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So I've been lurking on this subreddit for a couple years now. It has been an uphill battle to say the lease but I digress. Now, I would describe myself as a below average dude. I'm 34 years old, I'm balding (losing hair since age 19), I'm about 5'6 and I weigh a about 200 pounds. I have a square face with oversized cheeks, my teeth are super crooked, my nose is too big, my mouth is too small, I have a tiny chin, a bad underbite and my body is covered with coarse hair (like really thick).

The reason I stated my physical attributes is not to complain, whine or any of that. I just feel that there aren't too many guys on here that fit in my physical realm. So this one's for you guys. And I hope this helps.

It comes to no surprise, my dating life was shit from the time I hit puberty all the way to my mid twenties. My first kiss was at 24 years old with a drunk cougar at a bar. And I lost my virginity to a hooker in Tijuana. I was also raised super Blue Pill and raised by a religious single mother (my dad was alpha but died when I was small). So I pretty much had a life of not being listened to, not taken seriously, women would only talk to me if they needed something, you get the picture.

I spent years in total confusion, depression, hopelessness and then flat out nihilism. I mean I was a hard worker, right? I was trustworthy, right? I was a good and loyal friend, right? People would tell me how guys like me were a dime in a dozen and many women would kill to find a guy like me. But no one cared. I still asked girls on dates but they would usually go out of politeness and make it clear that we were just friends by the end of the date. I had no motivation, stayed at a stagnant job that only promoted the pretty people that talked the talk but couldn't walk the walk if it could save their lives.

Well in a nutshell, I got tired and changed things. First an foremost, I had to change my attitude and philosophy. Over time, results came but they were far and few between. But better than nothing nevertheless. Then after years of practicing approach (mostly bad results, was spit on multiple times, was slapped for refusing to buy a girl's friend a drink, shoved out of the way at clubs by women often, verbally assaulted many times), results got more frequent. Then I discovered the red pill and it was the first and only confirmation of what I was observing about women and people in general.

Now at 33, I am 40 pounds lighter (still working on weight), back to school for a career in pipe welding, and in a currently in an LTR with an attractive chick who has beautiful hair, great body and is three inches taller than me.

Now here is my warning to my fellow "fugly" brothers.....

You are going to have a hard life ahead of you, the struggle never stops. Life is hard on everyone, but dudes like us get little to no easy breaks. In fact, if you work hard and get better at frame control, learn game and improve yourself overall, some people will hate you very much for it. I have had to cut off friends due to this. When I introduced my current gf to them, most of them were clearly puzzled and showed signs of jealousy (even though they are better looking yet single). Even when we go out, people constantly (especially guys) will try to join our conversation and ALWAYS ask me who she is to me. One guy flat out started talking shit and asked why I wasn't holding her hand and tried to out alpha me to impress her but ended up making an ass out of himself. People don't like to see the perceived "lesser people" succeed as much as we all say the contrary. That is why so many guys like this remain in their misery for life because they sense that they are marginalized but feel helpless which is understandable. And if you're below average and on your way to being that top 20%, you are gonna get more heat. And its going to hurt, and you will feel very alone.

But always remember that the Blue Pill/Feminine Imperative philosophy you've been holding onto is something that will need to be eliminated over time (and it will take years). The better looking dudes can get away with some beta game since they offer eye candy and social status points to their women. But that doesn't usually apply to us.

As hard and painful as it gets, never give up. EVER. Because, trust me, when you start to slip, or let bad results get to you, you will return to that dark hole in no time. And its far easier to fall into a big dark hole than it is to crawl out of one. Remember it is better to be a lone man on a mission to greatness, then have "friends" and be "liked" at the expense of your mission, your happiness and your overall well-being. Accept that fact that you are on your own. And only you can change turn the tides to your favor. Good luck to you all.

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[–]vintageBiscuit 144 points145 points  (10 children)

As Elliot Hulse once said "goals over girls". Great post. Everyone has own demons to fight.

[–]NoOneMatters 27 points28 points  (3 children)

Haven’t seen that name in a long time. Might go through a YouTube rabbit hole later

[–]red_matrix 13 points14 points  (1 child)

His earlier stuff is great. Good information and more motivational and applicable than the abundance of black pill stuff out there

[–]BhiQ42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lol, blackpill stuff by definition is inapplicable and demotivational, so that's really not hard

[–]ogkushinjapan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Funny how he got involved in the 21con drama. Glad that he acknowledges TRP n Mgtow n preaches it tho.

[–]usedtimecapsule 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Not sure if you’ve ever watched Naruto but there’s a character in the show named Sasuke and he always puts his goals first before anything.

Be like Sasuke

[–]TheGreatConst 12 points13 points  (1 child)

He is also cold to girls and so he stole the love interest from beta MC, lol.

[–]usedtimecapsule 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yup, all the girls loved him but he didn’t give 2 shits. All he had in mind was his ultimate goal, which was to kill his brother.

The best parts were when Sasuke would just roast Sakura. You’re annoying

[–]redpill77 138 points139 points  (18 children)

if you work hard and get better at frame control, learn game and improve yourself overall, some people will hate you very much for it.

I'm like a 7, and people are still like this. No one is happy to see other's succeed. Definitely not if you're ugly/fat (I was fat). They think they work as hard and are as smart as you (though they probably don't) and see injustice that you've somehow bypassed the class structure. You must be unethical.

This is a huge part of what I'm trying to figure out these days. Actively making positive connections seems to be the best way to prevent haters, but there will always be guys (and girls) who have too much hate and it just needs an outlet. I guess redirecting hate away from your success is how politicians are born.

[–]ozenmacher 22 points23 points  (2 children)

This is a great way to separate your "real" male bros and the butthurt, bluepill bros. Real male bros will cheer you on and want the best for you because it comes from their own place of abundance. Those are the bros you want to hang out with, because they want the best for you and have your back. It is a good, simple test of friendship. Don't hang out with bros who get jealous, cut them out of your life.

[–]Filmguy000[S] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Those are the bros you want to hang out with, because they want the best for you and have your back. It is a good, simple test of friendship. Don't hang out with bros who get jealous, cut them out of your life.

I had to do quite a bit of that for sure. It was hard to hear so many people cheer me on out of pity. I now know that people mostly do this to feel good about themselves. Because when results began to appear, a lot of my "cheerleaders" turned into undercover bullies.

[–]Zech4riah 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You suddenly became competition and made them feel insecure.

[–]deathhandmachiavelli 37 points38 points  (7 children)

I'm like a 7, and people are still like this. No one is happy to see other's succeed.

SO true. I was reading another thread in asktrp, they were asking guys in their 30s for advice for younger guys.

A bunch of the guys were giving the advice to "cultivate male friendships" In my experience, my male friends have been jealous of the girls I get, my career, my money, traveling, and success.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian 63 points64 points  (4 children)

It's important to make the right friends.

If your friendships are partly based on bonding together as the "losers" that shit often falls apart when you start taking action as it is similar to telling those friends they are losers and that there is a way out that they are avoiding. Sometimes you can maintain old friendships and they might even follow your lead but often you have to face the fact that your friends are a bunch of crabs in a bucket which sucks.

You need to find or form a tribe of warriors that support eachother.

[–]good_guy_submitter 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Finding those warriors is like finding unicorns. Except they do exist. Problem is they rarely have time to be friends. That's my problem. Between work and my kids and my home business and gym and my other goals - I got time for like 3, maybe 5 friends tops.

That said I have 3 friends that are very close and we elevate eachother in every aspect of life. Even our shit talking sounds gay because we build eachother up rather than tear down but I dont care I love those guys and we give eachother proof to slay puss.

[–]hobeezus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Better to have 3-5 close friends that push you to be better than 8-15 friends of whom 7 are unmotivated simps. Depth of friendship is more valuable than quantity of friends.

[–]BrownGummyBear 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Exactly, the one friend I have kept from childhood is one that was always looking a way to make money, work on cold approaches, go to te gym and in general improving ourselves as men

[–]Kingzumar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it’s also really hard to find warriors, because some people have a mask on, what is a must but this can kill connection when they socialize, especially when there is alot of people. or on work people are different than at home or in a bar. tricky but i realised if your in terms with yourself your more open to attract it.

[–]LongangGripCunniling 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Now here is my warning to my fellow "fugly" brothers.....

Truth is there is only the hard way and even most guys who look like they have it "easy" still have many challenges.

The guy who is +2 above you probably has some genetic advantages at his back, as well as a better family setup, but he has also probably done a lot of unseen work.

[–]Chitlinsandgravy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

People want you to do well, but never better than them. Genuine self improvement, in any area, will illicit this.

[–]jackandjill22 17 points18 points  (2 children)

I don't know about this. When you're naturally talented & attractive people see you as an investment like a stock. People are eager to get in on what you're doing & protect their investment. I know this because I've started entire business ventures based on these principals alone. The power of influence & persuasion, making your success other people's success. This makes less friction of the type you're describing.

[–]redpill77 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That's awesome. I've started to see this dynamic myself, trying to get better at it. My comment was more about the exceptions to the rule, really fucked up people: John Lennon was killed by a fan wasn't he.

Could you make an outline or point me in the direction of some resources for wielding charisma for business purposes?

[–]jackandjill22 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately there's no outline for these types of skills, not everything's "Google-able" eventually though when I have some free time I'm going write these things down in a series for the broader Redpill community to return what you'll have done for me.

[–]mrrooftops 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Gauging themselves to a fat, unsuccessful person enables their laziness. That's why they get angry; your transformation leaves them behind and spotlights their ineptitude.

[–]631_Exuberant_Bias 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Crab bucket mentality, bro. They'll try to drag you down.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 45 points46 points  (1 child)

Having to work harder for something shouldn't be viewed as a bad thing either. It allows you to understand the intricate process that it takes to get where you want to be.

It's like being a self made millionaire versus a lotto winner. Although you may be in the same position financially, one will be far more equipped to expand and further their position while at the same time being more protected against losing what they have.

[–]Lebensmaler 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Outstanding post. It takes a great deal of candour and suffering to reach those insights. Respect.

[–]inittowinit777 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Remember it is better to be a lone man on a mission to greatness, then have "friends" and be "liked" at the expense of your mission, your happiness and your overall well-being.

This is something that more men need to hear, and internalize, more often - myself included. Thanks for an honest share, and being a total realist with regards to your physical appearance, and the hardships that naturally come along with it. I will say this though - once you've got enough money saved up, you can opt for Invisalign/veneers to fix your teeth, and a nosejob to get a better, more aesthetic nose. Maybe do the whole shaved head with a full beard look as well. Whatever you decide to do, good luck to you on your journey as well.

[–]warrior_up 50 points51 points  (10 children)

I'm 6'3, 215 pounds, looks whatever but have never had any issues getting woman in bed...

I'm also c-level executive that makes over $200K/year, three boys 6yr, 4yrs, 2yrs old that I see every other weekend, recently divorced, in mountains of debt, broke and working 2 jobs as a bartender (70+ hours/ week) by the exact type of woman that doesn't ever look in your direction. Consider yourself lucky

I should have paid hookers like you, would have been cheaper

[–]Radioactivebuny 1 points1 points [recovered]

Do you have any idea what went wrong or is it just a crapshoot at this point? The thought of marriage absolutely fucking terrifies me given the stories and data I see.

[–]warrior_up 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Craps would be better odds, divorce is a $50 Billion dollar industry for a reason. Go your own way, nothing wrong with living without having a cunt in your ear and wallet

[–]Radioactivebuny 1 points1 points [recovered]

I don't mean to proselytize but I disagree to my very core with the MGTOW attitude. You're just a wine aunt with a penis if you do that shit. I fear the unbelievably treacherous slog through an ocean that's more anti-ship mines than water to find someone I'd feel good marrying, sure, but at the same time giving up on continuing my bloodline to fuck around and leave nothing behind seems equally childish. And unless you find a cure for cancer, achieve great spiritual enlightenment, or leave behind a legacy more lasting than children, I don't see it as anything other than a selfish choice, and for 99.999999999% of men, it'll be the latter.

[–]warrior_up 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My blood line is continued brother. No mas and no more child support for any of them

[–]tyronethejabrone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow that is some weak rationalizing

Either choice is selfish too btw

[–]deadstick_it 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I’m not the guy you’re asking but I can tell you how my shit went. I always knew something was inherently wrong with the way things were in my marriage. I could t put my finger on it. Then my brother broke the first rule of TRP, “never talk about TRP”. However, I was at a point where I was open to any explanation of what was going on. I discovered that I was married to an extreme narcissist and was constantly being gaslighted. She probably fit the definition of a Lucifer’s daughter. I tried to turn it around for my boy but it was too far gone. I got out.

TRP explained what I knew in my gut was wrong but didn’t know in my brain. Had I been exposed to TRP before I know I wouldn’t have gone near her but I also wonder if I would have been open to the things preached here because I might not have been in a bad enough spot to except it as truth.

I’ll probably never get married again because I’m not risking everything I own a second time. I’m not promoting not getting married to anyone and if you really master the teachings here you have a chance at not making the mistakes I have made. So you have a leg up on me in that respect.

There is no clear cut answer and only time will tell when it comes to relationships with women. Hell, I’m far from a guru when it comes to this stuff. I still have a hard time getting laid. I’m working hard and I’m also starting to get pushback from friends that seems like it could be the crabs in a bucket mentality. I also ask myself if they are right in what they say about my interactions with women. I come across as little extreme in their eyes and sometimes catch shit for it. Is it because I’m not the best looking dude and it’s not proper for me to say these things? Or are they seeing me working to change my lot in life and they don’t believe I should acquire that success?

That’s the crossroads I’m at in my journey right now. Am I actually being a jackass to girls or Am I right at the cusp of cracking the code and opening the floodgates of pussy? All I can do is keep trying and calibrating my approach to it until I finally make it work. There’s no going back now. I’ve already swallowed the red pill. The bliss of ignorance doesn’t exist for me anymore.

[–]warrior_up 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Flood gates have been opened in my area, and I will never ever ever even consider going into a contract with another woman in 2019.

As long as there social media and smart phones - I’m out

[–]okkyle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like you have a story that's worthy of it's own post. Would love to read about what you went through.

[–]CombatEngineerADF 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Were there warning signs, or did it emerge after the wedding?

[–]warrior_up 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes there were, but I couldn’t see past her looks, after wedding little increase after the kids, stay at home mom and social media - she was no longer the person I married, she became my worst enemy

[–]bestsparkyalive 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Now this is what I needed. Thank you dude.

[–]Shadows1455 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Now that's the kind of posts I love here. It really motivates me to make progress, I want to make a post like that in the future too !

[–]GastrointestinalRein 32 points33 points  (11 children)

Fugly means???? Fucking ugly??

[–]inittowinit777 11 points12 points  (1 child)

It generally means fat and ugly bitches, but yeah fucking ugly works too.

[–]ozenmacher 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Agreed with much of what you said. Being an incel in my entire twenties, low confidence, poor social skills, ugly, Asian minority but living in a white world, short, and dorky, life was always on hard mode. When I started to gain confidence, then found TRP, and found my own masculinity, I lost a lot of friends. I think for some people it is too much, too much to see the downtrodden, but reliable dork turn into a confident and assertive man who respects his boundaries. Another cautionary tale to add to the OPs post: watch out at work. Going from the submissive or socially awkward dude to assertive, sexually attractive to females in the office, and charismatic can bring its own set of issues. Suddenly you will be seen as a leader, so expect the shit tests to come MUCH more frequently, from men and women. It really proves the cognitive bias of the halo effect in the real world, suddenly people expect a lot more out of you, so be ready to step up. People who never paid two shits of attention to you suddenly want your attention and validation, at work and in normal life.

[–]sensual_predditor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hey as a side note dude, a dime a dozen means the opposite of how you used it.

It's not A Dime in A Dozen, but rather a dime FOR a dozen as in something available at great numbers for very cheap. If someone told you that you were a dime a dozen it wasn't exactly a compliment brother

I'm proud of you man keep it up

[–]UncleWarwick 5 points6 points  (3 children)

JayZ is one ugly ass motherfucker.

You think anyone calls JayZ one ugly ass mother fucker? I don’t.

It’s all about what you can build and accomplish and your value as a man. Which 98% of that can be learned.

You’re on the right track brother. Stay strong.

[–]cakefmateus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This right here, Jay-z is fucking Beyonce and before anyone comes here saying he's tall just imagine the pool of dick Beyonce could have. The difference is, Jay-z is a fucking genius, dude is a business...... man.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

jay z is charismatic as FUCK. watch his old interviews, the guy was a playaa

[–]throwaway_alt_slo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

D fuck if jayz is ugly im hideous

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Great job man. Respect.

[–]deathhandmachiavelli 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Damn, this is a great post. Thanks for sharing. Keep it up bro!

[–]iamanenemy 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Finally, a post grounded in reality. Not this "I'm Chad/alpha"/Jews taking over/racist/"IQ btw" slop that's been bleeding its way here as of late. I hope we get more grounded-in-reality content in the future, because I eat shit like this up. Tired of all the "af/bb" repeats. Post fresh content that will actually push men towards a goal or an end.

Good shit, OP. Keep this up and stick around. Ya heard me? Keep it 100.

[–]Luke10191 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Firstly congrats it’s good to hear your doing better. Secondly what were the steps and actions you took towards becoming this better man than you were previously?

[–]Filmguy000[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Thanks. For me it was having a lot of introspect and really observing how people operate. It was pretty interesting for me when I discovered the red pill about three years ago. A lot of what I read was stuff that I had already seen first hand. Yet so many others in my life seemed to not realize at all about how people truly are. This journey for change has been going on for almost a decade. A lot of what I did was putting myself into uncomfortable positions. Especially in social situations. This helped tremendously with mental and emotional fitness.

[–]holiestoftheholies 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you were already 31 when you started approaching? That’s pretty cool dude.

[–]ProductivityMonster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've experienced something like this my whole life. I'm smarter and more diligent than I look so people get really jealous/angry when I make big things happen and get better rewards than them despite being on the shorter side. It's taught me to keep my mouth shut about my own successes, and really celebrate others' successes. Also, to go out of my way and engage others to make them feel included and make me seem less arrogant. Apparently, a lot of people mistake shy for arrogant.

[–]BumblingBeta 2 points3 points  (4 children)

This is the REAL red pill - looks are everything. You've learned game, learned how to hold frame, increased your status, but you still struggle a lot. And it's no surprise when you are a balding 5'6 man with poor facial features. Genetics dealt you a poor hand.

This is why people should always reference their success stories with what they look like and their physical features. A 6'2 Greek God is going to have wildly different results to a 5'4 chubby bald man, no matter how good the latter is at holding frame.

[–]throwaway_alt_slo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No fucking shit. People here just assume we look like shit (fat, unkempt) and a potential to be 8-9. I maxxed out and i dont look even 5 on the best day.

[–]tyronethejabrone 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Jesus Christ man why does everything just have to be absolutes

“Real” red pill 1. Be attractive 2. Don’t be unattractive

Obviously looks matter. They make it easier. No one fucking denies that. But attraction is dependent on a lot more than just looks.

[–]Tacale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You took some real extremes there. Which the looksiseverything people always do.
99% of guys fit somewhere in between Greek God and fat bald midget.

Is that the entire argument? 99th percentile of looks attractiveness has it easier than the 99th percentile of looks unattractiveness? As someone who falls way closer to the latter (short bald) than the former, i don't feel like my life is ruined at all. In fact, i feel i live better than most Greek gods i know and would never trade places with any of them.

"Real Red Pill"? Sounds more like that Black Pill to me.

[–]akzunamoon 15 points16 points  (22 children)

and always remember: your mission is not pussy :)

[–]deathhandmachiavelli 52 points53 points  (21 children)

and always remember: your mission is not pussy :)

Stop with that bullshit, nutting in a dime is better than getting "accolades" at work, or whatever other coping strategy you are using.

Too much MGTOW loser bullshit filters its way into here.

Like it or nut, being with a very attractive woman is one of the biggest endorphine creating, psychologically fulfilling moments to a human male.

[–]mpower20 49 points50 points  (14 children)

I think he means that on the way to an actual, fulfilling goal that you’re passionate about, pussy will come. Ask anyone who’s wealthy in pussy how much it’s worth to them. “Nothing” is the answer to that question.

[–]gattaca_ 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Ask anyone who’s wealthy in pussy how much it’s worth to them. “Nothing” is the answer to that question.

This is a great point.

We all pursue dreams (more women, money, fame, etc) and once we reach them it's never fulfilling.

Too much of anything just devalues it.

Dan Bilzerian talks in this video about how it's hard for him to enjoy fast cars, the best food, the hottest women since he has so much. These are life's pleasures but do not equate to real happiness.

[–]RPangerandacceptance 3 points4 points  (2 children)

It is known to psychology as hedonic adaptation or the hedonic treadmill. It is very real and success at obtaining any of life's pleasures will most assuredly introduce a person to it. Happiness is most reliably achieved as a by-product of the pursuit of meaningful achievements. It just so happens that, in most cases, the same set of behaviors and character developments it takes to pursue meaningful achievements will also get you laid more often.

In other words, if you are trying to become a better man just to get more pussy, more power to you. It is not either/or in this case.

[–]TheGreatConst 1 point2 points  (1 child)

To neuroscience it is known how this works on level of your brain, but it is ten times harder to explain.

The main thing is- there is limit to how much pleasure a person can feel because receptors which perceive the pleasure are limited in quantity and quality. This limit is different for each person.

For example some guy can feel as much pleasure from porn as he has from real sex, usually people like this tend to be "porn addict" or "game addict", etc. Just because "fake" pleasure is enough to achieve their "pleasure limit". On the other hand there are those who can't achieve their limit unless they always reach higher heights in life, but such people are usually never happy for too long. Most people are between those two extremes though.

[–]RightHandWolf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good points regarding the neuroscience, but I'll chime in with a different perspective.

Having gone through the recovery process (18+ years sober) the concept of tolerance might be applicable.

For someone dealing with an addiction, the body builds up a tolerance regarding the drug of choice. Alcohol, coke, meth or whatever cause a huge dopamine spike that first time, but then the body adapts, building a tolerance for whatever you're smoking/snorting/ injecting//. You develop a tolerance, and the law of diminishing returns kicks in. You start needing more and more of the drug of choice to feel that spike in the pleasure center of the brain, but the high or the rush never can match that first experience.

It's a vicious cycle, and addiction doesn't have to be the result of "better living through chemistry."

The reaction in the brain can come from certain behaviors as well. Compulsive gambling and the "shopaholic" come to mind.

[–]akzunamoon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yes man. its more like that, what i am talking about. life is not about getting woman. anyhow, its a nice thing :)

[–]BumblingBeta 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Also ask anyone who has no pussy at all how they feel about their life and mental state.

Pussy is like money - you need a baseline level in order to be satisfied, but beyond a certain level it becomes superfluous to your needs.

[–]Tacale 0 points1 point  (3 children)

On the point that you need a baseline level in order to be satisfied -I think of the monks who give up western life, including women, and apparently are happy as can be just meditating all day and helping others.

I believe it is possible to be happy that way. Need some real mental strength though and maybe not for everyone.

[–]BumblingBeta 0 points1 point  (2 children)

But I've also seen plenty of posts on this sub and elsewhere which say that men need relationships/sexual interactions with women to be happy and satisfied. Looking at men who don't have this in their life, they are usually angry/bitter/depressed or try to find coping mechanisms.

Then you have the people who have always been in a relationship since their early teenage years, preaching to people that you don't need relationships/sex to be happy. That's like taking fitness advice from a fat person.

[–]throwaway_alt_slo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. I never had a gf or anything before 23. I was getting miserable. When i finally got her, my quality of life improved significantly. I have never been happier with her then all my life combined. When she broke up with me i fell back in depression, im doing okay rn it takes a lot of mental strength and knowing that feeling sorry for yourself is shit and weak and accepting life is suffering, but id be lying if i sad dat i wouldnt be happier with some pussy.

[–]Tacale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of men who don't have this in their life are indeed very bitter and angry.

My point though is that i do think its possible to be happy while not having sex. Most guys of course will never manage this.

[–]SilenceOnTheWire 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Ask anyone who’s wealthy in pussy how much it’s worth to them. “Nothing” is the answer to that question.

Then why don't they go celibate?

[–]868-hack 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because the value is something but the worth is nothing. I really like my Jack Daniels but if the store's out of JD, Jim Beam will do just fine.

[–]deathhandmachiavelli -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Money and achieving goals only makes you a beta provider.

[–]mpower20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Achieving the goals you set for yourself makes you self-actualized. It’s a healthy thing to strive for.

[–]akzunamoon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

just don't be dependent on it. sorry for the wrong wording.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

i agree with you bra. ain't nothing wrong with wanting pussy. if you want it, go out and get it, that's cool.

however I will say that getting laid is not very fulfilling, it's just good for a bit of fun or if you're particularly horny at a specific time.

[–]xKalista 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Straight up. Incels got it right, men pretty much need female intimacy and attention to be 100% happy or fulfilled. I think it's a coping mechanism that so many claim they don't need women, and all who claim that are virgins too.

[–]BumblingBeta 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's probably why most people get so angry at incels as well - because they are right, even though people don't want them to be right.

[–]throwaway_alt_slo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is, tbh it is cope or rope at the end of the day. Copes aint dat bad tho, but lets acknowledge they are that

[–]TwentyEighteen 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Good job dude, with your stats I would just LDAR. Dating is an uphill battle for ugly guys.

[–]Filmguy000[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There was definitely a period where that's all I thought about. Thanks, bro.

[–]throwaway_alt_slo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, no shit. But ldaring and not coping makes u even more depressed. At least thats what i xperienced. Its cope or rope tho

[–]PragmaticRedTruth 1 points1 points [recovered]

Most importantly, you changed the way you see the world around you. Without that, it wouldn't be possible.

Happy for you, bro.

[–]Filmguy000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. And yes, having a more pragmatic view of how people operate in this world definitely was the foundation to begin changes.

[–]NoFap_FV 1 point2 points  (2 children)

How did you beat the Nihilist thinking? I'm 24 and I can't bring myself to do thing because i always think is not something worthwile.

[–]Filmguy000[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

For me it was taking risks. Talking to the hot girl at the bar, quitting a comfortable stagnant job and doing something completely different, and finding things to enjoy in life by yourself. Like I said in my post, there were lots of bad results when I tried. But with consistence, a girl that you just said "wuts up" to with no intentions will be fucking you that night. The new job that pays better but you sucked at immensely, becomes easier. All these little victories help and make life more of an adventure.

[–]NoFap_FV 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind in the future.
Tomorrow is a new week. Feeling more positive already.

[–]NotLuceBree 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great post brother. Thanks for sharing this.

[–]cydestiny 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yes, you dont have to be a supermodel chad to win the game.

You just need to get your shit together.

I think most gave up because they think that red pill is a short cut. Unfortunately it's not. I do agreed that some of the stuff side bar does give you instant result but it's not the end.

All in all, red pill isn't just about attracting more women, you're still going to be miserable unless you focus on yourself.

[–]throwaway_alt_slo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, you dont have to be a supermodel chad to win the game.

Yeah, but wouldnt u say u need to become at least a 6 or smth like dat? If ur face is 3-4 u will never ever get to dat. Just my opinion.

[–]bundfalke 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Thats normal dude. Everyone guy gets a bit upset when he sees some obese deformed drug dealing 80 IQ tard with a pretty gf. Women do this too. If you are a extremely good looking guy with a below average girlfriend, other women will hate you and your girlfriend for it.

Protip: You are taking away 80% of your looks by being obese.

[–]throwaway_alt_slo 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You are taking away 80% of your looks by being obese.

I never understood why people complain when theyre fat. I mean even if ur above 15% bf ur looking way worse (in most cases) than lets say 8-10%

[–]bundfalke 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yep. Just a few lbs is enough to cause a big difference in your appereance. Its even worse with women. They put on 10lbs and literally drop 3 points in looks. Works the other way too. I have seen former "ugly" girls turn into pretty bitches just by losing their chub.

[–]throwaway_alt_slo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just a few lbs is enough to cause a big difference in your appereance

My cousin (male) didnt loose much but he went from lets say 15 to 10 or even less bf% when i looked at his pics im like, damn u had a bloated face. But i never considered him even a bit chubby

[–]andtoc 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I am struggling quite a lot lately, and your post helped me remember that the work never stops. Thank you.

[–]Filmguy000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry to hear about your struggles. I'm still on my own journey and you just have to keep it going. The less you do, the less you learn, the more like shit you will feel. Good luck, brother.

[–]lux_7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great job man, well done, true inspiration! Just cut out that "feminine imperative" BS though. Now you're in a relationship, act like a true leader (and not like a "me VS your imperative")

[–]natedogggggyyyy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow. Encouraging read. Thanks for this

[–]philltered 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Hope you are lifting OP. A great body on an ugly face can give off great bad boy vibes. And a body can never be ugly even if your face is. Practice proper mewing, chin tucks, and ab walks to correct your underbite (posture definitely helps).

[–]throwaway_alt_slo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Seriously? Mewing? Chin tucks? Wtf is ab walks?

[–]Buchloe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is besides the point, but FYI- "a dime in a dozen" isn't a saying, and the actual saying doesn't mean what you are meaning when you use it here.

"Guys like you are a dime a dozen" would mean you're cheap, and easy to come by. Plentiful and forgettable. Like cheap eggs- only a dime for a dozen. The polar opposite of "one in a million", which is probably what you meant in this context.

[–]sebastianconcept 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great example. You just go buddy. Game is king.

But a smart way to amplify game results is to lift and diet.

A dude with not a great face and not tall, can still tingle some clitoris if he can fuck them to sleep and achieves a good shape. 6 packs specially.

About the teeth, brakes man. It sucks but they do fix that issue. In ~ two years you can have them properly aligned.

[–]Livecrazyjoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pipe welding is a great career. Women will throw themselves at you based on, the job. They see the money. Remember don't blow it on them. Do you first.

[–]Zech4riah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People don't like to see the perceived "lesser people" succeed as much as we all say the contrary. That is why so many guys like this remain in their misery for life. Because they sense that they are marginalized, yet feel helpless which is understandable. And if you're below average and on your way to being that top 20%, you are gonna get more heat. And its going to hurt, and you will feel very alone.

People in general don't like when someone tries to crawl out from the bucket or even change themselves in some way but i guess it can be even worse for "lesser people".

[–]SKRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone will help you improve, but never, ever to a level better than them. Because they can't or they can't see what's better than them in the first place.

[–]cakefmateus -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Dude to be honest, you're 5'6 while being 200lbs. While being obese you got a girlfriend, don't really don't think you're that fugly.

But I may be wrong on your weight, you said you lost 40lbs, so now you're 200lbs or 160lbs?

[–]TheGreatConst 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know a guy who is exactly like this - 5'6 short and more than 220lbs fat. He still get laid with hot girls just because of his social skills and experience from high school when he was high in social hierarchy (he was athletic back then and also strong fighter).

[–]TreatYouLikeAQuean 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It read like he was 200. He is now 34 y.o. at 160 lbs. I agree with your sentiment. Being that short and obese, he had to have something going for him.

[–]cakefmateus 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yep, even at 160lbs he's kinda fatty, unless he's hitting the gym hard. For his height 140lbs is kinda the ideal I think? I'm around his height but yeah, people usually downplay how they look. But as I said, he fucking owns it now.

[–]TreatYouLikeAQuean 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, 160 is still quite fat if he isn't lifting. I'm 5'8", currently at 160 while lifting for the past 3.5 years and I have a pretty solid amount of muscle. I think I can reasonably get to 170 while as a natural. 5'6" guys should try to aim for just above 160 if they're trying to look big or somewhere in the 150s if they're trying to look lean.

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