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Let's say a straight man was stranded in a remote, luxuriant and unhibitated island with a woman who has the typical physical features that men like (e.g. big tits, flat stomach and large ass), they both have the same level of survival skills. The woman is not attracted to the man. Days, weeks, months, one year have passed with the woman constantly rejecting the man's flirtatious gestures and sexual requests, would most men begin to contemplate rape in such a situation? Would most of them commit rape at some point?

I was shocked while reading the large amount of online comments from men who say they would commit rape if they could completely get away with it, I was wondering if most men would really do this. It sometimes looks like men would not rape just because they fear the law and other men, not because they actually value women as human beings. This could explain why so many powerful and educated men are found to be serial rapists even in this day and age.


[–]Tyler_GatsbyNo mas Sancho68 points69 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

I get that in dire or severe situations people tend to do things they wouldn't normally do. Also people tend to over exaggerate what they think they would do in a situation.

I think you need to factor in even a lot of the guys who admit they even think they could or would in that situation have never had the chick to try and make them do it yet. They don't know what they'd really do. They probably think they'd keep their shit together if someone pointed a gun at their head too. Same kind of thing, you don't know what you'll really do until you're faced with the situation.

[–]MisterJose18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think generally it's about what someone can justify to themselves. If you can get to a place where it's 'she deserves it', or maybe 'it's not all that bad, just kinda naughty', then maybe that gives you the mental pass.

I used to have this fantasy about a female assassin who comes into my hotel to kill me, but I catch her and pin her to the bed. And the attitude of it was like, "Ha, I win this round," while she looks up angrily at me as I fuck her (this was a teenage sex fantasy, cut me some slack). I was just recently thinking about that, and how, in that context, it doesn't feel like 'rape', at least not as some terrible thing. More it's like hardcore people living in a hardcore world where rape and murder are part of it. I sometimes think about how that relates to military men and women in combat situations. I mean, at the very least, the weights of things have to change in those kind of situations.

Also, in years past attitudes about some aspects of this have changed. For example, being a peeping tom wasn't considered good, but it wasn't nearly as bad as it would be seen now. It was more like, "Oh, you naughty boys, you." So, if I were born a couple decades earlier, I think I probably would have been more open to the idea of, say, peeking under a girls dress while she was sleeping/passed out, and not seeing that as anything egregious.

There's a famous song by Frank Zappa about a member of his group who liked to steal girl's panties and sniff them. There's a line about how 'hey, whatever you're into', and it's seen as just kind of a funny weird fetish, not some kind of major invasion of privacy to steal someone's clothes to get yourself off with.

[–]horusporcus5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I once had a gun pointed at my head and kept my shit. I told them very calmly to take my money and leave me.

[–]Tyler_GatsbyNo mas Sancho7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You think you could rape somebody? Awkward question I didn't expect to ask.

[–]horusporcus12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, don't think I could. The idea sounds disgusting, honestly I find the idea of forcing someone to have sex very very unappealing. Would prefer to masturbate than to molest someone who is not attracted to me / doesn't want to have sex with me.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know alot of people who've had guns pointed at them, he threw his wallet at the ground & ran & didn't look back. He didn't break down like a bitch he just called the police afterward.

[–]Reisiluu 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

Some men, definitely. Not most. It also depends on if the man grew up believing women who get raped deserved it for walking outside without a guardian or dressing a certain way. Culture can have a big impact.

[–]datingapppro-4 points-3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

No one says those women deserve it. They just say have some accountability for your actions. Jesus

[–]heisenburger94 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

As someone who has been in this position. They absolutely do.

[–]datingapppro 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

What did you get drunk and “raped” lol

[–]heisenburger93 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Holy fucking christ you goddamn pig. No I didn't but even if I did that does not give anyone an excuse to rape me.

[–]datingapppro-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You live in a fantasy world.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled76 points77 points  (81 children) | Copy Link

Raping women en masse after invasion has been the historical norm. You'd be an idiot not to understand what that says about impulses and the necessity of law.

You hold this position because of socialization and abundance in society.

In the absence of law and order it would be commonplace.

That being said, this doesn't mean that in a civil society these impulses are an imminent threat. It's not either or.

[–]Reisiluu 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy Link

Those invading men rape enemy women whom they consider "other". Wouldn't it be different to rape your only companion on an island?

[–]UTC2410 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it's an important distinction. It's more difficult not to do it when everyone else is doing it, to someone you fight against to boot, versus you make your own decision to someone you know.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't you mean your sex slave?

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Australia is an island and colonists were stuck together but that resulted in one of the largest mass rapes in history. They all had to live together afterwards but that's besides the point.

[–]GhostofB 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

Source? I'm Australian and I don't know this one.

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Looks like I'm wrong. It's apparently one of those stories that never happened but made it into way too many history books and is talked about by enough actual Australians that I just kind of believed it.

[–]GhostofB 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Pretty gross to repeat untrue stories about rape without bothering to fact check in the first place, in my opinion...

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Luckily I don't care about your opinion.

[–]Nevidimka-37 points38 points  (41 children) | Copy Link

Can't believe you're the first to mention this. If I look at the average man I know I don't think they're all rapists either but history teaches us a whole damn lot of them will do it if the others are doing it too

[–]Mellow_Maniac8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Would we apply this thinking to other things?

I look at the average person and i know I don't think they're all slave masters either but history teaches us that a whole damn lot of them will do it if the others are doing it to.

Society, morality, it all changes, progresses, and with it so do people, without law and order, today's people would never become slave masters because we all believe it is abhorrent and completely utterly wrong, we understand this from a very you age. And thus we can see that today's people are not the people of the past. Today's humanity is not the same, and so the children born in today's civility are not brutes of a world that only knew war and terrible heinous and horrible things.

It would be nice if men as a whole weren't looked at like this, looked at as rapists and sex offenders and if father's could go to the playpark with their children and not fear being seen and acted on as something they're not.

[–]CosmicBioHazard2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s not all strictly one way progress though, practices have been known to be abandoned on moral grounds and then come back again. We might all agree that slavery is bad but that doesn’t mean it’s gone forever

[–]Talkytalktalk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

there are an awful lot of enlightened totalitarians though.

[–]lemonfluff12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hell just look at the army.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled6 points7 points  (35 children) | Copy Link

I mean if we make shoplifting legal, "all women are thiefs."

[–]Nevidimka-12 points13 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

That's not comparable.. There's a huge difference between financially hurting a company or doing something as soul-destroying as rape. I'd rather have everything and anything I've ever worked for stolen from than to be raped

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If divorce was as easy and were financially beneficially for women as it is now, then women would be divorce raping men all the time...wait....

[–]deep-end0 points1 point  (29 children) | Copy Link

Honest question: Assuming abortion is easily obtained, and all STDs curable, is rape really that bad? Isn’t it just another form of assault? Would you rather be raped or have your legs broken? I’d go for rape personally. I feel like our culture treats rape as the ultimate horror that could be inflicted on women, which seems like something that is supposed to deter male rapists, but I feel women get the shitty end of the deal by ending up far more traumatized than they necessarily need to be.

[–]tia-now14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit.

[–]Tarable6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus H Macy...

[–]Isolated_Aura 1 points [recovered]  (9 children) | Copy Link

What in the absolute fuck is wrong with you?

[–]deep-end 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy Link

Grow up, puritan

[–]Isolated_Aura 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

Wow. Thinking that a moron who asks "hur dur what's so bad about rape" has something wrong with him does not make me a puritan.

[–]deep-end 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

Actually it does.

[–]Isolated_Aura 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

Listen, I know you were hoping people here would agree with your asinine idea that rape isn't that really that bad, so that you could justify your own rape fantasies but that is just not going to happen.

You asked if rape is worse than assault? Most women I know, myself included, would rather be killed than raped. It's completely traumatizing and dehumanizing. So fuck off with your garbage opinions.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]deep-end-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hey thanks, that’s pretty insightful

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re welcome. I honesty didn’t fully understand how traumatic this stuff was until I was in that situation myself. Prior to that, I always told myself I wouldn’t fight back unless the guy was clearly a serial killer. But now I truly understand how someone can come out of something like rape physically unharmed but psychologically dead inside — potentially forever.

[–]AzihayyaWhite Knight, the Voice of Femnai1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I look at it in kind of an opposite way--the fact that awful things happen everyday, like police officers raping vulnerable women and fathers raping their daughters for years, it boggles my mind that these people can come out of these experiences, having had their trust in family, institutions, their world view and the world at large shattered, and feasibly experience love and joy--is just a fucking miracle.

[–]OatsGYOWMGTOW[🍰] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'd say you are partially right. If you are a woman that treats sex as something intimate or special, you will probably be impacted more than a woman who regularly has sex with strangers.

It would still be traumatizing, though. When I think of some masked villain bending me over and sodomizing me, the horror isn't having something stuffed up my butt. The horror and trauma comes from having a stranger having absolute control of my destiny. He could kill you on a whim, torture you, or steal you away to his basement forever.

But then you have things like blackmail and spousal rape... I don't have a horse in this race, so I choose to believe women when they say that these acts are evil incarnate, even if I can't understand why.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sexual blackmail is traumatic for the same reason you said: someone using the threat of something sexual to exert power and control over your destiny.

With respect to spousal rape: personally, I have never turned down my partner for PIV. Even if I didn’t want to have sex. So it’s hard to imagine a situation involving PIV that I would personally consider spousal rape. However, I hate anal and I’m very clear about this boundary. So if my partner put anything in my butt without my explicit verbal permission, I would consider that rape and find it extremely traumatic. And there is no way anyone could put something in my butt and not realize how painful it is for me, so a misunderstanding would be impossible.

[–]ConfusedAF_Chicken0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm having some difficulty understanding that. I too am a HL female and I typically turn down my partner for sex, PIV or anal. However, the idea of a partner not listening to me when I do turn them down is terrible. My mum was abused by my father in all ways - it's that breach of trust that hurt and messed her up the most. You trust your partner not to hurt you; you trust them to understand and take your "no" for an answer.

[–]ConfusedAF_Chicken0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

blackmail and spousal rape

Ultimately, it's the breach of trust. It's someone you trust and love not taking no for an answer and possibly forcefully using your body, not caring if they hurt you or not. It's that violation. You trust those you love not to hurt you, you know?

[–]snowwhiteskiller0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Bones heal, minds generally stayed fucked. Most rape victims end up with ptsd or some other psychological effect because of the rape. Also there could possibly be physical trama also like rips, bruises, hell even broken bones depends on the rapist really.

I feel like our culture treats rape as the ultimate horror that could be inflicted on women, which seems like something that is supposed to deter male rapists, but I feel women get the shitty end of the deal by ending up far more traumatized than they necessarily need to be.

I find this wild, you seem to think women aren't psychologically fucked up from a guy forcing himself on them and inserting himself in there body, essentially using them. But you think how our culture talk about rape can psychology damage rape victims instead.

Which is nuts logic. It's like thinking articles on war cause solider to have pstd, instead of them being in the actual war.

[–]eyewant😋 grape suppository1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Bones heal, minds generally stayed fucked.

what's your opinion on date rape? the ones were women freeze up and don't resist? How damaging is that? asking out of concern for someone.

[–]snowwhiteskiller0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The act of rape in itself is a tramtic experience , so I can say it would be a damaging experience. However I couldn't honestly say how damaging, rape victim tend to react differently to the rape but it tends to have a very high negative effect on the psychological, which can result in pstd, depression, some anxiety disorder or maybe some kind of sexual aversion ... Etc. So it Depends really. If they gets therapy for it at some stage, it would help to lessen the negative effect of it.

I'm sorry that happened your friend, I hope they're doing OK.

[–]ConfusedAF_Chicken0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not to mention that studies show male rape victims suffer the same psychological side effects as female rape victims even though male rape victims are treated as a joke or punch line. It's the effect of rape, not the effect of "making it a bigger deal".

[–]deep-end0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Did you know Native Americans, who were exposed to far more warfare suffered from far less PTSD? They had cultural practices to bring a warrior back into civilian life to help process what they went through. They suffered an initial act, but emotionally digested it, and stopped replaying it in their minds.

Obviously I think violence is scary. Obviously the very act of rape is terrifying, and I’m not saying that women will just get up and brush off rape in a “better society. What I was trying to point to is that society treats rape victims in a way that brings additional suffering in that it forces the person to identify with the crime. I can’t understand how so many women would rather be dead than be a raped woman, as if the life of a raped woman isn’t worth living.

[–]snowwhiteskiller1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No because frankly you seem to be putting stuff from your arse and I don't see anything good coming from there.

I think you missing what rape is, it an sexual act done agasint your will or say. It's a violation of bodily autonomy and your right to free will. So the act of rape is caused by the rapist, the women had no say in the matter hence why it rape. So people saying they would rather be dead (if people have even said that, you seem to pulll alot of shit out of your arse) than rape has nothing to do with the victim of it, it's about the act of rape which the rapist inflicts on the victims, the victims they had no choice or say. I don't understand why you think it the victims have to take ownership of the act of rape, they didn't choose that.

It's also weird to me you think a better society is one where people act like rape fine and grand instead of one where people don't go around raping one another.

[–]deep-end0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's also weird to me you think a better society is one where people act like rape fine and grand instead of one where people don't go around raping one another.

Yeah this is pretty uncharitable. No point replying, bye.

[–]snowwhiteskiller1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not as uncharitable as thinking the effects of rape are easier to deal with than a broken bone. Like that's what you were saying anyways... Bye 👋

[–]ConfusedAF_Chicken0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Except rape victims come in both male and female with both male and female attackers? In fact, male victims of female attackers experience the same psychological symptoms as other rape victims despite society, grossly, treating it as more of a "you lucky dude" situation. It isn't just women that it's traumatic for.

Additionally, the fact that the body can actually have an orgasm during rape actually makes things worse a lot of the time - victims of rape (both male and female, with both male and female) get additional trauma by their bodies "betraying" them. Also, most rapes are committed by relatives, intimate partners, or acquaintances - more betrayal of trust.

Add in the societal problems for all victims - most are accused of wanting it or "morning after regret". If they did orgasm during the rape, you now have this sort of "gaslight" situation where they now are left wondering if they did actually bring it on themselves. You don't really find that for "broken legs".

This doesn't consider any rape specific injuring (e.g. vaginal/anal tearing). There are just so many layers to the psychology of the trauma - it isn't as simple as "insert tab A into hole B forcefully".

[–]tia-now1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Actually ... I only recently found out this is true! At least among the women I work with and two female friends. When they go out, they almost *have* to steal a glass. It's like a compulsion.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Right. And if you give out 5 years for it and demonize it, that activity naturally stops being so worrisome. Then only the compulsive types remain.

Just because I can overpower a woman doesn't make me an imminent threat.

[–]tia-now1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah I’m with you on that

[–]ofthewhite-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rape is a good tool to pacify enemy societies. And in the long run brings people together because they are related.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What you’re ignoring in this analysis is that the belligerent party sees the people they’re invading and killing as enemies, evil, subhuman in some cases. Which justifies it in their minds.

Slaveowners who regularly raped their slaves where the same ones obsessed with protecting their virtuous white women from black men at all costs and promoting the myth of them black male rapist that was used as justification for extrajudicial murders.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good retort.

[–]PanderjitSingh_k 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Far more rape of white women by black men than vice versa;let’s not pretend.

Crime stats say essentially zero rape of black women by white men.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

8-9 out of 10 (depending on the law enforcement source) of white female rape victims were raped by white men. Sounds like white women have far more to fear from white men than black men.

Rape is an intraracial crime. Period.

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Raping women en masse after invasion has been the historical norm

Same as killing men en masse.

1) Does it mean that men have (while women don't have) impulses to kill each other?

2) Does that mean that if I got stranded on an island with a guy, I should point a sharpened stick and shout "BITCH DON'T COME ANY CLOSER" every time I see him?

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

  1. Yes.

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

2?

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the big implication with the desert island is that in the OP scenario the two implicitly aren't working together. In most situations you see like say, an average episode of Naked and Afraid the dude is clearly contributing more and half the time having a woman around is a liability more than a gain as often as not.

If you're actually working together and pulling even weight things even out.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.3 points4 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Aren’t you always namalting about rape?

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled6 points7 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

You should reread what I wrote.

That being said, this doesn't mean that in a civil society these impulses are an imminent threat. It's not either or.

That's what people like you are doing.

  1. Men would rape if legal.
  2. Men want to rape.
  3. Men raping is an imminent threat.

Driving a taxi and being a gas station clerk, statistically speaking are very dangerous jobs. But I doubt either of them are on high alert unless they've courted danger.

Framed within the context of this discussion, pointing things out like

  1. Don't work in very high crime areas
  2. Do not get into verbal altercations with patrons

etc are "victim blaming."

Women are at little risk of being subjected to these things if they involve themselves with trustworthy men, mind their drinking\drug use and don't patronize unsafe areas\situations.

But women enjoy patronizing dangerous situations and don't want to hold themselves responsible.

tl;dr If I show up to a house party and everyone is snorting lines, I would expect to get knocked out for talking shit. I wouldn't be surprised if a fight breaks out or other violence. So I make the choice on whether or not to stay and don't ultimately say "all coke users are potentially violent" to rid myself of culpability.

When I've owned high performance sports cars and engaged in street racing, my passengers were aware that any ride could be their last. You don't survive a crash at 140+mph in a street car.

That choice you make is important. You live with it.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.4 points5 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Ok but AWALT and hence, amalt would be about nature not social constraints - yes? And I’m not doing anything I don’t actually think it’s men’s nature to rape but I’m not a red piller so

“Victim blaming” has absolutely nothing to do with this OP that I can see. This isn’t about women it’s about men...

[–]OatsGYOWMGTOW[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We are a social species, and social constraints are more powerful than nature by far as a result. AWALT is no longer bound by social constraints in this century.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy Link

Yes I'm trying to get you to understand why this doesn't make sense to women.

Men understand this easily.

If you have us tits we'd know better than to show up to a titty fucking and blow party if we didn't want to get in a fight or titty fucked 🤷🏼‍♂️

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

You’re again talking about women for some reason

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

Yes. I'm explaining why this question is retarded to men.

I'm trying to control for female projection.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Ok but there’s lots of men here with differing opinions on this subject so

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

We're all pretty much saying the same thing, it's just that women don't understand the context, which I'm trying to explain.

Ultimately the answer is No. You have to create bazaar circumstances to get a yes.

The only circumstances in law and order where the answer is yes, are men who are sexually compulsive. (Dalmer etc)

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Come on man don’t act like this is some sort of omg women can’t know! Sort of thing. Who is dalmer?

[–]dumbblunde 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

this IS victim blaming. no one “courts” their rape. most of the time the rapist is someone who was close to the victim. women aren’t responsible for their rape. the only person who did anything wrong is the RAPIST.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

the only person who did anything wrong is the RAPIST.

I never said they did anything wrong.

[–]fevertree10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

People are a moral. Most people will do what everyone else is doing. When it's just you and one other person in the world you have to devise your own morality between the two of you. I would imagine the impulse to procreate would override the impulse to adhere to social norms if there was only one other person who cared about that norm.

[–]pizza_tron2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the chance they consensually fuck is 100%, even if they are flip-flopped on physical beauty. I know we are talking in hypotheticals but I think rape would never need to enter the equation.

[–]lemonfluff1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a good answer. A lot of our morality comes from living in a society. Our morals are arguably there to protect our society. We don't always agree internally with the rules of society. If the norms of society are taken away then people can reevaluate their own terms of morality. With no consequences, no one to maintain the rules and keep people in line, then maybe they'll just do what they want.

Also, if you are hungry you might steal food even if you never thought you would. If you are drowning you might push someone else under to save yourself. I'm not saying sex is anywhere near the same as needing food or air but I could see them putting their own will above someone else's.

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's so weird. I could see maybe bartering to exchange favors or something but... rape? Nah.

Seems like if you are stranded on an island an alliance would be more important.

[–]OverEasyFetus6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol, fuck no I wouldn't rape someone.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Sex loses all it's appeal if the other person doesn't want to do it. Don't think I could. Could I reach a point where I'd masturbate in front of them with no shame? Absolutely.

I think most men are like this. The cruelty of rape is too alien for us to participate in, even in your deserted island scenario

EDIT: Also, physically forced rape (when someone is fighting) seems hard to pull off unless you got a small dick I think

[–]s86ahmed0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Huh explain the edit?

[–]decoy88Black Male in London0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Anecdotal. I tried it in a roleplay and that was difficult AF,

[–]s86ahmed0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I can imagine. Most guys don't want to hurt the people they like having sex with or love.

[–]decoy88Black Male in London0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Naah not even that. I’m talking about shoving your dick into a really dry, really tight vagina

[–]Impressive_Client18 points19 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No. Definitely not. For me, at least 75% of the enjoyment of sex is pleasing the woman. Pretty fucking hard to do that if yo’ rapin’ the bitch.

[–]microwave-massacre4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Totally agree. I’ve never had a rape fantasy, watched simulated rape porn or anything along those lines. Does absolutely nothing for me.

[–]nzolo3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I had a fleeting one as a young teen (some of my friends confided in me that they did too) and it went away around HS for no particular reason that I can think of. I wonder if it's related to hormones.

[–]justcallmeabrokenpalNo Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

75% of the enjoyment of sex is pleasing the woman

I personally think that the rapists think that they are pleasing the woman too

[–]GhostofB 1 points [recovered]  (28 children) | Copy Link

A number of years ago I was seeing a girl who was turned on by boundary pushing - mine and hers. A couple of times during sex she tried to fight me off, with the intention of me overpowering her and having my way. Instant boner killer.

[–]wtffellification 1 points [recovered]  (10 children) | Copy Link

"rape me you pussy!"

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband[M] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Don't troll.

[–]wtffellificationWe all love women0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

how do i know when i’m trolling when i dont even know i’m trolling?

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband[M] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I ask myself, "does this add substance to the discussion?"

[–]Red__Blue0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I want to read those comments as a user. Please send them to me so I may decide for myself what constitutes “substance” in this discussion.

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband[M] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

If you have further questions please feel free to come to modmail.

[–]Red__Blue0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Are you telling me I’ll receive them if I send a message on mod mail?

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Probably not since that's mod business. But I can give you examples of what would count as trolling and what would not.

[–]Red__Blue0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s okay, I believe I have a good idea already.

[–]Tyler_GatsbyNo mas Sancho20 points21 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Yes, had one of these chicks too. She would literally role play fighting me off of her to the point it felt real, and grossed me out inside, and couldn't keep a boner. She would get so pissed when I had to stop b/c it was sort of like just teasing her with it. Maybe she found her guy by now.

Edit: Your point pretty much bust this myth.

[–]GhostofB 1 points [recovered]  (9 children) | Copy Link

That's exactly it.

I think there's two groups of people, those who have enough empathy for others that their selfish desires don't overcome that - and these people don't want to rob anyone or rape anyone or cause anyone pain for their own gain, and those who have more selfishness than empathy and are prepared to cause pain for their own gain.

If you're the type of person who does bad things to people who don't deserve it, then all bets are off.

[–]LethalShade4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if some people inherently are born more empathetic or if it's mostly nurture?

I know the older I get, the more empathy I seem to have. Once you start to see how similar other people are to you and how your actions(good and bad), it makes you stop and think.

[–]RaspberryInk2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

If you're the type of person who does bad things to people, then...

FTFY. The funny thing about people who do and don't deserve it is it's entirely subjective. Most people have empathy, and many of them will still hurt people. They do it through cognitive distortions where they convince themselves their victim asked for it or wanted it. Even psychopaths do this, who ironically are the only ones who shouldn't need to.

[–]GhostofB 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

Violence is a bad thing, but not when it's self defence. Sometimes there are justifications for otherwise bad actions.

[–]RaspberryInk0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

A lot of people would put vengeance and "justice" in that category too, and that's where it becomes a very slippery slope. Even self-defense can be an excuse, but I agree with you that actual self-defense is entirely justifiable.

[–]GhostofB 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

If someone has not done anything wrong, then locking them in a room and not letting them out is kidnapping and deprivation of liberty and is a gross injustice and human rights violation.

If someone has murdered another person, then the room we lock them in is called a prison and it's justified.

Lots of otherwise bad actions become justified when people deserve it.

[–]RaspberryInk0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

My original point was that you can justify just about anything if you really want to. Justification itself is subjective. People justify a lot of egregious behavior.

You basically said that it's okay to do bad things to people who deserve it. Which ones are the ones that deserve it, and why does that make it okay?

[–]GhostofB 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

My original point

I made the original point. I said something that was valid and you "fixed it" for me and in doing so lost the point of what I was saying.

Justification itself is subjective.

Justice is subjective. Subjective actions are necessary in life.

Which ones are the ones that deserve it, and why does that make it okay?

I've already given examples. Deprivation of liberty is a bad thing, but someone who commits murder deserves deprivation of liberty.

[–]RaspberryInk0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I made the original point. I said something that was valid and you "fixed it" for me and in doing so lost the point of what I was saying.

We're both talking about the same comment.

Subjective actions are necessary in life and society.

Sure. I didn't say we shouldn't exact justice. I simply called out the "who don't deserve it" remark. Have you ever seen a baby born who deserves a fucked up life? If not, then at what point in their life do they start deserving it? I get that "they deserve it" and "get what's coming" are colloquialisms, but I personally think it's more accurate to say actions have consequences. I think the "they deserve it" mentality is a dangerous and slippery slope, as history has shown again and again.

I've already given examples.

It was actually a rhetorical question. I was pointing out the fuzzy line of the "good people" and "bad people" dichotomy. There's a cognitive distortion related to that... I don't recall the name of it right off, but at least one aspect relates to victim blaming. The idea is that if they deserve it, then since I don't deserve it, I'm not in danger. For example, if she got raped because she was careless, dressed like a slut, whatever, then since I don't do those things, I won't get raped. People don't come right out and spell out the entire logic, but that's the type of comfort that the victim blaming provides.

We're not talking about obvious victims, but there are other malevolent dynamics too, like mob mentality and socially sanctioned violence. If he deserves it, what I'm doing is okay, so it doesn't threaten my "I'm a good person" persona, or my own standing in society and my own mind. This kind of dynamic has been at the root of the most atrocious acts throughout history.

Before you get defense or hunker down on harder on your point, I'm not accusing you of anything at all. It was probably just innocent language meant to represent justice. I just spring boarded off the language that came out in your comment to make my point. I've heard it way too much, and I've seen it seriously abused by addicts, people with personality disorders, etc. I disagree with it so much I'd rather just have people do bad things and be honest about it, with no justification. If you're going to hurt someone for fun, don't pretend they deserve it--just admit it. Again, not directed at you, but it happens plenty.

That's the entirety of my FTFY comment.

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty common ime

[–]tia-now4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I only recently realized that my ex who claimed to want to be dominated, actually wanted this. She never got into being a sub and would start to fight me. Same boner-killing reaction on my part, but I might've played the role if we'd talked about it before.

[–]Skuggasveinn0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

These cnc games do the opposite for me. The harder she fights the harder I get.

[–]Planetof120 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have similar feelings.

Roleplaying submission/ domination is something I'm into. But the idea of REALLY controlling someone utterly repulses me. I can only enjoy submission/domination play if I know my partner enjoys it. Sex without the woman's enjoyment / willing disgusts me.

[–]Aeiexgjhyoun_IIIPurple Pill Man6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't even know how I would enjoy such a thing. Sex is awful when you partner just lays there imagine how terrible it would be if they were actively resisting you. There's also the issue of morality.

Besides, a woman stuck on an island with you is bound to get horny sometime. If lonliness and proximity can land Leo Valdez of all people a girl hotter than Aphrodite, then I fancy my chances.

[–]Iakov-the-rat0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

By the gods, I never thought I would come across a Percy Jackson fan on a subreddit like this.

I also agree with you, there would most likely be a point rape wouldn’t need to happen for either of them to get off from sex finally.

[–]Aeiexgjhyoun_IIIPurple Pill Man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

By the gods, I never thought I would come across a Percy Jackson fan on a subreddit like this.

We're everywhere.

[–]Barely-moralMostly red though14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To the title: NO.

To the scenario described in your post... IDK... sounds like an extreme situation and people do stupid shit during extreme situations.

[–]verdantsound16 points17 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

what does education have to do with the ability to rape? i don’t understand why people think that college educated people would be less willing / capable of doing it

[–]C0dey15 points16 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Because studies show that most people who commit crimes are uneducated and with a low IQ.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Doesn’t correlate for rape though.

The typical rapist shares the same demographic characteristics with his victim and 9 out of 10 times knows her.

The exception is Native American women, who have the highest probability of all groups of women of being raped, because of the number of non native men who rape women on reservations where they can’t be prosecuted in tribal courts because they aren’t native themselves.

It’s also my understanding that illegal immigrant women are at higher risk for rape again due to the power imbalance in the rapists favor.

[–]PanderjitSingh_k-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you using feminist definitions of rape? Sounds like it.

Those aren’t valid.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No I’m using legal definitions.

Do you have a question for me?

[–]verdantsound0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m going to question the validity here. I would argue that crime has more to do with money. Those who don’t have it may be more willing to skirt the law to survive. And those who have a ton of it know they can get away with it.

[–]C0dey0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well there is a neurological impact on extreme poverty, so you aren't entirely wrong there:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-poverty-affects-the-brain/

[–]4gotOldU-nameAvoiding Kool-Aid as Much as Possible-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, we're not talking about all crimes. So let's see your source for this.

[–]C0dey2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]4gotOldU-nameAvoiding Kool-Aid as Much as Possible0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A study from 1976, where they sampled 10 rapists and 126 other violent criminals?

All this study says is that 10 had a 10 point lower IQ than the 126.

C'mon.....

Edit: OP says powerful and educated men are serial rapists. Next guy says what's education got to do with it. Next guy says "because studies show...." ...rapists have low IQ. I say show me.

The guy I said "show me" to wasn't even on the same page as the one he was responding to.

So..... this is all nonsensical.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You need a new kind of limited understanding to not understand the correlation between crimes (including sexual crimes) and education/IQ...

[–]4gotOldU-nameAvoiding Kool-Aid as Much as Possible0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, but any time someone leads with "Because studies show...", it tends to be just a person stating it to sound correct.

Edit: OP says powerful and educated men are serial rapists. Next guy says what's education got to do with it. Next guy says "because studies show...." ...rapists have low IQ. I say show me.

The guy I said "show me" to wasn't even on the same page as the one he was responding to.

So..... this is all nonsensical.

[–]tia-now-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

First of all the correlation of IQ and education by itself is specious. We all know there are a lot of brilliant dropouts and I’ve met more than one person with a graduate degree who didn’t seem like the brightest.

Beyond that, while I might believe a higher percentage of low IQ or low education individuals would commit crimes vs those with higher of either, I think if you surveyed all criminals for all crimes (especially if you could include those who never got caught) it would paint a different picture

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't doubt anecdotes, but there is still a correlation im the variables because for each brilliant drop out or a dim minded graduated person, There is dozens who do not show these traits. That Is why I said it as a correlation.

I think if you surveyed all criminals for all crimes (especially if you could include those who never got caught) it would paint a different picture

I doubt it. I agree there are some geniuses in crime, But they are as rare as people outside of the crime scene. (Unless you are one of those who consider capitalism a crime)

[–]The_Madmans_Reign18M7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s because people view rape as political, like slavery or racism. Something that “enlightened” people would never take part in. In actuality, rape is similar to theft, and intelligence/education has nothing to do with probability of raping.

[–]PrehistoricPrincessNothing is sexier than mutual empathy and respect0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s because people view rape as political, like slavery or racism.

When you define it as something "political" is actually exactly when it becomes something grounded in fact rather than conjecture. Here ya go.

"Recently published research suggests this dichotomy reflects the different moral attitudes held by liberals and conservatives.

It confirms the long-established principle that, compared to liberals, conservatives are more accepting of "rape myths"—excuses along the lines of "She asked for it," "It wasn't really rape," or "She lied."

Moreover, it ties this to the fact that those on the left place a greater emphasis on such moral foundations as fairness and preventing harm, while those on the right are more driven by respect for authority and in-group loyalty." (https://psmag.com/social-justice/conservatives-highly-religious-more-likely-to-endorse-rape-myths)

[–]tia-now2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I totally missed that bias. Holy shit.

[–]pizza_tron1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah isn't rape higher on college campuses?

[–]cracksniffer6666 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, but bullshit accusations are. I'm not downplaying rape at all, but some incredulous indoctrination takes place on college campuses. Just look up mattress girl and see the actual truth

[–]chaddad90000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Despite all the mattress girl drunk finger-pointing stuff, violent rape - guy in the parking garage type stuff happens often on college campuses. Most rape victims are in their teens or early 20s (exactly what RP would predict).

[–]Shadow_Of_Chad-Lite8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No the fuck I wouldn't rape anyone. If they're not attracted to me they don't deserve my precious seed.

[–]mistresswhat13 points14 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Rapists tend to believe that all men rape, or would commit rape if they weren't too scared of consequences. Non-rapists are much less likely to hold that belief.

Rapists are pretty common, unfortunately. About 1 in 20 men will admit to having raped someone on an anonymous survey as long as the question doesn't actually use the word "rape."

[–]C0dey12 points13 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

About 1 in 20 men will admit to having raped someone on an anonymous survey as long as the question doesn't actually use the word "rape."

Source?

[–]czerdec10 points11 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

It's a common claim made by feminists. The problem is that when you ask an extremely insane or crazy question, a similar number will say yes.

If you ask 1000 men who should be President and Elsa from Frozen is one of the options, about 50 people will choose her.

So like all surprising feminist claims, it's a lie. If a feminist says anything surprising, it's a lie. Feminist "scholarship" is incredibly gullible. Google the "Sokal Squared" hoax. Where three sane people wrote intentionally insane bullshit meaningless garbage studies and feminist "scholarly journals" (with a relatively high prestige rating for their field) published the bullshit without realizing that they were had.

[–]sophii10 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Do you really believe everything feminists say is a lie? sources!! prove your point.

[–]PanderjitSingh_k 1 points [recovered]  (9 children) | Copy Link

Like the Nazis they sprinkle lies in with truth.

[–]sophii10 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

most feminists want basic things. They want to be sexually harassed less, they want better medical care for pregnant women and fact based sex education. The things you hate us for are manufactured propaganda. I saw a post on r/askfeminists the other day where someone asked, “how did you become a feminist?” the first response perfectly summed up my feelings, “that’s like asking how I decided I wanted to be treated like a person” it’s that simple. You may disagree with us on policy, or on which course of action will spell the most good, but the demonization of our political movement is based entirely on fear tactics and straw man bullying.

[–]czerdec1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

No it's based on the fact that you publish crap that's demonstrably false. You (as in your movement) publish things in supposedly rigorous, reliable scholarly journals that are wildly untrue like 20% of college students are raped, as if it's a fact. You falsely claim that women don't get paid the same as men per hour for the same job (they do).

When hoaxers go to your best journals and create papers deliberately filled with lies but faithfully following the rhetorical line, you print the lies.

It's the perennial lying that's the problem, given that you already control the education system. Having habitual liars in control of an education system is never good.

[–]sophii10 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

You can disagree with parts of the movement or certain facts, that’s your right. But to deny the fact that women overwhelmingly face sexual violence as a whole, or are at an economic disadvantage is a choice to ignore reality. The sad thing is feminism by design is intended to improve the lives all of people, of all genders. There are many different facets of it, and I myself disagree with other feminists, but it’s undeniable that when women are brought up within a nation, child health, education, and the economy improve. Most places that still oppress women heavily, are horrible places to live. The places ranked highest as far as women’s rights, are often ranked as the happiest places on earth. Besides, what are you afraid of?

[–]czerdec1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

But to deny the fact that women overwhelmingly face sexual violence as a whole, or are at an economic disadvantage is a choice to ignore reality

100% of people "face" sexual violence, in that all people can be faced with sexual violence. So the statement is true but trivial. Women in reality are much less likely to be victims of violence of any kind. While women are significantly more likely to be raped, they're vastly less likely to be victims of worse kinds of violence like mutilation or murder. So your point about violence is shown to be worthless.

As to economics, women are only at a disadvantage if you ignore the free money they get from family, government and lovers/spouses. Once that is counted, women as a whole have far more money than men. Even very wealthy men give most of their money to their spouses to control. Wealthy women almost always refuse to do this and will almost exclusively marry men richer than them in order to ensure they keep their own money. Love of a man comes and goes, love of gold is forever true.

[–]sophii10 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

You have to take into account that face that women are just now getting their foothold in the workforce, and just now achieving what close to equal pay across the board. So far throughout history women often spent most of their time working in the home and making babies, unpaid. Not that they should be paid, it’s just a reality out society places no value on the pillars of reproduction that support it. It’s fine with me because as society advances and childbirth rates fall they will eventually have to incentivize women in some capacity.

On to violence, I would argue men have more violent acts as men are taking part in more violent acts. Also if your including war in this that’s not fair at all. A women is more likely to be a pure victim when she is raped, versus two guys fighting it out and one getting hurt. or two rival gang members killing each other. Men go to prison more too, because they commit more crime. Yes they get harsher sentences, but often the nature of the crimes they commit are harsher as well. Not to say this is fair, men should be taught healthier ways to deal with emotions and such. It’s sucky they are forced to act macho all the time which is dangerous for them.

[–]OfSpock0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]Strikes001-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

>Their sample was 1882 college student

Yeah, literally over a hundred year old study isn't going to be very accurate or relevant for today dude. Here's an updated version:Yeah, literally over a hundred year old study isn't going to be very accurate or relevant for today dude. Here's an updated version:

Yeah, literally over a hundred year old study isn't going to be very accurate or relevant for today dude. Here's an updated version:

https://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/

Much larger sample too!

[–]OfSpock1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

1882 is the number of students studied, not the year of the study.

[–]Strikes0010 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

My mistake, 2002 and 2009,still older than the CDC, and 1882 is far below the millions surveyed in my link, debunking the 1 and 20 joke.

[–]OfSpock0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The CDC study is about victims, not rapists.

[–]Strikes0010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

When you count the percentage are victims however, you can use that number to get the percentage of rapists, considering it takes at least one person to rape.

[–]tia-now2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll take it further and say a lot of people are misanthropes who assume all people are like them, only suppressing their selfish urges for fear of consequences.

[–]chaddad90003 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

IMO the interesting part of those surveys is a small number of men will admit to having raped multiple women.

Which make sense IMO that a small number of sociopaths are responsible for most rapes. (and therefore the "teach men not to rape" stuff is ineffective and retarded because the rapists know what they are doing.)

[–]PanderjitSingh_k-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But of course feminists realise that and aren’t intending to ‘fix’ rape by ‘teaching men not to rape’.

Their intent is to smear their betters in their endless quest for more privilege and tax dollars.

[–]PanderjitSingh_k-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

50% in Africa.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew10 points11 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

i think you have to clearly define what you mean as rape

would most men just walking down the street in the world violently assault a strange woman and have forcible sex with her right now, in the culture as it stands in the west? no

would most men "date rape" women, aka isolate a woman and pressure and coerce and possibly even hold her down to have sex with her? yes

[–]C0dey4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

You seem to have a very negative view of men if you think that's what most men would do.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew11 points12 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

tfw when youre "red pilled " about both male and female nature

[–]C0dey 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

Aka you're an idiot who believes everything they read in the internet and don't really know what you're talking about. Which is pretty much what all of your comments imply about you.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

how many men have you had sex with?

[–]C0dey 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Not 4 billion, which is the amount you'd need to sleep with to be regarded as an expert on this.

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be civil.

[–]ihurtmyangel6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Basic economics is that you will do everything you can until your own morals or an outside force stops you.

For me no but I'm not big on confrontation. If you'd ask about using coercion like food supplies; i am that terrible person.

Of course the same question can be asked with the sex reversed and I bet you would get similar responses.

[–]CatchPhrazeRed is For Rudolph6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Coercion is still rape though. Men who trade sex for safty in jail are still rape victims.

[–]max_peenorCertified TRP Shitlord0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

coercion like food supplies

Coercion is still rape though

TIL trading food for sex is rape.

[–]CatchPhrazeRed is For Rudolph1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If the other person has no other choice, what's the difference between

Taking sex by threat of death be it violent or starvation.

It is the same thing. Rape.

[–]max_peenor 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

So I am forced to give someone food because if not they will starve. You are raping my pantry, shitlord.

[–]tia-now-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I took 'coercion' in the sense that plays out in a lot of relationships every day. Man wants woman to 'want' him, so he does things that trigger that primal urge ... woman wants man to do things, so she triggers *his* primal urge by showing sexual intent. I'm not a RP, but to me that's at the core of the idea of seeing our intrapersonal politics for what they are.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

These are men who can’t bring themselves to shut off the video games, leave the house, go to where women are and say “hi.” They’re not going to become instant rapists. They say this shit out of anger and hurt at being rejected. it’s like a bizarre kind of revenge power thing where they’re using words to hurt and anger women the same way they feel hurt and angered by women.

Yeah there are rapists out there. But being a neckbeard loser isn’t a correlating characteristic in and of itself.

And seriously what is the obsession this sub has with arguing over whether all men are rapists or not?

[–]VirginPrideWorldWide0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It doesn't work that way.

[–]Planetof12-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Aren't most rapists actually successful people, at least socially? Pretty much most rapes I know (that happened to female friends) aren't the "grab her by force to a corner" and so forth. These are people who are socially skilled enough to get into an almost-intimate situation. Then, they use force.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t know about the socially successful part but it is a fact that most rapists know their victims. Which suggests they’re using the familiarity to gain intimate access to their victims and physically isolated them to commit the crime.

[–]CandleLessPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

A lot of them are. Think of guys like Bill Cosby, or Darron Sharper. Two very successful guys who probably didn't even "need" to rape and could have easily had sex with many people. But they chose to rape instead. Your average incel isn't social enough to have the opportunity to rape someone.

[–]Planetof120 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The incel panic is caused because mocking incels is comfortable.

Kodak Black is accused of rape, but Kodak Black is a successful rapper - that's highly attractive, especially to women. It's way harder going against men like this. Punching up is not fun.

[–]ohheyhi99Conflicted Feminist Man, No Pill3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn’t do it and I hope others wouldn’t, but some would. Some of those men would also be willing to hurt or murder me.

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TBH no. But then a significant part of my enjoyment of sex comes from her enjoying it as well. Even the little rapey noises the women make in (seemingly all) Japanese porn kinda kills it for me. I look for an imaginative and enthusiastic partner - and that's not at all what you're talking about.

[–]tia-now3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

On further reflection and seeing some responses, I have to qualify my answer by saying men between the ages of 15-25 (around the time the brain is fully developed and they're mostly as emotionally mature as they're gonna get) ... within that younger subset of men, rape is probably more likely. Not because of hormones, but a lack of empathy.

[–]PMmeYourHopes-Dreams 1 points [recovered]  (13 children) | Copy Link

Why do so many women have rape fantasies?

[–]frustrationlvl100 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy Link

There’s a theory that it’s because it takes the responsibility of the act away from the woman. Of course, having a fantasy doesn’t equate to wanting that thing to happen to you.

[–]fevertree 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

"If you can fight him off he wasn't strong enough to father your children" - monkey brain.

[–]The_Madmans_Reign 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Women can’t fight off weak men until they’re literal MMA stars. This type of thinking would qualify all men as strong enough.

[–]fevertree 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol...ok.

[–]phuk-nugget 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

^Do you know what a fantasy is lol

[–]FabulousTERF 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

we dont. men are rapists and the whole society is apologetic to rapists hence why you men think this way.

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Automod please.

[–]datingapppro9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

In a one off event? Absolutely not.

But if pushed men absolutely are capable of violence. In the event of two on an island I’d say it’s only a matter of time

[–]happycheese86No Pill2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The problem I see with the "2 people on an island" hypothetical is that they both have to sleep at some point. There's no creature comforts or modern security. The man could rape the woman when her guard is down as well as the woman could kill the man when his guard is down or asleep.

For me the question becomes, would you kill the man if you felt threatened, or would you wait until he actually committed a crime to slit his throat. Both sexes have their breaking points.

[–]datingapppro-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You overestimate a woman’s strength. If she had a sharp object then yes, stabbing will kill them. But a woman can get a freebie hit with a blunt object like a rock and all it’ll do Is piss the guy off

[–]happycheese86No Pill1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You underestimate a human's ability to figure out a way to kill someone or something larger than themselves.

[–]datingapppro0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

that's not how reality works. Sorry, but life isnt a movie

[–]czerdec11 points12 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Thought experiment time:

100% of women decide to say no to all offers of sex, for life

Inevitable result: the only sex that will happen is rape, by definition. The only children that will form the next generation are going to be the sons and daughters of rapists.

Assuming the daughters want to follow their mother's lead then the following generation will also be the sons and daughters of rapists.

Eventually some people will have to face the question: what matters more? The extinction of the species or consent?

Some people will say that consent is more important than existence of the species, others will say continuity is all.

As future generations confront this question, maybe people would stop even talking about consent.

That's just a thought experiment, but it suffices to point out that the idea of consent is not necessary to the continued existence of the species.

Many of you, perhaps all, will be certain that a world devoid of human life is preferable to a world without our ideas of consent. But a world without humans has no human kindness, no human love, no human happiness.

That's a great sacrifice. A philosopher could probably make a case that allowing those good things to continue might justify some sacrifice of the idea of consent, if the only other option is total disappearance.

Obviously, this is only a thought experiment. Plenty of women have consensual sex with men. But the rest of the mammalian kingdom has no idea of consent. So it's probably not a big surprise if, like all the other species we are related to, if consent is absent, some males will still, to some extent, still have sex with women, even if it's rape.

If men weren't taught not to respect consent, they probably wouldn't. If theft wasn't prohibited, most people would steal.

I could be wrong but the only way to be sure is to raise some children without teaching them consent and just see what they do. I don't think it's a good idea to run that experiment.

[–]RaspberryInk3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think given a few generations of this world you're describing it wouldn't even be rape. Sexual dynamics would be by force and both men and women would see that as the normal dynamic. Since we're going a bit more animal kingdom here, and "fidelity" would no longer be within her control, I expect men would have to fight off other men too.... both to acquire a mate and defend the mate they have.

As for if it would happen in the world you're describing, my theory is that survival of the species would trump any kind of civility. Base instincts have and always will come first.

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If there's no consent and no consensual relationship the only men who'd be protecting slaves or any men who want children they know are theirs. In a world with no consent there's no traditional fidelity.

Of course with fidelity breaking down in real life you're seeing more and more permissive attitudes to rape.

[–]ImsomnilandNo Pills thnx0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your post was hilarious. Philosophically musing the importance of the continuation of the species by exploring a fictional world where horrific widespread rape of women would be necessary. Just at thought. Obviously consent is important. Conclusion: Teaching people what is wrong is important.

Just an all around very enlightening post. Lmao

[–]PanderjitSingh_k0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s amazing. You’re so intent on smearing men you invent a fantasy world in which women cannot consent.

That’s dedicated hatred.

[–]Jaf19990 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Did you just defend rape?

[–]max_peenorCertified TRP Shitlord1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Thought experiment

Give it a try.

[–]Jaf1999-1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Any thought experiment that involves defending something as disgusting as rape should not be thought about at all

[–]max_peenorCertified TRP Shitlord2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A thought experiment doesn't defend anything. It's not a pro. It's not a con. It's using abstract thought to examine the situation. That's the point.

[–]FightGuard0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Why say that?

[–]boopetta 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

You sound like a rapist.

[–]FightGuard 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

No such thing

[–]boopetta 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ah, don’t realise you were a troll. As you were.

[–]FightGuard 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Be civil

[–]czerdec0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

should not be thought about at all

Wait, if you have come to that conclusion, that can only mean one thing:

You thought about it! You awful, awful, person.

Not only that, you're a worse person than me. Yes I thought about it and therefore that's bad, but I didn't know it was bad because I thought that thought crimes are just fiction. But you knew that thought crimes are real and you went ahead and committed the thought crime anyway.

[–]czerdec0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, I presented a form of trolley problem.

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No.

Shitty PEOPLE will do whatever they can get away with. Men and women can be equally shitty.

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker10 points11 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

The percentage of men who would rape if they could get away with it is probably similar to the percentage of women who would steal if they could get away with it. Of course, men steal too, but I'm trying to put it in terms that women will understand since most cannot put themselves into a man's mind.

[–]lemonfluff2 points3 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Stealing and rape are completely different things. A more akin comparison might be women beating the shit out of a man if it meant the could use a vibrator for half an hour. I don't think many women would do that. I still think a lot of guys would rape.

[–]SerorimanCombat-grade nerd5 points6 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Nope. Rape is not just about sexual release, power etc. - it's a mating strategy. A very one-sided and hostile one, but a mating strategy. The rapists lizard brain actually wants to impregnate the woman. It's more akin to violent robbery than theft, but....yeah.

[–]lemonfluff2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah maybe. But just wanted to say that's comparing it to stealing is just ridiculous. Your comment highlights that pretty well!

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

it's a mating strategy.

Then why is prison rape so common?

[–]SerorimanCombat-grade nerd1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

In that case it actually is about sexual release - with the added benefit of it also confirming or boosting the rapist's status in the very violent pecking order of prison (provided the victim doesn't retaliate or has friends who do).

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Also why do priests rape little boys?

Why do soldiers rape the enemy’s women?

Why do women outside of reproductive age get raped all the time?

Your mating strategy theory is weak and sounds like the kind of creepy shit that actually makes women think the manosphere is AMALT.

[–]SerorimanCombat-grade nerd0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

In this case I actually (cautiously) agree with the verdict of AMALT. Rape, as a mechanism, is wired into the brains of all men, it's just that a vast majority of men never rapes. They all could, though, and given the right triggers and circumstances quite a few would.

As for your examples...gay priests rape boys. Shocker. Why oh why wouldn't gay men go for women? Hmmm....And while older women do get raped (in war, too), the risk of being raped is far higher for younger women in reproductive ages. That is no coincidence. Statistically speaking all human beings alive have a few percent of rapist DNA in their ancestry. It's not anywhere near as prevalent as 3rd wave feminists make it (especially in prosperous and well-controlled societies), but it is a very real thing, and the basis is usually wired in the behaviours humans use to procreate.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

“It’s not as prevalent as feminists say”

Also

“All men are hard wired to rape.”

I guess you’re also going to tell me that men in prison are gay too.

[–]SerorimanCombat-grade nerd1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

...We are highly evolved apes. Modern behaviours are adapted from more primitive urges and simpler systems. People fuck even under circumstances that don't have a chance of producing offspring, but it's based on that mechanism.

All-male environments are, evolutionarily speaking, very recent and rather unnatural environments, and we still have the sexual impulse. Which will look for some kind of outlet. But even then, yes, given the McKinsey study asserts that only 20% of men are strictly heterosexual...yes, the men who rape in prison are either gay or bi-sexual, even if many of them are predominantly straight and never had much reason to express their sexuality in a homosexual way before prison.

Also: Yes, all men have the wiring that makes them potential rapists. They also have a lot of adaptions to rein it in, but it's not a 100% safe system.

Honestly, I feel like you're arguing in bad faith and looking for a Gotcha. Why don't you explain your views instead of just focussing on minutiae to poke holes in mine?

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I already did. It’s not a “mating strategy.” I provided plenty of examples disputing this. That you dont agree doesn’t mean I’m arguing in bad faith.

[–]czerdec0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Sex existed long before the idea of consent existed. Rape is as present in the female mind as it is in the male. Women become sexually aroused by images of rape, because rape is universal to the brains of all sexually reproducing species.

Women tend to be born with counter-impulses which usually repress the urge to rape, chiefly the urge to self-preservation.

But if you observe the history of Rome or the antebellum deep South one sees that when women have access to slaves, suddenly the reticence about fucking them against their will tends to go away.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

women have access to slaves, suddenly the reticence about fucking them against their will tends to go away.

Umm...what?

[–]PanderjitSingh_k 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

And yet we have very little rape.

Seems men are better people than you think. Perhaps you are a bigot.

[–]lemonfluff0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We really don't have that little rape. And 80% of women have been sexually assaulted.

Hmm considering all I said was that the damage done by raping someone was not akin to stealing their toys and you started name calling, I'm gonna say that I'M not the bigot in this conversation.

[–]C0dey1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Considering women rape men as often as the reverse? Yeah they would. https://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/

[–]sogol19903 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

most of them are transgender, also women dont see rape as an overpowering thing to men, women dont think less of men in human terms, but male rapist want to inflict pain and see women as objects

[–]C0dey0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

No, most of them are not transgender, but nice try in the poor attempt to absolve women of what they are doing. How about actually reading the article before coming up with that BS.

Source that suggests male rapists see their victims as objects? For that's also a load of crap. That isn't even getting into the rise of female teachers molesting young male students or female social workers grooming and molesting their vulnerable young male charges, or men raping boys, or women raping women. You'd have to be jumping through some serious mental hoops to justify saying only male rapists who rape women see women as objects.

[–]sogol1990-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/crhjqu/the_guardian_covers_up_the_fact_that_fake/

Ive lost the counts of times media used the word(woman) for some police who was once a man(now transwomen) and raped other people, I dont trust stats about female predators, also the mindset is never the same. men are programmed and encouraged by porn to rape women and young girls. whereas a woman having sex with a boy under 18 thinks she is doing a favor to him(still horrible but not the same as when men rape, also boys brag about and are grateful and even fantasizes about having sex with their teachers , while its male teachers who molest their female students ,both acts are encouraged by porn but they affect the desire of males , because women are not and cant be physically powerful as men and penetration is a vulnerable position, young boys think they have conquered their females teachers by having sex with them, never having the same traumatizing experience that wounds girls for the rest of their lives , they cant think their bodies belong to them anymore )

[–]Strikes0012 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

So basically, you have nothing to support anything you claim, just your clear biased sexism towards men while simultaneously infantilizing women. Your first link doesn't even include the cdc while the cdc was surveying heterosexual women.

The only reason you don't trust statistics regarding fem predators is due solely because it disproves your absurd narrative.

[–]sogol19900 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

sexism against men is a joke! you have no idea what sexism feels to a woman, constantly being degraded downplayed and seen less than a sexual object.(basically you are so determined that you made an account 20 minutes ago just to reply to me, thanks ,I find it so flattering LMAO)

UK Watchdog Group says “1 in 50 prisoners identify as trans”

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/chuuqi/one_in_50_prisoners_identify_as_transsexual_at/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/29/record-numbers-transgender-prisoners-transition-men-women/

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/cg6p5x/male_sexoffender_in_irish_womens_prison/

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/crhjqu/the_guardian_covers_up_the_fact_that_fake/

[–]Strikes0010 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is an alt account that I've had for a while, just never needed to use it, sorry hun but you aren't special. And it's amusing how you claim sexism against men is a joke, yet go and absurdly claim that women are constantly downplayed and degraded. Like my god, do you live in tumblr land or something? For in the real world, you get treated with faaaar lesser sentences for the same crimes as men, have free shelters in case you've been abused, taken seriously when claimed to be a victim of dv, have reproduction rights, exempt from the draft, gender specific grants and scholarships, as well as quotas, etc. Quite frankly I find it baffling that someone has there head so deep into the ground that they are blind from the world around them.

I get that you're a Terf, and the idea of women being just as bad as men is Alien to you, but I'm afraid it's true. If you bothered to check the link, you'll see that these weren't transsexuals that forced these men to penetrate them, but woman. These were men who reported being sexually assaulted, and raped. And if you are actually going to claim these were all trans, you're going to need a lot more than your laughable links, since not one of them has an extensive study like the one I linked, and took place after the study was finished, nor the fact that these transitions happen after they are in jail. Meaning they aren't even included.

That again doesn't change the fact that it still doesn't address the reports from victims themselves from the cdc, nor the rise in female teachers raping kids:

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20190603/more-female-teachers-caught-having-sex-with-students-experts-say

Even in prison, non trans woman sexually assault eachother all the time:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/258194023_Sexual_Assault_and_Coercion_among_Incarcerated_Women_Prisoners_Excerpts_from_Prison_Letters

What's funny is that by constantly trying to portray women as incapable of these offences, you are equatibg them to innocent children, which is rather misogynist in itself.

But you are from that gender critical sub, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

[–]sogol19900 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

your alt account for a while?(redditor for 3 hours), did you just forget reddit shows the age of your account? (I dont see why you need to lie about such a simple thing)

women actually get longer sentences then men for the same crime ,stop believing mesosphere lies, heres a glimpse of what actually happens:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2019/jan/12/intimate-partner-violence-gender-gap-cyntoia-brown

http://m.digitaljournal.com/news/crime/sentences-are-lighter-for-men-who-murder-female-partners-study/article/450197

The average prison sentence for men who kill their intimate partners is 2 to 6 years. Women who kill their partners are sentenced, on average, to 15 years. A pair of Maryland cases vividly illustrates this inequality in sentencing. In one case, a judge in Baltimore County, Maryland sentenced Kenneth Peacock to 18 months for killing his unfaithful wife. The very next day, another judge in the same county sentenced Patricia Ann Hawkins to three years in prison for killing her abusive husband. Significantly, the prosecutor in the Peacock case requested a sentence twice as long as the one imposed, while the prosecutor in the Hawkins case requested one-third of the sentence imposed.

also: Men are often charged for capital crimes like premeditated murder with a higher sentence because there is solid rock evidence of their intention to kill before they do it, plans, threads overheard by others and so on. All of those details are listed like a puzzle in any given case no matter what the sex of the deliquent is. There are just less women falling in that specific cathegory.

There are lesser women commiting crimes of violence and from that smaller amount even a much smaller amout can be proven to be intentional. Most homicides with female deliquents happen under accidential circumstances for which men are sentenced with the same lower degree of penalty too.

by the way, women are actually wise adults in comparison to men who never grow up and still need their mamas help in taking care of their basic needs,men who go on a mass shooting just because their entitlement in getting the hottest women failed them big time,(oh no one loves me no one gives me sex ,so Im gonna kill as many women as I can!!)

I have more precious things to do than arguing with the rest of your nonsense.

[–]Strikes001-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have more precious things to do than arguing with the rest of your nonsense.

Aka; "I can't disprove or argue against anything you said because you provided evidence to support your claims and provided indisputable facts regarding sexism against men and the privileges women have.

Amusing how you point out solely one type of crime to support your argument, perhaps because for every other crime men are sentences far more harshly?

https://www.law.umich.edu/newsandinfo/features/Pages/starr_gender_disparities.aspx

It's adorable that you think it's so bad that women can potentionally get charge longer for one crime yet not feel the same for the reverse, really illustrates your misandry ignorance, and hypocrisy.

And women are wiser adults? Lol! Tell that to the preteen student boys they rape, or the sons they sabatoge if they lack a positive male role model: https://living.thebump.com/effects-single-parents-boys-9811.html https://www.mnpsych.org/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_dailyplanetblog%26view%3Dentry%26category%3Dindustry%2520news%26id%3D54 https://www.liveabout.com/fatherless-children-in-america-statistics-1270392

Mims just aren't really needed other than giving birth to the kids really. If they were so wise, they wouldn't suck as single parents.

[–]sophii10 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

how is putting yourself in a mans mind equating physically harming someone with taking a material item?

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think that, if he is aroused enough, the typical male mind objectifies a woman when it comes to sex much as a human mind objectifies an item that is there to be taken. It is only a very principled man who I believe would not rape if he knew that he could get away with it with no punishment. I think that the behavior of men throughout history has borne this hypothesis out, as well.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Lol yes

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

How all these people think otherwise is really amusing

They really don't know what they are capable of

Put a man in a wild situation and his inner caveman will come out

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

theyre just doing a counter feminist AMALT men-are-wonderful narrative, they dont believe it

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually I think they do believe it, that's what makes it even funnier

I'm constantly amazed how well we can lie to ourselves and believe the lie and then forget it was a lie in the first place

[–]lemonfluff3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What is AMALT? And yes, they're delusional or completely ignorant.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i should have written NAMALT

"not all men are like that"

[–]LivelyChartreusePurge Queen5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Of course they would

[–]C0dey-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Of course they wouldn't

FTFY

[–]LivelyChartreusePurge Queen2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why would men not rape a woman when there are no consequences? I am of the opinion civilization controls and reduces violence, so where there is none man is free to be as destructive and monstrous as he wants.

[–]C0dey1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because it's not based in reality? Especially since you seem to attribute this to solely men, illustrating a sexist biased from the get go, when by your logic women would be doing the same thing:

https://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/

This isn't even going into the on-going rise of female teachers molesting young male students and female social workers grooming and raping their male charges,in which case, we better make sure women are kept the hell away from little boys less they rape them XD.

Fact to the matter is, morality isn't a social construct. It is something the majority feels, and so laws are circled around it. The logic you're using is no different than what is used by some religious people that suggest without religion we would be raping and killing everyone we see fit.

It isn't based in reality, nor is it scientifically or historically accurate.

[–]LivelyChartreusePurge Queen1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay when you date men lemme know

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Extrapolating from personal experience, No.

I've been rejected a good handful of times, and never ended up raping the woman. And not even once my immediate thought upon rejection was "I'd rape you if there was no law enforcement". Meanwhile, "I'd kill you if there was no law enforcement" is something that I thought about several relatives.

[–]AtheistJeww2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

When I first read the question I immediately thought "No, they wouldn't", then I read your scenario and I reconsidered my first answer. It's very hard to imagine a real-life scenario that doesn't have consequences and risks when it comes to committing rape but your scenario does a good job with that. I think most men would contemplate rape in the scenario you described, many many would actually commit that at some point. The first part of the movie "Swept Away" depicts such a scenario pretty realistically.

[–]tia-now1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

a real-life scenario that doesn't have consequences and risks

I can't relate to this. At all. You're basically already bought-in to OPs premise that the only thing stopping men from commiting rape is fear of consequences. It's alarming how people see others as devoid of empathy and principled decency.

[–]AtheistJeww-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

As another user said, raping women en masse after invasion has been the historical norm. You'd be an idiot not to understand what that says about impulses and the necessity of law. People have empathy but empathy doesn't go a long way when people are pushed to the extreme and resources are scarce, this includes sexual feelings. Society falls into chaos when peopleìs basic needs are not met.

I'd have a constant boner around a woman like that which would add to the pain, I wouldn't be able to hold my feelings back for years without at least contemplating rape at some point. I'd probably coerce her with resources and verbal abuse though, physically hurting someone is too much for me but, again, that's a pretty extreme situation so it's hard to imagine how desperate people can become.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19933 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Society falls into chaos when peopleìs basic needs are not met.

men's need to empty them balls< women's right to bodily autonomy.

[–]AtheistJeww-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've literally just said that lack of resources and extreme condition can make people put egoistical needs over empathy, I've never said that rape is morally right . Your comment is basically a copy of the comment I was replying to.

[–]tia-now0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As another user said, raping women en masse after invasion has been the historical norm.

Oh! Well, I suppose if OP had asked "would most soldiers in a conquering army throughout history and from every culture rape the women of the land they'd invaded?" I may have to agree.

You'd be an idiot not to understand what that says about impulses and the necessity of law. People have empathy but empathy doesn't go a long way when people are pushed to the extreme and resources are scarce,

Most of that wasn't in OPs scenario, though. In fact, on further reflection I'd say a year into a survival situation where the two have had to overcome hardships and work as a team? They're most likely fucking, and it's mutually consensual.

Society falls into chaos when peopleìs basic needs are not met.

Uh, yeah, but women have the same needs, and even if the guy has proven to be the weaker of the pair, if it's just the two of them? Yeah, they're fully bonded and boning happily.

I'd have a constant boner around a woman like that which would add to the pain, I wouldn't be able to hold my feelings back for years without at least contemplating rape at some point. I'd probably coerce her with resources and verbal abuse though,

Oh, fuck! I laughed out loud when I got to this part after replying to the rest. I'm not going make any of the obvious guesses as to why you would have those thoughts and feelings, but I definitely can not relate and I don't think "most men" could.

[–]maljo242 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Violence would be a complete turn off, so no.

[–]doctor_awfulChad ThunderDoc2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well idk about most but I fucking wouldn't.

[–]tia-now2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Huh? No! Hell, no!

the large amount of online comments from men who say they would commit rape if they could completely get away with it

I'm almost afraid to ask, but where did you see that?

Myself, I would rather jerk off if the woman is anything less than enthusiastic. It's actually been a problem with two women who seemed to still have an old-fashioned idea that sex is something you do for a man, either as a reward or duty. I could see the idea you're floating being on the same messed-up spectrum.

This could explain why so many powerful and educated men are found to be serial rapists even in this day and age.

Are they? I know the accusations have increased, but we've really got to get away from the idea that accusations are anything more than that, and be honest with ourselves about the credibility of each case (while taking every alleged victim seriously)

[–]ZippyHead_2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the guys who would rape would definitely never reveal it, even online. Though i believe the situation you stated above would least most guys to rape, even if they dont think they would as thats an extreme situation and people act crazy in those situations

[–]MattcwuJust sticking up for the oppressed and voiceless women2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

men who say they would commit rape if they could completely get away with it

Emphasis on completely. The book, "Crime and Punishment" is a really great novel that takes a close look at what it means to "completely get away with it". I definitely recommend it.

[–]Iakov-the-rat2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Likely answer would be no. What I personally think would happen (and I could be wrong) is a gradual transition from not liking each other to just being a full on survivalist couple.

[–]mindplaybyneoYour best lover, but don't want the left overs.2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. Cause there is no satisfaction in anything that was forced. Also I personally like it when the girl wanted me back as much as I wanted her. So rape is a pretty fucked up idea for me. There is a joy learning how to actually interact with women and having to get responses while learning it.

[–]katrplr2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I doubt it. It's not like he can't just jerk it and she clearly doesn't want to. I mean, I'm not a guy but I find it hard to believe a normal sane person can enjoy sex with someone who isn't attracted to them and is constantly rejecting them. I imagine men also feel bad when they get rejected or are called unattractive, why would you wanna sleep with someone who makes you feel bad?

[–]tidderfodnimpot[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yet men still exploit prostitutes and watch degrading pornography.

[–]katrplr0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah some, more than women for sure but lots of women do watch rape fantasy porn. Most men don't exploit prostitutes and enjoying degrading pornography doesn't mean you would actually want to do that. Just like how women who like rape fantasy porn don't actually want to be raped.

[–]tidderfodnimpot[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah sure, keep living in your fantasy world.

[–]katrplr0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha okay I will

[–]people_watcher2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. I would get no pleasure at all from someone who was not enthusiastically involved. I'm sure most men would agree.

[–]cooktight 1 points [recovered]  (90 children) | Copy Link

Its amazing how important it is to women to believe the above. Over and over in so many different forums women talk about how "all men are potential rapists". Like the only thing holding men back from outbreaks of mass rape is a fragile social compact. The massive exaggeration of rape statistics.

Its like some kind of deep cave women need to believe they're surrounded by monstrous animalistic rape machines. Forever only seconds away from some kind of weird fantasy or something.

Newsflash: Guys don't care about rape. You do. There's a tiny percentage of men of are psychopaths (who are probably not interested in you, hide your disappointment) who enjoy rape. But the other 99% are never going to rape anyone. FFS just look at how difficult it is for women to find guys interested in even exploring vanilla BDSM. I'm sorry, buh if you were stuck on a desert island with average men and you sexually teased them every day for months they're not going to break down urom their social conditioning and release their murderous inner demon and take you in a violent rape gang bang. Guys don't want to rape anyone. Its not a turn on. Its not interesting. Guys don't look it up on porn in significant numbers (women do). Guys want women who are enthusiastically into having sex with them. Not the opposite of that.

[–]lemonfluff15 points16 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Maybe because we've had so many situations where the guy has got really rapey the second we or they had a drink or there were no other people around. I've been on an island before, not stranded, but there's only so many places to go and not many witnesses. I literally had five different guys get supppper rapey there. In ONE night. Completely unrelated to each other, they didn't even see each other. Normal, good looking, popular, educated guys who had lives, jobs, families back home. I wasn't drunk, I wasn't dressed provocatively, I wasn't even flirting. I was just there.

One held me down and did try and rape me. Another follows me to my hostel after I got away from a different guy, then bear hugged me and wouldn't let me go till I kissed him. He let go when someone eventually walked by. One followed me everywhere, including waiting outside my hostel and tried to trick me into going alone with him down the beach. Another told me he was leading me to a gathering and got me lost in the jungle so he could make advances and confess his love... And the last one, two days later, told his friends he was looking after me when my blood sugars dropped too low and I needed food asap and was getting confused and weak and he took that time to isolate me and grope me / drag me somewhere even more private. I got away because someone saw and helped me. Like... That's an example of just 24 hours where there were no real consequences for their actions and they weren't going to be caught. There's obviously been many more near incidences.

And its not a rare occurance. Its super common, many women have similar stories. I've had guys brag to me about similar stories because they put it down more as flirting "she wanted to fuck me, she was ready to fuck me, I know she was". Or "just assume consent till she says no".

There's reasons women think a good amount of guys would rape. Because they've seen hints of that behaviour all the time.

[–]TheLongerCon0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

None of that surprises me, but that still doesn't mean the typical man will rape.

I wouldn't be surprised if its something like a Pareto distribution, with 20 percent of men be responsible for 80 percent of those experiences, and seeing as most women will interact with hundreds of guys in their lifetime, they're almost all going to run in someone in that 20 percent.

It's like if a white dude in a suit went into the most dangerous areas of Chicago at night, most of the people wouldn't want the mug or harm him, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a dangerous thing to do.

[–]lemonfluff7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes except this wouldn't be going out into a dodgy part of Chicago, it would be just existing. And 20% is still 1 in 5 men. It's like us saying to a group of 5 men "that guy did this to me" and then the other 4 going "you're making it up. I didnt see it happen. Why are you afraid, why don't you trust us? We wouldnt do that. You're so entitled". In fact, it's like all 5 saying that and the loudest and angriest is the guy who did it.

What I'm trying to say that this 1 in 5 guy IS a typical man. If you isolated all those guys and put them together they would be an almost representative sample of the general population. Probably not completely but it would be diverse, and would not be consisting mostly of outliers with a pretty standard deviation. So there's no easy way of telling who is who. There's often some signs, I know I wouldn't go home alone with that guy, or looking back, I can see somme redflags, but there's also so many that take you by complete surprised.

And not all catcallers, harrassers, guys who get angry at rejection, gropers etc would rape. But there's no way of knowing who is who.

[–]TheLongerCon-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And 20% is still 1 in 5

No, it's not really. Even within that 20 percent, there's massive variance. And of course, 20 percent is likely wrong, probably an overestimate based on most of the criminal justice literature available on the subject, although that has its own bias

It's like us saying to a group of 5 men "that guy did this to me" and then the other 4 going "you're making it up. I didnt see it happen. Why are you afraid, why don't you trust us? We wouldnt do that. You're so entitled". In fact, it's like all 5 saying that and the loudest and angriest is the guy who did it.

So not only do you think 1 in 5 men are rapist, but you think the other 4 in 5 will refuse to believe women in any circumstance?

What I'm trying to say that this 1 in 5 guy IS a typical man

I guess this comes down to a subjective interpretation of language, but I'd disagreed that most people would consider 20 percentile of most fat-tailed distributions "typical". To illustrate the point: 1 in 5 Americans makes 127k or more, would you consider an income of 127k typical? Would you consider a room full of people who make 127k and up typical?

If you isolated all those guys and put them together they would be an almost representative sample of the general population.

Representative in what sense? Age, race, income, personality? Seeing as no one actually interacts with a representative sample of the general population, how would you, or anyone else know this without actual data to back to you up?

So there's no easy way of telling who is who.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was true, atleast in the positive case. There's no easy way to tell if seemingly good are secretly bad, but a homeless guy jerking off on the bus is easily distinguished as a bad guy.

Easier for a criminal to pretend to be an honest man, than an honest man pretend to be a criminal.

Look, I'm not going to say we can know what would happen in this little island hypothetical, mainly because it's so bizarre we don't really have anything to compare it to. But no one here does either.

[–]lemonfluff3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So not only do you think 1 in 5 men are rapist, but you think the other 4 in 5 will refuse to believe women in any circumstance?

Dude... I was using your numbers for the hypothetical scenario. Obviously the numbers aren't accurate, but they're a good analogy. Honestly....

Yes, most of the men on here are outright refusing to believe women. That is a huge part of most arguments I've seen against the metoo movement, against feminism, against women taking basic precautions, against acknowledging there's a problem; they literally say you're making it up, that you are exaggerating for attention, and if they're forced to admit something did happen they either say you were asking for it, you "choose the wrong guys" or they say "not all men - if you're so scared maybe you shouldn't leave the house".

What I said above, "you're making it up. I didnt see it happen. Why are you afraid, why don't you trust us? We wouldnt do that. You're so entitled". Are all common phrases I've seen said as main arguments in these examples. A good example is any thread where a woman goes "I have a boyfriend" when a stranger approaches her in public. The comment thread is flooded with those responses.

I guess this comes down to a subjective interpretation of language, but I'd disagreed that most people would consider 20 percentile of most fat-tailed distributions "typical". To illustrate the point: 1 in 5 Americans makes 127k or more, would you consider an income of 127k typical? Would you consider a room full of people who make 127k and up typical?

You're completely missing the point here. Again, I'm using YOUR numbers, theyre not accurate. I'm saying that guy that is assaulting women is representative of the typical man. That the people who do this are "normal" people.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

As far as I can tell this pure projection. I've never met a man who had any desire to rape women.

I've met countless women who got turned on big time by engaging in some kind of rape fantasy/role play

[–]OfSpock1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

According to one study, 30% of men would rape a woman if there were no consequences, so you have, you just didn't realise it. According to another, 5% of men are repeat rapists, so you've met one of those too.

[–]darksoldierkPurple Pill0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Depends on how the study defined rape. When men think of rape, they think of forcefully penetrating a woman who was against the idea from the start, they don't think of a woman who agrees after a drink then regrets it the next morning. They don't think of rape as a guy who looks in the general direction of a woman's chest, or because a guy catcalled. Yet, any of the things mentioned above, in some states and countries would be included in the legal definition of rape or sexual harassment.

[–]OfSpock0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

In the first one, they asked men if they would rape a woman if they were sure they wouldn't get caught. In the second, they asked about using force or deliberately getting the woman so drunk she couldn't fight them off.

[–]darksoldierkPurple Pill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Studies don't work that way. They are required to be more specific. So it would asks questions like "would you touch a woman's breasts if you knew you wouldn't get caught?". That isn't rape.

In terms of deliberately getting a woman drunk, Studies wouldn't say things like "so she can't fight you off". That's a loaded question. A study would say "would you have sex with a woman who you know has had 4 drinks and is clearly slurring her words". Again, to men, that's not rape.

A study that asks loaded questions is a poor study because it's unbiased. It's like, if I went around asking "do you like being gay?". THAT's a loaded question because the assumption is that the person is gay. If i ask "would you have sex with a woman who's passed out drunk?", THAT's a loaded question if the answer "yes" directly concludes that the person would rape that woman.

[–]GhostofB 1 points [recovered]  (76 children) | Copy Link

It's interesting that most of the women are saying yes in this thread, while most of the men are saying no.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew22 points23 points  (73 children) | Copy Link

because almost every sexually active woman alive has been "Date raped" in some non criminal manner, that she didnt make a big deal out of or press anythign about

what do you think the female experience of male sexuality is? its pushiness, demandingness, coercive, aggressive

how would you know what its like to fuck men or how women form these associations?

[–]GhostofB 1 points [recovered]  (62 children) | Copy Link

If the majority of guys you know are like this, you need to change your social circle.

[–]happycheese86No Pill1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"I don't sell apples, so let me tell you how apple thieves don't exist"

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew16 points17 points  (59 children) | Copy Link

Lol

AMALT

Its amazing that men think they know what it's like to date men. How do YOU think men act when you get alone with them?

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's because men don't perceive themselves as having ever been pushy, demanding, coercive or aggressive.

Maybe not AMALT, but if we say 30-40% are it's significant enough that most women are going to have enough experience with it to form such views.

[–]tia-now6 points7 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Its amazing that men think they know what it's like to date men. How do YOU think men act when you get alone with them?

It's fascinating. So much to unpack here. So let me get this straight ... you're talking to men about how men act, thinking that your experience as a woman who has dated men overrules their experience of actually being men?

On a related note, I had one LTR with a woman who didn't seem all that into me, although she claimed she was. Long story short, she eventually found out I'd rather jerk off than be with someone who wasn't enthusiastic.

During the brief time that I bothered arguing with her about it, she tried to tell me that women just aren't into sex like men are.

My response was kind of the same as yours above, that her perception about women was skewed by her own issues. That most women are every bit as sexual as men. But in my case, I was right, and the advice of /u/GhostofB (to stop dating the abnormal person) was spot on.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew11 points12 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

you're talking to men about how men act, thinking that your experience as a woman who has dated men overrules their experience of actually being men?

this is LITERALLY verebatim 100% what TRP and MGTOWS argue when women NAWALT

this whole thread is frankly hilarious

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

this is LITERALLY verebatim 100% what TRP and MGTOWS argue when men AWALT

this was going to be exactly my next point.

How would this questions go down if it were something like:

would most woman secure a loyal, 10/10, financially successful chad if they could get away with it? (even if his personality was significantly worse that a 5/10 beta male)

[–]tia-now5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, I joined this sub thinking it would be interesting to see gender politics debated. What is AWALT?

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

well, you should have joined this sub to see discussion of the red pill and know its basic terminology, because thats what this sub is about. theres a glossary on the sidebar

[–]tia-now3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I know about red pill and blue pill. I don't consider myself either. That's why I joined this sub. It was sometime last year, though. I'll swing through the sidebar again.

[–]GhostofB 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

Another foolish claim. You're just as bad as the portion of moronic TRP's and MGTOWs who make "all" claims. Not worth listening to.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

I know not to take you seriously.

block me

[–]GhostofB 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

You don't get to tell me what to do.

[–]tia-now2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I figured it out. All Women Aren't Like That?

Mind you, I didn't say your experience wasn't valid. Just that in my experience, with the one LTR, it was me arguing that she didn't think they way every other woman I'd been with did. And I was right.

[–]C0dey8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's amazing that women think they know how men think when certain individuals such as yourself routinely display the opposite.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

lololol

[–]ArcheryDude1013 points4 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

Not like this:

pushiness, demandingness, coercive, aggressive

That just indicates a shitty choice in men. Just because your type of guy isn't Prince Charming doesn't indicate that the rest of the male population is the same.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew15 points16 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

this is literlaly how men behave. its not "shitty" men its all men

every single one of you on this thread are behaving EXACTLY like WOMEN reading TRP for the first time and running around NAWALTING at everyone

"TRP only works on shitty women"--ring a bell?

[–]drunken_heretic 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Good thing all women are shitty lmaoooo

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yes thats right, who do you think youre "you too'ing" at?

[–]ArcheryDude1010 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Not really. The Red pill, in my opinion is an amoral set of tools. While it is effective, it depends on how you use it. I only use the techniques if I absolutely have to when flirting/escalating, but otherwise, it's been going pretty decent for me when I stick to wordplay and a little teasing. You seem to want to put all men in this box which corresponds with your set of beliefs, but the fact remains that not all men are like that. The red pill has very negative views about women, and I don't at all agree with them. Yes, some women do behave in a manner that is described there, but not all. A lot of men flock to these ideas because they are trying to heal some pain from some woman who hurt them, which isn't healthy. Could you be doing the same?

[–]SmurfESmurferson5 points6 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

She’s not wrong. Men behave like this behind closed doors, though they won’t admit to their bros it due to social pressure

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

they literally have no idea, this thread is hilarious

[–]GhostofB 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

I know how I behave behind closed doors. Your viewpoint is preposterous.

[–]lemonfluff9 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

It's not about a choice of guy. Most of the time these are guys we are turning down. It's about getting constant exposure to this kind of behaviour depaite and especially BECAUSE we're saying no.

But of course you blame us. Because that makes it easier than accepting that the reason women are saying a lot of guys are like this is because a lot of guys are like this.

[–]ArcheryDude1013 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

It's still a biased sample. The men who don't do this sort of thing don't exactly get attention for what they are not doing. You guys might just be looking at the same group of dudes who act like creeps and generalizing all men to be the same. I have sympathy for your situation with creeps, and we can both agree that they should be acting like that. However, I personally don't like being called out for something I didn't do, which I believe is a sentiment that I believe that anyone could agree with. If women generalize like this irl(which they do), then it's even worse because I can't say anything about it.

[–]lemonfluff1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Is it a biased sample when it's literally tens of guys per woman? Like if each woman has 60 experiences in her lifetime (not including catcalling) maybe that's just 60 guys out of all the guys she knows, but it's a huge variety of types of men (not always the same profile) and it's still a lot. And some of these might be "tame" like perisstance or groping and some might be rape or threat of violence. And because it includes a lot of totally normal seeming guys there's just no way of knowing which other guys you know do it to other women, or would have done it to you but didn't have the chance?

[–]ArcheryDude1011 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You can be cautious about the guys, and be wary when interacting with them. That's perfectly fine. I don't disagree with that since you are looking out for yourself. However, my point is that while it might be factual that there may be 10 guys per woman, there could be 20 guys per women who don't do this sort of thing. I don't disagree with you at all that those 10 guys are menaces to society with their persistence, groping, raping, and threats of violence. However, why do the other 20 have to feel the punishment along with those 10? Why do we have to be called rapists and abusers when we did nothing to deserve those kinds of titles? It's crap like this that drives boys and young men to support mysogynistic ideas in various groups on the internet. Men who actually do get screwed over by women only add fuel to the fire in these places, which makes the groups stronger since it is proof of their ideas being real. I'm not saying that you go forward in life trusting every dude you come across. Trust is earned, regardless of gender. All I'm saying is to not demonize every man as being that kind of person when you don't know for sure if he is or not.

[–]madcockatielAlpha Bird, Slayer of Cloaca0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Dude. “Pushy, demanding, coercive, aggressive” is such mild condemnation of male sexuality. It’s not even condemnation really, it just is, even for the pussy beta nu male cucks that I’ve dated. Rational thinking turns off the moment a guy gets a boner, every straight woman knows this.

[–]ArcheryDude1010 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol, I think you underestimate how often guys get boners, especially if they are younger. We can still think rationally. You just have a lot of experience with the creeps who choose not to.

[–]madcockatielAlpha Bird, Slayer of Cloaca0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most of those “creeps” are fine and decent people who do not sexually assault anybody, but pretty much all men act pushy and demanding once certain horny level is reached. Maybe you’re an unusually passive man, maybe what I consider pushy and aggressive you just consider normal, who knows. But it’s not about a particular woman’s choice of men, it’s just the way men act when their hormones are up. It’s whether or not they’re able to take a step back and chill when asked to do so that separates the creeps from the non creeps imo, and I’ve been lucky enough to encounter only non creeps. Not everyone is so lucky.

[–]chaddad9000-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I think what you're missing here is that's almost a stereotype that NiceGuys will get this way when they're getting jilted. So from a woman's pov its almost impossible to tell the bad guys from the good.

[–]ArcheryDude1011 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sure. That only warrants a negative reaction towards NiceGuys though. Why do all men have to be beaten over the head for something they didn't do? I personally don't like being generalized as a creep just because I'm a guy. I honestly doubt any other guy who is like me does either.

[–]chaddad9000-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So of the nice guys you know, you can tell which ones are NiceGuys? I think you came in with a stereotype but its often the beta/omega guys who get really rapey. And yes, it can suck sometimes, but there's enough creep behavior its understandable that women are aware of the potential. (And there's also enough guys itt saying they'd rape the woman on the island to justify that.)

[–]PanderjitSingh_k-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If men in general were as bad as feminists pretend they wouldn’t be permitted to be literate and online spreading their hate propaganda.

Let’s not pretend women aren’t more socially powerful than men.

[–]chaddad90000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

wierdo reply which has nothing related to what I said

[–]tia-now2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Listen, all we know it's what's in our hearts and those of our friends. I think the behavior you're describing is like a lot of abhorrent behavior we talk about lately ... more prevalent than we might've thought 10-20 years ago, but definitely not as prevalent as the media and online comments might have you believe.

I will say this, I know sometimes a woman will feel threatened by an angry man, and that a sexually frustrated man can lose his temper over it, but the connective synapse that would translate that to rape or any violence toward a woman is just not there for most of us.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

look, i get it that men dont like to see the truth about themselves

[–]PanderjitSingh_k-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If men were what you thought you wouldn’t be literate.

Show some gratitude to the people who pulled you out of the Stone Age.

[–]OHG13 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lollllllll incel mad!

[–]GhostofB 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

You're not very rational.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

how do you think men behave when they're trying to obtain sex with women they're alone with and the women resist, tell me

[–]GhostofB 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm a man, and I know how I behave in that situation. I stop. You go ahead though and say all men turn into rapists including me. Call me a rapist if you want, I don't care, you've proven your opinion is worthless already.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is tge identical thing wimen say when confronted with TRP. You are a man who knows what YOU also on dates with women, only women see multiple male dating behaviors in the course of their lives You sound just like women who deny what TRP says women behave like on dates and for the same reason. Women dont date women as heterosexual.men and theres a whole universe of behaviors in one sex that ONLY the opposite sex sees in a dating context

[–]Planetof120 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Keep in mind that 'pushiness, demandingness, coercive, aggressive' are the most accessible male traits for women. Since they're mostly passive, they never do any chasing - and so mostly the pushy people end up with women.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes I know. I am not judging men. I'm staring facts

[–]darksoldierkPurple Pill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

> because almost every sexually active woman alive has been "Date raped" in some non criminal manner, that she didnt make a big deal out of or press anythign about

The same statement could be said with men. I once passed out drunk at a party and woke up to find a woman on top of me. I remember going to a party where I got felt up by this one woman non-stop. I also remember having to leave a club because one of my friends was being felt up by this one woman so much that he stopped enjoying his time.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok

[–]C0dey-2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You form these ignorant opinions based solely on your (alleged)experience and flat-out ignorance of the opposite gender. Most people aren't raped, no, so to suggest "almost every woman"is as laughable as it is stupid and zero basis to it.

What you described isn't even someone men alone: https://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

waaa waa waaa men-are-wonderful, NAMALT NAMALT NAMALT lol

[–]C0dey 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Lack of an intelligent reply in the face of a standard reply. Expected from someone who buys into what you believe.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

theres nothing to debate. rape is male nature, resource extraction is female nature

[–]C0dey 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Stated quite literally based on nothing but your lack of intelligence.

[–]DragoonXFury22 Yr Black Virgin Skater Stoner Anime Nerd NPC-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

🙃 Y N O R I

[–]OHG10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

War rape stats blow your argument apart dude. Hundreds of thousands to millions of rapes.

[–]Cissnowflake8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hmm, would most divorcing women take a man for everything they could if they could get away with it?

[–]Almondxxx3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No. Not everyone’s an asshole.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The question was most, not all

Most people are selfish and pretty shitty

[–]strptrk3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, I can't speak for others, but I definitely couldn't do it.

Before my current partner got used to my size, she was in pain when we had sex and it was a total mood killer to see her in pain, I often stopped immediately. I can't imagine having sex with someone who's not only not enjoying it, but actively resisting it.

TLDR: it's a huge NO from me

[–]pizza_tron1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Would never rape under desert island context or if no one found out. 0% chance.

[–]PanderjitSingh_k1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why even ask? Who made laws against rape? Was it amazing, smart feminists? No, it was men.

[–]bannedagainyawnNo Pill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Humans are sick creatures in a fallen state. Most would do ANYTHING if they could get away with it. Men especially, sexually.

[–]Psych0_W0lf1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's basically extra religious people's logic towards atheists.

Like they are not doing anything bad because they will go to hell for doing that; not because they are not supposed to do that no matter what!

[–]Nyquil-Junkie1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I shocked at how many people get away with rap. I've had my ear holes raped with rap and nobody seems to care about my trauma.

[–]_Last_Man_Standing_Seeker Of Truth1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

fuck NO

[–]greens_and_peas1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do people seriously think we're such animals that we would just start raping en masse? That's unbelievably insulting

[–]TopOccasion29Mostly Red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a fascinating discussion.

I don't think I'll ever rape a woman in any situation/circumstance whatsoever. Of course it'll suck that your ideal woman won't have sex with you after your advances for a year but i'll rather masturbate than rape her. It goes against my code and no matter what i don't think i'll cross that line. It screams low value and pathetic desperation to rape someone.

This reminds me of that movie "The passengers" with Chris Pratt and Jennifer Lawrence. Imagine if she never found him attractive and denied him sex?

An interesting question for women is would you give yourself to a man you don't find attractive if the environmental situations and conditions are as OP described so as to not risk getting raped? I believe women will offer sex to please the man to prevent getting raped by him.

[–]washington_breadstixM'gtow1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was shocked while reading the large amount of online comments from men who say they would commit rape if they could completely get away with it

I get the feeling (and I hope) that a lot of those guys are just trying to say something shocking in order to get a rise out of people.

[–]smokecheck19761 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. Most men don't want a woman that is resisting him with force.

[–]AggravatingTartlet1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The question is, would most women kill their rapist if they could get away with it. And the answer is probably yes.

If he rapes her, she might kill him. So, he gets one chance at sex. That night, she cuts his throat while he's sleeping.

She gets to live the rest of her life in peace. Win/win.

[–]bonusfruit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is a reason not to rape that people miss: its not gratifying, a typical man gets nothing out of it. One thing about male sexuality that people miss because they are busy vilifying it is that a womans desire is as arousing as the act itself. Her being wet and moaning yes and moving favorably to a mans touch is what makes sex feel good. If she's disinterested or resisting its kills the mood for both sexes, not just her

[–]VirginPrideWorldWide1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm virgin. I feel empathy for people, women included, but after year a in desert island I'd realize that I will probably die there. I want to experience sex before I die so yes, I'd rape the woman in the situation you have described. It's not all about consequences, otherwise I'd rape her in the first few days but one year would probacly be enough to reduce my empathy enough to commit rape. Extreme conditions and lack of resources make people do crazy things, this includes sexual needs too.

[–]ScarletNumeroo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only surprise is that it would be one year. I would rape her on the first night if she shot me down.

[–]superlurkage1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The answer, as always, is YES with a lot of prevariacating

[–]4gotOldU-nameAvoiding Kool-Aid as Much as Possible1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is completely flawed. So are many of the discussions following. Rape isn't about sex, it's about power and control.

In this thread, ancient armies raping after a victory is mentioned. This is about power and control, too. Also, men in this thread discuss how, when a woman starts to fight back, it's a boner killer. Why? Because the men wanted sex, not some dominating and victory (control).

So, unless it's a "mate or die" situation on that fictitious island, it just wouldn't happen -- they need each other to survive.

Edit: I would think that someone who has the username "top mind of reddit" backwards would have better situational posts... 😂😂

[–]MisterJose2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Generally no. Definitely not if we're talking about violent rape. If we're talking about we're both laying there, and she looks really good and I go to touch her and she doesn't put up any real resistance, and it's enough for me to convince myself that she's good with what I'm doing, I could see that happening. But I suppose that's technically not rape, unless you're into affirmative consent.

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

if that really happened, the woman would be fucking the guy by day 3. alone in a scary stressful situation and your only companion is a person of the opposite sex? they're gonna fuck.

[–]eaazzy_131 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

If I was stranded on a desert island for a year without a nut, I’d rape anything I possibly could. Even if it was a another man I was stranded with, id probably try my hand at raping him after long enough without a nut.

[–]lemonfluff1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Are you normally into men?

Also even if he was bigger than you? Also you could masturbate just shed be saying no to sex.

[–]eaazzy_130 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No I’ve never been interested in men. But after a couple years I’d prolly try and trap some sort of Impala or Aardvark to fuck. I wish I was kidding but I think in that exact scenario, I would eventually lose my shit.

Edit: if he was bigger/more dominant than me I might not try it. It just seems like several years without a warm orifice, couple with being stranded on an island living like an animal, would really take a toll on a person.

[–]lemonfluff0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow so even if you could masturbate and cum from that, just not having sex for a year would make you resort to that?

[–]4gotOldU-nameAvoiding Kool-Aid as Much as Possible1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, that's just you trying to flex.

[–]RT-AC66U3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Misandry propaganda

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think so, yes.

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[–]_Tumbleweed-Gym Thot14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most rapists already get away with rape. That's reality.

[–]Red__Blue6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How do we push this post into r/all?

[–]Tayterthot3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Please tell me I’m not the only one who, in the woman’s position, would just kill myself to leave the man in complete social isolation once he proved himself a rapist.

If I can’t have bodily autonomy and I have to live with a rapist instead of like, an actual human, then I’m gone bitch lol

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19930 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

why not kill him in his sleep / poison him / maim him and then if you happen to be pregnant kill the baby or miscarry? but yes, offing yourself to make him miserable til his last pathetic breath is a valid option.

[–]Tayterthot1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Also perfectly reasonable options! I just personally find murder (without torment or brutality) to be a crime of mercy. There’s very little suffering involved. Attempting to maim or torture him could result in serious consequences for myself if he reacts quickly enough and is strong enough to fight me off and retaliate... so I think I’m fine with dipping and leaving him to babble at coconuts with drawn-on faces.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

depends.

you can cut the blood vessel and let him bleed dry. it takes time and it's def not an act of mercy.

certain herbs and algae are poisonous and it takes time to die. but rest assured he will be in pain all the time. so merciful angels are crying.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know I would.

AMA

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know /u/BiggerDthanYou would rape

[–]DragoonXFury22 Yr Black Virgin Skater Stoner Anime Nerd NPC1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Amd de jenda warz kontinuez... Luffin it! Ceep it up peepz! 🍿

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Mods, why tf do my threads get shoved into the shitpost filter but this bullshit makes it through? Seriously?

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ring of Gyges

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

I am waiting for somebody to claim they are too noble to do this.

[–]geyges🐇4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I personally can't get hard unless the girl is enjoying herself. Less to do with nobility, more to do with normal response toward another human being who is suffering.

[–]eaazzy_131 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m like that too, but after a year on a stranded island without a nut? My dick would be hard 24/7.

[–]geyges🐇4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Scenario never stipulated anything about nuts. Pretty sure you can paint the island white if you wanted to.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What if she was enjoying it?

If she's gone so long without a dick then I'm sure her insides must be going crazy too

[–]Red__Blue2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am too noble to rape a someone.

[–]tia-now0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus. I'm really starting to pity people that walk around thinking so little of the general public.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]wtffellificationWe all love women1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

maybe if she was in a half-coma....

[–]zerofeetpersecond1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Would most men murder if they could get away with it? (Combat) Would most women murder if they could get away with it? (Abortion)

[–]RaspberryInk3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most men won't kill in combat even when it's sanctioned and ordered that they do so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killology#The_problem_of_non-_or_mis-firing_soldiers

Most (many?) people who are pro-choice don't believe an early term fetus is a life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_debate#Personhood

So, to your questions--no, I don't think so. At least some evidence shows that empathy transcends the rules of society.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 1993-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

abortion is healthcare. piss off.

[–]zerofeetpersecond1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I didn’t say it wasn’t healthcare. But it is also a killing. I’m pro choice, but that doesn’t change the fact the procedure is a doctor assisted infanticide. You want to wrap it up in a bow.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Murder is intentional illicit homicide. No legal killing can be murder by definition

[–]zerofeetpersecond0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

As well as “use of deadly force.”

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

use of deadly force is homicide. murder is by definition illicit intentional killing

[–]rus9384Misanthrope1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I mean, in the scenario described when a woman could not make somethig and ask for man's help a man probably would demand sex. Technically not raping.

[–]thr0w_inthe_trash1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They have the same level of survival skills

[–]rus9384Misanthrope0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It can be the thing that requires man's physical strength, for example.

[–]pizza_tron0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it would probably be more along the lines of him just not doing work for her and then she seduces him for all of the good shit if that is the dynamic we are talking about.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then raping would not even be in question.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah probably

We are all cavemen wearing fancy clothes and shitting in a stone bowl instead of on the ground with a few electronic discoveries and have convinced ourselves that there is no Savage inside all of us. That we have somehow evolved above the ignorant brute of the past

People love to eat, fuck, gossip, get high and drunk. Face it, we are still animals and remove civilization and consequences and you will see unfettered nature in action once again.

[–]C0dey 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Figures someone with your username would say something like that 🙄

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nice try sugar but I'm not a Muslim

[–]C0dey 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

So there's no excuse for your absurd comment, got it.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I call it how I see it. The truth isn't always palatable

Besides, Muslims are being shipped into your countries by the boatload. I can't understand what you guys vote people in who love immigration so much if you dislike the foreigners in the first place. They're doing a mighty fine job changing society for the better and Europe is an excellent example.

Good thing I've got the Atlantic ocean between me and them

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No

[–]UTC240 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would move to the other end of the island and never see her again. Nothing kills my boner faster than a woman's indifference and nothing turns me on more than a woman can't wait to tear my cloth off.

[–]stonedkyuby(◕ᴗ◕✿) join the gaycel army0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The vast majority of rapes either occur as the result of men believing their serving a higher purpose or because the men do not see the scenario as rape or inherently wrong.

If you took the majority of men walking around and put them in a situation where you told them that what they were about to do was definitely, absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt rape, done for its own sake, many would not, especially in our current western society.

[–]OneGirlThreeOrbs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly I couldnt do it, so Id say no

[–]prostate-apostatespectacle beta0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No

[–]SDW1370 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No.

[–]fairiesandhearts0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol! No, a mentally healthy man would not go around raping. Only madmen would do that.

[–]zerofeetpersecond0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And to be even more fair a very small percentile of any given military sees combat.

[–]throwawayaccou19890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Prison rape makes it clear this has nothing to do with women. This isn't about men not respecting women, this is about the fact that rape occupies several parts of the human psyche and is a mechanism for a lot of things. It can happen due to stress. It can happen due to power. It can happen due to raw overriding lust.

The fact that men want to have sex with women gives them more inherent respect than men default to giving other men. Or at least, it gives them more patience for women than they have for men.

[–]Balloonfightthepower0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whatever answer given says more about the person giving it than it does about 'most men'.

[–]zerofeetpersecond0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Justifiable homicide is a very real thing in legal language.

[–]mazterblaztr0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No

[–]Bestprofilename0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I remember there was a study and I think it was at Columbia University and they found that the vast majority of men would. I'll leave someone else to Google the deets

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are incapable of understanding this topic and it's pointless to discuss.

[–][deleted]No Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe they would and they would rationalize it that the victim "wanted it".

[–]Regal_NewtBlue Pill Woman0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Because they're attracted to the women? No.

Rape is very rarely about attraction, because when people have sex due to attraction, a large portion of the pleasure is in knowing that the other party wants you, as well.

It's far more often about a display of power. Everyone going off about how back after one nation would win in a war, they'd rape the women there? Yeah, that's not because they were so attracted to the women there. It was a show of dominance.

Now, I could be wrong here, but I'd argue that most men these days aren't power hungry monsters who will do anything to show a woman that they're in charge.

[–]tidderfodnimpot[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0123860296/ref=dbs_a_w_dp_0123860296

https://www.amazon.com/Criminal-Profiling-Introduction-Behavioral-Evidence/dp/0123852439

Why do people rape?

  • (70-78% of all rapes) socially delayed persons seeking intimacy (not physical sexual pleasure). These rapists do not want to identify as a rapist. They usually ambush a victim, drug a victim, or otherwise incapacitate a victim. The “set-up” is premeditated and planned over a period of 3-6 months, as is the “exit.” These rapists usually have a conversation with the victim, asking if the victim is enjoying the act, apologizing, reassuring that they are not looking to hurt the victim. Child molesters fall within this category, using a family’s trust and the child’s inexperience and naïveté to both avoid detection, preserve some illusion of consensual intimacy, and feel as if they are not harming their victim.

  • people who feel powerless displacing their negative emotions onto weak and vulnerable victims by intentionally sexually violating the victim in order to feel powerful and make the victim feel powerless. Less common, but not exactly uncommon either. These rapists are out for vindication. These rapes are less premeditated, usually with a mere hours or at most a week of planning. The exit is not thoroughly planned, usually resulting in physical harm towards the victim (assault or death). The rapist is looking to exert his power over someone weak and powerless. These rapes usually do not involve a weapon or drugs. Physical force is used to force the victim into submission, often in excess of what is necessary. The rapists looks for symbolic sexual acts that represent power over the victim (e.g., anal).

  • (less than 1% of all rapes) sadists who derive pleasure from the victim’s pain, suffering, and psychological destruction. These rapes have the highest likelihood of resulting in death. Sadists look for egotistical, confident, self-assured and proud victims. The taller the victim, the harder she will fall, the sweeter the sadistic reward. Sadistic rapes share many commonalities with torture first degree murder, and may last for hours or days. Sadistic rapists are the most likely to become serial rapists. Rapists want to see their victims psychologically broken and feeling dehumanized. Victims are usually starved, dehydrated, and present physical trauma. Bodies are discarded symbolically in areas where one would discard garbage or objects of insignificant value.

Most rapes are carried out without a weapon. The most common weapon used, when a weapon is involved, is a knife. Firearms are rarely used in the commission of a rape.

Those are the FBI’s three archetypes for criminal profiles for sex criminals.

[–]Regal_NewtBlue Pill Woman0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

So the last two are the ones you're asking about. And of those, most of them are about power.

That 70-78% wouldn't fit your narrative here because you're asking if men would knowingly and intentionally rape, and those 70-78% don't consider themselves rapists.

[–]tidderfodnimpot[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

They're still rapists, so yeah men can still rape and still rationalize it in a desert island.

[–]Regal_NewtBlue Pill Woman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your question implied that they knew they were commiting rape and therefore are only doing it because they can't get caught. I was well aware of category one, but that doesn't fit in to your question.

[–]Talkytalktalk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't. but that's me. I belive in love.

[–]HossMcDankEdgy Centrist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In a word, no.

I was shocked while reading the large amount of online comments from men who say they would commit rape if they could completely get away with it

r/thathappened

[–]Bntt890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Morals are a social construct, when nothing is there to enforce that construct ppl will do what ever they want. This is similar to Ring of Gyges if you are shielded from the consequences why ought you be moral? Tbh I dont think guys, myself included, would have the guts to but I cant say one percent that most men, myself included wouldn't.

[–]Joey_Lopez0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No

[–]Andropomorphine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I understand where OP is coming from and I am a man. I think the biggest fear for women is the fear of rape/sexual assault. Women are not wrong in having this fear. Biologically women are at a greater sexual risk and vulnerability. But the real issue is do most men want to rape. Or, would most men rape if they could get away with it. And it seems to me that there is a strong coercive effort by the powers that be that stresses this point that most men desire to rape women. These barrage of narratives play on a fundamental and instinctual aspect of women. Women are more likely to believe in narratives such as "rich+educated+man = more likely to rape" which has been further exacerbated by a constant onslaught of large swathes of women posting on social media, and mainstream media reports, including university campus politics. Women and minorities (I am a minority myself) are more susceptible to media messages even if these messages don't take into consideration the complexity and nuances of the issue at hand. Most are unable to distinguish what is an overly exaggerated issue and what isn't. They are more likely to believe that rape is as common as trees in the Amazon. As a collective, men should not try to convince women that most men don't rape. Simply because they are emotionally invested in this issue. And this is having a devastating effect on the cosmic relationship between the sexes, and the only fallout from this is complete cultural degradation. The media induced rape narrative in our society pique on the neuroticism and paranoia of women this is why it's no point trying to convince women that most men won't rape even if they could get away with it. I also think that we, as men, should leave women, as a collective, to deal with the issue of abortion on their own because this is a deeply invested emotional issue for them. But that's another story for another day. We as men should not fight fire-with-fire with narratives that aim to paint us as malevolent individuals who would rape and sexually assault women if we could get away with it. These narratives only seek to destroy us. It has already destroyed women and further emphasized their resentment towards us men. We must not fall victim as well to these mental and emotional exploits.

Ahhh... sometimes I wonder if women are able to realize that they are being manipulated to think this issue is bigger than it actually is. I would say yes they are being manipulated because social media plays at a fundamental psychological instinct, and so does mainstream media. Social media and mainstream media literally have behaviourists, psycholgists and sociologists help design social media to appeal to this part of our brain that responds to danger, red notifications and icons. And mainstream media as well with their headlines specifically designed to create a response from us on an emotional instinctual level. The only difference between social media and mainstream media is that social media is particpatory so these narratives just go on and on gaining more steam (the more people talk about it the bigger it is in our perception). The issue becomes hyppereal to us. It becomes more real than reality itself. The issue is exaggerated and blown out of proportion. Women now see rape every where they go as a result. You can enslave a population by appealing to their fears. I firmly believe we are living in a post-reality age.

Sure there is a small group of rich and powerful men who rape. But majority of rich and educated men would not want to ruin their own lives by violating a woman. And most men won't rape even if they could get away with it. But there is no point stressing this logical conclusion to people who are emotionally invested in this issue (just look at the comments from women on this post and it explains it all).

PS. I won't be replying to any responses on this post. Good luck

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Would most men rape if they could get away with it?

no, but if my understanding of society before high end technology, it was way more common.

Let's say a straight man was stranded in a remote, luxuriant and unhibitated island with a woman who has the typical physical features that men like (e.g. big tits, flat stomach and large ass), they both have the same level of survival skills. The woman is not attracted to the man. Days, weeks, months, one year have passed with the woman constantly rejecting the man's flirtatious gestures and sexual requests, would most men begin to contemplate rape in such a situation? Would most of them commit rape at some point?

Some may contemplate, if he is younger, however I am sure that he will most certainly not retort (nor need to retort) to these behaviors.After all we are talking about modern men and women here.

I was shocked while reading the large amount of online comments from men who say they would commit rape if they could completely get away with it, I was wondering if most men would really do this. It sometimes looks like men would not rape just because they fear the law and other men, not because they actually value women as human beings. This could explain why so many powerful and educated men are found to be serial rapists even in this day and age

By your comment history, I would suggest to not generalize hypotheses from men in rape fantasy subs to their behavior or to the entirety of men.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why would modern technology matter?

Put a modern man in an undeveloped wild situation and their inner cavemen will appear

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because of habit.

I live in a place where both complete wilderness and complete urban environment are just some km away from each other. Men who live in the wilderness take time to learn the urban environment and the same for the opposite. Many die the same way they were brought up.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair

I was born in a very rural part of the world without running water and we had to shit in a hole in the ground when I was a toddler.

We moved to North America afterwards so I never really lived a transition, I went from one extreme to first world living

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Probably.

Might even kill and eat her afterward if I'm hungry enough

[–]RaspberryInk1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Or, first?

[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

😏

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I was shocked while reading the large amount of online comments from men who say they would commit rape if they could completely get away with it, I was wondering if most men would really do this.

Men would take having access to sex than not. But you've also got to realise most women have rape fantasies. If we are to assume those women desire being ravished, there are men who would definitely not mind doing the ravishing.

You also have to keep in mind that those men who imagine raping or ravishing the women also imagine the women being attractive and eventually enjoying it. Most men actually enjoy having sex with women who enjoy it and want it. Nothing better than an enthusiastic partner.

[–]Pastelitomaracucho0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. That's /r/gendercritical 's fantasy

[–]FjamsDK0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Most men will commit rape under the right circumstances. Mainly during war times.

[–]DarkSiderAL0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

even during war times (where rapes are more frequent than in peace times, probably due to the "can get away with it" situation), only a tiny minority of men commit rape

[–]aypi98-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes like 90% of them

[–]Red__Blue-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No

[–]saronyogg 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

I hope not.

Otherwise, we, incels/forever alone ones, could be psycologically similar to those hideous alpha, with the looks and money.

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup. If we didnt have that urge frigid bitches could make humanity extinct. You're welcome

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I would rape even if I couldn't get away with it. I would lose my mind if that was the situation even if I jerked off 10 times a day in order to relieve my self. I wont be relieved until I do it.

I know this sounds wrong but women dont understand the urge. Its really hard to be around beautiful women and not even fantasize about them. It happens naturally. If I were alone on that island the urge wouldn't be as strong.

And the reason I dont actually rape is not because I'm scared of the law or some other man. (The other man would be scared of me). But more because I know my conscious will drive me insane. Filling me with guilt.

[–]insultin_crayon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

(The other man would be scared of me).

r/iamverybadass

[–]FabulousTERF-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yes, they would. the internet gave them a mask and platforms to express how they really think.

give men a mask (internet anonimity) and they will show you who they are.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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