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This is a strange phenomenon I've noticed with people, whether in news, TV or IRL conversation. In any male dominated field, the most attractive female is lifted into the level of godess in our society.

Take the recent picture of the black hole for example. Not only did the media ignore the men of the discovery, they ignored even the other females on the team in favor of the most attractive woman there on the team. Danica Patrick has never won a race, yet she's idolized much more than the average man in that field, let alone the other plane Janes. Rhonda Rousey, one of the biggest names UFC, is also coincidentally the most attractive female there.

Take virtually any male dominated sport or career, and the most attractive of ladies in that field are idolized for it. What's even more interesting is you never see men or any women (even if very attractive), idolized for traditionally female dominated or gender-neutral careers or positions. Nobody cares or makes note of an extremely attractive female reporter or caretaker, for instance.

But a young, attractive Barbie looking woman in an overwhelmingly male field or male interest has it made over anyone else. I've never quite understood the logic behind this.


[–]Tomatoccino75 points76 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

People like pretty things. Do you think David Beckham’s graces teenaged bedroom walls because he’s the best footballer, or because he’s the prettiest?

[–]Pontifex_Lucious-II6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Beckham was pretty fucking good in his prime.

[–]Tomatoccino1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just ask Wayne Rooney.

[–]DragoonXFury22 Yr Black Virgin Skater Stoner Anime Nerd NPC13 points14 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

"Do you think David Beckham’s graces teenaged bedroom walls because he’s the best footballer, or because he’s the prettiest?"

Both reasons actually. :P

[–]Bestprofilename9 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

David was good but was never the best player in any team he played for in Europe.

[–]throwaway16439 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Maybe not the best but WAAAY better than average. He was amazing in his prime

Remember the freekick against Greece? Or all those pin point crosses to RVN?

[–]Bestprofilename5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I already said he was good...

[–]OiLoveMoiBrick1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Scholes, Keane and even Rio were far better and more important to Man U than Beckham was.

Scholes was also far more important to England as well.

[–]DragoonXFury22 Yr Black Virgin Skater Stoner Anime Nerd NPC1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Are you having a laugh? In his prime, he was top class player. One of best in his position at the time.

[–]Bestprofilename1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Can you not read? Since when did "one of the best" become "the best". If you wouldn't pick him as your no.1 player of that generation he wasn't the best. Why do some of you keep missing the guy's point?

[–]DragoonXFury22 Yr Black Virgin Skater Stoner Anime Nerd NPC2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Relax dude, it just a bit of football banter.

In the context of football banter, saying a footballer is "good" when they were in fact "class" is downplaying how good they were haha.

In the literal sense, he was good and he correct by saying he was good. I didn't misinterpret what he said from "the best" to mean "one of the best".

I repeat, I got his point. Just having some fun.

[–]4gotOldU-nameAvoiding Kool-Aid as Much as Possible4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Until you hear him speak.

[–]DragoonXFury22 Yr Black Virgin Skater Stoner Anime Nerd NPC3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Meh... Still both reasons...

[–]Optickone3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Uhhh...he was one of the best in his prime...??

Weird example.

[–]Bestprofilename5 points6 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

He wasn't the best though was he? The point is he was in way more bedrooms than, say, Henry,ronaldinho or zidane but he wasn't as good as them.

[–]Nosnmad2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Beckham fit into a very specific niche of footballer: He was seen as the epitome of aesthetic football, both in his play and his appearance. It helped that he was a fusion of hard work(he outlasted every other team mate on the beep test) and graceful skill(crosses, free kicks and passing was beautiful to watch). Naturally, fans gravitated towards him.

[–]thefoolishking0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What is the beep test?

[–]DragoonXFury22 Yr Black Virgin Skater Stoner Anime Nerd NPC3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a fitness test where you run a set distance back and forth in accordance to an interval. Each interval is signalled by a beep. When the beep goes off you run to the other end of the distance. The beeps go off more frequently so you have less to time to cover the distance making you work harder.

This was common in the UK. I did these sorts fitness tests too when I was in school and I got the highest level when I got assessed on it. :D

[–]Optickone0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

In England maybe?

In France, I guarantee Henry and Zidane were in more bedrooms.

Such a silly premise anyway. Neither of us actually know how many bedrooms top footballers inhabited in their prime. The point is, Beckham was a terrible example to use as he was actually in the top tier of footballers in his prime. So why wouldn't he be on an English kids wall? He was one of their top international players playing for the best team in the country.

[–]Bestprofilename2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

We are speaking worldwide, friend. You're totally missing the point. Life must be confusing to you. Beckham was very good, but not the best. Despite this he was the most marketable footballer at the time, selling more jerseys and posters. This is a matter of historical record.

[–]DragoonXFury22 Yr Black Virgin Skater Stoner Anime Nerd NPC0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Jokes aside, he appeared in the UEFA team of the year twice. Surely that's some proof that we was considered the best (I'm making this point now) in his position at his prime but it is still debatable? (I checked Wikipedia)

[–]Bestprofilename0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

What are you confused about, exactly?

[–]DragoonXFury22 Yr Black Virgin Skater Stoner Anime Nerd NPC0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm not confused about anything. Just provided some food for thought.

[–]Bestprofilename0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You've provided nothing but redundant text and claimed you're having a laugh because you feel stupid now.

[–]DragoonXFury22 Yr Black Virgin Skater Stoner Anime Nerd NPC0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Really? You want to play this game?

Fine...

How is UEFA team of the year redundant? I want you to answer and explain please.

If someone is on the UEFA team of the year, that at least means enough people thought that this player was voted to the best in their position over other players in that given year.

David Beckham made to team of the year twice which means that people agreed he was the best in his position by consensus twice in the given years.

I've also seen documentaries and pundits argue that he was the best in his team at Man U before he made his galatico move to Real Madrid.

[–]we-are-men-with-ven0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol, I had bare pictures of Beckham when I was a team. But as others have said, it was for both reasons

[–]garlicextract0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Uh, because he's the best footballer

why do people have posters of ronaldo? not because he's an underwear model, it's because he's one of the greatest ever

[–]WhisperTotally LARPing. Really.-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People like pretty things.

In fact, "pretty" just means "what people like to look at", so this should be self-evident to anyone who gives it some thought.

[–]confusedspade97Ruled by Statistics42 points43 points  (34 children) | Copy Link

You're mixing up two separate ideas but it really comes down to men can be idolized for their accomplishments but women have to be attractive to be valued. An ugly women Nascar driver wouldn't be celebrated the same way. There is also the idea that it's more out of the ordinary so people notice it more.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT9 points10 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

So that means, ugly women are held the the same standard as men. If the ugly woman won a bunch of races, she would be getting a shit ton of attention, the same way as most male losers go unknown but get recognized when they do good. A mans looks has very little to do with their career success, unless they are in a field where looks are part of the job, actor for example, and that is because men have to appeal to the male hierarchy if they want to climb the ranks. Attractive women can use their looks as crutch or even a weapon, ugly women have to do the same shit as men.

People think ugly women get treated bad, and thats true, but its not much different than how the average man is treated. Their looks are irrelevent, theyre largely invisible and they have to leverage their hard work ans achievements to get up in the world.

[–]ElderlyAlderAsk me about the Toe Pill13 points14 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

“Ugly women are held to the same standards as men.”

No, because men ARE respected and heralded for their accomplishments regardless of their looks. I've never watched redneck car but I know who Dale Earnhardt whoever is, and I doubt he was a male model. If there was an ugly woman who actually won a few nascar races (might even exist, I have no idea) she would STILL be unknown compared to Danica Patrick.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Really highly doubt that ugly woman would be unknown. She would be a feminist icon for destroying teh menz in a male dominated sport at bare minimum especially if she was on the level of Dale Earnhardt

[–]ElderlyAlderAsk me about the Toe Pill9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

A quick google search tells me Shawna Robinson won 3 times in a Nascar touring series, I wonder why we've never heard of her

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Shes been retired for almost 20 years for starters and those wins are from the late 80s. Compared to all of the men who have won multiple top level major races, she is nothing. We dont know the names of any men of her caliber either. (I know very little about nascar myself as well) i guarentee she is more well known than men of her caliber simply for being a woman.

My argument is that ugly women have to compete on the level of men, not that beautiful women dont get an advantage.

[–]ElderlyAlderAsk me about the Toe Pill7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You said

She would be a feminist icon for destroying teh menz in a male dominated sport at bare minimum

Clearly that is not the case since nobody has heard of her

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay youre right about that point. I dont know much about nascar, I was speaking of a hypothetical ugly woman in current year. Im pretty sure those wins that woman has are not huge events, one of the categories is even now defunct. But its better than danica who has zero. The culture now is far different than it was in the 1980s. So I was being hyperbolic, but that doesnt change the fact that she has the same recognition, probably more, than a man of her caliber. And if it happened today, and in big events, she would get a lot more for simply being a woman and probably would be a feminist icon.

[–]Red__Blue1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've heard of her, she's a feminist icon.

[–]confusedspade97Ruled by Statistics6 points7 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

So that means, ugly women are held the the same standard as men.

No an ugly women will not be recognized in the same way for her accomplishments as a man. A woman’s value is derived more from her appearance than a man’s value is.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Good looks allow her to get recognition for little things and more recoginition period. This is an unearned unfair privelege. A woman being ugly loses that unearned unfair privelege and is now mostly on par with the men. Her getting less recognition and more criticism than a man is now due to the perception of many of her being a woman and therefore less competent or assumed she was given a role as a "diversity hire" or an actual lack of skill.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Are you denying that attractive men are equally privileged?

Before you answer, here’s a stats for you:

  • 14% of men in American are 6 ft and over
  • 60% of male CEOs are 6 ft and over

Does height correlate to better leadership skills? No.

I would bet if someone did a study on hair vs bald we’d see similar stats.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Height doesnt directly correlate to being attractive. There are still ugly tall men. It is an attractive trait in a vacuum, but Attractive is multiple traits not just one. But even then, I think there is something to be said about taller men being better leaders for two main reasons, tall men are socialized and treated differently, people subconsciously look at tall people for leadership. Tall people get a whole halo effect around them their entire life. Short men get shit on their whole life and many of them develop complexes because of it, often times making them tyrannical douchebag leaders when they get the chance.

I wouldnt be suprised if there are more bald ceos being that most ceos are older men. Not to mention, you can be bald and attractive or bald and still masculine, think of The Rock.

But all that being said, NO, I dont think attractive men have much advantage at all over the average man, men have to compete in the male hierachy as a man, looks are almost irrelevant. If anything, the attractive man's actions and behavior are far more important than his looks, even in circumstances where him being socialized as an attractive male contributed to how he acts now. There may be some byproducts of his looks, but his looks themself arent the reason he is sucessful.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

So that was a whole lot of bullshit to avoid answering the question.

Men with certain physical traits, such as height, have an unearned advantage in life. To deny this is to be a flat earther.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Theres a difference between having certain physical traits and being attractive.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So now you’re denying that tall men are considered more attractive and more competent?

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Im saying that being tall is a component of being attractive, but that being tall does not inherently make you attractive. The tall man isnt promoted because he is attractive. He is being looked at through the eyes of the male hierarchy. He is getting an added bonus for being tall, but its because his tallness is attributed to him being a better leader, not because he is attractive. Whereas there are many women who get hired/promoted/a ton of unearned attention for simply being hot. If the man's attractiveness was so important, you would be seeing a lot more ceos that looked like Chris Hemsworth or whoever ladies consider hot these days.

[–]Cissnowflake1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

“Ugly women are held to the same standards as men.” Ok, you won the internet for today.

The crazy thing is, when attractive women are lauded simply for being attractive, we call it sexism AGAINST women.

[–]ElderlyAlderAsk me about the Toe Pill1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The crazy thing is, when attractive women are lauded simply for being attractive, we call it sexism AGAINST women.

When short men are passed over for career advancements and promotions because they aren't taken seriously, this is seen as sexism against men, even though you could just as easily see it as boosting attractive tall men.

Ugly competent women getting ignored in favor of beautiful airheads isn't exactly sexism in women's favor.

[–]Cissnowflake2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

When the ugly women are treated like basically all men are treated, the only variation this sexism produces is in the hot women’s favor.

Being treated like men shouldn’t be seen as sexism against women.

[–]confusedspade97Ruled by Statistics5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ugly women are not treated like men though

[–]sophii11 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

It seems there’s a minimum level of attractiveness a woman has to be to be well known for anything. If your not someone attractive as a female, you simply cannot make it. I see men in well known positions who are not 8+ all the time, but pretty much every women whose going on a screen has to be near super model levels of pretty.

So you have a huge advantage as a woman if your stunning, but if your not your not even in the running.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Hillary Clinton, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Sarah Jessica Parker, Luna Dunham, Khloe Kardashian when she was fatter, Cris Cyborg, Megan Rapinoe , Amy Schumer, Rebel Wilson, oprah winfrey, Joy Behar, Woopi Goldberg....

Theres a ton of ugly women who are famous.

There are men and women who have jobs who only got them because they were hot. There are very few men who are famous simply because they are ugly, the same as if you are a woman. They have other qualities that made them famous.

[–]sophii12 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It’s still possible, it’s just a lot harder. Look at someone like lady gaga, she is a talented vocalist, who writes most of her own music and can play piano with 9 inch nails while dancing, but she almost didn’t make it because of her nose. At the same time, I see new pop stars pop up all the time who clearly have no talent, but are stunning and have songs written for them. Someone like billie eilish is talented, but let’s face it, if she wasn’t so stunning, ocean eyes wouldn’t have blown up so hard when she was only 13. It’s the fact that she’s stunning and talented that drove her to blow up overnight.

[–]TwentyX42 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

billie eilish

Kinda like boy bands?

[–]sophii10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, I would consider boy bands another perfect example of beautiful people being given outfits and lyrics by corporate music machines. Billie eilish is an example for me of someone who is truly talented and also very beautiful. (She and her brother create most of their music in their bedroom, away from any major recording studios.) They often release music randomly online that they exclusively worked on, and you can see in clips on youtube that her voice requires little if any alteration. (except for on songs where her voice is modified to be another sound effect, think lorde) someone whose not societies standard of beauty, but is very talented would be lady gaga (who covers up a lot) or someone like sia who is a talented singer, but puts other people in her music videos.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

There are very few men who are famous simply because they are ugly, the same as if you are a woman. They have other qualities that

Wait are you arguing these women are famous for being ugly? I’m confused.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, im saying that both the ugly men and the ugly women have to have something going for them if they want to be famous, they are graded on a very similar rubric.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

True

[–]Steams2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

In fields where it is difficult to objectively display a persons skill as being better than someone else's, I think you are correct, being an unattractive woman will work against you, you will be regarded as less than men of the same skill level. Things like management and arts.

However in fields where a persons skill and achievements can be fairly objectively defined and compared to another, an unattractive woman will not be rewarded and praised any less than that of a male of average attractiveness in the field.

Attractive women will be picked up by social and mainstream media and heralded for their achievements in these fields even if they are not particularly exceptional and there are many men of equal skill level getting no recognition, and men who are in the know for these fields are likely to stir up some outrage over this but I think their outrage is a little unearned. These objective fields tend to be male dominated, which can create a feedback loop which deters women from entering, so it is not unreasonable for media to give them a bit of "unfair" praise in an attempt to say "See, women can do this too don't let anyone tell you they can't" even if they are only at the level of average men in the field. This is of course mixed with a healthy dose of "Sex sells" as a another reason it occurs.

So yeah, in subjective fields, unattractive women are worse off than men, in objective fields they are on the same playing field as regular guys.

[–]sophii10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great point. you changed my view with this post.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's also the idea that she doesn't have to do it. If an attractive woman chooses to put years of her life and effort into her specialization then people admire her for not doing the alternative - letting a man take care of her.

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If memory serves Rousey was the first female division champ or one of them.

Presence is also a valued skill set in this case. Most people couldn't put Tyson Fury out of a crowd despite him being as much a champ as similarly named but way more notable in his day Mike Tyson.

Hot women get default presence for obvious reasons.

[–]BelieveinyourflynessPurple Pill Man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Eh, I think people would definitely notice him in a crowd. The guy is what like 6'9"?

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men care about hot chicks they do not care if she found a new black hole or revolutionized some piece of technology. Competent women or ugly women who achieved something, nobody cares about that.

[–]-OpportunityCostI don't care about your problems16 points17 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Attractive people are idolized in general. I'm sure there are thousands of better actors than Brad Pitt but he is going to get the big new role because people wan't to see a good actor who is beautiful over the best actor who is ugly. Take that now and put a decently attractive woman into any nerd group and she is going to be idolized cause its so rare.

People are shallow and looks matter alot in our Internet aged society.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie2 points3 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Well they used to, Anthony Hopkins isnt exactly beautiful but very revered.

[–]-OpportunityCostI don't care about your problems3 points4 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

90% of lead actors in movies nowadays are tall good looking white dudes.

[–]GridReXXit be like that9 points10 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Nowadays?

Rock Hudson. Marlon Brando. Clint Eastwood. Cary Grant. John Howard. James Dean. Steve McQueen. Etc.

I could go on. But I think it’s actually easier for non classically attractive and non white and non tall guys to get a leading role than it was in yesteryear.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nowadays cracked me up.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

My aunt had an affair with Tyrone Power when she was a young woman. I never actually looked up Tyrone Power until I was in the exploratory stages of my dissertation, and then I called my mom to express my "!!!!!!!!!"

Nowadays, indeed.

And let us not forget Peter O'Toole. My Lord, my Lord.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My aunt had an affair with Tyrone Power when she was a young woman.

No shit? Wow

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She was really exceptionally beautiful, and worked as the receptionist at Powers’ doctor’s office.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Marlon Brando.

I thought we said tall.

[–]GridReXXit be like that2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Never said he was unattractive.

[–]GridReXXit be like that0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Marlon was so solid. I LOVE that body type. And he had actual lips!!!!

I’m also realizing why I have a crush on young Marlon. I don’t typically prefer white men (I’m black and have a pref for black men). But the white men I look at and immediately lust after all have a “look.”

See:

A pouty face with lips.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Holy fuck, we have the same list of white guys we wanna fuck!!!

[–]GridReXXit be like that1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lmaooooo I’m not surprised. They have “blackish” physical features and presence.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

More like tall, jacked, ethnically ambiguous (The Rock, Jason Mamoa).

[–]NiceGuyNumber40 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well they gotta give the female viewers someone to ogle.

[–]masterpiece00Red Pill Man1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Anthony Hopkins - dude was handsome when he wasn't 60 but 20, 30 etc and talented.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

and talented.

Very.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

He was quite attractive in his youth

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I loved him always.

[–]itstrdt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I always found this special...

I imagine that acting is a highly competitive field. You must have a lot of ppl. who work years to get a role in a movie, and then you have ex Victoria’s Secret models that gets the role.

[–]pngmafia97my type is chadcucks22 points23 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Women who genuinely exceed or match their male peers in their male achievements are pedestalized 1) because historically, male achievements are the ones that actually made a transcendental impact, and 2) because the people pedestalizing her are her majority male peers.

They are genuinely very impressed by her yet wanna fuck her. Or maybe the other way around: they wanna fuck her yet are genuinely very impressed by her.

r/UNBGBBIIVCHIDCTIICBG

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

r/UNBGBBIIVCHIDCTIICBG

My new favorite porn subreddit so realistic

[–]SmurfESmurferson3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If this is what you young'uns call porn, do I have a world of interesting stuff to tell you about

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Bow-chicka-ow-wow

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That sub makes me feel so bad about myself. Lol

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]planejaneRemove head from sphincter, THEN type.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fine muscle tuning. Try focusing on one thing and then intentionally blurring your vision while still looking at the same thing.

It's not that different from learning how to wiggle your nose/ears/scalp.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men are largely in control of what gets broadcast and who gets picked and so female recognition is often subject to male gaze issues where the most qualified woman will easily lose out in attention to the second, third, or tenth most qualified woman if she's the hottest of them all.

[–]Nobodykers4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women also like hot women.

[–]krup4209 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men in psychology are said to experience a "glass elevator" rather than a glass ceiling in terms of career progression. They are greatly outnumbered by women in postgrad programs for clinical/therapeutic work and idolised for their empathy and communication skills, particularly if they are attractive.

(Where I come from, at least)

[–]SmurfESmurferson14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A hot girl surrounded by a bunch of dudes who spend all day, every day with other dudes? She's put on a pedestal?

pshaw ... you don't say

Seriously, OP, this is self explanatory. Much like guys in Rom Coms - the sole heterosexual male surrounded by women

[–]GridReXXit be like that11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Serena Williams is the most winningest. But Maria Sharapova has more endorsements over her career.

Men chose that. As someone else pointed out.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Anna Kournikova is another one

[–]GridReXXit be like that2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. And her.

[–]rigbed3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And I don’t understand the Serena hate.

[–]PM_Happy_Puppy_PicsPurple Pill Man2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why do male billionaires have lots of options as far as choosing a mate?

They are at the top of the hierarchy that the other side wants.

Why does a super attractive woman attract men? Maybe its because she is super attractive?

[–]pnadlerlaw2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

O.o ???

I don’t think this is a thing, nor is the example cited even an example of the thing you’re complaining about. I think this is just in your head.

[–]geyges🐇2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Rhonda Rousey, one of the biggest names UFC, is also coincidentally the most attractive female there

WTF? are you blind? you never heard of PVZ, or Kowalkiewicz, Shevchenko sisters are smoking, and even Megan Anderson is a level above Ronda.

[–]gugabe1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

And Cyborg sells PPVs/draws interest largely due to being unattractive, IMO. Rousey was merit/right time, right place since it's not like she's some incredible stunner by WMMA standards. Even Carano's ahead of her by a margin.

[–]geyges🐇-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

And Cyborg sells PPVs/draws interest largely due to being unattractive, IMO

Is this a joke? Cyborg draws interest because she knocks bitches out.

Gina Carano is an attractive woman by any standard. She could have modeled when younger.

[–]gugabe0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Knocks bitches out, but I feel part of the appeal is the whole 'monster woman' angle.

[–]geyges🐇0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think her looks aren't doing her any favors. If she was good looking, she'd be twice as popular as Ronda. Same goes for Nunes if she was white and not gay.

[–]gugabe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel like she's better off unattractive than if she was completely generic, but yeah she'd be better off being transcendentally attractive if that was the case.

[–]ElderlyAlderAsk me about the Toe Pill1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've never heard of any of those people besides Rhonda, so OP's point is right on. Women are valued for their looks, regardless of competency. A beautiful mediocre is respected more than a plain winner.

[–]geyges🐇1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've never heard of any of those people besides Rhonda

bloody casuals

I respect women fighters as fighters first. The good looks are bonus that's almost irrelevant. If I want to see hot girls I can open porn video, I don't need to watch mma for that.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its ADVERTISING and PR for the thing, trying to get more female viewers or participants in whatever the dumb hole is being "celebrated" for

[–]MyDogLovesCorn2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Those women get more attention than their colleagues because they're a rarity in their field you blount. And Rhonda Rousey is most definitely NOT the most attractive UFC fighter...

[–]-Mavs4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Uh, Ronda Rousey is NOT hot.

Just ask Donald Cerrone because I fucking agree with him.

[–]TheBookOfSeilAn ounce of Snu Snu is worth a pound of cure3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She's not hot but she isn't unattractive either.

[–]immabecky2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Logic is simple - men dominated field mean men get to pick who gets boosted. Men will boost attractive women first cause that's how they be. Femcels are disregarded almost entirely, and the favourite of the men get boosted also but stand out less cause there's so many of them

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[–]Million-SunsMarriage is obsolete3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Most humans are lost souls that's why. Putting on a pedestal another human being should never happen, regardless of the impact they had.

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

We put others on a pedestal to make up for what we ourselves lack.

I'm trying to live without doing that now and it's a very interesting experience.

[–]Million-SunsMarriage is obsolete0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure it is. Soon you will be looking funny at people who worship others and will be thinking: "I used to be like that myself ??"

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah if you wouldn't put yourself on a pedestal, why think anyone else is a gift of God

[–]Million-SunsMarriage is obsolete0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah that's weird. I mean even the most "awesome" person goes to the bathroom... I think it's a deviance that it is only observed among homo sapiens. I don't think there is another specie who worship their own peers.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's easy to forget their humanity if we only see the polished side of themselves that they reveal in public

Emotions aren't rational. When you get obsessed with someone, it's hard to get your emotions to calm down by saying they are a normal person. Exhibit A= the way people go nuts for celebrities who are just living a normal day from their eyes

[–]LeadInfusedRedPill🐕 Woof 🐕0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yaassss Queen slayyyyy

[–]throwaway16431 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a very true observation. Another empirical data point is physcisgirl on YouTube. Yes she's smart and talented but there are plenty of science/physics YouTube channels. I think her disproportionately huge popularity is strongly tied to her good looks.

You don't see minority/PoC women who aren't "traditionally" attractive have the same level of popularity.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men are thirsty. All the men idolizing are beta males who have a deeply repressed subconscious fantasy of sleeping with a beautiful, accomplished woman.

It will never happen but their lizardbrain doesnt know that and keeps floating suggestions to the cerebral cortex that he should compliment and be nice to her. The mangina’s male hamster then kicks in and rationalizes it as “supporting women” or just “appreciating kickass women of merit.”

But deep down its because he wants that puss puss, and everyone around him knows, and experiences a little contempt and disgust as a result.

[–]catbrainlandcucklord3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Infantilization.

"She's good at X ... for a woman"

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if the other girls on the USWNT are pissed that Alex Morgan gets so much attn just bc she's pretty

[–]KikiYuyuPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because they think it's equality, because they're stupid.

[–]insultin_crayon2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Uhh, cooking is primarily a woman-dominated activity but people worship Gordon Ramsay as a chef god. He’s not attractive either. I see where you’re point is going, but it falls all apart when we are able to find clear examples that show the opposite result of your argument.

[–]Pontifex_Lucious-II2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men don’t care about female achievement.

They care about ass and boobs.

Also, I don’t buy the whole “look at what women can do!” Overextension we seem to have slipped into.

But to answer your question, the enemy of actual recognition of female intelligential achievement is the constant participation trophies we pass out for simply having a vagina.

More importantly, Ronda Rousey <<< Miesha Tate.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Combine benevolent sexism, sjw female imperative, respect for a woman breaking into a male dominated field, and biological attraction to the hottest woman in the room and you get that result.

[–]_Anarchon_2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So, what you're noticing, is that men will tell hot women what they want to hear because they're hot and want to bang them? Yeah, it's like that because chicks with lots of options will pick the guy that bullshits her and supports her narrative over the guy that is honest and realistic about her accomplishments.

[–]LillthOfBabylon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In any male dominated field, the most attractive female is lifted into the level of godess in our society.

Imagine my shock. Men idolize hot girls they can relate to!
I wish you guys would stop caring about what the media does. Even regular people understand it's bullshit.

[–]slavicgypsygirl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am underestimated so much that anything I do above breathing is either applauded or disbelieved

I surf, cross country ski, summit technical mountains & swim distance speed laps

Yet no one of either sex ever thinks it true until they see me do it bc of how I look

[–]Nobodykers0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Toxic femininity

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Toxininity.


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[–]masterpiece00Red Pill Man-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism. - Girls can do anything a man can, we'll show em! (Proceeds to use every versatile tool and modern technology made by men to 'show em')

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There’s such a thing as a “male”’ achievement? TIL

Danica Patrick isn’t “lauded,” she just has marketing star power. Same with Rhonda Rousey. You're confusing being respected as an athlete with being an endorsement cash cow. And I can name many male athletes who aren’t the best in their sport but get endless endorsements and media attention because they’re well marketed or have a gimmick.

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