Pre-sex shit tests

simbarlion · 2019-04-27T08:02:56+00:00

Women make rules for betas and break rules for alphas.

Remember that.

Redpillbrigade17 · 2019-04-27T09:16:36+00:00

Tactics and play-by-play advice on techniques will not help you much here. She’ll smell them a mile away, see right though them.

Your frame is a wet paper bag. Deep down you’re still a Nice Guy. You must change that first.

You must genuinely become that badass version of yourself who you have not been in years (or ever?) and who she hasn’t seen in years (or ever). Once you do that, all this nonsense will either not happen, you may not even notice it, or it will be like child’s play and you’ll swat the shit tests with true amused mastery.

The only way to get there is through work on yourself and some suave diplomacy/ STFU when in comes to interactions with her so as not to make things worse. Also some temporary distance from her / the home may be warranted, so you gain some perspective. Take a trip away without her for a few days (see my post on this in February).

In my estimation it will take you 9-12 months to get there, assuming you do the work.

Good luck.

arm_candy · 2019-04-27T14:17:24+00:00

Instead I purposely leaned on her sleeve again. I believe it came off playful, but maybe it came off more "fuck you" in the moment.

Don't do shit like this, you aren't ready. Imagine you are sparring with someone who is a better striker and more dangerous. They are being cool about it and not putting a lot behind their punches. They start to pick up the pace a bit to challenge you and then you crack them hard and piss them off. You took it from a 5 to 9 and escalated. Now they start walking you down trying to fuck you up. You obviously don't have the skills to deal with it so you get fucked on.

This is pretty much what happened to you. Hit as hard as you want to be hit and set a pace you can keep up with. If you can't handle her shitty behaviors, don't escalate. In time, you will be able to escalate, get her all worked up and then have some crazy sex built off emotions and strong frame. You simply don't have the skills to deal with your wife at the moment so watch your p's and q's until you have your shit together. You are certainly headed in the right direction but don't have the frame or physique yet. Get to work.

MrChad_Thundercock · 2019-04-27T14:26:16+00:00

“taking a break to lecture me”

Only Betas get lectured.

Sounds like all of this was a form of LMR combined with a shit test. It worked because you gave up. She beat you in a war of attrition.

Would chad have given up so easily?

In game theory, the war of attrition is a dynamic timing game in which players choose a time to stop, and fundamentally trade off the strategic gains from outlasting other players and the real costs expended with the passage of time.

She beat you into submission- which only proved and reinforced your Beta status to her. You’re stuck in this downwards spiral of doom.

Would chad lose blood in his dick because of her sleeve?

Seems like she’s responding well because she initiated the hitting and pinching. This is a good sign that she wants you to be more dominate and aggressive with her. Take that pussy dude.

What’s your problem? You’re way over thinking what she says. Don’t analyze it. Look at her actions, she’s playing with you and you fucked it up. Next time she hits and pinches you, instead of responding in kind (pinching her ass- which was gay by the way) start talking dirty to her. You know you want this cock baby, I can tell. You’ve been a bad girl all day long. You’re my dirty little slut, I’ve been looking at dat ass all day long, etc.. she wants to feelz sexy, not get her ass pinched while about to fuck. Sex begins in her mind first. Give her some manufactured drama. Reserve ass pinching for drive bys.

Also, what’s up with of the hand towels & wearing sleeves in bed?

H2orocks3000 · 2019-04-27T19:44:16+00:00

Honestly man, all I read there was that you emotionally invalidated her. A real alpha can do that and still maintain composure and is more authentic.

The problem with just constantly manipulating her is that you only have a surface based relationship.

I’ve been the dominant partner in all my relationships and I will say what she is saying is not the problem at all.

If you have an issue it may be how she talked to you.

That’s fair. I typically always talk with girls the first sign that they get nagging with me and calmly and in control walk up and pretty much say,

“Hey I care about you, now the way I felt you just spoke to me reminds me of how my mom talked to me my entire life and I promised my self I would never put up with that again as it was painful and brings up a lot. Now I will always listen to your concerns and hear you out, but talk to me like that again and I’m out. Because I do not want to have a life where I feel like that again.”

This always works for me. I hug them and say it quietly.

They get it and apologize or just say sorry. Or what ever.

Like if you are just going back and forth with shit tests, it means you have a surface based relationship.

I keep meaning to read the book “games people play” as it has a lot of different patterns people play.

screechhater · 2019-04-27T11:50:45+00:00

Wholly fucking smokes.

You ask advice and DEER the living fuck out of to prove today aren’t a needy boy

Do you see this interaction ?

(You only have to prove yourself and answer to yourself) Own Your Shit.

All this advice can be thrown at you, and you can read until your blind, but stop trying internalize every single detail.

Start living for you. Bro time. Define a mission and yes, start bulking. Hard.

The “canary in the Coal Mine” is the bitch out of pinning her shoulder down. An attracted, immersed woman would apologize to you, with your shit together. See that ? Seriously.

Can you step back, read what you wrote in its entirety and define the real problem ?

So.

Lift and push each session.

Work on frame (and yes you can open the box for her and not break frame) not every interaction is a shit test

Fore play. It’s all day and starts with your mission, wardrobe, frame, game and Yes lifting

The biggest piece of advice is frame. And, learn to live like you are single. (If you walk an the house is a dump, clean it because it needs to be cleaned.)

FereallyRed · 2019-04-27T17:35:32+00:00

You took her seriously.

She's a little girl, testing daddy's limits.

You decided to give her test teeth by responding to it like it actually meant anything.

Add fun and dominance.

You handed her the reins the second you took her seriously.

She doesn't want to be handed the captains hat. She needs to be put back in her place.

Take her over your knee and give her a good spanking for being a brat. Then fuck the shit out of her.

Deference to her frame, especially in bed, is a huge turnoff.

Tbonesupreme · 2019-04-29T12:53:46+00:00

She's looking for an excuse not to fuck you and have it not be her fault.

You either don't look fuckable or aren't acting in a fuckable way.

Sepean · 2019-04-27T07:26:25+00:00

This all sounds very standard, and you have the right understanding (handle with AA and setting boundaries).

What you need is stronger frame, higher SMV and more dread. You have to push on - something will click in your head and hers when you realize how easy it is to get the attention of other girls.

And fucking lift, bro. That means also getting your diet in order. You should be bulking, eat 400 kcals more per day.

mrpthrowa · 2019-04-27T06:52:26+00:00

Well, you've got to have some standards and stop trying hard.

Start with the "open the package" interaction. What kind of retard asks the same question over and over? a retard who gets a reaction. The second question would have gotten silence from me, the third question complete silence, the fourth question and I may just fuck off out of annoyance and go fuck another woman.

Lack of attention is the ultimate punishment and a person who is retard enough to insist on something like that needs to be pavloved into getting scared of doing it again.

Yeah that may not get you sex from her that night, and I think you've got to forgot about insisting for sex for a while because you guys have created this weird pavlovian feedback loop where you wanting sex brings out autistic behaviour from both of you. I mean shit that bed interaction belongs to an autist saturday night skit.

Go lift dude, build your life.

AND SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I'm interested in both "alpha sprinkles" that would help in this narrow situation, because it's happened multiple times, as well as more general, "this is happening because you're fucking up broader issue X".

Fuck off with your sprinkles. Get better, have some standards. Go game other girls is probably your best bet at the moment.

Not because that will make her want you. But because it will show you what a woman does when she is attracted to an alpha. What it means for a woman to be so pleased she is PRIVILEGED and THANKFUL to gurgle on your cock, literally it would be the best thing to happen to her.

At that point you may start to respect yourself enough that you don't tolerate these shitty situations. And in the process, it will probably help you shed away your autistic tendencies. Let me guess, you probably sit in front of a computer more than 8 hours a day? because gosh do you lack some social skills dude.

SoloQueueXL · 2019-04-27T12:13:03+00:00

Bruh if you didn’t enter this relationship already taking that ass you’re in for a long ride.

jerrymcguiver · 2019-04-27T14:58:56+00:00

She said something that amounted to "whatever"

She was dissapointed that her man failed to overcome her feminine bitchiness and plunder her with his masculinity. She will test you where you are weakest. Maybe she feels you need sex too much.

Of those only AA seems reasonable but I think would yield the same escalating shit test I got tonight.

AA so absurdly that she forgets the sleeve. I would go with "oh the sleeve" in a baby voice around 3x while moving my lips in a baby suckling a tit motion against her cheek. Meanwhile I would actively be taking off her shirt.

red-sfpplus · 2019-04-27T15:29:04+00:00

I always do it and it's intentional.

Sounds to me like she wants to be tied up and face fucked with her head hanging off the bed.

I didnt read any further.

themerovingian01 · 2019-04-27T19:22:10+00:00

I've encountered versions of this many times.

BobbyPeru · 2019-04-27T21:01:06+00:00

She's sabotaging the tiny bit of sexual energy in the room by taking a break to lecture me.

Nope. She’s escalating the shit test because YOU failed from the start. You acted totally Beta, so she treated you accordingly.

I’ve had similar shit tests. Just saying no and A&A doesn’t fit there autist. Quit trying to script it- it’s not the time. Take control, pull her in for a kiss and tell her that can be done later because right now you’re gonna fuck. This has worked for me, but you might not be there yet so try something slightly different. It’s a perfect opportunity to show your dominance

[deleted] · 2019-04-28T03:46:42+00:00

How big are her fucking sleeves that leaning on them is a constant occurrence? I'm wracking my brain trying to think of it happening to me ONCE... and i cant think of it....

She already made a deal out of it, so dont attempt to be comedic about it... Its a hot button now... ignore it

IF i ever leaned on a womens sleeve and she was like "WTF, dont pull my shirt" i might come back with "Oh sorry... but why are you wearing such baggy clothes and not some lace lingerie anyway?"

ExpatRights · 2019-05-23T19:18:17+00:00

She was deliberately sabotaging sex cuz she hates it

qwertyuiop111222 · 2019-04-27T06:01:43+00:00

Dude, sorry - she sounds like a PITA.

Why did you marry her, to start with? What did you like about her? Did you vet her well enough before you married her? Honestly, she sounds like a pain, and I'm trying to see why you even bother.