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The much louder and complex female copulatory vocalizations in humans, primates and other animals, may serve to stimulate the mating partner or to incite male competition (Hamilton & Arrowood, 1978) (doi.org)

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[–]dumb_intj23 points24 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Imagine you were fucking your gf in the woods, then some giga-chad hears your gf moaning, throws you off her, and fucks her right there in front of you. The ultimate cuck. And that's probably just how things were for humans until very recently. Evolution is truly brutal.

[–]ugluk14 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This happened closer to us than you think and still may happen. Think wars.

[–]itshappening99 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Jonathan Haidt has an interesting take on this in The Righteous Mind. What it basically says that once language and spears were invented, this kind of behavior would have been answered by the victims teaming up and murdering the aggressor. The result is that hunter gatherer-societies were fairly egalitarian (at least among adult males) and humans may have evolved certain moral instincts as a result since people who were okay with being mogged like that were weeded out of the gene pool. Of course that raises the question of how we got to the point we're at today though.

[–]ugluk13 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Chimps team up and attack leopards and they don't have spears. They arm themselves with sticks, though.

[–]SophisticatedBean[S] 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

From the conclusion:

Human and primate copulatory calls are elaborations of the rhythmic, rapid breathing associated with intense sexual activity. For the three species described, the copulatoty vocalizations of females are more complex than those of males and begin earlier in the copulatory sequence. Because of the wide range of ecological and social situations among primates, as exemplified by the three species studied here, unitary explanations of the adaptive significance of copulatory vocalizations may not be possible.

So who knows, but still an interesting hypothesis. Even if it's only a vestige in humans, it may suggest that the underlying primate psychology may also still be present to some extent.

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[–]SubsaharanAmericanshitty h-index[M] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

An honest reading of the article (as opposed to the tersely written abstract) does not give the clear impression that the authors intended on suggesting that male competition incitement played any role in humans. If you think I’m mistaken, please quote directly from the article any statements you feel indicate otherwise.

Because of the above, the titling of this post is arguably even more disingenuous than your last one. Not keen on letting this stay up.

[–]SophisticatedBean[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They offer several hypotheses in explanation of coital vocalizations of primates on page 1407 pp. A primate is any member of lemurs, monkeys, and apes, with the latter category including humans.

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