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I’ve been married to my husband for 7 years now. I’m a 29F and he’s a 32M. For a few months to a year now, I’ve been saying no to sex a lot. I’ve just not been in the mood but his libido has been at the same sky high levels that they’ve been since we were college kids.

Could be a medical problem, could be married life.

Some days when I’m in bed tired he starts touching me, trying to get me primed for sex. Most times I’m not in the mood, but some times I cave in to his begging. I felt as his wife it was my duty. But I never enjoyed any of those sex sessions.

Sex being a chore? Haven't heard that one before.

So I made my feelings known to him. At first he seemed really down but he said he respected my decision. He stopped asking me for sex after that. Even when he asked, after I said no he would just roll over and go to bed.

What a good, respectful beta.

After a month or two, he suddenly came him with a sex doll. It was a really expensive one, with huge tits and a round ass with very human-like skin. When I confronted him about it he said he had sexual needs and since I couldn’t satisfy them he had to find a way to satisfy himself without cheating.

Even after constant rejection, he still hasn't cheated or left her ass. Unbelievable.

I told him to get a fleshlite but he told me he couldn’t get off on those and felt like shit after using them. He said cuddling was a huge part of his sexual experiment but I have trouble feeling like that’s the only reason.

Can't imagine why...

When he said that I felt like I couldn’t say anything.

Because she knows she's in the wrong, she just doesn't want to admit it.

It made me feel really insecure, and I suddenly feel really awful. I can’t tell him to get rid of it because it’ll make me look really selfish.

Yup

I also can’t complain about how expensive t was because we’re pretty well off.

She knows she's running out of options/excuses.

I noticed one night that I was in the mood but he told me he was tired.

Turnabout is fair play.

He had had a few rounds with the sex doll before I got home and was pooped out. I don’t know what to do at this point, but I knew I feel awful.

About a problem she caused in the first place.

Of course, the YTA comments are towards the bottom and have few upvotes, the post is locked as well (WIBTA if I asked my husband to get rid of his sex doll?). Here are some gems:

YTA You are sooo much the asshole.

You won't sleep with your husband for a year (the poor guy even had to beg for it the few times you caved), so instead of divorcing you or going out and fucking a real woman, he buys a sex doll, then he turns you down ONCE... and now you're literally jealous of an inanimate object... and trying to force him to get rid of it (and stop getting SOME kind of sexual release in his prime years).

Again... YOU ARE LITERALLY JEALOUS OF AN INANIMATE OBJECT 😂

YTA

You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can of course dictate when he gets to have sex with you but if he found a way to get off without your help so that he doesn't have to bother you why does that also bother you? That's not fair to him

And of course, my favourite:

I noticed one night that I was in the mood but he told me he was tired. He had had a few rounds with the sex doll before I got home and was pooped out. I don’t know what to do at this point, but I knew I feel awful.

Oh, boohoo

And it's reply:

Honestly! Imagine feeling that way for a year. not only that, but when they do have sex, she's acting like she's doing him a favour by sleeping with him... As someone before said, can't have your cake and eat it. If you don't want to sleep with him, let him get his rocks off another way. Imagine if the roles were reversed and the husband was mad/jealous his wife got a dildo/vibrator. He'd be seen as a possessive asshole. OP, YTA, and I recommend you go to relationship_advice and DeadBedrooms to try and fix this, or better yet, a therapist, counsellor.


[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (6 children)

Saw this yesterday in another sub. The comments in the main thread were actually pretty good and chock full of red pill knowledge...


Ahhh but that's only what she wanted until he couldn't be manipulated or oppressed by her withholding of that "prize". All the sudden she's now "in the mood" and that's the only reason why.

Bingo. That's what betrays what this is really about:

Control

As soon as she lost control of him by using her sex as a tool/weapon, THEN things become a problem? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.


Of course there’s a better way for this to play out. She could put a little bit of effort into her relationship and meet her partner’s needs. People are thinking this is only about sex and intimacy (and those are both important) but this is about more than that. It’s about self-esteem and self-confidence. If you are repeatedly rejected by the person who professes to love you the most, and in the rare occasion they don’t reject they put in the minimal effort, it makes you feel like your the most disgusting, repulsive person on earth. You must be absolutely worthless, otherwise why would they care so little and reject you so much?

I disagree. Those might be part of the equation, but what's really at play here, what's really got the OP bothered, is that he took away her control.


It's been proven the sexual liberation women are going to has caused a series of massive negative affects. Women destroy their ability to pair bond when they've slept with more than 3 men. Each one after 3, the inability to pair bond increases exponentially.

https://ifstudies.org/blog/does-sexual-history-affect-marital-happiness

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/10/sexual-partners-and-marital-happiness/573493/

Once a woman reaches 6-10 partners, she has a 50% chance of having a happy marriage. 6-10 partners is exceptionally low when you talk to the liberated female types.


It's the recent flip from "we want control of our own bodies" to "we will use our bodies to control you" which has resulted in the weaponization, commoditization, and devaluation of sex.

If she doesn't want sex but he does and asks for it, "it's basically rape because I'm not interested."

If she doesn't want sex but he does and doesn't ask for it, "he is being emotionally distant/manipulative" or "he's absolutely cheating on me because all men want all sex all the time. Better break into his phone to 'fix the problem' instead of actually fixing the real problem."

If she wants sex but he doesn't, he's expected to deliver on the spot "because turning a man on is like a light bulb." If he declines, he "isn't interested in me, is cheating on me/exploring other sex outlets like same sex or chaturbate".

If he relieves himself before bed, he'll get questioned, "WHY ARE YOU IN THE BATHROOM FOR 20 MINUTES EVERY NIGHT?" If he doesn't and pokes her in the back all night "JESUS I SAID NO, WHY CAN'T YOU RESPECT ME".

Similarly, he organizes an elaborate, romantic evening and those sparkles from the honeymoon period start firing and everything seems pointed in the right direction.. Then something unexpected happens like an asshole cuts you off on your way home and "ruins the mood". He lets it go but, "I'm not in the mood anymore". He starts light foreplay and "I TOLD YOU I'M NOT IN THE MOOD. OMG DID YOU PLAN THIS WHOLE EVENING JUST TO GET LAID? I'M ONLY WORTHY OF ROMANTIC NIGHTS WHEN YOU WANT TO GET WET?"

My female roommates are both "sexually liberated females" who will sleep with 1-3 random guys every week and tell me about it (btw, where did the myth that MEN are the sex-obsessed, gossiping, perverted gender?). I'm at various stages of dating three other women and I get, "OMG DID YOU TELL THEM? THAT'S SO DISRESPECTFUL, YOU BETTER HOPE THEY DON'T FIND OUT BECAUSE THAT'S SOOOOO FUCKED UP. THIS IS WHY WOMEN HATE MEN BECAUSE THEY'RE LYING, SEX-OBSESSED PIGS"

Me: How is that any different from what you're doing? Aside from me actually going on dates and having legit conversations with these women and trying to make an informed decision and really, sex is a secondary concern to do we banter well, get along, laugh, share interests, and have a willingness to get interested in other's interests? Vs. them communicating in illiterate DM memes then meeting at the club and forgetting their name.

Them: It IS different because men don't care if you're not loyal. "They're just happy to get some attention and get some. They know I'm a callow bitch who doesn't really care and that they're here to entertain me, not the other way Women deserve to be treated like goddesses!" [<- an actual quote.]

Idk, call me crazy but these experiences have all gotten me second-guessing whether sex lib was a good idea or not..


[–]7thAnvil 724 points725 points  (15 children)

She's not jealous of the sex doll. She doesn't like that she's lost power over him (by severely rationing sex).

[–]PillUpAss 289 points290 points  (0 children)

Boom - That’s it. She probably doesn’t even know that consciously.

[–]OSaraiva 175 points176 points  (4 children)

Yup. Don't complicate women, they are simple beings.

[–]good_guy_submitter 127 points128 points  (2 children)

They just seem complicated because they are seldom straight forward and honest.

If they were more honest they'd have no power. All of their power comes through either manipulation or is exchanged for sex/reproductuon.

[–]OSaraiva 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Oh they are dishonest with their words, but totally honest with their actions i think.

And i don't mean it as a bad thing, it's how women are and part of their nature. In the end, their goals are pretty simple and straight.

[–]FBI_CRIME_STATS 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Literal children for the most part. And its best if you treat them as such

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro 46 points47 points  (4 children)

exactly.

"everything's about sex except sex, sex is about power"

[–]Za--Warudo 0 points1 point  (3 children)

where does that quote come from

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Netflix House Of Cards, most recently. But originally attributed to Oscar Wilde, there is debate on whether that is apocryphal.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2 30 points31 points  (2 children)

I would say that there is much truth to that, only it's not certain how self-aware of that aspect she is. I mean, he would probably say yes to sex if she directly told him she wanted to re-initiate the sexual aspect of their relationship, assuming he is still attracted to her.

I think it might be maybe more accurate to say that she fears losing aspects of the relationship that she values, mainly the economic and social partnership ones because she now has something resembling a rival, even though it IS an inanimate object, it resembles a real woman, and therefore is triggering a primal competition fear in her, where she fears that he will "leave" her socially and economically for the doll just as he "left" her for it sexually, even though she basically create the conditions that pressured him to do it.

It was highly foreseeable that something like that would happen, and I would argue that since it rekindled a desire in her, it was actually beneficial to their relationship.

The longer a relationship goes on, the more likely that people lose attraction for each other. This is highly foreseeable, and yet... people, for many reasons, don't foresee, and don't plan accordingly. They panic and assume the worst. They don't try to re-enchant. They don't make reasonable compromises. They don't articulate what they are going through.

It's fine if she doesn't want sex, even for a protracted period. But since sex is usually a pillar of a romantic relationship, the burden is on her to understand what she is going through, and communicate to her partner so they can come up with a compromise.

It could be that it's a hormone thing. It could be that he let himself go, or that she feels gross and unattractive because she's aging, or because she's bored, or has had too much sex, and now doesn't appreciate it. There's not excuse for not cuddling with someone a few times a week though, IMO. I guess maybe she's worried it will lead to undesired sex, but it sounds like the guy is respecting her boundaries, so that's not really an argument from her end.

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[–]LadyE123 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

❤️, yes, I was so happy to see that comment as well. So reasonable instead of the biased hysterics that too often come from some men.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As I stated in the original thread about this yesterday, CONTROL is what this is really about. As soon as she lost control of him by using her sex as a tool/weapon, only then is when the dead bedroom became a problem for her.

[–]F_Dingo 306 points307 points  (15 children)

After a month or two, he suddenly came him with a sex doll. It was a really expensive one, with huge tits and a round ass with very human-like skin. When I confronted him about it he said he had sexual needs and since I couldn’t satisfy them he had to find a way to satisfy himself without cheating.

LOL! He might be a beta, but this guy is balls to the wall extreme! The look on her face must of been priceless when he walked in with his well endowed sex doll.

[–]Happyanduknowitclap 76 points77 points  (0 children)

My man turned the tables on her. Not quickly....but eventually he did lol

[–]xKalista 77 points78 points  (12 children)

I dont think thats a beta move, thats savage as hellz he gives 0 phucks

[–]Project_Zero_Betas 38 points39 points  (11 children)

Nah in reality it's pretty pathetic. Hilarious. But pathetic.

[–]Fresque 23 points24 points  (3 children)

IK, but is better than give her grounds for a divorce via showing with another chick. That will teach her a little lesson, and in the meantime, ha can put an accountant to work day and night dissapearing some of his assets in order to make the divorce way cheaper.

No idea if this is the guy's plan or not, but would pay off to play it like that.

[–]imtheoneimmortal 13 points14 points  (2 children)

For what we know maybe this guys is genious

In front of her maybe he use doll and when he’s out fuck others girls so no divorce problems

[–]yomo86 4 points5 points  (1 child)

From an objective perspective yes, pathetic. From a woman's perspective the most savage thing a man can come up with. Being traded not for some hot piece of 20yo ass, which women usually are ok with when you are an AF, but to be traded in for an inanimate object thus rendering her power of him not only somewhat but completely mute is astounding.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"I've always wanted to date a mute."

[–]nippleduster3224 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I mean getting off on a fleshlight, sure why not. But fucking a human sized doll is a bit on the deep end, most people would be put off by that.

[–]xKalista 21 points22 points  (3 children)

ans he just fucking walks in with it lmaooo just thinking about it makes me laugh

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Everyone in this comment chain is right for varying reasons. The whole bringing home a sex doll was extreme, they both have issues, and his doing so has the benefit of taking away her power and grounds for divorce without making her look like a giant hypocrite. In reality though at the end of the day the guy is beta as hell because the dude allowed the dead bedroom to occur in the first place. THAT is the root problem of all of this. Fix why that occurred and she'd be tearing his clothes off and wouldn't need to be cajoled into having sex and him resorting to silicone when that failed.

[–]ArcheryDude101 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Couldn't he use the sex doll as a way to fix his dead bedroom?

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Oh, yeah, he made some serious mistakes but he fucking wrecked her with that part. Wrecked. Check out her post history. She shopped this all over reddit looking for validation. Even TwoX shot her down. The only place she got any play was GenderCritical and much of that was vaginal pain caused by the comments in her other posts.

[–]frey88 290 points291 points  (49 children)

Sweet Jesus. Would rather kill myself than be this guy.

[–]NorthEasternNomad[🍰] 142 points143 points  (45 children)

That makes two of us.

Why would you not just leave her ass?

Telling you...with society at this point, young, self sufficient men would need to be idiots to marry.

[–][deleted] 95 points96 points  (28 children)

Cause he married her so he can't leave

[–]NorthEasternNomad[🍰] 115 points116 points  (16 children)

And divorce means they get half your shit. Because, you know, they gave you the privilege of their presence in your life...

Yeah...nope.

[–]DeadliftRx 27 points28 points  (7 children)

half

Closer to all of it unless he is lucky.

[–]Throwawaysteve123456 23 points24 points  (6 children)

It's rarely above half unless there's kids, and it would have to be fairly exceptional.

The guys that get fucked are the ones with kids, because then the courts will have no problem with giving 70% of your income to the wife, since she needs the "child support".

Spousal support is pathetic in most cases.

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[–]Throwawaysteve123456 7 points8 points  (2 children)

That still only counts for half assuming spousal is 50%. Without kids you won't see spousal above 50% except in rare cases. I'm a lawyer. The system sucks, but no need to exaggerate.

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[–]Throwawaysteve123456 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh, if you take the reasonable assumption that he shouldn't pay her fuck all, then absolutely that is true. In fact if the guy is say mid-career at 40, he is pretty much starting his life from scratch. In Canada, some cases allow for a 50% spousal indefinitely. If you get divorced at 30, he'll pay much more than his net worth at divorce likely.

[–]OMGtothemoon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly. half of everything then 50k to lawyers then 2-3k/month for years ends up forcing men to work until they die instead of retiring at 65 like they plan. Fuck the women controlled courts.

[–]Stron2g 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Isn't that the thing where the state gives the money to the mother directly and also how many if not most of them end up using the money not for the children but rather on selfish crap or worse yet on another man?

[–]Reformed65 21 points22 points  (5 children)

And "we’re pretty well off." means "he makes the money and I make pocket money."

[–]Fresque 9 points10 points  (3 children)

This. Chances are the guy is the one making some non trivial bucks. And he doesnt want to watch half of it dissapear.

On top of that, that leaves the ex wife wit a lot money and no responsabilities.

Fuck that.

[–]Walker501_S 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I was always wondering can't he just "gift" his money to one of his relatives like father or brother than get a divorce when he owns nothing on paper and the have his relatives "gift" him the money back?

[–]OMGtothemoon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

They ask for financials statements for like a year back. This might be possible if you have the foresight to divorce two years from now.

[–]Fresque 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah you cant just gift everything you have the day befor the divorce. Is fraud.

But if done slowly and sistematically, over a long period is really dificult to prove. Provided it was done carefully by a pro, of course.

[–]Nicolas0631 9 points10 points  (0 children)

She could get half the doll ;)

[–]BusterVadge 39 points40 points  (3 children)

Yup, never get married. I made that mistake once, and there's a lot of pressure to stay, especially when there are kids involved.

[–]good_guy_submitter 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Kids are literally the only reason to even consider marriage, and only if you are dirt poor.

If you have money you can get a good lawyer and accomplish the same legal benefits of marriage without being a slave to the will of the government.

Marriage is 3 parties. Man, woman, and government. Never forget.

[–]PhantomRedditor5 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You are very wise. I wish i would have known you before i made the plunge like a doofus.

[–]Jussie_Mullet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The state will fuck that man harder than the doll

[–]QueenSlapFight 32 points33 points  (2 children)

Meh doesn't sound like they have kids. If he hits eject now he'll likely salvage more of his future wealth than if he waits 10 more years, even if they still don't have kids. I say bail.

[–]crimsonpowder 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Send her ass back to work then pull the plug and don’t pay her shit.

[–]QueenSlapFight 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yep. Instead of half assed measures that get her alarmed, he should've gotten her earning as much as possible then pulled the plug. Getting some girlfriend doll in his path to divorce is going to fuck him over.

[–]Dionysus-VIOLENCE 30 points31 points  (3 children)

Yes he can, this is grounds for divorce. The relationship is over at this point as it’s no longer intimate. Let’s not pretend this is what a healthy relationship looks like.

[–]OptimalAdhesiveness 31 points32 points  (1 child)

They meant metaphorically he can’t. He literally can, but then he also literally owes her half his shit. She said they’re well off so I bet hed owe her part of his paycheck too in order to ‘keep up the lifestyle she’s accustomed to’ according to the courts.

Having grounds for it doesn’t mean it’s a clean break and everyone just walks away. Although you’re right in that some places have laws on the books that say if a spouse makes the bedroom hostile that yes it’s grounds for divorce.

[–]Chaddeus_Rex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

‘keep up the lifestyle she’s accustomed to’

Or she can make the money herself to keep the lifestyle she's accustomed to. Not hard to figure out

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fault divorce is long gone. There are no "grounds for" divorce except in a few states, and it's very difficult to prove.

Marriage can be accomplished just fine while protecting your assets, but that only matters (1) when you have premarital assets to lose and (2) you can afford the advice. 1 and 2 are usually closely linked.

[–]gprime 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Why would you not just leave her ass?

Because divorce is expensive as fuck, and he probably doesn't want to find himself another woman that he expects will be different but turns out to be more of the same.

[–]Theorymeltfool1 15 points16 points  (3 children)

No way it’s worth losing half your shit unless he’s really well off. He should’ve started having sex with other women but told her about it and given her the option: either we start to fuck more often, or I get to fuck other women.

[–]SuperCrazy07 33 points34 points  (0 children)

It’s absolutely worth losing half your shit. Especially at 32 with no kids.

I know many divorced men. They got screwed over financially, but they’re all happier.

[–]halfback910 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There are things you can do to start hording it so she only gets like... 10% of your shit?

[–]PhantomRedditor5 8 points9 points  (9 children)

married idiot here. Filing for divorce as soon as I get my criminal case waived. Will never be stupid and do this shit again.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas 5 points6 points  (8 children)

Is your CC against your wife?

[–]PhantomRedditor5 11 points12 points  (7 children)

Yes. I restricted her from leaving the house because she was grabbing for the car keys and she was belligerently drunk. I didn’t want her to harm herself or others. Then she called the cops and I got arrested for restraint.

[–]HBenedek38 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Seriously? And did the cops listen to the full story?

[–]PhantomRedditor5 2 points3 points  (3 children)

No. I got through 60% of my story before they cut me off and started talking to her.

[–]HBenedek38 2 points3 points  (2 children)

SMH... Fuckers should have either left it there, or brought in both of you. She was about to commit a criminal act.

Were you keeping him inside when the cops arrived BTW?

[–]PhantomRedditor5 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No. When they walked in, I was in the room. That’s the crazy thing. After I took my keys, if she wanted to leave, she could’ve.

[–]HBenedek38 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hm... did you admit doing it? Because that's what cops are looking for - to close the case as quickly as possible.

I know this is an asshole thing to do, but in these cases, you always have to try and gaslight the other person in front of cops. That would have probably ended things.

Unless that is you did, and they still brought you in, in which case you could fine them - they had no reasonable suspicion to arrest you, since there was zero evidence.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That's rough, you were trying to do the right thing. I went through other bullshit with a crazy girl and cops (One of her beta orbiters was stalking her so she had me arrested and incarcerated to make an example out of me for him), you gotta hard next those sub-humans.

[–]PhantomRedditor5 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That’s fucking nuts bro. These fucking skeezers.

[–]biezpiens 4 points5 points  (0 children)

well considering that she said they are well of, she would probably get half of his shit if he dumped her ass

[–]Nighthawkdragon8 50 points51 points  (2 children)

Sad reality, "this guy" is probably around 80 percent of married men in America.

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[–]Nighthawkdragon8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What’s sad is it’s almost too late for them also. I’m 21, and found out about game at 18, so going out and gaming is fun and easy for me. But I couldn’t imagine learning it at like 40.

[–][deleted] 141 points142 points  (12 children)

I don’t think women have any idea what it’s like for a man to be turned down regularly for sex. It’s absolutely soul crushing if you’re the guy, and have seen close friends and family break down over it.

Itd be similar to if you’re a woman about to go out and your husband looking at you with minor disgust in his face saying “that outfit? You look pretty chubby in it” every single day.

OP couple has been married for years but in their 20s early 30s now and still going sexless? I mean this dude has over 30 years of life left and he’s giving up on sex completely?

Divorce is ALWAYS on the table and should be if you’re not getting your needs met

[–]prestidigibator 68 points69 points  (5 children)

This was a topic that came up a bunch on the Tom Lykis show. Women would bitch about men wanting sex. Tom would say I know it’s hard for you to understand to want something and have a need for it like eating or breathing but I find that this analogy is the best to help women understand. Imagine if I had an unlimited supply of chocolate cake. It costs me nothing to have it and I don’t really run out it. Now imagine when ever you ask me for cake I told you no. I’m too tired to go get it. Am I the asshole for not giving it to you? Lykis was a grade a asshole, he was great.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Tom Lykis

Was? I just looked it up and he's still alive. I'm guessing he finally retired or something?

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[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He had his own streaming network that started back in 2012 with his show being the flagship content, which I appeared on once or twice. Looks like he called it quits in 2018 as not enough people were signing up for the premium version and advertising wasn't getting the job done.

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez 33 points34 points  (0 children)

this dude has over 30 years of life left and he’s giving up on sex completely?

Oof. Man, I'm very anti-divorce but putting it that way I can see why people do it. It's tantamount to turning yourself into a worker drone till you're dead. What a waste.

[–]ronbfor 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I agree: Don’t assume divorce is not an option. Think about what you want regardless of what other people might think or what it might cost. Then do your research. Divorce laws vary state by state. With more than half your life left, how much would you spend to live it your way? Its worth a paid consultation with an attorney, financial planner, tax advisor...

[–]Rob345678 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Not to get religious on this .. but even the Bible says women should not turn down their husband for sex.

[–]Jude2425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep. Marriage is the context for sex and you should be having enough sex that everyone is satisfied. For all the crap people throw at the Puritans, they even put a woman under church discipline when she refused to have sex with her husband. They weren't anti-sex, they were anti extra-marital sex.

[–]subaruguy14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So it's cheating. Just cheat, destroy her entirely on the way out.

[–]1DubbleFUPAwitCheez 68 points69 points  (3 children)

Accidental massive agree and amplify. Well played, beta.

[–]Self_Descr_Huguenot 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Totally unrelated but agree and amplify always makes me think of the idea that Angela Merkel might be flooding Germany with migrants to purposefully radicalize people towards the hard right, or, taken further, that she’s actually a Nazi and wants to prove Hitler was right lol

[–]tekn0_ 13 points14 points  (0 children)

There was someone online who claimed she actually was hitlers daughter. They had some childhood pics of her.

[–]Snowaey 5 points6 points  (0 children)

that would actually be hilarious and terrifying at the same time

[–]frontiermarine 57 points58 points  (1 child)

he pulled off dread game with a sex doll, i'm done.

[–]umizumiz 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Dread Level 13 - SHOW her the cumstain from the sex doll, and explain that this is the last time you fuck an inanimate object.

[–]EscortSportage 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Time to get a new real life sex doll.

[–]OneLastTime1997[S] 40 points41 points  (3 children)

"Would I be the a&shole if I asked my husband to get rid of his sex doll?" is the name of the post on Am I the A&shole?. Can't link it directly.

[–]BloodSurgery 16 points17 points  (0 children)

You can always post an archive in the main post btw.

[–]Redpillx94 38 points39 points  (1 child)

If you think about it its kinda like dreading her lol.

[–]NohoTwoPointOh 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Especially if it's one of those new smokeshow dolls and the wife is letting herself go.

[–]mr_chgr 27 points28 points  (0 children)

This post is pure gold, lmao.

[–]Roto2esdios 39 points40 points  (4 children)

Always always sex is the one of two things a woman has to subdue a man (and shaming). When this is out of the table woman is useless

[–]1962Throwaway1962 24 points25 points  (3 children)

I think I heard this somewhere and I think it is true in many (but not all) committed relationships.

Women control the sex, but men control if there will be and how good a relationship will be.

This guy went a long time and talked with her about it. Exactly what he should have done.

But she was unwilling to try to change things... so he changed things and now she is mad at him.

Lots of divorces happen because of this very thing...even after talking about how something is a problem to one in the relationship the other is selfish and does not see it as a problem and refuses to work to make it better. That was why I divorced, and that is why my current wife of 6 years divorced her ex to be with me.

[–]MajesticPresentation 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Men control if there will be a relationship, but once you get married you are signing away all that power.

3rd level educated women initiate 70+% of divorces. If this woman wants to divorce her husband tomorrow there's a good chance he earned all that money they have and theres a good chance he will be paying her for years to come. Once the marriage started, the balls in her court because he has everything to lose and she has everything to gain

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Women control the sex, but men control if there will be and how good a relationship will be.

This is more commonly known as...

Women are the gatekeepers of sex, men are the gatekeepers of commitment.

And this is why marriage is such a bad deal for men. Once you are married, or living together for that matter, men give up whatever power they had so the relationship becomes unbalanced. This is why dread is so powerful for keeping a relationship healthy. It's counter-intuitive as hell to bluepers because who would think dread and being manipulative about it is a good thing, but the reality is without balance things go screwy fast.

[–]Roto2esdios 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting. It's funny how women blame men for no being communicative in a relationship, and when you are, they get angrier than before because you said something they don't want to hear.

[–]miserablesisyphus 38 points39 points  (1 child)

I just can't imagine being in a serious relationship and not having sex -- there can't be any clearer sign that something is wrong. Also, how can a man be so diminished that he's willing to fuck a piece of plastic? Grow some balls and leave this sack of potatoes. If my wife told me she hated my guts and thought I was the worst person on the planet, but still had passionate sex with me, it would be 100 times better than my wife refusing to have sex with me because she's "not in the mood".

[–]nippleduster3224 13 points14 points  (0 children)

She likes mooching off his money

[–]Mwoods342 35 points36 points  (6 children)

guys, hear me out. A.I and sex dolls, its the future!!! THE FUTURE!!!!!!!!

[–]Dwarf90 20 points21 points  (5 children)

Dat post needs more upvotes.

In the end, we are going to be exterminated and replaced by muslims anyway, so let's make the process fun.

[–]tekn0_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Being replaced by AI is more likely especially with impotent humans

[–]Gidanocitiahisyt 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'm hoping you're /s but if not, care to explain what you mean by "we are going to be exterminated and replaced by muslims"?

[–]rdum89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah that's the dumbest shit I'll read this week/month/year?

[–]Denali_Laniakea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hes talking about rapefugees.

[–]Outlawe 59 points60 points  (16 children)

What is her alternative? I don’t know about the “it’s her fault” part. If she doesn’t like having sex with him it’s over. Poor bastard can’t attract her. I would say he needs a red pill but he’s already “going his own way”.

[–]Dwarf90 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Yes, he choose to his own way, but it's only right. Too bad he didn't understood it earlier.

[–]TwentyEighteen 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yeah it’s not her fault that she’s not attracted to him. What makes her at fault is that she didn’t try to solve the problem. She simply denied him sex and did nothing to help him with his urges or to maybe gain her attraction back. So he finds a solution on his own and she tries to find an excuse to stop it lol.

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[–]Outlawe 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Women do not get turned on by vacations paid and overtime worked. They will rarely if ever appreciate this type of effort by men. If anything, they will justify the money spent on them as “it’s the least he can do to keep me around because it’s a chore to have sex with him even as rarely as I allow”.

Sucking this dudes dick is below her. This dick is as attractive to her as a spider in the basement. If she’s desperate enough, and he promises to buy her a Porsche, she might get down and dirty on that musty cellar cock, but she’ll be thinking about the Porsche, not the guy and how hard he worked for her.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They will rarely if ever appreciate this type of effort by men.

Good old Briffault's Law.

[–]HBenedek38 5 points6 points  (7 children)

Bullshit. If she was with the guy for years, and she was having vigorous sex before, and he hasn't changed significantly - didn't become fat, hasn't aged a lot, since 32 isn't old for a guy, hasn't suffered some catastrophic injury that would make him unattractive -, then if she has changed her mind about him, that's ENTIRELY on him!

It's abso-fucking-lutely a bullshit excuse that "she can't change not being attracted to him". It's a fucking mindset.

Say, you're walkong down the street with your girlfriend. Suddenly you see a chick who's at least a league better looking than her. Do you suddenly stop fucking her, because you've seen a hotter woman?

I am not saying you can find anyone attractive. But if there is a person you have found attractive once already, for quite a long time, and they're the same person as before, then YOU have changed, not them. YOU need to fix something in your life, change how you look at the world, and do your best to be attracted to them again because you put a fucking ring in it, and swore to be with that person for the rest of your life.

Women LOVE to say "I can't control who I am attracted to". That's a lie. You can condition yourself to be attracted to someone, the same way you can condition yourself to STOP being attracted to someone (like after a breakup). The problem is, that requires thinking. Agency. Free will to change things for the better.

She says she felt it's her duty to have sex with him every once in a while. Rather than that, how about saying it's her duty to LEARN TO LOVE HIM even if it's not the most convenient?

[–]Outlawe 6 points7 points  (4 children)

If you want to fight a hurricane by punching it in the eye, you’d have better odds of winning a round than you will fighting hypergamy and trying to condition women to think logically about sexual strategy.

The laws of hypergamy outdate biological history. This IS the red pill.

[–]HBenedek38 -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

If you want to fight a hurricane by punching it in the eye, you’d have better odds of winning a round than you will fighting hypergamy and trying to condition women to think logically about sexual strategy.

Again, bullshit. You're acting like women don't have agency, like they don't have their own mind.

Let's see how that would hold up if we were talking about men!

"He couldn't help it, he's attracted to hot women, and that woman was in his general vicinity! He HAD to rape her, he didn't have a choice! Sure, he could have tried to control himself, but that's like trying to stop a speeding truck with your bare hands - a man's sexual libido and desire for polygamy can't be tamed like that!"

See how much bollocks that is? Do you go around fucking other women, sometimes against their will? No! Or at least I hope not.

I am not saying women can easily object to their hypergamous instincts. I am saying we shouldn't give them a slack for it. They are 100% responsible for not working for their relationships, and then big shock! - falling out of love with their partners of husbands.

The laws of hypergamy outdate biological history.

That's just retarded - sexual reproduction isn't older than biology itself, since initially cells reproduced asexually, through multiplication. So hypergamy can't be older than biology.Unless you meant something else with this sentence, in which case I would be glad if you could clarify.

[–]Outlawe 3 points4 points  (2 children)

No man or woman has complete agency over their biological imperatives.

The rape comment is a leap and doesn’t fit in the conversation from my understanding of it.

I’ll clarify biological history. I’m speaking in terms of history as in documented historical archive, and archeological mammalian biology. If we start breaking down modern sexual strategy to the amoeba level we are in the wrong sub.

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No man or woman has complete agency over their biological imperatives.

In other words...

"Attraction isn't a choice."

[–]HBenedek38 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No man or woman has complete agency over their biological imperatives.

Maybe not entirely complete, but you have COMPLETE agency over individual decisions that 100% depend on you. I am not saying you can decide who you are attracted to all the time - but if you don't make an effort to try, with a man who you have been with for at least half a decade, you're a piece of shit.

he rape comment is a leap and doesn’t fit in the conversation from my understanding of it.

It really isn't. In nature males mate with females often against the female's protest - which is how it's meant to be. Males often have to prove their worthiness by overpowering the other males, as well as the female. So we have just established a biological imperative for rape. Therefore it's natural, hard wired, can't be changed, right?

I’ll clarify biological history. I’m speaking in terms of history as in documented historical archive, and archeological mammalian biology.

You're mixing two things that have very vague connection with each other - biology and history.

If you want to say that hypergamy is older than documented history, correct.

If you want to say that hypergamy is older than mammalian biology, correct.

But what you said is just nonsense. Biological history can mean two things:

1) The history of biology, therefore biology itself

2) An individual creature's biology, and the history of THAT biology - which is irrelevant in this case.

If we start breaking down modern sexual strategy to the amoeba level we are in the wrong sub.

One, you can't break down sexuality to amoeba levels, because amoeba never evolved into multi-cell organisms.

Two, OF COURSE we can't break down sexuality to the level of single cell organisms, because sexual reproduction is defined for eukyriotes. But it would be interesting to know if hypergamy is as old as sexual reproduction itself, or if it was a later development.

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[–]HBenedek38 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They don't HAVE TO, but that wasn't what I was talking about.

[–]666Evo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t know about the “it’s her fault” part.

I tend to agree. It's at least not totally her fault. He clearly isn't giving her the tingles anymore (if he ever did).

[–]Theguygotgame777 14 points15 points  (13 children)

Link to the AITA post? I gotta read this shit.

[–]OneLastTime1997[S] 6 points7 points  (8 children)

Search "WIBTA if I asked my husband to get rid of his sex doll?"

[–]Theguygotgame777 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I copied and pasted that into the search bar. Maybe it got deleted.

[–]OneLastTime1997[S] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Yeah it did but here's the other posts on GenderCritical and 2X:

GenderCritical/comments/chpwb7/my_husband_just_got_a_sex_doll_and_it_makes_me/

TwoXChromosomes/comments/chiw82/my_husband_just_got_a_sex_doll/

[–]nikhilbhavsar 9 points10 points  (1 child)

You know it's bad when even twoxchromosomes disagrees with the poster

[–]darkzoloto 10 points11 points  (0 children)

A stopped clock is right twice a day.

[–]Jude2425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TIL I am banned from 2XC. I've never posted or commented on it. I must be doing something right.

[–]OneLastTime1997[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

It's also on the GenderCritical and 2X subs:

GenderCritical/comments/chpwb7/my_husband_just_got_a_sex_doll_and_it_makes_me/

TwoXChromosomes/comments/chiw82/my_husband_just_got_a_sex_doll/

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Original thread: http://archive.is/awz1D

[–]lestratege 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's also on the GenderCritical

The comments on that sub are hilarious: he is a pig for not caring about how she feels and ignoring her feelings, so it is his problem. Also she is totally right to ignore how he feels and to ignore him, in that case that is his problem too.

The amount of self-centrism in those people is really something.

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[–]OneLastTime1997[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Search "WIBTA if I asked my husband to get rid of his sex doll?"

[–]lestratege 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AmItheAsshole/comments/chi731/wibta_if_i_asked_my_husband_to_get_rid_of_his_sex/

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Original thread: http://archive.is/awz1D

[–]Dakstradamus 15 points16 points  (1 child)

It sucks but this is the inevitable trajectory of cohabitation with a woman. For most men, redpilled or not, its unavoidable, the question is how do you react.

I broke up with my girlfriend of 9yrs for this same reason

[–]Perksie1027 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So true. So many married men won’t admit to this. Happened to me after 24 years. I think men get affected more on that most just accept it as part of being a Dad. I know I did until this year. Careful guys you don’t have to accept this.

[–]Trymebish29 13 points14 points  (0 children)

' He stopped asking me for sex after that. Even when he asked, after I said no he would just roll over and go to bed.'

women can never keep their bullshit sob story lies straight. 'he never asks me anymore! :(' one sentence later 'he asks but doesn't persist anymore! :('

[–]zboo1h 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Is this really where women are at? Replaced by some rubber?

[–]HoustonWeGotsProblem 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yeah, if you’re withholding sex from him, and he’s being loyal and finding ways to not cheat on you, I think he’s a good man for that. Not his fault you don’t really warn him when you’re going to be in the mood. True, it’s a more spontaneous feeling for you, but he can’t read your mind and sex drive especially if it’s damn near nonexistent (sex drive). So if you want him to get rid of it, give him some more or he’s just gonna leave you. Not patriarchal or anything, he just felt like that marriage agreement included lifelong libido. Hope y’all can manage to work that out, though

[–]russian_nigger 23 points24 points  (4 children)

solution: prostitutes. its been normal since the dawn of times, until the religious elite along with the govt made it a taboo. i know plenty of married guys (eastern euros and middle eastern) that have wives and kids and constantly go hooking. their marriages are strong because a man has his needs fulfilled. and the stories they tell are funny as fuck.

[–]tekn0_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Care to share some of those stories?

[–]calciu -1 points0 points  (2 children)

This is such a stupid take, if you think prostitution will “fix” women you just need to go and live for some time in a country like Germany where it’s legal and not that much of a taboo for many years now. You’ll be severely dissapointed.

[–]1OneRedSock 8 points9 points  (0 children)

“fix” women

Reading comprehension, my dude. He said nothing about fixing women. He said the men are having their needs met and the marriages are strong because of this.

This is all done by the man fulfilling his own needs and has nothing to do with the man dictating how the woman ought to think or behave; which is a 100% waste of a man's time.

There's nothing to "fix" about women; they're the way they are by nature. You cannot "fix" nature; but you can get your dick sucked by a prostitute when your woman isn't putting out.

[–]russian_nigger -1 points0 points  (0 children)

maybe you need to go live in england to learn english

[–]Minimalisma 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Can't find the original post

[–]OneLastTime1997[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Search "WIBTA if I asked my husband to get rid of his sex doll?"

[–]Minimalisma 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Found it, content got deleted that's why I couldn't find it through reddit, btw most people commented yta

[–]OneLastTime1997[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It's also on the GenderCritical and 2X subs:

GenderCritical/comments/chpwb7/my_husband_just_got_a_sex_doll_and_it_makes_me/

TwoXChromosomes/comments/chiw82/my_husband_just_got_a_sex_doll/

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Original thread: http://archive.is/awz1D

[–]Walker501_S 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lol she's getting competition anxiety from an inanimate fucking object

[–]lobstergenocide 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You just know she’s cheating on him

[–]CainPrice 20 points21 points  (3 children)

This one is kind of hilarious, because instead of just jerking off, the man in this story is insulting his wife, but with the plausible deniability that he's just meeting his needs without cheating on her.

By having a sex doll, he is indirectly stating that to him, women are just bodies with holes he can use to masturbate with. He is indirectly telling his wife, under the guise of being a good husband who doesn't want to pressure her and doesn't want to cheat, that this whole time, she has just been a body with a hole to him, and that she is interchangeable with any other body with a hole. He even turned her down for sex once after fucking his doll. He got his with some other body with a hole and didn't need her.

While sex dolls are for losers who can't get laid, this man, while trying to do the right thing and be good to his wife, slapped her in the face with an insult as he indirectly informed her that she's just a body with a hole, and any body with a hole will do.

[–]TWD_Anarchist 13 points14 points  (0 children)

He's still being a fucking husband to her, if he had left her for the sex doll that's different

[–]Perksie1027 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So what would your advise to him be then?

[–]CainPrice 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The usual. Divorce his wife, hit the gym, eat right, dress and groom better, make money, learn game, fuck better women, don't get married again.

[–]OneLastTime1997[S] 9 points10 points  (2 children)

It's also on the GenderCritical and 2X subs:

GenderCritical/comments/chpwb7/my_husband_just_got_a_sex_doll_and_it_makes_me/

TwoXChromosomes/comments/chiw82/my_husband_just_got_a_sex_doll/

[–]nippleduster3224 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lol the chromosome one is calling her out on her shit, thats when you know u dun fucked up

[–]∞ Mod | RP Vanguardbsutansalt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Original thread: http://archive.is/awz1D

[–]TheREexpert44 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Imagine being replaced by a plastic woman.

[–]SunTzuWarmaster 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is such a good train wreck. She posted to:

AmITheAsshole - currently at 719 upvotes - top comment "you need counseling", second comment "can't have your cake and eat it too" - post has been deleted by user.

relationshipadvice - currently at 305 upvotes - TC "you played yourself", SC "he's not cheating on you, consider yourself lucky" - post has been deleted by user.

2xChomosomes - currently at 0 upvotes - TC "your husband wants you first, be glad he didn't cheat", SC "he loves you enough not to cheat" - post has been deleted by user.

GenderCritical - currently at 0 upvotes - TC "What he is doing is insulting and disrespectful to you.", SC " I could not feel attraction or respect toward a man who owned and used a sex doll. I also could not remain married to a person for whom I felt no attraction or respect." Post is locked by mods.

...

Its so good - she kept posting in progressively more fringe places looking for people to take her side. AITA is somewhat gender-neutral and balanced. RA is somewhat female-skewed, but relatively balanced. 2XC is explicitly female, but somewhat balanced. GC is, and I quote: "Reddit's most active feminist community! This is a women-centered, radical feminist subreddit to discuss gender from a critical, feminist perspective.". GC eventually takes her position, but even there it cannot get above 0 karma. Further, according to unreddit - 40% of the posts were removed by the moderators prior to locking the thread. Its so good because even the radical feminist subreddit doesn't take her position unless all dissent is silenced.

[–]Rimefang 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Reminds me of the story about this rich, fit, well off financially guy who was streaming him fucking a sex doll. Women were mocking him until they saw him caressing the doll, kissing it, and even brushing it's hair. Even though they were giving him shit about it, they couldn't stop watching.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I can’t tell him to get rid of it because it’ll make me look really selfish.

A little late for that, cupcake.

[–]AJRey 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Why in the world would you fuck a doll? Mistresses are a thing, find one.

[–]Nicolas0631 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Dolls do not complain and are always in the mood. On top they are cheap, even the expensive ones.

If you are RP alpha that get satisfiying sex relation with your plate, by all mean, do it, but if you are a blue pill man that doesn't get it and get divorse rapped friendzoned or bullshited all the time and don't get how to avoid that, it may actually lot of sence to get your sex release in something more reliable.

[–]AJRey 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Doesn't change the fact that you are fucking a thing made out of silicone. It's weird. There's plenty of women available who are "always in the mood". Lol I've never had a woman ever withhold sex from me in any relationship, especially in a marriage she should take care of my sexual needs on command. Are western women becoming this bad?

[–]Nicolas0631 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think in marriage is one of the most likely case where it will happen.

And no, sex isn't a right. Refusing it is a right. So you have to make her want it.

[–]sebastianconcept 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Jesus, painful to read. Nor surprising tho.

The interesting part is that she lost behavioural control power over her husband because of that doll.

[–]deathhandmachiavelli 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Something else that I picked up on between the lines.

The kind of guy who doesn't cheat (this guy), is the same kind of guy who women find to be extremely UNattractive.

He's a turn-off to her, and he's the faithful, supplicating beta that we are all told to be.

[–]SouloftheVoid 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I can't fault the guy. While I myself have never used a sex doll, I'd imagine it's probably not that different from the starfish duty sex he was infrequently getting from his frigid cunt wife. If you're going to be fucking something that's just going to lie there and not move anyway, at least with the doll you wouldn't have to beg it for the privilege of doing so. This guy would be better off as a MGTOW since those guys love those dolls.

[–]subaruguy14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm just going to say it, that was a simp move. Dread game would have worked wonders and he side stepped the whole hamster crack option.

Just cheat. If you're at dinner with another couple, statistically someone at that table has cheated, might as well be you getting your dick wet.

[–]imtheoneimmortal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This story seem so cringe and weird

[–]Ramp_Up_Then_Dump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The sub you took this have good judgement most of times. They dont like pussypass.

Husband should plan a benefical divorce.

[–]Spicychickenaholic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get the feeling this whole story is made up by some pro-sexdoll MGTOW, who's probably also selling them.

Why the fuck would a wife go into details about how nice her husband's sex toy is? And her response is "get a Fleshlight"???

Not only is it fake, but the person writing it clearly doesnt know any women, I take it back.. it's written by an incel.

[–]munchontheinternet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol the in text narration is hilarious

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