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I'll keep this short, though people with more time may want to expand upon this point.

Sexual strategy praxeology as it currently exists is a set of written materials and heuristics (rules of thumb) born from the experiences of many men and loosely supported by evolutionary psychology/biology. It's called "The Red Pill" but that term has been bastardized by "muh truth" and "muh men's rights" to render it confusing and almost meaningless to people new to the concept.

So now men who have put in the work to improve their sex lives have become salty because of this evolving dynamic. They climbed a mountain of shit with few handholds to remake themselves and had very little to go by beyond source materials and "trading notes." It is the problem of early adoption and pioneering.

Vacuums in efficiency and knowledge beg to be filled, and some have looked upon the boy/girl landscape and have discovered a couple of things. First, men are fucking lazy pussies. Second, men want a problem solved as quickly and efficiently as possible, and if it can be afforded, price is no object.

Tools can be used to build elaborate gazebos or soapboxes. Since some men would rather others wield the hammer, in steps Bob Vila.

The moment Bob arrives on the scene, the guy who has already put half of a deck on his house or framed an incomplete barn immediately gets incredulous and says "look at this fucking guy with the fake belt and ironed jeans." What's worse, Bob is using his personal experience in the construction industry to instruct new builders who have zero experience with tools. Bob provides written and video content, mostly free, some for a low cost. If a man has enough money and desperation, Bob will teach you to use the tools, set up a building plan, and hold you accountable for your project with a community of builders, for a cost that makes laziness sting.

This guidance from Bob elicits various responses: "Respect the hustle." "Masculinity must not be monetized." "Bob is a natural builder." "Fuck this guy, he learned from us." "Shows what you know, you should use a Phillips head screwdriver in that situation." "You are taking advantage of men who are not ready to handle tools." "There are no tools, only pills, spoons, God and philosophy."

The anger of the successful and learning builder is misplaced. He's just pissed that someone is instructing others to do things he finds necessary, but unrewarding. His own unpaid labor (on himself and his "projects") is a source of pride and accomplishment, but he simultaneously wants others to experience his struggle too.

Yes, you cut your teeth by reading all of the theory about building, learning about all of the materials, and experimenting with the tools to see how they are used to fabricate what you want and realize your vision of a finished project. Kudos to you for doing it the hard way.

What does your past work have to do with Bob Vila? Jack shit. So as long as Bob isn't teaching guys to build half-assed, dangerous projects, it affects men already building and renovating in no significant way. Hell, you might learn something novel from Bob to improve your project.


[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children) | Copy Link

As per author request (and probably good sense) we will not be renewing this old house for another season

[–]RedPillBluegrassPlz touch my PP11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Quit Being Angry. Fixed It For You.

[–]Over60_FireTempered3MRP APPROVED5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Maybe because of what happened with MMSLP guy, I came to believe that when you monetize the red pill, you will change the message. I think your point, RZD, is that these coaches still have a value and should not be dismissed out of hand...like I have done.

For example, we've had some real super blue losers on AskMrp and frankly some of them would require extraordinary help to ever get out of deep blue, even to slightly purple.

I like Rian, Hunter, Rollo, and RPCoach and others that have offered coaching. They all have their strong points.

I believe that any shade redder is better than blue, and there are those that can benefit, as well as those that there might be no other way of moving forward, and that every man that moves away from blue helps me.

Based on this, then maybe I was wrong about monetizing RP not working. Maybe it plays to the benefit of all of us to support any coach that moves a man away from blue, even if the end result is purple.

[–]weakandsensitive3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

On the bright side, because of those askMRP dudes, I've figured out my rates. 10k/month for 4 hours. Don't think anyone going to pay me but at least I have a price.

[–]InChargeManMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'll do 8k for 6 hours or 15k for 12 hours over 2 months, plus the optional email pak add-on @ $500/ 10 email responses.

*Terms and conditions apply, inquire for details, no warranties expressed or implied. All investments have risks. Ask your doctor if this is right for you.

[–]weakandsensitive1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I 100% recommend /u/InChargeMan because he will probably have the patience to deal with your bullshit that I don't actually want to deal with. And he discounts.

[–]Over60_FireTempered3MRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Already sounds very commercial. In the 70's, we called it a "selling out'. Hmmmm

[–]Over60_FireTempered3MRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm truly surprised at your low discounted price. I think you secretly want to hook one and thrash him.

[–]TaipanshimshonMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Up to 4 hours.

Better hook

I mean you've been here how many years ? It's like getting a counseling masters at least twice

[–]SteelToeShitKicker2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Some people are not, and will never be, fully ready.

[–]Over60_FireTempered3MRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely and without any doubt, there a some. In fact, some of them provided great entertainment when they posted and they are still remembered by some of the vets.

[–]ReddJiveMRP APPROVED6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I have been a marital artists for over 20 years. I have 2 black belts and am active in both arts. I have also started BJJ and hold a blue belt, though I am not concerned with getting black. I just enjoy it.

Here’s what I have learned. I don’t think you can monetize martial arts. For one both my original arts are traditional. One is core to Japanese culture. The other a Okinawan art. In Okinawa though dojos are for pay it is not the sensei’s main job for the most part. There are a few. the pay is a respect thing. Hell it’s taboo to even discuss payment with the sensei.

In the west turning hobbies into business is a life ideal for some. I have met some amazing martial artists who have done pretty well for themselves teaching karate. The thing is....it doesn’t work very well.

At some point the art suffers. Even from the best of them. when your livelihood is attached at some point you will make a compromise in order to keep the bucks flowing in. It could be something like giving kids black belts, or creating special classes for those getting black belts. These things happen and they happen for very innocent reasons at first. After all you are the sensei and your time has to be accounted for. Not to mention electricity, water, the basics of keeping the dojo running. I have even seen compromises in the very best BJJ schools. They all do it. There is no way around it. To keep the business compromises will be made. If they aren’t the business will fail. I have seen this too. Some amazing teachers have lost their professional for pay dojo’s because they would not bend on certain aspects that made more sense for the business than it did for the art.

Everytime I teach a self defense seminar, assist with a class, all geared for beginners or those that just want to learn a a few moves...I wonder why am I bothering. They will never get it. They may learn one technique of the 4 I show today. Yet if they aren’t training day in and day out they will never get it. Be able to fight is not natural. Survival is, but fighting is not. I can’t impart to them the years of training and experience I have had in a few hours. They just won’t get it.

Then I look at the 2 year student. Half way through their training. I think what message it sends to them. Here I am spending a handful off hours with these people, who pay good money and will leave with nothing. A few may think I am just flat out wrong. THey go home ask a family member to grab them or punch so they can show off, and they will fail at it. They just learned it! how can they understand after just a 3 hours? Yet my real student is day in and day out sweating it out on the dojo floor.

For what it is worth I don’t have a dojo other then my backyard. I don’t ever intend to because I don’t think the model here in the US works. I train in my sensei’s dojo which is his business, but by invite only do people train my garden dojo. Those that want to learn and study.

Do what ever you want. Monetize your little piece of Red Pill. Go ahead. More power to you. Realize though that you will make compromises.

[–]InChargeManMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Monetize your little piece of Red Pill. Go ahead. More power to you. Realize though that you will make compromises.

This is also my sentiment.

[–]Over60_FireTempered3MRP APPROVED5 points6 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

I remember when all the pissing about Hunter started with some crappy comments from everyone's idol, GLO. Then guys piled on and pissed on a him for wearing a unflattering sweater and a poorly trimmed beard. Everyone with an axe to grind started sharpening it and tuning up their "crap on U" banjo music. All his prior contributions lost in a flash....

Crabs in a bucket does all the heavy lifting of keeping men in their place for the femi-nazi. When I started on this sub, there were only 3000 crabs in this bucket. Now there are over 20,000 crabs in this bucket. Probably the only reason this post is not locked.

[–]ReddJiveMRP APPROVED4 points5 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

I have my issues with both because I see them cut from the same cloth. Both are young men that haven't been through fire. They may understand red pill and what it means but I doubt either understand the gravity of it.

One has to use large words and invoke philosophical ideas that don't really belong. They are a distraction. A crutch most likely because his message might be lost otherwise.

The other tries to identify and sees commonality in his life that paralells other made men. He has a seat at the table not because he has worked for it but because he represents us as we should have been. Mistakes and misdirections notwithstanding.

Both men have a seat at the table or did. Depends on how you look at it. Still neither speak with the authority others do that have proven to have pulled themselves up on their own.

If we are saying a man can't work to overcome his past or his errors then there is no need for red pill. We are all blue as fuck and still firmly plugged in.

[–]Over60_FireTempered3MRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

You make some good points. You also just described the parable of the prodigal son.

Does the advice of a man that fell from his high point zenith, and clawed his way back up, have more value than a man that never fell, even though he is still living at that height?

Does the wisdom that can be shared from that journey from the depths have more value?

Many ancient manuscripts say yes.(other than just the Bible)

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

God this is guey.

I'd rather we go the route of the backyard mechanics of psychology instead of the crazy guy wearing a sandwich board about the apocalypse on Sundays.

At least the former offers growth, refinement, and fills a much needed role where institutions have failed in their part of the social contract.

[–]ReddJiveMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

All men deserve a second chance. But you keep an eye on them.

[–]Over60_FireTempered3MRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

OK, I'ma gonna put "The End Is Guey Soon" on my sandwich board. Problem is I have plans for Sundays.

[–]ReddJiveMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy Link

I didn’t think of the prodigal son but I see how it fits.

In general we need to beware of demogauges and idols.

[–]Over60_FireTempered3MRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

beware of demogauges and idols

No doubt...and the built in disappointment of those that follow their path. Ultimately the cause lies with the follower.

[–]itiswr1ttenMRP APPROVED4 points5 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

https://youtu.be/DAISmaRDQFc

If you can watch 45 seconds of this, I believe it correctly characterizes what TFA is selling - and I'm not steering even the basket cases of the TRP sub that way.

[–]Over60_FireTempered3MRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

I have to go to the source on this one:

u/HunterDrewTFA IS THAT YOU IN THIS CLIP?

https://youtu.be/DAISmaRDQFc

talk to me...

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Mistakes were made, watched with my wife and she looked at me, then at TV, then at me and said, "Why do you look so fat?" lol

Poorly timed haircut, beard trim, and horizontal stripes.

I've got to pay more attention to how things will look on the big screen.

[–]Over60_FireTempered3MRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It's the messaging I have a problem with...It's the messaging I have a problem with...It's the messaging I have a problem with...It's the messaging I have a problem with...It's the messaging I have a problem with...It's the messaging I have a problem with...It's the messaging I have a problem with...It's the messaging I have a problem with...It's the messaging I have a problem with...Importance score 10.

Then there's the appearance, importance score 1. meh

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Gotcha

Shooting with those guys was awesome, how it was delivered? I don't care, I had fun and learned quite a bit and I'd rather shoot than cruise in the Lambo.

[–]itiswr1ttenMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't know if you'll take this to heart, but the primary issue here is not that you are a total DYEL (that is also an issue).

It's that the core representation is a fraudulent version of a message that was plagiarized from this broader community.

More Create Your Slut, less this. I still send that piece to noobs. That's my stance

[–]johneyapocalypseTold Death to Fuck Off - MRP is easy mode3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You're being too kind, bro.

It goes way beyond the faggoty, douchebag manner in which he's dressed.

It goes beyond his fat ass.

That video is a goddamn embarrassment, and yes, a fraud.

  • "We're learning about violence, because family men need to understand violence and how to properly handle it."

  • "Men, that's what we do, we harness violence."

Violence my ass.

[–]Commander_Nomad0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

If you think your appearance on screen has anything to do with why that's categorized as a dumpster fire then you're a fucking idiot.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What does right look like?

What would you have done differently?

[–]HerukaArisen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

FFS. That was beyond horrible.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

MRP. Building better betas since 2014.

[–]Over60_FireTempered3MRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Building and attracting...bigger and better betas.

[–]SepeanMRP APPROVED7 points8 points  (43 children) | Copy Link

Fill me in here, is someone angry that someone is doing red pill coaching? Guys like Rollo has done that since forever, right?

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED[S] 9 points10 points  (42 children) | Copy Link

The responses to Rian and Hunter in their most recent posts is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to coaching and "the purity" of purpose nags.

Some men are only happy when everyone is miserable, and "true knowledge" is kept in secret societies with faggoty handshakes and funny hats.

What the people who pay to get up to speed quickly learn, is that you still need to do the work to get results.

[–]Commander_Nomad7 points8 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

It's hard to lump Rian and Hunter together if you know the history, and I know you do.

 

Rian, went from the "tilist" where he offered good advice while trolling for lolz, to (through a couple of progressions) a monetizing guy who still puts out a ton of free content but has decided to take a profit when available. I have no idea what he's making and don't care. But from having been here a minute the back of the napkin estimate for his ROI on hours spent in this space is really low. At least to this point, he's given way more than he's taken. I don't always agree with him, and his version of RP differs a bit from my version, but I respect the authenticity.

 

Hunter is a posturing actor. He is a trad-con purple church boy trying to cash out. He rewrote the free 60DoD to 31DtM to get paid for something he didn't come up with. He got epically trolled, blew up in a multi-reddit DEERfest meltdown, sabotaged all his credibility, deleted all his word-vomit, and took his ball and went home. Goes radio silent (in this space) for nearly a year. Shitstorm of purple/blue/red voices commences in this space, factions split, and suddenly there's room to maneuver again. Now suddenly (and completely coincidentally I'm sure) he's back like nothing happened? He's not deserving of some hardcore shit slinging? Fuck that, he's earned the hard road to redemption.

[–]weakandsensitive5 points6 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

If you're trying to punch below the belt, hard to do I know, you left out the part of him staying with a wife who cheated on him.

Now personally, I don't care that much because if there's anything I know, it's that there's enough people out there who want to LARP progress that there's a market need to be satisfied. Can't fault a man for hustling.

There's no purity in life. Everyone's a whore - it's just a matter of price. And anyone who isn't, is ideologically pure, but a moron practically.

Maybe the difference this time around there will be less fucks given about being called a midget with t-rex arms.

[–]Commander_Nomad2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I intentionally avoided a Smurf reference, no amount of self improvement can change a guy's height. I'd forgotten about the forgiven cheating though.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

To be fair, that was only when they were dating, not when married.

Not that it makes it any better, of course.

[–]red-sfpplustells 1000 lb club pussies to fuck off4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I knew there was another reason I was no longer fond of TFA.

[–]ex_addict_broDivorced - MRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It was the family handjob

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's not an enviable position. What do you do then, divorce and lose your kids, or suck it up and go do some revenge fucking?

No matter what one does in that situation, someone is going to think them the bad guy. He doesn't hide it or pretend it didn't happen, and thats not nothin.

[–]Commander_Nomad0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It depends on the position. "Just dating" and she got some strange, no problem you should have too. After a talk and agreement about monogomy, that's a betrayal of trust and she's no longer a viable long term partner.

 

Revelation after the fact, and you've already wife'd her up, that's can't-ever-trust-her and I'm working on an exit plan. YMMV of course. I'll admit I'm not as forgiving as many.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, it's an interesting social experiment.

I'd bet a lot of the anger is from most guys who would do the same thing, but wish they wouldn't.

Meh

[–]Over60_FireTempered3MRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

To me dating time is fair game. Either one can get jollys with who ever. That's why it's called dating. Frankly, I never understood why he got so torn up by it. But I'm not concerned with past things so much.

[–]Commander_Nomad0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It depends. "Dating" is casual, no harm no foul. Fucking around after an agreement of monogomy is very different. That's a breach of trust.

 

The former is no worries, the latter is a red flag.

[–]weakandsensitive1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is it though? Or is it the same thing I tell guys -- "you ever consider you deserved to be cheated on?"

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

midget hobbit

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah, I didn’t handle that one the best.

Though I did learn a valuable lesson which he served me well when dealing with others since then.

The art of communication.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Meh, for me it is the continued association with Anthony that has the jury still out for Hunter. Provide a platform. Speak at the Patriarchs convention. Seems great. Charge betas $2k a pop to hear people speak (nice business move there). That’s all well and good.

It doesn’t change the fact that when you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. Character is who you associate with.

And I predict that Hunter will only associate with Anthony as long as he’s useful. When usefulness is at a end, so will their relationship be.

Anyway, value is as value does. Rule zero. If messages stay on point, that’s fine. Otherwise, take it somewhere else.

[–]itiswr1ttenMRP APPROVED3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

If you can watch 45 seconds of this and not know where you stand on anyone involved I'm open to further discussion

https://youtu.be/DAISmaRDQFc

/u/chump_no_more tag

[–]Chump_No_MoreHard Core Nuclear Navy Red0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Hadn't seen this... Didn't need 45 sec.

Not interested in what they're selling.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, this is not at all what we were doing back in 2017.

Though this reminds me of my buddy Chris, on his boarding party course with a broken hand. Had to power through so he didn't get kicked off so said the shaking was just beign nervous. He spent 7 months on deployment doing more sun tans than boardings up and down the horn of Africa.

My watch had to board more ships to configure their communications equipment. I still never let him hear the end of it

[–]Chump_No_MoreHard Core Nuclear Navy Red0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, this is not at all what we were doing back in 2017.

That vid looks like a steaming pile of LARP-ing to me.

Boarding Party Training with a broken hand? Bro, that's brutal.

FWIW, we let the puddle jumpers, aka Coast Guard, handle that shit.

FIL is a retired CG captain. Skippered the big ships... well, Cutters are big for the CG.

Whenever I want to get his goat, I call the CG puddle jumpers. Works every time.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wish I could call them, we had to do sovpats instead, the build our own icebreakers

[–]itiswr1ttenMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the LARP to end all LARPs, friend. Bunch of DYELs, escaped mental patients like Hulse, and deluded narcissists fishing for omegas and divorced dad bods looking for someone to tell them they're already awesome.

[–]weakandsensitive0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

el oh fucking el.

is this the newest evolution of neck beards?

[–]itiswr1ttenMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Definitely. Neckbeards wore a gentleman costume to hide the angry beta underneath. These guys wear alpha costumes

[–]ex_addict_broDivorced - MRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fuck them both

[–]johneyapocalypseTold Death to Fuck Off - MRP is easy mode1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed.

[–]Chump_No_MoreHard Core Nuclear Navy Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Meh, for me it is the continued association with Anthony that has the jury still out for Hunter.

Agreed. Hence my reference to the 'turf war'. Just watching to see what value he adds to the sub.

It doesn’t change the fact that when you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. Character is who you associate with.

Again, agreed.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ll take it, if you guys weren’t taking shit I’d think there was a problem and this place had changed for the worse.

[–]Chump_No_MoreHard Core Nuclear Navy Red4 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

I hear you.

I don't have a problem with red pill coaching.

I have a problem with purple pill coaching, which should not be confused with "purity of purpose".

Rian is solid. He's applying red pill praxeology to build men as their mental points of origin.

The jury is still out with Hunter. The timing of him returning to MRP and the current manosphere turf war has my spidey-sense tingling, so I am paying attention to what he does. Give him rope, and see what he does with it. Time will tell.

[–]amalgamator1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Outoftheloop - what “turf war”?

[–]hystericalbonding8 points9 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

There isn't one. This is an old conversation about dumb fucks who take online politics way too seriously.

I've said it a hundred times - red pill advice is mainstream advice. Blue pill is guys who are too sheltered or stupid to understand how the world works. Purple isn't a thing. This nonsense about purple pill vs hardcore red, and other crab bucket tribalism drives away useful contributors. We're left with bitches and whiners. If I had the patience to be a mod, I would have temp banned several flaired guys this week alone.

There, got my own whining done. Feel much better now. Time to go lift. Maybe we can all come back and talk strategy later instead of gossiping like faggots.

[–]TaipanshimshonMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'd be handing out bans to even some " hard core red" guys for giving bad fucking advice

[–]weakandsensitive2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Meh - people who are flaired know how to fling shit and take shit flinging. That's why they're flaired.

It's everyone else I don't give a shit about.

[–]HitEmWiththeHein 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Flair isn’t a magical shield against being wrong. Metaphorically sucking the dicks of mods isn’t any better than sucking your wife’s metaphorical dick. You should be learning to create your own frame.

[–]weakandsensitive[M] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey - check out my frame!

If you don't understand why flaired people get more slack than joe random nobody, I don't know what to tell you.

If flaired people think that makes them special, they're not going to be flaired long.

Edit: I'm a big fan of when guys make the point for me.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I have to disagree. The purple guys exist, as do their bitchy wives.

If I had to put a pin on it, I'd say a huge lack of mentorship has cause a glut of psychological issues that prevent people from self actualization. Add to that a legal system that doesn't cater to peoples older mental models and you have a recipie for wide spread fucked up miserable people.

Then again, it's because I've never run out of material with clients yet that I need to bring up any of the MRA unfairness in the world, so maybe that's a more advanced concept.

[–]umizumiz0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Also, having mostly female teachers from grade school thru high school doesn't help. Especially when they create the curriculum as well.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I was luck and had a retired sailor as my 5th grade teacher, plus a bunch of pothead instructors that used to drink with us on weekends

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ex army Scoutmaster for me. That dude was a badass.

[–]financeandfirepowerWife gets him schoolgirl outfits7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hunter was a gateway drug to you guys for me. Two years ago google searched “How to turn my wife into a slut” I was a fat lazy pussy and that search led me to discovering MRP lifting and sidebar. This stuff belongs to none of us and anybody who can package it as snake oil and monetize it good for you and thanks for your contribution. I personally am thankful I can make a a lot more money doing something else other thinking about you fags all day. Currently I am having so much fun throwing my kids around in the pool this year. Daddy is much stronger. Keep grindin’ fellas!

[–]SammyD1st1 point2 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Ya but that’s different from selling soap...

[–]Maximus_Valerius0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

Soap? I thought Bob endorsed Craftsman tools...

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR3 points4 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Tactical soap...

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Am I the only one who actually liked the soap?

[–]Commander_Nomad1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Probably.

 

Dude was the backmarker of RMG from the start. The try-hard posturing was too apparent. I think most bailed on him long before the soap.

[–]itiswr1ttenMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Aj had a titanic meltdown in TRP over 2yrs ago, in a post about his ex nonetheless.

He called her Medusa.... Hah

[–]itiswr1ttenMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

I am assuming you were sent samples. I would be surprised to hear of any flaired guy buying it, but I've been wrong before.

I believe it's not about the soap but whose pockets it lines

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

We could say that for YouTube revenue also.

Is there any product that exists that doesn't have a blood diamond vibe to it?

[–]itiswr1ttenMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Hmmm. Interesting point. You're cool in my book because you have refined your style to "theory is now baked. Here's what works, fuck everything else." that's the authenticity dragon most are still chasing.

However, there is still room to argue that's stagnation. Remember your sex and violence treatise? You don't post in that zip code, hell even in that hemisphere anymore.

Fine by me, because your version of the toolbox is still 100% red and consistent. My beliefs split from yours when it comes to the relationship between commodities and people - I'm not willing to go fully objective if the soap is good.

To me, the commodity itself purports and profits for something NOT red, more importantly something that has co-opted real work that helps guys to sell something that doesn't for the benefit of individuals I detest.

That's where and why I draw my lines

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I wonder then, what exactly would meet your standard? I'm not saying I disagree with what you say on paper, then again, communism looks good on paper.

There's not a product (or arguably a service) that exists for men that isn't laden with symbols of masculinity, but largely promotes consumerism and emotional buying habits.

I'd say the staples, but we just said soap is shit, Gillette made shaving Blue pill... women are taking over on liquor, smoking tries to sell you being high T, whats left?

Bottles of D-bol and pre fab cabins in the woods?

[–]itiswr1ttenMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm of the opinion anything is fine so long as it's not co-opting TRP (free notes written by other men) to promote explicitly non RP things, while cloaking itself in masculinity.

RP is thought not a material commodity or consumer brand (technically the latter is true but being technically correct is for lawyers and dweebs).

"I'm a Red pill guy. Here is some writing/content on the subject. I offer coaching services and pay wall my best stuff. I also like soap, in particular this soap." this is fine.

"INTRODUCING SUPER ALPHA SOAP. HERE'S A LOW RENT SPANISH HOOKER AND A DYEL IN A BATHROBE. RED PILL MASCULINITY BRO." not fine. That's a grade A larp and helps nobody.

As far as your service specifically you're the only non anon RP besides Richard Cooper I would freely recommend to my readers/PMs/fan club.

I used to think you sold yourself short by not engaging in the more intellectual or philosophical, but I've changed my stance on that. Our flaired guys are also tools (heh) in the toolbox. We need "practical or fuck off" and MRP at its core relates to that message best.

Leave the metaphysics, giga omegas, and Indian programmers to me. I'll figure out how to deal with that audience.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

LBGs are cancer.

[–]Commander_Nomad0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, any time you offer information for purchase it's a blood diamond vibe. The cost of obtaining the information is an unknown, the cost of sharing the information (in this digital age) is nothing. So it's always considered a money grab. Even a "subscribe to my email list and get free content" is now widely (and correctly) viewed as a money grab.

 

You're in an odd space. You haven't publicly tied yourself to a shameless commercialization, yet you're one of the few old-school veterans that hasn't gone full monetary or just faded away.

 

Personal opinion here: keep on keeping on, you still have an authenticity that none of the other public figures have. Richard is close-ish, but he didn't come up through the ranks. Rollo is Mr. Theoretical, but it doesn't jive with his authenticity. Besides his aversion to a gym, decent style (Affliction, really?), and hiding his baldness rather than shaving it and owning, he just comes across as a try-hard and it just adds to the man-behind-the-curtain feel. He published the evo-psych work, but he's less authentic by the day.

 

Oh, and BTW, your navy brothers all have wives and families now. I dare you to call them up to come help bury a body. Been there, done that, they aren't what you think you have. Not a complaint, but from personal experience with a similar brotherhood I promise the V gets in the way for most of them.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would say the kids get in the way of shovel buddies. Especially my one friend. Wife forgot her birth control and I know he can't stand her, she's an alcoholic and a horrible.mother.

If it wasn't because of the kids he would be gone

[–]UnPussified1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Bugging me too. Guys piling-on with vigilante fire-stick marches to chase away those who would dare challenge a Zen-Master teacher, AND/or any number of Charlatans who've roped dopes into paying.

Those knives cut both ways.

Some guys have a notion that they've somehow got skin in the game by paying a monthly stipend, or by "rooting for their team" have ego-investments which blind them on Twitter. Acting like "I'm paying to follow him, get outta OUR classroom!"

Inevitably changes a Twitter feed into an echo-chamber.

Cause? Un-Moderated & Lack of Rule Zero.

Observation (my recent conclusion):

Twitter should be ONLY for entertainment / laughs.

Twitter is more like a cattle-casting-call for that show Wipe-Out, than a place to test ideas & learn.

MRP meanwhile, is lot more like hitting the gym with like-minded guys willing to lift heavy, without the threat of being sucker-punched by the clown-posse Big Red Boxing Glove.

At least Bob Vila gets respect in here.

[–]SteelToeShitKicker1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Bugging me too. Guys piling-on with vigilante fire-stick marches to chase away those who would dare challenge a Zen-Master teacher, AND/or any number of Charlatans who've roped dopes into paying.

Where are these flame wars? Have I completely missed them? Did I participate and not know? Hmm. So much drama, I noticed none of it. Just a slightly higher rate of extra nooby noobs.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

You missed the fun on the main sub and Twitter.

[–]SteelToeShitKicker1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

You mean TRP? I don't go to that scary place of despair and hopelessness. Guess I did miss it.

[–]Over60_FireTempered3MRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

That's where you go if you fail here. :) red pill hell. lol echoing

[–]SteelToeShitKicker1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, TRP always seemed like a bunch of incel whiners who don't want to put in the work and instead bash women and chad. And whine about how short/indian/whatever men don't have a chance. Plus, the constant crush of new users has always made fighting the good fight seem useless.

vidya is alpha bro!

[–]Over60_FireTempered3MRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Had to look up 'vidya' . I continue to be amazed...

[–]SteelToeShitKicker0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It really bothered my to write it. Fucking millennials. I'll save everyone the search, it's short for "video game".

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The GenZ guys are running roughshod over the millenials with their resident tren boy leading them to the promised land

[–]weakandsensitive0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If it's the synopsis I got, it wasn't really that fun.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Just look up @breathetyb or @brothermorpheus if you have a morbid curiosity.

[–]SteelToeShitKicker0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

LOL, both deleted.

Must have been good.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]SteelToeShitKicker0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fuck. Yeah, that's the reason I stay off twitter. Something about that place just sends people off the deep end.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No moderation available

[–]Reach180MRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

People resented Bob Vila, but loved Norm Abram.

Bob was fake, scripted, and always selling some bullshit. Bob Vila made you feel like he was hiding something or swindling the viewer.

Norm was genuine, did good fucking work, and always stole the show.

Lesson in there, or somethinerother.

[–]Over60_FireTempered3MRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

People resented Bob Vila

Really? Is that how he stayed on the air so long? You can't (I don't think you can) back that up with facts...

[–]Reach180MRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

What kind of facts are you looking for exactly?

[–]Over60_FireTempered3MRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

First I corrected my original statement.

My second correction: it's your statement about Vila, what do you base it on, other than your own opinion?

[–]Reach180MRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Home Improvement, the 90s sitcom, was kind of riffing on that dynamic. Crowd loved Al Borland, the quiet everyman, and kind of thought Tim was more TV personality than handyman.

It was obviously heightened for TV. But it was loosely based on Bob & Norm and their personas on This Old House.

[–]Over60_FireTempered3MRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good enough.

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lock it up.

Got to see useless critique, secret kings, bloviation and dudes using "my readers" unironically. All in one person even.

Horses. Water. Drinking.

27K and climbing...

[–]johneyapocalypseTold Death to Fuck Off - MRP is easy mode0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As always, you spark some intriguing discourse.

:-)

dudes using "my readers" unironically

Lol.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok, I got your message.

This old house will not be renewed for a second season

[–]Elvis_Death 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am a journeyman carpenter ( with an edumahcation) and I respect your effort --- however, I have no idea WTF your poast is attempting to achieve.

What are you saying?

[–]UnbreakableFrameGrinding0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I really like Rian a lot. Monetizing things is a way to dedicate more time to them. If that's what he wants his mission to be, I respect that.

[–]screechhaterMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can pay for the help and cut the curve but when it comes right down to it, no one will be holding your dick while deep into it.

Frame. STFU, lift and remember, she dies not think. She feels. Feels you getting hawghter. Feelz the Dread.

You think.

I’ll let you pay me. You won’t like the course work. But I’ll get you there in 90 days.

[–]TaipanshimshonMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I charge for my time as well. And Bob will be helping me set up my own consulting business once I do some actual work at it. Thanks Bob

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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