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Just discovered trp and this just happened. Not sure if it belongs here but thought id share it. Im hanging out with my girlfriend when i get a text message from an ex. My phone is linked on bluetooth to my car so my gf saw the number. Long story short she freaks out completely. Shes punching me, shes slamming the car window she is wilding out.

I decide to drive her home in hopes that she will get out but shes not going anywhere. I sit there for 5 minutes taking the wrath of her fury and decide to drive to the local police station and have them figure it out. Luckily its only 3 minutes away and i cant even describe what happened on the ride there im just glad i didnt crash.

I park the car and run inside before my gf can react. I get inside the lobby and explain my situation to the male officer working there. I tell him i didnt touch her, i drove her home she would not get out and all the crazy shit. I inform him that shes still in the car and i need advice on what to do. Right at that moment she comes walking in. she cusses me out, calls me a coward for going to the cops and says shes walking home. The officer looks at me and says "dude she is PISSED if you live toguether you better get home before she does". . . Thats it. He doesnt try to stop her, he doesnt question her, he doesnt even ask if i want to press chargers for her assaulting me. She just gets to walk away looking like a crazy bitch. I guarantee if a woman had ran in roles reversed then the bpyfriend walks in, he would have been on the ground getting arrested.


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[–]youcantdenythat796 points797 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Now you have two exs you mean. Don't put up with crazy shit from a girl. Ghost this bitch.

[–]THEdirtyDotterFUCKr149 points150 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

the second wisest thing my father taught me was "don't fuck crazy, but if you do, NEVER date crazy"

[–]llama_moth2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It might be off topic, but what was the wisest thing he taught you?

[–]THEdirtyDotterFUCKr6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Women were born with a pussy, they don't want another"

[–]Zech4riah42 points43 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because OP has just found TRP, he will not probably next her - even tho he really should. That shit will get worse over time.

[–]Laika_give_a_fuck181 points182 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To be fair when you said she started freaking out over a text, that's a huuuge red flag. When she started hitting you that's the end.
If the roles were reversed.. well you know
Just ghost her

[–]EggOfDelusion229 points230 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You need to say the magic words that you want to press charges. You are completely right though, but the cop was just being lazy. Domestic disputes are he said she said garbage. Did you have any marks? No marks means you can’t prove anything.

Actually this might have been the best thing for you. If they got involved she could have made up anything and you might have been going to jail instead.

[–]SiliconeGiant11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The magic words lmao. Sad but true.

[–]Nergaal180 points181 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Dude NEVER try to involve the police into domestic issues. If things escalate, chances are somebody has to be found guilty, and the guy is usually the default aggressor. Record things, like her going crazy at you. And save it for when the police might come to arrest you.

If your gf went crazy at you in front of a police officer, you have no idea how little filter she has, and have no idea how much is she willing to escalate things. NEVER. STICK. YOUR. DICK. IN. CRAZY.

[–]good_guy_submitter90 points91 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

never stick your dick in crazy

That would require giving up sex.

[–]TheRealBrotherLouie38 points39 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Sex is not worth giving away your mental well-being and your peace

[–]Giant-__-Otter37 points38 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Single, hot or sane. Choose two.

[–]schwaxpl28 points29 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well I choose hot and sane ... ?

[–]mystikcal18 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

then you'll get shot by her husband

[–]5Imperator_Red-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

These MGTOWs will be the death of us.

[–]russian_nigger61 points62 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

true story: back in 2013, my homie was at a red light in his car. a car with two black bitches pulls up and they engage him in some shit talk. they go back and forth, he flips em off and books as the light turned green. the bitches followed him to his house. he quickly ran inside thinking they wouldn't see which house he went into, but they did. so he went outside, got in the girl's face and told her to stay the fuck away from his house. then he got in the car and left. the bitch calls the cops saying my boy put a gun to her head lol. he never even owned a gun. my boy comes back like an hour later thinking they are gone. cops drag him out of the car, rip up his car seats searching for the supposed gun, never find anything. the cops arrest him ANYWAY and book him for an assault with a deadly weapon (which never was found). no evidence except the word of some trashbag ghetto bitch. homebody spent almost 7 months in the county awaiting trial which of course he beat. i told him to sue the police dept and the city and the fucking DA. but he just moved back to his home state and became a preacher. fucking nuts.

[–]rorrr33 points34 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

His biggest mistake: not recording any of this shit.

[–]Field_Of_View6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

To be fair when there are weird strangers at your house threatening you his reaction doesn't seem plausible. Either you're genuinely intimidated and you call the cops or you stay and protect your home. Driving away for an arbitrary amount of time, then returning doesn't seem like a natural reaction. That's probably why the cops didn't believe him. Who leaves his house unprotected with threatening strangers around? Who is intimidated enough to drive away but doesn't call the police?

[–]russian_nigger1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

you do make a good point, however the guy is pretty awkward in general so he just felt to do that for some reason. he told me during visitation that he just wanted to leave the place so they would leave. it made perfect sense to him at the time. i've done weird shit under stress too.

[–]alecesne4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sue the accusers for slander and abuse of the legal process?-

[–]Reformed652 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The police department needs to justify their salary somehow.

[–]russian_nigger2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah, there were cops with M16's and full gear on his block when he pulled up and a helicopter circling above the house. fucking insane.

[–]7GreatOne11120 points121 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Police aint your friend, playboy.

[–]5ubstanc387 points88 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As to the end part unfortunate, but true. The bigger picture is there.

[–]cracksniffer666128 points129 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

It's crazy when one day you wake up, and realize 90% of men are fucking drones, marching towards pussy and their inevitable death. No self-awareness, and no self respect. That's the only reason women are monsters nowadays. Us.

[–]good_guy_submitter64 points65 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The state uses women as a tool and excuse to exercise power over men.

Like puppet masters dangling idiot little puppets. The government is not the friend of men, nor women either, women are just the prized tools of the trade so of course it protects them.

[–]Noitrasama27 points28 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You guys are fucked. In Africa she wouldn't play that shit. If I wanted the police would lock her ass up. Most likely we men don't press charges over such.we handle our shit.

[–]Bear-With-Bit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Surprise surprise, being weak is not good.

[–]feministdunce0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We also gave them rights after millions of years of civilization did everything they could to stop that from happening. They did it for a reason

[–]Hamlet_Prime46 points47 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes I wonder if people like this cater to women because we know they are physically weaker etc, like a child being mad at you or a sinking ship and letting the cripple get off before you do.

Other times I think most people innately want to be beta and undervalue themselves.

I’m not sure but I had to bring this up here because the timing was perfect

[–]alecesne25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The vitality of a society it determined by the quality of its uteruses.

If you have a lot of healthy wombs, the population grows.

If you have a lot of unhealthy wombs, it shrinks.

Men innately want to protect women.

[–]deathhandmachiavelli16 points17 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

No, that's not the reason.

Society and individuals just like females better than males.

[–]3SKRedPill18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is again biology at work. Children, then women, then men (oh, well not quite, you're probably expected to fight back anyway).

[–]gabeangelo4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's neither the reason, it's because as a MAN you are physically and mentally stronger and should be able to handle a woman. Woman are the equvalent of kids, if an adult can't deal with them, they are regarded as weak and useless and frowned upon.

[–]deathhandmachiavelli0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

it's because as a MAN you are physically and mentally stronger

You are coping.

Society and individuals just like women better.

[–]gabeangelo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, it does. But that's a very simplistic reason. The other one is regarding the expectation set on us.

If you go and tell your friends your kid/gf beat you up, you would get laughed at and bullied into oblivion.

[–]Dunc0ne4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Beta: Do things for others who don't want to or believe they can do things for themselves, because Mr//Mrs.Beta doesn't want to do things for themselves and wants to believe the world is a place where they are a victim of circumstance and can pawn their responsibility for themselves off for 'good deeds.'

Alpha: Takes responsibility for self. Owns circumstances, regardless of what they are. Owns suffering as a tool for growth(All suffering, ever). Puts one step in front of the other, only looks backwards in so far as the past can be a tool for self-improvement.

[–]zacdesai1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a decent maxim to live by

[–]Pokeylaw1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is what I've been trying to teach/ just tell my friends without all the beta alpha wording. At some point you just gotta leave people behind. It blows

[–]considerthis21520 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

3 weeks ago i was engaged to a woman who pulled something similar to this. Refused to acknowledge the signs until it was almost too late. I ended the engagement 2 weeks before the wedding. Im now on the coast in Croatia trying to rebuild. She knows exactly what she is doing, dont put up with it

[–]inertargongas 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

You just saved yourself so much suffering that it's difficult to even imagine. Congrats!

[–]3SKRedPill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Take a bow - you cannot imagine right now just how much suffering you saved yourself from.

[–]Milk_moustache12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I got a text from my ex this morning as my gf and I were watching a video on my phone, I got annoyed as I swiped up the message and said “urgh”

I looked over at my girlfriend who then looks at me and gives me a kiss on the cheek.

There’s a different reaction for you to compare to

[–]1Sir_Distic105 points106 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

The cops will ALWAYS take a female's side. They are some of the biggest and most dangerous white knights. Keep in mind that they deal with a lot of domestic abuse where the man did beat her. So they are biased and rightfully so. But they are never going to be on your side. Even when presented with proof.

[–]alecesne52 points53 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Years ago, when I was ignorant, I experienced something like this. She broke a window, threw books, hit me in the head. I held her wrist to stop an attack. Called the cops after she broke my glasses.

She claimed I hurt her wrist.

They arrested both of us.

Power. That’s it.

[–]the_truth_is_asshole7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

they arrested both of you until they could figure out what's going on. two conflicting stories and they have to do their job.

an arrest isn't a guilty verdict.

[–]alecesne3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

1

As a question of law, the officers aren't in the wrong. Cross-complaints of domestic violence, coupled with a complaint and denial of malicious property damage. The municipality (in a Midwestern town) had a policy of mandatory arrest for domestic violence calls, even if the alleged victim later retracts the accusation. And on paper, if they went home after hearing her say "he twisted my arm", and the next day she showed up in a hospital with a broken wrist, they'd be on the hook.

We live in a society where the state is expected to come into your house pretty aggressively. We've traded the risk of a false positive heavily against the risk of a false negative, by judging the prospect of any further domestic violence as being worse than any unnecessary arrest. Not everwhere is like that. I've lived abroad in a couple of different countries. There are plenty of places where the officers would say "I see no evidence of excessive bodily harm here, you two need to sort your own shit out" and leave because nobody was using a true weapon.

This was about 6 months into my marriage. It was a Friday night, so we got the whole weekend to think and read whatever second hand books were in the local detention facility. But come Monday, she "repented" and swore it would never happen again. And being 100% blue-pilled at that time, I drank that piss like it was wine.

2

To all the young bucks out there, keep your eyes open. When you wear rose colored glasses, you'll miss the red flags. I was good about screening for the classic ones: she doesn't smoke, rarely drank (maybe half a glass of wine on a holiday), low n-count, was petite, and was very smart. But holy shit hid she hide a lot of family shit. I'd been brought up to be accepting and not judge people on that shit, to not search for it. Well, that's a good way to end up with a domineering narcissistic and frequently abusive wife.

3

You grow up knowing and believing that you are able to defend yourself. That you have dignity and power. But one day you discovery that society can turn that on on it's head. If I tried one tenth of the shit she pulled that first year, I'd be in jail right now. That isn't an exaggeration.

Honestly, it was this incident that set me off onto the internet to discover the Red Pill. It wasn't the last, and I'm still learning.

4

A lot of guys post long reports here because they want to boast about how they've "figured it all out". I can't boast that. I'll start working out, and then the job becomes demanding and I fall out of the routine. Establish frame for a few months, and then something happens and it cracks.

The only thing in this world you can control is yourself. That's square 1.

For guys out there with a partner who has a mental health problem (even if undiagnosed), remember that you've got to be strong. If I didn't have a child, I'd have ended this years ago. I know a lot of guys would. I could be out there slaying it. But I feel like if I don't stay in my daughter's life as a model of healthy masculinity, she'll become another wayward young woman of the sort you all know who learns nothing but entitlement and contempt from a single mother.

5

There are a lot of guys over in Married Red Pill who walk the line between being a strong father and an ATM. Well, well life, hardship, freedom, and the choice to be authentic has been thrust on each and every one of us.

When the next depression or war rolls around, and things get hard, its you who everyone will look to. They'll want you to die for them, and if you live, to build for them. But that's what men have always done. Build your foundations, and know that even in an era of hedonism and ingratitude, tomorrow is the judge of today, and you are responsible for every day of your life.

[–]Psynaut2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

an arrest isn't a guilty verdict.

No, but you do have to disclose it and explain it when you apply for your Trusted Traveler status, or an SBA loan, or even, iirc, a series 6, 63, 7 etc license. There are probably other situations I don't know about. But, even an arrest for mistaken identity is held against you by the government today.

[–]TheGreatConst2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This never happens when it is the guy who was the aggressor. Never. They only arrest both parties when man is a victim.

[–]reluctantly_red31 points32 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The cops will ALWAYS take a female's side.

That's starting to change. I'm getting more female DV clients. But cops still suck at determining who is the primary aggressor.

[–]LandoChronus27 points28 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They don't suck at it. Sucking implies that they're trying to do it and failing.

They don't try to figure out if the girl is responsible or started it. It's not even that they don't care. They can't believe the girl would be at fault because they're programmed to believe girls are flawless and innocent.

[–]reluctantly_red13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Actually cops are arresting way more women for domestic violence these days. However, its been my experience that in many of these cases (like with many male arrests) they hooked the wrong person.

[–]VoxVirilis2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Don't attribute to malice, that which can be attributed to incompetence."

If there's one thing you can count on from the cops, its incompetence.

[–]cdh100314 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

'Biased and rightfully so'? At least 40% of DV cases are women attacking men. It is not the job of the police to presume or determine guilt; that's for the courts.

Better to say that the whole criminal justice system is, sadly, biased in favour of women.

[–]QueenSlapFight45 points46 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

they are biased and rightfully so

No, they're not. Women attack men way more than the other way around. Quit blowing smoke out your ass and perpetuating the bullshit.

[–]3SKRedPill10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And good for you that you broke up with her - this one is like my own ex (BPD case) - car trips were a nightmare whether it was Uber or our own. She might want to get back though, so get her replaced asap.

[–]traumatix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Same over here, ex was also BPD.. Car trips were, at best, a fucking nightmare.

[–]BlackjointnerD18 points19 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

When my girlfriend did this I left her on the side of the road in the snow and blocked all communication from her for two days

[–]rorrr5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Guys, don't do that. Leaving a person in a dangerous situation is likely a crime in the US and in Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue

[–]BlackjointnerD8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You might be right but I personally dont care....when a girl decides to scream and yell in your face, trash your car, verbally assault and borderline get physical with you while your driving...which could put you both in danger...when your just trying to be cool and drop her off because you guys havent been getting along all night but she wants to make threats on my freedom....yeah I would do it again in a heart beat...i took the abuse for a couple hours and said fuck it and threw her purse out the window and when she got out the car i drove off..bitches think they invincible because they have a vagina

[–]inertargongas 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

said fuck it and threw her purse out the window and when she got out the car i drove off

This was sheer tactical genius and I'll never forget it. Red pill lifeprotip right there lol

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

my feelings about this story can be best described using the following emoji: 😡😡😡😡😡

what ended up happening?

[–]Newacc13 1 points [recovered]  (12 children) | Copy Link

She called me right away saying she could not belive i had gone to the cops. She said she was hurt that i did that, i explained that my ex randomly texted me. We really dont talk it was just out of the blue and she apologized for reacting like that. I broke up with her and luckily we dont live toguether

[–]RealMcGonzo119 points120 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I broke up with her and luckily we dont live toguether

Bingo. You're further along than that poor cop.

[–]EPGMDAWG54 points55 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Make sure you dont go back and learn from this.

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

good call, it's a shame we live in a situation where she can physically attack you and you don't have the right to give it back to her.

i BET you if girls knew a guy could hit back then a lot of girls would stop doing that shit REAL quick.

[–]good_guy_submitter7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There are still plenty of guys that do.

[–]Moxiecodone18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but she still knows she has the police squad and government on her side. That’s literally a nation’s resources backing your girl while it’s just you. That’s the picture.

[–]rorrr6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I saw girls hit guys many times. I'm yet to see a guy hit a girl. That never happens. You see that kind of stories in the news, because it's so rare.

[–]TBtgoat6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm proud of you for respecting yourself bro. Good choice to leave crazy. Don't let anybody else tell you different

[–]Reformed650 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

> she could not belive i had gone to the cops.

"NO WHY YOU TOLD THE TEACHER!! We're not fwends, anymore!!!" *makes thumbs down expression*

[–]SoulRedemption0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Keep an eye out for things she might sabotage, if this happened very recently. Sometimes without "closure" they will want revenge

[–]KingOfPomerania8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If my girlfirend even suggested she'd punch me, her ass would be dumped before you could click your fingers. NEVER take this shit from a woman (or anyone for that matter)!

[–]BrownGummyBear2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

After my ex did it once I told her I’d dump her ass if she tried to do so again, never came close to doing it again. Once you’ve disrespected the way OP there’s no going back, OPs girl knows she can disrespect him like this again in the future. Honestly OP, dump her while you can

[–]jpfrana6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This makes me wonder just how many "wife-beaters" are women.

[–]Dontwriteher1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lesbian couples are known to have the highest rates of DV.

[–]ModernSchizoid5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's just the way society is today. It isn't right, but it is what it is. We're still some ways off from true neutrality in such matters.

Dude (good_guy_submitter) who says that the state uses women to control men is bang on target. It's not just the state, it's businesses through advertising, families under the guise of unity. The government does it under the guise of bullshit concepts like "welfare" and "equality"...and their intentions ultimately have nothing to do with either.

[–]wanderer7797 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is common knowledge around here, but for newcomers who are unaware: there is evidence women are actually more violent than men

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/

despite that, most jurisdictions still use the duluth model for domestic violence intervention, which treats men as abusers and women as victims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model

[–]alecesne0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's also about who you're violent towards.

Women tend to be in-group violent, towards spouses and children.

Men tend to be out-group violent, towards rivals and strangers.

In group is more likely to conceal and forgive, out group is more likely to aggregate and resist.

Human nature.

[–]largepaycheckaddict5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Now you have learned that cops are not your friend. You’re lucky you didn’t get yourself arrested here. While it’s important to respect cops, most of them are dumb as bricks and on a power trip.

[–]toplelkekfag2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You need some Black Phillip show man . Good luck

[–]tekn0_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably beige Phillip show than black Phillip

[–]dominicthetiger4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I would've slapped her harder than davie504

[–]_do_not_read_this_8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow. A lazy cop who was also a dickhead.

Probably the only one out there.

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[–]Malactha5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What did you expect him o do? Going to the police station was a good choice, got her out of the car and the incident on record.

[–]redbarone1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The cop was probably wondering why you didn't slap her to calm her nerves a little.

[–]TheWanderer0071 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol Bpd as fuck. As someone who narrowly evaded a felony charge when my ex called the cops and told them I choked her (all I did was throw her on the bed after she jumped on me, preventing me from leaving during an argument).

Crazy/BPD women aren't called crazy just for fun. Hard next, even though I know you won't. That's ok though, just don't do anything stupid like hit her or kill yourself once she manipulation and gas lighting ramps up and maybe you might come out the other side a stronger man.

[–]3chazthundergut1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your bitch is right. Man up and handle your woman yourself. Shouldve slammed on the brakes the moment she hit you and kicked her goofy ass out.

[–]ricoue3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is why it used to be okay to beat women until we as a race cucked out and let women dictate our laws to us.

[–]geo_gan2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. Women’s sociopathic, irrational behaviour is tolerated and protected by cucks and white Knight big brother society now. In ancient times, she would get the shit kicked out of her for behaving like that with no big brother surrogate Daddy society to protect her cunt behaviour.

[–]Screenwatch230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Figured I'd add this. 40% of police offers have been charged with domestic abuse. It's something absurd like that. All white knights are doing so to cover their own ass because they've done something fucked up. parroting the other people here that coos are the biggest white knights because they beat their spouse.

[–]ArraTonks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Feel sorry for you man. Honestly run away from crazy women....pussy is not worth your mental health and sanity. For some reason all the crazy one in my life happen to be latinas also.

[–]tinysackbigshaft0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just slap her the fuck up next time

[–]yomo860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Run. Do not walk, run. Never look back. This is the kind of woman false accusations and murder attempts are made of.

[–]gabrieljohnpersonal0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only a puss would care, going to the cops because a woman hit you? Thats soft do people here actually support that?

[–]feministdunce0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude, if my girl ever laid a finger on me aggressively... the relationship would instantly be over. You talking about this like it's normal makes me think you are scraping the bottom of the barrel, or a cuck

[–]ngyuhnang0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don’t stick your dick in crazy, man

[–]Hace_XVIII-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Getting mad over a text is one thing ( it’s still a red flag) but getting mad enough to the point of assault is automatic dealbreaker

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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