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So my new girlfriend and I were having a small chat about her ex-bf. She just graduated and is going back to her parents house for awhile. She was telling me how he always tries to "keep in touch" and that she wants to leave him alone (by not entertaining his messages anymore) to help him move on and forget her. Keep in mind, I met her while she was still in a relationship with him. She dumped him after 2 months of us getting to know each other. She made him out to be a selfish man-child, but upon viewing his social media accounts he actually seems like a decent guy.

Anyway, the part which really messed with my head is below. This is an exact transcript of what she said.

I want to leave him alone now. I want to focus on what I have ahead. I want to leave behind everything that can't help me progress. I want you to help me in everything that can make me better in the future. You are my present and my future right now.

So basically, hmm, the way I interpreted this is she wants to monkey branch over to me because she thinks her ex is dead weight while I have the ability to help her "progress". This sounded extremely calculated, cold, and void of any empathy towards him or love towards me. After she "progresses", then what? Monkey branch on to the next beta bucks after I served my purpose "right now".

Maybe I'm overreacting but this rubbed me completely the wrong way and I can't even hamster this into anything I should feel good about.

I'm seeking second opinions on this one...

********UPDATE BELOW********

Thanks for the replies everyone.

Here's an update. I had a talk with her and told her that I will soon be very busy with a business project out of town and am not sure if I would "be able to help her in everything". I explained that I was concerned our time together might be lacking. I was phishing for her to clarify exactly what she meant by me helping her, but without actually asking. She said "I was planning to ask you if I can move in your place, since you're downtown nearby everything where I need to be, but it's fine if you're not home always".

Long story short. It sounds like she's in student debt and can't afford to rent and needs me for a place to stay downtown (where the rent is expensive, obviously). Upon hearing that, I pressed harder and said I'm not really sure if that's a good idea. The very next day, she posted the following message on her Facebook timeline.

"When things get difficult always remember there will be more opportunities down the road and there is a perfect timing for everything".

I instantly lost all attraction and interest in this girl and it only reinforces my gut instinct that this chick is a hypergamous user at the highest level. She's basically a waste of my energy and I am now talking with other women. Her only value at this point is easy sex, but since there's no longer any attraction towards her she has nothing to offer me.


[–]FlyingSexistPig139 points140 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Anything a woman says about her feelings or emotions, tack on “right now” to the end of it.

“I will love you forever, right now” “I will be by your side, through thick and thin, right now”

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

damn right

[–]alittletoosmooth9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is that kind of shit that I love coming here for. Thank you.

[–]LethalShade4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Amen.

[–]1KirthWGersen5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My ex-wife actually explicitly said that to me: "Whenever I tell you how I feel about you or anything else, you have to put 'right now' at the end"!

[–]TheRedPillRipper1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha that’s gold.

[–]uptimex1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are a genius man!

[–]ChrisMD20161 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If I had money for my account I’d give you 1000 gold Cause this is so true

[–]deathbya1000cocks79 points80 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You shouldn't be stalking this dudes social media or chat about ex-boyfriends. If she was willing to dump this guy for you she's willing to dump you for another guy.

You are my present and my future right now.

I think your gut is telling you she's bad news and you need to eject/demote and stop caring about what she's saying. 'progress' your ass towards what benefits your mental health. Trust your gut.

[–]CasaDeFranco8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

100,000 years of evolution in your gut, trust it

[–]sterquiliniis[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I "stalked" his social media to see if her representation of him matched my own observations and it didn't. I think it's wise to collect data and look for lies and deception, but it would be beta and foolish to reveal to her that I know and have collected that data. There is no knowledge that is not power.

[–]mrpthrowa234 points235 points 2 (19 children) | Copy Link

Look dude, this is what happens when you operate out of your frame.

Why would a man talk with a woman about another man, much less her ex?

Why would a man stalk his girl's ex?

Why would a man LTR a woman who is still in contact with an ex?

Why would a man LTR a woman if she does't add value to his life?

All in all, this woman has just dreaded the fuck out of you with a simple mind game.

Forget all of this shit.

What do you want in life, what are your lift stats, what is your professional life, and why are you so worried about this woman being an LTR?

[–]Chazzthunderfuked59 points60 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Doubt its a mind game. She thought she was shsring her true feelings and opening up, tellinh him he was the superior man. Instead she gave you a glimpse of the real truth

[–]Startlivingfornow35 points36 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Women play games unconsciously. They are naturally manipulative. This is their ‘skill’, if you will.

Really good example, is the reality tv show where men and women made their own tribes on an island. The men made a solid camp, while the women couldn’t stop bickering and ended up in the cold. They then manipulated the guys for fire/food/shelter.

Later on the women were not interested in repaying the debt, and were completely cold to the favour as if it had been the men’s fault for helping them

[–]rpmc834 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Which show was this?

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Bear Grylls "The Island", Season 2.

[–]Granite_Pill10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, it was one of the seasons of Survivor. After only a few episodes in, the Men had shelter, fire, food, and even had a little economy going. The Women were cold, wet, and starving.

Interesting to note that both Survivor and The Island were filmed on the Pearl Islands in the Gulf of Panama, which is a lovely 1.5 hour boat ride from Panama City. The islands they filmed on are not developed, but within swimming distance to civilization on the main island. If you really wanted to survive in the Pearl Islands, just swim to the big island, lol. There's humpback whales and dolphins all around those islands, it's badass.

[–]rpmc832 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks.

[–]Startlivingfornow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Survivor men vs women

[–]DownvotedFreethinker1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Word brah

[–]sterquiliniis[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Doubt its a mind game. She thought she was shsring her true feelings and opening up, tellinh him he was the superior man. Instead she gave you a glimpse of the real truth

Correct. It wasn't a mind game. The tone of her voice was that of a woman trying her best to convince me I'm the greatest thing that ever happened to her, while "helping him move on" mocking her ex-bf for being pathetic for trying to keep in touch with her after she dumped him. I'm certain she had no intention of causing dread by talking about her ex-bf, who I am clearly much higher than in SMV. The discussion about her ex contacting her didn't phase me one bit. It was almost as if she was phishing for me to respond with "Ohh babe, I love you", but instead my red-pilled brain started thinking about how I'm center stage in the game of a cold hypergamous narcissist.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Great points, focus on things you can control, don’t apply such a priority on an LTR so quickly, just enjoy life while pursuing bigger goals. (Just like she clearly is).

You can still date her, you can still have a lot of fun with her, but don’t treat her like she’s ‘the one’, there’s no such thing. And when she gets comfortable or you get comfortable in the relationship, eventually it will end or she will cheat and then it will end.

Her text just makes her seem honest and up front.

[–]LordFa90 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is only just going to be at the back of OP's mind forever if he chooses to proceed

Though sometimes its about enjoying the ride

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

If I had some weird reddit coin to give you for this post I would. Good shit dude.

[–]yes_kid1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a great comment.

[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev32 points33 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm seeking second opinions on this one...

If you maintained sexual relationships with multiple girls, none of this would bother you.

[–]Sonny_Luna12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fucking A

90% of the advice here is based around finding a wife. Not everyone with a vagina is a potential wife.

[–]handfulofnuts-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

90% of the advice here is based around finding a wife blue pill.

Fixed that for you.

Not sure when marriage as a goal became a thing on TRP, but it needs to go.

[–]ugluk10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How true, she may still be a part of her ex's harem.

[–]No1Buck50 points51 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She's not yours, it's just your turn.

[–]1walawalawa19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She made him out to be a selfish man-child,

Translation: He was a likeable jerk and that turned her on...

I want you to help me in everything that can make me better in the future. You are my present and my future right now.

Translation: I can't stop thinking about my ex, can you be a good guy and provide for me so I don't lose interest in you and go back to a guy like THAT!

This advice is going to be harsh but that is what the Red Pill is....she can't stop thinking about this guy and wants to blame YOU when things go wrong between you because you didn't live up to HER expectations.

You're in HER frame...it's about HER....you're now dancing around trying to figure out how to please or accommodate HER.

The whole relationship is now predicated on YOU helping HER get over this guy...

Get out.

[–][deleted] 121 points122 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Your intuition is pretty solid. She's gonna branch swing again when she's tired of the predictability and stability of your relationship. Preempt the bullshit and dump her first. Your gut is usually correct.

[–]HotHead12126 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup always trust your gut

[–]TheHyperHuman42 points43 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Listening to gut feelings should be taught in schools.

[–]Sonny_Luna56 points57 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Your intuition is pretty solid. She's gonna branch swing again when she's tired of the predictability and stability of your relationship.

Yeah. And so will any woman. And they should. What's wrong with your thinking is that you have attributed negativity to reality. Does every fucking relationship need to be an attempt at finding the mother of your future children? That's bluepill as fuck. Stop it.

Preempt the bullshit and dump her first. Your gut is usually correct.

Wildly emotional, fear-based thinking. Stop encouraging your own emotional fragility. Who gives a fuck how it turns out. If she leaves him, fine. He's his own man. He can then find another. If she cheats, dump her. Who gives a fuck.

Your advice is bluepill to the bone.

[–]McDougal529 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yep. This guy fucks. ^

[–]Aptote0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

the only thing he fucks is his hand

[–]Sonny_Luna4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol you mad

[–]sterquiliniis[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

In response to Sonny_Luna. I have strongly thought about your perspective and it reminds me of a quote from Lucious Seneca that is the following: “We suffer more often in imagination than in reality”.

I don't want to operate from an angle of weakness or fear. All women are hypergamous, so why should her Freudian-slippish admission of being hypergamous disturb me? On the other hand, the writing is on the wall. There is no doubt at this point of her intentions, so I would be extremely foolish to even consider this chick as LTR worthy.

[–]DatingTank1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you have a body that makes women feel the tingles?

[–]Thinkingard1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The guy already sees his future. Why wait?

[–]Farseer1502211 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Idk how yall are reading something so negative from that text message

[–]Sonny_Luna5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Their thinking is fear based. The idea of a woman leaving them turns their stomach. So they search hard to confirm their biases and make shit up.

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol

[–]Aggressive_Beta34 points35 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

ALL women will branch swing for the right guy under the right circumstances. You were the right guy under the right circumstances. Does that mean she’s going to do it again? Not necessarily. It depends on how high your SMV is relative to your competition. Anyone saying you should dump her just because she did that is spewing blue pill nonsense. That’s just AWALT.

At the same time, some women are better at controlling their hypergamy than others. None of us know the dynamic between you two. Your lizard hindbrain is capable of picking up on cues that your conscious mind isn’t. Your guts telling you this for a reason.

[–]Rp99716 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This. 99% of women don’t leave a relationship unless they have another guy secured. Branch swinging is part of female nature, you can’t be using this to “qualify” or “disqualify” women for an LTR. All the responses in this thread are guys with RP knowledge but BP actions .

[–]Sylvester_Sterone4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with my man. Women always have past lovers or potentials.

And so shall we.

[–]precocious_pakoda-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Not true mate, this thinking will just make you frustrated and unhappy. Some people are just selfish and wouldn't think twice before using you. Some will give up anything to be with you.

I am speaking from my own experience. I've been with women who have helped me out and been with me in times when I was at my lowest emotionally and financially. They've stuck by in my worst times. I did eventually part ways but that was my own decision every time and I genuinely loved them but things did not work out.

So, please, I urge you try and reconsider your opinion of women. They're people too, everyone has faults and nobody will behave a certain way all the time just because of a single attribute

[–]Aggressive_Beta7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not true mate, this thinking will just make you frustrated and unhappy.

I’m not even sure what this is supposed to mean. It actually relieved a lot of stress and frustration not trying to find a girl who has never branch swing in her life. When you realize they’ll all do it if you’re attractive enough then it’s not even a factor anymore.

[–]Sonny_Luna1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Did you respond to the right post? Cuz he what he said isn't really in contrast to what you're saying.

[–]precocious_pakoda1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

My point was that not ALL women are like that. That's from my experience though, can't say anything about anyone else

[–]Sonny_Luna2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe you were still high value when you thought you weren't. Everyone knows guys who don't seem to have anything to offer yet they always get pussy. There's a reason.

[–]VigilantSmartbomb0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s just sometimes I don’t care about game, sometimes I don’t care less than other times, so that’s why when people say she’s always going to branch swing I have to disagree. Some people actually like building a life together lol as long as both are continuously rising. Although I’m new here maybe there’s more depth somewhere but

[–]CaptainBW0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This fucking sub. Lmao

[–]MatSapientia11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A very typical story.

Comments are missing the correct diagnosis, applause for the ones who went for the visceral feeling to dump her.

This girl graduated newly, her life changed, she suddenly feels like her smv has risen. Rollo Tomassi calls this “the breaking phase”.

I had a very similar story. Girls in this phase are emotionally very unstable. Although she will leave that guy for you now, but that one could get her back with time and you are out.

If she’s a plate , keep her. If you can’t hold your shit together with her and expect her to be your LTR it’ll be very hard to impose your frame. Don’t walk.. RUN.

She is starting her journey with the cc ride, and you are the first horse.

Be careful not to onitis her. She’ll burn you alive.

[–]sterquiliniis[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Brilliant! I just read “the breaking phase” and you hit the target on this one. You described exactly what happened to her ex-bf. This guy was there for her during her studies, seems very supportive and all around a very nice guy, and probably expected he would be rewarded by his behavior and sincerity towards her... only to get dumped and forgotten the moment she graduates.

Our relationship is too new and I haven't fallen for her yet.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ask her "and what am I getting out of this arrangement?"

Do it for the lulz and report back.

[–]3chazthundergut8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

90% of game is actually learning to shut off the cultural programming and negative self-talk and just listen to your gut

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

All women are like this

[–]Sonny_Luna0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This needs to literally be the top comment. Not comments advocating dumping her just because she might hurt his feelings by doing something EVERY woman would do.

[–]Toxik63 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorta same situation. Except it was my gf of about 4 years. Got with her while she was living with her bf/ex (who really know besides her). Your gut is always right. Want to know how our relationship ended? The same fuckin way I found her is how she left. Disappeared one day. Found out she moved to another state to be with a guy she meet and had been with apparently while she lived with me.
This was before I was redpill so I broke all sorts of red pill truths. Listen to yourself. You honestly know the answer but do you want to do the due diligence to decide or you can be complacent like I was and get burned.

Good luck

[–]toothpickhd3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit man. You're girlfriend is trying to leave behind her ex and you are seeing something wrong with that. If I had to guess, you are extremely scared / self conscious she is going to cheat on you and you are putting yourself in the shoes of her ex. This is such beta behaviour its insane. Every girl is the same, they will leave a worse guy for a better guy. WE ALL KNOW THIS, THIS IS WHY TRP EXISTS. So what do you do, you have to make her perceive that you are great. If you constantly worry about her she will sense it, and there you go, self fulfilling prophecy.

[–]kingbigbucket9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

yup she seems crazy. That quote from her is straight hamstering. Nobody who is confident in themeselves or their situation says shit like that. If she didn't want to be talking to her ex she would just ignore his texts and he would eventually stop sending them.

[–]Sonny_Luna3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

None of this makes any sense.

[–]ugluk10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's they say you need to judge them by their behavior, not by their words.

[–]Aptote9 points10 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

oh man, what did i just read?

she isn't gf material

you are/were her branch to swing to

dump her immediately

[–]ugluk10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If she's giving him pussy, no. But as soon as she stops giving pussy, yes.

[–]Sonny_Luna-1 points0 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Stop being a pussy.

[–]Aptote1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

wot?

[–]Sonny_Luna1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Your mentality is fear based. Your advice is in the interest of preventing your feelings getting hurt. Why should he dump her now instead of seeing what happens?

I suspect your reasoning is that if he stays with her she'll cheat. Well, if he's good enough, she probably won't. If he isn't, she probably will. But to dump her now just because she MIGHT break your heart in the future is fear based thinking. Fearful people are considered pussies. Stop being a pussy.

[–]Aptote-2 points-1 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Your mentality is fear based

gtfo, my mentality is based in the reality of cause and effect. my advice is standard rp

he is not leading this relationship, he is in her frame.

talking with his 'gf' about her ex? then stalking him?

this op "got to know her' for 2 month while she was some other fuck's gf

beta as fuck

I suspect your reasoning is that if he stays with her she'll cheat...

i am not 'reasoning' anything because there is nothing to reason about. she cheated on her last bf with the op.

he should dump her now because she is a low quality woman who does not deserve his commitment.

completer waste of time and energy for him

you don't know wtf you are talking about

[–]Sonny_Luna-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

gtfo, my mentality is based in the reality of cause and effect. my advice is standard rp

No, your advice is in the interest of protecting your feelings from being hurt. You'd rather miss out on life just in case something bad happens. Fear-based thinking.

he is not leading this relationship, he is in her frame.

That's a big leap. Yes, he's not perfect but you don't have enough info to determine that. Also, that's not a reason to run away. Your mentality revolves around avoiding risk. Fear-based thinking.

talking with his 'gf' about her ex? then stalking him?

So he should dump her because of that? Jesus, you're fucking terrified of life.

this op "got to know her' for 2 month while she was some other fuck's gf

beta as fuck

lol

Then she dropped her ex for him while OP decides if he wants to keep her. Real beta

lol

i am not 'reasoning' anything because there is nothing to reason about. she cheated on her last bf with the op.

And where did he say that? Go ahead and quote it for me. I'll wait for the rest of time, I guess, since he never said that.

Dummy.

lol

he should dump her now because she is a low quality woman who does not deserve his commitment.

Based on what? The made-up narrative that you fabricated?

lol

Straaaaawman.

completer waste of time and energy for him

You sure know a lot about her. Well, who knows how much more shit you made up in your head.

you don't know wtf you are talking about

Well, I just clowned you for literally lying to support your argument.

So have a seat.

[–]Aptote1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

No, your advice is in the interest of protecting your feelings from being hurt. .. i dont give a flying fuck about 'feelings'

the error here is foundational. he was "getting to know" some other guy's gf for two months. period

that is not rp, its some twisted pua shit or something.

every journey begins with a first step. his first step was in the wrong direction and it follows that no matter how far or fast he goes, he can only end up farther on the wrong road

i did not read anything you wrote after what i quoted, because you know fuck all about trp

[–]Sonny_Luna3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

the error here is foundational. he was "getting to know" some other guy's gf for two months. period

Getting to know a girl in your social circle is beta?

no

that is not rp, its some twisted pua shit or something.

TRP advocates cultivating status in your social circle. He did that well enough that one of the girls in that circle left her boyfriend for him. That is textbook TRP. You're straight up wrong.

every journey begins with a first step. his frist step was in the wrong direction and it follows that no matter how far or fast he goes, he can only end up farther on the wrong road

This is also antithetical to TRP. TRP suggests that women are fickle and their minds can be easily changed. So even in your imaginary world where he did something wrong (he didn't), that doesn't mean he's automatically going to "end up farther on the wrong road".

Everything you say is wrong.

i did not read anything you wrote after what i quoted, because you know fuck all about trp

Of course you won't argue me, point for point. You know you're wrong.

Now sit down and stop giving advice. You suck at it.

[–]Aptote0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Of course you won't argue me, point for point. You know you're wrong.

why would i argue with you 'point by point' or any other basis?

you are nobody to me, i don't give a fuck about you or what you think or believe

this op made a mistake by involving himself with this low quality chick at all

rp is about gaming and fucking untaken single women

so fuck off

[–]Sonny_Luna-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

why would i argue with you 'point by point' or any other basis?

This doesn't make sense. You ARE arguing with me. Are you pretending you're not?

lol

you are nobody to me, i don't give a fuck about you or what you think or believe

You sure are salty for someone who doesn't care.

this op made a mistake by involving himself with this low quality chick at all

You just think all women are the boogeyman. Your mentality is based around fear.

You are a pussy.

rp is about gaming and fucking untaken single women

That's exactly what he did. Look at yourself. lolol

You have to lie to support your argument.

You are a pussy.

lolol

so fuck off

Boy, the truth really rustles your jimmies. That and the fact that I verbally sodomized you.

;)

[–]CaptainBW0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh look, you’re the faggot I just replied to up above. Mods, axe this beta shlump.

[–]garebear19959-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Of all the useless thing to say.

[–]mushroom_overlord3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Most in this thread are delusional. All women are like this, unless alpha widowed. He was probably a good guy, but a beta, and she hamstered away his being a "decent guy" because of female solipsism.

Of course she wants to leave him behind, she already found enough reason to dump him. Everything she said is subtext for "you are the better man, so I stay with you."

Its already known that when a woman finds a superior man to the one she has, she will look for reasons to leave the current one and try to determine whether the superior man will take her.

She's just having a rare moment of vocalizing something close to the truth about hypergamy. Dumping her is fine if she isn't what you want in other departments, but if your reason it because she said that, think about what you are actually looking for in a woman because I'm not sure if it exists.

[–]RedPillAlphaBigCock0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can not agree with this more. A girl is being a girl, she dumped him because he wasn't great - now she is with you - THERE IS NO PROBLEM - Just keep going and stay keep improving - This IS NOT GROUNDS FOR a breakup

[–]Sonny_Luna0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So true. Many boys in here advising him to leave because they fear women and see them as the boogeyman who comes to break their hearts.

It's disdainful.

[–]sterquiliniis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, you are right. That is why her hamster description of him doesn't match my impression of him. Her reasons almost seem petty, but I suppose when the grass is greener on the other side the old yard looks like a complete garbage dump site to a hypergamous woman of this level.

[–]watchguy453 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

So she wasn’t loyal to her ex bf , by talking to you while she was with him. Yet you expect her to be loyal to you? Lol.

You’re getting exactly what you deserve . You stole another guys gf... yet you expect good karma and loyalty? Sounds like you guys deserve each other.

Maybe focus on being a better person and the right people will enter your life.

[–]Sonny_Luna2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

So she wasn’t loyal to her ex bf , by talking to you while she was with him. Yet you expect her to be loyal to you? Lol.

He didn't say she wasn't loyal to her ex.

She did what any woman would do, ended an inferior relationship for a better one. Don't act like that's abnormal. It's natural. It's what we fucking understand here.

What she didn't do is cheat.

You’re getting exactly what you deserve . You stole another guys gf

He didn't steal anything. She made her own decision. He ex wasn't good enough so he lost her. You're just demonizing women because the very notion of hypergamy terrifies you. It shouldn't because it's reality.

yet you expect good karma and loyalty?

Very telling. You're the one who mentioned karma, not him. Your thinking is completely fear-based. It's terrible.

Sounds like you guys deserve each other.

So salty. You don't think you're good enough to retain a valuable woman. That's why this whole story bothers you. You see yourself as the ex so you're shaming OP.

Your head is fucked.

You need to be better.

[–]flashsouth1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

A very blue pilled person

[–]CaptainBW1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Truly. This faggot is replying to every top comment with BP nonsense.

[–]Aptote1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

he doesn't know wtf he is talking about, using his 3 month old account.

[–]watchguy45-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Really? Because I live my life with honor?

I’m 6’2” , an investment banker and played college basketball in the big ten. My SMV is doing just fine. I’m pretty sure I’m good enough to retain a valuable woman.

I understand hypergamy just fine. I just prefer not to steal another dudes gf and then wonder “hmm will she just dump me once she levels up”

OP would do well by leveling up himself

And actually you would too.

[–]Sonny_Luna0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Really? Because I live my life with honor?

OP didn't demonstrate any lack of honor. The girl dumped her BF. That's all OP said. You're the one imagining that he 'stole' her when nobody suggested that. And I believe you think that way because you're afraid it will happen to you. And you're afraid of that because you think you're not good enough.

I’m 6’2” , an investment banker and played college basketball in the big ten. My SMV is doing just fine. I’m pretty sure I’m good enough to retain a valuable woman.

You're definitely NOT 'pretty sure' you're good enough. That's why your thinking is fear based. You see yourself as a potential victim of being dumped. And you're disguising that fear by strawmanning. You totally made up the part where she wasn't loyal to her ex AND the part about OP 'stealing' her to make it seem as though your repulsion to the scenario is merited when you're really just lying.

You're scared.

I understand hypergamy just fine.

Well, you have yet to demonstrate that. So far, you're just bullshitting. Literally lying.

I just prefer not to steal another dudes gf and then wonder “hmm will she just dump me once she levels up”

More horseshit.

Two elements of horseshit:

First, nobody 'stole' anything. You're just a fearful person.

Second, EVERY girl will swing to a new branch if the old one becomes inadequate. You're pretending that's the exception rather than the rule. That's because you're bullshiting. And you're bullshitting because your mentality is fear based.

OP would do well by leveling up himself

He's got women dumping their BF's for him without resorting to doing anything unethical. You ought to take a lesson.

And actually you would too.

Well I'm always looking to improve. But at least I accept reality without getting butthurt.

You ought to take a lesson from me.

[–]AncientDragons1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"I want to leave him alone now. I want to focus on what I have ahead. I want to leave behind everything that can't help me progress. I want you to help me in everything that can make me better in the future. You are my present and my future right now."

So she wants you and doesn't want him. The more you let her conditional statement of desire mess with your head, the less she will desire you. If you were confident and complete in yourself and happy, you wouldn't be tripping on this. What do you want her to do? Express her eternal devotion to you and tell you how much she wants to bear your children? If she just graduated High School or College, you shouldn't want that anyway.

Have fun. Stop worrying about this chick. Enjoy the sex and the good times and work on yourself. Worrying about the ex is pointless unless she's stringing him along or flirting with him, and in that case you go fuck someone else or do something else with your time. Worrying about the fact that she branch swung to you from an ex is a good way to turn yourself and her off.

It's your turn. Have fun. Don't fucking worry. If she shows signs of inappropriate contact with the ex, move on and get someone else. Easy peasy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

it’s not “easy peasy”. it would be if there wasn’t time involved, money he spent on her involved and obviously his emotions to her involved. it would be easy peasy if he was an emotionless robot with no investment in the relationship but he clearly has.

it’s hard, but what you said is the right way to do it.

[–]lifeonlockdown1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women don’t love men the way men love women. You’re only as good as what you can do for her.

Women don’t even know their nature, but they all see men as service providers... love to them is “what have you done for me lately?” You’re the help that won’t take money for payment, so she has to pay you in pussy.

This is why they monkey branch. The “ex” boyfriend probably just cut her off, so now she’s fully investing in you (for the moment).

Your gut is right, I’m afraid.

[–]Sonny_Luna-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women don’t love men the way men love women. You’re only as good as what you can do for her.

That's how it should be. If you love otherwise, you're the one that's wrong.

Women don’t even know their nature, but they all see men as service providers...

So? I see all women as service providers. That's reality. If you're looking for your soulmate, you don't understand how this all works.

love to them is “what have you done for me lately?” You’re the help that won’t take money for payment, so she has to pay you in pussy.

Fucking right. They better pay in pussy. If not, THEN next her. Not before. That's just being a pussy.

This is why they monkey branch. The “ex” boyfriend probably just cut her off, so now she’s fully investing in you (for the moment).

Cut her off? You made that up. You know that, right?

Your gut is right, I’m afraid.

Stop pretending you know things you don't know. Also, stop lying.

And for SURE, don't give out any more advice.

[–]lifeonlockdown0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Found the 9 year old...

[–]fangisbak1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My make a girl your girlfriend who was entertaining you while she had a boyfriend? That just lacks common sense.

[–]legaxo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think your interpretation of what she said is correct. If I were you I’d start looking for other options before you get used and left in the wind

[–]Asktrpthrowaway4201 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If it doesn't sit right with you then dump her. It's as simple as that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If she'll hang out and see you on the side while already in a relationship, she will do the same to you at some point. There are two types of women, ones with morals/ethics and ones without. She has showed who she is as a person when she branch swung to you while in a relationship.

She may be sexy, submissive, and sweet, and it hurts to hear this, but she is not LTR material.

[–]Aptote0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If she'll hang out and see you on the side (for 2 months) while already in a relationship, she will do the same to you at some point.

yep, she already is or at least looking

she isn't gf/ltr material

[–]SirMarsprellot1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That weird feeling is called intuition. NEXT>

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K181 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why are you even talking about her ex? And looking up his social media?

You're frame is weak. Cut out all that bullshit, and stop listening to what she says.

Who gives a fuck about her wanting you to be her 'present and future'? What do YOU want. Take the lead, and do whatever that is.

You are totally lost in her frame.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You have to provide value, otherwise they move on.

[–]thesquarerootof11 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I think you have a problem and you are overreacting. What she said was clearly not a red flag and I highly doubt you will even maintain this relationship for at least a year.

No offense and I say this sincerely, you seem to have OCD or another legitimate mental disorder. I'm not joking here, don't get offended.

[–]sterquiliniis[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think you have a problem and you are overreacting. What she said was clearly not a red flag and I highly doubt you will even maintain this relationship for at least a year.

No offense and I say this sincerely, you seem to have OCD or another legitimate mental disorder. I'm not joking here, don't get offended.

I do have OCD and overthink things and that is partially why I posted it here for second opinions. She doesn't know anything is wrong or that I interpreted her remarks that way.

[–]thesquarerootof10 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I really don't think anything is wrong and I've been using this sub for years. You're fine, just check your OCD huh ?

[–]sterquiliniis[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I really don't think anything is wrong and I've been using this sub for years. You're fine, just check your OCD huh ?

Don't you at least think she should have said something like "I can't wait for us to start our journey together and I'm so glad I'm with you now".

I mean, the hypergamous nature is still there between the lines, but at least it isn't saying I'm her new beta for resources because her ex can no longer help her grow. It's like an admission love is not even a consideration of who she chooses to be with, only about what someone can do for her.

Can you really read what she said and not find any red flags in that?

[–]beachbbqlover0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

AWALT.

Don't be mad at the crocodile for biting when you stick your arm in its mouth. It simply is what it is. She has simply shown you what she is honestly.

Take a walk in a shopping mall and look around. Most of them would do it too, and the others are also broken in other ways.

You can either get mad at her for being what she is, or you can acknowledge it and decide to accept her for what she is and be prepared for what will come of it by covering your own ass.

Enjoy your turn.

[–]DeadHeadAhead0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The way you get em, is the way you lose em, bud. She'll leave you for someone else in the future.

[–]mickymark10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Intuition is solid but you can learn a lot from this. Relationships that don’t grow will fail. She’s just telling you the cold truth.

[–]Kabuki4310 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Eject or demote. Hige red flag, wanna bet if she finds a sugadaddy she will talk about ur thoughts on open relationship.

She's a leech and will drain you mentally and emotionally, maybe financially

[–]Kizzou0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol look at the context of how you met this woman. She basically cheated (emotionally) on her ex and then swung on over to you after she had you; the sure thing, lined up.

Date women who value loyalty and honesty and you'll limit these types of issues occuring

[–]fuckrbrasilmods0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Always trust your instincts when it comes to relationships. If you feel like breaking up, do it. About her remarks, besides the materialistic content the structure itself is shady: four statements starting with "I" (that is, her), and the final one states that you're her future "right now". Stay alert, focus on your interests.

[–]arcwhy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel like I just clicked on one of those click baity articles on snapchat.

Can you believe his gf said THIS to him...!?!?!?

[–]macheagle0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Brother, THIS is TRP. She’s doing what any woman with a brain would do. If you were a woman, you would also do the same especially if you were a redpilled one. Both genders will maximize their options and so should you. You are displaying weakness and insecurity by somehow needing her “love” for you to be “genuine” and for her actions to not be “calculating”, when in fact those are the very things that reveal your insecurities about yourself. Are you not confident in your own frame and capabilities regardless of who the woman is or what your relationship status is?

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I want to leave him alone now. I want to focus on what I have ahead. I want to leave behind everything that can't help me progress. I want you to help me in everything that can make me better in the future. You are my present and my future right now.

You saw this as a declaration that you are a means to an end. Depending on who she is and how she said it, this could either be just that, or the opposite... a declaration of fealty and submission.

You, however, are very insecure indeed... you're creeping on his social media accounts. Why the fuck do you care if he is a decent person or not?

And why the fuck do you care if she is loyal or a branch swinger? Keep her while she is good to you, discard her if she proves otherwise. Your sexuality does not have a "sell by" date. Enjoy things while they last.

[–]Gr33d3ater0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Here’s the truth. His present is your future.

[–]lonerboner1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bro you don't need to dump her. Who says dudes cant branch swing? Keep her around if she's a good lay, support, etc. She must be serving some purpose for you. But also don't not invest in another, better chick cuz you have her. If you think she would leave you at the drop of a hat for a better man, you're probably right.... So leave that bitch once a better bitch comes. Dumping her would be weak shit, why deprive yourself of pussy and be lonely when you can beat the bitch at her own game and branch swing her. Fuck the dude that said ur acting out of ur element, ur gathering data. You think bitches don't do that exact shit (stalk, research, study their prey) and act like cold, calculated sociopaths? Cuz that's exactly what they do so don't be an ignorant fuck and ignore the tools that technology gives you just cuz some guy says "you're acting out of your element."

[–]kayfab0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

red flag bro.

[–]scanfan20220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Notice how she's portraying her ex as worthless and incompetent. She's gonna do the exact same to you when you two split.

Never LTR a monkey brancher. You are disposable to her.

[–]Nov516050 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are dead on point. Keep takin those red pills.its toigh shit to accept and face

[–]binwork0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude, this is normal for a relationship ... And of course all most everything, right?

The value in the relationship is not about what u r but what you do.

He might seems like a decent guy but what u don't know is how he treated her ( and u may know if u listen to her properly )

I believe what she try to says is 'you have your chance for now. please prove she saying right about u'

[–]SpinPlates0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think this is a reason to dumb her but it's definitely a wake up call to women's true nature.

If you break up with her over this, you probably shouldn't get into another relationship ever again.

AWALT.

[–]RedSkeller0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only thing worthy of speculation is the fact she branch swung for you. Any woman willing to do this will do it again, coupled with the dialog you exchanged, she is merely honest with her intentions. You mean nothing and will be another stepping stone for her.

[–]Granite_Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Awesome post. This is textbook TRP material and you're right about everything. Good call. Can you imagine if you weren't red pilled and this happened? You wouldn't have a clue. This post should be archived for future reference.

Chicks will bring up their xbf's from time to time. I'm not going to discuss xbf's with them at great lengths, but I don't think it's a big deal to briefly discuss it and move on to the next topic.

I met her while she was still in a relationship with him. She dumped him after 2 months of us getting to know each other.

Textbook branch swinger.

She made him out to be a selfish man-child, but upon viewing his social media accounts he actually seems like a decent guy.

Of course it was all his fault. Your girlfriend is a perfect little angel and would never do anything wrong. /s

A lot of guys will tell you not to look at her xbf's social media because you're supposed to not care, but you're just collecting intel. Nothing wrong with that. I'm willing to bet learning something about a woman's exboyfriends could give you some useful insight about the woman herself.

I want to leave him alone now. I want to focus on what I have ahead. I want to leave behind everything that can't help me progress. I want you to help me in everything that can make me better in the future. You are my present and my future RIGHT NOW!

As flyingsexistpig noted below, Red Pill Law dictates anything a woman says about her thoughts, feelings, or emotions tack on “right now” to the end of it. In this case, she already did it for you right there plain for all to see. You got it in writing, bro. Could this situation get anymore textbook TRP?

So basically, hmm, the way I interpreted this is she wants to monkey branch over to me because she thinks her ex is dead weight while I have the ability to help her "progress". This sounded extremely calculated, cold, and void of any empathy towards him or love towards me. After she "progresses", then what? Monkey branch on to the next beta bucks after I served my purpose "right now".

You're right about everything! You're redpilled, bro! Gentlemen, this is using the tools in your toolbox to help you out in life. Would have been able to see this without taking TRP?

Your girlfriend is more than likely not conscious or aware of what she's doing. This is her instinctual behavior, so you can't be mad at her because AWALT. You've essentially prevented yourself from getting blindsided further on down the road when or if she swings to another branch again. The cold, calculated, callousness of her behavior has shocked you out of oneitis so you can go about this relationship with a clear mind. If I were in your shoes, I'd demote her to plate.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds great man. Don't expect her to stay, don't expect she wont cheat on you, don't take it personal and enjoy her as she is without being salty like she's wrong or bad. She is just a woman trying to make her way in the world.

[–]throwitdownman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If she cheats, she’ll repeat. Once a branch swinger, always a branch swinger. It is not as if a relationship cannot work, but I would suggest you screen for someone with less red flags than her, especially as you’re considering LTR-ing her.

[–]nicyhasreddit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Think about it.

Why is she thinking about her ex if she is actually happy with you?

[–]TheStumblingWolf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In my experience women evaluate men the same way you evaluate jobs. Pros and cons. This is something I noticed when I was married way back. When I got together with my ex she had to choices. Me and a guy who gave off player vibes. The classic Alpha or beta. She told me she chose me because she knew I'd treat her well. I didn't really think much of it back then but now I know she picked the comfortable non-attractive option because it made the most sense to her. I see it as just being nature. Just accept it and act accordingly.

[–]WindIsMyMusic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The short answer is yes.

The same thing is definitely gonna happen to you once she meets someone she thinks will help her "progress" more than you do. At least she honest about it. She did use him till the better option (you) came around, she will use you till she finds an even better option.

[–]meikyo_shisui0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Disagree with comments to just next her.

She's just telling you the truth - basically admitting to hypergamy and how she's using you (and your value) to better herself...'right now'.

AWALT, but she's actually being honest about it. Nothing wrong with that, as long as you're aware that she could do to you what she's done to him in a heartbeat. If you're confident of your SMV and ability to further improve and dread game, proceed as you wish.

You'd have the same risks with any other woman, they just wouldn't spell it out for you.

[–]uptimex0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shit-test man, underlying message is "Saying you are my now, and future, I mean you have to compete with my ex. Show as much effort as you can to make me feel better. But after you achieve it, I will dump you and return to my ex (most probably)."

What she really wants is this "I would like you to show that you don't want to please me. I would like you to show that you want me, but if I say no, you will be laid back and switch interest to another object. And that would make me chase you."

[–]Terdmuffin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, were you expecting to spend the rest of your life with her?

[–]DjCbal0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She hit you with the cold truth: Its not yours, its just your turn.

[–]Yashugan000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

why do you have a girlfriend?

she's not yours, it's just your turn. for now

[–]pepskino0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pay attention to that first break up story it will be your experience in a few years

[–]Razkolol0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

First of all, don't dump her over her telling you the truth lel. Do a cost benefit analysis, are you getting a good return on investment from the relationship? Good sex for low investment? Yes > continue, no > lower your investment. Watch what she does, not what she says, you don't give a shit about the noise that comes out of her mouth, it's just that, noise. The fact that her ex is in the picture and she thinks about him/talks to him is worrying, the fact that she's rationalizing not getting back with him in front of you, even more worrying. Proceed with banging and lowering your investment, if she brings out some of that bullshit again "sure babe, we're the future" and look for some side pieces. They're machiavellian by nature, we need to develop that shit since society brain washes us into morals and bullshit. Always look out for nr.1 fuck the rest.

[–]BurnoutRS0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You've been exposed to the true nature of women. Its conflicting with what you desire out of life, which stems from a false narrative.

You have seen that this woman is capable of caring for someone one day, and then discarding them the next. As it is your goal to have her love you unconditionally, and you see evidence that this behaviour is not in her wheelhouse, you have become distraught.

[–]blimp110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You got soft feelers if that’s bothering you.

[–]wheresMYsteakAt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

First part seems like preemptive cheating. When a woman is not interested in a man she doesn't hate him or get bothered by him, he no longer exists. Not even in thought.

I'll give 50:1 odds that the pitch of her voice curved upwards at the end of the sentences. The "purpose right now" must have sounded like a rollercoaster.

Why would she even bring it up? "Hey yeah uh just wanted to be honest with you and let you know me ex always tries to get in contact with me but I don't like it."

Aka

"There will come a time where you will start to suspect things and it would be nice to come back to this for reference;

Phone off? Turned it off because of ex Man" s voice in backgroun? Ex, my parents like him but I hate him You seeing a picture on Facebook with her and her ex at avengers end game? It was an old picture.....and my ex is good at photo shop.

[–]sterquiliniis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I just posted an update to this if anyone would like to know where it headed. I edited the post above rather than posting another thread.

[–]forsaken_in_the_dark0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This sounds like she has Narcissistic Personality Disorder. That means just one thing:

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[–]Sonny_Luna1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shut up, puss. Everything's fine.

[–]AClive220 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Listen to your intuition here. It sounds like once you help her “level up” she will not hesitate to monkey branch onto the next guy she perceives as a step up

[–]Sonny_Luna1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

once you help her “level up” she will not hesitate to monkey branch onto the next guy she perceives as a step up

Why is that a problem? If she leaves, it's because he isn't good enough for her. If she is, at any point, not good enough him, he should swing to a new branch, himself.

Your advice is based on fear and emotion. It's all an effort to prevent having your feelings hurt. Hurt feelings are a part of life. That's no reason to avoid playing with a fresh pussy for a few months (or whatever).

Furthermore, if he's bettering himself along the way, she won't want to swing to a new one.

Your mentality is all wrong.

[–]AClive220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's only a problem if he LTR's this girl. I agree with you, keep her at plate status and have fun

[–]Nergaal0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Am I the only one here who isn't shocked by this? She has been 100% honest with you. Every other woman will do exactly as she told you, wether she is aware of it or not, wether she will be honest and tell you about it or not.

You should appreciate that this woman was 100% honest with you, instead of stringing you along. I don't think she is good LTR material, but you aren't playing your cards very well either.

Would you have preferred a girl who by Biffault's law, would have done exactly like she said but not necessarily thought like this ahead of time? The only difference is that a calculated girl like this will give you a smaller buffer period when you go beta, while a "unicorn" will give you some time before she swings away.

[–]dickcomments0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

wether

Whether

[–]PinoDongus-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Never get rid of guaranteed pussy. Just don't get too attached

[–]Sonny_Luna0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a good mentality but maybe not the best for an LTR.

[–]Bone_Coat-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Start talking about your female friends and the times you go out with them, just to counter attack this shit

[–]Sonny_Luna0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Stupid advice. Stop that.

[–]Bone_Coat0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Preselection and options, i think its not so stupid

[–]Sonny_Luna0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's losing frame. You don't understand TRP. Stop giving advice and read.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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