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Let's start at the very beginning. I was a kissless virgin all throughout High School and College due to doing nothing but playing video games like WoW and League of Legends all day. Once I graduated, I spent about 2 years wasting time playing video games and trying my best to hold down a job before snapping and deciding enough is enough and that I need to make changes in order to not end up a 30 year old kissless virgin or 40 years old and beyond... I started out by losing a massive amount of weight through rigorous diet and exercise. Keto diet combined with stronglifts 5x5 with one cheat day a week was the magic pill for me. The pounds came right off.

To give you an idea of where I stood at the time, here is a brief summary of my advantages and disadvantages when I started to approach girls and trying to apply the pickup stuff I read about online.

Disadvantages: Short, Below Average Face, Poor social skills, Asian Race, Overbearing Parents, Lived at home so no pull location

Advantages: Decently high paying job, extreme levels of persistence beyond what is mentally healthy (What I mean by this is I feel it's totally normal if someone where to give up after approaching 100 girls and getting blown off by every single one, but to me, it just motivates me and lights a fire in my soul to keep going and going until I get the results I'm looking for)

I started posting on RedPill asking anyone in shouting range for advice because it was clear that whatever I was doing was not working. Looking back at some of these threads, I can now laugh at how stupidly aggressive and retarded I was.

It took me 300 approached to get my first lay, 300! I set up 10 dates with absolutely no results, the one lay I had came from a random club girl that I pulled home the same night.

After finally moving to my own place, I thought that I would be able to skyrocket my results by having the ability to pull girls back to my place instead of restricting myself to only going to their place. Little did I know that 2000 approaches later, and I would only have 2 more lays. This was getting beyond ridiculous. 2000 approaches to get 3 lays? In what Universe is that remotely a good trade? A normal person would have just accepted that maybe he's just not good looking enough or smooth to succeed but like I stated before, this really didn't bother me too much and I kept digging for solutions wherever I could find, including RedPill, and various other online forums and groups. Year 2 consisted of me struggling hard, approaching girl after girl with extremely low success rates that never got much better. I even paid 3 grand for an RSD bootcamp and while it was great listening to Owen talk and talk, it turned out to be all hype. My game stayed more or less the exact same, while my excitement factor went up 5X. So instead of going out every weekend and failing like normal, I would go out every weekend super pumped up with energy levels way beyond normal and still fail. This was where even I started to get discouraged a bit. Hard not to feel like a loser when you dropped 3 grand on a bootcamp that was supposed to fix your sticking points but didn't actually do shit.

In year 3, I finally had my big breakthrough. Everything I was learning started to come together and I got to a level that I didn't think was possible, even in my wildest imagination. I've fucked hot girls from every race, from gorgeous blonde twitch streamers, to smoking hot latinas, cute Asians, exotic African women. I got to the point that if I decided to go out, no matter what, I would never leave empty handed. I would always go home with a woman. If you look at my growth chart, it would be almost no results in the beginning 2 years followed by an explosion of results in the final 6 months. I finally settled down with a blonde girl that I've been with for over half a year now and couldn't be happier. She cooks mean dishes and I don't think we've even had one verbal argument throughout our relationship, we just click.

Here are my biggest takeaways from my 3 year journey for all you future slayers and pickup artists in the making:

  1. Do not post your dates or listen to any advice on RedPill - Occasionally, you will get good comments from people that know what they're doing but let's face it, you're asking for advice because you suck with women and if you suck, you have very little way of distinguishing good advice from shitty advice. There is so much feel good mindset advice out there that sounds amazing but does not deliver results in practice. Don't get me wrong, RedPill is amazing when it comes to personal development advice. Lifting is awesome, Spinning plates is awesome. Just don't post your field reports here and expect to be able to tell what's good advice from an actual slayer from shitty advice from a newbie like yourself.
  2. Make sure your looks, fashion, hairstyle, and accessories are as maxed out as they possibly can be. Maybe if you're a naturally tall and handsome white or black guy, you can get away with just putting on a white t shirt and jeans but as a short Asian, trust me, everything adds up and you CANNOT AFFORD to have bad fashion or hairstyle. Maximizing looks is unbelievably important and will help you convert the girls that would normally autoreject you immediately upon approach. Get some blazers and trendy jeans from Zara. Get a fake rolex watch. Get a nice white guy haircut (especially important for Asians. I never see Asians with fobby haircuts doing well with other races. Get a pompadour fade and slay with every race of girls). If you're short, elevator shoes are a must. Even one inch of height makes such a big difference, you have no idea. I would recommend this as the starting point for every aspiring PUA. If you're fat, go on a keto diet and lose the pounds. If you're short, get elevator shoes.
  3. It's not what you say, if's how you say it and how you look while you're saying it - This is one of the biggest takeaways from my entire 3 year journey. As a beginner, it's only natural to see Pickup as a game of who can come up with the wittiest lines and comebacks. The newbie often focuses all his efforts on coming up with the perfect line for everything the girl says, which is completely wrong. The vast majority of issues in game would be solved by simply maxing out looks and perfecting TONALITY and BODY LANGUAGE. This is extremely hard to explain on text but the basic idea is that women don't really give a fuck what you say. How they determine if they like you or not is based primarily on what kind of vibe you give off. The vibe you give off is almost completely determined by your vocal TONALITY and BODY LANGUAGE. Some of the biggest mistakes of vocal tonality are not talking loud enough and talking too fast. I can almost guarantee that your results would go up a lot overnight by simply being conscious of talking 2X louder, 2X slower, and with a deeper more masculine pitch. Take your cell phone and record what you say to the girl in the bathroom mirror. Pay close attention to any nervous ticks in your facial expressions. When you first listen to your recordings you will be shocked at how bad they are. You think you sound confident but when you hear the recording, you'll see that you're talking so fast, in such a high pitched voice, and so quietly that the girl can barely understand what you're saying. No wonder you're getting rejected by so many right off the bat! Body language must be as straight as possible. Stand up against a straight wall at home and make sure your back, neck, and the back of your head are perfectly lined up in a straight line with the wall. It will feel awkward at first compared to your hunchback stance that you're used to, but soon it will feel more natural and trust me, it makes a world of difference to women. Girls can also tell if you suddenly straighten up before approaching them. Make sure you have straight and confident posture throughout your entire day, not just right before approaching girls. The easiest way to correct this is with a video camera and tripod stand. Record yourself going up and say what you'd normally say to a girl. Make sure that everything regarding your tonality and body language are perfect. Like I said, maybe if you're a tall good looking guy, you can get away with shitty tonality but as a hardcase short Asian, EVERYTHING has to be perfect.
  4. Practice your eye contact and use indirect observational openers - It took me a very long time to realize that direct openers do not work unless you are good looking. I get the value of direct openers, they save time and energy on both parties when you go up and say "Hey, I thought you were really adorable and I wanted to say Hi, My name is Loreing". Direct openers are more masculine and establish a man to woman frame from the beginning, if you are conventionally attractive, then by all means stop being a pussy and go direct! The problem is that unless you're conventionally good looking, the girl has NO IDEA who you are. In her head, a random ugly dude just approached her in the street. The natural thing to do is reject you. Of course there are exceptions but the easiest way to go 2000 approaches and only 3 lays is to use Direct Openers. A much better opener is "Excuse me real quick, I have a question. I was on my way to [Starbucks or any other location]. Would you mind helping me out?" When she responds, say "Thanks so much, by the way, I just noticed something about you. You have this [positive and happy vibe / any other fashion or vibe observation]. The important thing is to make sure your eye contact is ABSOLUTELY ON POINT. Focus on one eye and one eye only and make sure your eyes are laser focused on that one eye. The difference between proper laser eye contact and indirect openers and direct "I think you're adorable" openers is night and day. You will get blown out of MUCH LESS SETS, and the girl will at least hear what you have to say. You will still fail with a lot of them because you don't click but at least you won't get autorejected anymore. You will get better and better at making accurate observations and there is nothing like an accurate observation to kick off a conversation on the right foot. As long as your EYE CONTACT, tonality and body language are on point, you don't have to do much crazy game stuff. Just be natural, see if there's a connection. If there is, escalate and try to go for an instadate or grab a number. Not rocket science.
  5. Do not take any courses or even watch any videos from RSD - It will get you pumped up and hyped up to give them money but in terms of actual results, you'd be far better off buying a video camera with a tripod stand and taping your body language or buying an audio recorder and recording your approaches in field and METICULOUSLY pulling everything apart until it's perfect. Just about the only thing I agree with them on is that using canned pickup lines is not as good as using a more natural style of game. Other than that, it's mostly hype.
  6. You do not have to Go Monk Mode - There is no reason you cannot advance in your professional career and succeed with women. You do not have to sacrifice game in order to climb in your career or vice versa. There is more than enough time in the day to get good at both and you'll find that they reinforce each other. As you improve you lifestyle, your game goes up and vice versa. As your game goes up, your ability to make social connections with the people at work that matter for your long term career go up. Game and work naturally reinforce each other. No reason to go monk mode and spend years only working on yourself.

These are my observations about game from over 3 years of experience. I started out getting almost no results and constantly getting blown out of every set I approached. I ended up being able to get a girl in bed pretty much whenever I go out. My last recommendation is that you don't use the knowledge I just laid out to hurt women or manipulate them into doing things they don't want to do. Girls are people too. It's incredibly easy to get cynical and jaded after getting rejected by everyone you approach when you go out but if you keep plugging away at your weaknesses, you will solve them one by one until you become good. You will never get good by blaming women. You only get good by criticizing and working on yourself. The first time you hear yourself talk and see the way your body language comes off, I guarantee it will become abundantly clear why women autoreject your creepy ass when you approach.

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[–]Dilpil01 393 points394 points  (6 children)

I feel like you've developed thoughts and ideologies through actual trial and error in the field and being creative rather than just reading and spouting constant echo-chamber redpill/pua content, which to me shows that you've actually grown. Good work.

[–]guywhoisambitious 37 points38 points  (3 children)

Always choose trial and error over information consumption.

[–]DreamExpedite 7 points8 points  (1 child)

That's pretty interesting, how so ?

[–]guywhoisambitious 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I've been away from TRP for like a year. I've learned more during that year than I did when I was constantly consuming information on here. I think that many people underestimate their ability to retain information.

Once you read and understand something new, it's time to go out and experiment and try it on your own. Only you have the full context of your situation.

From my experience, the ratio between information consumption and experimentation (in other words between theory and action) should be something like 1:5, maybe even more. But like with anything, you have to figure out what works with best for you.

[–]deterlaettis[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Stop generalizing... ye you can be the most talented athlete ever but if you train like a simpleton you won't fulfill your potential.

It should be 1. Trial & error 2. Process ..... repeat

[–]imtheoneimmortal 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I got friend that never know about RP but he acts in similar way of this guy because trial and error and he learns

[–]BoskOfPortKar 160 points161 points  (2 children)

I'm pretty sure I would not have done 1/100th of this.


[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79 74 points75 points  (5 children)

The newbie often focuses all his efforts on coming up with the perfect line for everything the girl says, which is completely wrong. The vast majority of issues in game would be solved by simply maxing out looks and perfecting TONALITY and BODY LANGUAGE. This is extremely hard to explain on text but the basic idea is that women don't really give a fuck what you say.

This right here is a key advice. Real frame is hard to assess when you're the wittiest, most successful and energetic guy in the room. Real frame and high SMV comes up when there is an awkward silence, when you say something a bit dull, when you get put on the spot etc. If you can navigate these waters comfortably, you display unbreakable frame. That's where the real value is.

[–]gigolobob 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Could you provide an example of how a strong frame handles awkward silences / etc?

[–]Endorsed ContributorPopeman79 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Women are more interested to see how you handle pressure and adversity than success. It's easy to be in control when everything is going your way. That's why, the more successful the man, the more they shit-test him to see how he reacts.

But if you display frame in adversity, it's harder for anyone to doubt you. Let's say you're on a date with a girl, and you make a joke that falls flat. Or you trip and fall awkwardly to the ground. Or you get her to bed but can't maintain an erection. Or you get into a fight and lose, end up on the ground with a black eye.

Those cases are great opportunities to display how strong your frame is:

  • Acknowledge what happened to you, own it. Don't brush it under the rug. "Yup, I got a proper beating"

  • But, remain unfazed. Don't feel ashamed, everybody fucks up, constantly. Don't feel sorry for yourself or god forbid claim victim points, just move on.

  • Act like the discomfort of people around you (such as your date) is greater than your own discomfort. "I'm sorry you had to see that, I hope you're ok?" Even defeated, you're still a strong and caring leader, with stronger frame and emotions than people around you Also, you're ready for anything, it's not like an ass-whooping is gonna end your manliness.

  • Finally, own the awkwardness of the moment, and be responsible to move past it. You're still the one in charge of the emotional rollercoaster. So you're the one who lifts spirits up (with a joke, a new plan, etc). "Let's get the drugstore so we can buy stuff for you to patch me up. Then we'll go get a beer and talk about my physical prowess haha!"

[–]Whycantwealltwerk 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Reading this just helped me realize where I fucked up with a girl who had high interest in me.

[–]aeshaesh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I didn’t know that, thank you

[–]Schhwing 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Good work mate. From nowhere to somewhere so, respect. Hope it goes well with you and your girl. Just remember to keep the focus on you and keep improving

[–][deleted] 51 points52 points  (1 child)

To this day the best guy I've ever seen IRL at daytime cold approaches has been a short Vietnamese guy with acne scarring. Can confirm that given practice, fashion awareness, and lifting there is no reason those guys can't become lady killers.

[–]Deathrow22 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Step 1: bE AtTrACTtivE

Step 2: doN‘t bE uNaCtRAcTtiVE

Comments will still be made and unfortunately upvoted here

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18 50 points51 points  (9 children)

Most girls have an inbuilt defence if you go for direct openers to do with their looks.

I saw the Facebook msgs of this chick I was with on Sunday night. My fucking God. The amount of unread msgs from guys saying 'Wow, you're cute/hot/sexy etc', was insane.

When girls are used to hearing that from complete thirsty losers they shut it down in real life ASAP.

They don't think 'oh thank you'. They think 'fuck, not another one'.

It's why I open up with something not to do directly with their looks, but something else about them. I make it quick and sort of aloof, too.

'Nice pants/shoes/bag/outfit' etc.

Real aloof, real casual, never directly their looks.

[–]frooschnate 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This has been in the sidebar for years, people don’t read it.

[–]andreas-mgtow 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Never compliment. it is a signature low value move.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I see what you're saying.

I only use it as an opener, but very very short and very aloof. You can't tell if I'm complimenting or being sarcastic. I immediately take away any validation, though.

I don't do a whole 'wow, I really like your dress it looks amazing' bullshit. Fuck that noise

[–]odaklanan_insan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You can compliment on other things rather than her looks. Maybe her taste of coffee... idk

[–]yomo86 3 points4 points  (1 child)

This is what newbies always get wrong. Never as a dogma isn't going to cut it. When you never be a nice person just for courtisy or even just out of politness or genuine appreciation you are not RP, PUA or whatever other term one would call it you are just a dick.

[–]Vynxe-Vainglory 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I always find it bizarre when people follow rules and structures so rigidly and expect it to work out.

It’s like, what god do you think wrote this system that you won’t have to further evaluate and improvise on a case by case basis?

Such things don’t exist. The structures are there to make it easier to fall back on something that has a fair statistical or theoretical advantage when you lose your way while improvising. It’s not there to replace improvisation.

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[–]sweeptheleg55 114 points115 points  (1 child)

Honestly it just sounds like your learned to be a human and not a red pill robot. Congrats on your relationship and building yourself through the trials by fire

[–]redvelvet_oreo 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I agree with this. It does sound like OP was becoming a robot thinking just approaching would do the trick. Its much more then that. I'm surprised he couldn't learn any of that from some of RSD material.

[–]selfeduhated 80 points81 points  (0 children)

Much respect. Street game is the most difficult but can be the most rewarding I’m still on my journey and hope to reach the same destination as you.

[–]mamaknulare 28 points29 points  (3 children)

How old were you when you started on your approaching streak?

[–]Loreing[S] 31 points32 points  (2 children)

  1. Was a virgin up until that point

[–]odaklanan_insan 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Wow. That's brutal man... So you basically don't consider virgins as grown ups.

[–]lalaeticia 26 points27 points  (4 children)

You did it! You worked your ass of and got the results you dreamed off.

You have my respect!

What gives you the most confidence nowadays? Being able to pick up woman or your carreer/SMV etc?

[–]Loreing[S] 22 points23 points  (3 children)

Probably the insane journey of picking up women. It really showed me how important persistence and stubbornness are to success. At the time, I was kind of frustrated because I saw my tall good looking white and black friends get girl after girl without trying, but now I'm grateful to have been able to overcome so many barriers. Also incredibly grateful that success in approaching women also led to success in my career. Dressing better and lifting to low body fat % is good for your career and girls. Good body language is good for both. Ability to shrug off rejection is good for both if you want to be in a revenue generating role (sales)

[–]smirk_addict 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Are you living in a major city? Maybe you mentioned that and i missed it. You mentioned seeing black guys kill it. I’m just curious because I’m a black male living in southern small town America. My experiences have been similar to yours honestly. Im doing OK, i do get laid frequently and I’m almost maxed out as far as looks. Im Not getting the girls i really want though. I’m just brainstorming if my issues are more so demographically related or I could just be doing more. Brother you really beat the odds.

[–]Loreing[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I live in a major city on the Eastern Coast. Yes, I see black guys killing it, as long as they're average or above average height and in decent shape.

Haven't really gamed in the South and I can't offer any useful opinions there.

[–]Chumbardo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you do for a living?

[–]RedSkeller 22 points23 points  (0 children)

This post should be on the sidebar, it's well written and concise. Congrats on your journey and all the hard work.

[–]redvelvet_oreo 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Good shit man. I can’t stress #3 enough. It’s a bit subtle for a lot of people. I never took a RSD boot camp and never would cause I never needed that kind of thing but I did learn #3 from RSD free tour from Julien. I wouldn’t say don’t watch any videos from them I would say don’t watch their new shit because it’s not about game. A lot of their free tour material helped me tremendously.

[–]prrraveen 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I day game. I did 150+ approaches by far with 2 result. I was about give it up because I didn't see the light at the end of the tunnel. I am decently attractive, not short where I live. I will work on the three things you mentioned. Tonality, body language and eye contact(laser eye contact :-p). Thanks.

[–]Loreing[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That's awesome man. Good luck and make sure to try indirect openers instead of direct and work on your haircut and fashion as well.

I hear you, it's pretty easy to treat the whole thing like a massive numbers game instead of a skill once you get to an intermediate level.

[–]LeatherBoundWisdom 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You're an absolute inspiration

[–]1embracingtheredpill 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Good for you Loreing. If you can do this you can do anything.

Each point is specific, brilliant advice, and I hope more people get both the letter and spirit of it.

[–]SlicerX321 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This is why i cant agree with incels. Even if you never get laid, keep trying until you die.

[–]Andgelyo 10 points11 points  (5 children)

As a 5’9 Filipino guy, who’s had moderate success with women, I fucking love you. Finally a voice for the red pill asian men. I’m in a relationship with a cute hipster black girl, but every weekend I’m out with the boys trying to pick up women (to work on my own social skills). This is pure gold.

[–]Loreing[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Hey man, that's incredible and you should definitely consider it a blessing that you have such great friends to go out with that are similarly motivated to go out and approach women. Out of every Asian ethnicity, I definitely think Filipinos crush it the most with women. A lot of them are just naturally confident and alpha.

[–]Siyuen_Tea 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You ever read the mystery method? Alot of what you do is very similar. He used indirect openers because it allowed him to hit on girls who are with friends ( as they usually are).

[–]machinavelli 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So you look more Asian or Latino? Filipinos who look more Latino tend to do better.

[–]Andgelyo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Both. I’ve had people who thought I looked Chinese, people who thought I looked Indian, any where from Italian to Hispanic.

My brother looks more Latino though. Probably why he’s able to do so well with Hispanic girls and middle eastern chicks (dad claims to have partial Spanish ancestry, not confirmed yet).

[–]bestsparkyalive 21 points22 points  (0 children)

This is one of the best posts I’ve read on Reddit. Thanks dude

[–]thebadguy89 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Dude, this post is inspirational as hell. As an asian dude ive been having trouble putting into action RP theory and started attributing my failures infield to me being asian or not tall enuff. I started thinking that all the successful posters here on TRP are just 5’10+ white dudes. Recently i just flat out gave up approaching non asian girls since i had this negative mindset.

How tall are you if you dont mind me asking (sometimes ppl think theyre short but theyre really just average)

Also - do you have any recs for a good pair of elevator shoes? Whats a good amount of height to elevate before it becomes too obvious?

Thank you so much for your post, but even more for your persistence, because, from 1 asian man to another, you are a fucking hero. Like, jeremy lin level.

[–]Loreing[S] 6 points7 points  (2 children)


The elevator boots I got from Amazon are mad uncomfortable so I would not recommend them. Sorry I couldn't have been of more help but I'd say do your own research on the best pair of elevator boots to buy.

I'd recommend as much height as possible. the majority of your approaches will be in the night where nobody can really tell what you're wearing on your feet anyways, but everyone can see how tall you are. I used to believe height and looks don't matter but it was absolutely bonkers how much better women responded when I added 2.5" as 5'9 1/2'' instead of 5'7''. It was like night and day. If I had to do it again, I'd get a higher quality pair of elevator shoes that give 3" or above. It really does make that much of a difference and you'll do so much walking around in it, the higher quality will pay off in the end.

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[–]idonthavtitsbcimaguy 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Height means nothing my guy. Stop thinking about it.

[–]Vikingcel 8 points9 points  (3 children)

This is the shit OP meant by this

There is so much feel good mindset advice out there that sounds amazing but does not deliver results in practice.

Have you even read OPs post?

If you're short, elevator shoes are a must. Even one inch of height makes such a big difference, you have no idea.

In the comments, OP even elaborates on the difference in how women respond to him when he's walking around at 5'7 vs 5'9.5

[–]idonthavtitsbcimaguy 3 points4 points  (2 children)

OP's only half right. Stop thinking about it. If wearing elevator shoes helps make you stop thinking about it then by all means go for it. But at the end of the day you're only hiding an insecurity. Height only matters if you let it matter, if you let it get to your head.

[–]ChrimsonChin988 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep. Height issues are 90% between your ears. Unless you're below like 5'3 you can still get plenty girls. Believing you need to be 5'10+ to get chicks will become a self fulfilling prophecy...

Also, wearing elevator shoes that make you like 1 inch taller is going to mean fuck all realistically speaking.

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[–]Vikingcel 4 points5 points  (1 child)

To quote OP "Even one inch of height makes a big difference."

So clearly wanting to know how tall OP is isn't being 'way too focused on this stuff'

[–]fromia 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Impressive journey! Where would you say is the best place to meet new and quality chicks? I.e. the places you personally went and had success meeting them. Loreing

[–]Loreing[S] 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Clubs, lounges, and bars are the main places that I approached. You simply won't be able to approach in the heavy volume needed to get good without using bars or clubs.

In the daytime, the best place to approach is the Train Station because there are always new people coming in and out so you can get a lot of approaches in. In addition, people are naturally either sitting down or standing still, which makes for a much more natural approach as opposed to stopping them walking like on the street. If you click with the girl, just follow her on the train and continue the conversation there and set up an instadate. The train station is also loud and forces you to work on talking louder in order to compensate. Overall, an excellent place to approach during the day.

Some bad places are parks and the street. I always find that I'm doing a lot more walking around to find attractive women than actually working on my game when I go there. There's simply not enough attractive women around and you have to walk around forever to find one to approach.

Shopping places like Target and Stop & Shop are alright to approach during your day to day routine. I usually just approach every hot girl in the store while buying groceries. There won't be that many and it's a good warmup to the club later in the day. Even chatting up girls on your way to buying lunch is worth it, what have you got to lose?

Malls are okay. they have the same problem as parks in that you have to do a lot of walking around to find suitable women to approach but it's super easy to set up instadates there since you often just walk to another part of the mall together and grab something to eat/drink.

[–]muellermeierschulz 9 points10 points  (1 child)

You are a real 10Xer, Loreing.

THE 10X RULE If you want one thing, take massive action equal to at least ten times what you think it will take to ensure that you attain that one thing. If you do that, you won’t have to hope, wish, cross your fingers, or pray for what you want. What you want—and far more—will come to you when the right amount of action is created!


Never be reasonable when it comes to taking action. Just take more action. Be almost insane with how much action you take to get the job done. A farmer should plant far more than he can possibly eat so that if a drought or famine occurs he can still take care of his family and his neighbors. A realtor who wants listings should call hundreds of people to get just one and will probably end up with many. If you want appointments, call every friend you have and every past client. Stop people on the streets if that’s what it takes. Be mad in how much action you take until it becomes a habit, a way of life, and normal for you. Once you are greatly successful, people will talk about how successful they always knew you would be, rather than how crazy you were. In no time, you’ll be overflowing with appointments, sales, and success. Act like a madman when it comes to action and get completely unreasonable about what you think it will take to get the job done. Be without sanity or logic or reason when it comes to taking massive amounts of action and you’ll reach heights that others never dreamed possible.

Grant Cardone - Sell or Be Sold

[–]Loreing[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Really good and inspiring stuff from Grant Cardone. One thing I'd add is that if what you're doing is not working, try a slightly different approach, instead of just grinding it out over and over like I did with the 2000 approaches. Keep the end goal the same, but switch it up a bit and experiment with new things. From what I've noticed, it usually does not take more than a couple weeks to notice if a new piece of advice is beneficial, harmful, or in the vast majority of cases, makes absolutely no difference. This applies to the gym, work, or women. If I had to do it again, I'd focus more on making adjustments when things weren't working instead of nose to the grindstone spamming the same thing over and over again.

[–]bulletzdz 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Hey brother congrats on becoming the man you are today! Your post reminds me so much of myself. Im asian 5'7 above avg face slightly. Was overweight out of shape, bad eye contact and body language etc when i first started out. Lolol early days of daygame, my eyes literally twitched and bouncing around from being nervous.

The points you made are dead on with my own epiphanies. I stopped reading shit learning shit online after I took a bc with mystery wasted 2k. I realized after dropping the neg, the high energy bs and focusin on my eye contact, and posture was huge. I also got in shape. Lifting. Got jacked, ripped etc. I did learn some game from a rsd instructor whom I believe to have some of the best fundamentals I ever came across. 100% agree with u on speaking2x louder and slower especially night game. I focused huge on logistics, on showing the physique, healed shoes help for sure, and just over all became a str8 thug on my dates.

Glad to see anotha asian brotha killing it

[–]Loreing[S] 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Yeah, I know how you feel brother, definitely wasted sooo much time on the high vibration energy stuff because it sounds so good. Grats on killing it out there

[–]bulletzdz 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Yup. Looking back, it was cringy af. Thanks brotha. I always wondered if there was other guys similiar to me. Appreciate the post because it helps out our other brothers, I tried to write up a post like yours to spread love but it got banned.

[–]gigolobob 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Bro could you share your story on the AsianMasculinity sub? I’m sure they will find it valuable

[–]bulletzdz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I posted the piece i originally wrote about a year ago. Have a look if its there. I dont use reddit much so I'm not sure if it's on.

[–]TheCiph3r 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Salute to you sir from a fellow Asian. I can relate to you that when failing, instead of getting discouraged, it lights a fire under my ass more and learn from my previous mistake and keep on trying. I don’t know if this is an Asian thing or not. I got that work ethic from my family when they forced me to study in school or piano/guitar.

Advice number one is the most important. You’ll reach a point where you’ll get a few lays but will plateau. More advices and theories won’t help you. I’m still not as good as you but I think theories won’t help me improve anymore. I’m aware that the things I need to learn, I can only learn from experience with women.

[–]machinavelli 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Asian who play guitar are very popular. Hope you still play today.

[–]TheCiph3r 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't know that Asians who play are popular now, interesting. But for sure not a lot white people I know can't play instruments. Yeah bro i still play guitar but I dropped the piano tho and focused on singing.

[–]claykiller2010 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Keto diet combined with stronglifts 5x5 with one cheat day a week was the magic pill for me. The pounds came right off.

I was on Keto and I was doing great but I fell off the wagon a few months ago. I wasn't even working out.

I'm definitely going to get back into it and try the stronglifts 5x5.

[–]GizmoGatsby 5 points6 points  (0 children)


The adverb "definitely" is an indication that this is a false commitment, rendering the line meaningless. Shorten the time between thought and action. Get on keto. Start 5x5.

[–]Not_A_randomfakename 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Any recommended resources on tonality? What do you mean by that? I assume it doesn’t just mean talking loud.

[–]latinasonly 5 points6 points  (0 children)

talking with your full voice as opposed to a timid voice.

[–]Siyuen_Tea 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Here's what I learned from style.

You can go about this 2 ways. With a phone or with a friend. I have no friends so I used a phone. Stand about 6 feet from your phone and say " I can speak loudly and clearly and still be heard". The goal is to hear your voice, loud and clear, without actually shouting.

Read a book called rules of the game by Neil Strauss. The first week is pretty much all about fixing yourself.

[–]Siyuen_Tea 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Forgot to mention something not covered. . In general your voice shouldn't raise at the end like your asking a question. It makes you sound unsure of yourself.In tonality sarcasm should be clearly distinguishable. If your teasing sounds serious, it will be treated as serious. Each feeling your trying to convey should be distinguishable in body language and voice.

[–]Not_A_randomfakename 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks I’ll work on this. I’ve read Strauss’s other book so I know he’s good I’ll check this one out

[–]SoftVision 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Focus on one eye and one eye only and make sure your eyes are laser focused on that one eye.

I'm curious what you're reasoning behind this is, /u/Loreing.

[–]Whycantwealltwerk 0 points1 point  (1 child)

There’s been studies done on it. You can look it up online.

[–]Siyuen_Tea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All the ones I've read say to shift focus between each eye.

[–]machinavelli 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Very impressive. Too many Asian guys, especially short Asian guys, just give up and make excuses and cope with LoL/DoTA/OW etc instead of going out there and chasing women. Asian guys like you who go out and take risks are lifting all Asians up.

[–]ozenmacher 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I 100 percent agree, and I can say that as a short asian myself. I have a lot of success now (in my thirties), but was more or less an incel all the way through my 20s. I didn't put the immense effort you did, and I didn't even know of Redpill, PUA, etc. My changes largely came through observation and learning about TRP and masculinity in general.

What have I learned?

  • Confidence is everything with women. When I was largely the same looking person 10 years ago, never once did a women even pay me a second of attention. However, walk confidently, have a swagger, good eye contact and social skills, good posture, etc., and the women flock. Once you notice this basic stuff, I see so many men these days and am not shocked there is a glut of incels.
  • Women LOVE to flirt (as long as you aren't a creep). Yeah they love attention too, but they really love to flirt. It is fun for them. So many men fail at this. Almost all women love the playfulness of the act. Being direct goes against this natural playfulness.
  • IOIs women give off are subtle, but if you know what to look for, they aren't as subtle as one may think. If a women gives you an IOI, approach. She wants it.
  • IDGAF is really really important. But you can't fake it, women will sniff that crap out. You just have to truly not GAF, and to any man asking how to get that, do hard shit. Best advice I can give. Do hard shit that pushes your limits.

[–]gigolobob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What are some IOIs to look for from your experience?

[–]420KUSHBUSH 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you walk in like you own the place at a certain point you'll have everyone convinced

[–]Scabsandwhich 7 points8 points  (2 children)

This reminds me alot of my job. I'm 20 y/o in door to door sales aka "canvassing". After hundreds of rejections, it can get you down; however, if you persist and keep going there is many lay downs to be had money to be made...etc.

Emotional intelligence plays a huge role. Knowing that the nag in your head is your biggest enemy, not the prospect itself. Push past each rejection. Either forget it, and reset, or analyze what not to do and move on. Lately I've been recording Audio at the doors and it is a shock to hear some of the things I'll say or the tone I'll use.

Canvassing is a great job to learn some pickup skill. I'm 5' 4" 120lb went into this job with social anxiety and lots of insecurity. That shit has been blown out of the water by the vast amount of rejection. Fuck the no's, if you persist there will be yes's. When they come it feels so fucking good. Money in the pocket.

Got laid for the first time in a year (took 12 month reflection time) last week. It was my first approach since deciding to start back up at the game. I learned about tonality, body language, and confidence from knocking on doors and being called a piece of shit solicitor. Own those motherfuckers and take what you're there for!

[–]Loreing[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Holy shit, good work on door to door sales man. I wish I had the balls to do something like that at 20. I feel like it would have accelerated my growth with women and life by years. Yeah, listening to recordings for the first time is a real shocker and ego destroyer. So much to improve and work on!

I'd say the biggest thing is that it will be really easy to view sales as a "low profession" and try to study hard in school for a "high income job" if you do nothing but door to door selling but it's important to recognize that the foundation of every successful business out there is sales. Most CEOs built successful companies not because their product is superior but because they're really fucking good at selling it. Definitely don't give up sales after graduation and look for better and higher paying opportunities or start your own business

[–]420KUSHBUSH 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Most CEOs built successful companies not because their product is superior but because they're really fucking good at selling it"

If anyone ever tells you otherwise don't give examples of modern companies, give examples present throughout time

[–]faktoy 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Fake rollex - You are Redpill slayer of the year
2000 approaches and 3 lays - Must be insane journey

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[–]Loreing[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

First, record yourself and listen to how you sound.

Try to talk from your chest and diaphragm, not your throat.

It's actually pretty hard to talk loud and in a deep voice, definitely needs practice. A mindset hack is to take 10 really deep breaths and be 100% present to your environment and the present. If my mind is thinking about work or the past, or the future, I'm always going to be at a disadvantage compared to if I'm focused on all the details around me in the present.

[–]Casanova-Quinn 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The vast majority of issues in game would be solved by simply maxing out looks and perfecting TONALITY and BODY LANGUAGE.

This is probably the strongest point here. Every guy I know who is good with women has that "cool" factor, which boils down to what your saying.

[–]1Self-honest 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s not what you say, it’s how you say it and how you look while you’re saying it.

Power talk. Overall communication is the key.

Pay attention to what you’re communicating and what’s being communicated to you (watch what they do not what they say).

Most guys can only take words at face value. Women don’t communicate overtly. Learn the language of covert communication.

The medium is the message.

Acta non verba.

Congrats on the transformation bro.

[–]Askerman97_returns 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I'm South Asian and didn't struggle this much. Can confirm looks play a role. Lower bf% made it easier to score.

[–]VaN__Darkholme 6 points7 points  (1 child)

One day my bulk will finally stop.

[–]throwaway_alt_slo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If ur natural, when u cut, do u even look like u lift when in clothes? I think not. Maybe im wrong. But if im not, why would u bulk even?

[–]La_llama_blanca 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Congrats on your journey OP. This is a well-articulated account of your transformation and contains plenty of helpful, practical steps for those starting out.

Just one question for you - What do you think caused you to suddenly have success in the last year? Was this when you acknowledged that direct game wasn't working out for you?

[–]Loreing[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Yeah, when I started going indirect and focusing on eye contact, body language, tonality, and fashion I found that I got rejected a lot less right from the beginning, which was my main sticking point. Another thing is being a lot less flirty and "gamey" with women. It worked a lot better when I was spending 90% of the time just having a normal conversation with the girl like I would an old friend and only 10% on flirting or witty game stuff.

[–]SourBow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Your situation sounded almost exactly like my own growing up so I hope I can also change for the better like you have.

[–]_Ulan_ 3 points4 points  (5 children)

/u/Loreing Could you give out some short FRs from your worst kind of rejection up to what your define as your favourite ? Not for people to review but to understand your style and approach.

[–]Loreing[S] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I had some pretty atrocious approaches when I was starting out. I look back on them now and can do nothing but cringe lol.

The worst rejection I've ever had was when security kicked me out of a local bar because a girl flipped out at me. I remember having watched a game of thrones episode right before and thinking Euron Greyjoy was a badass and trying to copy his facial expressions while in a conversation with the girl. I guess it came off as autistic and weird as fuck instead of how it looked in my mind lmao

My favorite approach is when I lost my virginity and got laid the first time. Nothing can top the dopamine rush from that first time. I didn't really do anything too spectacular, I just picked her up on the dance floor and made out with her and brought her home but since it was my first time having sex, it's the one I'll remember most.

Another good one was when I pulled a cute brunette home but ran into last minute resistance and wasn't able to do anything sexual and got ignored on text the next day. Through no planning of my own and pure coincidence, I ran into her at a bar while out approaching. Of course, I went up and talked again but it was clear she wasn't willing to go home again. The weird thing is that it just kept happening over and over again. I guess our minds were weirdly in sync as to which venues to go to every night but it happened at least 5 times where I would run into her completely by chance. Eventually, she was like "Ok, maybe it's destiny or something" and we fucked. Was a good plate for a while but we weren't really compatible so eventually had to break things off. Still kinda crazy how I kept meeting her at random. I live in a big city so it's not like there's only one place that everyone goes to.

[–]gigolobob 0 points1 point  (1 child)

For the first girl, how did you approach her on the dance floor? Clubs are loud af so I feel like dancing with them is the best option

[–]Loreing[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She was sitting down on the dance floor and I literally walked up, grabbed her hand, and pulled her up to dance and started making out with her shortly afterwards.

I think dancing is good but it's easy to get rejected there since it's a highly physical environment. I prefer approaching at the bar or near the restrooms as they're coming out and moving to the dance floor if the conversation goes well. Yeah, clubs are loud as hell, that's why you have to work on talking louder

[–]Chumbardo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's hilarious. So in theory, stalking a girl would work, as long as you could play it off as coincidence. Though in practice, if you're doing that, you're probably a thirsty creep and it'll come off in your mannerisms/body language/vocal tonality.

[–]420KUSHBUSH 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If only I could shake your hand and pat you on the back in person for becoming the man that you are now

[–]UncleWarwick 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I’m sad because the “my mom is a slut” post has nearly as many comments as this post. Where you should celebrated and rallied around.

Honestly what the fuck is wrong with all you people on this sub

[–]420KUSHBUSH 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's been going downhill since early 2018 I find

[–]Andgelyo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most of the “new” red pillers here are confirmed phaggots. As one person said, it’s been going to downhill for quite sometime. I only take what little valuable information what’s left here and move forward with it. OP is a real one.

[–]cupshadow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lived at home so no pull location

I know that the best way is to have your own place but a motel works fine too.

[–]peacemakerzzz 7 points8 points  (8 children)

Bro I’m a short Asian yet I get Western European girls. It’s not about the height, it’s about the body language and tonality. Sure, to an extent height and race matter but if you compensate in different ways, like say, getting a ripped body, then you’d still get some pussy nonetheless.

[–]Loreing[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That's really cool man. Can't really say much since I haven't done any game in Europe so all my experience comes from America

[–]peacemakerzzz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ok that seems fair. I’ve been told most Americans are racist, so are Australians. But that’s not my point. My point is that Game trumps both Looks and Status. Despite our so called “Asian deficiency”, if we keep shooting the shots we take sooner or later there will come a white pussy waiting for an Asian dick to thrust her. Note: I don’t believe in Asian racism, that mindset is what limits myself to do what I can.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Are you south asian or east asian?

What's your height?

[–]peacemakerzzz 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I’m southeast Asian. My height is 5’4”. Father is from Hong Kong, mother from Philippines.

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[–]latinasonly 2 points3 points  (2 children)

question for OP about your laser eye contact.

during my initial approach to a girl , 50% of the time , she stares at me intensely as we talk . i usually remeber to try and last longer than her in the first initial eye contact and after that I don't pay attention to what i do as far as eye contact . also i find when i say good by and walk away , the girl stares at me intensely , and I generally break eye contact and leave her staring.

can you elebaorate on your laser eye contact style ?

[–]Loreing[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This sounds like you're not smiling during your initial approach. This is one thing I forgot to add in the main post. Smiling a lot is beta behavior in general but during the initial approach, you have to smile AND maintain eye contact in order to be not seen as a creep.

[–]latinasonly 0 points1 point  (0 children)


my style on the smiling / not smiling thing is to let it flow naturally . how much smiling i have during my initial approach depends on my mood. yes , guys not used to hot girls smile too much because they get too exited. however with enough exposure , the amount and way you smile changes .

[–]AllAboardToTheMoon 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Did you go out to bars and clubs alone to approach? Did you need to learn how to dance?

[–]Loreing[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I went with wingmen some nights and some nights alone. I did take dance lessons but for me, the dance floor was not a good place to approach because it's too loud to carry on a conversation so the girl mainly judges you by looks. Far better to approach at the bar and bring to the dance floor if necessary to escalate.

Unfortunately, I didn't really have much luck with a wingman but I know that if I wanted to bring my game to the next level, I would need a good wingman because it started getting to the point where I would get the girl super attracted and the only thing stopping her from going home with me was her friends.

Wingmen are good for getting each other motivated and hyped up for approaching but if they're at the same level as you, it's sometimes counterproductive because they'll fuck up your set and you'll fuck up theirs and since you're bros, you can't just tell each other to leave.

[–]curvedbymykind 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good work. I’m curious, did you meet your current gf by direct approach?

[–]SeasonedRP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nice job on your progress, and these are good observations, particularly 3 and 6.

[–]trp369 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Bro hopefully you will still see this comment, if you can approach like that go into sales/recruitment you will definitely be one of the top earners immediately

[–]Loreing[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what I did to advance in my career, switched to more of a revenue generating role as opposed to operations.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I saved this. 22M in the same slate as your before - definitely taking some notes!

[–]imtheoneimmortal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m a guy in wheelchair and I’ll start growing muscle because I learned that muscle=masculine and also will help me with life

Personally for now to me is more important gym, you were saying that initially being Asian was a turn off but it’s just a thing a doubt you got in your head

The posture is really important because I tried, with good posture people say hi to you and smile, with bad shit like hair skin posture nobody wants you

I saved your post for reading in future, hope you edit and wrote more things

[–]Lisrus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

one of the few posts I'd urge people to read on here. well said. all of it

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[–]Loreing[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hey man, grats on the amazing results financially, I know from personal experience that's not easy and probably much harder than getting good with women.

I actually did build a business in the 3 years and found that going out 1-2 nights a week was incredibly beneficial. I mean, it's not like I can go cold calling for prospective clients on Friday and Saturday night. I'd be stuck doing boring admin work for the business instead of meeting new people and working on my social skills by going out.

$300K a year is really good, are you in the online sales space or real estate industry by any chance?

[–]Auldgalivanter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

CASANOVA? check out Short,,Ugly,,,,but could convince,by sheer force of personality.

[–]BROqal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol, what a great post, thanks man. Saved.

[–]Skypier 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I'm Asian too, but Im decently tall 5:'10-5'11ish for working out should I do keto diet? I'm heard you have to bulk up and get bug but I wanna wear the new clothes I got from Korea which were kinda expensive

[–]Loreing[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I don't know what your body type is so really hard to give specific advice. What worked for me was focusing on pull-ups and rows to build the illusion of a V-Taper and working each major body group 2X a week as opposed to 3X. So 2X a week for chest and back, 2X a week for legs as I found I could gain strength each time as opposed to stalling.

[–]Skypier 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Hmmm you said you did sl 5 x 5 program though?

[–]Loreing[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yep, I noticed it was significantly easier to build strength and prevent stalling at the gym if I did Tuesday and Saturday instead of Monday, Wednesday, Friday. So same workouts as stronglifts with A and B just 2 days a week instead of 3. Idk I think a lot of trial by error is involved in any workout routine because everybody responds differently

[–]VTSAX_Over_Kids 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You lost me at buy a fake Rolex.

Don’t be that guy.

[–]1girldaily 1 point2 points  (0 children)

100% mirrors my experience bro.

Nothing but massive respect and would love to get you on an interview/podcast.

-Brad Holiday


[–]Stephanohehe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Doesnt it look wierd to the person you’re looking at if you’re only staring into one of their eyes?

[–]1McDrMuffinMan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How often do you go out, and how many approaches net do you think it took you to get to state?

[–]UnbreakableFrame 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This is an absolutely fantastic post. Hell yes. We need more content like this. Body language is absolutely everything, and eye-contact is the filet mignon of body language. When I'm at my most crass, which is most of the time, I refer to proper eye-contact as eye fucking. You should literally eye-fuck woman that you meet. It's the most primal behavior possible. The only way to learn this is by staring people down intensely and watching how their body language and their own eye-contact subtly changes as you suddenly change your own. I love this post, man. Big congrats on your incredible journey and progress.

[–]Loreing[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Incredible analogy with eye contact being the filet mignon of body language. Agreed 100%

[–]CabbagedDaughter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rule number is key. Or is it?

[–]RedDeadlift 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Incredible analysis. The videotaping/recoding of oneself is something I haven't heard much about on here but it makes complete sense. So simple and so effective, thanks for that.

And this really hit home for me:

Some of the biggest mistakes of vocal tonality are not talking loud enough and talking too fast. I can almost guarantee that your results would go up a lot overnight by simply being conscious of talking 2X louder, 2X slower, and with a deeper more masculine pitch.

This is probably the #1 thing I could improve. I will start recording myself. Eye opening for sure. Thanks again.

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[–]Loreing[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cheat day once a week where I eat an entire pizza, which is my main craving. No, I don't like drinking alcohol at bars & clubs because I find that it slows my speed of thought down. You have to be fast and ready to adapt, especially as the night goes on and your energy levels go down.

Keto was really hard for me but if I had one piece of advice it'd be to keep everything else the same but add black beans. They really do wonders to keep my feeling full so I don't get nagging hunger pains throughout the day.

[–]JurrasicBarf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How do you end up converting?

From conversations to back to your place in just one session

[–]Distractingyou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Amazing content i really want to help a latino who isnt confident on his game but he has potential he just needs this post

[–]KatanaRunner 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Good stuff, man, thanks for sharing.

Got any advice when it comes to being comfortable in your skin?

[–]Loreing[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Start getting results and succeeding in whatever goals you've set for yourself. It's not easy being comfortable in your skin if you're in your parent's basement playing video games all day and jacking off to porn. I've seen people who are able to project confidence and be completely comfortable in their skin while living a minimalist lifestyle and I can admire and respect that but for me, the comfort only came after I started getting results, whether it's money or women.

[–]KatanaRunner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, I really appreciate you taking the time to reply.

[–]viphawaii 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good job. Thanks for the post

[–]ZeppKfw 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This post deserves more recognition. Infact, I think it should be stickied for a little while to show that this is how it's supposed to be.

Just wanted to bump this post. Gj OP. I aspire to be like you one day.

[–]six-acorn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Man ... mad respect. That's all I gotta say.

My path was different than yours --- let's say I wasn't a short Asian dude, but I struggled the same. I know what's it's like to get rejected 100 times and then sack up and go back into the fray. Talk about saying fuck you to state. I say that as an intelligent man, not a social retard either who is oblivious to rejection.

It's interesting too ... I have a number of Asian friends, but I could certainly not repeat your advice (get a white guy haircut, I know that's probably not exactly what you meant) --- but that'st the way it is. Though I guess if I framed it differently.

I have a great bullshit detector. There's a lot of dumb bullshit on this sub, but this post is legit. I know it's real talk and experience, which is rare. Mad respect.

[–]ChrimsonChin988 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You kinda get it.

Sure, things like maximizing looks is important up to a certain point, you don't want to look like actual shit. But you get to the point of diminishing returns rather quick. Most of that shit is just between your ears, if you believe you have to look 8/10 to get laid, you will have to look like that to get laid. Self fulfilling prophecy. A guy who thinks he can get laid looking 6/10 will get laid looking like that.

You talk about getting a fake rolex et cetera but that would sooner work against you than for you in my experience. Same elevator shoes, if you believe your height is holding you back it will. Unless you're really fucking tiny you can still get laid without too much problem if you have game.

Body language - don't get me started on this shit. It's a gimmick. Fake it till you make it. The first two years you had no results because you were being inauthentic. You still had to integrate those habits and beliefs into your personality. People can smell the incongruence when you're trying to display confidence through body language but you're not confident at all.

The reason you're getting laid is because you stopped being an autistic fuck. I'm guessing you started looking people in the eye, stopped using submissive body language, developed your social skills, developed boundaries and standards etc. I know, it's not rocket science but at first it seems like it.

"It doesn't matter what you say but how you say it (&who's saying it)" is something I totally agree with. But you get it slightly wrong assuming that if you tell an austist to talk x2 slower and speak x2 louder he will have success. He will look even more retarded lol.

You mistake the gimmick for the mindset behind it. The gimmick isn't the thing bringing you success, the mindset is.

[–]Loreing[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, not really. I know your way intuitively makes more sense but oddly enough I noticed the biggest upswing in results after I started acting MORE like a robot and copying high level body language and tonality from some of my favorite movie characters like Iron Man and Wolf of Wall Street. For me personally, the social skills thing and mindset thing sounded legit and made a lot of sense which is why I took an RSD bootcamp but just because you have the right mindset, it's no guarantee you will come off the right way to the girl. Things only started coming together after I robotically copied body language, tonality, and fashion from successful men

[–]latinasonly 3 points4 points  (0 children)

give this man endorsed contributor status.

[–]Drive_Thru_Sushi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good post, lots of practical advice here.

[–]Drasticss 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Okay, but what was your rank in league ?

[–]Loreing[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Mid-High Plat. Huge waste of time that didn't teach me anything useful that could later be applied to the real world. Would highly recommend not ever starting because it's addictive

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[–]Loreing[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hard to say without more information about ethnicity. All I know is a pompadour fade haircut with pomade every morning worked really well for me

[–]RedEyeDude 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Good post. Can you share an image of the haircut you mean. White boy haircut isn't that descriptive.

[–]Loreing[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)


Go to a white barbershop to cut it, not Asian. If you have an Asian haircut, you can do well with Asian girls, but if you have this, you can do well with any race of girls

[–]RedEyeDude 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. What if one feels that it doesn't go well with their personality. Do you think one should still go for it

[–]deterlaettis[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To the 4th point. Nothing is set in stone and no looks do not mean everything (Patrice O'Neal...) for direct openers. It's what you righteously believe as you that is the most sexy to women. Being good looking just means the disparity in looks is easier to handle.

Aslong as you own your words it doesn't matter what you say aslong as you show your intent without fear of rejection. Being bad looking but owning it towards an insanely attractive woman can work in your advantage, if you RIGHTEOUSLY believe it.

And yes ofcourse looks matter, but looks matter ALOT more in our world because we objectify at a much higher level than women. Yes women might look at you and think you are sexy, but what they actually look for is if you FEEL sexy to them. In that way, your looks might set the bar lower in how sexy they expect you might feel to them. Which might just work your way to give them a carousel of emotions. (At first glance he didn't look like much, but the way he makes me feel I have never felt before)

Was Genghis Khan attractive? Nothing special really, but do you really think a man like Genghis Khan gave a single fuck about how he looked? Looks matter as much as you let them matter, they are a blessing and a curse like anything in life. (Popular, good looking kids tend to become retarded because nobody wants them to be wrong.)

That said, thank you for sharing your post OP, you show resilience that's unheard of in today's age. I couldn't imagine going 2000 with rock bottom success and you're still pushing, still showing courage. You have built a fantastic frame.

[–]matcha_cheesecake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As an Asian male, we are the most undesirable male race. Thank you for helping us out!

[–]Carefreeeee -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sounds like you fetishize your girlfriend's race to be honest

[–]Balderdash79 0 points1 point  (0 children)

RSD is shit.

Lot of betas hiring strippers to simulate pick-ups.

The only way they could get worse would be hiring GLO to enthuse about the value of steroids.

[–]Bartand -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So the 3e years you started doing drugs and that started to give result, why are you so shy to tell us?

[–]UnbreakableButts -1 points0 points  (1 child)

So what exactly was the big breakthrough? Lota text, not a lot of value.

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[–]modTheRedPike[M] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Reminder to all: no asking for dox even if you think they are anonymous. Shit slips through sometimes.

[–]throwabcdaway4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Someone asked to dox me ? I dont even get the downvotes, its always better with some pictures and some guys have done it already in the past on this sub

[–]throwabcdaway4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Someone asked to dox me ? I dont even get the downvotes, its always better with some pictures and some guys have done it already in the past on this sub

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