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So a little over year ago, I got into an LTR with this HB8. Recently, she's been bringing up the "M" word a lot, and I'm just not playing that game with her. I'm only 21, and I have more important things to worry about. However, her parents are also extremely conservative and religious, and highly frowns upon the fact that I've been steady dicking down their daughter for over a year now. Somehow, they got it into her head that she should abstain from sex until I "fully commit to her", despite me being completely faithful to her up until this point (and I still am). Due to women being unable to think logically, my girlfriend thought that this was a good idea.

So I decided to play along.

One week after she decided "no sex until marriage", she's begging me to have sex with her. So instead of giving it to her, I make her wait an extra 2 weeks (one extra week because she was on her period), telling her that we're not having sex until marriage. Over the course of the final week, she was grinding on me while I was trying to sleep, and was constantly shifting in her chair while we watched a movie and my hand was on her thigh. She was absolutely miserable.

After 6 rounds over the span of 2 days (this past weekend), I don't think I'm going to be having this issue out of her ever again. She underestimated the power of willpower, lifting, and my left hand.


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[–]GirTheRobot 425 points426 points  (30 children)

The only power women have over men is pussy and shaming. Take both of those away and they're nothing. Good on you.

Reminds me of an anecdote I heard from this married guy who said to his wife that he wasn't going to have sex with her for six months and he meant it. At first she laughed but after a while she realized she lost all power and was begging for him.

It was from that "married guys post here if you hate your life blog" which is a terrific read

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 143 points144 points  (26 children)

We talk an awful lot about women withholding sex as a power play but it works phenomenally well in reverse too, if you've ever tried withholding sex from your women when she wants it, you'll have seen how over the top she starts going to get it.

Women only have their sexuality to give, by rejecting it, it is the ultimate signal to her that you are losing interest in what she has to offer. The same way that if a women starts losing emotional interest, you can bet your boots the branchswing is soon to follow.

Their only way of responding is to give more of her sexuality. She'll whip out the langerie, blowjobs, maybe even that anal you've wanted for so long.

[–]fdsafdasfdsafds 73 points74 points  (23 children)

The same way that if a women starts losing emotional interest

This touches on something quite painful. Our conquest is sex. Once we have sex we lose interest. A woman's conquest is emotional, once she has you emotionally (commitment, etc), she loses interest. However, we can achieve our aim very quickly whereas they need to insidiously invest over a very long time.. then pull the rug from under our feet when it's much more difficult for us to move on. I wish they'd just fuck us and fuck us off haha

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 72 points73 points  (8 children)

Precisely why we encourage guys to be quite stringent on their vetting processes, have an adequate pool of experience and be competent at managing their women before investing.

Most don't and they pay the price for it.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] 54 points55 points  (7 children)

You forgot dread. Having other women at your beck and call and her knowing you have these options does not only her body good, but also the relationship as she's on the tight leash in a sense. IN other words, you having options and her knowing this loud and clear means she has to keep working to keep you invested. Most guys don't do this and wonder why they get dumped or cheated on.

[–]silvertongue93 23 points24 points  (3 children)

He actually did use dread if you think about it. Him saying no and making her wait an extra long time more than she wanted to, she HAD to be thinking he had those other options even if it was just in her imagination. I am almost willing to put money on it, it is easy to see why.

He is 21, what 21 year old says no to easy and available sex from their reliable partner who is invested in him?

So she had to have thought him saying no and her trying to withhold may have started him thinking about other options. This works and makes even more sense if he never denied or said he was being monogamous with her when or if she asked him that question.

[–]BobbyPeru 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Effective Dread is a process, not an event. Passive dread is the best kind of dread. Get jacked, dress better, have game, have a social life... etc. I’ve been married 10 years, and I use passive dread. I still fuck her every other day, and she blows me before, every time. I could fuck her more if I wanted, but I’m 50, and 4 times a week after 10 years is plenty. Before she goes on a business trip, she’ll go out of her way to drain my balls many days in a row

[–]silvertongue93 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It is pretty hard to think of more effective dread than what OP did, he practically told her he did not need her and look at how she responded.

[–]BobbyPeru 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes it worked well for the event. He played it nicely.

[–]IncelNoMore 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You don't even need to actually have options. She just needs to believe that you CAN have them. If I turn my girlfriend down I can see her mind instantly fire up on all cylinders, and immediately she starts with the questions "since when are you not in the mood?", "Are you mad at me?", "Babe, what's going on????". That's like, after 1 min of denial. And then she always half jokingly asks "who is it huh?". Shit is funny

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women experience rejection so infrequently it blows their mind when it happens and they don't know how to handle it. They become the mindset of an 18 year old AFC who is used to constantly begging for pussy.

[–]ShadowInSoul 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Well the idea is incomplete: we men, aim for sex but we remain if she have other qualities to offer (not many of them have, mostly hollow). An example a friend was dedicated to his husband, cook, care, intelligent and even buy him a ps4 for his birthday when he was unemployed, she wasn't perfect, obscure reality and she was looking for him to grow up. I don't believe in unicorns although a good catch and still with all this he was blind and don't appreciate all she do for him. P. D. we are from Latin America if you were wondering :v

[–]fdsafdasfdsafds 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well the idea is incomplete

Agreed. There is a tonne of nuance involved (as you illustrated). Thanks for sharing.

[–]riggedved 14 points15 points  (11 children)

Story of my LTR. Word to word.

I emerged an learned man post that.

Successfully spinning 3 plates now, with backup options. Cheers.

[–]dominicthetiger 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I do this regularly to keep things interesting, she tells me she's gonna be a "good girl" this week, so I just laugh at her. After a while I turn her on so much she can't keep her hands off me, and then I pull the reverse card.

Works like magic and I would go so far as to say it's crucial to healthy and interesting sex dynamic, even if it's just for fun.

[–]traditional_goose -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Works like magic

True. Magic johnson knows how to work dat phat ass

[–]himanshudash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please gimme the link , i would lovw to read it .

[–]LongElm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have the link? Sounds like it's worth a read.

[–]Stutercel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That was before. Now they have cucks and big gov.

[–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (2 children)

I dont know why people are hating I found this absolutely hilarious, in a good way! Well played my friend.

[–]Sparky159[S] 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Probably because I can't write for shit. I'm so used to writing reports, that when it comes to actually writing personal details, like this, it comes off almost childish

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 187 points188 points  (37 children)

It was a shit test on her part.

You basically agreed and amplified her, showing that it has absolutely no effect on you. This in turn got her hamster into overdrive wondering if maybe you are, or would now get it elsewhere. Obviously she came roaring back once it was soundly passed.

Women only have their sexuality as a weapon, if you show that it is a need, she will withhold it to get you to be an obedient little pup.

When you show that it is not required she'll, she'll try and win over your desire with it.

[–]DreamExpedite 16 points17 points  (12 children)

u/KeffirLime Seeing that you're an Endorsed Contributor,and I respect that badge so I want to ask you a question that I believe would be fundamental to the understanding of the female mind -

In most modern countries, boys and girls are raised quite similarly, same schools, same movies, same pop culture, same storybooks and all other things, why then does a development occur in females that leads them to think and behave like we discuss here in TRP ? Why doesn't a similar development which may albeit be in a different direction occur in males ? What I mean by that is that women somehow intuitively know that their weapon is their sexuality among other such prowess, why then does the male of the same species not get this power of self awareness ?

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 37 points38 points  (11 children)

Primarily because we are not born blank slates. There's thousands of years of evolutionary conditioning via natural selection that has taken place that has shaped the behavior of the sexes. This for the most part determines how a women, or man of our species will behave.

We have different hormones and we have different bodily functions, which drives us to behave differently particularly as it pertains to the reproductive process, infact most of human behavior is shaped around this process.

For men there is no bodily penalty for having sex with a women, we can be quite liberal with the partners we engage with, without personal consequence. Whereas for women there has historically been a massive personal consequence for having sex, she will become pregnant for 9 months and have a child and have to raise it.

This has lead to drastically different approaches towards sex in it's entirety. Women have to be careful selectors, only choosing the best possible man available to them, while men have to compete so that they are able to display that they are the best possible candidate.

Men want to sleep with women and she wants to get the highest value guy. This is why she weaponizes sex, and why a high value man weaponizes his commitment.

We can teach men and women all the same books, materials, culture etc, but so long as these laws dictate the reproductive process, men and women will be born to behave differently.

[–]traditional_goose 4 points5 points  (0 children)

True. Simple Economics. In other words, So much of sperm and the dearth of eggs.

If wars were a thing like they used to be, things would have balanced quite a bit. Middle age Arab cuntries for instance, had an abundance of women, and thus made it a law for a guy to marry 4 women..

[–]mrBatata 0 points1 point  (9 children)

I disagree, even flamboyant gays act the same way women do (albeit a bit differently more of that later), it's not genetics, it's not hormones and it's most certainly not evolution, well at least in the way you mentioned.

Its gender rolls plain and simple, it's how the player interacts with the community. If you see this as a predisposed consequence of greater variables you are missing the point.

We, as men, ALWAYS WANT TO FUCK so we go find some girl to do it with, however we have standards. We're not going to fuck a fatty. hell no. We are going to go to the best we can get our hands on. That HB9. Our brain is greedy as fuck and so, unconsciously, we won't settle for anything below a 7.

This however raises a problem, we have always been limited to a small circle of peers, same as the others.

Let's use a school as an analogy. All the people you can ever possibly know in your life are going to be in that school, a container if you will. The people you are most familiar with and interact the most are the people in your classroom, and in those 25 to 30 people you have a small circle of best buddies.

Now let's assume all the people in the school have a random level of attractiveness between 1-10, if we look at that bell curve distribution we notice there's a couple of extremely unattractive people 1-3 a fuck ton of meh 4-6 and again little to nothing of attractive people. Now what does economics tell us about supply and demand?

The less the supply (supply being attractive people) and more the demand (demand being thirsty fuckers that want to get laid) the bigger the cost. This very easily explains the behaviour of the HB7++ but it doesn't explain the similar behaviour of less attractive girls. How fucking ever men don't like to share so we as men secure women in relationships [like other animals that take a long time to raise youth]. These relationships are 1to1 which forces other males "to go down the ladder" making 5 and 6s wary about their position. They notice we just want to fuck and not really care about anything else. And nobody likes to be used, even if they enjoy what they are being used for (sex).

(a good example of behaviour change due to interaction is the Nash equilibrium bar scene from a brilliant mind in the outcome where they all go for the hottie and then "downgrade" https://youtu.be/2d_dtTZQyUM)

(TL;DR) More over there's another big reason and one mostly given here and in the sidebar. Pregnancy REQUIRES A LOT OF ENERGY AND TIME so women want a "down-payment" for sex, a relationship is the safest bet for both parties. Man gets unlimited sex with little to no effort and the woman gets a guardian and provider in case she does get pregnant.

u/DreamExpedite this might be of your interest.

[–]greenlittleman 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Honestly I've just read your first few sentences.. and what I want to say is what gay men are gay even before their birth, in the first place they are gay because their hormones worked in a wrong way during embryo development, so in a sense their brain and hormones a lot like women's. So yeah, it is biology rather than any social bs.

[–]mrBatata 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I do recommend you to read it, I know gender roles sounds like sjw bs talk but I'm not talking about that. Also there's a tldr.

gay men are gay even before their birth, in the first place they are gay because their hormones worked in a wrong way during embryo development

This is untrue (as far as the scientific method goes), its still very debated why people are gay, this was indeed a prevalent theory a couple of years ago yet we haven't data to back it up, it also does not account why people change sexual preference during their life and how bi fits in that equation.

Look hormones MIGHT BE an explanation, but they don't account for everything and as far as explanations go it's the equivalent of "there is day and night because of the sun" . Well yeah it's true but... Why? How does it work?

Ps: I'm not an English native speaker so my wording might be a total assassination on English grammar.

[–]Distractingyou 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sorry but that's sjw narrative bullshit, science after all this years and we do have clues how homosexuality works. Google the birth order effect and it boils down to the mothers inmune system attacking the fetus causing the pussyfication of your son (my theory would be that the fetus decides to change it's hormones or the mother changes the hormones of the fetus to female hormone so the inmune system stops attacking cause the birth order effect doesn't happen between sisters), at the same time it has been studied a correlation between mothers who smoke nicotine and they have an increased chance of having lesbians, nicotine increases testorene in your blood affecting girls normal development (high testorene levels isn't ideal for the development of a woman).

To be fair with you there must but more nuance but arguing that prenatal conditions, prenatal development and hormones don't play a role is foolish so it's not wrong to conclude that gayness is prenatal development hormones gone wrong.

Also our behaviors have genetic traits like just google fruit flys sexuality experiment, they genetically experimented with fruit flys like causing them to become asexual (by shutting down gens), females trying to copulate with females and males looking for the attention of males while not looking for females or even bisexuality in this females cause they tried to copulate with females but were looking for males, it's actually really interesting this experiment shows off how hormones and with some science manouvier or nature gone wrong by chance you can manipulate animales behavior

[–]mrBatata 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im saying apples and you are talking oranges please read my 1st comment first.

Edit:Wrong user

Edit2: I realised now that you and the other user are focused on sexuality and I let myself get dragged to a sexuality argument when my original point was woman behaviour. So this comment is a contextual mess.

but arguing that prenatal conditions, prenatal development and hormones don't play a role is foolish

Completely agree! And I didn't say otherwise, actually I did agree that genetics can play a part in it. However I disagree that it is the SOLE REASON WHY. Genetics contribute to behaviour but do not govern every aspect of it, saying behaviour is SOLELY ruled by genetics is foolish.

so it's not wrong to conclude that gayness is prenatal development hormones gone wrong.

Indeed it's not.

Also our behaviors have genetic traits like just google fruit flys sexuality experiment, they genetically experimented with fruit flys like causing them to become asexual (by shutting down gens), females trying to copulate with females and males looking for the attention of males while not looking for females or even bisexuality in this females cause they tried to copulate with females but were looking for males, it's actually really interesting this experiment shows off how hormones and with some science manouvier or nature gone wrong by chance you can manipulate animales behavior

I believe you are referring to this study:

https://m.phys.org/news/2016-02-socialization-fruit-sexuality.html

It states that socialisation DOES play a part in it, again I'm not disagreeing with you.

Sorry but that's sjw narrative bullshit, science after all this years and we do have clues how homosexuality works.

However we mustn't go down the same path sjw go and "confirm" our bias, yes we DO have clues on why people are gay but we do not have confidence on those hypothesis.

A bit like when we realized the earth revolved around the sun we were not sure what was the order of the planets some defended venus came first than Mercury. Also we were almost sure the earth revolved but we could never prove it until the 18TH century. Again not saying you are wrong you definitely aren't and there's data to corroborate your argument.

In my opinion I think social interactions play a bigger role than many in this sub give it credit for (I'm pretty sure there's a lot of reading material on the sidebar defending my take on social interactions). Probably they work in unison as a feedback loop I have no idea. But you also have supporting evidence for social mediated behavior, one notable example was elephant youngsters killing rinos and multiple animal species adopting others and having them acquiring their group behaviours.

[–]greenlittleman 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It seems you just lack some knowledge. Read "We are our brain" book by Swaab, it have a lot of researches about human sexuality. If you want to know "why" then google relevant researches on ncbi instead of some random blogs or forums.

Humans are biomachines controlled by brain, sexuality is part of our programming. Sexual plasticity exist, but it is mostly about bisexuality. Most humans are bisexual by nature, but choose to be heterosexual due to social factors. Also sexual plasticity could influence our preferences. But it can't make anyone gay because it isn't a question about preference. The problem with gay people isn't what they are attracted to their sex, the problem is - they can't feel any attraction to opposite one. Their brains just don't have necessary structures to feel it.

Also it is easy to know if you are bisexual by nature or heterosexual. Guys who are truly heterosexual feel turned off tremendously by naked men and dicks, this is why they can't watch ordinary porn, only lesbian ones. Most men "choose" to be heterosexual though and deny their attraction to same sex because it lowers our status in a way. All those facts also proven by human's history as well. For example in Ancient Rome most men have had sexual relations with members of same sex because it was considered as "making your status higher", same practices were common through the history of humanity and even now it isn't rare in prisons of underdeveloped countries. I don't talk about women because I'm not even sure if heterosexual women exist at all, as based on most researches I seen common conclusion is what all human females are either bisexual or gay (less than 5%).

First of all it was discussion about behavioural patterns in humans and I think it is rather obvious what there are both biological and social factors. It is easy to know the difference by comparing different societies though.

[–]mrBatata 0 points1 point  (1 child)

OK dully noted, I'll add it to my to read list. Do notice however that that wasn't my original argument.

Edit: I realised now that you and the other user are focused on sexuality and I let myself get dragged to a sexuality argument when my original point was woman behaviour.

[–]greenlittleman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I could disagree with you almost about any point you made in your original post (I've read it now). A lot of guys would fall low enough to fuck a fatty and almost all guys are ready to settle for 7, or at least casually fuck her, because why not? We aren't as choosy in our partners as women, obviously because evolutionary we have lower risks by having sex with new partners. As about everything else - to me all your points seems to be unrelated to the post you answered to.

[–]dontforgetthispw 37 points38 points  (20 children)

Either that or if she’s even somewhat attractive, she’ll move on to someone who she can control with it. Very easily I might add. You guys act like relationships operate in a fucking vacuum.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 69 points70 points  (10 children)

That's hardly how female attraction works, you're projecting a masculine way of thinking onto females.

Female attraction is very singular, only once she has comfortably conquered any particular guy, does she branchswing to other men, usually of higher value.

When a guy show's diminished investment in a women he is actually displaying his higher value, hence increasing her attraction to him. She'll actually start to work harder to obtain his attraction.

The entire concept of dread operates under this banner

[–]dontforgetthispw 2 points3 points  (9 children)

Could you please explain what you mean by

When a guy show's diminished investment women

And

The entire concept of dread operates under this banner

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 36 points37 points  (5 children)

For women, they use their sexuality to win over men. By denying her sex, you are displaying that you do not require her sexuality, which in turn show's you're not as invested in her as she may have thought. This will more often than not result in her deploying more sexuality to win you over, not less.

The reverse would be you constantly show her how much you wanna fuck her, which in turns tells her how absolutely invested you are in what she has to offer. She can then use this to dangle as a carrot, to manipulate you as she pleases.

Dread is pretty much the same thing, showing interest in other women, or showing lack of interest in her. It's basically signalling to her that you do not need what she has to offer, you can comfortably get it elsewhere. Which in turn, get's her to deploy her no.1 weapon as a female to win back your affection, sex.

[–]SeasonedRP 12 points13 points  (0 children)

One thing about this post doesn't sit right with me, and makes me think OP isn't going to have continued success with this girl. And that is the absence of any indication of whether this girl perceived the OP as having other options. OP indicates that he would never cheat on her. OK, wonderful. So he's denying her sex yet she knows he doesn't have other options. That doesn't sound like he's increasing in value in her eyes. It makes him seem asexual. This time, she was horny and wanted it. Will she be this way next time? If she decides on her own to cut off sex to punish OP for something, instead of merely half-heartedly acceding to her parents' wishes, OP will be in for a long dry spell if he doesn't have other options. The point of withdrawing attention and denying sex is that she thinks/knows you are getting it elsewhere. If she knows you aren't, doing so doesn't really accomplish anything.

[–]BobbyPeru 2 points3 points  (2 children)

if she thinks you have other options and you are high value, she will go out of her way to fuck you to keep your balls drained out of fear regardless

[–]manlycooljay 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This is not always true, I've known girls who are put off by men who have many options because they want to have the upper hand themselves.

[–]volvostupidshit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, and you don't want those kinds of girls.

[–]ChrimsonChin988 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's very simple as it's just about who's less invested. aka who has more leverage.

If the man is less invested in the woman he holds the leverage. This does not mean she will never leave him but she's much less likelier to leave him compared to a man who's over invested in his girl.

[–]fdsafdasfdsafds 17 points18 points  (0 children)

When a guy show's diminished investment women

A man of high value with options, with an abundance mentality, with a mission, with himself first will not even have a woman number #10 on his priority list. His natural behaviour will demonstrate his higher value. He will not be chasing her and will not desire to. She will chase him as that's the only way to keep him around.. to remind him she still exists.

I did it with my girlfriend for almost 2 years. Never texted her first, behaved like she didn't exist the second she walked out the door every other day and she maintained the whole relationship herself.

The entire concept of dread operates under this banner

The above behaviour keeps her in the mindset of "he's about to leave". That's dread.

[–]GirTheRobot 9 points10 points  (0 children)

One way to demonstrate value is to act in the abundance mindset. If a man has already hooked up with a woman, and now he's not responding to her texts all that much or he's not as available for her (in a myriad of ways) it implies abundance. This gets the female hamster spinning at warp speed and her desire for him intensifies.

This is also basically "dread game". Like for instance if she sees you talking to other women and sees that you're still a very attractive prospect that other women desire, this will invoke dread that she might lose you and hence she'll try harder to keep you.

There were only two or three ways the OP's situation could've gone (without getting married). He could've begged her for sex, pleading that it was unfair of her to do that and her pussy would've dried up faster than water on a hot stove top. He could've just went along with it and said "okay, your call" which would've been better but still not great.

Or he could do what he did and make it known that he's calling the shots. "You wanna wait? Okay, I'll make you wait." Her hamster went into Ludacris speed and she couldn't keep her hands off him.

[–]tyronethejabrone 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Women know that sex is their only power-play.

Devaluing that causes her to really question the security of the relationship and in turn work harder to get comfort back

[–]ChrimsonChin988 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You missed half of his point. Yes women seek emotional conquest. But when she finds she can't conquer a man emotionally, thus not controlling him it only attracts them more and makes them try harder.

Their main objective is not to control the man. The whole emotional conquest/control thing is one big shit test. If a man fails it she loses attraction. The main objective therefore is not to actually control the man but to make sure she CAN'T control him by trying to control him. Because if she could control her man, that would mean he's weak.

Furthermore, a woman would (almost) never go from a man she can't control to one she can control. (although it depends on their personality, dominant women for example need a man they can boss around). Going from a man she can't control to one she can is a downgrade in her eyes. And as we all know women are only looking to upgrade...

[–]tyronethejabrone 18 points19 points  (4 children)

You act like you know women. Showing a girl that her pussy has no control over you doesn’t make her suddenly look to swing branches, it makes her want you more. Women’s sexual imperative isn’t the same as men’s. You distinguish yourself by taking away her one power-card and she scrambles.

Women are hypergamous, yet monogamous. This was a power move and she’s not just gonna look elsewhere for some easy sex if you show her she can’t weaponize pussy against you.

As long as this is an LTR this stuff is way too predictable

[–]dontforgetthispw 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I do understand women to a degree. I was with my ex wife for over 7 years, and had several relationships before that. I think we are entering different times now though as social pressure is to make women more like men(a grave societal error in my opinion). They are capable of, and do, move on, when faced with adversity. Maybe not because deep down they want to, or are fundamentally designed to, but rather because social pressures tell them it is what they ought do. Women cave to social pressure rather spectacularly, in my experience.

[–]tyronethejabrone 4 points5 points  (0 children)

One thing remains: they will always eagerly submit to a strong masculine frame.

And you gotta realize that while there is this whole ‘you go girl’ and societal push for women to ‘not settle for less than they deserve’, they have always checked out of relationships very well. It’s really an evolutionary skill.

[–]traditional_goose 0 points1 point  (0 children)

she’s not just gonna look elsewhere for some easy sex

Primarily because eggs come cheaper than seeds (sperm). Even if they don't reproduce, the psyche stays the same.

[–]BobbyPeru 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Either that or if she’s even somewhat attractive, she’ll move on to someone who she can control with it

Not necessarily. It’s almost impossible for a woman to leave a high value man, especially if he DNGAF.

[–]Zech4riah -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

I don't understand. Since when feminine sexual strategy has become part of TRP? :/

Also giving her all she wants (company, attention, intimacy etc.) without having sex seems like a lottery win for a girl even tho she was somewhat frustrated by not getting sex.

What is the reason that this kind of play from OP is good in this occasion? Guys have been crucified here because of much lesser "mistakes".

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 20 points21 points  (1 child)

It's not necessarily female sexual strategy, but rather an individual case of responding to a test by displaying abundance, lack of neediness, and even some dread by agreeing and amplifying.

He nullified her powerplay and called her bluff.

Women weaponize sex, when you show them that their weapon has no firepower, they don't go and get another weapon, they fire more shots from the same weapon.

Their strategy is very one track, to monopolize sex. Break this monopoly and she's the one working for you(by giving more sex).

[–]manlycooljay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This wouldn't have worked if she was someone who has little to no sex drive and was only having sex with him just for his satisfaction in the first place.

Then she'd have his companionship and attention without having to put out even if having less control over him.

[–]Andgelyo 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Lmao my left hand.... that’s talent dawg, I’m a full on righty

[–]Sparky159[S] 25 points26 points  (2 children)

I hurt my wrist when I was a freshman in college and had to wear a brace for like 2 and a half weeks. I was a CompSci major, so it's not like I had to write very often. However, I would not, and could not, go that long without spanking the monkey

I still write, grab, and throw things with my right hand, but beat the meat with my left

[–]frooschnate 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Mf became ambidextrous just to wank

[–]unn4med 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Spanking the monkey 😂😂😂😂

[–]omega_dawg93 61 points62 points  (5 children)

OP took the hard way out (pun?)

my plan is simpler. if she's holding out, change your schedule by just showing-up later than normal, never mentioning sex, and acting like nothing is wrong.

just 30-45 min later at the gym gets the hamster on the wheel. doing it 2 -3x per week (match it to your usual frequency of sex with her) will get her thinking.

iow break your routine allowing just enough time for you to fuck another broad. i actually did start fucking another broad but regardless it works.

didn't some actress propose a "sex strike" or something? women know they only have one good weapon against men. but they also know that another woman can fix that in a hurry.

[–]Sparky159[S] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Honestly, our plans were pretty much the same, minus the "showing up later". Simply because every person that knows me, knows that I can't stand being late. I was definitely staying in the gym longer, and hanging out with the guys longer too

[–]omega_dawg93 16 points17 points  (0 children)

it's not about being late. it's about breaking your routine to get her wheels turning.

so if you're hanging out longer, keep doing it and more often.

[–]ChrimsonChin988 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It's even easier.

When she holds out, just give her less of what they want most; attention, aka time. Text her less often, see her less often, arrive later, leave earlier etc. And like you said, don't bring up sex.

Then she starts hamstering that you're losing attraction for her and right at that moment she will be all over you again. Simple dread.

If you really want to nuke her just start not only fucking other women but also giving them (more than you give her) attention; ultimate dread.

[–]just_sauce 10 points11 points  (1 child)

they also know that another woman can fix that in a hurry.

Kinda like how there was an uber strike last week in LA. Nobody noticed because there were plenty of non-striking drivers cashing in on the striking ones.

Sometimes it helps to remind them that they're not the only woman on earth who wants to bang you, and the more subtly you can do this the better because it'll make the hamster run faster if there's more vagary involved.

[–]omega_dawg93 12 points13 points  (0 children)

every woman is the ONLY woman in her own little world. they think everything should revolve around their (fickle, temporary, fleeting) feelings.

that's bullshit. any man falling for that shit is a fool.

because of that natural SOLIPSISM, they get blind to the fact that they are indeed readily & easily replaceable.

that's why when you say, "uh... this relationship isn't working out for me... we need to end this," it sends her world into chaos.

but don't worry... you're not hurting her very badly. women get over break-ups a lot faster than you know or want to admit.

always let them know (covertly) that they are not the only party in town. do it thru your actions-not your words ie, take away time & attention.

[–]Phaeer 6 points6 points [recovered]

My experience with withholding sex have not always been as successful. Women want and urge for a man feeling desire for them, if they aren't getting that desire from you, they will just get it elsewhere. If you are with a high SMV woman, she has tons of orbiters spamming her everyday on social media.

My experience is that they will rather jump branch than admit to themselves that they did something to make them undesirable in one man's eyes. Not jumping branch and actually deal with the issue would mean she would have to take responsibility for her actions and we all know they are not keen on that part.

[–]ProkofievProkofiev2 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Might as well find out now if she's capable of cheating. Not all women are, and the ones that are will inevitably cheat at some point. Better to hurt now over something stupid vs destroyed later.

[–]Howdoiusesync 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Her thought wasn't original it came from Mommy and Daddy. With OP showing it doesn't phase him it shows the trait with him being high value. The girl was still obviously attracted to OP (Grinding in bed, would shake with his touch.) Plus the fact that she's 21 and he's displaying an IDGAF attitude helps the two go together.

[–]SKRedPill 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The key is the power equation. These same women when older will have less options. That's why mrp guys are often shockingly successful when they turn themselves around.

[–]22oregon22 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Same story for me. With my LTR ex (hb 9) she would withhold sex when she was pissed and I doubled down by doing the same. 2 or 3 weeks would go by and I usually would be the one to give in. This was before TRP and guess what, she monkey branched shortly after. She used her greatest weapon, won and moved on. I deserved to be left. I was a bitch back then.

[–]ChrimsonChin988 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think you're looking too much through a male lens bro. It is us that want to feel desired. Women don't necessarily want to feel desired they want TO desire.

I'll give you a simple, all be it anecdotal, example why you're wrong;

There are plenty of scummy druggies who are spinning plates like crazy, not giving a single fuck about the girls. They don't desire them, they just use them to get their dick sucked. Still, the girls keep coming.

Also, like you said women, especially the hot ones are desired by many. There's no inherent value in being desired and therefore it is not a requirement for them. Desiring a man is a far more valuable feeling for them.

[–]420KUSHBUSH 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The fact of the matter is there is no universal way with women, and not all of them are truly the exact same. How one must proceed with women must be calibrated depending on the woman, which is why withholding sex may work on some women while not on others (among other things)

[–]420KUSHBUSH 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hell, even trying the same thing on a specific woman can yield vastly different results one day/week/month/year.etc later. My personal experience dictates so and I'm sure others on here share the same sentiment

[–]javiercer20 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It’s NOT about playing her game. It’s about not listening to what they say. Women never mean what they say, so there’s no point playing a along with them when she don’t even remember she was the one who started it.

[–]Frontestgecko 11 points12 points  (5 children)

Being in an LTR at 21 is a mistake. You’re role playing as if you were a committed couple when you are still both children.

The terms “LTR” and “girlfriend” have not existed for most of human history. The act which you and your “girlfriend” are engaged in is called fornication.

If you’re not married or if you don’t have children with a woman then you are simply fornicating. Calling it an LTR or calling her your girlfriend is unnecessarily using newspeak terminology when there is no need to do so. I have girls I’m seeing regularly. I refuse to call them my girlfriend or even label it as a long term relationship. They know my thinking on the matter and they go along with it.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 3 points4 points  (1 child)

To be fair, for most of human history being "married" was simply saying "this woman is my wife" in front of a crowd of people (and if u were poor, just moving in together) and she was considered ur wife for all intents and purposes. Having a "girlfriend" now is like having a temporary wife like in olden times, where the only thing that denotes her as ur girlfriend is you have announced your status before a crowd of people.

[–]Frontestgecko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s true. Except now we have the inversion that we see typically done in the “modern” world. Now the woman simply says “my husband beat me” in front of a crowd of people and then your life is ruined and she is awarded cash and prizes for imploding the family. Which is why boys today use the term “girlfriend”. It’s also why the #metoo “movement” happened. Women are no longer able to sucker men into voluntarily handing over their earnings. So modern women took the route of extortion and payments for past pussy use to get their way. And “society” went along with it.

[–]think_9090909 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Exactly. Being "in a relationship" doesn't mean shit. It is just a modern invention and a euphemism for fornication. If there are no commitment or babies in the equation, it is just fornication and nothing else. People try to attach special meaning to their fornicating when in reality the real reason why men and women get together is to have babies and raise them. All the rest is mental masturbation. The modern concept of "love" is pure bullshit and don't even get me started on the "finding your soulmate" garbage. This crap never last long.

You are not your lays/notches. Nobody really cares what's your kill count. That said, go ahead and have your fun if that's what you want.

I would also add this: it IS smart for a woman to tried to get married young like OP's "girlfriend". People here keep complaining about women who ride the cock carousel hard during their 20's and then trying to settle down with a beta male when they're about to hit the wall. But when a girl is finally trying to do the right thing, according to this sub, then she's an just an annoying bitch who doesn't want to put out.

Where's the fucking logic in that? At least let her go quick after you banged her, when you know you're not gonna marry her. Don't waste her best years just because it's an easy access to pussy. You're reducing her chances of marrying young and have beautiful babies and you're increasing her chances of becoming a childless man-hating bitch when she gets old.... Unless if that's precisely your goal because you want to see western societies collapse quicker (ie. accelerationism)?

[–]Pragmaticpandas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Let her go quick after you banged her, when you know you’re not gonna marry her. Don’t waste her best years just because it’s an easy access to pussy.”

Whoooa man I think you’re way off the ball here. It seems like you think marriage is the endgame. Sounds like you’re on some Jordan Peterson shit where you think enforced monogamy is going to save us from the decline of society.

If you see fucking a woman in her biological prime as wasting her best years, you’ve missed the point of TRP. Plain and simple, this sub is about male sexual strategy (getting your dick wet), not female reproductive success (having a child). OP has a successful sexual strategy and should definitely not “let her go quick” if it continues to work. In the framework we use, it doesn’t matter if his girlfriend is reproductively successful.

I’ve never heard any argument remotely related to TRP that says the “right thing” for women to do is to get married young. Actually, I imagine most men here would prefer they keep on sucking dick well throughout their prime, and then hit the wall and marry a beta bucks. Why? Because this enables more opportunity for sexual success for high value men than in your scenario where women start pairing off when they’re 20. Make sense? Curious to hear your thoughts.

[–]EkMard 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Re-read the "How to Manage Your Bitches" article by HSP present in the sidebar. Hold good frame. This girl sounds like she may be relatively undamaged psychologically.

A question for others: Should he tell her parents someday that marriage is dead, and if that if she keeps having good girl game, then the best that can happen is that the LTR continues?

Girls in their teens should be made to read Whisper's RPW posts to learn how to keep relationships and stay happy.

[–]BazingaBen 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Never show your hand. Let them think you're playing their game.

[–]Standgrounding 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Holy shit you annihilated her man

[–]TheFoxxi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As Patrice O'Neil said: You have to fight her emotions with your logic. Well done OP.

[–]PM_ME_Y0UR_B0OBS_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

“I don’t need your pussy, bitch, I’m on my own dick.” -Ye

[–]Dandeeasalion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Poor choice of words in the title lol. Great post though

[–]FaustoLG 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just take care if she claim being pregnant, do a DNA test first... Christian females are not quite religious...

[–]ShadowInSoul 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A round of claps for this gentleman!!

[–]Gnosiis_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice. This guy wisely understood something all men should know - pussy ain't shit.

[–]Managicall 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You can beat women

See guys this is why we are in Quarantine. Lmao

But seriously bro this is dumb, just attack the fidelity of her parents relationship until they fuck off back to managing their own shit. Sign them up for some playboy mags, send a few erotic phone calls. And ultimately destroy their bedroom.

[–]KarlskyWB 7 points8 points  (8 children)

Doesn't seem that TRP by me personally. Seems mostly that you are fucking yourself over just to be petty, not red pilled at all.

[–]TwentyEighteen 35 points36 points  (1 child)

thinking that abstaining from sex for a few weeks is fucking your self over sounds bluepilled to me. A bluepill is controlled by and dependent on sex

[–]KarlskyWB 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm more talking about the reason the guy did it. He wanted to "play her game". That is just pettiness and bluepilled as fuck. Someone redpilled wouldn't bother playing the female game, and would just hold his frame all the way through.

[–]Sparky159[S] 72 points73 points  (0 children)

Personally, I believe in the "you don't have to win every battle to win the war". The goal for me in this was to strip her of her control of our sex life, and put it back in my hands. If you allow women to control the sex, you've already lost. That is one of the basics of red pill

The one month of lost sex is nothing compared to the months of torment that would've followed if I had allowed this to go unchecked

[–]Hombremaniac 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Still a lot better than if he just went "good guy"mode and married her on the spot, no?

Then again it remains to be seen, what happens in the future.

[–]FearGarbhArMait 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I agree to a degree. He did regain control over their sex life. Though, with my drive I would be fucking side chicks during that time.

[–]Sparky159[S] 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Sex isn't important enough to me to lose my honor like that. If I'm in an official relationship, I'll be faithful

However, if this was just a plate trying this, I can promise that I would've blocked and lost her number instantly

[–]BACONisKEWLEST 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Good for you man, there’s more to life than pussy.

[–]darksidessj25 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn, I got so many girls that are attracted to me right now thanks to the Red Pill/Game. I have never been happier in my life. I'm enjoying every fucking day. I do warm approaches and those girls get right up in your space when you flirt with them and turn you the fuck on. I met another one today who down scanned me and walked right up to her and introduced myself. God, I'm a fucking addict. Thanks for sharing the info it's going to be useful if this ever happens.

[–]throwlaca 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You are playing a dangerous game.

[–]starkfuture 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As Madeye Moody says, "Constant Vigilance", most bitches will simply cheat and feign abstinence.

[–]Ass_to_grass_son 1 points1 points [recovered]

I'm sensing a fake post. Not because the content is not possible, just from the way it's being told.

[–]Sparky159[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Writing is easily my weakest skill

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Question: are you left handed?

[–]Sparky159[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Only when I need to wank

I mentioned it elsewhere in this thread, but I hurt my right wrist a couple years ago, and was in a brace for a couple weeks. So I switched hands to compensate, and that “skill” stuck

[–]SEANGUADRON 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And then the whole auditorium stood up and clapped lol

[–]iloveyoudeft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lmao this happened with my ex gf frequently. i just showed her that i didn't need her attention and she'd come running back every time

[–]jonpe87 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ass, tits and pussy is all they have.

[–]red_matrix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're playing with fire, if she is an 8, she could easily go out with her friends and get unlimited dick thrown in her face. Or just go an Tinder.

[–]TrannyFreak 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Weak shit. You can beat women by actually beating them. :)

[–]omen_tenebris -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What if i just want to beat women?

/s

EDIT: miss read the title to "can't"

[–]Aesthetik_1 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I‘m confused do women have an actual sex drive now or what.. I’m hearing statements and anecdotes for both sides , but it’s not like they need to release anything like we do. While my girls never decline sex I’m still not sure if they actually need it frequently

[–]Sparky159[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

From my experience, women don't need sex. What they need is validation, which they get through sex

[–]Andgelyo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, they love to get fucked as much as we love to go hump everything we see. Go on tinder, and hook up with some thots and you’ll see women are just as horny. Case in point, dating this girl who is a prude. After a few months of dating finally banged the shit out of her and she ended up eating my nut and cumming multiple times from getting fingerbanged. All I heard last saturday night was “just like that” lmao to the point I was replying to whatever my brother asked me with that response LOL

My brother: “The dinner I cooked was good bro?”

Me: “just like that”

My brother: “Yo we gonna chill tonight?”

Me: “just like that”

😎

[–]14Einsatzgruppen88 -1 points0 points  (7 children)

Unsubbing from here. All you accomplished in doing was coming off as a beta, subdominate pussy. She was most likely testing you to see how much you valued yalls sex life. expect problems to arise from this, she will most likely lose interest in you now.

inb4 "no she was trying to weaponize the sex"

inb4 "no its a good thing to be this way it makes them want you more"

inb4 "shes def not gonna cheat on him now bro!"

[–]ChrimsonChin988 3 points4 points  (5 children)

He was calling her bluff bro.

Nothing beta about that.

Demanding her to have sex with you, shaming her and giving her drama would've been beta.

[–]14Einsatzgruppen88 -4 points-3 points  (4 children)

nope, you are wrong. she now thinks he doesn't want it that bad, so she will find someone who will. Thats how it works, dont try to argue it

[–]MindFuktd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agree with you here. Prime example of misunderstood and regurgitated dogma on this sub.

Proper dread is the answer, is it not. As Rollo puts it: "spin more plates"

[–]0kool74 0 points1 point  (2 children)

and you're a fucking idiot once again. He didn't torpdeo his sex drive, he used her stupidity against her. Now if that turns her into wanting strange dick, once again she has herself to blame.

[–]0kool74 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah you need to unsub because you're a complete fucking idiot!

Women use sex as power and control, and he removed that power and control from her. If that isn't RedPill then I don't know what is. But what I do know is you're a fucking idiot!!!!

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[–]Sparky159[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If you can’t batter the women, how the fuck am I supposed to bake them a cake then?

[–]CaptainBW -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

This is some of the gayest fucking shit I’ve ever read on here. The thesis is solid, but what the hell is this story? Why are you even in an LTR? What’s with the random comment about lifting at the very end? This reads like some sort of AI bot that’s trying to learn the lingo of this sub, yet still hasn’t read the sidebar. Shocking.

[–]Stationarity -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

Looks like her parents' fears are justified.

[–]Sparky159[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re not wrong by any means

[–]1empatheticapathetic -3 points-2 points  (12 children)

Wouldn’t she just fuck someone else? That way she wins and gets to keep you.

[–]Sparky159[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Due to being raised in such a conservative and religious household, shame is a very powerful idea that is constantly invading her head

[–]420KUSHBUSH 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ever wonder why one girl is trashy and sleeps around without any self-respect while another girl is the opposite? Look at her upbringing and her parents, there you will find your answer

[–]1empatheticapathetic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So this is more of a unique situation then, opposed to standard AWALT.

[–]mrp_awakening 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Women don't want sex by itself. That's an easy goal for them to achieve. They want sex that's hard for them to get. High value sex. Withhold and suddenly you become high value. She'll want you, but not others.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They also want to lock down an alpha and turn him beta. What’s more beta than agreeing to no sex just to stick around with the girl.

There’s more nuance to my issue with the post than is being addressed.

[–]mrp_awakening 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can see that point of view. However, I think why it worked for OP was he didn't just agree. He agreed and amplified... i.e. took it further than she wanted it to go and destroyed that frame in the process. She realized it was a stupid frame and discarded it. It was a power play (I can hold out longer than you, you have no power over me), and was a gamble... if she was doing that because she wasn't into him I agree she'd find someone else that gets her going.

Also, I see what you you mean by sticking around with the girl... but doing it for ~2 weeks is one thing. It'd be beta if it got much longer than that. It stopped being beta when it was obvious the table turned and he was the one holding out on her.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

all women can fuck someone else no matter they get sex from their partner or not. What matters is will she fuck someone else because you can not satisfy her or because you are not willing purposefully and holding her by the pussy (literally) and not letting her cum until YOU decide it's time.

Worrying about her straying is stupid blue pill mentality. Don't worry, if she cheats, she cheats NO MATTER WHAT because AWALT. What matters is your frame and OP showed that he's in his own frame, not hers.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Absolutely.

But imagine the situation where a woman tells her alpha “we aren’t Fucking anymore”. And the supposed alpha agrees.

In her mind, she’s got him down so well, she can start calling the shots. She has betaised him, because she took away her one asset and he stuck around.

What does this do for her perception of him? Even if he isn’t really beta, she thinks he is one.

She can scratch her itch for sex with a new partner while her LTR thinks she’s not doing anything bad. She can theoretically keep this up for as long as he wants. What happens to OPs theory when she isn’t interested in sex with him anymore?

OPs theory only works if she doesn’t cheat. He can’t control whether she cheats or not. The only route for OP to take is to see other girls as a result of her abstinence, and that she knows it somewhat.

[–]MindFuktd 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Exactly. He's just a beta patting himself on the back because he thinks he 'soft-nexted' his ltr...

Dread + plates is the answer, nearly always.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s up to him to lead his LTR. He can take a risk and win aka the post but it’s not the correct path for a reason. It’s too unique a situation to be able to call a rule from.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes exactly, there is no point in trying to control, just be ready for the worst and despite this, this isn't the worst thing. If she cheats, and you find out or just sense with your gut that she did you have all the power to leave immediately and not waste time anymore.

And for this reason having options and constantly flirting with other women (not cheating but seducing them and leaving it at that, without sex) keeps a man valuable and on the edge.

[–]pacjax -4 points-3 points  (6 children)

dont agree with turning down pussy ever in an LTR cuz girls can get dick from anybody.

[–]Sparky159[S] 5 points6 points  (5 children)

You shouldn't have to worry about that if you have a girl solidly in your frame, and under your leadership

[–]SeasonedRP 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Why, in the first place, did she tell her parents you two were having sex? Why didn't she just say you were waiting? That's typically not the kind of thing girls tell their parents, particularly parents like hers.

[–]Sparky159[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Her dad has his suspicions, and she’s a major daddy’s girl. If he asks, she can’t lie to him

[–]pacjax -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

to your knowledge it worked out in your favor and I'll give u the benefit of the doubt that she didn't seek sex from another source but I would never recommend someone do that unless they have advanced game

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

if a woman wants to cheat lack of sex isn't gonna be the reason 99 percent of the time. It's lack of respect to her man. And since he showed her that he has all the power, she now respects him even more probably.

She can get sex anytime for any reason and it doesn't matter you fuck her good or not. The trick is not to worry about it too much since if she cheats - good for you, you can find a better and more loyal woman then and leave this trash behind.

So either way, OP wins.

[–]pacjax -1 points0 points  (0 children)

>if a woman wants to cheat lack of sex isn't gonna be the reason 99 percent of the time. It's lack of respect to her man.

this is true but only because it coincidentally happens to be for this reason. women cheat on their mates overseas in the military very often. usually men don't deny sex so it won't be because of lack of sex

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