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I think when most comments in a rather innocuous /r/dataisbeautiful post are about how much easier dating is for men than it is for women, I think it is safe to say that the discussions on places like /r/purplepilldebate and trp are well...not just taking place on these boards.

I've noticed it everywhere. More and more men are starting to talk about how shitty it is for them if they're not "in the top 20%". In fact, I started a new job recently in a big city. My first week in and one of my coworkers (~6ft, jacked, 6 figures at 23, former athlete, etc. so nothing to blame) complained about how shitty online dating and modern women are.

I'm starting to sense so much anger in so many different places. incel jokes are no longer relegated to incel boards, and I'm starting to even see this shit on Worldstarhiphop, gaming streams, YouTube comments, and the comment section of conservative news sites (FOX, Daily Caller, Dailymail, etc).

What do you think are the chances that we experience widespread backlash? And what would we experience? More Eliot Rodgers? /r/mensrights stuff becoming mainstream? More men ACTUALLY going their own way...on their own ACTUAL accord?


[–]Sticky1Brick167 points68 points  (51 children) | Copy Link

I know so many guys who have high-paying career jobs, their own place, solid social skills & confidence, wide friend network, good style, workout, and still can't get dates on a consistent basis. You would think this type of man would be super desirable in their mid-20s but it really doesn't seem like it.

Here are some reasons I could think of:

1) At least in a big city, working hours are going up, pay is stagnating, housing cost is skyrocketing, and the competitiveness to grasp any sort of prestige is astronomical. People have less time, less money, and less energy to do things outside of work where they have the best chance to meet someone.

2) Women judge other women constantly on their instagram, and the most important asset to any 20something's insta is a hot, impressive boyfriend. Having one dramatically increases status in the female social hierarchy, and having an ugly one will incur a lot of judgment.

3) Women in their 20s are out-earning men, which isn't a bad thing, but it means that the resource-provision aspect that ugly dudes have relied on for centuries is gone. There is also less societal pressure to enter a monagomous relationship.

4) Online dating has given most women an easy path to a sexual encounter with very attractive men. Whether they can turn that into a relationship is another story, but there are a lot of women who take a while to figure out the guys they can fuck are not necessarily the guys they can date.

5) There are just way more desirable women than men. The standards for physical attractiveness are lower, they can wear makeup, and for whatever reason men are still being told that women are less shallow than men.

While I think a few of these are side effects of (very) net positive changes, the love life of the average dude in 2019 is pretty sad compared to his vagina-wielding peers. People can't just keep hand-waving away men's complaints as "incel whining" because eventually like half of dudes will be virgins in their 20s. I expect men to start working on their appearance a lot more and while that might help a bit, I suspect this new landscape will be the status quo until we all have virtual waifus and human reproduction is outsourced to factories.

[–]MiscellaneousThrow8713 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The thing is, the man you described in your comment is what women consider the average guy in his 20's and we all know women always aim for better than average. Hence why he would not be successful. Even though it's clear to us that the work involved with getting to that point is way beyond average.

[–]oneprettycoolcat29 points30 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

People can and will keep waving away men's problems indefinitely, sorry. No one ever has and never will care.

[–]OatsGYOWMGTOW[🍰] 8 points9 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Or old women and fat women's problems.

Too many people look at the way women of childbearing age are treated and think of it as some sort of standard - it isn't.

The only people who actually care are people suffering from the same problem, hoping to find kindred spirits to whine about it while the rest of us adapt.

Cough /r/mensrights Cough

[–]oneprettycoolcat17 points18 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

People definitely care about womens' problems, regardless of their appearance or age. These women might get less "care" than young, attractive women, but they still get some. On the other hand, no one gives a fuck about any man's problem, and the fact that a man even has problems lowers said man's status.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I would counter that culturally will change 1 way or another.

[–]oneprettycoolcat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why would it?

[–]decoy88Black Male in London0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

People definitely care about womens' problems, regardless of their appearance or age.

Who is “people”?

[–]bearshark7130 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Everyone? Like, everyone knows if you set up a system or enterprise meant to exclusively help men deal with a non-purely-biological problem like prostate cancer, there will be immediate social repercussions. You will be labeled as a sexist and dragged through the mud. Nevermind the sentencing, suicide, and homelessness gap, men's problems are feminist problems, just don't ever ask a feminist political action group how much actual money is being allocated to them.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean I don’t think ‘everyone’ really cares about ‘anyone’ they don’t know personally

[–]bearshark7130 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

'Everyone' could either means a group of individuals or the collective that makes up the culture and state. You're right about us as individuals, but put enough of us together and you'll have a generalized urge to help women with compassion and test men with hardship. It's been that way since precivilization.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Depends on the problems.

If a woman has mental issues, that also lowers her desirability.

If a man has some problems with business he started, he still is more desirable than a blue collar dude who gets a stable income.

[–]oneprettycoolcat0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Wrong. Mental issues do not lower her desirability, as that is solely her physical appearance. Womens' mental issues are accepted because weakness is considered feminine. Feminine women are okay. Feminine men are not. Additionally, all women have inherent value while men do not.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Mental issues do not lower her desirability

For sex yes. But most women don't care about bare sex, they want relationships. And here a woman with mental issues is less desirable.

Womens' mental issues are accepted because weakness is considered feminine.

Being psychotic is not being weak, for example.

Feminine men are not.

It's like only feminine men have problems.

all women have inherent value while men do not.

Wow. This can belong to r/gendercritical.

[–]oneprettycoolcat0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men don't care about her psyche for relationships either. If we hated women with mental problems we'd just never bother with any woman.

And yes, women have default value. That's why people naturally care more when something bad happens to a woman. Cue the "1/4 of homeless people are women" poster.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men don't care about her psyche for relationships either.

Delusion.

If we hated women with mental problems we'd just never bother with any woman.

IIRC you were posting as a woman here. I am pretty sure you are. Date crazy women all you like.

Cue the "1/4 of homeless people are women" poster.

I think he is more interested in why is that when women really could just find a beta buxx.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

People can and will keep waving away men's problems indefinitely, sorry. No one ever has and never will care.

Lol. Only if a sizable enough amount of men "got his" and the rest are sedated with bells and whistles to not do anything. Take away those and usually that's how revolutions or civilization ending conflicts start.

People are only waving away men's problems because men themselves do it and they do it to follow what I call "the script" and hope. Do you really think that if men lose these things, shit won't go down?

[–]the-4th-survivor10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

While I think a few of these are side effects of (very) net positive changes, the love life of the average dude in 2019 is pretty sad compared to his vagina-wielding peers.

Very true. I don't think it's ever been tougher to be an average dude in the dating world than it is today. A woman of average looks will still get plenty of male attention if she's not overweight but an average looking man of average height with an average personality and an average paying job is pretty much screwed. Or not screwed I should say. What's the answer to the problem though? It's not like you can just force women to be attracted to regular guys. TRP is there to help average guys max out their value to women by improving their appearance and social skills, but it's not a very popular movement and only works on a smaller scale. Is there a realistic large scale solution to get average dudes back in the game?

[–]webernicke3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is there a realistic large scale solution to get average dudes back in the game?

A major war culling the male population, most like

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its crazy honestly. Youre better off investing time in something productive rather than getting taken to the ringer.

[–]eyewant😋 grape suppository1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is there a realistic large scale solution to get average dudes back in the game?

realistic sex bots to remove the competition and satiate the masses.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Disrupt the market.

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid3 points4 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

Because they work to damn much. When i was on salary i didn't get laid at all.

Then i got a job with 15 days off a month. Plenty of time to focus on fitness and go on dates.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles3 points4 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

What kind of job was it? Give us some ideas. All I see are jobs going to shit

Precarious employment is way up but on a National scale, stable jobs are far less common than before 2008

[–]_hack0slash_alpha5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Capitalism as a system is unsustainable because it's predicated on the concept of resource extraction and there is no such thing as infinite resources, hence why jobs are going to shit because of fewer resources being hoarded more disproportionately than ever before on a global scale

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jobs were never the goal of capitalism

Its goal was and is to make money.

In the past you needed employed people to make money for your business. But now we are moving towards a time where productivity (Revenue $$$) and the need for employees will slowly become separated as automation and robotics improves beyond human capabilities in terms of speed, accuracy, and the ability to work 24/7 without breaks or demands or even heating and cooling or electricity to see

[–]rus9384Misanthrope-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Capitalism is unsustainable with 100% automation, but for other reasons.

[–]MyDogLovesCorn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Finance, tech sales, anything engineering or programming, T14 law, and consulting still pay pretty well in big cities.

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid0 points1 point  (19 children) | Copy Link

Can't say to much. I work with allot of blue collar dudes, and they make as much or more then me. But my job is cushy. Skilled trades like automation pay pretty damn good. I know guys at power plants pulling really good money.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles2 points3 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

How is automation a skilled trade? I thought the point of it was to make certain trades redundant

Or what types or work could someone do in automation? Technicians, repair, and things like that?

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid2 points3 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Yea, you repair robots. They have courses to take.

And you still need operators to run the robots as well. The fear of total job lose is mostly a fear tactic. If anything having a leaner and more efficient workforce helps America compete against cheap overseas labor

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles2 points3 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

I get there would still be new jobs created, but as robots get better, I find it hard to believe that the jobs created would be enough to offset all the jobs lost and still pay a reasonable salary: look at Uber paying shit compared to the decent life taxi driver's could afford. And now Uber investing heavily into self driving cars and trucks to remove the need for people at all to transport people or cargo

From my perspective** as someone who doesn't know much about this, like an outsider looking in:** the industrial revolution was about reducing the need for muscles. The next wave of automation softwares and robots seems to reduce the need on brains. This is what people including myself fear

When software and robots are decent enough, what could humans do on a national scale that would be left to continue to provide jobs. Obviously this wouldn't happen immediately. But 30 years from now is enough for the world to be completely different and for technology to be leaps and bounds better than today. Hard to think how humans could keep up with technology getting batter exponentially and not linearly. Hell 10 years ago the first iPhone was released and now look at the proliferation of the technology

I'm pretty paranoid about a potential jobless future. Everytime I hear a retailer going bust I feel like the sky is falling. Talk me down from the ledge before I snap mentally

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

This has been the fear mongering since the first factory.

Then with overseas labor.

We have more automation today then ever before yet one of the lower unemployment rates.

You wanna go back to the 50s and work a stamp press for 25 years? Or have an easier job due to robotics?

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

True. I only know what I read on the news since I don't work in technology and don't have any real world experience. But when you read the McKinsey report that guestimates 40% of work automated in the next 10 years, or machine learning finding solutions and patterns that people couldn't find, doesn't this stuff make you pause even for a minute?

The main thing humans have is that we can learn. And when we are seeing the early stages of software learning quicker than a human and beating the greatest players in the world in "Go": the most complex board game ever, don't you worry if they could one day become better thinkers than us?

I hope you're right. The idea of humans becoming unemployable is a nightmare I hope never reached fruition. But seeing places like the rust belt still not recovering even 50 years later makes it hard for me to think that automation is a good thing

Especially as newer jobs need more cognitive ability, and IQ is very generic, and the low IQ people have the most kids. Seems like a game of musical chairs where the music has to one day stop eh?

[–]rus9384Misanthrope1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

the most complex board game ever

For some reason it took longer to beat the greatest players in chess.

The idea of humans becoming unemployable is a nightmare

It is not a nightmare, why are Westerns convinced it is? All the goods are gonna be made by machines for humans, but that requires the (inevitable) end of capitalism first.

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

40% of work automated in the next 10 years

Which is probably how many jobs disappeared the past 10 years

[–]rus9384Misanthrope0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Or have an easier job due to robotics?

Soon people will have no jobs. That's going to be heaven through hell.

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Possible, but very unlikely

[–]rus9384Misanthrope0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And that's all because women are pressured in low N counts too hard.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is accurate & also, there are more key reasons surrounding this that aren't being discussed as well. There are systemic issues regarding the market. We brought this up here we were ahead of the curve.

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid45 points46 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

They'll probably quit working so hard for one thing. Why bust your ass for a "career" when it's just you? We are already starting to see this with the more difficult jobs even if they pay well. Of course women won't do them ethier since they just like to sit in an office.

Probably start seeing a massive increase in minimalism. The market will have to change and adapt from massive overpriced suvs to small cheap efficient cars. Small houses instead of mcmansions. Actually might be kinda good for the environment and society overall.

Of course the boomers who didn't save and are relying on the younger generation to prop up social security are fucked, but they did it to themselves.

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater21 points22 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

This is a very real consequence. If you don't expect to have a family there is no point in saving up large sums of money or making the biggest financial investments expected of you(a big enough house for kids and a big enough car to drag them around).

I mean lets face it even the non kid parts of marriage take up so much more space. Like a married man who compronises needs a man cave to do his shit. A single guy in a 1 bedroom apartment or bachelors suite doesn't need a man cave.

[–]theoracleofosiris19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is essentially what mgtow is. One of its appeal is its simplicity.

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid31 points32 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I came into mgtow for the misogyny stayed for the minimalism

[–]prostate-apostatespectacle beta3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol

[–]DaphneDK42TEMC (Trans Exclusionary Male Chauvinist)4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

If you don't expect to have a family there is no point in saving up large sums of money or making the biggest financial investments expected of you(a big enough house for kids and a big enough car to drag them around).

And how is that different from the legion of people in relationships who don't intent to have children? Births are at a record low. That is not because of men unable to find women. That is because of men and women electing by choice not to have children.

Anyway, Darwin will sort it all out in the end.

[–]FatChopSticks7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually, it’s not.

The number of children desired and number of actual children being had is growing wider apart. Most people still want 2-3 children.

Did you know birth rates drop during economic depressions and war time? Well the population has lots of reasons to be depressed and surprise surprise, uncertainty and depression causes people to have less babies, who would’ve thunk?

Within a generation, women (let me remind you, makes up 50% of our population and is the one responsible for popping out babies) have broken a huge glass ceiling, and entered the work force, with not nearly enough time for laws, policies, and culture to adopt such as maternity and paternity leave, could that have an effect on birth rates? I dunno, a person with common sense would say yes.

Wages have also remained stagnant for nearly 40 years while child-care has been skyrocketing, I’m gonna stop being snarky and just tell you, yes the economy also has an impact on birth rates.

I can keep going on, decline in religion which affect societal pressures for marriage and baby making (before most people got married in early 20s, now it’s 30s), shift in parenting styles, advent of contraceptions (consider how many babies were accidents before pills and condoms)

Just don’t spread misinformation that the declining birth rate is due to wokeness.

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Even two people who move in together need more space than one.

[–]DaphneDK42TEMC (Trans Exclusionary Male Chauvinist)0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How do you figure that? Two singles living in each their apartment, need a lot more space and stuff than a couple living together. That's been one of the driving force behind the growth of the property market.

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The market will have to change and adapt from massive overpriced suvs to small cheap efficient cars

hopefully a budget sports car resurgence

or maybe not... and my s2000 will go up in value lol

[–]CaptDeadlift4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I so wish to own a s2k one day but it jumped pretty high when it first caught my eye.

Currently on a Lexus LS400 gen 2 , the V8 sounds hella mad plus it's old sleek look makes friends think it's some old woman's car 😂 until they hear it's straight pipped engine roars.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lexus LS400

Last girlfriends first car was a fucking SC400. Lots of fun, bone stock. Lucky I only got 2 speeding tickets.

[–]reluctantly_red8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Probably start seeing a massive increase in minimalism.

You'd think so but Americans love their stuff.

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

They also love trends. And minimalist life is trendy

[–]reluctantly_red3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I love how so called minimalist have to buy all sorts of new stuff for their new lifestyle. All of it very expensive.

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You mean like s $70k tiny house which is just a $25k camper but with siding?

[–]reluctantly_red2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup. That sort of thing.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

This is my prediction as well, market changes and increased free time

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

increased free time

Sometimes i get bored but i wouldn't change my time for nothing. I dated a single mom once to see what family life would be like. Fuck that shit!

[–]Naebany2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Story time?

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not today. I'm in to good of a mood to ruin it

[–]Naebany0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok sure.

[–]Iron-Giant1692 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck those old bastards

[–]TwentyX442 points43 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What I find most interesting about the comments in this thread:

The number of men agreeing with things being shitty, even if they get occasional successes. Of course, because of the whole "if you look like you're hungry, you'll starve" thing, many men won't admit it in real life.

The number of women in this thread being dismissive and blaming men by implying they're incels or using insults will to "make the problem go away" by shooting the messenger in some way.

[–]WhiteningMcClean14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

THANK YOU. Women who know me IRL would never think dating was an issue because I've learned not to admit it. Even if I'm not romantically interested in someone, women have friends and "he's been struggling" is not the most attractive description. I don't lie, but I'll talk about the positives and not mention the negatives. Women truly have no idea how bad dating is right now for guys because men are rarely willing to admit it in person.

[–]RandomAttackHelpMe16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The number of women in this thread being dismissive and blaming men by implying they're incels or using insults will to "make the problem go away" by shooting the messenger in some way.

But that's just been it, that's been the big game all along. They aren't on your side, they are more and more selfish, never mind whether it's someone you're seeing/fucking/dating/married too one way or the other, they don't want to do anything for anyone at all. Yes, sometimes you do need to be selfish and know when a deal is a bad deal, but this constant sense is fucking it all up.

At my job, I'll tell you, the foreign customers, the asian, arab,african, latino, russian, indian, greek, english, irish, and like still have the accent off the boat irish, not tommy o'doyle who once drank the town drunk under the table and then went on a wicked crazy time through the steets type, WWWWWAAAAAYYYYY nicer than the locals, much more formal, respectful, appreciative, smarter, there's more a sense of collaboration with them, sense of team work, those guys get it. The locals? It's more about them them them almost all the time. Spoiled adult children. So yeah, it's an American thing. And I am not like fetishizing or demeaning or saying "oh those nice foreigners" as if they couldn't turn around and tell you fuck you if they wanted too, the attitudes are clearly different as night and day.

[–]PickUpScientistMaroon Pill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

everyone finds foreigners more likeable, because they find your accent charming and you find their accent charming. i don't think that is a gender thing or a country thing, just a human thing. i am guilty of it myself.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea, this 100% accurate. The cultures going to have to change it's response or it's going to lead to serious problems.

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater22 points23 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

A lot of people are saying nothing has changed and some people have always complained but this is certainly not the case. I've been on the internet long enough to notice some pretty radical pendulum swings where like ten years ago when incels vecame a thing in large enough numbers on enough sites there was some serious push back and it steadily became an idea that any man who complained got brushed off as one of them or a red piller who was a weird niche ideologue. The default idea of a woman being able to do no wrong was very much prevalent on most advice boards about sex and any dissenters could be squashed by moderators.

Today is a very different kind of animal. The same mods can't squash this kind of thing because it's gotten so prevalent. A lot of them aren't around and their replacements think differently.

r/dataisbeautiful is showing so much activity because making these charts is easy. Tinder will send you metadata they collect and running it through a chart takes like five minutes. As a result you have hundreds of people who can just stare at raw numbers from every demographic, and as a result a lot of men can now directly see that even if they do it all theoretically right it isn't worth it.

Of course a few anonymous redditors will claim to be slaying it on Tinder but nobody believes them. They aren't posting proof.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because most women don't even have to go to Tinder to hook up.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This. Majority of young people are meeting online in dating.... but that doesn’t mean online dating, just online

Which means Tinder isn’t only a slice of the actual picture

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea. Tides are rising.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie42 points43 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

Just like you can't put the cat back in the bag for women's independence, TRP knowledge will get out there. Now it'll be in the form of purple pill and the main underpinning will be not wifing up a hoe.

I've talk to a lot of black dudes in the Army. Nearly every single one of them commented that they were wondering when the white dudes were going to catch on to this shit.

Get woke go broke is going to be a saying a lot of women will resemble.

Patrice O'neal has a bit about it. Women haven't advance since year one "knowing pussy was valuable to men" and when men find out, women will pay the price. But to be honest, it seems women are okay with that.

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid18 points19 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

wondering when the white dudes would catch on to this shit

The blue collar class has been well aware for years as well.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles14 points15 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Upper class guys had been coping for a long time that, "that's just with low class girls, you need edumacated women to find the real quality angels"

[–]MyDogLovesCorn[S] 16 points17 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Oh hell no. Stay away from those UMC girls from liberal arts colleges or non-HYP ivies. They'd make a Compton town bicycle look like a gold plated Harley.

[–]HennythepainawayI don't even like Henny6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Columbia girls are the worst. The entitlement is on another level. NYU people are pretty out there, but still much better overall. Not to mention all the other small colleges around.

[–]MyDogLovesCorn[S] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Fuck them both. NYU girls are dumb and conceited. Columbia girls are less dumb and even more conceited, albeit with some pedigree and grace thrown in there. I never run into the Columbia girls who have a plurality of brain cells because they tend to be too busy studying and working lmao

[–]HennythepainawayI don't even like Henny1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

At least the NYU girls can be pretty

[–]MyDogLovesCorn[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Eh I dunno, they generally dress like shit. Super 90's grunge look. Columbia girls are classy, you take that back!

[–]HennythepainawayI don't even like Henny1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Idk man I go there and have trouble spotting this so called class. Most are degenerates when they're in a frat basement.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My cousin goes to NYU for law undergrad. She's above average at best.

[–]HennythepainawayI don't even like Henny1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's just one girl though, you have to think of the class as a whole. The upper tier at NYU blows away the same tier at Columbia. The average is also much higher.

And I know it will be hard to believe, but an above average at best would be enough to be one of the hotter girls on campus at Columbia.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Patrice O'neal

A red pilled god was a big black man. I don't "red pill" people but I have turned them on to Elephant in the Room.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

He had it all figured out.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Get upstairs, Susan, warm my bed up, warm my bed and feed my babies with your giant white titties while I go look your husband in the face and decide whether or not to sell him. You know your wife's upstairs, warming up my bed, don't you...Phillip?"

[–]skystar8610 points11 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Why would you date someone "woke" in the first place? It seems like a losing game and a stupid thing to do.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

The best way to do all this is to just be able to defend yourself if you have to; see the angles so that you don't get taken advantage of. Also don't play to take advantage of others. In this your only path would be to "gain value" and have fun with the process and the people you spend time with.

Most people fuck it up because they stop being giving to others. They got hurt and let the next couple of people pay the price until they see they are fucking over the people they say they care about. Not on purpose, but out of fear.

[–]skystar861 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Don't they not care about hurting the next person because they think the other person is evil or disloyal by nature? That means that it's hopeless for that relationship and it's a potential disaster.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Of course they care about not hurting them. IT's just both men and women who are "woke" do not fucking get the other gender, so don't understand what they are doing is effecting their spouse in a negative way.

And when you are defensive with your partner, how easy is it to be more giving?

[–]skystar861 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But don't woke people say things like calling the opposite gender entitled for wanting anything good in a relationship? It's hard to think that the woke woman who divorce rapes her spouse has any other intention but hurting the spouse.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Like I said "woke" people do not fucking get the opposite sex. Its why there's a saying Get Woke, Go Broke, because they get it so fucking wrong even though they feel they're so fucking right that it breaks shit.

[–]Raii-v2The Best Pill is Gold0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean, I’d like to think you give freely of yourself while not trusting anyone 100%

Idk if trust is really a prerequisite for having love. Maybe being comfortable, but not love it itself

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is my attitude exactly. I give freely, on my own terms, without expecting anything in return. Sometimes people surprise me, but it feels good even if they don't.

[–]RandomAttackHelpMe5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd stay as far as fuck away from anyone woke person, not that I think I need to get the magical cookie for everything I do, but nothing you do will be good enough for them and they will fuck you over the first chance they get.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But to be honest, it seems women are okay with that.

we are. men are overestimating themselves.

[–]toysjoeMGTOW20 points21 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

More MGTOWs

More mass killings targeting women Elliot Rodgers style

More single mothers using more welfare

Increased taxation

Later retirement

Importing uncultured, uneducated people from the third-world to replace the native population who have no interest in maintaining a family and have kids

Increased violence on the streets

Increased mental illness, drug abuse, and alcohol abuse

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

later retirement

Most mgtows follow minimalism and shoot for early retirement. Very early retirement.

Without kids in tow, do men even need full time jobs?

[–]theoracleofosiris10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Can concur. Am mgtow. Am semi retired in my 30s.

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Me too brother. Having F.U money is awesome

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol Damn. Bleak AF.

[–]TheLongerCon16 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I believe what we're seeing is an increase in variance in dating success, just like we've started to see an increase in variance in income. Increases in variances of outcome are usually caused by technology, in this case, social media and the internet which have been incredibly disruptive.

No one can say with any real certainty what the result will be, if I had to guess from history I would say:

  • Increased mass shootings and domestic terrorism.

  • Increased in the number of young men turning to extremist ideologies.

  • Increased poltical polarization and nationalism.

  • General decline in academic achievements in western nations as young men focus more on social skills and fitness than making a high income.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That final points a big deal. All of the traits of quality men are going to get weeded out in favor or traits that get you laid. That's potentially dangerous for many reasons.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19930 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

um, so men turn their violence on the innocent? entitled demons.

[–]TheLongerCon2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

An incredibly small percentage of incels will, yes. But it doesn't take much to cause a big impact.

Call all men entitled demons, is just as pointless as calling all muslims terrorist.

[–]analt223No Pill20 points21 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

The problem will only get worse. There are fewer and fewer frontiers to explore to keep feminism propped up. Historically even in prior feminist waves, men still had new places to go to establish some level of masculinity that was enough for women to find dateable/marriage material/casually fuckable.

Women in their 20s and 30s are doing better than men in just about every way, and I dont see that changing anytime soon. Most "frontiers" these days are projected to shrink the workforce, not increase it. Fewer families, fewer social bonds between men and women (Platonic and definitely sexual), fewer social bonds of friendship between neighbors and local people, etc.

Social media kinda just upped this. Its telling when younger people are staying inside on weekends playing dumb video games, watching dumb streams, or netflixing (alone btw, very few people actually do 'netflix and chill' garb) while the old people go out to some party. Then guess who actually feel more energized and fulfilled after?

I love how people think gender roles are going away. No, its just fewer people are adopting them, and it makes everyone less attractive to each other for dating, sex, and even friendship. So i suppose they are "going away", but they aren't changing what some people really want: to get rid of gender roles but still be popular/liked/sexually respected/etc.

[–]skystar867 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It's their choice not to go outside. You act like there's no parks or outdoor places to hang around. People can go out places alone. It's funner to go out alone to begin with because then you never get some whiner saying they aren't in the mood. You can do whatever you want.

[–]analt223No Pill11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most places are seeing less and less people. A place is only fun to 'hang around' if there are people there to talk/do stuff with/etc.

Also thats not really what i meant by frontier

[–]DampRat2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Going out alone is always a mistake when you're male. Best case you'll look creepy and annoy people with your presence, worst case you'll get drunk and get in a fight.

[–]skystar864 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Having fun is more important than some random stranger's fee fees. Creepy is an overused word and someone who thinks you have no right to go places alone is a moron who's feelings should not be validated.

[–]smuthound12 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you want to go out to a place, go. Worrying about whether people will see you as creepy or pathetic is in itself very pathetic, you gotta do something with your time beyond jerking off to porn.

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

while the old people go out to get some party

Honestly i can't hate on the youth for ditching the club scene. If i had tinder back then i would've used that instead of going to those horrible places

[–]rus9384Misanthrope6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Then would get no matches, say "fuck that" and get to parties again?

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I always get matches. Nice snarky shaming attempt tho.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's withing your demography where you are getting matches. I am pretty Tinder sure sex ratios are less skewed for older people.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I also think the antagonistic relationship between the genders is causing them to be more divisive similar to the political spectrum.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I love how people think gender roles are going away. No, its just fewer people are adopting them

Isn't that essentially the same thing?

[–]analt223No Pill0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

read the rest of the fucking post.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If I hadn't I wouldn't be fucking responding.

[–]analt223No Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then youd realize that its not really what people mean when they say ending gender roles. This style just makes everyone miserable, lonely, and pissed

[–]LotBuilder12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s not that guys can’t get dates... it’s that the juice is not worth the squeeze. What’s the end goal? What’s in it for them? What’s the modern US woman bringing to the table long term? The current state of marriage in the western world isn’t a great deal for men. It’s not men convincing other men of this... it’s men getting burned and then finding their way to TRP and MGTOW.

FWIW- there are plenty of women at get burned and swear off men but nobody notices or cares.

[–]MrsChiliadRed Pill Woman | Pro-Patriarchy4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I hope women will slowly realize the trap that feminism is, and that they will start to be a little more self critical. It’s gonna be the only way to find a good men once more of them realize the reality of our culture.

[–]AggravatingTartlet17 points18 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

This is weird. I have a brother in his late 20s. He, and almost all of his friends have girlfriends. Almost all of the couples have bought houses together. Some of them have gotten married. A few have babies.

I'm talking about most of his large circles of friends from schools. We're talking about fifty or sixty young men. Of various looks and heights and jobs. They have frequent BBQs and get togethers. A few are single--buy choice as far as I can tell. They are often good looking young men who like to travel a lot and who have had girlfriends in the past.

What I see here at PPD is young men who for whatever reason didn't get girlfriends. It's not the usual. I think the fact that they can all get together and support each other online is what is making them think that most men are going through this. And yes, they are everywhere, spreading their sad feelings or bitter feelings on youtube, twitter and the manosphere.

I'm sad for them.

There must be a lot of lonely single women out there who are not getting together in the same way, so they are not visible.

[–]TheLongerCon19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You don't really have any good insight into how well those relationships are going. Most men won't tell you their relationship problems unless you're extremely close with them, and most couples put up an appearance of happiness even when they're not.

That's not to say none of them happy, but 60 friends? I doubt even your brother can accurately gauge how well their love life is going. I've been shocked at how many times a relationship I thought was picturesque were revealed to rotten underneath upon further inspection.

I've also noticed women in many instances overestimate how well a given man in her social circle does with women.

What I see here at PPD is young men who for whatever reason didn't get girlfriends. It's not the usual. I think the fact that they can all get together and support each other online is what is making them think that most men are going through this

The GSS clearly points towards the male sexlessness rate is increased, by 3 fold in the last decade I believe.

I understand why you're playing the "this is all the incels" card. You paint anyone who disagrees with you as a loser by definition because if they weren't, they'd be having an awesome sex life and so would all of their friends.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

male sexiness rate is increased

Sexlessness you mean?

[–]TheLongerCon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, thank you.

[–]MyDogLovesCorn[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Late 20's? Yeah, then he developed at a time well past the present supremacy of Tinder and social media. Even 4 years makes a huge difference. When I was a freshman, I would say like ~10% of the girls on my campus used Tinder. It shot to over 40% or something (or felt like) by the time I left...

[–]AggravatingTartlet3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The supremacy of tinder, eh? My brother is 27 and tinder has been a thing for years. Things might have gotten worse, though.

[–]HennythepainawayI don't even like Henny8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Getting girlfriends is easy. Finding a quality one is tougher. Accumulating a small harem is toughest.

[–]AggravatingTartlet3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Getting girlfriends is easy. Finding a quality one is tougher. Accumulating a small harem is toughest.

Okay. That might be the most honest answer I've seen yet.

My bro and friends seem to be happy with the girls they're with though.

[–]HennythepainawayI don't even like Henny8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good for them. I hope they make it.

The problem is too many people get complacent. Then in 10-15 years they're unhappy and they get divorced. As long as they both keep trying, they have a decent shot at a long marriage. But that's all for another thread.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You need to be able to attract a soft harem to have proof of concept. If you aren't attractive to many it's a 1 off.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You may be onto something. Most of the young men I know have girlfriends and seem happy with their women. But the change I see is lower paying jobs and no one wants marriage because who can even afford a family anymore? It's all apartments and dogs.

[–]AggravatingTartlet3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My brother and friends are all either college educated or are in trades. They're all doing ok, esp since hooking up with their girlfriends, because together, the couples can afford to buy a house. (maybe not near their work - some are buying and renting the house out for now)

[–]largepaycheckaddict2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Why is this? It almost seems like the powers that be are now pricing us out of our will to carry on our legacy via family and children. Birth rates in 1st world western countries are borderline suicidal right now.

People in the news are always talking about the “aging populations” of the suburbs, but it seems like it’s due to the fact that no one can afford to marry, have 3 kids, a house, a car etc..

It honestly feels like an elaborate smoke and mirrors system of soft genocide/eugenics.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not a plot by boomers to soft genocide, it's poor planning by boomers who sent all our jobs overseas.

[–]largepaycheckaddict0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was thinking more it’s the elites doing some social engineering/pop control.

[–]Jasontheperson0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It honestly feels like an elaborate smoke and mirrors system of soft genocide/eugenics.

Ah yes, the white genocide the alt right is so afraid of.

[–]PickUpScientistMaroon Pill5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There is another explanation I'm surprised you didn't consider; that people that are popular tend to hang out with each other. Your brother's friends are not a very good sample of the general public.

It's not the usual.

It is 25% of men under 30, last I read. Definitely not the usual, but not a proportion all that insignificant either.

[–]AggravatingTartlet5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, maybe they are mostly popular people.

If that many young men are single, then I'm betting a lot of young women are single, too.

[–]PickUpScientistMaroon Pill4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe the figure I saw was also a record high for women under 30 as well, although not quite as extreme as one in four.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

for whatever reason

No, this not correct until, you realise this isn't s bug, but a feature you're in denial. Regardless of your sampling bias.

[–]AggravatingTartlet0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

sampling bias

Yes, it is a sampling bias. No argument.

this isn't s bug, but a feature

Why is it a feature? You think someone deliberately planned for young men (and women) to be alone?

[–]baldandshortcel0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

There are lots of women out there who are fine with being alone if they can't get a perfect guy. The guys who are complaining can't get those women because they can't meet her standards

[–]AggravatingTartlet1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The guys who are complaining can't get those women because they can't meet her standards

Okay fair enough. It's sad to be alone when you don't want to be and can't seem to improve your situation.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

One interesting aspect of this stuff going mainstream is that women are coming across it on the internet, too. If women are smart, they will start to develop some true counter-game of their own (not the pathetic shit that passes as "girl game" on the RPW sub).

I first encountered TRP/PUA stuff 10 years ago, when I was OLD. After getting over the initial "wtf dating is hopeless if men really think of me this way" phase, I accepted it, then reverse-engineered it to suit my life goals. At the time, my goal was marriage + kids with an attractive man who was good in bed and wanted to be a SAHD. I calculated that I needed to begin the search immediately if I wanted to maximize my chances of securing such a husband by my late 20s. So I looks-maxed myself, learned how to flirt, and made sure that I set aside time for dating even though I had to maintain a 3.8+ GPA to meet my career goals. Above all, I paid attention to what actually attracts men and developed a realistic understanding of my own SMV (men are attracted to a woman's intelligence but not her career, men are attracted to strong women as long as we are positive and upbeat, etc). And then I learned how to filter, screen, target, etc.

I approached dating with an entrepreneurial spirit and actually landed Mr. Right ahead of schedule. So I successfully hacked the system...and then shortly after, my life took a completely unanticipated left turn, and I changed so much as a person that I no longer wanted marriage + kids, after all. But if that was still my goal, I sure hit the jackpot and in a weird way, I actually owe it all to stumbling upon TRP 10 years ago!

[–]Hace_XVIII2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fuck...it’s almost terrifying just how precise you were about this and kinda amazing at the same time

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why? Ten years ago, when I stumbled upon TRP, they were advising that women should spend their pre-wall years looking for a husband instead of riding the cock carousel. I simply followed their advice. Not sure why I’m being downvoted for this...

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How did you filter the men who would be interested in career women? What do you mean by target? Did you approach?

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mainly did OLD. I “approached” by messaging guys first (idk if that really counts as an approach though). I also posted personals on Craigslist (this was 10 years ago, okay!) and answered personals on CL as well.

I didn’t filter for men who would be interested in career women. I didn’t need to. I mentioned my career in my profile (tying it to my overall interest in science), and guys who were turned off by that simply didn’t engage with me.

Instead, I filtered for guys who were LTR-minded, had their shit together, but weren’t as career-driven as me (i.e. guys who worked to live as opposed to guys who lived to work). Since I was, unfortunately, a bit of a degree snob back then, I targeted engineers, programmers, teachers, accountants, government employees, and sales reps. I deliberately avoided doctors, lawyers, finance guys, academics, and entrepreneurs.

And then within that I actively sought guys who were liberal, non-religious, and non-traditional (not looking for a stay at home wife).

[–]loke2dabrainonthexans ☠11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Mgtow will help men take their power back.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sales for porn, weed, alcohol, and video games will continue to increase. The problem is still mostly overblown as the happy content dudes are less likely to form online groups about how happy and content they are. Buttt those new statistics coming out about male sexlessness dont bode well for the future

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I wonder if Fidelity has a porn, weed, alcohol, video games mutual fund?

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Give me a low cost ETF over a mutual fund any day. Most fund managers don't beat the market anyhow, and if they did they wouldn't be working for a hedge fund, not a mutual fund so why bother with their higher fees anyway

Restaurant profits are WAY up and grew in the past 20 years more than the population increased.

Get in on fast food and food "products" this shit is the future as people become more unhealthy and want convenient garbage food over healthy options.

Gyms will keep doing better as people sign up to look like their IG God's but quit after the new year high wears off and the gyms will go to the banks with their profits

Clothing companies too. Fast fashion is dominating the world and there's a huge untapped market in the developing world as the slowly become more industrialized and buy more and more clothes that cost fractions of s penny to produce and make the corporations filthy rich.

  • If they're making money, why not invest in something we know is safe and projected to grow independent of the economy barring economic catastrophes

[–]Oberon_Swanson2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think many, many more men won't be keen to be "good stable providers" when they find out just how many women don't really LOVE these men, only use them.

Also, divorce is fucking NASTY for men. I know a lot of dudes are already way way more wary of it marriage than they seemed to be 20 years ago.

A woman might not marry a man intending to divorce him. But divorce is SUCH a good deal for women in general.

It's like if someone came and offered you a million dollars to not hang out with your best friend anymore. No way, you might say. Then they say it's a standing offer and you can cash in any time. All of the sudden you start to re-evaluate your relationship with this person every time they do something slightly imperfect. It eats away at your relationship knowing you could have the money and just get a new best friend easily enough.

I think a lot of men already know. Women have guys they meet that they go gaga for, and will sleep with right away. And guys they make jump through hoops and "earn" their love. And they feel like, that love you have to "earn" isn't real, just an act to keep you giving them stuff and doing things for them.

All in all I think for men the dating market is more and more obviously like the massive asymmetry between potential employer vs. employee.

The potential employee does the applying to the job and has to prove themselves. Employers don't need to approach employees much because they have a constant avalanche of potential employees applying. The same is true with men needing to approach women and women very rarely asking men out.

I think the only people slow to change their opinion will be older people who have zero idea what the dating world is like since they just married their high school sweethearts and stay in abusive relationships due to social pressure. But young people really don't think of dating the same way older people do. They grow up being told that stuff but it is shoved in their face pretty fast. The only thing they mightb still believe is that people get less shallow when they're older so they won't be stuck dealing with vain, petty people as potential partners.

[–]MuleFool425 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The result will be more men forgoing relationships and especially marriage. More MGTOW. Men will have sexual relationships with a few FWBs or exes that they trust, but by and large will not prioritize relationships. There have always been 'bachelors' but they were roundly shamed. Now, being a bachelor, or MGTOW, or RP'd male is more common and while it's not maybe accepted by society, yet, it's at least understood by people who've been divorced and completely screwed by family and divorce court, #MeToo'd at their workplace, been wrung up at a college tribunal, or what have you. If they haven't experienced it themselves, they know a father, brother, uncle, or friend that has been destroyed by the system.

It's really not about women and dating, it's more about understanding how society sees men and how society will make men responsible and accountable for things that really should have shared accountability and responsibility. Men are starting to understand that in order for certain things to be 'fair', they need to adopt a lifestyle that mitigates most risks.

So, it's not about dating, it's about being RP and understanding how society views you as a male, and how, if possible, society will go after you, as a man, first and foremost.

More men are waking up to these realities and are concluding that it's just not worth it.

On top of that, you get into the online dating world, and men realize that it's more trouble than its worth. Edit: Relationships are hard to obtain and largely only offer risk(s), so it's basically lose/lose for men.

I predict that we will have more and more men, with each generation, deciding to pretty much go it alone and only invest in themselves, and their close, mostly male friendships.

[–]ThatGamer7072 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, that is me exactly. I have no probs getting sex. However, my thing is the unfair laws and how society favors women subs like these woke me up to it.

I refuse to get married or at least sign the certificate. I will have a ceremony tho.

[–]SkrattGoddess10 points11 points  (34 children) | Copy Link

incel jokes are no longer relegated to incel boards, and I'm starting to even see this shit on Worldstarhiphop, gaming streams, YouTube comments, and the comment section of conservative news sites (FOX, Daily Caller, Dailymail, etc).

Yep. Incels are taking over every site and comment section on the internet like roaches infesting a house. It's getting worse and worse.

[–]MyDogLovesCorn[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Incels are taking over every site and comment section on the internet like roaches infesting a house.

Um no, that's my whole point. These are REGULAR men posting this shit.

[–]OatsGYOWMGTOW[🍰] 25 points26 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The stigma of incel has been dulled down to nothing thanks to people tossing it around like a hot potato... kind of like you are doing right here.

[–]Mystery_Tragic8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I've noticed in other boards whenever the subject of incel comes up the definition seems to have stretched to: "A man who has a criticism towards a woman or women, no matter how small."

Instead of a warning sign against the very worst of men, it's become a shaming tactic towards men. Diluting the strength of the word through over-labelling.

[–]backstable1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, ever since that incel in Toronto rammed into a bunch of guys and the term became mainstream. It was so predictable, it's been just over a year

[–]RLskeleton1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Kind of like what the word “racist “ has become.

[–]catbrainlandcucklord1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In 2019, incel is the new neonazi.

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's something a nazi white supremacist would say😂

Seriously tho, words mean nothing anymore.

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shit, not just incels. But average men who probably aren't incels are getting fed up. I try to stay off fb, but some of the comment sections of public pages have become absolutely dumpster fire.

And i thought reddit was bad😯

[–]I_CAPE_RUNTS5 points6 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

30% of men are incels and that number is growing so of course that will start to be reflected outside of incel communities

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

Woah, 30 percent of men are incels??

[–]I_CAPE_RUNTS7 points8 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

The 30% isn’t the interesting part. It’s the rate that they are increasing that makes it interesting.

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/D8FWwcf

And of course the knee jerk reaction is that they’re volcel, and even if that were true (it’s not), the increase has and will continue to happen, so you can take whatever % you feel comfortable calling an incel, that number and rate will still continue to increase. And ask any guy if they inflate their sexual numbers and they’ll tell you of course it happens. So that scientific study number is likely to be higher. Incels aren’t going anywhere. Theyre here to stay and they are growing in size.and that will be reflected in online communities. They’re not going away.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (20 children) | Copy Link

Oh, that is just in one year. That is not incel, that is a dry period.

[–]I_CAPE_RUNTS3 points4 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

. The number has tripled over 10 years. So it’s a 10 year dry period. And increasing. How long of a dry period does it need to be before you stop dismissing it and admit that it’s incel?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy Link

It's not on the graph you sent me that 30% of men have not been laid in ten years. Is there a ten year graph?

[–]I_CAPE_RUNTS1 point2 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

this the second time I’m asking- how long does a dry period have to last before you admit that it’s incel? If you don’t want to answer, that’s cool, I’m just making sure that you didnt forget or maybe you glossed over the question. So, one again, how long does a dry spell have to last before you admit that it’s incel? And again, you are allowed to refuse to answer. Just be upfront about it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

I went without sex for MANY years. Am not incel. Many people hold off due to religious reasons or they are just busy getting their feet on the ground. Lots of people (perhaps skewing the study) do not get laid because they live at home. Those are not incels either.

To answer your Super Important Question of How Long: it is up to the individual to decide. If they are volcel or incel is a matter of mind. Data does not ask the dry period men if they were celibate because they were in prison.

[–]I_CAPE_RUNTS1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

it seems like you might be confused, so I’m going to say right now that every question is a Super Important Question.

it’s important to make that distinction in a dialogue, and to suggest otherwise, or to dismiss a question, is to admit that you’re not really that interested in having a dialogue with someone. And that’s totally ok, just be upfront about it. Just say ” I don’t want to answer your question” ....btw Your questions are Super Important Questions too and will also be addressed if you’d still like to continue.

So, to clarify, First you insisted that none of those surveyed are incel. Now you are saying that it is up to their mind if they are incel or volcel. Which is to admit that you don’t know if they are incel or not. What made you change your mind?

Also, for you to say incel or volcel is a matter of mind, is an interesting theory. Wouldn't it be the same thing as saying they are all volcel? Isnt volcel literally the definition of having one’s mind make the choice to be celibate?

[–]ThatGamer7070 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A dry period is not a year... A year is a long ass time to have no sex. If you can't get sex in a year you are an incel lol...

[–]Sticky1Brick15 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because there are literally more male virgins now

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

People just never listen I've always discussed all these things in a way that prophetic & people can't comprehend it until it happens. I said that the definition of incels should change because it doesn't take much for ordinary men to fall into scarcity & everyone scoffed.

[–]DrTushfinger3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The dating scene is boring and overly-transactional. Most people are not worth getting to know at an intimate level, and there are other things in life besides spending all that time and money for an unfulfilling relationship. I think the paradox is that we’ve leveled the playing field for the sexes in many ways but in doing so we’ve cheapened and commodified relationships. It’s all a bit dreary and I get why people, men especially, distance themselves from the whole thing. Focus on bettering yourself in the meantime and hey maybe someone special will come along at just the right time in the future.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Capitalism commodified relationships like to does with everything & injects class struggle into everything. Then women took it to another level with selfishness.

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker16 points17 points  (35 children) | Copy Link

I find it hard to sympathize with men complaining about dating when so many of them seem to be expecting first date sex these days.

[–]Sticky1Brick131 points32 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Most guys aren't even getting first dates

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 1993-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

so? they arent entitled to it.

[–]baldandshortcel9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The guys who can actually get dates aren't the ones complaining. believe it or not there's plenty of guys who want romance, they just aren't in the top 20%

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sure. I have sympathy for non-misogynist incels who want romance because I used to be one myself. I just get the impression listening to most young, struggling guys in the manosphere that they want to be Chad and get casual sex or first date sex like he does.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I have sympathy for non-misogynist incels who want romance because I used to be one myself.

Please tell us how you came out of it?

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am very socially awkward, and to get around this I started chatting with women online for extended periods of time before meeting them. I was no longer as socially awkward once I eventually met these women in real life since most of the getting to know each other stuff had already been done online.

Basically, I am hopeless at real life approaches and that's why I was an incel. Note that this was back in the early 90's when online communication was just becoming a thing.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT19 points20 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Even if that was true, how hard is it to sympathize when at the end of the day you get pretty much everything you expect from dating? Yet its hard to sympathize for someone who simply wants a fraction of what youre able to get?

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I read the thread posted on this sub earlier and was shaking my head at the number of guys who said they would dump a woman who didn’t put out on the first date.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How is it hard to sympathize with someone who wants sex on the first date when if you want it all you have to do is say yes to it.

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure what you mean. My whole point is that these men who struggle to get dates, once they get them, are expecting heavy physical intimacy on the first date. I don't have much sympathy for these men when they don't get second dates.

[–]HennythepainawayI don't even like Henny2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do 3 dates unless she's really inexperienced. I'll wait a couple of more in that scenario.

[–]SerorimanCombat-grade nerd5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It's not reasonable, but it's also something that some men actually get, and I've also been ghosted by 2 women before for not being aggressive enough and not trying to fuck them on the first date. It's a weird world out there.

Men didn't come up with this expectation on their own.

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I suppose that there are women like this. I had an opportunity for casual sex one time with a woman, didn't take it because I'm not into that, and she basically never talked to me again except for saying "Hello" once in a while. I think she took it that I didn't find her desirable enough.

I still think that the majority of women want some kind of romance, though, and the only reason that they are having sex so soon into dating is that they're afraid of losing a high-quality man. Lesser men hear about these high-quality men's exploits and try to emulate them, and thus I don't care if they end up complaining about their lack of dating success because they probably ended up coming across as overly sexual and creepy rather than romantic on the few first dates that they had.

[–]SerorimanCombat-grade nerd2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Being turned down for sex when they're offering is considered a brutal insult by many women. It's a case of "Am I suddenly not attractive anymore, men should want to fuck me" and "How dare he?", sometimes paired with frustration.

The entire thing creates a pretty broken dynamic for dating, with more relationship-oriented men crashing and burning for not being sufficiently aggressive and with relationship-oriented women being put into a position where they can either go farther than they'd like and/or cheapen themselves OR losing high-value men.

For what it's worth I'd still suggest not fucking on the first date, BUT providing other value to the man you're dating (such as actually replying to texts if he doesn't go overboard and not playing hard to get when he tries to line up more dates - making him jump through hoops is just something some put up with to fuck, not something a man that actually wants a relationship should put up with).

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think that a woman needs to gradually escalate the physical intimacy with a man to show that she is romantically interested, but that the sex itself shouldn't happen until they are in love with each other, or at least have some kind of strong emotional bond that is close to love. I don't think that men should take being alone with a woman as an invitation for sex, but if a man and woman are alone together and are not at least cuddling, then I would question their mutual romantic interest in each other.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea, things are broken for alot of reasons.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

From cute skinny chicks

[–]PickUpScientistMaroon Pill2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

It seems bizarre to me that anyone would expect the small group of men who run the gauntlet of modern dating requirements and actually come out victorious to have any other strategy besides pumping and dumping, especially when the majority of those requirements seem specifically designed to filter out men with any kind of genuine interest (aka thirst).

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

You think that a man who tries to be romantic comes across as thirsty?

[–]PickUpScientistMaroon Pill1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

definitely. i can think of few things that would be considered romantic that wouldn't come off as thirsty. you can play it smart by pretending not to like someone, but once you get good enough at a game with such tacky and unromantic rules you tend to become the role you were made to play.

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

The idea is that she's supposed to be just as romantically into you. If she's not, then the relationship is a fail, just like it would be if you are sexually into her and she is not into you. I don't see how romantic thirst works any different than sexual thirst, except that the first seems more meaningful to me.

[–]PickUpScientistMaroon Pill2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

correct. but if she is interested in you romantically, and you make some kind of grade-A goof up like saying "I like you" before you've fucked, her interest in you will evaporate like a drop of water in the Sahara Desert. that's a good rule for screening out both desperate weirdos and regular guys that just actually like you.

i like the game, its fun, i just think that its odd to demand people that pump and dump and then complain when it happens. i guess that's just one of those gender differences i'll never wrap my mind around.

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

but if she is interested in you romantically, and you make some kind of grade-A goof up like saying "I like you" before you've fucked, her interest in you will evaporate like a drop of water in the Sahara Desert.

Huh? Women aren't like this at all from my experience. Most want to be liked before they have sex, because then they feel like they are less likely to be pumped and dumped.

[–]Goes_Down_on_Women1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It goes like this: women absolutely want to be desired but it is contingent on her desire for the man staying at a higher level than the man's desire for her at all times.

This is why men must instigate sex and women must instigate commitment. When the dance is done properly a relationship happens. A man desiring sex and commitment from a woman breaks the game. Sex is the only impetus for women to demand commitment otherwise they stay ambivalent towards the man.

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't think any of what you wrote precludes a man desiring commitment before sex. He just shouldn't appear to want the commitment more than the woman. Otherwise he comes across as needy, which is unattractive to her. But the man appearing to desire commitment at a lesser level than her is more likely to make a woman trust him for sex, because she won't be fearing a pump-and-dump scenario as much.

[–]Goes_Down_on_Women1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fair enough. I have yet to meet a young sexually desirable woman that desires such commitment early on though. Only after sex will they have a retroactive desire to have secured commitment earlier. Of course older women have learned this lesson and plan accordingly.

[–]MyDogLovesCorn[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's funny because every woman who I didn't smash during our first 1-on-1 NEXTED me.

[–]Christian_Kong80% Natural Red6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Thats kind of the process for a lot of dating. A large percentage of typically (typically 20somethings)women date guys they know they want to have sex with on the first date. It's only expected because it happens all the time. If you look at most any non-religious forum topic asking women this you will find well above %70 do this. If you deal with younger women enough you should know this to be true as well. The guys dumping girls who don't put out on the first date are the ones who have plenty of options. The only dudes I have ever known to complain about things like not putting out on the first date or having to wear condoms or things of that nature are the guys I know who get the most girls.

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Sure, whatever. I still don't have any sympathy for men who fail at dating who aren't willing to establish an emotional bond first. I don't care if some attractive men are getting first date sex. Do it the right way and romance a woman or I'm just going to continue to ignore the plight of today's men.

[–]oneprettycoolcat9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do it the right way and romance a woman or I'm just going to continue to ignore the plight of today's men.

lmao

[–]Christian_Kong80% Natural Red6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women don't want and don't need romance other than the romance they make up in their heads.

[–]lIllIlllIl 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

I have zero sympathy for you.

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's fine. It's easy to find women who want to wait for a relationship to have sex.

[–]ThatGamer7070 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Different sets of guys...

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This post is depressing. I need to go fuck a bitch.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

First, go lift.

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm right already ahead of ya on that one.

[–]MamaTR1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Could it be that many men have been lied to by movies and tv shows that we will all end up with supermodels when in reality the average women has a BMI of over 20. Everyone likes to think they are above average but in reality about half of us are below average and most are basically average. And we don’t see below average women on tv or movies, only the 9-10 range

[–]skystar864 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Relationships will get worse for women and that will cause women to drop out later. Whenever a partner gets woke on gender it always causes the relationship to fail. Why do you think there was the divorce epidemic? Because women got woke on gender. Men getting woke on gender will make terrible partners.

[–]Maybelowsmv 1 points [recovered]  (10 children) | Copy Link

I have a feeling men have always complained??

Nothing will happen really (esp in the west), and if something did happen, wouldn't it just be a case of having a tighter hold on maintaining a patriarchy?

Maybe MGTOW for guys who can't be bothered

Maybe White Shariah for those weird alt-righters

Maybe just laughing it off and continuing on for normies

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

In the past leftover dudes would just die in a war or large scale famine/pestilence. 32 black on WWIII rendering this whole issue pointless but after that WWIV is based in the neo stone age.

[–]Maybelowsmv 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

leftover dudes in the future will get state-mandated anime sex dolls

[–]TheLongerCon9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Or maybe go shoot up a walmart.

Or elect xenophobic alt-right politicians to office.

[–]Iron-Giant1692 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Little of column a little of column b

[–]HennythepainawayI don't even like Henny2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just wait until we get Blade Runner esque replicas

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe White Shariah for those weird alt-righters

https://i.imgur.com/yIkGJ6N.jpg

[–]Jasontheperson0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck this alt right bullshit.

[–]ThatGamer7071 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Political action in the forms of mens rights will arise is the most likely outcome. Maybe a menimism thing similar to feminism but for men.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men have always complained about lack of women, but has been the first tome these men could easily communicate by the hundreds of thousands and growing. Also that number of dissatisfied men is growing too. In the past when men didnt have access to women, they took. Just look at the beginings of rome. Rome was started by a bunch of rowdy incels getting together and stealing other people's women.

We only think nothing will happen because most people cling to the status quo. Im sure 150 years ago no one thought feminism would happen either.

[–]TheLongerCon4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if the French or American Revolution would have been possible without the invention of the printing press.

[–]TheMarbleSlab4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why is it considered “woke” to hate women? I know so many good, nice, loving and kindhearted women who are rejected simply for being below a 7/10.

Men need to stop exclusively going after Stacy’s. Maybe then they will stop being hurt.

[–]69XxXCuckboyXxX691 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men get rejected for being below 9/10 so what's the problem. Nature seeks out the best genes, that's it.

[–]kandyapplezincel larping as a thot7 points8 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

men have always known that they have to try much harder than women in courtship, hence like all of the courtship norms that we have now rooted in centuries of practice lol? the difference now is men are less masculine and just complain about EVERYTHING more. the rejects of society have more space to openly discuss things with each other. its quite gross really

men aren't going anywhere because you can't intellectualize yourself out of the desire for love and sex lol. try chopping your balls off, maybe thatll help

[–]Xombie09914 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Or go where hookers are legal

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

For real the price of an average hooker has dropped to nearly half what it was and it's getting legalized in more and more places.

If the "love" you get feels more and more like a job interview followed by being a workhorse why would it be worth it?

[–]Xombie09910 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Legalized in more places? They are trying to get rid of it in Nevada here in the US. And thats they only state it is legal in.

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Except it's legal in Canada now. Being illegal in the states means fuck all if you can drive across the least protected border on earth for it.

[–]Xombie09910 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's legal to sell and not buy it. Meaning a girl can sell you sex then call the cops on you for it.

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah but that's not how it goes a lot of the time. In theory its a sketchy buisness that's been legalized. In practice a lot of whorehouses advertise in the newspaper classifieds while legally being another buisness alltogether. They have bills to pay and a lot Only take cash up front so theres not exactly a paper trail leading back to anyone.

[–]Xombie09910 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So you're telling me they won't rat me out, even if they won't get in trouble, because it's bad for business? Are you Canadian? Do you know people who have gotten hookers there?

[–]kandyapplezincel larping as a thot1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They want 2 ~feel wanted~ or whatever

[–]Xombie09912 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm an incel myself and don't care at this point

[–]Here4thebeer3232No Pill5 points6 points  (34 children) | Copy Link

The fact remains is that women are more fine with being single than men are. Women dont need men, but men believe they need women. This is reflected in that more divorced men remarry than divorced women. Based on that alone, women will have higher standards because as a man, you have to convince her that she is better off hanging out with you than her doing her own thing.

As for widespread backlash, I dont think it will come. People complain online and you will have the few isolated incidents. But the fact remains is that the overwhelming majority of men are having sex and are dating. The fact that they arent dating and having as sex as much as they feel they deserve is not a good call for revolution. Especially when men as a class still hold the majority of the cards for power.

[–]OverEasyFetus10 points11 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

Dude it's completely the opposite. It's men that don't need women. Only reason women need men less now is because of the welfare state and so many government programs that benefit them. I've never once found myself saying "I wish I had a woman around for this", other than of course for loneliness or sex. Your statement is some borderline feminist bullshit.

[–]badgersonice6 points7 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

It's men that don't need women.

This is part of why feminism happened. Men in power proclaimed that women they were useless and inferior for centuries. Feminism is, in part, women rejecting the conventional femininity that men insulted and rejected and apparently didn’t particularly appreciate much. If men don’t appreciate or need femininity, then why should a woman bother doing conventionally feminine work for a man who won’t appreciate her, when she can just support herself instead?

There’s more to it than that, but men’s centuries long degradation of femininity and women did contribute to many woman rejecting conventional gender roles.

[–]OverEasyFetus0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

It's because it's true. Women cannot handle life without men or without outside support. I have never seen a woman that just does it by herself, at least without some sort of help; an actual daddy that feels bad for her that gives her money, daddy gov gives her money for shitting a kid out, daddy gov gives her money for not being able to afford her apartment.

You are straight fucking wrong if you think women = men. They don't.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You don't know any single women who work a full time job?

[–]OverEasyFetus5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty much all of them.. You can thank feminism for making them think they need to be a corporate wage slave lol

[–]badgersonice2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I didn’t say women are identical to men? You made that up, along with your weird “daddy daddy daddy” nonsense.

I just said that women don’t want to do shit that men don’t appreciate and insult them for doing. Certainly comments like yours aren’t going to convince any women to get back in the kitchen just to be called useless and inferior. It doesn’t matter whether you think women are stupid and helpless: normal humans, including women, would rather do things that are useful and appreciated than do things that other people treat as worthless.

As for your attempt to insult women for being dependent on “daddy”: all normal humans are dependent on other humans. I’ve never seen a man who is truly totally independent and has just done it all by himself his whole life without any sort of help either. Only a truly mentally disturbed man never ever relies on other human beings ever. It’s like you think being the unabomber is something to aspire to.

[–]OverEasyFetus1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There is a difference between being emotionally dependent on people and being financially/physically dependent. Every human being needs emotional support, being financially/physically dependent is a thing enjoyed solely by men.

[–]badgersonice1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

being financially/physically dependent is a thing enjoyed solely by men.

I’m sure you meant to say independent, but I was talking about financial and physical dependence also. No man is an island, and only a moron thinks he achieved everything in his life all by himself. At bare minimum, all men depend on other men and women to keep the peace and spend money on their products and build their roads and sewers and buildings and farm their crops and provide medical care when they’re sick. A man who is not financially/physically dependent on others is a feral weirdo with no hope of ever enjoying his weak, pathetic “independence” that could easily be taken away by a few people depending on each other.

[–]ReachForTheSky_Prozac0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Remember that those 'men in power' oppressed and/or controlled the lives of all the men at the bottom of the pile as well as the women, which is nearly all men across time.

[–]badgersonice0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am quite aware that those same men in power also treated other men like crap. But that fact doesn't make the unappreciated, old-fashioned female gender-role any more appealing for modern women. Following traditional gender roles usually doesn't benefit women much at all today. Why bother doing all that unappreciated feminine traditional work if you can just support yourself instead of being degraded by men who really only care about how you look anyways? And it's not just the men on top, either-- plenty of average and below average guys think feminine tasks are for weak dummies.

[–]ThatGamer7070 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Irony because now the oppositte will happen with men.

[–]badgersonice0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

The opposite of what? Of rejecting traditional gender roles? It’s not ironic for men to try even harder to do masculine gender roles.

[–]ThatGamer7070 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

women rejecting the conventional femininity that men insulted and rejected and apparently didn’t particularly appreciate much

Now women are doing the same to men.

If men don’t appreciate or need femininity, then why should a woman bother doing conventionally feminine work for a man who won’t appreciate her, when she can just support herself instead?

Switch the genders and it sounds like MGTOW

[–]badgersonice0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Now women are doing the same to men.

Nah, women are adopting masculine traits like independence and assertiveness to survive in the modern world that doesn’t reward most traditional feminine traits. They’re not insulting traditionally masculine traits like assertiveness, athleticism, or leadership as somehow being stupid and inferior like so many men do with feminine traits.

Switch the genders and it sounds like MGTOW

Not exactly. Most women still like men and want to date them, they just don’t want to be dependent or submissive (read: obedient), and they don’t want to do feminine stuff that her man will just look down on her for doing anyways. There’s just no point in cultivating talents that aren’t valued and aren’t rewarded.

[–]ThatGamer7070 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Nah, women are adopting masculine traits like independence and assertiveness to survive in the modern world that doesn’t reward most traditional feminine traits

Women have always been more assertive than men since I have been alive at least. I don't know if you have ever worked a service job but women were more likely to be difficult customers.

They’re not insulting traditionally masculine traits like assertiveness, athleticism, or leadership as somehow being stupid and inferior like so many men do with feminine traits.

I disagree on your choice of traits. Most guys are not even athletic at all... Also, that is more of a physical ability than a personality trait.

Except women do insult leadership in men. They say men need to take a step back or let women run things, etc. I mean isn't that what the patriarchy is a failing of men in positions of power?

They insult male competitiveness, aggression, dominance, etc. In fact there is an article about it:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/masculinity-isnt-a-sickness-11547682809

Take for granted the protector/provider, courageous, ambitious, physical nature of men.

There are also plenty of feminine traits valued and plenty of articles about how men need to be more feminine.

[–]badgersonice0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Also, that is more of a physical ability than a personality trait.

Obviously I disagree: sports and athletic performance are strongly considered masculine: for example, girls who are more into sports are called Tomboys as a compliment while boys who aren’t into sports used to be called “girls” as an insult. In addition, Masculinity and femininity in general involve more than just personality. Men are obviously better athletes, but more importantly, public athletic performance (traditionally masculine) is infinitely more celebrated than domestic nurturing performance (traditionally feminine).

They say men need to take a step back or let women run things

First, not a lot of women are feminists, and second, you seem to not be using the standard definition of “insult”. Saying “please let women be part of society too” is not an insult. And “patriarchy” is not a word I would use to describe modern western civilization, so this is irrelevant to any of my comments.

Take for granted the protector/provider, courageous, ambitious, physical nature of men.

Men have for millennia taken the feminine nature of women for granted. Women don’t take those conventionally masculine traits for granted— those traits are highly regarded in society. That’s why women are doing them themselves now rather than passively waiting around hoping a man will give enough of a shit about her cooking and cleaning to provide those things for her.

[–]ThatGamer7070 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Tomboys as a compliment while boys who aren’t into sports used to be called “girls” as an insult.

Maybe I am in the US so it might be a different culture. Tomboys are usually more about girls who don't dress as girly and are just more rowdy in general. I have never heard guys who are not into sports called girls. Most guys are not participating in sports. It would probably help if they did though because many are in poor shape.

Men are obviously better athletes, but more importantly, public athletic performance (traditionally masculine) is infinitely more celebrated than domestic nurturing performance (traditionally feminine)

True, men are better athletes. Though only a small percent of men are actually athletes and get anywhere to actually be celebrated. Domestic nurturing is something any parent or older sibling can do. It is just a lot more commonplace so that is why it is not really celebrated.

Kind of like how men are not really celebrated for being the primary provider of a household. If anything they are punished by receiving worse custody rights during a custody battle.

Women don’t take those conventionally masculine traits for granted— those traits are highly regarded in society

But I showed you an article where a female psychologist was saying we need to stop demonizing those traits in boys and men.

I think a lot of feminine traits aren't as obnoxious so they might get less attention from a group of people. Though plenty of them are useful or payoff like being (social, attentive, graceful or thoughtful, etc.)

This helps women seem more approachable, friendly, honest, etc. than men in general. Which is part of the reason society thinks better of women than men in general... Sure some men and male traits are more celebrated but only a very few males get to experience that.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women need men, just not individual men, they need men as a collective. Especially good men to protect them from bad men

[–]OverEasyFetus7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, and it's funny how through feminism they are taking away the power from good men and handing it right over to bad men. It's like they have a fetish for being treated like shit and raped or something.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women need men to make smartphones so that they can advertise their premium snapchat

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie9 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Women dont need men, but men believe they need women. This is reflected in that more divorced men remarry than divorced women.

Women divorce and can't find another guy. Its a lack of options that they don't get remarried

Especially when men as a class still hold the majority of the cards for power.

They do and always will. Its not a revenge thing because I find it very tragic. But women will always pay. They want men to play the game with them. And when men collectively see that they win by NOT playing the game, that its the only way to win, women will end up with the bill.

Because women will not play men's game, even if they should to keep their marriage intact; they'd rather divorce. That's not standards. That's an inability to adapt and grow together.

[–]shonenhikada9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Women divorce and can't find another guy. Its a lack of options that they don't get remarried

What kind of BS am i reading?

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Its funny. My wife and I went up to Avon Colorado for our 11th wedding anniversary. We were having a great time at the bar in our resort and a old lady heard us talking. We were all pretty drunk and I swear she told my wife like 8 times don't divorce. It isn't worth it, it isn't worth it. She was a mess.

And I've known a few older women that...I don't know, they just couldn't find someone at "their level" so remained single in old age. They lack options because they priced themselves out of the market. None of them looked happy though.

[–]shonenhikada1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They don't lack options. They are just picky. Most women are delusional on what is "Their level". Remember hypergamy delude women.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but I say lack options because picky implies they are able to "lower their standards" to find someone that will take care of them. I'm coming to the conclusion women can't do that.

[–]HennythepainawayI don't even like Henny1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot don't understand that they are much less desirable than when they were young. Especially if they have kids. They expect a drop sure but not as much as the reality of it.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wrong.

[–]TheLongerCon3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The fact remains is that women are more fine with being single than men are. Women dont need men, but men believe they need women.

I don't know how there's any way to prove this one way or another, but 20% of women in the US report taking antidepresseants, and they attempt suicide at a higher rate than men. So I don't know if I'd say they're doing fine.

This is reflected in that more divorced men remarry than divorced women.

It could easily be the case that divorced women have a harder time remarrying.

But the fact remains is that the overwhelming majority of men are having sex and are dating

That doesn't really mean that's you're not going to see some backlash. It only takes a small minority to make a splash.

[–]theoracleofosiris3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men think they need women but they actually don’t.

Women think they don’t need men but actually they do.

[–]iamanenemyHopeless Romantic; Red-Leaning0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Trust me, you lot need men. Its reflected in damn near every dynamic.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Men have always complained about women being treacherous temptress harlot hussy thot staceys for not sleeping with them. That ain't "woke" lol.

[–]wellhellotherefellas21 points22 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Wow, what a strawman argument. Just throw in a couple dozen more buzzwords in while you're at it.

[–]catbrainland 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Just throw in a couple dozen more buzzwords in while you're at it.

I bet you can't even get laid, you virgin. Virgins are just creeps who don't like women, they are really just virgins. In fact, they're so pathetic because they're virgins that they can't even get laid, which leads to them not getting laid, which results in virginity which is the cause of their lame ideas and hating women. And the punishment for being so lame? Virginity. The problem with virginity is virginity. Incels can't lose their virginity because they're virgins so they remain virgins. If they'd just stop being virgins they wouldn't be virgins.

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband[M] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be civil.

[–]Nevidimka-0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah none of this sounds new except it happening on the internet

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

There will be a feedback loop of

More and more men realising women only good for sex > more and more men learning TRP > more and more men pumping and dumping until it becomes the norm > more and more women getting fed up and only pursuing relationships with Chads because theyd rather get the pump and dump treatment from them as opposed to the betas

This will keep strengthening the Chadgeoisie strangehold on the SMP until low and average SMV men riot.

Then we all realise the experiment of a deregulated SMP was unsustainable just the ssme as laissez-faire capitalism

[–]Sticky1Brick13 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Men don't just learn red pill and become able to pump and dump. Plenty of blue pill guys pump and dump already

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

More men would want to once they learn about female nature. Im not saying every guy would be able, not if theyre being honest to the woman, but if they just say whatever they have to amd string women along to get what they want, yeah, most guys could. Most guys can get a gf therefore most could use that as leverage to pump and dump

[–]Sticky1Brick1-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay, that clarifies it.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

complained about how shitty online dating and modern women are.

Girls don’t do what I want how I want. Boo hoo. My prediction? Winners will keep winning and crybabies will keep crying.

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater9 points10 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

There are fewer and fewer winners though. OLD is now gating off any perceived top guys behind a paywall for women and vice versa and that hurts them and cuts their options.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don’t think so. If anything, the problem is that some people seem to think they are going to get everything they want just how they want it. And when they don’t they can’t cope.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This preaching isn't going to get you anywhere.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

So catfish the hoes right back and pretend to be more successful than you are. No different than makeup pretending to be hotter than she is. Fight fire with fire my man

My friend did it and pretended to be a big wig at a bank when he was only an intern. The dick got so many more matches and his short ugly ethnic ass actually got laid within 2 or 3 weeks and he was only swiping on the toilet! haha

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men were doing this even 10 years ago, when I first got into OLD. Engineering technologists calling themselves engineers. Pre-meds calling themselves doctors. Pre-law calling themselves lawyers. Telemarketers calling themselves sales reps. Bank tellers calling themselves i-bankers. It was rare to find a guy in his 20s who DIDN'T lie about his job and education online.

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is certainly a strategy. I just walked away though.

[–]catbrainlandcucklord1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's the oldest trick in the book. Back in early 2000s I knew a dude who'd rent a sports car and suit, pretending it's his shit just to pull gold diggers for 2 nights straight and then show em the middle finger.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

He didn't make it look too hard. I'm seriously considering it. Didn't seem like much of a time investment either.

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Go for it dude. I'm not gonna moralize at you not to.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but the subtext here are that there are increasingly more losers and historically thats just not good. I dont see any palatable solutions to this that wont infringe on some peoples rights.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Open borders for young unmarried women willing to marry, government subsidized abortions of male fetuses and compensation for raising daughters. I mean, for all the pro abortion people, its just a clump of cells right? Who cares if its being terminated because it has a y chromosome, right?

[–]TheLongerCon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The open borders thing would be interesting, the literature shows the female immigrants receive less ire than male immigrants.

[–]bonslytossChaste Opinionated Weirdo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Really earning your flair today.

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[–]OatsGYOWMGTOW[🍰] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Innocuous? Are you talking about the post a while back where a girl created a graph of her 30,000 tinder matches?

This fact is being smacked upside our heads daily, so yeah, I'd hope most men are woke.

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude there have been posts like that for both genders like every other day for a month. Every girl gets at least a 50% match rate. Every guy struggles and some of them get nothing even for months or years of work. We're now also seeing that prostitutes admit to advertising and doing buisness on Tinder. And why wouldn't they? They get their pick of prospective johns before the conversation even begins.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]TrueReligionGenesLooxist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm usually always late to the party, but I started tuning into this stuff back in 2014. Feels good man.

[–]RandomAttackHelpMe0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't see more ER types, those will be in the minority extreme, if anything, you will see more guys being aware of bad habits and attitudes, whether they are "Chads" or "Chumps", realizing it's a shit deal for them one way or the other, merely standing up for themselves, and knowing when to say no or fuck this, fuck that and fuck you. I think most people want to be respectful/considerate/appreciative of others, I said those qualities, not taken for a sucker or being a doormat

If you look at the whole mra/mgtow/redpill movements, and I don't agree with them on everything nor do I fully subscribe to their ideas or movements, that's more to due with my own independent sense, not political reasons, at the core of it, are guys who got and/or were REALLY fucked over in more ways than one, no one was there to help them, so they branched off on their own. So I get it, I do.

On a somewhat related note, and for the record, I am not getting into the abortion issue, we can, I am not going for that right now, as I am sure you are aware, several states have passed or are trying to pass restrictive laws on this, when it started happening, I saw from what you would call "feminist blue pilled soyboy cuck symp sensitive snowflake but angry when called for ultra liberal leftists who just cannot get past 2016 and try to refocus things and are just focusing on the same shit over and over and think if they just yell enough and instead of trying to win elections they'd rather just endlessly argue with internet nerds in a constant social circle jerk and that really accomplishes nothing in the long run types", started trotting out, "Oh! Men need to do more for abortion rights!" "Men need to be more involved in the abortion rights fight!" "They were part of this as well! So they need to stand up for it!" etc. Well, that was a far cry from the years worth of "Men need to shut up and mind their own business on this! "Her body her decision!" "Men need to stop oppressing women!" "Independent woman at all costs no matter what!" Etc.

What these idiots don't realize is that they are saying this where anyone can read and see this, and are acting shocked when people go "Hey waitaminute......." What they seem to fail to realize is the idea of the sense of independence and free love sexual revolution, led to, and yes, I guess I am going a bit soy boy symp cuck on this one, dude pretty much using chicks to get what they want and caring less whether she keeps the kid or not and he just goes on his merry way.

I don't want to scold or attack anyone's sense of individuality, I am a big proponent of that, but this whole one size fits all liberalism and sense of independence which did kind of lead more to a more selfish sense and lack of maturity, and yeah, pot calling kettle black in some ways, clearly clearly failed in a pretty big fucking way and hence, it did lead to this whole alt right/trump/maga thing, again, I don't agree with them on everything and I am not even that conservative, but I don't think you can blame people for going "Fuck this!" and seeing the forest through the trees, and it's not like this wasn't happening as clear as day in front of everyone.

If anything, after a while, perhaps there will be a return to a more traditional/balance of things.

[–]lIllIlllIl 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Abortion and the pill killed the sanctity of love and sex. It's just transactional now.

[–]RandomAttackHelpMe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

One way to put it yes.

[–]washington_breadstixM'gtow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it is safe to say that the discussions on places like /r/purplepilldebate and trp are well...not just taking place on these boards.

Indeed, they are not. I'm always surprised when a subject that's tangential to this subreddit comes up on a different subreddit. I think we're kinda spoiled here, honestly. You think this sub is hurting for rational analysis? Try bringing these subjects up anywhere else on reddit and let me know how it goes. Deviate from basic feminist platitudes and you'll start a downvote fest.

[–]AI_WAIFUtake the weebpill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Capitalism will swoop in and save the day. The sex robot industry will boom. Degenerate harem anime will become mainstream. VR adult games will become top sellers. Advances in AI will enable the creation of AI waifus. The US will become Japan 2.0.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

backlash against what? women's right to bodily autonomy? independence? who cares, haters gonna hate. hope they start vomiting all that bile.

[–]janeaustenfan99 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

I've noticed an uptick in guys on dating apps just straight up asking me over to their apartment, rather than wanting to go out on an actual date. Though some are gracious enough to offer to pay for the Uber, lol. So maybe there is something to it.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Have you changed anything about your profile? Ive heard that men's approaches are oftentimes different depending on how the girl looks. For example, women with heavier makeup tend to get much more sexual messages whereas women with no makeup get far less.

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man-2 points-1 points  (32 children) | Copy Link

no, nothing has changed except that a relatively small but very socially retarded portion of the male population now has the ability to sit at home and whine on the internet 24/7.

there have always been losers and failures. men have always complained about women.

there's not going to be any backlash (except for the anti-incel backlash). nothing is changing. MGTOW and all that shit isn't going to become mainstream.

there's a natural balance to all of this. if a large percentage of men did stop chasing women, then it would just become easier for everyone else due to less competition. and then guys would stop going their own way.

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid11 points12 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

You seem out of touch with reality. We're already seeing the shift now. It's already happened in Japan.

Im not saying it's good or bad, but let's not be naive

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree.

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man-1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

lowest quality males don't reproduce. this is the natural order of things

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Except those are the ones reproducing the most.

The class with the highest education and best jobs (both men and women) are having fewer kids.

It's the trash of society popping out rugrats

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

only according to your personal definition of "quality"

in the game called evolution, the winners are the men who produce the most offspring who survive and thrive to produce their own children. everything else is irrelevant

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nah, they are only "winning " because they are to dumb to use birth control.

Birth control isn't "natural selection" it's planning

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

evolution doesn't care about planning or being smart.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

^ this guy understands natural selection

[–]SerorimanCombat-grade nerd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In a sense he's right, but a lot of those "selected for" reproducing lower class people would die without modern society and welfare state. Maybe beta males are shooting themselves in the foot by not letting trash-tier alpha fucks men and their children starve then...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

lowest quality males don't reproduce. this is the natural order of things

Quick question, how many kids do you have?

Nutting inside a woman (without a condom) and not getting her pregnant is still a failure from an evolutionary perspective.

Need to have 20 kids from 10 different moms that's the key to winning this game.

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

i've never claimed to be evolutionarily successful. but it's by choice. i would rather not have to deal with the hassle of having kids.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If men stop chasing, most women wouldn't care

They would rather be alone than lower standards if they truly believe they are worth a man up to some standard in her head that she is convinced she is worth

[–]theoracleofosiris4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only as long as the welfare money flows. Once it stops it’ll surprise you how willing they are to take any dick for 3 square meals.

[–]SevenDrunkMidgetsA darker shade of purple2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I don't know how you can actually write this whenever the actual statistics are showing how bad it's getting.

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man-3 points-2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

because i actually go out and get laid instead of using "muh statistics" to justify being a whiny incel

[–]SevenDrunkMidgetsA darker shade of purple3 points4 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

I don't really give a shit about your personal sex life tbh. Deny statistics all you want but but the numbers are the numbers.

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man-3 points-2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

deny reality all you want but autists who sperg out over statistics don't get laid

[–]SevenDrunkMidgetsA darker shade of purple5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Bro you're posting on a reddit sub about relationship strategies. Cut the tough guy alpha larp youre just as spergy as everyone else here.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

"no YOU'RE the incel!"

[–]SevenDrunkMidgetsA darker shade of purple2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah pretty much.

[–]ThatGamer7071 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Nah I care about these numbers and almost definitely have more sex and crazier sex escapades than you do...

You are just trying to shame ppl to accept your rhetoric and it isn't working because you are not smart enough to do it...

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

if you think this "problem" is really a problem and not just whiny incel bullshit, then i highly doubt that you're getting laid very often.

[–]ThatGamer7070 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

First off I am bi... So I can literally get laid anytime I want lol. Second I am in insanely great shape, in college and make over six figures lol. Also I have a gf and she lets me sleep with other ppl... Oh yeah and I work bachelorette parties. So yeah I get laid way more often than you.

Nice try tho... Guess what men can care about men's issues and not all men are so desperate for sex they need to suck up to women in the hope one will touch them lmao...

I definitely wouldn't have all this if I was a pussy like you

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

First off I am bi

oh that explains everything. every bi dude i know is full of shit and completely insane. also they tend to fuck absolute garbage tier examples of both genders

[–]ThatGamer7071 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You try to find the flimsiest reasons to dismiss things you disagree with. I am smarter than you, make more money than you, have more sex with girls and guys than you, in better shape than you and more attractive lol.

also they tend to fuck absolute garbage tier examples of both genders

I doubt you have fucked anyone at all lol...

First you doubted I had sex, that didn't work so now you say I am insane lmao...

Yes because clearly I am paid six figures because I am insane ok buddy...

Keep moving the goal post because you are too stupid to debate on the merit of the argument, so you try and insult or shame ppl. The thing is you can't insult me because I am better than you in every way.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

That equilibrium makes no sense. Also, your statement really is just more denial.

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

it made sense to your mom last night

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Classic. "I'm a whiny dick" & when I'm proven to be a whiny dick I become even more of a whiny dick. Any other insightful observations you'd like to share while you have our attention?

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

are you calling me a whiny dick? get a brain moran

[–]peterlongcLove.Is.The.Drug-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

transgender m->f and a lot of man-love

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Many men are now realizing that even the hottest girls take hot and stinky shits. At least I would hope.

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