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You'll often hear women say a variety of disingenuous things about what a man needs to do or be in order to get a woman.

Caring, supportive, sensitive, smart, non-judgmental, "can handle my sarcastic nature! derp!", etc.

Well actually these are all wishful thinking, first of all. It's the hamster convincing herself that she really DOES value these morally good things.

And indeed, no one is against support or care. No one hates a caring human. But the reality is that these factors simply aren't valued either. They're irrelevant to whether or not you get sex.

What you do is you use the Garbage Man Test™: Would these things still apply if the man was a garbage collector (any type of low value man).

If the answer to that test is no, then she's full of shit.

The reality is that women don't go after garbage men at the expense of higher value men because he was "sensitive, caring and supportive!".

No, these are accessory factors that they require for their beta bucks. On the other hand, they will hamster away the apparent absence of these factors for their alpha fucks. In other words, they will come up with alternate explanations as to why they fucked the non-supportive, insensitive, aloof, no bullshit alpha.

Examples: "Oh, I never go after these types of guys!" (except she just did). Or they will try to romanticize the fact that she is inconsistent: "He's totally not my type! It was so strange it just happened!" (this allows her to distance herself away from her actions).

So just remember the Garbage Man Test™. The bullshit you hear some chicks spout about their ideal man only applies if the man is already high enough value in her mind.


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[–]the10thrider 312 points313 points  (44 children) | Copy Link

Garbage men, heavy mechanics, works construction, plumbing, power; the invisible percentage of all men who keep our modern civilization going but very little thanks from those that benefit from it.

[–]JudgeRedPill 92 points93 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

So... pretty much any physically demanding, mostly male job that 99.999% of women wouldn't do?

[–]Mikay55 125 points126 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

We women demand equal job opportunities!... Just not those ones.

[–]Johnny10toes 36 points37 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

My wife said it the other day outloud when we got on a discussion about minimum wage. I moved the topic to wage gap and the jobs women are taking. "We want equal pay for less work." She is a stay at home mom.

[–]downvote_heaven23 points24 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

The wage gap is a myth. Women now earn more than guys, and are generally more highly educated. This doesn't even count the externality supplements of being a woman, such as guys buying you dinner and a movie, a ring, a house, or etc.

Men are being disenfranchised and they have no one to blame but themselves. Also the swinging pendulum of "equality." I guess there's that too.

[–]RedPill115 10 points11 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

That's a good point I hadn't thought about about the perks of being a woman. Coworker bought his daughter a car for college. Not buying one for his son. Same thing outside the family - girls can often drink for "free" at the bar. "ladies night". Etc.

Thomas Sowell was saying the "wage gap" was bunk in 1980 when feminists were making exactly the same argument: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_sGn6PdmIo&feature=youtu.be&t=2m19s

[–]downvote_heaven8 points9 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

It has been this way for some time now. I started reading articles about it many years ago. Of course it is not this way in many countries and across the board. But in first world countries? You betcha. I did some research and found that the main factor driving down the average income of women is black, single, unemployed mothers, by far. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129584041

[–]CrayolaS7 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

The wage/earnings gap isn't a myth in that it does still exist to some extent. It's a myth that it is due to "sexism" or unequal pay for equal work. Nowadays it's mostly due to the jobs women choose being less dangerous/easier than men and women choosing greater flexibility over higher pay. There's also factors like women taking time off of work in their 20s to 30s which limits their career progression and so their lifetime earnings are still lower on average, but for equal work they are usually paid fairly. The solution to this is to make parental leave more accessible for men and women so that more men stay at home with kids and women can return to work sooner. Then in the white-collar world there's the factors that are harder to quantify like women not being as forward with asking for raises/higher starting salary when they are head-hunted.

[–]downvote_heaven0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

No I mean what you are projecting is still a myth. What I say is patently true for all working women. It is also true for non-working women. They simply get more in government help. Moreover, they now make considerably more for equal work, if they do work. Period. I actually researched this quite a bit and will have to dig up some of my old articles I guess.

[–]RedPill115 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

The wage/earnings gap isn't a myth in that it does still exist to some extent. It's a myth that it is due to "sexism" or unequal pay for equal work. Nowadays it's mostly due to the jobs women choose being less dangerous/easier than men and women choosing greater flexibility over higher pay.

This is what people are referring to with the idea of the wage gap though - the idea that it's because of sexism or "discrimination".

Even in your interpretation, to "solve" this problem women would have to start taking more dangerous/harder jobs than they do now, yes? And that's where it becomes absurd - is it more or less "oppressive" to give women more money but to put them into more dangerous jobs and increase their level of danger overall? The guys who are the most successful are rich, but the guys who are the least successful end up homeless. Is that ok to happen to women? I mean that would actually be equality, when those rates are the same.

There's also the topic of if the inherent assumption that more hours + more money == less oppressive...

[–]RedPill115 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting, thanks for the link, hadn't seen that one before.

[–]3Ill_mumble_that 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you can become a man with a shit-ton of charisma you too can get this special treatment from everyone you meet. It will require confidence, balls, and an aloofness that makes people believe you are outcome dependent but that you also care about them.

I'm not sure how to explain it, I use it to my advantage all the time. Got free cars, free computers, free phones, free meals, women buy me things all the time. Men do the same thing for me, but I try to return the favor for them as they tend to keep track compared to women which seem to have short term memories regarding that.

I never ask for things but instead just show interest in someone and what they are doing. Most people get so excited someone is interested in them that they want to reciprocate by giving gifts. But here's the thing, I'm not doing it to manipulate people, I am genuinely and deeply interested in everyone that I talk to, or else I wouldn't waste my time talking to them.

[–]RedPill115 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol, yeah, but why is it that men keep track while women have only short term memories?

It's because it's a daily occurance for women, while it's a rarity for men. Whether you're talking about someone giving them gifts, or showing interest in them.

When I started social dancing, I remembered every girl I danced with. After a while, I only remembered the people who I danced with where it was particularly good or bad. Now I've been doing it for years, I danced with a girl on Sunday and ran into a similar looking girl the next day on Monday and I wasn't sure if it was the same girl or not. It happens so often to me now that my brain just doesn't keep it straight, unless the girl really stands out or I have a particular interest in her (or I've interacted with her several times).

It's a generalization, nothing wrong with pointing out that it's not 100% true, there are always exceptions. I'm sure Fabio used to get more gifts back in the day then say, an ugly woman with an abrasive personality.

But women find it a lot easier to get that kind of treatment without as much effort than men do, on the whole.

[–]Gunnilingus 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Throw in paid maternity leave and the "I have to leave early to pick up my kid from school" phenomenon and they are really getting the long end of the stick

[–]Bodegaz 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wanna feel like a man? Move to Afghanistan.

[–]aleemarshad 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But hey she said aloud what most women (sub)consciously want/think... so in that sense you've got an honest woman there imo

[–][deleted] 124 points125 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

They get thanked with a paycheck.

[–]the10thrider 72 points73 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

For some of my plumber clients, they get thanked verrrry well. Lots of demand, little supply. What to make six figures? Start a successful plumbing contracting business.

[–]NillaThunda 21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I thank my dad for this one everyday.

[–]xyzeche 18 points19 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You forget hot sex from milfs

[–]anttyk47 14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You're watching too much porn and anyone upvoting this is as well

[–]Heizenbrg 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Living in NY I've come to hate contractors, especially the chimneymen.

[–]3Ill_mumble_that 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]trpalternate 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Garbagemen in my city get thanked pretty well.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

An English friend once told me "Where there's muck, there's brass" ie money.

[–]sicksackofshit 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Would these things still apply if the man was a garbage collector (any type of low value man)

I disagree with this sentiment. Garbage men can actually make pretty good money and stay in shape on the job.

[–]gprime312 16 points17 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but they have low social value. Who proudly reports that they're a sanitation worker?

[–]greatGoD67 28 points29 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The guy driving a nicer car than the cubicle worker talking down to him.

[–]Transmigratory 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

By social value I thinks he means what women will want to brag about.

Women operate on very archaic mechanisms this way.

[–]Gunnilingus 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I thank them with my taxes

[–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 27 points28 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

As soon as I read the title, I knew this one was coming. But understand this, this isn't an insult on you. Any more than being short is an insult on short people.

It is just what the market incentivizes. Sometimes more than the qualities that we'd think would be valued.

I can see you have pride in your profession(and why not, you should. No sycophancy here; You are one of the men who are essential to civilization)... but tell me, for women, is your profession a disadvantage for you or isn't it?

Can you proclaim it proudly? Or do you hide it? And if you don't do either, have you come to expect it to filter women out over time?

We can say that "not everything is about women" or that it helps us avoid the shallow people. But everyone is shallow. And we are talking about women here specifically.

[–]fiat_lux_ 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The market is different in the USA. OP is posting from Korea, iirc. The unemployment rate is under 3% there and garbage men are looked down there more than they are in North America. Most people assume that if you're a garbage man, you want to be someone else but failed.

The equivalent in NA would be a NEET living on their parent's dime. In NA, garbage men are actually paid well enough and people generally accept the idea that, "it's a job, pays well, and someone's gotta do it."

[–]switchme808 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd say most people in NA still associate "Garbage man" with "minimum wage janitor" and don't realize the actual compensation that garbage men receive. They see the job of handling stinky smelly trash and it is immediately repulsive to them because it is something they are not willing to do themselves.

[–]Surf_Or_Die 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That is true. In a perfect world surgeons would be treated like rock stars and Nicki Minaj would be asking me if I'd like fries with my order. We don't live in that world.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Can't tell if this is levity or not, but out here, working for Waste Management is a proper career with pension, benefits Ect. I know college grads making less than garbage men.

[–]16 TRP VanguardTRPsubmitter[S] 34 points35 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

working for Waste Management is a proper career with pension, benefits Ect. I know college grads making less than garbage men.

You don't have to tell guys here that. I'm not actually dogging on garbage men as a job, as I see a lot of guys "defending" and taking issue with the garbage man thing.

The point is that the "image" of construction workers, garbage men (the men who keep society running) is not good in the Sexual Marketplace™ (aka as viewed by women). It has nothing to do with the fact they are fathers who bring food to the table, which is highly respectable.

That's my point: you can't negotiate attraction. And you can't negotiate with women that "hey you really should like this garbage man with a pension and retirement benefits over the part-time DJ at the club who will quit in 6 months". Logic doesn't come into play here unfortunately.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Man you are drinking the koolaid if you think girls aren't attracted to a tradesman more than some fag who programs phone apps

[–]JudgeRedPill 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They have my respect and I went to law school. That shit is really fuckkng hard and they deserve every penny they get.

[–]Dubsland12 43 points44 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

thank you for your service sir.

[–]liquidify 26 points27 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

More applicable than when said to most military men.

[–]Saturnalia93 42 points43 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Idk, this guy prevents disease and garbage from flooding the streets, I think that's more valuable to me personally than fucking around in the Middle East.

[–]nrjk -1 points0 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Yeah there really hasn't been a noble war in this country since WWII. The only reason to thank a vet is because of the shitty conditions the US Government puts them through, not because they're doing much to actually protect freedom. Their service and skills would be way more valuable back over here, and cheaper on the budget.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Noble war

Every war is about influence, resources and national interests.

[–]Jar_of_apples 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

That doesn't mean it can't be noble. Fighting to protect your tribe, or better your people would fall under noble to me.

[–]nrjk -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Very true, and by that rubric my statement still stands. Had Britain fallen to the Nazi's others would have fallen fast after that being as Britain was the only one really holding them off until the US stepped in.

Most wars since then have been primarily in the interests of the highest, most selfish elite. Kuwait threatened our oil supply, for instance. And Saddam basically was doing what Putin is doing now with Crimea. Others have been the result of treaties and UN resolutions that required the US to shoulder much of the responsibility-somewhat because of our ass kickery from WWII.

Unless a country is committing genocide and as long as countries offer to help then we should let them fight their shit out. In other words, others countries should stop using the US's military might as welfare...which is actually a traditionally conservative idea. It is liberals who think using big daddy government to fix all the tiny little problems everywhere and the same holds true of our military adventures.

[–]markasstrick123 -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

We should thank them for their combat skills. Guys that were in the military are more useful in general. What they and the government do overseas is bullshit but you want a marine or SEAL on your side in a conflict.

[–]3Ill_mumble_that 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Meh I don't get the whole support your veterans thing.

It's a career. They chose it. They get paid for it. Nobody forced them to.

Now on the other hand, if there was a draft, I'd be the first one out on the line supporting our troops that are forced into battle.

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

It would be hilarious if garbage men went on strike nationwide. Let everyone else bathe in garbage for a while and see if they ever dare disrespect the trade again.

[–]chadeusmaximus 27 points28 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This happened here in Seattle a few years ago. The strike lasted a week before the city caved.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, no, no, no, no! No, it fucking wouldn't. Just ask Toronto.

[–]Mattpilf 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If memory serves me right, Italy had this, I think they sent in the military to clean the streets.

[–]graffiti81 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

As a person who isn't an idiot, thanks for doing an incredibly important yet completely under-appreciated job.

[–]g_gggg 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I was wondering after I read the post if a garbage man would show up.

So I guess the question is, do you think women find your profession unattractive?

At the end of the day, women will dump a professional athlete making 7 figures for a better athlete making 8 figures. So we're all somewhere below that, including a garbage man. So I don't think the post is necessarily insulting to your profession beyond implying that it's super low on the desirable scale, which I disagree with. I have to think that some minimum wage, part-time nanny or pussy job would be the worst. You'd make no money, have no respect from your peers, and not even be manly.

[–]nrjk 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The chart posted a few days ago had kindergarten and early childhood care at 2.8% of men in it. That might be the lowest...or those few guys pullin' tail left and right.

On the other end was boilermaker at 99.8% men. Manly as fuck. It also says to me that men are more willing to go into a female dominated career than the other way around.

Why? Because groups of men are really mean and sexist while groups of women are never catty or hiveminded. Riiiight.

[–]Dechs 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't know if you care, but I've met my fair share of women who only go after men who do physical labour. Worst example: She "What do you do?" Me "I'm an engineer" She walks away without saying anything.

[–]1Snivellious 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let her find that out after she sees that you're in better shape, better with you hands, and a higher earner than all the beta desk jockeys she meets (because you probably are). The great thing about the hamster is that it works both ways - if she pegs you as alpha, she'll do all the work of making your job seem awesome for you.

[–]Keninishna 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I heard some garbage collectors in NYC get paid upwards of 100k a year with overtime.

[–]Hoodwink 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A better job to compare would be "Walmart Associate or Retail/Fast Food Manager".

Garbage man has beta appeal (dependable job) and a traditionally masculine appeal with a little bit of physical fitness requirements. Definitely not huge, but it reaches towards something.

The associate would combine low status, pay, security, and no physical requirements.

[–]wurding 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i dont think he was having a dig at your profession man

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is that why my trash is never picked up? Your dumb ass is always on reddit?

[–]arhombus 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

On dirty jobs, like all the people who worked at the sanitation department had been working for 20+ years.

You're like Derek Jeter dude.

[–]WoahScienceCool 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As an oilfield grunt worker myself, you have my thanks and appreciation x1000.

Its ironic too, because I make double, if not triple, of what the vast majority of these so-called "respectable" college grads make- with 0 debt. And I get a full week off every two weeks too! Yep, I must be the dumb one, right?

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Money and status is overrated in this sub. if you want to go to the bar or nightclub or wherever to meet a woman all that matters is how good looking you are and how good your game is. they don't give a shit how smart or successful you are.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'll call your raise. Next time you go to a club, approach five women and in the first three to five minutes, mention you are a garbage man, then come back and report.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Two thoughts:

First, how about I don't mention what I do at all, or I lie? To keep the woman around as a plate you gotta have some attributes like money and status, but to just go back to her place/bring her back to yours, you gotta be good looking and have game.

Second, if someone was jacked enough and had enough game, they could without a doubt tell a chick he's a garbage man and still rail her by the end of the night. They don't give a shit. Only when a chick wants to be in a LTR will that kind of stuff matter

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is however not what my post was about. If you think you can play the game without the status and money and still make it work, then all praise to you. Call it an academic exercise - a man learns something new every day.

The gauntlet's still on the ground.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Pro tip: you won't find worthwhile girls in nightclubs or bars. Want to keep running into women like OP described? Go to bars. Want to find women who value intelligence? Go to a coffee shop. Or a bike shop. Or a shop of any hobby you enjoy. Anywhere but a bar. If you only go to bars to pick up women, you're going to think we're all like OP described. As it is, most women do suck. But a good way to avoid the suckiest of the sucks is to not pick up women at bars.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

lol a woman who values intelligence as a primary trait? nope. intelligence is only icing on the cake for women. she has to be attracted to you already for her to give two shits about intelligence. bars, coffee shops, bike shops, it doesn't matter. this is true for all women everywhere.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No it's not. You're speaking to a woman who values intelligence over looks. A smart man can be very attractive to me, even if he has physical traits that a younger me would not have found sexy. Stop generalizing women. Some of us have brains, just there aren't many who do.

Going to a bar takes zero brain power and therefore you will find only women who want to have fun without thinking when you go to bars. Go to somewhere else, a store of a hobby that takes brain power and you will find women who think for themselves. You will never, ever find an intelligent woman at a bar. Never. We don't go to bars. If you look dig thru a pile of dog shit looking forgold, you will always be disappointed. So stop digging they dog shit expecting to find something nice. It'll never happen. Branch out. There's lots of shitty women out there, more shitty women than not. But the good ones so exist, the ones who think intelligence is sexy. You just need to get over your pride and look for them outside of bars. It blows my mind that any of you think you'll ever find a worthwhile woman at a bar. 99.9% of the women at bars are utterly useless fuck holes. Hat 0.01% was dragged there by people she doubts are even her friends. 0.01% is a very small percent. Not enough to go around, so go look for them somewhere else.

[–]Moolg86 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

bruh you could've been a doctor 4 times within that time

[–]timmense -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I get the point that op is trying to make that women aren't attracted to low value men regardless whether they have qualities suited to being a good father figure or protector of the family.

He chose a profession associated with something of low value but the point could have been made equally well by substituting garbage man with vagrant. Perhaps the vagrant test would be more agreeable.

[–]eagleclaw457 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah seriously. I know some garbage men that make bank.

[–]markasstrick123 -3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They get paid more than teachers. Garbage men are pretty nice too. But not nice as in a nice guy cause then I would call garbage men faggots

[–][deleted] 108 points109 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

True. Hypothetically, if some tall, rich, muscular dude was a garbage man, they would still fuck him.

[–]throwbp 37 points38 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And brag about how he is saving the planet, one trash bin at a time..

[–]topspeedj 63 points64 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

And if it were his passion to be the world's best goddamn garbage man, all power to him.

[–]incraved 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I really find the term "garbage man" funny. It's like spider man.

[–]3Ill_mumble_that 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Idle_Redditing 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Georges St Pierre was a garbageman before he started to get famous and no longer needed a regular job to pay the bills.

[–]charlie_bodango 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That probably partly explains why he's such a cool dude.

[–]easyrandomguy 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

i doubt that...

[–]∞ Mod | TRP Vanguardbsutansalt 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, women would fuck him at the drop of the hat, but he'd be hard pressed to get any of them to see him as a long-term prospect. Instead ol' nerdy reliable Poindexter with a white collar job will get the run around, take her out on dates, and she'll be calling up Mr Muscular Garbage Man/Bartender/drug dealer to pound her out later that night. Only after a few months will she finally give up token sex to Mr Reliable who she's made into her beta bucks. I've seen this so many times it's not even funny, including being both guys at different stages of my life.

[–]Transmigratory 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He's talking about LTRs or dating, IIRC.

I've always thought what a woman would choose to fuck is always different to what she wants to date. At least, that's the impression I got since being part of this community.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 74 points75 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yep, women are terrible at giving relationship advice for this reason. They describe the things they want (or rather, think they want) in a man they are already attracted to. What she doesn't know or doesn't want to admit are the elements that first generated her arousal. She doesn't understand her own attraction principles, how could she possibly help you with yours?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Listing all the "good" things a man should be also makes her look like she's not a total slut. It keeps creepy men at bay.

[–]Syn3rgetic 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Quote of the year. So very well breaks down the female psyche.

[–]markasstrick123 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Basically, be hawt then personality matters

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Look like a Greek God, have some scratch, and feed the hamster talking points. Case closed.

[–]Beast66 48 points49 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Interestingly enough, garbage men, or "sanitation engineers" can make over 100k a year because their job is so undesirable.

[–]zephyrprime 17 points18 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Yes, it's true. A lot of undesirable jobs actually make good pay. Ever pay a plumber for a hour of their time? $$$.

[–]markasstrick123 14 points15 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Step dad was a plumber and a welder. Can confirm, we lived good.

[–]oxymorphone 3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I'm a welder and I make considerably more than almost everyone I know with college degrees...and I haven't even done pipeline work yet.

[–]markasstrick123 7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I remember when my step dad was welding underwater and some girl in class laughed at my parents profession. My mother is a nurse and my father is a welder. That's big money right there. What did hers do? Both high school teachers. They didn't make half what my parents do. Lol women

[–]oxymorphone 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Underwater welding pays ridiculously well...they make as much as surgeons.

Angry drunken edit: I would be surprised if her parents even made a respectable fraction of what your stepfather did

[–]markasstrick123 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Together maybe 50k. I never knew exactly, but how much do they make?

[–]oxymorphone 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Depending on how much they want to work, it could be anywhere from 100-250k. Of course, underwater welding is one of the most dangerous jobs in the world, so the pay reflects that.

[–]pizza_tron 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Heard underwater welding is hella dangerous. I had a buddy who did it for a little while until his friend took his helmut off becuse he was "hot." Water pressure killed him instantly. People can go crazy when there too deep.

[–]markasstrick123 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I did my research on it. If you get through the five years you typically come out with 1.2 million. That's worth the risk.

I read about guys getting stalked by 2 meter barracudas, crushed in between ships, going deaf, brittle bones, explosions, electrocution, octopus pulling at masks and gear, so on and so on.

This type of lifestyle will keep testosterone high. I've decided to pursue this career and if I die I won't even know it, so what the hell right?

[–]hagenvontronje1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Dealing with other people's shit to make a lot of money to raise other people's kid. That's rough.

[–]incraved 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Civilisation is a great thing.

[–]RedOptics19 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My plumber has 3 boats down in Florida (lives in New England), I'd say he's doing alright.

[–]tsudonimh 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup. There are three things that raise the wages of a job.

It's dangerous, it takes special training/skills/knowledge, or no one wants to do it.

[–]Thedougernaut 16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Idk about where you live, but here; garbage men don't get dirty, make 25 dollars an hour, and get full state benefits. Annual raises, etc. I wish I was a fucking garbage man, and I own my own company...

[–]ButterMyBiscuit 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just because it's an objectively good career doesn't mean it's not a low-status job.

[–]AngraMainyuu 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What you do is you use the Garbage Man Test™: Would these things still apply if the man was a garbage collector (any type of low value man).

I don't know if you knew this dude, but just as much as women lie about valuing all those things, they're gonna lie about this too. They might pause and consider the question, but they're really looking for the socially correct answer, not the true answer. Women will often say anything they need to say in order to shine up how other people perceive them. That's how the hamster stays in shape most days.

If the answer to that test is no, then she's full of shit.

Also, if she answers YES, she's also full of shit. We should all already know this around here. If she answers NO, then at least she's being honest, and truth be told, she's being honest about the other values as well. Wishful thinking, but no, she really does value those things, she's just never attracted to them. Huge difference. I value a woman who works hard and has a degree, but that doesn't make her dating material, nor does it disqualify her either. I'm not attracted to her book smarts, but I definitely admire her for them. Same way women admire guys who know how to change diapers and are good with animals, doesn't mean the dude's gonna get laid anytime soon though.

Point blank, women just don't know what they hell they're talking about when it comes to this shit.

[–]ThousandTruths 33 points33 points [recovered] | Copy Link

It's all about the numbers when it comes to women.

How big is your dick?

How much do you earn?

How tall are you?

What is your facial-width-to-height ratio?

What is your waist to shoulder ratio?

How many friends do you have?

How many women have you been with?

Women are number whores.

All is HARD NUMBERS.

[–]imthemanyesiam 29 points30 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

yet theyre so bad with numbers

[–]Planner_Hammish 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Many of the women (~6/25) I've dated in the last year were accountants. Go figure.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It seems like women are going into accounting more lately.

[–]JovianTrainWreck 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

All this bitching and whining about equality too... gee, I wonder why women aren't garbage collectors?

EQUALITY, BITCHES? REALLY?

[–]Cryocasm 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is all about power.

You don't ever see those rad-feminazis bitching about not being able to drive trucks.

Just wait until "they do it their way" and decided to go shopping, with nothing stocked in the shelves, might be a bit hard won't it?

[–]RojoEscarlata 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is not about number per se, but about social value, which women understand perfectly.

[–]elevul 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because their brains do extremely complex calculations in real time 24/7, they don't have the capacity to add other calculation on top of that.

[–]redbluepilling 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What? No! Where's the nuanced thinking? While these things are important, they aren't what really matter. It's the intangibles, the very things you're disregarding. Confidence, ambition, social prowess, and ease of sexual expression.

This is TRP, where we understand that you can have a fancy car, be well endowed, or have aesthetic features, but that means little if your game is shit / not pursuing your own goals / have low social value.

Read this tale that was highly upvoted (but now deleted for whatever reason).

[–]CalvinHobb3s 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Explain the waist to shoulder one

[–]ThousandTruths2 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Men with wider shoulders and more narrow waists are preferred by women. Think of a v-taper.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ideal ratio is .6 waist-to shoulders.

[–]Lodsiek 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I feel like "social value" might be better than "number of friends". A guy could be in a band, or a stand-up comedian, and have practically no friends because he's so busy, but it still fulfills the social value category and thus we see rock stars in their 60's that are perfectly capable of getting laid in heartbeat.

[–]RompeChocha 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I have none of the questions you posted going for me, except I have a big dick and I know how to fuck. And I've been with plenty of women and always meet new ones. I do have a nice car, although it's a bit banged up, and I wear nice clothes/shoes n smell good (expensive cologne).

[–]Transmigratory 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's too logical for women; they're more hardwired to focus on their "feelings". Their emotional states always override their logical states.

Hence several phrases/sayings of them being crazy/impossible to understand.

[–]ThousandTruths 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Their feelings are formed by a subconscious algorithm that calculates these numbers in their minds without them even realising.

[–]Transmigratory 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know, I'd liken them to a volatile asset with a completely randomised algorithm behind without any logical sequence-- the hamster's rapid changing function.

Though looking at your list, I believe it can be complete if we rank them out of 10 in terms of how much it influences a woman's choice.

[–]1theoctopuss 26 points27 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Once you've seen it first hand, with many different women, it sickens you.

I know many girls and its the same story with all of them, no matter how "different" they say they are.

What I mean by "same story" is not whatever bullshit they tell you, its the way they tell you and what kind of lies they make up.

One example (which applies to most of the women I've spent any amount of time with) is this girl named A. A is your typical girl, enjoys makeup and hair and all that crap. One day, A meets B. B is a white dude with no job, a beat up car (can also be no car), a lot of bad tattoos, and a drug addiction.

Before B came along, as I said, she was pretty typical. After B came along, something happened...

A turned into a "gangster bitch." She started listening to terrible rap music, got some convenientally placed tattoos, and started with the drugs.

2 months later, they break up. 1 month later, A is in a relationship with C. C is what youd call a "farm boy". Within a week, A had a pair of cowboy boots and a flannel shirt. Within 2 weeks, she was putting pictures on her Facebook about her "dream home": a ranch style farm on the plains.

Just 2 weeks ago, she was thug nasty.

I've seen it happen over and over, almost without fail. AWALT.

[–]AngraMainyuu 21 points22 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

This just illustrates how most women don't have much in the way of an identity of their own, but seek to establish one through whichever guy they happen to be dating. Conversely, any girl who is strong-willed and has her own identity, is most likely dating a beta-bitch whose needs always come second or third.

[–]Jaereth 15 points15 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Truth. When you are trying to pull girls at a bar/club, start asking them what their hobbies are. Runners and Photographers are the only thing i've heard where they actually have something going on in their life. It only goes downhill from there...

[–]Saturnalia93 20 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Photographers

About half the time I hear this it ends up meaning "I spent a grand on a DSLR and I take up-close pictures of flowers".

[–]through_a_ways 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This precisely describes my sister.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just saw that profession listed on a girls FB that I used to know. I loled.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a photographer who actually does food photography as a career, I can second this. The number of times I've said I'm a photographer and gotten the reply "me too," only to have them show me dozens of crap photos taken in auto mode on a camera too advanced for them is ridiculous.

[–]DoesNotMatterAnymore 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Once again: Book of Pook - Do Girls Want Sovereignty?

How do successful men act with women? They bring the lady into their world. When they date (at the beginning especially), it is HIS date ideas, he gets to be as creative or dull as he wants. And she will judge you based on the world you are creating for her. Remember, she is going to bedefined by you. There is a reason why she takes your name. We can argue which 'worlds' are more appealing to others with the women (a crazy spontaneos world or a more stable less risk world or such). But one thing that is very true is that women, above anything else, desire the guy to be himself, to show his world properly. Nice Guys and chumps, who do not create any world of their own but try to 'please' the women, are despised the most by women. She may not know what she wants. But she DOES know that YOU ought to know what you want. She will 'fall in love' with a guy, become intermeshed in his world, and his goals often become hers. It is not so much sovereignty she wants but a guy's world.

Doesn't matter if you are a drug addict or a farm boy, both of them have they own unique world. All she wants to be part of it.

[–]∞ Mod | TRP Vanguardbsutansalt 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is one of the more profound things I've read in a while. I really do need to keep refreshing this stuff. Guys "go beta" a lot of times as a relationship wears on because they forget to do exactly what is stated above and instead often slip into placating and pleasing the women. That's the road to relationship strife my friends. You must maintain frame, even when you think it'll be the ruin of you. Sometimes it still will, but more often than not you'll be respected for your iron will and leadership.

[–]faded_jester 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

One of the many gospels of Dante Nero is that a women becomes a reflection of her man, taking on his characteristics/style/what have you. It's kinda off putting how quickly they can completely change themselves and pretend "this is who I am!" ignoring her entire history up until then.

[–]MickeyRoarick 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When the new lion slays the alpha male and becomes the leader of the pride, the transition is swift

[–]markasstrick123 3 points4 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

I just feel sorry for women. Men have it harder, but at the end of the day we are men. We do what we wanna do, women supplicant to others because they are slaves to social status. In a way, they don't even have souls. What a miserable, hollow existence.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

A miserable, hollow, comfortable, pleasant existence. As opposed to a toiling, dieing, struggling, eaking, and suffering existence. Maybe I'm just doing it wrong.

[–]markasstrick123 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fuck being comfortable. Give me chaos.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are compatible with that lifestyle. Not everyone is. But its something that isnt likely to change any time soon.

[–]theoctopuss 4 points4 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I'll have to disagree with your use of "souls".

All we are is a sack of meat, bones, and blood with electrical impules and hormones. We're all made of atoms, molecules, and chemicals just like everything else on this planet.

If there is an understanding on a base level, everything after that will make sense. The brain is wired to make assumptions, similar to cutting corners, because trying to process the thousands of options every situation could result in is too much. That's why statements like "women don't have souls" is false. Genetics dictates if someone is male or female, which also dicates brain structure. XX causes the brain to develop differently than YX, same as the body developing physically.

It's a very deep rabbit hole, and also a reason they call it the red pill.

[–]newmewuser 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I prefer the Sun-Moon metaphor. The Sun can shine by itself, the moon would be utter dark without the Sun's light. As a bonus she also has a near 28 days cycle.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe the moon is happy in the dark though.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

All molecules are made of atoms and all chemicals are either atoms or molecules, so just saying atoms would have sufficed.

Just sayin'

[–]markasstrick123 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You know what I meant by souls. Obviously this is just evolution taking it's course. We are the same decaying shut like everything else on this planet.

What's sad is that we call this stuff the red pill and going down the rabbit hole. Society really destroyed us. This should be common sense.

[–]1theoctopuss 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think you mean a conscience.

I believe women can't experience feelings of guilt or responsibility for their actions, due to genetics. The women that were able to most manipulate the alphas of their group spread the most genes, as well as the proliferation of alpha genes up until the last 100 years or so. Those types of personalities, similar to the dark triad, made them successful.

The women that felt accountable for their actions either didn't reproduce, or were shunned by the other females for not being part of the "group".

There's so many possibilities, combined with the novel society we live in, that there's no way to predict the final state of the female mind.

The Y gene evolves much quicker, while the X gene pretty much stays the same.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They sure like to pretend though, don't they.

[–]elevul 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Keep in mind the CHOOSE to be "slaves of social status". They choose to be bound by their biological and social programming.

But an attractive woman who learns of her nature and goes beyond her programming is an incredible force in our society, thanks to the tools she's made available.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a hilarious, but valid point

Women are shallow creatures, and it's easy to poke holes and expose it, because no matter what anyone says AWALT

[–]Pushnikov 17 points18 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The reality is, women don't consider any guy who isn't already on the sexual market place, "a man".

Even worse, they don't consider any guy who isn't really alpha, "a man".

They're "guys" or "dudes" or "friends" or "creeps".

Those labels don't accumulate. They are the ONLY definition a man will get from a woman in her mind.

Other women become "bitches", or "whores", or whatever. It's the reason some people are so offended by labels - because they can't accumulate labels, they just think that a label is the only definition they will get.

Which is the definition of superficial : "existing or occurring at or on the surface."

Without the ability to attain multiple or apply or see multiple labels, everything is superficial to them, and they operate in that world.

[–]a2abfcd413 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well said. But I would go even further. Unless you're alpha, you don't exist to women. Unless you're alpha / 'a man', you're just a disposable pawn in her biological eyes.

[–]Pushnikov 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree. Not to dig up semantic issues - but you "do exist", as a "pawn". Just a slight discrepancy there. To be used, financially or emotionally, etc, but you still exist to them.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most men are almost totally invisible anyway. It's very rare a woman will give a man a second look.

[–]1Jaereth 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As an actual real life creep, I agree. Women throw that term around way too loosely.

[–]2RedPillSafe 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Waste Management is the lagest CORPORATELY run garbage collection company now.

But in the past (and it might still be true in some areas) various Mafia organizations ran these businesses and their low level guys (who might be paid killers) would be picking up garbage. This also made body disposal easier.

Let's just say I wouldn't badmouth a garbage man and call him "low value".

The modern garbage trucks use mechanical arms so a woman could do the job these days.

Women will ideally prefer the "Master of the Universe" with looks, muscle, money and a CEO position, but if they must choose below that level they switch between Alpha Fucks (garbage man) and Beta Bucks (low ranking corporate drone).

[–]Goldfulgore 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

While men would totally fuck a model that came up through the dumpster

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think 50 Cent touched on this in 21 Questions: "If I didn't smell so good would you still hug me?" The song by the way, should have a full TRP essay written on it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDMhlvbOFaM

[–]the_red_scimitar 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Got it. Become rich, handsome, asshole garbage man.

[–]WingsnLV 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't know. Garbage men have a pretty good income.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some places Yes, some no. In the good places it's not too bad of a job. Just tell people you work for the city.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you ever hear the mother of your son utter the phrase, "I would rather you be gay than a garbage man," seriously, take the time, explain all of this red pill theory to him in an understanding and objective, yet supportive way (you're his father and he's still young), and then, privately, treat her as if she was a gay man.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Great test! I could swear I remember reading about something similar, but I can't remember which book I was reading.

There was an experiment where they told a bunch of single women about this great guy who had all these great supportive and caring characteristics, and the women got really excited about him.

Then they told the women that he was a garbage man or janitor or some other "low status" profession. They all became visibly disappointed.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Could it be The Great Female Con by Andy Randead? There is a section in the book exactly like what this thread is about. To summarize: the author knows this plastic surgeon that is obscenely rich. When he goes to parties, he tells girls that he is an accountant or some upper middle class job that lets them know he is not poor, but not rich and he can provide a stable middle class life style. He says how the girl loses interest in the conversation, starts looking around and politely breaks away to work the room for a higher earning guy. Later they always find out who he is and what he does and they track him down and won't leave his side. They become a totally different girl. They are are warm, charming, focused just on him and never glancing away to scan the room. Yet the same girl that demonstrated that they are exactly like that; have the gall to tell him they are not like that.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Definitely not that book since I've never read it, but it sounds like I should put it on my reading list!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, it's an okay read but save yourself $20 because all of the themes of the book can be found here on the right window and this reddit. As an example, that whole chapter that i paraphrased above is called the garbageman test.

[–]ejpusa 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Quite a few garbage men in NYC make 6 figures. And that's cool by me.

[–]JovianTrainWreck 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

of course it's cool by us - we're not women.

[–]Robert_Walker 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If I were a woman, I imagine I'd find garbagemen attractive as a job for a prospective partner to have.

They hang off the back of that truck with a cavaleir confidence that would be very attractive, they're active, grabbing shit with no "ew" factor, grabbing bins and lofting them and then back then onto the next on, getting it done working hard and spontaneously. Male comradeship, early mornings, willing to do what many men wouldn't do - it's a manly job and if I were a woman, that's stuff I'd want in a man.

Nice paycheque wouldn't hurt either. I imagine my women friends would look down on it all a bit, but secretly would figure my garbo husband probably fucks like more of a man than their office-working shirt and tie partners (no office to office workers).

Oh and no homo (no offence to gay men). Just stuff I can see. Cheers.

[–]bananashammock 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes posts like this in this sub make me wonder if people really believe this sort of thing or if there are a bunch of deep cover trolls trying to make this sub look bad.

[–]oxymorphone 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dunno about this. I proudly tell women I'm a steamfitter/welder, and more often than not, they respond positively.

[–]seiken287 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Garbage guys make a lot of money.

[–]Ahrius 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

By saying that she wants a man that can handle her shitty nature, it gives her permission to be a shitty person.

Keeping her in check by maintaining frame and not taking her crap also encourages/forces her to be a better person.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

See, this is a part of TRP I don't particularly agree with. We condemn women for being hypergamous and only chasing after guys with high SMV but at the same time we chase after hot, skinny feminine girls and will avoid the hamplanets no matter how "kind and sensitive" they are.

At the end of the day relationships are purely transactional. Yes, the girl I am with is with me because I'm successful and have a career that has some degree of prestige. If I lost all of that I wouldn't be surprised if she dumped me. Likewise I'm with her because she's smoking hot, the sex is great and frequent and she is a good nurturer and caring, feminine woman. If that changed she shouldn't be surprised if I dump her. This is the ultimate TRP truth - we are with who we are with because of what we are, not who we are.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hypergamy = constantly trying to trade up, even when with someone they "love". I know guys that fall in love with a skinny beaut and continue to be in love when she balloons up to comic pokemon size. So point to men.

Another thing: effort implies character and loyalty. What's the difficulty on becoming taller as a man? Impossible. Gaining muscle? Difficult. Making a million bucks? Difficult. Learning game, overcoming approach anxiety, learning social cues? Difficult. What's the difficulty for women on not becoming a fat pig and not being a cunt? Super easy.

Now, is there a subreddit with 77k women followers about trying to achieve the highest possible SMV? No. Point again to men.

[–]evafha 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A garbage man with good musculature, facial structure, and alpha demeanor will outfuck Barack Obama any day.

[–]2mbillion 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Property

Power

Prestige

This goes to third of the triad of what makes a man desirable. There is no amount of power over the garbage trucks or property afforded by driving the garbage trucks that a garbage man can overcome because his station in life lacks prestige

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Mike Rowe would like to have a word with you......

[–]xCUMcoveredDICKx 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Dude, garbagemen are very essential for society, make good incomes, and it's a very masculine career path for men to take.

Don't shit on the men that keep our society clean through their hard labor - garbage men are MEN in the full sense of the word.

[–]MickeyRoarick 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

OP is just looking for a difficult man's job that we are all familiar with in this instance. He could've also said Lumberjack or Earthmover

[–]Cryocasm 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Any manual labor job is alpha as fuq.

Lumberjack, construction worker, welder, etc all hard-ass jobs that make you have proper shape. She'll come for the sweaty D.

[–]jmottram08 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not to mention that they get killed on their jobs at a higher rate than policemen.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's similar to the bluepill methodology that we were all taught as well; nice, caring guys are a catch and deserve the best women.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"I'm really not that bothered if a man doesn't dress that well" ... if he's hot. "My sort of man is loving, sensitive, caring and always there for me" ... if he's hot. "I'm not shallow, he doesn't need to be some adonis" ... if he's hot.

etc

Always remember: it's assumed the man is already attractive before she describes what else she likes in him.

[–]j0nsc0tt 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Did you really have to trademark it?

[–]MajorMalaka75 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Garbage men in Chicagoland make close to 6 figures with overtime. "Low value" my ass.

[–]ConfidenceMatters 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude come on. Do you honestly expect women to behave towards low valued dudes the exact same way that they act & feel in the presence of valuable/powerful men?

Do you feel the same way towards a fatty as when you speak to an incredibly hot girl?

There's no point in reminding or getting booty-hurt towards female hypergamy/irrational behavior. Best thing to do is apply your knowledge and take full advantage/exploit their hardwiring and have fun.

[–]NewGuyC 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's so funny that i read this now.. I'm 21 years old atm. I just had this excat situation.. She kissed a guy, talks with me about, calling me sweet and well she literally told me i was friendzoned but before that part it really makes sence..

I'm so fucking done with it holy fuck. Thank you for this glorious and insightfull post. I love you.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Im not a "garbage man" but I am a scrapper. ...and I'm single.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I always love those kinds of kinds of excuses "I'm not usually like this" "I don't usually do this"

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women DO want all of those things, just in a high value guy.

The high value goes without saying to them. (As it should).

Its like a guy saying he ideally wants a girlfriend that is a virgin. What he doesn't say (but is implied), is that he wants this virgin to be good looking. I'm sure ugly virgins are plentiful (virgins for a reason), but he doesn't want them.

Women want a guy that embodies alpha & beta traits.

[–]jmottram08 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women DO want all of those things, just in a high value guy.

Not really.

They don't want a sensitive guy. They think they do, but they really don't. Same with non-judgemental. (what they really mean is very judgemental, but values that she passes)

[–]shooter212 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like but maybe add looks in.... Ugly Garbage Man Test ?

[–]helpyaboy2 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've learned that in most situations, women want the opposite of what they say, although some finally wise up realize things.

I want a caring guy---> A guy who doesn't show too many emotions

[–]RedPill115 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I want a caring guy---> A guy who doesn't show too many emotions

It seems like it works like this:
1. She only goes for guys who don't show to many emotions
2. She does miss that the guys aren't sometimes more emotional
3. So she complains that she wants a caring guy
4. Reality is, she does want a caring guy. She just wants a guy who both doesn't care and does care at the same time.

It's like - I want a girl with big firm boobs, and also small perky boobs at the same time. It's true, I want both. It's just more obvious that having both is impossible and contradictory.

Your point is great though, I'm just trying to expand on it - usually what women complain about is what they actually go for.

[–]strivingforfreedom 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Of course this doesn't apply to the best garbage men in the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACREEFKn8u8

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The legend that is Keith David.

[–]through_a_ways 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And indeed, no one is against support or care. No one hates a caring human. But the reality is that these factors simply aren't valued either. They're irrelevant to whether or not you get sex.

Except that the right amount of lack of care is a proxy for unavailability, which is attractive to women, when compared to availability.

[–]renegade 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a lot of good thought and philosophy of life contained in TRP principles, but sometimes it is just "Shallow men bitching about shallow women." too ;-)

[–]etcomro 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Did this after I saw it with a couple of my female friends last night.. the results were pure comedy.

[–]cherrypoptart27 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"can handle my sarcastic nature! derp!", etc

SarcasmTM - helping women who are uncomfortable with being feminine find a new way to say "cunty" since '03.

[–]Cryocasm 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

non-supportive, insensitive, aloof, no bullshit alpha.

This is known as:

Deep down he has feelings for me™

[–]Transmigratory 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know, when I've done things like that I've always had them SAY that it doesn't matter.

Now you're right, you'll trip some girls but. However the Hamster is powerful, so that could backfire on you. Best thing to do is watch what they do (as per a key RP tenant) or point out things they've done in the past... even things they've said if you're the perceptive and attentive type.

[–]Transmigratory 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We know how much money "garbage men" are capable of making.

However women want the "whole" thing. It doesn't mean much if you earn a lot, they want you to have a title they can brag to their family/friends about. It is annoying, but this is what they say.

However: we learn they are purely emotional. So you can always pull either way.

[–]General_Fear -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. They say they want the nice guy. But you never see a super model in the arms of a janitor.

A woman gets all wet when the guy got money. Money is female viagra.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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