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There are billions of people in the world, and 1.06 men to every 1 woman. That's a LOT of single men. (boards.4chan.org)

submitted by ThrowawayA65LiEqa


[–]SophisticatedBean21 points22 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

What's worse, feminism has deferred marriage so much that, at the point most men have started dating and marrying, women of the same age are withered and overworked, so lots of those men then compete additionally for the few young and attractive ones. And this defers the marriage for lots of younger men even more because they face more competition, reinforcing this process even. At the same time, cultural degeneracy also makes large age gaps socially acceptable.

[–]ThrowawayA65LiEqa 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm guess you mean post wall, 32-39

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According to the data, when you get to that age range, men start dropping.

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The graph on wikipedia (image used in the 4chan thread) shows the populations for 25-54 evening out (that by the way is a moronic grouping to use).

So women start losing their dating pool advantage AND their SMV starts dropping.

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Honestly it kinda makes sense that a 17 y/o would date a rich old dude.

[–]bigbellywhale 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

Lots of stats are starting to show that post wall isn't always correlated with SMV, that many women lose their looks but still can rack up sex partners like there's no tomorrow. They basically just lose their ability to get men to commit.

[–]ThrowawayA65LiEqa 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's gross. I 100% believe it. Link for everyone else?

[–]SophisticatedBean2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, sufficiently horny males are willing to lower their standards a lot.

Stephen Wolfram has computed some nice graphs of share of singles by age based on Facebook here:

https://blog.stephenwolfram.com/data/uploads/2013/04/relationship-status-vs-age-grid3.png

https://blog.stephenwolfram.com/2013/04/data-science-of-the-facebook-world/

[–]Altmark220 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

At the same time, cultural degeneracy also makes large age gaps socially acceptable.

Isn't it the opposite in "degenerate" cultures?

I mean you can see men accused of being a pedophile by many these days for going after, say a 17 yr old girl (in countries where this is legal, of course.)

It seems to me that one of the effects of modernity and feminism has been to reduce age gaps between couples, not increase them.

[–]SophisticatedBean0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

It seems that this norm is critical in order to enforce monogamy in terms of low rates of serial monogamy. It seems more recently large age gaps are becoming more acceptable (not 100% sure though). It was coincidental that feminism enforced monogamy in this way (while destroying it in many other ways).

[–]Altmark220 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Out of curiosity, I'd like to hear your reasoning as to how couples being age-matched reinforces monogamy as opposed to historical male being older norm? Is it because of men losing their looks as they age, despite tending to have more resources and a higher social status as they age?

It seems to me it would at least promote monogamy on behalf of men, due to their usual preference for neoteny.

As for the social acceptability of greater age gaps, even in the southern US in the sixties it was considered somewhat acceptable for older men to date teenage women, and in the wake of the sexual revolution there were even open pedophile advocacy groups operating in many western countries.

These days I've seen women on social media and the like castigating men dating women even in their early twenties(most likely out of bitterness, to be sure.) It's also a common theme among many feminists to accuse all men of pedophilia. I see it as part of a general gynocentric trend of shaming men's natural sexual impulses, and celebrating women's.

[–]SophisticatedBean0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Honestly, it was mostly stream of consciousness, and I did not put much thought into it. What I actually wanted to write about is that lots of the men between 20 and 40 compete for women in their early 20s, so the imbalance is even greater than the 6-7% birth ratio. Further, as there are fewer people born, there are even more men in the 20-40 bracket...

But I somehow got lost in thoughts. In HCMST, there is actually no change in partner age gap between 2009 and 2017 (rather a narrowing). Though my impression is that large age gaps are becoming more common very recently. Under feminism, they have been fairly uncommon, but now with anti-feminist movements, plus men starting dating only very late, one should maybe expect a return to larger age gaps which will possibly intensify the difficulties younger males experience as there will be older men additionally competing for the young women.

Among hunter-gatherers the age gap at first marriage is 5.12±3.61; though the divorce rate is high among couples with such large gaps (18% 5 year vs 3% 1 year), possibly largely due to social norms, but I'm not seeing very good reasons to return to this as it makes prohibiting serial monogamy harder, I think.

If society enforces marriage early enough, say ~24 (M) and ~21 (F), then everyone could experience the joys of youth and use the youthful energy of the 20s to start a family (rather than much later while being busy and old basically, and the man already lowering his preferences regarding physical attraction a lot).

[–]Altmark221 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for writing that reply.

I agree the scenario of enforced monogamy you outlined would be ideal for societal stability and cohesion, and ultimately benefit both sexes.

Unfortunately, it seems the west is transitioning from serial monogamy to gradually open polygyny.

There is a slight possibility that the anti-feminist reaction you mentioned could avert this outcome, fueled by rising inceldom.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[–]FUCK_THEM_IN_THE_ASS6 points7 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Hey, you know what could help thin out the male population?

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Another huge world war! Just think of all the money to be made on another global scale war too! It solves so many problems!

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Let's start a ground war against Iran immediately! Stage a false flag attack somewhere to justify it, and recruit all the poor and lonely men to come die for the wealthy. It's foolproof!

[–]ThrowawayA65LiEqa 1 points [recovered]  (11 children) | Copy Link

Hey now. You be careful with posting stuff like that. We don't wanna give (((them))) ideas.

On the plus side, incels might be high IQ technical types that won't get put on the battlefield due to garbage physiques. Maybe most of them would get stuck working as code monkeys or nurses.

[–]alliumnsk1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Maybe most of them would get stuck working as code monkeys or nurses.

what makes you think so? I think incels have approximately same IQ as general population, maybe a point or two lower.
maybe incels here, in reddit community have higher but then so reddit users are smarter than general pop and not representative of population.

[–]ThrowawayA65LiEqa 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

Fair question. As you suspect, I might have made the mistake of taking THIS community as representative of incels in general. Somehow I missed the part about where these incel subreddits are probably like the visible tip of an iceberg with a massive population of incels not posting about it online.

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Actually this escaped me the first time through. The point I was making might have been that high IQ people tend to be incels. I might have gotten it totally backwards.

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To argue my point a bit more though, I think higher IQs tend to be extremely unattractive to the rest of the population. Or at the very least, the rest of the population can't appreciate a high IQ. A stupid person can't understand a smart person, but a smart person can understand a stupid person.

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Like imagine for a second that certain personality traits tend to come along with a high IQ. Risk awareness leading to risk aversion, a willingness to question one's beliefs and so that comes with self doubt and a lack of confidence, a lack of tribalistic tendencies, and maybe a tendency to be low on dark triad traits.

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Imagine a person with all those traits. Society would take one look at him and think he's a beta. Maybe he's just operating by a different rule book. The kind of rule book you need in order to do good science.

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As another anecdote, I found this recently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_idiot the claim is made that the village savant held a similar social standing to the village idiot.

[–]sebool1120 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Like imagine for a second that certain personality traits tend to come along with a high IQ.

But do they? I can see where you're going, but not being an ass seems like a personality trait irrelevant to one's intelligence to me. I've seen people full of themselves on both the ends of "intelligence scale," if I may put it that way. As you pointed out in your own post - both the village idiot and village savant seem hold a similar social standing.

All in all, I appreciate your contribution to discussing greatly, though.

[–]ThrowawayA65LiEqa 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think I get what you're saying. Like a Dr. Gregory House vs. - someone who isn't an asshole. Right is right.

There's a difference between IQ and intelligence. So let's pretend I didn't say IQ and just said intelligent person.

There is a correct way to be intelligent.

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If an intelligent person is not risk aware, and thus not risk averse, and thus takes stupid risks and dies as a result, then that person was an idiot.

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If a person is certain of their beliefs, has no sense of humility and doesn't question their beliefs, and is wrong. That person is an idiot.

[–]sebool1120 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Now I'm having a bit of a hard time differentiating between the terms you presented. English isn't my native language. In any case, "idiot" seems like a very broad term that doesn't have any objective meaning in of itself anymore. It's just an insult now.

There's a difference between IQ and intelligence.

How do you differentiate IQ and intelligence? Legit question. I thought IQ is a measurement of intelligence(or at least as close as you can get to having one).

If an intelligent person is not risk aware, and thus not risk averse, and thus takes stupid risks and dies as a result, then that person was an idiot.

Would you call a risk-unaware person intelligent in the first place?

If a person is certain of their beliefs, has no sense of humility and doesn't question their beliefs, and is wrong. That person is an idiot.

In this case, if that person was also a math genius, they would be intelligent(I wouldn't say "idiot", because it'd only signify my dislike towards that person, and nothing else). If I were to describe them, I would rather say that they are full of themselves. But still intelligent.

[–]alliumnsk0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Higher IQs often have lower sex drive, so they would primarily add to volcels category.
Also, higher IQ has advantage in earning money power so this offsets "beta" personality traits significantly.

[–]ThrowawayA65LiEqa 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

First of all, that might be too precise of a definition of incel. Like... what if you're married and your wife won't fuck you? Isn't that kinda involuntary celibacy? Second, and continuing with a looser definition. There are reasons to want a relationship besides sex right? My argument kinda involved being unable to form connections with other people because they don't understand you. Like do we really want 50 labels for a cluster of phenomena? "You're a mentalcel, you're ugly so you're an incel, you don't want anyone else to have to live in this awful reality and thus choose not to reproduce so you're a volcel".

I'm parroting second hand information, so take this as anecdote. I'm not comfortable commenting much more on the subject. I'd be talking out of my ass.

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IQ doesn't actually show an advantage in earning power. Supposedly all it's good for is measuring very low intelligence. I'm not sure what "good for" means in that context. A lot of psychology type metrics are totally different animals from engineering type metrics. Precise to a psychologist might mean 90% accurate. Precise to an engineer might mean inaccurate once in a million cases.

[–]sebool1120 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

incels might be high IQ technical types that won't get put on the battlefield due to garbage physiques.

They'd be trained, and then they would stop having garbage physiques. Besides, there's not that much science I've seen that proves incels have higher IQ.

[–]PHOENIX_THE_JEAN1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

username checks out

[–]spiralreflector1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nukes ruin everything

[–]eduardkoopman9 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Also. Women get older then men. So there are more granny women then granny men. So if you calculated it for the ration men/women below the age of 50, then it would be even a bigger difference.

[–]Futureman999 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Because 99% of them refuse to work out hard. Ask any guy who has spent several years in a gym. Always lots of burly guys on the racks + a few on the cable machines + some working cardio. Then a few female dabblers here and there doing a leisurely pace on the treadmill or camping out on a cable machine playing with their phones.

[–]JFLmaxx2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I’m a gymmaxxer and I do see mostly men at the free weights. The serious female weightlifter is def comparatively rare.

I’m also on keto right now which is anti-carb/sugar. Been noticing the difference. Is sugar responsible for other than things like weight gain? Is it bad for the skin or something I’m not aware of?

[–]Futureman999 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Supposedly either sugar or artificial sweeteners make your body accumulated fat around your middle instead of more distributed over your whole body.

[–]JFLmaxx1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for the IQ fren!

[–]ThrowawayA65LiEqa 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Last time I'm posting this in the thread. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States#Population

[–]eduardkoopman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

thanks

[–]oldman_stone14 points15 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

what would happen if you remove china form the equation?

[–]ThrowawayA65LiEqa 1 points [recovered]  (18 children) | Copy Link

Nothing. China isn't even in the data set I used.

[–]oldman_stone12 points13 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

ah, good to know after a few google look ups it seems china and india have like 40 million more men than women each.

[–]ugluk14 points5 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

That's not a problem for them, though. The men with money from there simply import women from the rest of Asia (from Indonesia, Vietnam and the Philippines, the latter being the bottom choice).

[–]ThrowawayA65LiEqa 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Is that real? What do they have against phillipino women?

[–]ugluk16 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They have the reputation of being stupid. Also, the Spanish left an "imprint" (you know what I mean) on them. Chinese would love to marry other Chinese, but if that's not possible, they prefer as Chinese-like women as possible. So Vietnamese are prime reproductive (not necessarily marriage) material to them.

[–]FUCK_THEM_IN_THE_ASS0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

Thailand is common too.

[–]ugluk15 points6 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

You're wrong, Thai have a very low fertility rate (1.48) and need to import women for their sex industry. Mostly Filipina and Lao women hehehe. They are extra-happy if she has white ancestry in her.

[–]Thick_Victory1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Wait, so the vast majority of the sex workers in Thailand (both ladyboys and cisgender women) are actually NOT Thai but Philippina and Laotian?

[–]ugluk10 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

I was writing about women. I can't talk about absolutes, but many are imported, yes, how could it be otherwise, with the kind of fertility rate they have? Sex tourists can't tell the difference between Asian women.

[–]Thick_Victory0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

and why is the fertility rate so low?

[–]ugluk11 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

For the same reason as in the West. Asian women aren't immune to feminism. South Korea, Thailand, Singapore, China, Japan all have problems with fertility. Make a dating account on a Thai dating site and you will sense the entitlement. If you want an Asian lady, go to a place with a high fertility. Be warned though, the same software is running in their brain, as in other places.

[–]blackpillmaxxing 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

are there more gay men than lesbians?

[–]lifehater1232 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

If every man was straight, this would mean there are 500,000 more men than females. To get this number, I divided 8 billion / 1.06

[–]goblincocksmoker2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

  1. math is wrong

  2. how is whether the men are straight or not doesnt effect the equation

[–]ThrowawayA65LiEqa 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I have no idea why you would do that when you can just look at the actual census data to see how many more men than women there are.

[–]lifehater1230 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

where do you find the census

[–]ThrowawayA65LiEqa 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am not responsible if you choke on this spoon.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States#Population

[–]lifehater1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's like 3.5 million more males damn

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