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[–][deleted] 61 points62 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women lie...alot.

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[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ells-worth and Bailey (2013) found that faked orgasms were correlated with the likelihood that women had engaged in sexual infidelity (r=.27, df=111, p=.004). They also found that males were more sexually satisfied with females who experienced more intense and frequent orgasms

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.699.9885&rep=rep1&type=pdf

Furthermore, women's (authentic) orgasm intensity is correlated with partner attractiveness (r = .427, p < 0.0001), so yeah, it's probably mostly just that; few men have high status and few are attractive to women.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (41 children) | Copy Link

The following explanation has been provided for the high rate of females who cannot achieve orgasm (and instead fake it):

Pavlicev and Wagner (2016) contended, it may be a due to the fact that there are not enough high-quality men to go around. In other words, some of the variance in orgasm frequency among women may be a consequence of variation in access to high fitness males, and this may apply especially to women suffering from female orgasmic disorder.

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Consistent with our hypothesis, a study of sexual dysfunction found that the incidence of orgasmic disorder in women was inversely proportional to their level of education, and unemployment was also a risk factor (Safarinejad, 2006).

I.e. women who cannot get access to high status men will not orgasm as much (odds ratio of orgasmic disorder with low education status is 3.13, 2.21–4.41, 95% CI).

Further support for our idea that female orgasmic disorder may be an artifact of an inability to access high-quality male partners comes from a recent study by Kontula and Miettinen (2016). [...] Even though attitudes and sexual practices have become increasingly liberated in Scandinavia (and elsewhere) over the last 3 decades, they failed to find an increase in female orgasm frequency among Finnish women during this period in spite of their greater openness about sex, an increase in number of sex partners, and more frequent masturbation.

In stark contrast to widely held views among clinicians and others that in orgasmic females suffer from sexual inhibition and related psychological problems, this study stands as strong testimony to the contrary. The authors concluded that “the improvements in gender equality and sexual education since the 1970s have not helped women to become more orgasmic.”

Quite frankly, I'm currently not seeing how the latter serves as further support, but still an interesting result.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Gordon_Gallup2/publication/319414654_An_Evolutionary_Perspective_on_Orgasm/links/5ace63a14585154f3f4522bb/An-Evolutionary-Perspective-on-Orgasm.pdf

I'm surprised that this recent literature review does not discuss the possibility that female orgasm evolved because it signals arousal and female arousal is necessary for (consensual) intercourse to occur at all. Hence men are selected to regard female orgasms as a highly valuable goal. This in turn selects for women who display greater orgasmic capacity etc.

Of course my favorite explanation is still that female copulatory vocalizations are mating calls.

[–]BonoboRises 14 points15 points  (34 children) | Copy Link

By the way, men find ways to cum from women who are far from beauts themselves. Women just have too high of standards and should be re-educated

[–]neubs 14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I like to challenge myself by masturbating to hideous women.

[–]BonoboRises 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bigly brain above me 😩

[–]porraSV 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Other question is (if you only want sex) why would you lower your standards in looks?

[–]BonoboRises 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fulfillment

[–]porraSV 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

what do you mean?

[–]porraSV 0 points1 point  (28 children) | Copy Link

If in general we have too high standards then I guess our species will perish. WTF you mean by re-educated?

[–]Carkudo 8 points9 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Species aside, is it such an unreasonable idea to educate women to have more realistic standards? In the past few decades society has successfully put pressure on men to change their preferences, and men have. So why not ask the same of women?

[–]porraSV 0 points1 point  (22 children) | Copy Link

Ok. I think that if my sex has unreasonable standards then, it makes sense point that out. The "re-educated" term sounded more forceful that have a bunch of ads or starting having better depiction of man in film/magazines, etc, etc. I have to admit that the connotation of the term "re-educated" is my own hence, I might be wrong.

On the other hand, in the societal context I am in, man do not have an don't have reasonable standards. For example - females are expected to be shaved, don't fart, be prude, short (or at least shorter than the whom they are dating), sensitive, thin to an un-healty point, and very submissive. On top of this it is expected of us to be with someone before 35, have kids and, make the majority of house work, while having a full time job. This doesn't sound very realistic to me. Then again, it is not the worse, I heard that in some state of the USA females are expected to quit of their career when marry (I don't know if it is true or common though).

Finally, please consider that perhaps it is the societal context you are inserted that have very "picky" women. I've also heard that in some places of the USA women will only date if the guys pays the bill of "going out" and, things like - oh he is too fat, or shit like that (againI don't know if it is true or common though). If that is where you are then, I mean, "girl" do you want someone to build a family, someone you can talk with and share life experiences or, do you want and Apollo or even someone to pay your life? Pick 1, because 2 will be a rarity and 3 is impossible.

Sorry for the English and, the previous saltiness

[–]Carkudo 5 points6 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

The "re-educated" term sounded more forceful that have a bunch of ads or starting having better depiction of man in film/magazines, etc, etc.

To be fair, the pressure directed at men was primarily targeted and generalized shaming.

For example - females are expected to be shaved, don't fart, be prude, short (or at least shorter than the whom they are dating), sensitive, thin to an un-healty point, and very submissive.

Expectations are not requirements. Women face no significant (if any at all) penalties for failing to fulfill those expectations. If someone expects you to be all those things and you don't want to be them, you can just go and find a person to be with who will like you as you are. Men, on the other hand, face requirement that they cannot get away from at all.

please consider that perhaps it is the societal context you are inserted that have very "picky" women. I've also heard that in some places of the USA

I'm a Russian man currently living in Japan, so telling me about how I'm inserting myself into some societal context in the US is ridiculous. And the diversity of incel communities is a good indicator that women's unreasonable standards tend to vary little between contexts.

[–]porraSV 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm a Russian man currently living in Japan, so telling me about how I'm inserting myself into some societal context in the US is ridiculous. And the diversity of incel communities is a good indicator that women's unreasonable standards tend to vary little between contexts.

The USA was an example that I gave because, I know people from there and much of the media I see is from there. I was not meaning that you were in the same societal economical nor cultural context of some extreme accounts I gave.

[–]porraSV -1 points0 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Expectations are not requirements. Women face no significant (if any at all) penalties for failing to fulfill those expectations. If someone expects you to be all those things and you don't want to be them, you can just go and find a person to be with who will like you as you are. Men, on the other hand, face requirement that they cannot get away from at all.

You are wrong. There are penalties for women too - the same that for man.

[–]Carkudo 4 points5 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

You are wrong. There are penalties for women too - the same that for man

Oh, then, if women face the same penalties as men for being unattractive, you should be able to name them. Which, of course, you cannot.

[–]porraSV 0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy Link

Namely having: impossibility in hook-ups and relationship; being ostracised by the rest of the society in general.

[–]Carkudo 5 points6 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

impossibility in hook-ups and relationship

Not something any women face.

being ostracised by the rest of the society in general

Does not happen "in general"

Yes, your lack of awareness about the issues faced by unattractive men as well as the fact that you felt the need to outright lie about it just further underscores that women face basically no requirements whatsoever with regards to attractiveness - only expectations, and mild ones at that.

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[–]porraSV 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol. Do you wanna to discuss science on human sexuality or find papers that support your narrow views?

[–]BonoboRises 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You honestly don’t think women engage in hypergamy?

[–]porraSV -4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe some do consciously and some don’t engage it at all.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course my favorite explanation is still that female copulatory vocalizations are mating calls.

It is agreed that coital vocalizations fulfill an evolutionary purpose[3] and that they serve as adaptive solutions to problems that the females face, such as infanticide, as well as obtaining high quality sperm.[2]

That's downright savage!

[–]Futuredanish 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Sex isn’t about women having an orgasm anyway. It’s about getting a man off. So who gives a shit about her lol

[–]porraSV -5 points-4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well with that attitude it will be difficult for you to get off. Not consider the other part at any time leads to lack of interest. So looking at that perspective man should give a shit at least some times.

[–]Darthai 9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Tbh as a man i've fake moaned most of the time (like almost 95% of the time) to make my girlfriend feel happy and achieving during sex or making love in general. But in reality i physically don't enjoy sex much (not the sexuality, but sex in a physical way), and i can go through the entire intercourse without making a single pleasure noise.

[–]porraSV 9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

This is honestly cute and, shows that you care for her. I hope she reciprocates.

[–]Darthai 12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Well, she dumbed me while i was conscripted. At that point we were together for 3 and a half years and i was serving in the armed forces as we have conscription here and to be able to find a job males need to complete their conscription service (generally speaking). So we were thinking about getting married therefore i decided to complete my service right after my graduation from the college, but two months in she left me on the basis of "she had her problems and didn't want to care for what i was going through". Half a year after i return, she came back and as i was still deeply in love with her i did the stupidest thing and forgive her. So 11 months after she dumbed me again once again after we found out the state screwed me over and i was in debt to the state. I was deeply in love with her and i was forgiving all the mean, disrespectfull, selfish actions of her. But never again.

[–]imthebetterunicorn3 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Dude... That's awful I'm so sorry!

[–]Darthai 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And this is just like 5% of the overall story but thanks man, i appreciate.

[–]porraSV 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That is horrible! I am sorry ....

[–]Darthai 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you

[–]Yggdrasill4 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do that sometimes too, I notice that she gets excited when I express pleasure even of at times it is sort of faked. It's the same with her, when she moans quietly, it makes me feel like she really is enjoying me. Although every time I orgasm it is always very prolong and vocal, while she just increases her breathing rapidly for a moment very quitely. The way she cums you can suddenly feel her vaginal walls try and push you out very hard like it is going to prolapse, then a ton of very thick slippery mucas just oozes out. She becomes incredibly sensitive on her clitoris post orgasm as I do on my head post orgasm. She is a very slim Italian girl with milky white skin. Anyways, I thought I was the only one who sometimes reluctantly fakes it, it's a relief.

[–]porraSV 6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Yes I have done because I noticed that it pleased the other half and I love to please or, because it was not being pleasant to me and I wanna them to get to the finish line sooner.

Now with this explanation, blame me for all the fake moans. Turns out when I by myself I am dead silent - and I only came to that realization last month.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Here is another explanation:

women may feign orgasm in order to maintain male investment

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.699.9885&rep=rep1&type=pdf

[–]Colin_Copernick 9 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

That’s a solid explanation. Women tend to use their power (sexuality) to get what they want, why not fake an orgasm as well? Alpha fucks, beta bucks. If women will have sex with a man to maintain his investment, it only makes sense that she will feign orgasm whilst doing so

[–]porraSV 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Unless they are truly enjoying the sex. You know women like sex too.

[–]BraisedBuster 10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Not with the average man, much less the below average

[–]porraSV -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Dude what on earth is an average man. It is not like you can average neither there are too many parameters - from emotional connection to voice, smell, way to move, etc etc. You cannot just average it.

[–]BraisedBuster 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You can in sum total of your looks, which is what I'm referring to.

[–]porraSV 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ahh, but that is the thing you cannot, because the variables are not independent between each other so you cannot do that since one variable value (of attractiveness affects another variable). Plus, many of this variables would be in different scales or qualitative rather then quantitative. And so, there is no way to have proper common denominator.

[–]porraSV 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was giving my own (personal) and to vocalisation alone and not orgasm. Nonetheless this review is interesting - and a nice review/debate.

I was expecting to have other women to tell why they were they vocalising pleasure even though they knew that they will not climax. Please, remember that even though, one know that will not climax that does not mean that it is not enjoying it.

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Some people believe the female orgasm is a lie, any studies on that?

[–]BaroquenMusician 24 points25 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You can’t fake involuntary muscle spasms

[–]porraSV 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That is correct you cannot. It is not fake I assure you. It might not be as amazing as described but it is real.

[–]Dalia04 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, but female orgasms are incredibly out of this world I tell you 😉

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Orgasm during normal copulation is a lie. Females orgasm but that's probably down to the similarity of organs while in womb (clitoris is like an underdeveloped penis, for example).

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good lord do I ever feel sorry for a guy who believes this. You need to work a hell of a lot harder next time some unfortunate girl consents to you.

[–]Dalia04 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Biologically Wrong buddy. Lol. describing the clitoris as a ‘mini-penis’ we set up a chain of assumptions, By describing the clitoris ‘in terms of the penis’ we assume that the penis comes first (pause for sniggering). There’s also the not-so-subtle implication that the clitoris is an underdeveloped penis and therefore an inferior organ. These assumptions are biologically incorrect.

The part of the story often omitted is that male development requires hormones to suppress female development and further hormones to enhance male development. This makes female anatomy the platform for male development and so technically the penis is an enlarged clitoris. It sounds provocative because it goes against the ‘received wisdom’ or ‘gender spin’ – the story that gives primacy to the penis.

[–]Darthai 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women take very high amount of pleasure from sex, even without having an orgasm. And when they have orgasm, they lose it. So i don't think it is a lie.

[–]_Anarchon_ 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I believe the whole squirter thing is a lie, but chicks do orgasm

[–]porraSV 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

And how exactly is one suppose to just squirt on command.

[–]_Anarchon_ 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Can you piss on command? Same thing.

[–]porraSV 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

True But stop Pissing is kind of difficult.

[–]Dalia04 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Scientifically researched and proven that female ejaculation (squirting) is a fact. The liquid comes out from her skenes glands, not her urethra.

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