The misconception that red pill is just misogyny.

2012-12-09T02:03:30+00:00

I like how everyone in the thread misses the entire point of what pk_athiest is saying...

If a woman picks up a book on nietzsche, reads it cover to cover then vomits up some quotes in a conversation, she is all of a sudden a fucking defacto genius because she took a small amount of time to discover some mainstream knowledge. Your average guy would have study 100x longer and harder to earn any badass genius points, just because men love having a reason to believe that some woman is intelligent.

Notice how all these guys pre-face their manstering with: "my girlfriend is [super smart because of x]..." and using whatever their gf told them as an excuse to continue fucking her and respecting her as an equal, it's almost as if they are going out of their way to believe someone is their equal. No man would ever go out of his way to find reasons that another man is his equal or superior in the realms of knowledge.

Smart guys that I know devour books and articles by the hundreds and base their information on whatever evidence they've discovered, they provide useful links and references even in spoken conversation.

"Smart" woman that I know use the old: "anyone who disagrees with me is a chauvinist" polically correct short cut to reaffirm whatever limited amount of information they've managed to discover.

And the beta males buy it because they desperately want to believe that women truly are equal... when they aren't.

Also I agree with pk_athiest, this isn't because women can't be as intelligent as men, it's because they're easily seen as equals while sliding by on 1/5th the effort a man has to put in.

squarehouse · 2012-11-17T17:08:24+00:00

I'm sexist, chauvinist, but not misogynist.

I'd like to reclaim the term sexism. There can be benign sexism that tributes to the fact that there are fundamental differences between men and women deep down. Women aren't merely men with vaginas, the sexual differences go all the way down and up in a person, both physiologically and psychologically. As a speculative guess, a sort of abduction, the average in difference in height between men and women all across the world is about 8%. So I would premise the hypothesis that the differences between men and woman in total is about 8%. So men and women are about 92% the same. But that 8% is damn important.

I'm a chauvinist, I can't help it. Deep down, when I'm not fooling myself, I think men are better. But when I say this, I don't mean in the sense that I stereotype women as being lesser. I'll give women every chance, but when I learn that a woman isn't genuinely interested in the world around them, doesn't exhibit genuine curiosity, spends all her days thinking about material things, comparing and contrasting herself with other people, obsesses with fashion, crafts, and interior design, enjoys "recreational shopping" (something that shouldn't be a thing), I shamefully admit, I'm turned off. It's this shame that I'm struggling with.

But I don't hate women. I'm one of the few guys out there who is actually good for women: I lift them up, better their spirits, make them feel secure. I'm turned off by 50% of Heartiste's blog and 90% of Men's Rights because of where a lot of those men are coming from. It doesn't matter if we say similar things if they come from different places.

Women should be loved for what they are and not for what we need them to be. That's the primary lesson I get from The Red Pill.

When we say that women love assholes, we're not being judgmental and condescending towards women. We aren't being bitter about women. We are men who have already accepted this reality, we live in this reality. It's the process of taking the red pill that causes men to lurch backward most drastically, and they attack the messenger.

We're telling you that women aren't as "good" as you made them out to be, that they aren't these ideal creatures, these victimized creatures, that they complain about troubles that they've put on themselves. You've internalized the concept of patriarchy and by default perceive women as victims, as helpless creatures due to our societal structures. But when we explain to you the real power that women possess, the erotic capital of HB's, this strikes you as misogyny.

johnnybigoode · 2012-11-16T19:13:52+00:00

I'll say it again, the red pill is about stereotypes.

The reality is this: Ask any 18 year old girl something about science, ask her what she thinks about philosophy. Get in a conversation about politics. You probably won't get much. Now here's the thing- your response will be telling here. "Well she's an 18 year old girl, what do you expect?" That's basically it. Because she's a girl, and she's young, we don't expect much of anything, do we?

Half the girls of my graduating class managed to get into really good universities here in Brazil - for the 14 girls, 7 went to get engineering majors, 4 went to psychology and the rest were geography and biology if I'm not mistaken.

My response is that 18 year is stupid. And that should be the argument.

But here's my honest question:

The problem with society forcing boys to have that kind of knowledge and for girls being study is patriarchy, the problem with some feminists is that they think the patriarchy can be resumed by 'white male straight penis oppression', and my problem with the red pill is that most users seem to simply generalize everything, make the world binary gender and talk all about Alpha like Brucie from GTA4.

I honestly think that everything people are trying to do with the RedPill is to rationalize conforming to patriarchy.