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[–]gfour126 points127 points  (45 children) | Copy Link

What are we to make of the possibility that women, far from anxious guardians of monogamy, might on the whole be more like its victims?

This is about to become a prevailing “social justice” issue and we’re all fucked

A lot of you also need to realize something about the “black pill.” Some of you seem to think that spreading it will lead to validation for you, and that once society as a whole becomes blackpilled enough, people will agree to a reversion to more traditional values to keep the blackpilled truths in check. The reality is that once women know the “blackpill” it will only accelerate and they will use it to justify all of their behaviors as natural and make questioning those behaviors tantamount to enslavement. Picture it, a cheating wife going “I can’t help it, I’m only attracted to the top 15% of men and you just aren’t that, honey. Look, it’s scientifically proven, you want me to be happy don’t you? You can’t control what I’m attracted to. I still love you though let’s just open up our relationship”

[–]betanoire72 points73 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Open hypergamy at its finest.

[–]Vrishkin 1 points [recovered]  (11 children) | Copy Link

Good thing the good Lord made one gender physically capable of keeping his creation in line

[–]DataEast1-1 points0 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

What the fuck are you talking about? You're starting to sound like an "incel". Keep that school shooter neckbeard rhetoric out of here.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Fuck you.

[–]DataEast1-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Fuck you too.

[–]RegRobillard 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

What's your alternative suggestion to keeping women under some kind of male authority? It seems pretty clear based on the info here and elsewhere that letting women go free, relative to men, creates the miserable situation we are in now.

[–]DataEast10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's your alternative suggestion to keeping women under some kind of male authority?

Yeah no wonder you don't get any play. Mindset is fucked up home boy.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

AHS linked to this. Congrats bro. Don’t let the subhumans get you down.

[–]TotesMessenger-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Druidofodin 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow

[–]RegRobillard1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow. Just wow. Like oh my gosh.

[–]ManicDipshit58 points59 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I’ve seen this discussed on other forums as well, there’s really not a good reason to think that open relationship/women openly fucking other men isn’t going to become a feminist/social just type issue in the future. Feminism, as far as I can tell, is just about granting women the ability to do whatever they want without facing any criticism or social disapproval. The idea that it’s about equal rights is laughable, they have every single right men have and oftentimes more.

So there’s no reason that I can come up with that you couldn’t reframe male jealousy over cheating as some sort of pathology (whatever the proper term would be + phobia added on to the end of it). Even if you were to talk about relationships as either implicit or explicit agreements between the man and the woman to remain faithful to only each other, I could fully see certain types of relationships being described as inherently coercive or the power imbalance being too large for the woman to make a proper decision (so if a rich guy is married to a woman from a poor background, that relationship was founded on a fundamental power imabalance and she couldn’t reasonably consent, same with age gaps that are too large). Keep in mind this is already done with relationships that result from people that were formerly teacher and student.

[–]gfour19 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So there’s no reason that I can come up with that you couldn’t reframe male jealousy over cheating as some sort of pathology (whatever the proper term would be + phobia added on to the end of it).

Whorephobia is already a thing 😉

[–]ManicDipshit19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I know you’re joking but we could probably sit here and come up with a coherent narrative that uses the all the right words and phrases that would have women out protesting or posting to their social media all about it. You could talk about the fact that male jealousy causes violence against women, males being unable to accept rejection causes violence against women, male jealousy is responsible for women’s unhappiness later in life as they force the women to stay away from other men due to jealousy. Male jealousy results in males exerting dominance over women and oppressing them.

[–]gfour9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You’re 100% right. We also have to admit that the problem isn’t women, it’s weak men. You can’t blame women for finding justifications to do what they want, you can blame cucked faggots for disregarding what deep down, they want so that they won’t lose all access to potential holes to fuck.

[–]BoskOfPortKar2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No Goreans on Earth.

[–]SquidCap1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminism, as far as I can tell, is just about granting women the ability to do whatever they want without facing any criticism or social disapproval.

feminism/ˈfɛmɪnɪz(ə)m/noun

  1. the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

Does not seem to apply to your definition. So, as far as i can tell, you don't know what "feminism" actually means. Maybe you should study the words used and look up what the concepts are you are arguing against.

The idea that it’s about equal rights is laughable, they have every single right men have and oftentimes more.

This is about 100% incel/MRA bullshit.

[–]ManicDipshit8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are mentally handicapped lmaooo

[–]bigbellywhale 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

You're also forgetting the "honey, lets get a sperm donor, I love you and all but we need to think about the children, we need 6'2 white chad sperm." The more common the black pill is the more people will justify this stuff.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Being alone forever > sperm donor cuckoldry >>>>>>>>>> creating my own degenerate incel sons

[–]Daniel07397 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’d rather never have children... can you imagine how they’d suffer with my genes! My weak chin and bug eyes and Alopecia.

Fuck that, me making children would be an act of immorality.

[–]_worst_friend_ever26 points27 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

The disgruntled 80% could theoretically resort to less civilized methods to get what they want and also justify it as natural.

[–]Carkudo18 points19 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Law enforcement will not side with them though. More realistically, a mainstream attitude in support of polygamy and polyamory will destroy the institution of marriage thus depriving women of men's providership. I wonder how the SJWs will tackle that.

[–]gfour24 points25 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Half the problem is that male providership no longer exists. Among the lower class, women go into medical and service jobs that are abundant whereas men are mostly unemployed, having lost manufacturing and labor jobs. Among the upper class, women go into university at higher rates and can make as much if not more than their male counterparts.

[–]Carkudo9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Providership is necessary to push the idea that women shouldn't have to work into the mainstream. After all, if women shouldn't have to work, there has to be some other way to finance their lifestyles. In my country feminists have resorted to pushing the traditional monogamous marriage narrative, but if polygamy/polyamory becomes mainstream, that can't work.

[–]redmanticore20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

well, atleast mra´s are sort of happy, no more marriage for them, or anybody.

[–]_worst_friend_ever11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Bachelor tax?

[–]Carkudo5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But it will still need to somehow be redirected to the women.

[–]red_matrix6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I’d argue we’ve already destroyed marriage for the next generation. I don’t see how Gen Z will be able to have stable, long term relationships in the modern era. Most of these guys are addicted to porn, regular sex doesn’t do it for them.

[–]Carkudo10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Marriage is still seen as normal and expected, but I don't think that view can remain tenable if we start viewing women as inherently polygamous - there's no point and no benefit in entering into a monogamous union (i.e. a marriage) with someone who is polygamous and whose inalienable right to be polygamous is recognized by society at large.

[–]red_matrix10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Marriage is no longer expected, in fact - being a strong, independent woman (that can getin vitro fertilization) is being normalized. Throw in dating apps, hypergamy and feminism and there you have it.

[–]Carkudo-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, it's still expected, as is providership. And if feminism starts moving into "women shouldn't have to work" territory, providership will be required.

[–]red_matrix6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, it's still expected, as is providership.

What planet are you living on? Marriage is 100% not expected these days.

And if feminism starts moving into "women shouldn't have to work" territor

It's the opposite, the whole "Woman can do anything men can do"

[–]gfour-3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ya go for it lmao see what happens

[–]_worst_friend_ever11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Society is breaking down...it could happen.

[–]gfour16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Unfortunately what’s much more likely to happen is the 80% settle down into their lives of substance abuse, mass media consumption, and video games and don’t make much of a fuss.

[–]red_matrix5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Already happening.

[–]SophisticatedBean6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I doubt it. SJWs and feminists have already squandered their power and reputation by their lying and biases. Also, admitting women more choosiness would contradict the egalitarian idea at the core of SJ as it would obviously be unequal. It's a very weak position.

[–]thatzombieoverthere4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

/thread

[–]Daniel07391 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

High IQ

[–]gfour62 points63 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Women cannot be pigeonholed; the glory of human sexuality is its variation and flexibility. So when we speak of desire in the future, we should acknowledge that the fairer sex thirsts for the frisson of an encounter with someone or something new as much as, if not more, than men do—and that they could benefit from a gray-zone hall pass, too.

Just get cucked or you’re a controlling abuser

[–]Spacejams139 points40 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Are you seriously trying to claim women in 2019. Remember it's just your turn

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

In the small town where I live, men outnumber women heavily so we're experiencing late-stage hypergamy: astronomical teen pregnancy rates, almost all women above 20 are single mothers and there are still multiple chadlite betabuxxers fighting over them. The guys have a saying: "Around here nobody breaks up or gets divorced, they just lose their turn." I'm still waiting for my turn.

[–]vbhj0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

get out dude

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why? The hypergamy is only a problem if you are pursuing a relationship. I love it here because there's a lot of public land teeming with wildlife for hunting/fishing/camping nearby. It's great for solitary folks who don't socialize.

[–]comptejete8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's a quitter's perspective. It's just her turn with you.

[–]Spacejams12 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My man!

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I hate this clown world. Why can't we all just be living happily with our looksmatches til death do us apart? Instead women have to fly around searching for the best genes to harvest. I used to want to get married, but now it just seems like it would be a never-ending struggle to keep her interested in my genes. Fuck evolution, fuck sentient life, fuck God if he exists.

[–]BaroquenMusician9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thirst (Tanha) be the root of suffering (everyone’s suffering really)

[–]APGreezy952 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They’re designed that way as a way to better the human race. Women are the primary reason for evolution. Whoever designed us as a species certainly had a long term goal in mind, and that goal was for the species to constantly improve, as in get more and more physically attractive. If it were up to men, we would all reproduce, but the problem is the species would stay the same in terms of quality. Women are designed to only want the best as a way to make sure we keep cutting off the shitty crust of the sandwich and maintain the good quality bread.

It’s sick and it sucks but without that same evolution imagine what the human race would look like. God certainly has a sense of humor.

[–]eduardkoopman25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

stultified

What a stupid word choice.
Women feel more caged in a long term exclusive relationship, and want to have sex with other men. That's what it is.
Long-term commited relationships, are often provider type of relationships. Where the man is fulfilling the provider role, and satisfying a woman her want for security. But it leaves the desire for "the genes" of hot looking men unfullfilled, or if she has a hot man at some point she want other hot men.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Western civilization failed the shit-test hundreds of years ago. I pray that Allah unleashes the horde of roaches upon us to end the reign of cucks and restore patriarchy and masculinity.

[–]red_matrix15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hypergamy will crush Islam, it’s already happening in parts of the Middle East.

[–]lahire875 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

based and invasionpilled

[–]The_Semen_Jihadi6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

this is an article for the ages...free women from their own delusion that marriage will make them happy

[–]incelicious6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't think that's why women get married. They do so for the status, and, of course, money - even if they have their own money prior to going into marriage. It seems marriage is quickly becoming something the more well-off women do to increase their wealth and status. They can always get Chad on the side with or without her husband's consent.

If monogamous marriage fails, the government will have to open up marriage to polygamy and other "alternative lifestyle" and cuckoldry so they can maintain - at least financially - the system. Without some base to build on (which used to be the nuclear family), no one will be buying houses, pooling their money, buying big assets and earning equity - the failure of marriage will kill society. Wealth depends on it.

So they will keep pushing this "let your wife have 'gray area hall pass' to fuck other guys" narrative on how getting cucked is awesome.

[–]The_Semen_Jihadi3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

what if a significant amount of men...let's say 10 percent refuse to marry, refuse to go into long term relationships...What will happen? Government will forcibly recognize their short term flings, fuck buddies, one night stands as marriages? I say 10 percent, because it is quite believable that 10 percent of non-incel men may decide to go MGTOW...what if these 10 percent even decide to be celibate? certain eastern religions have inexhaustible resources regarding how to lead a celibate life...and given the state of the West, how long things can continue before everything collapses? I give max 50 years

[–]incelicious6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They obviously would not recognize flings and fuck buddies, but they will eventually have to recognize polygamous relationships/marriages and give them incentives to settle down and invest in homes because that is the backbone of the Western economy. They'll do this as more men become incels that can't get married or MGTOW that shun marriage, all thanks to the hyperinflation of the status of the Western woman. Chads and wealthy businessmen will form harems of legal wives while the average betabux will be forced into a polyandrous cuck marriage with some fat, tattooed roastie and her fuck buddies. Incels and MGTOW will just be left to rot alone with their copes.

This is so things won't collapse. And they won't collapse. There's too much money at stake. Things will simply become more degenerate. Billionaires will rig whatever system they can to maintain their status and wealth and to even get more of it.

[–]The_Semen_Jihadi5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

at what point do virile Muslim men from Afghanistan,Saudi Arabia etc invade and take over everything? I think I might see that in my lifetime...Female sluttery is the biggest anathema to them..I am 33...If I live till 80...there is a high chance I might live to see a 476 AD Roman Empire style collapse...what do you think?

[–]vbhj1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Personally I think these virile men will end up just like us as is the case at the fall of the Roman empire up till now. Probably faster due to technology accelerating and copes becoming advanced dopamine releasers. Hundreds of years ago there really wasn't much to do besides mating other than scholar, monk, or alchoholmaxxing.

[–]UltimateCurryCel8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Basically men are better at GTOW

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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