Don't fall for "natural".

Lemminger · 2019-09-10T19:36:38+00:00

Life is not about finding yourself. You were born with yourself - life is about building yourself.

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People don't like perfect people or absolute confidence. They like well managed insecurities.

Downvote me if I'm wrong, I just like those two saying myself.

mintyfreshbtw · 2019-09-10T19:42:43+00:00

I don’t know if I see femininity as unnatural. To be honest, learning that being feminine and wanting to be a nurturer and supporter rather an ambitious career woman has felt much more freeing and ‘natural’ than whatever those around me used to tell me to do. I understand that for some women, they don’t want to take on that role and don’t feel the same urges and that’s completely fine but for me, it does feel more natural than the alternative of climbing the corporate ladder or being someone’s boss.

However, the difficulty with women who don’t want to be feminine is that they have to tell themselves that they are not ‘naturally feminine’ like other women. Femininity is obviously linked to being a woman - it is difficult to continue observing and learning about red pill philosophy that does not have a place for them as women. One of my friends is like this and when she realised she didn’t want that nurturer role red pill says women should innately want, she could not continue following that idea insinuating that she was less of a woman for being aromantic and asexual, and not wanting children.

LadySylwia · 2019-09-10T21:41:31+00:00

When you shave your legs, you are not just imitating a young, healthy, high-estrogen girl's pale, fine, and less-visible leg hair

Thick, visible leg hair is a secondary sex characteristic, an indicator that a woman has gone through puberty and is probably fertile. So your argument makes little sense from an evolutionary point of view.

By the way, it's also been scientifically demonstrated that armpit hair and pubic hair carries scent ID, and that a human's individual body odor plays a role in sexual selection, and therefore any resultant sexual pleasure and health of eventual offspring. Yet we are pressured to remove these and you probably call that "red pill" as well - instead of suggesting that men should take a red pill about what mature female sexuality naturally looks, tastes and smells like.

Sex is natural. Our sexual responses were programmed naturally. That's the whole point of the red pill, in contrast to the blue pill which tries to downplay or outright deny the importance of biology in the context of human sexuality.

A given culture's popular modifications to sexual presentation and the sex act itself should not be mistaken for human universals. I would appreciate if we could separate the concept of being "redpilled" from what it means to successfully participate in Western culture today, because the two are not the same.

[deleted] · 2019-09-10T20:22:54+00:00

One of the things I have told every doula client I have ever had is that natural doesn't mean easy. Even if we have natural tendencies, that doesn't mean following them is easy. Breastfeeding is natural, but it still takes time to learn how to do it. It is still challenging and frustrating at times. Medication free child birth is also natural. It hurts like hell for the vast majority of women who choose it. Even with medications to ease pain, pregnancy and child birth are uncomfortable and require some effort invested in learning about them for most women...yet they are totally natural processes. I agree with the points you made about how we basically strive to overcome nature, but I just want to add that even when nature is positive (i.e. breastfeeding has some benefits over man made alternatives), that doesn't mean following the natural course will be easy.

stevierose789 · 2019-09-10T23:54:14+00:00

I am the student in the back of the class of RP theory and I am a little confused. I have read so much here about AWALT and it is a woman’s nature to be: hypergamous, the most responsible teenager in the house, incapable of unconditional love for her man, and irrational (hamstering away her misbehavior) These are considered truths. Are you saying that these traits are a biological where as femininity is not?

scaredadvice · 2019-09-10T18:48:32+00:00

Love this. Thank youuuuu!

Zegiknie · 2019-09-11T07:57:17+00:00

If something doesn't come naturally, that means it takes effort. And if something takes effort, you had best make sure that effort is actually worthwhile.

You forgot to mention that. Striving blindly is stupid.

rthayerf · 2019-09-11T10:58:55+00:00

You're collapsing two realities on top of each other and confusing terms. In one sense, yes, nature is the set of all things which are subject to the laws of nature, of which humanity has partially superseded. On the other hand, it means the essential properties and causes of individual things. Nature is the property or set of properties that make an entity of substance what it fundamentally is.

When people talk about doing what is "natural" for women, they're likely talking about the latter. Tend towards the direction that is naturally human, or naturally female. While there is no hard and fast list, I'd say that most people would agree that that means submissive, nurturing, thoughtful, loyal, patient and kind.

NoctaeBride · 2019-09-10T20:33:12+00:00

I think the reason why people fall for this is because the very essence of reaching an ideal representation of your character is to make it look like it's natural. Which is much, much, much harder to achieve than the people who do that successfully will let you believe!

nurglingshaman · 2019-09-11T09:08:43+00:00

Being pregnant as young as 11 is not 'natural' dying at 35 is not 'natural', it happens, but it isn't the norm in past societies. I feel like anybody wanting to make a comment on the nature of natural out to know what is or isn't such.

life-space · 2019-09-10T21:22:06+00:00

Nice! People really don't consider the naturalistic fallacy enough.

bchlladyfrog · 2019-09-10T18:59:01+00:00

Thank you! I was waiting for your input and now it hit me like an incoming train. Better roll them sleeves up, I guess.

MoDuReddit · 2019-09-10T19:24:49+00:00

Humans are part of Nature. Everything humans do is Natural, from picking your nose to launching rockets to Mars.

SolarTortality · 2019-09-13T17:57:51+00:00

Everything we do is natural because we humans are a product of nature.

dingusfunk · 2019-10-08T20:59:56+00:00

Feminists will rant about how armpit hair is 'natural' while simultaneously suggesting estrogen pills

shitposterkatakuri · 2019-09-10T20:37:02+00:00

Great post

DeannaDoesDallas · 2019-09-14T20:18:09+00:00

It’s work that I love!

Nothing feels better than when a man gives me a desirous look!

[deleted] · 2019-09-11T00:54:20+00:00

This was actually inspiring :) Thank you!

peacocktoast · 2019-09-10T20:31:54+00:00

The problem this logic is that good health and fertility are natural, and health and fertility are often perceived as beautiful by the opposite sex. Now, perfect health may not come "naturally" to everyone, which is why we wear makeup, style our hair and workout.

IdealestOfIdeals · 2019-09-12T18:40:08+00:00

Wow, I guess you’re right. We should live in a society worse for us with temporary benefits