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I read criticisms on ourselves saying we rely on confirmation bias and ignore other perspectives on gender dynamics

The recent observations of the sub where bad advice is given by juniors and incels etc seem to reflect this: it seems we zealously promote our ideas here and condemn any other views and dont contest the validity of our ways and instead just reframe scenarios in redpill lens.

I started uni and was taught critical thinking.

I believe in our ways but how are we not just a cult that believes the words of the sidebar as law instead of people striving to evolve and adapt to the changing social dynamics of our world?

Update: Have learned that I almost fell into a SJW pitfall ty all for pulling me out before I slipped. Main takeaway is RP is built on things fundamental to human nature that will never change. Also critical thinking is something to be developed over time not a on switch at uni


[–][deleted] 103 points104 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Trial and error. Practice what you preach, you'll soon realize if what you preach is bullshit or not.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

This is my take on it too

My beliefs are not 100 percent redpill but how do we distinguish confirmation bias from evidence of the truth?

[–]FearGarbhArMait36 points37 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Does "truth" matter? If what youre doing is working and your happy, keep doing it.

[–]1puck0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's fine. I do see an issue though when someone believes the good results they are getting are due to X so they tell people here to do X, when X may not actually be the reason they are getting good results.

[–]FearGarbhArMait0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That is why anecdotal evidence is taken with a grain of salt.

[–]LiteraIIyJesus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The thing is, the mere nature of TRP makes it so confirmation bias and the "truth" become one and the same until they fail.

The Red Pill is not gospel of any kind, it is merely a toolbox through which a man can become a better, more competitive sexual partner.

If, by correctly employing them, one comes to achieve higher sexual success than before, then the attitudes and practices preached here will become that man's "truth" by virtue of contrast.

In this vein, men who reject such teachings and yet find themselves sexually successful (however high or low they've set their definition of success at) will establish their preferred values as "the truth" over TRP.

Conversely, men who, although red-pill aware and attempting to put its tools to use fail to achieve sexual success, will accept a blue-pilled mindset as the truth. And men who, once red pill aware become also aware of their blue-pilled shortcomings, will eventually accept The Red Pill as truth.

The reality is that the teachings of TRP are attitudes that rely on cynicism and machiavellianism, without appealing to any sense of morality, only to personal responsibility and pragmatism. While logical and functional, they're not law. Each man is subject to themselves and their environment, and rely on both their own competence and that environment's circumstances. The meshing of these two agents will produce an outcome, and that very outcome will determine that man's "truth", as it has befit their anecdotal reality.

[–]spawnend3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

True , i realized that 70% approx of trp is correct . The other 30% very much rely on context , so aren’t completely wrong.

[–]ElegantCyclist-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We have become an echo chambers. The reaction to this intelligent but dissenting post is a sign of it.

There are others, too.

It also depends on where the guy is in his journey. Most guys on Reddit are beginners, and that shows in what they upvote.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed43 points44 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

That's the entire idea behind the meritocracy behind the tag structure here... you don't pay attention to the popular vote when the voters are all students.

Second, the redpill tools have been tested, they work, if you wish to question that, go do your own field tsts,

"What works" is a measure of utility, the gold standard.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

the redpill tools have been tested, they work

This is specifically what detractors refuse to understand. They characterize TRP as basically a cult that people are brainwashed into rather than guys sharing notes.

When I say things like "I was in 3 LTR's over almost 20 years and TRP helped me make sense of so many things" I'm totally ignored.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I've been fucking women since 1983.

My notch count is mid 200's.

I have decidedly nonvanilla sex.

Yet the chorus of teenage virgins that have it all figured out remains deafening.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

N = 1 for me was '86. Overall, only about 35, but....I've seen a thing or two.

I got enough karma and time to post here at PPD, which is built on the straw man of the average man.

I will say this....I kind of miss the accountability threads. I found TRP in '16 after a wonderful breakup with a smokeshow 20 years younger than me. After 4.5 years together, she got into grad school....I drove her out there, moved her in, backpacked the coast, one last night in a cottage overlooking the ocean, and got dropped off at the airport with nary a tear.

I wouldn't want to replicate it, not least because she suffered a major tragedy along the way, but it got me looking for ways to have sex with women without repeating the cycle of heartbreak (for me or them). This led me to TRP, Blackdragon & the Good Looking Loser.

I am a TRP success story, but it is incomplete. I've been under the barbell for over a year (not great numbers, but I'm a little dude in his mid 40's trying to not let anything go pop), my career is set, great bachelor pad, etc. And I know the secrets, from TRP to BD to GLL to even the purple Dr. Nerdlove....only see any particular woman once a week, minimize texting, have sex every time, don't do boyfriend shit, etc. Very consistent advice, and no woman in her right mind (LOL) is going to mistake the motivations of a mid 40's dude living right next to a college driving a 2-seater and devoting half his living room to an Olympic barbell set.

In the past week, I had a cute Asian woman at Pete's (a burrito joint with great margs) initiating kino on me, repeatedly assuring me that the dude she was there with was not her boyfriend, and laughing hard for nerdy statistics jokes.

Incels would give up a ball to have things so well lined up, and for the 1000th time I let it pass.

GLL was right, IMO. Game == Killer Instinct, nothing more, nothing less. That's why I miss the accountability threads, y'all would be berating me consistently for blowing such obvious set ups for no good reason at all.

I know I'm blathering on, so let me say one other thing.....of my time over at PPD, I did get one confirmation (yes, listen to what they do, not what they say, but this is consistent with that rule): Smarter women have minimum intelligence requirements, and guys who meet those requirements often don't spend much time under the barbell.

I'm like crack to smart bitches. Might as well take advantage of it while I can.

Off to swing dancing class. Putting your hands on bitches is one of the best hobbies ever. Still, hitting on girls there is like shitting where you eat, IMO. I went to a jazz club last night...I'm not good enough to grab a random bitch and make her look good, so when I get back from next week's travel, I'll try Tinder once more, with the cover of finding dancing/climbing (fuck) buddies.

[–]endertheend 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sorry, no one is reading all that.

[–]i-am-the-prize1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I read it. good for him. a nugget of gold, I can concur:

" Smarter women have minimum intelligence requirements, and guys who meet those requirements often don't spend much time under the barbell. "

so being a bulky/ripped guy at a tractor pull = you do not stand out.

being a fit/ripped guy at a book signing in a metro-big-city-area, and you will stand out.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How are ECs chosen? And who determines who qualifies?

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a "Respect the tag" article on the main page that explains it well.

The vanguard guys have been here, they created the beginning.

Senior members, vanguards, and endorsed guys can all bring a member to other's attention, and can award points to insightful viewpoints.

Contribute to the community, display frame, have a complex understanding of the intersexual dynamic 4d dance.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

The strategies I used before the RedPill didnt work, women didnt notice me, men didnt respect me and I was on the lowest hierarchy level of society. Things have changed now and I'm glad.

Apply other methods to your life then apply the RedPill, then come and tell us which one is better because personally for me, The RedPill is my truth, it changed my life.

[–]Aymane2210 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

How were you on the lowest level of hierarchy?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I was an unattractive and very shy kid with no money, status or game. I didnt even contribute anything to society. I was lower than a beta male.

[–]Aymane2210 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

How did you gain those things

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sidebar

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil39 points40 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

The only way anyone learns critical thinking at Uni is when they ask their teacher: "How can transvestites be normal if 40% kill themselves?" Then watch as the NPC programing malfunctions and the temper tantrums begin because you said a bad thing.

adapt to the changing social dynamics of our world is verbatim the normie conformie faggotry they teach at cuckaversties to turn young healthy men into submissive corperate drones.

In conclusion you learned nothing from the red pill. You are repeating cucked university talking points verbatim and you are absolutely fucked long term because their is no telling what ideologicaly cucked shit you are going to uncritically absorb next.

[–]Fresh_Pulse16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Excellent points.

OP took his intro Philosophy class and now believes that every idea is equally valuable.

our we we our our we our

Group ideology based thinking, check. If OP bothered to try implementing anything he read into his own life, he'd understand why certain responses are given frequently and why other responses are condemned. Some ideas are more valuable than others.

[–]Skuggasveinn0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Frequency does not equal value.

[–]Fresh_Pulse1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The ideas aren't valuable because they're repeated. They're repeated because they've demonstrated value.

[–]IFuckingHateAllergy4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I just had to fact check this and holy shit it's fucking true. More than 40% of them do kill themselves.

[–]bomko5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

this might be the kind of shit op talked about.
If people only stayed in tight groups they would only become deranged.
We have a tendency to stand out and in a place where theres noone challenging you people are becoming more and more extreme in their thinking just to stand out.
And thats whats on display here, insults, throwing in a few buzzwords and completely missing the point.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Not only am I challenging OP but iv also challenged pretty much everyone here Rollo and ECs included. Iv also unironicaly MarxPosted in the Red Pill and got upvoted. That's how I know with 100% certainty that the red pill is not an echo chamber.

University on the other hand is an echo chamber that believes dudes cutting off their cocks and pretending to be a woman is normal.

Ask yourself who is more extreme the Cock-cuters or the anti-cock cuters?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks GLO!

What are your own tips to critically thinking then?

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Read a shit ton of controversial books so that you are exposed to ideas outside of the overton window

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yup - case in point, I learned what the Overton Window even was after finding RP.

[–]morgandavies8345 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think we all shit on eachother way too much to be considered an Echo chamber, even the thought leaders within redpill have fights and fall out (which is not a RP way to deal with things but it does show a willingness to disagree with eachother)

[–]TotalPigeon5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

This is asktrp, you're going to get red pill advice. If someone wants advice from different perspectives, they should go and ask there. Because the answers you get here are generally controversial, it isn't a place that can allow them to be diluted down or our stuff will be lost in a sea of blue pill / incel nonsense, solely here to drown out our voices. You won't get the stark truth from many places, so this place - while occasionally harsh - is a gem for men around the world, if they can stomach it.

Your question has a major misunderstanding in it about the nature of trp. The fundamental human truths that we are trying to understand (and utilize) here aren't affected by changing social dynamics, because they are innate to humanity. They haven't changed in millennia, nor will they in millennia to come. You can definitely build on the truths we are establishing here, but nobody can change them (as much as they might wish otherwise). So, I guarantee a legitimate challenge on something in the sidebar would be accepted (by the guys who matter, anyway). After all, this place is about seeking the truth behind male - female interactions, so challenges to established ideas, additional insight and informed discussion is welcomed and encouraged. The caveat is that it needs to be legitimate, in good faith and on topic.

The sidebar isn't really a strict set of rules, rather it is mostly examples and theories. I see it as a form of shock therapy, to try to get guys to think about reality and unplug from the blue pill thought process that they have followed all their life. It encourages you to think critically about things you have likely held dear through your entire life, so you'd be mad to not think critically about it first. I don't think generally cults survive encouraging their members to a) think critically, b) buck the trend, c) excel at life (outside of the cult) so I'm not particularly concerned about being brainwashed.

With regards to opposing viewpoints, I think it's obvious when someone is approaching from a blue pill way of thinking, because their argument will be about behaviors to meet our current societal rules and norms, which is completely missing the point of this place. I don't generally think there is a lot of room for argument on what is and isn't true either - we know a lot of this stuff instinctively when we've jettisoned the blue pill mindset, if not the exact reasons why men/women act certain ways, at least what the consequences of certain behaviors are. So it isn't really plausible to debate positions that are wildly different - they can't really get off the ground here, because it's immediately obvious that it is some theoretical, idealized bs, usually trying to guilt trip us into certain behaviors. Why bother debating it? Point the submitter towards the sidebar and try to get them to unplug. They are welcome to discuss red pill ideas, but not to push their own from an uninformed perspective. If they aren't willing to accept that this is what this space is for, ban. No regrets.

This is why opposing views are condemned, as they are genuinely off topic and wasting our time. You aren't really learning anything - it's an attempt to brainwash / guilt trip you. We're not interested in hearing theories designed to benefit other subsections of society, we're looking for a) ideas on the nature of male / female interactions that feel correct / mesh with observations and b ) sexual strategies that work for men.

Finally, the reason to reframe things in a redpill lens is because it's generally a lower, more primal level of understanding, and more fundamentally true. Breaking it down into red pill gives you actionable life advice, which is generally applicable and useful in more circumstances than any specific advice that would be framed in the narrow context of the situation that actually happened.

I hope that clears up any concerns you might have.

[–]RP_COGuy1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The fundamental human truths that we are trying to understand (and utilize) here aren't affected by changing social dynamics, because they are innate to humanity. They haven't changed in millennia, nor will they in millennia to come.

This is what I saw as the fundamental flaw in OPs premise. He bought into the bullshit feminist ideas that everything always changes, evolving social norms, female empowerment, etc. At its core, TRP reveals that basic human nature doesn't change and what attracted females thousands of years ago still attracts them today, because it's hardcoded into our biology. That OP is trying to argue that this isn't true suggests that he's already bought into the neo feminist SJW propaganda. It also doesn't help that he thinks he was taught critical thinking in a college course. Probably some freshman orientation class that taught them how to believe whatever the hive mind says and couched it as "critical thinking."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You hit it on the head man thankfully all these comments pulled me back before i entered this pitfall

How would you develop critical thinking?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You completely cleared it up thanks my man

[–]TotalPigeon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No worries, glad to be able to share the message.

[–]Thinkingard9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Who cares? You either take action and do the work, or, you sit and theorize until the cows come home. I'm in my 30s, I too went through college and I've read 1000 books, I have a wife and kid, and my wife has many girlfriends. I have life experience as many guys here do. Guess what? Every single one of my wife's friends (and my wife, who wanted me to do a dance like MM for her) adores Magic Mike. I've seen the Facebook conversations, they all want hot guys (or even just hot guys attention), have disdain for their beta husbands, some have cheated or contemplated cheating, none of them hold each other accountable for bad decisions that could affect their families/kids, instead, they encourage each other. I've never seen them talk about anything other than their feelings. So, until you start seeing a ton of beta fucks and alpha bucks then I recommend you to stop caring about confirmation bias and critical thinking applied toward sexual social dynamics. Until you start seeing betas getting laid left and right via Tinder, who gives a fuck how critically you analyze hypergamy, or even lifting?

The point of redpill is to awaken nice guys, church guys, white knights, etc, to the fact that women are not inherently good people and are capable of destroying lives. This may seem weird, but there are a lot of guys who can't ever picture their girlfriend/mom/sister having a dirty mind and the will and desire to throw everything away in pursuit of those desires. Men are raised to think they are bad, ADHD, dangerous, potential rapists, goofy, stupid, betas, and that women are good, sugar and spice, virtuous (LOL), virginal, peaceful, loving, longsuffering, patience, kind, etc, etc. The redpill awakens men who have been brainwashed and can't understand why they are failing with women despite being the super nicest guy ever. Meanwhile, the psychopath kid from his school was getting laid as he hit puberty (I had a girlfriend once whose brother lost his virginity at like 9, even before puberty. This same kid, when he was like 12, I saw outside his sister's apartment with a girl from his school [that he was kicked out of] who would have been considered the pretty girl for that age group. They were together outside with her mother, who was a complete dipshit, because this kid was violent and punched the girl [in jest? but a hard punch] in front of the mother who just laughed and did nothing. This same kid eventually went to juvenile detention for raping toddlers. This kid, who raped toddlers and was convicted, got a slap on the wrist, he's been out for years, and from what I saw of his facebook, you know he's absolutely swimming in pussy, or possibly dick, he may be gay now looking at his facebook just now. This guy, who is a stain on society and civilization, is loved and adored by women, and has been since before his balls dropped.) What's the point in being nice guy doormat beta fool who rejects reality? Answer: none. And people are getting angry now that nice dudes are getting woke.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

TLDR? Jk nice post

Edit: 1,000 books is a lot - what’s your top 3 non-fiction?

[–]Thinkingard0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Top 3? Tough question bc there are different aspects of every book one can get a lot out of.

A Mencken Chestomathy by HL Mencken would be my top. No one has ever made me feel as dumb as Mencken has.

Recently I really enjoyed Lincoln’s Melancholy. A thorough and deep biography of Lincoln.

I also just finished Louis Lamours memoir which reinvigorated my love for reading. The man was fascinating and deserves more attention.

[–]Alt_Mayday2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

we promote our ideas here and condemn any other view

That's pretty much what 99% of subs do. You just have to take everything in life with a grain of salt. Never fall into the trap of becoming an "extremist" with any topic.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a lot of "we" and "our" there. Hmmm.

Submitted history: nothing but questions. Aka, value leech turned concern troll.

You are a funny archetype. Sit around and derive value from something, then make crass observations about the future value of the same thing you have contributed nothing to and have zero say in its future direction.

What a weird way to seek attention!

[–]TigerXtrm3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sort of yes, sort of no. I feel like I can be critical of TRP without people immediately lunging at my throat. I've gone against the essays of 'endorsed' contributors here on Reddit and found a surprising amount of support in my criticisms.

On the flip side there are also plenty of regulars who will chant the same shit over and over again without a second thought.

Overall I wouldn't say TRP is an echo chamber, certainly not to the same extent as the blue end of the spectrum, but people can certainly be stuck in their ways for better or for worse.

End of the day critical thinking is healthy. So never stop that, and never stop asking critical questions.

[–]SimplyFishOil1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It seems so. I used to frequent this sub and give advice to lots of younger guys, yet I'd get downvoted if I wasn't funny in what I said, or I'd give advice that wasn't "go to the gym and get ripped, have plates, fuck as many girls as you can, ect."

After a while I just gave up. I'll still visit here every once in a while, but most of the time someone comes for actual advice, I'd get drowned out by the dummies who take TRP to the extreme, and it's bad advice most of the time.

[–]F_Dingo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We’re not an echo chamber. This subreddit and the main one is full of trial, error, trial, error, then mastery. We also aren’t putting our ideas up for debate, it’s a take it or leave it kind of thing. Most people tend to take it because what they see here has been witnessed in their own lives an interactions. An inconvenient truth is being sold here and the ways to confront that truth.

I started uni and was taught critical thinking.

Stop right there. Critical thinking is trait acquired over many years, not in a semester long class from a shitty, overpriced textbook.

[–]RivenHalf1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Spoiler Alert: EVERYTHING is an echo chamber

It's up to choose to pick your echos

[–]SalporinRP1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty much any idealogical community is an echo chamber to some extent.

[–]Nfuckedmeup1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hard next. GFTOW. Beta.

[–]Zero-Milk1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reddit itself is, by its very nature thanks to the karma system, an echo chamber. But in all honesty, I think we try more than most to be realistic about our expectations from life and from our personal interactions by actively trying to identify and eliminate popular delusions from our lives. I think that's what keeps a lot of red pilled men out of trouble. Echo chamber or not, what we're doing has been highly successful at giving our fellow men the tools they need to live happier, more productive lives.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The whole premise of TRP is to use evidence and to follow the truth regardless of how uncomfortable or inconvenient it may be.

It’s true that some people will shutdown or shit on you for alternative viewpoints that they consider immutable... but if you read quality posts or the recommended reading in the wide bar, I’d say that’s all very keenly and clearly presented with fact based information... and if not facts, (because human psychology is of course often impossible to get clear answers) then the age old “watch what they do, not what they say” seems to work pretty well when forming a hypothesis

ALSO

Most people here always suggest you should run your own personal experiments and see for your self.

[–]deathhandmachiavelli3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No, I disagree with things here all the time.

Most of my posts here are argument, not agreement.

I vehemently disagree with the "find a hobby" advice that is constantly pushed.

I disagree with the "you need a greater purpose, women love men with purpose in their lives"

I disagree with the "work on yourself FIRST"

I disagree with the belief that achieving money and success will make you a success with women.

Its not an echo chamber as far as I am concerned, ideas are developed and questioned on a constant basis.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Can I ask you then, what would be a list of things or guideline you would say to a new guy to do?

[–]deathhandmachiavelli5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Can I ask you then, what would be a list of things or guideline you would say to a new guy to do?

Attitude, social intelligence, charisma, psychology and BALLS are the most useful tools to get women. Those are the first tier traits to be successful with women. I would throw looks and body in there as well.

Having hobbies, making money, and having a special purpose are second tier. They help, but aren't a pre-requisite to go out there and start hooking up. I know plenty of guys with purpose, hobbies, and money who are abject losers with women.

Always strive to be successful in all aspects of life, but as a new guy, GET OUT THERE and develop the first tier traits.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are always idiots. People take the patterns of behavior we see and try to turn it into a religion or something. Nope. It's AWALT not AWAALT (all women are always like that).

In one sense, the term "red pill" is bad because the Matrix is completely fictional and as such is turned up to 11 the whole time. Life is not like that. Some younger folks exchange one set of blinders for another. Mainly, they just want to be blind to the harshness of life.

[–]0io-1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you even lift?

[–]Thorondor_Rising2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is textbook concern trolling.

Good luck with your trip to uni. You seem to be rather malleable. Make sure you take a double dose of diversity and sociology classes.

[–]Thizzlebot0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Once you start applying shit you easily see who are armchair commanders here

[–]Gainznsuch0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes

[–]RevolutionaryPea70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's an example of a perspective on gender dynamics that gets ignored?

[–]Siyuen_Tea0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

A science based red pill would be nice. This place slowly seeps into black pill.

Rollo tonasi was one of the most notable to take a genuine scientific approach to it. I think mystery's method worked with that in mind. A breakdown of what, when and why. The problem is always not seeing the full picture. He only knows his circumstance as I only know mine. The internal workings vs what's actually said vary greatly. This is not just for women but men too.

You'll see the most popular comments usually come off as they hate women. They used to say red pill follows the 7 stages of grief. Not everyone in grief makes it to the acceptance stage.

Your best bet is to be out there. Looking at seduction social skills and red pill. The truth should be somewhere in the common grounds.

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rollo's was an observational (praxeology) view. For a psych view from dataset interviews of direct patients (ie: clinician) check out No More Mr. Nice Guy and When I say Know I Fell Guilty. These books will move you and have you reflect like few others, and be based on real world first person accounts from the professionals that worked with them and treated them, and developed programs for their improvement.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K180 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So what are you asking? Do we think critically, and can RP principles be taken as truths? Should we be critically comparing them to other theory?

Already done. Blue pill doesn't work. RedPill does. As reported by the many many many men who stop thinking and put into action.

It works, undoubtedly. You can take the long road of finding a bunch of other theories and putting into play.

Or you can develop a strong frame, approach women, treat em like they don't matter and get your dick wet.

I know what path I'm on.

[–]Sickem_roy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ve been reading RP since ‘14 I think. I believe in everything here, written in the sidebar “bible” . It’s a positive masculine environment. One of the few sanctuaries for men to discuss sexual strategy. You do the shit that your mom and your aunt tell you to do thinking some girl will love you indiscriminately. I’ve been separated from my father since I can remember; and have been surrounded primarily by female influences. Men need men, not just for sexual advice...Life, I’m thankful for TRP. Some of you are cunts though, but some of you are also cunts with solid advice. recently I’ve stopped coming to the ATRP forums because I do feel like some shitty and contradictory advice has been floating around. I’ve been sticking to the sidebar and main sub for a good dose of RP.

[–]ErectileDistention[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The danger of the SJW movement is that they clad themselves in the robes of science and rationality while actually being a purely political movement. Social justice is all about power and there is no bigger power than to capture and control what ideas are considered acceptable or not. So it's no longer a political issue, it's an issue of 'values'.

I read criticisms on ourselves saying we rely on confirmation bias and ignore other perspectives on gender dynamics

Of course you had much success discussing these issues from a different perspective than the SJW one in uni I surmise?

...instead just reframe scenarios in redpill lens.

That's the whole point of the sub.

I started uni and was taught critical thinking.

Incredible, they can do that in a semester now!?

.. instead of people striving to evolve and adapt to the changing social dynamics of our world?

That's exactly what we are doing. TRP is a philosophical movement concentrated on how to succeed in the modern sexual market place as a man. It is not value based or moralizing, but a rather a practical approach based on trail and error.

[–]onionknightofknee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

all subreddits suffer from this including this one.

it's important we challenge and scrutinize ideas.

There is some research evidence of alpha bucks, beta fucks i've posted. I think we haven't defined alpha vs beta clearly and are confused.

higher powered career who's stressed out all the time and is physically weak because of it (think end term Obama) is undeniably alpha. they have real power

vs

beta pool cleaner who sleeps 10 hours a day and you can tell is not stressed out. but is physically fit.

humans lizard brains controls more than we like to admit. a women lizard brain might prefer the pool guys vs obama becaus it's not tuned for modern society. Neither is ours.

[–]_Last_Man_Standing_-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes... there is an echo chamber and even censorship of new ideas.
Some time ago I posted in the main sub an "controversial" post because I used the word "love".
First few people liked my post and the discussion started.
10 minutes later the post was banned.

Don't get me wrong. RP truths are still true.
But yeah... there's no further development and new ideas are being rejected.

I guess humans just love dogma.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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