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You’re new to MRP. Your life sucks. Your wife doesn’t. We get it. Your biggest problem is frame. Frame comes in two parts… physical frame and mental frame. You lack both.

Building physical frame is easy. You hit the gym, you lift heavy, you eat right, and you sleep well. Next time you hit the gym, you lift heavier, you eat right and you sleep well. Rinse and repeat.

One to two years later, you’re no longer a skinny / fat fuck and people take notice of you.. women in particular. It’s a long process, but relatively speaking, it’s easy – you don’t have to be intelligent to lift weights, you just need to be determined.

It’s also easy to map out your goals, record your progress and adjust your approach if things aren’t going quite as planned.

The best place to measure your strength is here:

https://symmetricstrength.com/

Dial in your latest lifts and don’t bullshit yourself with 1RMs you’ve never tested.

How did you do? Score of around 30-50? Subpar to Novice Level? Sounds about right. You still don’t know what strength is but at least you know how weak you are.

Yeah, you’re a weak motherfucker. Suck it up.

Mental frame isn’t so easy. There is no website where you can measure its strength. There is no gym you can go to to make it stronger. There is no roadmap to building a better frame. The sidebar will help you get there but in the end, your frame has to be yours – it has to be built by you, handcrafted by you, made rock solid by you. It becomes – not just part of who you are – but the essence of who you are.

A good litmus test for frame is this –

- Do you struggle with the concept of frame?

- Do you think about frame a lot?

- Do you often wonder whose frame you are in?

- Do you often think about whether you held frame / broke frame in certain situations?

- Do you worry about other people’s opinions of you?

- Do you spend time thinking about what your wife might be thinking about?

- Do you have to keep reminding yourself that you “are the prize”?

- Do you ever ask yourself “do I have the frame to do this?”

If you answered yes to any one of those questions, your frame is weak. If you answered yes to all of those questions, your frame is non-existent. You still don’t know what strength is but at least you have an idea of how weak you are.

One thing building mental frame has in common with building physical frame, is that it takes time. You can't walk into the gym as a skinny fuck and expect to walk out 2 months later as a beast. It just won’t happen. The same applies to mental frame... you're basically doing a mental recomposition and you're doing it without a roadmap. How you get there comes down to you.. the road will never be the same for two people. A lot of the time you're finding your way in the dark. You'll fuck up a lot along the way. But really, there's no other way to do it.

Mental frame must never be neglected – all the concepts you read about in MRP stem from this and form a feedback loop with it.. Outcome Indpendence, Leadership, IDGAF, being the Captain, being The Prize etc.. using these concepts will help you build frame and when you have solid frame, all of those things become easy.

The biggest Litmus Test of all is this – when you no longer think about frame or worry about it, when it becomes second nature to you and becomes part of your nature – that’s when you know you have frame. That’s when you know what real strength is.

Until you build frame – both physical and mental frame – you will never see any real progression. You can’t devlop one and not bother with the other. There’s no point in being a strong, muscular fucker if your mental frame is shit. You’ll just be a strong muscular fucker who can still be mentally pulled apart and shat on by women.

You can’t have a rock solid mental frame and be a fat fuck because you’ll still be a fat fuck.

You need both. You need to be strong both mentally and physically.

Until then, you don’t know how weak you are because you don’t know what strength is.


[–]FoxShitNasty83Grinding11 points12 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Physical score: 58

Mental score: (sad face)

Work to do, "the only way is up..... Baby!"

[–]SBIIISAHDs are the epitome of sex[S] 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Physical score: 54 .. keep at it, dude - another few months and you'll be at intermediatte level.

[–]FoxShitNasty83Grinding1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah plugged in wrong numbers so closer to 58 chest and lats need work. My mentallity / frame are weak as fuck needs work I think I need a complete reset on this front.

[–]SBIIISAHDs are the epitome of sex[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

If you have lagging body parts, you aim for Weak Point Training to bring them up to speed. You don't reset and restart everything from the beginning.

Same goes for mental frame - don't reset - focus on the weak areas and watch the overall strength go up.

[–]FoxShitNasty83Grinding0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

For me it's knowing where to start, lifting is easy that looks heavy pick it up put it back down repeat add weight (a process). The mental shit is another story, I'm a hands on problem fixing hard working man. How do I even begin to unfuck my head in terms of the smallest thing I can change without overanalyzing the fuck out of every internal mental interaction.

[–]hello_yousif0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do more lifts like squats, dead lifts, pull ups, and bench. They improve your whole shape. Then focus on smaller muscles like biceps and calfs.

[–]FoxShitNasty83Grinding2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks getting plenty of that I'm doing wendler 531 BBB. Working around lower back pain so building weight back up slowly. Made adjustments to form

[–]RedPill-BlackLotusMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

When I look my absolute best I'm weak as a kitten.

[–]freekshow880 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

56.2 so I’m right there with you. My pull ups killed my score. I know what I’ll be hitting hard tomorrow.

[–]FoxShitNasty83Grinding0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Same, recently started 5 sets of 10 after lifting. I get 5 to 6 each time.

[–]SBIIISAHDs are the epitome of sex[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Try doing the pull ups before you start lifting. Guarantee you'll get more reps after a few sessions. Hit the weak areas first.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I did that today. Don't like pull ups but I can do 12-15 fresh wide grip. I did a set at the end of the workout and did maybe 7. My biceps usually go first.

[–]threekindsofluckyGrinding0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Intermediate: 62

Sounds about right.

Being carried across the line by weighted pull-ups (score 69.3)

[–]FlynnjacklepappyGrinding0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Mine’s a 51. Looks like I have work to do. Truth is I already knew.

[–]stoicstephen5 points6 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

It's weird that I don't see meditation (as a great mental frame building tool that it is), mentioned a lot in this or TRP sub.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because too many guys use it as a coping strategy.

Frame that isn't tested in the real world isn't frame, it's masturbation without the money shot

[–]stoicstephen1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're right.

After writing that comment, I realized that meditation besides being good for frame building, it is even better for frame holding.

If you can't control your train of thought, or if you are easily controlled by your emotions, then you can't hold frame.

And that's the focus of meditation, to focus on one thing (your breath) and disregard anything else that isn't that one thing.

Although, if some insight comes up in your mind that is useful for finding resolve in some type of problem in your life, then you can address it. After that go back to your breath.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have been doing it daily. I even use it with my wife to start our time together. Deeply breathing together can help get your mind right. I can tell when she is getting caught up in her thoughts and can say "What are you thinking about now?" And she will share whatever interrupted her breathing. It helps me understand my own anxiety and what is bothering me and I use it to figure out what is up with her so I can help lead her.

If you can't keep a donut out of your mouth what kind of man are you? If you can't keep your emotions together and be calm, same thing. Not being able to quiet your mind is right up there. Critical shit I have avoided for far too long.

[–]johneyapocalypseTold Death to Fuck Off - MRP is easy mode4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm with you on meditation. I'm with stoney on frame.

Two things got me through the darkest of moments, when the end seemed a forgone conclusion: frame and meditation.

My frame by that point was so fucking strong that Shadow Moon couldn't break it.

Until I started drifting into psychosis.

That's when meditation quite literally saved my life.

Guided meditation.

By my wife.

[–]simbarlionMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well that's gone full circle

[–]RPeedEverything is GAY / Dreadful '191 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it's like lifting: not a bad thing to do but it doesn't lead to frame in and of itself.

The "elements of frame" series was pretty good. You can definitely have specific points of failure in terms of physical, mental, emotional and vision.

You may be looking at the mental aspect somewhat in isolation here.

[–]part_wolfPotential Wild Card1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Write up a post on it.

[–]stoicstephen1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I might.

[–]ReddJiveMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I meditate. It used to be talked a lot but as said it was a crutch. I mediate because I am a practicing Stoic. Not because it’s a RP thing to do.

You can take all the cold showers you want, but without the will and the mental toughness your balls just shrivel.

[–]FoxShitNasty83Grinding0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd also be interested in hearing more on this

[–]SBIIISAHDs are the epitome of sex[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Meditation is gay.

[–]twostickfire2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Just starting the RP journey - score is 27.

Each day I am stronger than the last.

Great site.

[–]SBIIISAHDs are the epitome of sex[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's how it's done. I started at 25. I ground it out week after week for 14 months until I hit my goal of 75.

Next goal is the 1000lb Club, 100% symmetry and 10% BF.

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

FUCKING nice.

1000 club would be nice too!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Good shit. There is nothing that makes me more frustrated and angry right now. I want better frame, but I know it only comes with time and reps. There is no shortcut. I am very adept a learning new things and thought I would be able to get my frame where I wanted faster than anyone because of my ego. What I am finding out is that you can't rush it and you can't fake it.

My wife said "You are selling Walmart product but pretending to be Gucci." Ow. She knows my frame is still weak, but its getting stronger every day. What she doesn't know is that by chipping away at me she is building my frame. I can't lift to make it stronger but I can engage in banter. Banter with friends builds frame and dealing with shit tests and cunty women is a great way to build it too.

I saw this post a while back and it really helped me understand how frame works, in fact its a series. It breaks frame up into 3 parts instead of 2 but its communicating the same ideas. Very good read in addition to what you wrote.

If money could buy frame, I would probably stop eating and drinking so I could afford to buy it. Frame gets you EVERYTHING.

[–]hack3geMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

My wife said "You are selling Walmart product but pretending to be Gucci."

Did she really say this? If so that’s some solid AA right there - I like her.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah dude, she has solid game. It's fucked. I have to stfu all the time because I would lose in the moment. For that comment, 100% stfu and a grin.

[–]RP_PO0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Haha damn. That is some solid game. Yea, I think a grin is all I could muster in the moment on that one....only later to think of making fun of her for being one of those “people of Walmart shoppers”. The next step for me is internalizing that it’s her way of flirting and having fun with it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, I am such an autistic fuck that in the past I would hurt her feelings if she said something like that. Its like a little girl pushing you on the playground because she likes you so you punch in the face so she cries.

I did win one exchange as of recent. It was in the same type of conversation with her talking about each of our respective values. "I wanna be a kept woman like Carmella Soprano." I reply with a grin "I am down, then I get to have a gumar." Not well received, but it was funny. She kind of hates when I joke about fucking other women, claims its a "trigger".

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

DTC, our women sounds like sisters. I now realize what I signed up for is not only "RP on nightmare mode" (21 yr LTR) here's the kicker: I find that she AA's me. Not only during shittests, but certainly as a comeback to some of my AA's or fogging. When I found RP ... I paused and reflected. "holy shit, she's been doing this to me the whole time" (AA or A and D) I think she picked it up mirroring her father, as a way to combat his verbal assaults. I even recall, pre RP, earlier in 2019, when we argued about something "important" to me, in retrospect, she AM'd me. Smirking and condescending in her replies. h o l y s h i t.

As such, the Game and Looks side of things have helped, but only Frame will win the day for me. I now understand why there was such an imbalance along the way. Can't rambo - too much power shift will freak her out - a bit of progress every day/week/month. It only matters that I am better than I was yesterday.

[–]FoxShitNasty83Grinding0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the links, I haven't seen those before.

[–]RPeedEverything is GAY / Dreadful '194 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How did you do? Score of around 30-50? Subpar to Novice Level? Sounds about right. You still don’t know what strength is but at least you know how weak you are.

Is it meant to be a number? I just made out the words:

"DOMINATOR"

Flicker across the screen before the device exploded and the entire block went dark. Two pregnant women in the building spontaneously went into labor too.

Weird.

[–]umizumiz2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sites still down, RPeed. Come on, man. You knew the program couldn't handle it and you did it anyway.

[–]RP_PO3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This fucking post is a right cross to my jaw. I am becoming my mission statement, and frame is my biggest growth area.

Thats a badass app. Sold.

[–]red-sfpplustells 1000 lb club pussies to fuck off2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

94.3. Estimated PL total of 1410.

I like that app. Helps my frail ego.

And there is nothing wrong with being fat.

[–]umizumiz1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Wtf... I've been following your gym progression. Even in your last picture, I thought to myself "Well, that's not much bigger than me. Faster gains, but surely it's not as 'solid' as natty.'"

I've been proved wrong. 67.5, we are very similar in height/weight. Will definitely be looking into stronger supplements.

[–]red-sfpplustells 1000 lb club pussies to fuck off1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Its prob my legs man, which you cant see.

My bench has always been weak. 315x5 is about all I fuck with.

But squatting 450+ or pulling 500+ hardly breaks a sweat anymore.

I can walk into the gym today and easily do 315x5, 405x5 and 495x5 for multiple sets. Easily 4-5.

Been doing way more volume and sets of 5 than 80% training.

As my BF% goes down so does size. I also carry less water now a days.

Solid. Thick. Those are the words people use to describe me.

Finally, all my pics are pre workout. I very rarely post “pump” pics. So I am cold in everything you see.

[–]hack3geMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah his lifts are shit in comparison and if he’s your height and weight and not on gear he’s just fat.

[–]SuperCrazy070 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, there isn’t a 1-1 correlation between strength and size.

I’m 35lbs heavier and 3 inches taller than my personal trainer. I have much broader shoulders, etc. He looks tiny next to me. I tease him about it.

He’s in the 1600 lb club. I’m working on getting to 1000.

[–]Betrootjuice0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice resource.

Started MRP 2 months ago, I am at 46 but with huge variations.

Untrained / novice everywhere excepts triceps / pecs where I am intermediate. Which feels about right in what I lift.

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

physical score: currently 89.5 (didn't know about this site before I got fit, but put in some guesses of what my first lifts were and got a 56.)

mental score: currently a "C+" and trending positively. I was a "D-" before RP, and a BB BP shell of a man. Today, I am no longer haunted, wondering what was wrong. I know what was wrong (me), and I have a plan to fix (me) and I am executing my plan.

[–]Sants3330 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ótimo texto

[–]GotThaAcid5tab0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Echo echo echo

[–]SpookyAceThePancake-3 points-2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You guys as so filled with self loathing, no wonder you treat others like shit. You guessed it, I'm here just to observe the depths of your insanity but I actually find myself feeling sorry for you people. How I can manage I don't know. But seriously. Seriously.

[–]johneyapocalypseTold Death to Fuck Off - MRP is easy mode5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If I'm not mistaken you're an asexual dude, hence your perspective is likely a bit skewed, no?

Skewed like neutered.

Eunuch-like one could say?

[–]weakandsensitive[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Luckily for me, I have no idea who you are and have never thought about you at all.

I appreciate your concern though!

Good bye!

[–]Over60_FireTempered3MRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for your feelz. I fell much better now.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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