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PARENTINGRed Pill Parenting? (self.RedPillWomen)

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I have a son and a daughter. They are getting to that age where they are starting to get interested in the other sex. I feel that our society is filled with toxic materialism and I'd like to guide my children so that they understand Red Pill wisdom on a much quicker timeline than I figured it out.

What are the bad influences that I should be aware of? What are some good influences that I can encourage in their lives? Does anyone know of any articles that talk about Red Pill parenting?

Thanks

(Thanks so much, to everyone that replied. It is amazing to be part of a community where you can ask a question and have so many people take the time to share their insights. Hooray for r/RedPillWomen!


[–]AngelFire_3_1415651 points52 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I too would like some Rid Pill parenting sources.

I will say this much - much of the toxicity in the world revolves around external validation. I am trying to teach my little daughter that by virtue of the fact that she exists means that she has value. Validation should come from within, and not from external things (material, others opinion of you, etc).

I feel that this is an important lesson to learn at an early age, and I would have had much less pain in my life if I had learned it earlier.

[–]catipillar29 points30 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll always remember that the number 1 reason why I listened to my Mom's advice about boys was because I just liked my Mom so freaking much. She would teach me through stories...she'd tell me examples of how the boys at school would go for her because of her chest and they'd tell her all of the things that she wanted to hear but she was too smart for them. Then a girl would fall for it and those boys would go and ruin her reputation but not my Mom because she was always smarter then the boys. Those lessons were very impactful to me when I was young because I just liked my Mom so damn much. She never judged me, (not when I was young, at least) and she would support me, ask questions about my interests...she treated me like an individual which is why I was always, strangely, so absorbent toward the stories she told me about boys. I know it's not a source, but it's very useful if we can really reflect on our own upbringing and identify any kernel of use in it so that we can emphasize the benefits of it when we're the one in the driver's seat.

[–]ManguZa1 Star13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not as sure as you about teaching inherent value. It's what lead children to not study, not make effort, not try anything... because they're perfect as they are and nothing else is worth enough to achieve.

Not saying we should say to our children that they're bad or not good enough, or that they should seek external validation. But there are a balance. I tell my children that they have qualities and a potential that they should use, and work hard with those to obtain a fulfilling life. It'll not fall from the sky.

[–]RivorndisAstrologX1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it is like all things in life, the dose makes it poison. Inherent value - yes, in spades. But instilling the hunger for reaching (academic) excellence needs to be nourished too. Especially in young girls as they are way quicker with letting it fall to the wayside.

[–]Kara__El4 Stars47 points48 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

Don't give them smartphones. I work with teens and some of the most toxic influence comes through their phones. The bullying never ends, not even when school let's out. The sexual solicitation is constant. Boys trade nudes of girls like playing cards and girls are just expected to send them. Teens are addicted to porn in shocking numbers, giving them unhealthy and unrealistic sexual expectations. Some teenage boys are already showing signs of erectile dysfunction from this over exposure.

Teenagers' brains do not function like adult brains. They're as different from adult brains as children's are. They cannot comprehend lifelong consequences and there are so, so many that start with a smartphone. I'd suggest keeping them out of your child's hands until they're 16 and then allowing them one so that you can help them to use it responsibly before they're on their own. Most importantly, it's your phone, that they are using. They have no right to privacy on it, because that's simply the nature of technology.

[–]AngelFire_3_1415628 points29 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I completely agree with this. Smartphones are for adults, not children. I saw an article a while back that many Silicon Valley executives don't allow their children to have smartphones.

Smartphones can be difficult to monitor even with parental monitoring software.

[–]bel_esprit_21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m friends with a very successful Silicon Valley exec (his product is a household name). His kids have old Nokias.

[–]Kara__El4 Stars14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It really is telling how many of those guys warn against smartphones. My husband and I have actually considered getting rid of ours, but it would be a bit silly to forgo all the benefits, such as navigation, timers, cameras, and music players that we get. We've just heavily weeded our apps and we both read from Kindle Paperwhites.

[–]19_LadyScarlet_90 1 points [recovered]  (19 children) | Copy Link

Agreed! Although my husband & I are going to take it a step further & say no smart phones until age 18, & they can buy their own & pay the bill. They'll get a basic phone for calls/ texts when they learn to drive. I didn't get a smart phone until I was 20, & I don't think any kids of mine need a smart phone as a child.

[–]Kara__El4 Stars7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would definitely approve of 18. My husband says 18 and I just feel like I'd rather do it when I can still monitor what they're doing. We'll see. Lol.

[–]jkgal0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy Link

Do you want your child to be ostracized by their peers?

[–]19_LadyScarlet_906 points7 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

If their peers are going to ostracize them for something as stupid as not having a smart phone, then they're shit peers that don't deserve to have friends anyways.

I didn't have a smart phone when all my friends did, & they didn't give a shit. I got a basic phone for calls, texts & picture messages at 17 when I was driving & got a job. I bought my first smart phone at 20. No one ostracized me, & I turned out just fine.

Children do not not to be awarded the latest & greatest technology just for existing. What they need are loving, involved parents who encourage them in life, not an electronic device they bury their faces in to raise them.

[–]jkgal-1 points0 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

How old are you? I didn't have facebook until 2014 or something and people thought I was really weird for it, but that was by my own choice and I didn't care. You don't want your child to be the weird one because of you, they will resent you immensely. They will become rebelious, stop communicating, trusting and respecting you and get a secret phone if they want a phone. You cannot control your teenage kids, it will blow up in your face.

[–]girlwithabikeEndorsed Contributor1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You are 22. You have just recently entered into adulthood. You are closer to peer than parent with the age group you are speaking about. You also don't have enough distance and life experience to have the wisdom that hindsight brings.

[–]jkgal-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Excactly, so I still remember whats going on. And gate keeping is pretty shitty. Like young people cant have insight into this... Could be I studied child psychology and am actually an authority on the matter ;)

[–]girlwithabikeEndorsed Contributor-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No, you are too close to this to be able to make an adult decision. And you are too young to realize that your opinions and experiences might not be the only valid ones and there might be more information out there than what you think you know.

[–]jkgal0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's what a discussion is about... Sharing ideas... Getting more information... Not shutting someone down because they are 5 years too young to talk about something. Don't you see how ridiculous you sound?

[–]girlwithabikeEndorsed Contributor1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I believe that opinions based on experience are more useful than others. This thread should be for parents and those who work with children as adults... same way that people who have not had a successful relationship shouldn't be giving married women advice to divorce. There are things you can't understand until you have lived them.

And you are putting out your personal experience as though it is fact, not a sharing of ideas. Teens are not fully develoted people. Important parts of your brain aren't mature until around 25. To tell parents that their teens will be left out is as silly as the teen trying to use the argument that "everyone is doing it". No parent ever had found that to be convincing because they have reasons for setting rules that go far beyond what will make you popular with a group of people you will probably outgrow. It's a child's argument.

[–]19_LadyScarlet_901 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I'm 28. I wasn't allowed to have a smart phone as a teen, & neither were my siblings, who both did sports & were extremely popular. I was weird in high school because of my own nerdiness, not because of my lack of a smart phone. I didn't get Facebook until I was 19, outta high school & had my own apartment.

Rather than buying me a smart phone because "everyone else has one!" my parents taught me responsibility by having me get a job, pick out my own phone & pay the bill. Sure, it wasn't a smart phone, but I could talk to & text my friends, & I thought it was cool. Even though I didn't really want to work at first, I still felt grown up & respected because I EARNED it myself through hard work, not just because I whined & my parents gave in to my adolescent whims.

My parents helped me buy my first car. I was allowed to go anywhere with permission, & I checked in regularly. I was allowed to take my phone to my room at night. If my door was closed, they knocked before entering. I was allowed to date in high school. I had an iPod for my music. I was allowed to wear makeup. I was allowed to sleepover at my friends' houses. In no way was I ever smothered or controlled by my parents.

Rather than throwing money or the "latest & greatest of what everyone else had", my parents invested something much, much more valuable in me than any device will ever be worth- time. If I needed my parents, they were ALWAYS there. No questions asked, no judgment. Over the years, they have: •Helped my buy all my vehicles (monetarily on the 1st car). If I needed an expert opinion on whether I was getting a good deal or not, my dad was there, right when I called him, to check it out. •Helped me buy my first home. They purchased a house that my ex & I rented for a year before we bought it from them. They walked me through the process & were great landlords that allowed me to do whatever I wanted & fixed the problems with the house. Even after I bought it, if I needed help with something, they were there. •Supported my passion for art that, as a kid, was just a hobby, but now as an adult, is my profession. My mom has been to EVERY single one of my shows. From set up to tear down, she's there, & my dad swings by when he can. They have spent a lot of time & money helping me launch my career, & I'm deeply grateful for their efforts. •Been by my side when I was going through my divorce. No judgment, just love & support. •My dad officiated my wedding to my now husband, & mom took all the pictures & made my cake. They both also set up & tore down. •Mom taught me how to cook, clean, balance a checkbook, & be smart with my money. My dad taught me to hunt & fish, as well as the importance of hard work. •Mom's taken my siblings & I on so many adventures, I've lost count. Us kids had so much fun just being together & enjoying our national parks, museums and other engaging activities. She also nurtured the relationship between us 3 kids, & to this day, we're all still pretty close.

There is so much more these two people have done for me, I can't even begin describe it all here. They set healthy boundaries, taught me valuable lessons, & helped me grow into the person I am today. Even though my parents didn't give into my every whim, I NEVER resented them, and I NEVER felt controlled by them , not even when they refused to let me have a smart phone. If you had asked 17 year old me to choose between the relationship with my parents & my phone, I would've dropped that pink Motorola Razr on the ground & stomped it to pieces. I loved, & still love, them that much.

I work with kids, & I've seen the detrimental effects having a smart phone has on young minds. The bullying now doesn't stop when they leave school, it follows them home to their bedrooms. Adult predators now have easy access to kids, & the younger they are, the more naive they are to the dangers (I've seen this happen in our community; tore at least one family apart). Kids stay up late & don't get the right amount of sleep. They lose the ability to self-entertain, & develop a need for instant gratification in everything. Parents become more & more absent in kids' lives, because the device will do their job for them. Is this true in all cases? No, certainly not. But in my experience, smart phones are not good for kids.

If your peers ostracize you for having, or not having, something, those people aren't your friends anyways, and why would you want them to be? If we are to give our children their every frivolous desire or allow them to do whatever they want because of "everyone else," then by that logic, we ought to let them try drugs, go to wild parties, & join the hookup culture, because in many cases, "everyone else" is already doing those things.

Rather than the latest device, why not an adequate one? Rather than teaching our kids to place the highest value on the opinions of others, why not teach them that they are already valuable & loved? Instead of giving them the instant gratification by buying it for them to keep up with the Jones, why not teach them the value of hard work & taking pride in themselves & their efforts? Instead of letting them run the house as children, why not lovingly teach them to respect the rules of their parents' home & equip them with the skills they'll need to be capable adults later in life?

I'm GLAD us kids didn't have smart phones. I'm GLAD we didn't have internet until I was in high school & that mom limited our video game time. I'm GLAD my parents didn't give in to me every time I begged for something. Again, I didn't, & don't, resent them at all for that. Without their guidance, I would've gotten into so much more trouble.

My peers that made fun of the nerdy, artsy girl & were oh so popular with their smart phones, brand name clothes, & sports? Yeah, several got fat, started balding, have broken families, failed careers & some of them even slipped into drugs. The nerdy little artist girl who was picked on & had limitations set by her parents? She's now a professional artist, happily married to the love of her life and maintaining an awesome relationship with her parents.

This, rather lengthy, somewhat ranty spiel isn't meant to shit all over you. I absolutely agree, you CAN'T smother your kids, or they WILL rebel (husband can attest to that). However, giving kids all their adolescent, frivolous wants at the drop of a hat because their peers have it/ are doing it doesn't create anything but a temporary high that comes from the equally temporary happiness brought on by material things. Building our kids up with experiences, love & support, encouraging them to become the best versions of themselves, being the type of family they'll want to be around, and fulfilling their NEEDS before their WANTS will give them a strength & a security that an electronic device NEVER could.

[–]Hammocknapping0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, several got fat, started balding, have broken families, failed careers & some of them even slipped into drugs.

started balding

Weird

[–]19_LadyScarlet_900 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Not really. Small, rural town high school where partying was the "only thing to do". If you're hard on your body when you're young, it's not going to be good to you as you age.

There are a lot of kids from my class who are doing well; they didn't fall into drugs & went on to get college degrees & careers. But yeah, you'd be surprised how many men start balding, or even turning grey, in their 20s- not just at my school, but other kids I knew growing up.

[–]Hammocknapping0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You can’t raise your children not to go bald or grey ...

[–]19_LadyScarlet_900 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Not what I was saying at all. More pointing out that karma got the ones who decided it was appropriate to bully kids based on what they had/ didn't have or their personalities.

[–]jkgal-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey, it's your life do what you want. 10-15 years ago it was relatively acceptable to not have a smart phone, it really isn't anymore and I can't imagine how it will be in 10-15 years. Teenagers are pretty shitty, I wouldn't want to put my child in the situation to get bullied. If they would really want a smartphone that's fine even if it is to fit in, if you disagree with them having smartphones they will have to work to buy their smartphones. Doesn't mean if they have a phone you all of the sudden can't support them in other ways you talked about.

I just think these types of rules are just a bit silly. It's like when the penny press got invented and everybody was whining about how teenagers would never connect again because they were always reading the newspaper instead of talking to people. New technology is always scary for parents.

[–]g_e_m_anscombe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, yes. Youth culture is incredibly destructive.

[–]Whopper_Jr1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Watch from 1:17:00, Professor Jonathan Haidt https://youtu.be/FG6HbWw2RF4

[–]Kara__El4 Stars1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I absolutely agree with all of this. I work with teens every day and social media, especially the constant connection to it, is deeply harmful. Furthermore, I've heard kids scream at someone to go kill themselves, but I have never, not once, heard "She doesn't even have a smartphone" as a reason to ostracize someone. It's just not happening. That argument in favor of giving a teenager a smartphone is ludicrous.

[–]ManguZa1 Star7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Teach them to trust themselves.

Teach them delayed gratification.

Teach them to interact positively with others.

[–]Helmet_Icicle41 points42 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

A lot of the responses here are about setting boundaries in a futile attempt to feel in control. That's an irreparable and egotistic mistake.

It's not "porn" or "smart phones" or "electronics" that ruin your children with bad influences, it's your inability to guide them through the minefield of contemporary media, and life in general. When you remove their access to something, you also remove their ability to learn how to overcome it, and all future obstacles. And tangentially, removing porn and smart phones of all things from your children's grasp is a great way to kill any social development they might have. That's an egregiously out of touch notion. Who wants to be friends with the kid who has no phone? Who wants to date the teen who doesn't know about sex?

Realize now, rather than later when it's too late, that you cannot control your children's decisions. They are their own beings with their own minds and they will find a way to subvert your authority if you don't accept their agency and work with it in mind.

Instead, the best mode of guardianship is simply to be a good role model. Demonstrate how your values allow you to succeed in situations that they can observe. Prove to them, with results, that if they do what you do then they will be able to achieve success. When they are adults, you want the small voice they hear in the back of their heads to be yours and you want your voice to be informed, productive, and judicial.

[–]ContentShop9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you. I was reading those comments and couldn't believe it. Children will be more likely to want whatever it is you withold from them. 100% you risk raising a liar. I saw it in my peers growing up who had stricter parents - they acted out more.

[–]AngelFire_3_141565 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure that I entirely agree with you. It also isn't clear if you have children or not, and to be honest you sound rather naive. I agree that good guardianship is important, but as a parent and an aunt, boundaries are also critical. Boundaries are also important in any relationship, whether it be friendship, marriage, or a parent-child relationship. I also firmly believe that good boundary skills are important in promoting s sense of emotional intelligence and emotional maturity, which are important to have as an adult.

"... you cannot control your children's decisions."

That's true, but as a parent you are still responsible for them (morally, ethically, and legally), and may have to suffer from the consequences of their decisions.

Susan Klebold is a living example.

[–]Helmet_Icicle5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just because discrete boundaries are not an effective tool in one area does not mean they aren't useful somewhere else. It's important to avoid making the mistake of using negative attention to personally express negative feelings.

The salient approach is in aiding any warranted avenue of growth, not restricting it because of sensibilities. A blanket ban is a lazy crutch that avoids selflessly connecting with your child when they need it. If you create an atmosphere in which you incentivize distrust, then you can raise a good liar.

[–]littleshroom4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, how difficult is it to ask your girlfriend to take your nude picture with her phone, if it's a peer pressure thing to do and your kid will tread over mountains just to comply?

Teenagers are extremely smart and witty. It's best to have a ton of important discussions about these problems. With my boys in going to be straightforward - we're going to get them several books on physical and moral implications of sex, on contraception, and even a simple book about ways of being a good partner in a relationship and in the bedroom.

I'm not their friend, I'm their parent and I need to act in a way that allows them to have the best grounds for future success in their life, however they define their success. So that's that.

[–]BinRAXX47 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Block porn at all costs

[–]Anoters3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

For your son r/nofap

Not masturbating from a young age will improve his life so much. It changes the way you look at women, increases testosterone, gives you more time to focus on improving your life. Also reduces the chance of erectile dysfunction.

Another thing would be try to stop video game addiction. While some video games isn’t bad, it can get to the point where it affects how much he improves his life outside of the game.

[–]CRGRO2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Teach your daughter RP woman mentality and be RP towards your son, and ask your husband to do the same for your son and daughter respectively. It's an attitude with RP imo.

[–]trumpasaurus_erectus5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

We let our kids have electronics, but only for about 30 mins a day. We also only let them have it while we are able to physically watch what they're doing. Others are right that tech today is one of the biggest bad influences for kids. We also have a rule that they are absolutely not allowed to have any social media accounts until they are 18.

For good influences we use religion, clubs (Heritage Girls for our girls and Trail Life for our son), and make sure that physical fitness is a big part of their lives. Their still too young for weights IMO, but I do take the older two out for runs on the weekends and they also have gymnastics.

[–]AngelFire_3_141562 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

AHG rocks!!!

My niece is in an AHG troop and my daughter will be when she's old enough. From what I've seen its a much more healthy environment that Girl Scouts ever was for either me or my sister.

[–]trumpasaurus_erectus2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh yes! My two oldest girls are and my youngest will be when she's older. My girls love it and I think they have a really nice balance between religious and secular material.

[–]Kara__El4 Stars3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I love Heritage Girls and Trail Life! We're planning on Catholic school, ourselves.

[–]trumpasaurus_erectus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It really is a great group to get involved in. We thought about Catholic schools, being practicing Catholics ourselves, but then the USAF moved us to a remote-ish area and so we're starting homeschooling next year.

[–]Kaboomboomboomboom2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do not have children yet. What taught me the most is how I perceived my mother. Therefore I believe it’s very important to keep working on your marriage and on your femininity so that your daughter can learn that.

[–]immaculacy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A few tips I think are good:

Kids don't need iphones. Middle schoolers do not need social media accounts. I mean... you never really need one. But if you let your kids have one later, be careful. Even if you delete something, you don't know who saved it before you deleted it.

Same thing if you let them use the computer. Block suspicious sites and limit their time they spend on it.

It's better to talk to friends face to face than online.

TV has a big impact on kids/teens. There are a lot of shows (and movies) that are... trashy, and kids especially girls think it's cool and popular to imitate them. Be careful of TV.

A lot of regrets and painful things happen because they didn't even know doing something else was an option. Like "Wait, I didn't have to make sure I kissed someone by the time I was 13?? You mean I could have waited??" Kids almost don't even realize there's other options sometimes, and simply saying "it's ok - or even good - not to do that" can help them out a lot. Just HEARING that there are other options makes those options so much more open.

Teach them not to give in to peer pressure. Most bad stuff happens because they think they're a "loser" if they don't do it. Having no self control is more losery than anything else. Resisting pressure is a good quality. It feels good to look back and have no bad regrets and to know you did what was good for you.

Teach them the amazingness of waiting for marriage. Many people who waited say it's the best decision they've ever made. It's the most romantic and fun and beautiful thing to have one person in life be your everything.

I hear some people saying stuff like "Kids need phones! It will ruin their social life!" I never had a phone in high school and I had the best social life. It was better BECAUSE I didn't have a phone. But if the kid really needs to text, it's fine to let them. A regular phone without all the gadgets is fine for this. Teach them not to be on their phone when there are other people around though. Being the person who's sitting on their phone when they should be talking to the people right next to them is awful and no one wants to be friends with that person.

Don't teach boys and girls different when it comes to morals. Your daughter doesn't need to give up sex and neither does your son. There's no difference in saving it for your husband or saving it for your wife. In fact people doing one and not the other makes the other depressing and deters it from happening.

I noticed that getting into a sport helps a lot of teenagers stay off too many drugs and going down a sketchy path, and it helps with academics. A sport is good for your health and it's also good for your personality.

[–]g_e_m_anscombe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would encourage you to read the book The Vanishing American Adult by Ben Sasse. He covers a lot of different topics but includes great general principles.

In general, your kids will do what you do, not what you say. So if you say, for example, “my faith is important to me” but don’t go to church or pray, they will learn it’s really not that important. You can insert anything into “my faith.” Your children learn norms from you. So if you watch TV 8 hours a day, you shouldn’t be surprised that your kid is addicted to YouTube.

I don’t think smart phones should be banned forever, but I definitely think many kids are getting them at too young of an age with too few restrictions. They are designed to be addictive. I’ve discussed with my husband and we plan to use a tracking system that logs whatever is typed rather than just relying on parental controls. That way we can find out sooner if something bad is happening rather than trusting that the blocker is working. “Trust but verify.” So we will start with the kids having a certain screen time limit that will grow as they get older, but with the understanding that there is no such thing as online privacy from mom and dad.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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