Men say: "We prefer natural women". Do they really? RPW perspective on make-up.

pcadrian · 2016-08-10T16:55:27+00:00

I will save you the trouble of speculating. Men prefer women that don't look like a birthday cake. It's that simple. Natural to us means we can't tell for sure if you're wearing any makeup, but you don't look like you just got out of bed.

Ladies, a lot of make up just looks whorish. The same goes for certain types of clothing. I mean yes, it WILL absolutely get you male attention, but realize men are attracted to those things for pump/dump. We are thinking yep that girl looks easy and I haven't had any in a week, I'll go talk to her. But women on this sub want to increase their relationship value, not just their sexual value. It is better to be more subtle, fly under the radar a bit, let's just say a relationship-oriented guy will have a radar that's calibrated differently. As long as you show openness to being approached, he'll come sweep you off your feet.

LSDMusicLady · 2016-08-10T10:32:04+00:00

Don't listen to what men say, pay attention to what they do.

They say they hate makeup, but drool over women wearing makeup. One of the first things my husband told me was that he hates makeup, and yet he only ever compliments my face when I have some on.

That said, I am yet to meet a man to likes too much makeup.

Mentathiel · 2016-08-10T13:48:22+00:00

If you're naturally beautiful, however, I think there's a huge benefit in wearing no make-up or just a little of it. And it's in the very reason why guys go on about preferring all natural. When you're attractive and natural, they tend to feel safer choosing you because they feel like they've got certainty with your SMV, while someone who looks more attractive might be deceiving them and having lower SMV.

That being said, my SO told me he doesn't like makeup much, but thinks a bit of mascara/lip gloss do emphasize femininity, so now I wear minimal makeup for him sometimes.

Oh, and a funny story, I've posted like two FB profile pics with red lipstick in a row and got a random guy (boyfriend of my friend, we used to hang out in a larger group of friends, I think he might've been interested in me back then, but I wasn't) messaging me about how I "don't need makeup" etc. I still don't understand how in the seven hells did he consider it any of his business. On top of that, he wasn't satisfied even when I said I don't normally wear it, it was just for some events and I liked the pictures, at which point I removed myself from the conversation. XD

squirrelcuisine · 2016-08-10T16:33:32+00:00

Funny my wife puts on makeup to the point of I cannot see it. She says "It looks better that way" Honestly. I wish she would learn to glamor it up when we go out more. Ive seen it on her ONCE and it looked amazing. (Done when she was a bridesmaid)

Of course I am 45 and this trend to make women look more like men I cannot stand. So I am the complete opposite of these guys that say I want an emaciated, flat chested (Because she is so thin) woman with no makeup wearing a polo shirt.

Nope.. not this guy.

The1WhoCsAll · 2016-08-10T16:40:43+00:00

When we men say we don't like makeup, we are saying "I hate being lied to with makeup." Some women look like two different persons with and without makeup.

If you have a pimple and use makeup to cover it or want to match your lipstick and nail polish, no one will be mad at you. But you have to notice that its dishonest to transform from a SMV5 to an SMV8 through makeup wizardry to attain affection from a male 8. He won't be pleased when he learns of the deception. Its fraudulent and potentially manipulative if he begins a relationship with someone he's never actually seen, then guilt is used to leverage him in. Yes, Ive seen it happen and no, its not cute.

Men cannot relate to how you feel because we don't wear makeup. We are who we are everyday and we are also judged on our looks. Women feel more judged for their looks, but its really no different for unattractive men.

loneliness-inc · 2016-08-10T12:33:38+00:00

I wear a full face of makeup at least 5 days a week and my husband always compliments how minimal I am with makeup. I'm not minimal at all but I'm using matte eyeshadow, thin eyeliner, subtle bronzer, etc. A clown and a Victoria's Secret model are probably using the same amount of product but technique and color choices are a huge factor.

loneliness-inc · 2016-08-10T11:38:04+00:00

I am a man and I hate makeup.

Well, that's not 100% accurate because it's too broad of a statement, covering way too many women. So let's explain a little.

In my opinion, every person in the world, has both beautiful/handsome and ugly features. Everyone! I have yet to meet anyone even the most beautiful, who doesn't have some flaws. I have yet to meet anyone, even the most ugly, who does not have some beautiful features.

Another key point is that a certain look may be revoltingly ugly to one and stunningly beautiful to another.

Having said that, in my opinion, a little touch up to your face is awesome, a cake face is terrible.

Why?

Because when you use minimal makeup, you're merely highlighting your pretty features. You're accentuating your value. However, with a cake face you're becoming a whole different person and that's why it's seen as deceptive.

Makes sense?

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vanBeethovenLudwig · 2016-08-10T10:21:38+00:00

There are a few things you can do to maximize your natural beauty without makeup as well. Keeping a healthy weight enhances your facial bone structure, tweezing eyebrows and upper lip allows for a groomed look, skincare products or dermatologist prescribed antibiotics/retinol makes for a healthier natural complexion without caking on foundation. OP is correct that you are unfortunately born with what you have, but I believe these three grooming tips can increase your natural beauty instantly.

Edit: Don't forget hairstyle! If you have fine hair, style it in a way it looks fuller, if you have frizzy hair perhaps look into getting it chemically straightened for a more polished look.

cantwrapmyheadaround · 2016-08-11T04:49:43+00:00

You girls are lucky that you have an "out" of being "less than pretty." :-)

How disgusted would most women be with a man using shoe-inserts, to make himself taller?

Submissively_yours · 2016-08-10T12:45:32+00:00

I think one of the greatest self-confidence boosts is waking up early, putting on at least bb cream, some matte nude eyeshadow, mascara, and tinted lipgloss, before even doing any morning chores. It makes me feel so put-together. And then if I want to do more, it's easy to go add to my face.

2016-08-10T14:07:20+00:00

What men actually want is naturally beautiful women. If you're not one of them use all the tools you have to raise your SMV and feel absolutely no shame about it.

More or less correct. Of course, the trouble comes with being objective enough to clearly evaluate where you are on the 1-10 scale. There are women who are clearly 9.5s who think theyre 6s and there are women who are 4s who think they're 10s.

Here's my personal experience:

Barring injuries and birth defects, most women are not objectively ugly. Oh sure, a woman might be plain or have an unattractive feature, but most physical deficiencies can be made up for with other physical attributes; or even character attributes to a lesser extent.
Most guys who say to a woman, "I prefer natural women", are trying to elevate themselves above 'those guys who only judge women on their looks'. It is, basically, a statement of dishonesty since the speaker still (as you have pointed out) still prefers naturally beautiful women.
Personal anecdote: My exwife, when I married her, was a solid 7 sans cosmetics. And at 25 years old, it was easy for her to get away with very minimal makeup, if any at all. But a few years, and 40 pounds, later she'd lost much of her youthful beauty (along with her vibrancy of spirit which was very attractive to me as well). And once she reached this point I began to only get that "wow" feeling when she'd put on makeup if we were going somewhere special.

So what do I prefer (as if any of you had a reason to care)? It is true the "cake" look is off putting, but maybe that's because I'm an 80s kid and associated that with this and this, but if I have the choice of just two women of equal base attractiveness, one with make up and one without, then I'm going to be more drawn to the one who has enhanced her beauty with cosmetics (hoping that she'll have pleasant demeanor to match).

AntiFeministWoman · 2016-08-10T18:46:48+00:00

Most men don't hate makeup unless they view it as morally or religiously wrong. Most men simply hate obvious makeup. Pick the colors that look most natural on you, contour any parts of your face that you dislike, take care of your skin.

2016-08-10T20:39:31+00:00

I'm not going to argue that make-up does great things. But I despise the amount of time 'invested'. Holy hell, there is only so much time in a day and the time a woman is in the bathroom putting on her make up and eye lashes isn't spent bonding and having fun.

And sometimes they get acne and clogged pours, so they put on more makeup to cover it. More acne and clogged pours.

Kiddingyoself · 2016-08-11T04:03:44+00:00

A few points..

1, The more obvious it is you're wearing makeup, the more likely someone will think you're wearing too much. I am no expert, but I imagine most men would like when they aren't sure you're wearing makeup at all. More often than not, less than too much makeup will likely be preferred, to having no effect.. whereas "too much" can be a negative for some.

2, Damage to your skin. Dolling up for perceived short term benefit, time and again, forsaking the long term health of your skin, is a bad plan! Know what you're doing, and don't use shit products.

3, Assumption of high maintenance. Men who appreciate the lengths women go through to look good can find it exhausting if you can never do anything together without 3 hours of notice & prep time. Whether or not it takes you a long time to put on makeup, just realize that some guys may take it that way.

4, "Grass is always greener." Some women really do lose perspective as to when they're making changes for change sake. If you want to look "special", that same face you see every day in the mirror won't cut it, right? Not necessarily. I once thought that if I ever had a daughter, I'd dye her hair, and keep it really short, so that she'd eventually think of her natural hair color, & long hair, was novel.

There's a lot of shit marketed to women, preying on their insecurities. If you asked men if they wanted you to do all that crazy, up, hairstyles for them, you'd likely find that they prefer you to leave it down, and natural... though at the same time, want you to like the way you look, and if your normal look isn't special enough for you, do what you've got to do. Just keep in mind that, truly, it could be just a bunch of your own stuff.

"There's no such thing as an ugly woman, only unhealthy women." If you take as much care of your health as you possibly can, makeup probably registers only slightly, if at all, with most men. Conversely, you know what would likely make an impression? A woman who was obviously taking ideal care of herself, and was therefore confident enough to leave her hair down, and wear little to no makeup (again, this isn't about "confidence being attractive".. If you cultivate the health, you, on your own, are likely fair more attractive than you know.).

GoochMcGrundle · 2016-08-17T14:58:54+00:00

Men value women 99% on looks. Telling a girl to be natural is, in other words telling her: "I know you can raise your value by 250%, but please don't and be honest, ok?"

that's some uncut crazytalk right there

2016-08-10T23:19:20+00:00

"I am judged on something I have no control over"

Now you know how short guys or guys with below average looks or early baldness or countless other flaws feel. And note, with a lot of women a man below 6 foot is a deal breaker yet average male height is below 6 foot.

The truth is, no makeup levels the playing field.

opinionatedpuck · 2016-08-11T17:48:35+00:00

Some men prefer plainer girls...There is nothing wrong with make up, the problem with most girls is that they don't know when to stop or where to draw the line, they go overboard and end up looking like a billboard in china town...

tetsuzankou · 2016-08-15T15:17:05+00:00

I'm a man and this thread caught my attention I actually hate make-up, even more if it's heavy. My girlfriend stopped wearing it after she realised I won't go out with her wearing it. I'll only allow in case of weddings and formal events. But it has to be little no to no make-up. Make-up may help girls who are not "naturally beautiful", but make beautiful girls awful. To be honest, just try to please your man. If he says something, 90% of times they're being truthful, otherwise you'd know, you can grasp these kind of things easily.

rproller · 2016-08-10T12:37:36+00:00

This is one of the more balanced points of view regarding wearing makeup I've ever seen. Brava!

I'm sure there are ladies out there who can't hide their flaws/accentuate their good features without a ton of makeup. What's your opinion on plastic surgery that--like makeup--"boosts" features, like pumping collagen into your lips to make them more full, or to make your butt look more round? I'm not talking about restructuring your facial bones or anything drastic.

2016-08-10T14:15:56+00:00

I like women that wear make-up and are proficient at it. It's infinitely interesting to me. Though I do prefer the 'no make-up' makeup look. But I will say I've seen some very heavy & pale make-up artistry that looked interesting and pretty to me but those are just photographs. It's probably freaky IRL.

Anyway I think that what gets men in a bind about women with make-up is just that after awhile women tend to become slack in their beautification in LTRs and men learn this so they wrongly tend to focus on getting women that are naturally beautiful without make-up when what matters more is just the maintenance of their partner's willingness to impress them.

I've kind of resolved to not cohabitate with women any more just because I've found that they can't healthily sustain that level of willingness to impress over time. I'd rather have myself be regarded as more of an event that calls for some preparation and not some habitual thing (I mean at least for dates etc. I'd like to have it both ways sometime and be casual too. Idk man haha).

tl;dr: Men focus on natural beauty because of the tendency for slacking with beautification effort that comes from most LTRs.

happilymarried30yrs · 2016-08-10T16:07:17+00:00

When men say they don't like makeup, they mean "too much" makeup

sunkindonut149 · 2016-08-10T16:43:20+00:00

Most cishet men know little to nothing about makeup and other aspects of women's grooming traditions. To them, "makeup" means Tammy Faye Bakker. "Artificial" haircolors to most men means bleaching your hair to the maximum or dye it fire engine red, not fine weave foils.

Its like most cishet women find male to male dominance behaviors to be alien and view them as toxic masculinity when they are not, they simply are not understandable from a perspective outside men's culture.

2016-08-11T16:25:45+00:00

I disagree with this post completely, the main reason being that the solution to the cruel system you're offering is temporary and will lead to complications you were better off without in the first place, like for instance, the girl can only blame herself if i leave or treat her negatively after i realize that i'm not attracted to how she naturally looks, and i might not be a gentleman about it too.

what i secondarily disagree with here is that the system is not as cruel as you think it is, Amanads are way more challenged and it's way more difficult for them to meet the criteria that men who want stable long term relationships are looking for, it's mainly because Amandas receive more attention leading to a tendency for developing destructive behavior (i,e more temptation to ride the CC, a tendency to develop a horrible personality (since orbiters and whatnot don't care about that) and less motivation to develop crucial skills etc..), also they have more enemies and have to deal with a lot of "Nice Guys" so it's not as easy for them as it may look, As teenagers, me and every guy i knew fancied an Amanda at one point of our life, right now, i can safely say that the amount of Amandas circulating my fields of interest is Zero. However, if an Amanda managed to keep her senses together she will have the biggest prize, because she deserves it. This rarely happens so most of the time everything is left for everyone else.

Another point, just like the first comment mentioned, you do have some control over the matter, there are many other ways to improve yourself other than the deception of makeup.

tl;dr deception is a bad idea.

francinerose · 2016-08-11T17:58:15+00:00

There is a good documentary about attractiveness and beauty on Netflix

Anyways just because you are a 6 and other women are a 10... Doesn't mean the system is rigged

You can date men that are a 4-7 in looks and have power/money that raises their SMV... You date around your number....

francinerose · 2016-08-11T17:58:57+00:00

Remember your man will HAVE to see you without all that make up on at night. In the shower, giving birth, hiking, swimming. Etc

2016-08-14T20:19:17+00:00

"Sorry, Amanda wins. But...I worked hard to... Amanda is better, bye."

LOL love it. Very true.

noodleworld · 2016-08-17T18:39:57+00:00

In the same vein, don't ever doubt yourself in getting plastic surgery to fix a part of your body that you have been told is ugly. I mean, do your research, find a great surgeon ofc, but don't shy away from the surgery because you're worried about being "fake" or something

Kiddingyoself · 2016-08-22T02:58:19+00:00

This just reminded me of this thread.

rproller · 2016-08-10T12:57:15+00:00

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