassment stuff that feminists usually complain about would be a non-issue because you spend very little time with coworkers, and when you do it's for a pep-talk. She just talked about her experience, and it reflected what I found doing that kind of work.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

So not really, no. It would have been interesting for her to do REAL men's work. (in the sense that no women do it) Like construction, or garbage collector, or something along those lines.

[–]anonlymouse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've got a female friend who did construction work. 100% male rounded to 3 sig figs doesn't mean no women do it. She was a pro-MMA fighter previously though, so she was a significant outlier. You can't expect a woman, with a normal woman's body, to do work that requires the musculature of a man for this kind of project - it would have ended on day 1 with a workplace injury.

[–]vpwnz 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Bought the book, fantastic read. I recommend it. Norah is one intelligent cookie.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (14 children)

I think most women would find this the same.

As a female their life is ironed out, if their personality or humour isn't that great they get given a pass on it. They get cheered for even the most minor of compliments.

Men don't get these things. We are shaped in battle and forced to improve.

[–]dman8 17 points18 points  (12 children)

As a female their life is ironed out, if their personality or humour isn't that great they get given a pass on it.

That only really counts for attractive and average women. Uglies and fatties are basically treated like guys from what I've seen. A land whale with a shit personality is disliked by everyone. The only pass they get is the ability to get laid at 2am whenever they feel like by someone that's going to never call.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

They're treated like men, and they HATE IT, so they "want to be treated like equals" aka treated like men, so they turn into feminists. Stupid fucking cunts.

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[–]anonlymouse -3 points-2 points  (9 children)

Not really. They're being fed misinformation about what they should eat to stay fit. Interesting thing is Asians in North America have much lower obesity rates - they also tend to ignore advice on eating healthy and eat what they've always eaten, despite the fact that it's supposed to be horrible.

You've got fat people who do cardio for a couple hours every day at the gym, eat lots of fruits and veggies, and have a low fat diet and get absolutely nowhere. They're putting effort in, but it's the wrong effort because they've been given the wrong information.

Europeans are much better off, the only health food that exists here is organic food. Otherwise it's the same as what you'd otherwise eat, and organic food is basically just the food that we were eating up to 60 years ago.

Fat shaming also screws them up, because the only way they get any acceptance is if they're obviously making the "right" effort, so they're afraid to switch from the diet and exercise plan that they're told will work, because if progress is remotely slow, they'll get harassed. Leave them alone and they'd have the opportunity to experiment with some less approved diets (but ones that obviously work well in other parts of the world) and actually make some progress.

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[–]Captain_Unremarkable[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Attractive woman's fb profile:

105 likes, Ommmggggg giiiiirrrllllff you're so gorgeous & I'm obsessed with you!

Attractive man's fb profile:

20 likes (at most), Douche ;)

[–]uriahsw 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I read this book before. It's very fascinating and was quite insightful. It's mostly written in a storytelling tone, so it's not like a rigorous study akin to A Billion Wicked Thoughts, but it's very insightful none the less.

[–]fuckingkike 29 points30 points  (9 children)

Shouldn't be that surprising since trans women outnumber trans men by around 3:1 even though there's about as many genderqueer men as genderqueer women.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (0 children)

What the fuck are these words?

[–]anonlymouse 19 points20 points  (7 children)

And trans women make up the bulk of 'transphobia' victims (I put it in scare quotes because they're actually victims of misandry). Trans men rarely state that they feel unsafe, but they're always worried for their TW friends.

[–]TK-85 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, thanks for posting this. I'm pretty tempted to read Voluntary Madness just to see what parts of being a man drove her into the hospitals and why.

[–]whitey_male 6 points7 points  (0 children)

But patriarchy! All men are a part of the elite, the Illuminati, the Rothchilds, and we make $1m a second and have sex with a different 18 year old every day.

[–]he-man_rules 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Very good on her to do that. Many feminists wouldn't even consider doing this, let alone doing it for 18 months.!

[–]anonlymouse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Let's just go with all, since she's the only one who has done it.

[–]cloverhaze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think she used depression as an excuse to do research on mental health institutions and write another book

[–]timthetollman -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I think she got depressed from the stress of being something she's not more so than actually being a man.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

i thought i would never see this sentiment. i doubt a man disguising himself as a women would come out too whole either.

[–]vvanderbilt -1 points0 points  (0 children)

She's sort of a neocon IIRC

[–]zephyrprime -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I read that book. It's too bad she just isn't very good of a writer and not very insightful either because the experiment she undertook was absolutely priceless and if only she had been a better writer it could have maybe have had a bigger impact on the literary world than it did.

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