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So I understand that 90% of mammal species have a high degree of polygyny which means alpha males have many female partners. But I'm not sure what the other 10% is: do they have a lower degree of polygyny or some of them are not polygynous at all? and is polygny correlated with sexual dimorphism?


[–]TheYellowBananas 1 points [recovered]  (9 children) | Copy Link

Polygamy being the social norm in humans are tied strongly to very dysfunctional society's

[–]HiImIncel1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

dysfunctional society's

Meaning there is no one to FORCE humans to act how their genes want them to.

[–]TheYellowBananas 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

That's polygamy in the "west". If you think polygamy in Africa or Asia have anything to do with the "natural order" you are so dead wrong.

[–]HiImIncel0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

If you think polygamy in Africa or Asia have anything to do with the "natural order" you are so dead wrong.

I'm sure there can be many reason as to why polygamy exists. And one of them is the natural way humans act. That is how it was on the past as well. I'm not talking about marriage with multiple women, but women cheating on their providers with "Genetically Healthier Men", like in the Dual-mating strategy or the Cuckoldry Hypothesis.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/bmvuwm/some_ideas_please/

If you think this is "dead wrong" please explain.

[–]TheYellowBananas 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

I don't think monogamy is the end all natural state of humans, but i think there is a greater inclination to monogamy. This is one of the downsides with this forum, to many incels, it's like people here never had relationship discussions, some people are just wired to polygamy and some are just monogamyst to the core. I mean these are clear difference in people thst come up when you date.

[–]HiImIncel0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

some people are just wired to polygamy and some are just monogamyst to the core.

I know, some only want one Chad's genes and some get greedy and want the whole set. Sex with their incel husbands doesn't even register as real sex in their heads lol. It's just the cost of doing business to an Incel's wife.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I just really need to stop going to the comment section in this community... This community is exceptionally toxic.

[–]HiImIncel0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Then hang over some statistics along with your arguments plz. Isn't this sub called BlackPillScience? Seriously you sound old enough to understand opinions need to be backed up with at least something.

[–]TheYellowBananas 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

some people are just wired to polygamy and some are just monogamyst to the core.

I know, some only want one Chad's genes and some get greedy and want the whole set. Sex with their incel husbands doesn't even register as real sex in their heads lol. It's just the cost of doing business to an Incel's wife.

Mmh backing your great argument with a peer reviewed study, 😩 i guess i couldn't hold my self to the standard i was replying to.

[–]HiImIncel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Mmh backing your great argument with a peer reviewed study,

That's because they are in the previous reply Sherlock. Check my original reply. You know... the one with the link, you know... the one you responded to with only opinions and nothing to back them up.

[–]phillipsheadhammers5 points6 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

So I understand that 90% of mammal species have a high degree of polygyny which means alpha males have many female partners

Where are you getting this from? As far as I know, the entire concept of "alpha males" has not stood up to any rigorous scientific investigation.

Also, 40% of all mammal species are rodents, and most of those don't have any kind of mating rituals or herd or pack behaviors. They just meet, fuck, and pour out thousands upon thousands of babies in the hopes that one or two of them won't be immediately eaten.

[–]sadomasochrist0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Alpha male is jargon for short term mate within the SMP debate.

[–]phillipsheadhammers5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

So if you're a mouse, running around nibbling on seeds and living your three-month mouse life before a bird eats you, and you see another mouse and she smells good so you fuck her real quick, then you're an alpha male?

[–]sadomasochrist10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Low paternal investment, no relationship, easy sexual access.

Verdict

Alpha mouse.

[–]phillipsheadhammers3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Wow. So nearly one hundred percent of the world's one trillion insects are ALPHA BUGS

How strange our language becomes

[–]sadomasochrist0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I believe there are working/status/socialization requirements for mate access in a lot of insect colonies.

[–]phillipsheadhammers1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think that's wrong. Insects don't have the brainpower for that kind of thing.

[–]sadomasochrist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

🤷🏼‍♂️

[–]ifelsedowhile[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]phillipsheadhammers1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, I think that sentence really needs to be worked on. It cites a transcript of a 1988 lecture; that lecture contains the "90%" quote and cites "Kleiman 1977."

I pulled up the Devra Kleiman paper, and lo and behold, it says something completely different: that only 3% of mammals have been reported to be monogamous, and that there is a "paucity of information" about the mating habits of rodents and bats.

Seems Wikipedia has repeated a very sloppy 1988 paraphrase of a 1977 paper.

[–]WikiTextBot0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Polygyny in animals

Polygyny (; from Neo-Greek πολυγυνία from πολύ- poly- "many", and γυνή gyne "woman" or "wife") is a mating system in which one male lives and mates with multiple females, but each female only mates with a single male. Systems where several females mate with several males are defined either as promiscuity or polygynandry. Lek mating is frequently regarded as a form of polygyny because one male mates with many females, but lek-based mating systems differ in that the male has no attachment to the females with whom he mates, and that mating females lack attachment to one another.Polygyny is typical of one-male, multi-female groups and can be found in many species including: elephant seal, gorilla, red-winged warbler, house wren, hamadryas baboon, common pheasant, red deer, Bengal tiger, Xylocopa varipuncta, Anthidium manicatum and elk. Oftentimes in polygynous systems, females will provide the majority of parental care.


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[–]sparkyyy13370 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes it's correlated with dimorphism.

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