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60 Days of Dread: Finances

**I AM NOT A FINANCIAL PROFESSIONAL AND THE BELOW ADVICE IS NOT MEANT TO BE CONSIDERED PROFESSIONAL INVESTMENT OR TAX ADVICE. PLEASE CONSULT WITH A PROFESSIONAL BEFORE MAKING ANY CHANGES**

I grew up in a family that did not understand financial planning. When I was young, my parents divorced and I lived in a single-parent home for several years. I knew two things: I was poor, and I was not going to stay that way. I remember reading my first personal finance book, Rich Dad, Poor Dad. Although 90% of that book is fluff, it opened my mind to the possibilities of financial freedom.

Like fitness, there is a lot of analysis paralysis in personal finance. Developing financial literacy is less complicated than most think.

TL;DR version: Increase your income, reduce your expenses, pay down debt and invest extra money each month into a low-cost index fund that follows the overall performance of the stock market. Over time, you will become wealthy.

  • Investing: Here is the fun part. Investing is the most important aspect of financial literacy. Some people think investing is complicated. Like fat loss, the formula is really simple. **Be wary of people who sell you complicated investing products.** To borrow a quote from Warren Buffet, "Beware geeks bearing spreadsheets." With investing, simple almost always beats complex.
    • Consistency Beats Complicated: There are thousands of people in the investment management industry who tell customers investing is complicated. The truth is, 70% majority of hedge fund managers underperform the market in any 10 year time period. Over a 30 year period, that number increases to over 98%. This is why Jack Bogle, the deceased founder of Vanguard, recommended people invest in a low-cost index fund that follows the performance of the stock market. Not only are the fees lower, but you will consistently beat the most educated and hard-working investment advisors.
    • Compound Interest: Einstein called compound interest the 8th wonder of the world. If you invested $12,000 in 1975, you would have over $1M by 2015 based on the performance of the market. This does not take into account inflation, but it does demonstrate how small choices can add up over time. Instead of asking how much something costs, start looking at purchases through the lens of opportunity cost. How much does that $10,000 diamond ring really cost? After 20 years, it is really $40,000 if you are earning 10% annually. Not to mention, diamonds are one of the most abundant resources on the planet. But you already knew that. You're not the type of guy who buys a $10,000 ring hoping to get decent sex.
    • 401(k): If you get a 401(k) match at work through your employer, you need to use it. A standard match is 5%. You are not going to notice a major difference in your paycheck by contributing 5%. However, you will soon notice the balance growing with 10% of your income invested each month (5 from you and 5 from your company). Your 401(k) should be invested in a low-cost fund. Look for two numbers: Load Fee and Expense Ratio. A load fee charges you X% on your contribution. The expense ratio is the annual expense that is paid to the fund for management. There are funds with No load fees and expense ratios below 0.10%. Vanguard offers dozens of investment funds that track the performance of the stock market. I personally use the ticker symbol VTSAX. You can contribute $19,000 to a 401(k) each year. This does not include the company match.
    • Roth IRA: You should also consider taking advantage of a Roth IRA. For most people, you can invest $6,000 a year (There are income limits for qualifying, most people do not make enough money to worry about this). This means $12,000 total between you and your wife. Contributions to a Roth IRA can be withdrawn without tax penalties, and the compounded growth is not taxed. Think of this as a liquid savings account that is earning substantial interest each year.
    • Real Estate: Some people believe that real estate is a path to wealth. In my area, real estate prices are so inflated that the numbers do not make sense. However, if you are from certain areas of the country, you may have more success with finding low-cost homes. Bigger Pockets is an excellent resource for people interested in investing. I am not an expert in this area, and I really can offer little advice for people interested in this subject. There is a lot of smoke coming from "gurus" in this space. People who become wealthy through Real Estate Investing take the slow road. Beware of people promising fast gains.
  • Expenses
    • Americans suck at saving money. This is unacceptable. Are you the type of man who has to ask his wife permission to spend money? 69% of Americans recently reported having less than $1,000 in savings. I had $1,000 saved when I was in high school. You need to track your expenses. Use a free tool like You Need a Budget. Your biggest opportunities will come from three areas: Housing, Transportation and Food. Living in a McMansion you can't afford to impress your wife? Move. Drive a $50,000 truck with a massive payment each month? Buy a used car from a reliable company (Toyota). Go out to eat every day? Start cooking at home. You will save money and be leaner. Most people can get much faster results from cutting expenses than increasing their income.
  • Income
    • Better posts than mine have been written on career goals. Read those posts. Anyone who can fog a mirror can get a decent job right now. Maybe you need two jobs to reach your financial goals in the short-term. Do whatever it takes to provide for yourself and your family.

Final Thoughts: Notice I did not say anything about having strong finances will improve your sex life. Many men have a giant covert contract surrounding their finances: If I am a good provider, my wife will sleep with me more. Wrong. You need to build wealth to make your life better and to change your family's trajectory. Follow some of the steps above, and you will soon find yourself with a net worth above six figures. When you have a solid financial foundation, you are able to take more risks in your career and investing. Boss makes you mad at work? With $100,000 at your disposal, you have the leverage to leave. It will also reduce stress in your personal life. Stop worrying about how building wealth will make your wife feel. Stay in your own frame. Be your own judge. Build wealth like a man.

  • Podcasts: Here are some financial podcasts I enjoy listening to.
    • ChooseFI
    • Afford Anything
    • Motley Fool
    • Bigger Pockets Money
  • Books
    • The Simple Path to Wealth
    • Playing with FIRE
    • Total Money Makeover
    • The Millionaire Next Door
    • Set For Life
    • Your Money or Your Life

PS - I am not on Reddit much, but will try to be on more often for a few days to answer any questions.


[–]SuperCrazy078 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Investing can be fun and rewarding. I’ve converted three people from people who only invested with their 401k to people who invest extra money every month. I use one “trick”:

Invest in DRIPs (you can automate this), but instead of reinvesting the dividends, get a paper check mailed to you.

The checks will start off small, but you’ll see them get bigger and bigger over time both through your additional contributions as well as dividend increases.

I now own 28 companies. 26 pay a quarterly dividend and 2 pay monthly. So, basically, 11 times a month I go to my mailbox and have a dividend check to open. It’s psychologically rewarding to get them as opposed to the dividend being direct deposited and you don’t really notice.

Like I said, three people went from doing nothing to paying attention and now I get texts like “hey, we just got a raise! [company X] just announced a 10% dividend increase.” and we have discussions about new companies to invest in.

[–]master_ryan1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Would you mind telling us how you get started investing in DRIPs? Never heard of them yet they seem interesting.

[–]SuperCrazy070 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

One way is once you’ve picked out a company that you want to invest in, go to their investor relations page. Most of them will have some kind of “Buy Our Stock” section and tell you how to go about it.

A much easier way is to go to Computershare.com and then choose “Make a Stock Purchase”.

You can see all the companies that use them. If you click “View Most Active Plans” you can see that Exxon, Coke, Walmart, etc. have their plans there.

One thing to watch out for is fees. Some companies cover 100% of the cost and others are surprisingly expensive. IIRC, I bought my shares of AT&T over just a few months because the purchase fees were high. On the other hand, I bought small amounts of Clorox twice a month for years because it had zero costs.

Note: There are no fees to get your dividend check. So, having bought all the shares of AT&T that I want, it’s now free to get my quarterly check.

[–]weakandsensitive0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you use schwab (use schwab -- hit me up for referral), there's an option to reinvest dividends. Most brokerages are able to do this automatically.

[–]csgoback2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Great overview- wanted to add that the best expense tracking and planning tool I've found is personalcapital.com, and I've tried multiple tools (including YNAB, HelloWallet, Mint and Quicken)

For books I'd add "I Will Teach You To Be Rich"

[–]liftingisredlife[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the feedback. I have not read I Will Teach You To Be Rich yet.

[–]Manoam0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately only available in the US

[–]DoDisciple3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/investor-alley/investment-order/

A great place to start with steering your money into tax advantaged areas.

[–]liftingisredlife[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

MMM is a great place for information on investing and living frugally. The Frugalwoods is also another solid blog for anyone who enjoys reading MMM.

[–]marv86kw2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'd like to add something on this. I'm big on financial planning and practiced it since college. One mistake I made was looking to real estate as the starting point (had a small stock portfolio but basically sold it for RE).

Incremental investment in stocks and their liquidity is far more important than the income aspect of real estat (direct ownership). Tennant vacancy, refurbishments, etc all take up time, and is difficult to scale (managing 10 properties is harder than just one). There is a place for real estat, but the majority of people would do well to focus ans allocate to equities.

[–]liftingisredlife[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is how I feel as well. I have no doubt real estate investing can be used to build wealth, but I think for the average investor a low fee index fund is the way to go for a while.

[–]MrChad_ThundercockPlaying the lead roll0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes.

[–]donmcde1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Solid info. I commend your book and podcast list.

[–]liftingisredlife[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am a podcast nerd. Can't imagine listening to the radio every day on my way to work.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Roth IRA: You should also consider taking advantage of a Roth IRA. For most people, you can invest $6,000 a year (There are income limits for qualifying, most people do not make enough money to worry about this). This means $12,000 total between you and your wife. Contributions to a Roth IRA can be withdrawn without tax penalties, and the compounded growth is not taxed. Think of this as a liquid savings account that is earning substantial interest each year.

Don't forget to backdoor your Roth if you are able to.

[–]liftingisredlife[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great call-out. Thought about mentioning that but the process is a little complex. If interested search Mad Fientist Backdoor Roth for a complete explanation.

[–]BostonBrakeJobRoTY0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Developing financial literacy is less complicated than most think.

Absolutely!

Another thing I look for with Index funds is the turnover rate. Lower the better as all that buying and selling racks up fees as well.

Having multiple income streams is another big one I've learned over the last couple years. Like your dividend checks for example, the more places you have money coming in, the better. I'm in the process of taking this one step further, looking for people to farm the work out to. Pay a little to someone else, still collect my check, and most importantly....have more free time.

[–]Manoam0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I found the book 'Money Master the Game' by Tony Robbins excellent in understanding investments. He comes to the same conclusion as you do ( but needs 300 pages).

[–]Non_Merger0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lots of resources online for getting your financial shit together.

MMM, Dave Ramsey, Bogleheads, etc.

One post that is the most comprehensive and sane I've seen is from right here: https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/9uep23/financial_freedom_first_steps/

[–]el_Gran_Jamon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was asked aome time ago to expand on money issues; I'll drop those suggestions now.. .

  1. Real estate. Unless you have some special talent such as software engineer, invent a better mouse trap, are an exceptionally gifted professional (lawyer, doctor who also owns business infrastructure for example) or executive over achiever in your bureaucracy, I doubt highly you will get wealthy without real estate. You need it. Is it possible to scrimp and save, make maybe 1, 2 million you can draw down in retirement from securities, equities markets? Yes. Exceptional returns? Reread what I said above. If you have an average job, 100,200k a year it's tough without real estate. I've no special skills, no new mouse trap came from me, trained in sciences, former Army officer, held a govt job. I've made several million in real estate (lost a couple too! Part of the game) part time. My passive income exceeds my job by 4x. Capital gains...much more so.
  2. To better understand real estate you should read the following books..
  3. Real Estate Investments and How to Make Them by Milt Tanzner. Excellent explanation of real estate math regarding apartment investing. You should start here.
  4. How to Buy and Sell Apartment Buildings by Eugene Vellucci. Great analysis of market cycles and how to do business.
  5. Recognize in equities, stocks, if you don't understand what an 8-k or 10-k is you are really just gambling. If you buy real estate without studying, same thing, same results.
  6. You can start by fha loan into a 2-4 unit building you can tolerate living in. I did. That 13k investment in 3 years turned into 215k which I used to fuel more deals. Great way to start. Tenants pay your mortgage, you get tax write offs.
  7. You will need to control projects, costs not unlike at work. We do these things for others, why not for yourself?
  8. Know your market. .. and the proper game for it. I'm on the west coast, LA area. Appreciation is the name of the game. Cap rates are low, but rents are going up. I understand I am attaching myself to an asset bubble. I have a successful system for that. If you are riding stocks, you too are attached to an asset bubble. Other areas of the country cap rates are high, cash flow is king.
  9. Real estate provides many, many more options for profit, tax strategies than stocks. More you learn, more you keep of what you earn.
  10. Be willing to pay for talent. I have a guy I use to buy, sell stuff who makes over 350 a year in commissions. I paid him 170k or so for what I bought. He's outstanding, cuts down the time it takes for me to find good stuff. Keeps different personalities with different goals, tempers in deals when glitches happen. They do. Always something. I also have a great contractor who does talented work cheap, on schedule. Do some repairs yourself if able. If not, observe. I used to do a lot of this work but not now, and your practice in the trades will give you perspective of price, schedule, and quality.
  11. From time to time pull some cash out however you choose. Set aside for a rainy day or to buy when time is good. Like gambling, pull some off the table after a win.
  12. Be patient. Very. Don't over pay, and never lose your cool with a tenant. They will fuck you. Just admit it's a cost of business and move on. Treat everyone fairly and professionally..like you'd like someone to treat your mother. Word gets around.
  13. Can't emphasize enough. Have a hobby you enjoy more than working day to day. Something that fires your imagination. Without it you won't have the motivation
  14. You must see it as fun, manipulating the variables, finding deals, etc. If not, you won't do it.
  15. Keep quiet about what you're up to. Naysayers abound, as do the greedy and needy.
  16. Almost 4got..had to add back in..CREDIT. Keep it clean, above 750. You cannot move fast, (maybe not at all) without it. Credit is a measure of your ability and willingness to satisfy your obligations. It's a way strangers have of evaluating your integrity. Are there extenuating circumstances? Yep. But...like hemorrhoids..

Those of you reading this thread for the sexual attraction side of wealth, yes that is here. Not like you think, only in the possession of money only tho. It's also 8n her watching you make important decisions under pressure calm, correctly. Watching how other highly paid people defer to you in conversations. Sometimes at dinner business mtgs..the extras your attorney, cpa, others throw at you, the hustle and bustle between the wives..she'll know you're a mover. That's attractive. Most women aren't stupid when it comes to the marriage's money; she knows she gets half if no prenup. But, she also knows treating you good and making sure you're relaxed and ready to make those high paying decisions is in her best interest as well.

Good luck

Gran Jamon

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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