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Inspired by the travel thread mostly.

The fact that so many young men believe that the Instagram posts of social media influencers are a good and factual representation of reality is boggling my mind. It's amazing to me that they believe things like luxury vacations paid for by sponsors or a sugar daddy are actually a normal thing, to the point where many are claiming that this is how most young women travel. There have been similar assertions about camgirls, which they believe somehow means that young women are commonly given money by random strangers

It's been established on this sub that men are also much more impressionable when it comes to fairytales like Disney movies. Even getting angry that they feel they've been "lied to" upon learning that it's no more than fantasy storytelling

Why the lack of basic critical thinking?


[–]happycheese86No Pill9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The same evolution that led to children that listened to their elders being the ones that survived to adulthood to breed. "Don't swim in crocodile-infested waters" and "Sacrifice a goat or the rains won't come" sound equally sensible when heard by a child from an adult. Aka, how religion and lies spread.

[–]Bntt8910 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You know what's funny a lot of women still believe in horoscopes, psychics and fortune tellers. But I'm to believe that men are more gullible than women? How about humans are gullible, culture and society effects us equally, if women were not they wouldn't use make up as much or have a large amount of anxiety. Social pressure shape your view of the world the idea that men believe in these things isn't surprising.

[–]crumblesnatch 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

You know what's funny a lot of women still believe in horoscopes, psychics and fortune tellers.

Men do too, except they tend to prefer the "conspiracy nut" or "virulent nationalism" varieties of the same bullshit.

[–]Bntt893 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes men also believe in religion too same with women. Men and women also fall for cults and scams. My point is that people are gullible in general, if OP was asking why people in general believe in this it would have been a more interesting question. As of right now they haven't proven men are more gullible, so I dont particularly understand what the point of this question is. Why does gender matter?

[–]Ofourkind[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

The question is why are men more gullible to this particular thing.

Why do men seem to have a harder time differentiating internet fantasy from reality?

[–]Bntt891 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Didn't you read what I wrote about social pressures and the way society shapes the way you think? Why do you wear clothes? Because socially that is the most acceptable thing to do. Realistically we dont need to wear clothes it just makes us feel better and less awkward. The same reason why girls wear makeup and read horoscopes. They believe what makes them feel better and dont choose to question it. Also they follow what society puts in front of them because it is easier.

[–]LockeLamoraLies0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because on the average men are above board and honest. They don't have the time or inclination to craft a fantasy life online. The level of self delusion and make believe doesn't compute.

[–][deleted] 69 points70 points  (89 children) | Copy Link

Yes how dare young people be gullible! They should be born old and wise! Just come out the womb redpilled, cynical, and with half their lives in the toilet already

Man that would be a sick reality.

Anyway i personally feel the youth should be outlawed. No generation z+ needed thanks.

[–]yaseedog will hunt26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i personally feel the youth should be outlawed

this but less ironically

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Youth is wasted on the young

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shut it grandpa xD

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Pretty sure "failure to thrive" is the official medical diagnosis of the incelfant.

[–]tgertcherTake The Grimace Pill2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

More like failure to have good genes.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Same thing.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Anyway i personally feel the youth should be outlawed. No generation z+ needed thanks.

Said every previous generation ever.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They were probably right. How well do we stack up against the greatest generation? or the romans at the time of the republic? Or those few decades in fifth century greece that spawned pericles, sophocles, hippocrates, and plato?

Its just been one long downhill slide from what i can tell.

[–]FreeKhajiit0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Every generation preceeding generation z agrees that generation z should be outlawed.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

*facepalm*

“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.” ― Socrates

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My personal favourite critique of the sexual revolution is

"The world is passing through troublous times. The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as if they knew everything, and what passes for wisdom with us is foolishness with them. As for the girls, they are forward, immodest and unladylike in speech, behavior and dress."

[–]Ofourkind[S] 8 points9 points  (73 children) | Copy Link

My question is why are young men more gullible than young women in this particular way?

I dont know about you, but it wasnt necessary for anyone to sit me down and explain to me that Disney movies weren't an accurate representation of reality. It is amazing to me that anyone over the age of 12 would need that spelled out for them.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There are way more young men with 0 relationship experience or even meaningful interaction with the opposite gender than young women

[–]Tomatoccino2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And no sisters, no female friends, cousins or classmates?

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (44 children) | Copy Link

Are they? Lol. There are plenty dumb young thots out there getting the old pumparooski or knocked up by deadbeat Chads. They just emote and get sympathy instead of getting angry and trying to “do” something and constructing elaborate theories how they were lied to. Men like to find enemies when they are angry. Women just complain amongst themselves about the individual ”bAd BoY But I CAn chAngE hIm” that fucked her up and get support from billy beta and her gfs. No need to take it up with society.

[–]idhavetocharge13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is exactly the same type of delusion that op is asking about.

Its Madonna/whore complex. Either a woman is all 'good' and 'pure' or she is an evil succubus intent on devouring your soul.

Don't you understand that real women are in between? That its not just one or the other but a wide and diverse spectrum?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What made you think that i have a black and white view on it? Op is describing the most cliche examples of male naivete, not a nuanced view, so my comparison to the female equivalent is likewise without nuance.

If you want more grayish views on either gender, make a thread about that and Ill be happy to contribute.

[–]idhavetocharge3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Except that rp theory revolves around Madonna/whore complex. Its literally a doctrine that is central to the rp belief system. Rp cannot exist independently of this complex.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok, cool. Take that up with Rp, whoever that is. I'm not an Rp. I'm an RPG gamer who wants to RIP before i ending R something p something a woman out of sexual frustration. But im not RP.

[–]Ofourkind[S] 16 points17 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

The frequency in which women on this sub need to explain to men that most women don't live like social media influencers is pretty self explanatory.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Quick question but how much time do you spend on fakebook and insta and the like? Probably less than me (zero for me).

Women explaining their own genders super showoffy profiles that they carefully crafted to look exciting arent actually real seems like the 8th grader who smacks you in the face with your hand and says “stop hitting yourself”

[–]Ofourkind[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've never had Facebook, started an Instagram a few years back to keep in contact with family and friends back home.

You choose who to follow.

[–]leftleafthirdbranch-1 points0 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Can you explain this

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I tried to dumb it down further but i dont have the mental energy right now. Maybe someone else around here can take this one

[–]HalfysRedditIndependent thinker5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No it's legitimately just incomprehensible. Technically I can get a message out of it but it's all nonsense:

Subject: "Women explaining their own genders super showoffy profiles that they carefully crafted to look exciting arent actually real" Action: "seems like" Subject: "the 8th grader who smacks you in the face with your hand and says “stop hitting yourself" 

How the fuck do those two things seem like each other? Honest question.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I tried to dumb it down further but i dont have the mental energy right now. Maybe someone else around here can take this one

[–]HalfysRedditIndependent thinker3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not asking for a favor, I'm pointing out that the other comment was very reasonable in asking for an explanation, because your gibberish makes no sense.

Personally I don't care what you were trying to say.

[–]leftleafthirdbranch-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Thanks bro

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think hes saying women create an image designed to make men believe a thing, then tell men theyre retarded for believing the thing

[–]leftleafthirdbranch1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah i see. Tbh was mostly asking about how the hand slapping analogy related to that .

Thank u tho <3333

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks. Ive been sperging so hard lately i couldnt unsperg

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t get why people get so negative about it

I like to take pictures of cool shit I do, when I do something cool I put it up on the insta. It’s not really a big deal

[–]angels-fanCrooning over hellscapes4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean the old wise women of PPD???

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

THE STATISTICS OF PPD CANNOT BE EXTRAPOLATED TO THE ENTIRE POPULATION

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Imagine having an image of women thats an amalgam of atlas, jezebel and the other wonderful angels that grace us unworthies with their presence at this subreddit

Youd be so well set up for life

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao and you take that picture and say , “this is what the average woman looks and acts like.”

These people need to take a stats class. Some internet debate board is not representative of the US population. It’s amazing these bloops actually believe that it is.

[–]Tomatoccino0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think most men on here need atlas to kick some sense into them.

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Idk I know a lot of women who absolutely do live like that

Also PS a lot of it is constructed reality made on the cheap by having a good eye and putting in a little work. As art often is I suppose

[–]TheWhitestOrca7 points8 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Really? Because I’ve never met a single person who lives like an influencer.

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How do they live? like I said it’s nothing special just like a cool pic or two or three of something interesting you saw today

[–]Akashe880 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

I’ve never met a single person who lives like an influencer

The average half-attractive high school girl lives like that.

[–]Tomatoccino2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Lmao. Most half attractive high school girls do their homework and kvetch about tidying their bedrooms.

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Ok why would you put a pic of that on social media tho is that like a cool moment that you want to remember

[–]Tomatoccino0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

A pic of what? Doing your homework?

[–]happycheese86No Pill3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Because for sexless men it's the closest they get to a vagina. It's sad, I setup gangbangs and events and the amount of guys I get interested in ridiculous. Ones that show up: not so much. They cum on their stomach out of excitement of possibly having sex, then don't show up to the event. It's gotten so bad that I need to require pictures, pre-paid ticket and phone number to ensure men that say they will show up, actually do. You can't trust a single thing men say, because it's all about getting their dick wet for as cheaply as possible.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They cum on their stomach out of excitement of possibly having sex, then don't show up to the event.

LOL that post-nut clarity though. :P

[–]LCOSPARELT1 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

“I setup gangbangs and events”

Is this your job? Do you work for a company that scheduled gang bangs and “events”? Are there so many gang bangs happening that there are companies that schedule them?

And what are these “events”? Does your company also schedule birthday parties, anniversary parties and bar mitzvahs? I need answers u/happycheese86.

[–]happycheese86No Pill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Would you be asking these questions if I said "I garden and sell exotic seedlings and fruits"? Would you quiz me about how much money I make on plants?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They cum on their stomach out of excitement of possibly having sex, then don't show up to the event.

Sounds like my kinda party

[–]adool6660 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You must be old.

[–]Ofourkind[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ya, pretty old.

But I work in the entertainment industry with a lot of models/musicians/actors/influencers so I'm more in tune to pop culture than most people half my age.

Most Instagram influencers dont even really live like Instagram influencers.

[–]Akashe880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

that most women don't live like social media influencers is pretty self explanatory

Yes.

But why don't most women live like social media influencers?

BECAUSE THEY ARE OLD AND UGLY, AND NOBODY WANTS TO LOOK AT THEM WHEN THEY HAVE 16-18 year old, perfect chicks too look at!

Still, this doesn't hold back a large portion of old and ugly women to act so.

A very significant portion of teens, women in their early twenties, however, DO live their lives heavily curated through lucky photos posted on FaceBook, Instagram, whatever.

I know, because I'm fucking some of them, and I know some of them.

Take a "meh" chick. Put makeup on her. Find a decent angle. Decent lightning. A good background. A decent camera. Maybe put up a filter, or use software to enhance the photo, and BANG, you get a 5 who thinks she is a 10, because she gets as much validation and attention from thirsty boys from the internet and her social sphere.

[–]wtffellificationWe all love women5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

men are more gullible in this way because its the only way we can stand your presence over the long haul. if we couldn’t/ wouldn’t fantasize, you ladies’d be screwed

[–]Tomatoccino-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Do you think we’d worry if thirsty creeps all disappeared overnight?

[–]wtffellificationWe all love women3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

not creeps but if male thirst disappeared alltogether, yeah, you’d probably have an existential crisis or something

[–]Tomatoccino-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

We have girlfriends for validation without having to deal with dicks.

[–]wtffellificationWe all love women1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

wut?

[–]Tomatoccino-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

If a woman wants attention, praise, being told she’s hot, likes, whatever; he girlfriends supply that.

[–]wtffellificationWe all love women1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

i dont think being “hot” would mean anything to most women if there were no men

[–]Tomatoccino2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That’s because you have no concept of how women think.

[–]oneprettycoolcat1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Young men aren't any more gullible. The difference is that gullible men get screwed over and little else, whereas gullible women get stuff handed to them because they are women.

[–]Tomatoccino3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gullible men are mad they didn’t get the princess; gullible women are mad they don’t get forest animals to do their housework when they sing. Both are as realistic as the other.

[–]Reld720Purple Pill Man2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because young woman can experience for themselves that most of them aren't get sponsorship deals or sugar daddies.

[–]MuleFool420 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure I know anyone, boy or girl, that thinks that Disney is real. Where are you getting this?

[–]Ofourkind[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is a very common incel complaint, that feel "lied to" by Disney movies and the like

[–]MuleFool421 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, well I don't know any incels or follow their subs. I had no idea that was a thing.

[–]Akashe880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's because we are one genetic "oopsie!" from a chimp.

Most human beings are just chimps with machine guns. As in retarded cognitive capabilities.

[–]disignore0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

where is your data coming from?

[–]Ofourkind[S] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

This sub, mostly

There are men who truly believe that mist young women live like influencers in almost every thread.

[–]disignore2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

i see, no data then

ninja edit: no conclusive data

[–]TwentyX42 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, see - of the PPD's 26,000 subscribers, there was some rando who said all women live Instagram lives, and that means that most dudes believe it. It makes sense. /s

I don't know why all these men are believing sweeping generalizations about women's lives. I'm just glad that OP isn't making sweeping generalizations about what men believe. /s

[–]Ofourkind[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well, ya. How else do you expect to measure a personal belief other than someone saying "I hold X belief"?

[–]disignore1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don’t expect generalisations based on assumptions.

[–]Ofourkind[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

it's not an assumption if the dudes are saying it outright. unless you're assuming they're all lying?

[–]disignore1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because no one lies on the interweebs

It is, if you aren't assuming they can lie. You might be falling for the same thing, maybe there's some gullible you believe everyone that says to be a young men is saying the truth. Then you are generalizing on that.

What if I told you I'm a young man, and don't believe anything thing you've wrote. Am I a less gullible young man? Can you prove otherwise?

Who's gullible now?

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I agree. Teens and young adults are well known for their brutal acceptance of rationality and their lack of idealism. /s

[–]meomeowmeoww 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

when my mother was telling me that she bought some water that had holy healing powers I was thinking "yeah right, lmao".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thats true lol, plenty grown ass simps in the world too

[–]petrichordiummidsommar pill27 points28 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

So we weren’t talking in the travel thread but my point was that the WOMEN being complained about are the one obsessed with social media and influencers. They are trying to ape them, at great expense, and it is unattractive to the men who were ASKED about it. You seem to say you don’t use social media, but this complaint was about hyper materialist social media addicts. In this regard you are like the man who interrupts a conversation about stupid and annoying male behavior with “BUT I DONT DO THAT.” Okay thanks? Have a cookie!

You and that OP are talking about something DIFFERENT when you say “travel” than men competing in the tournament sexuality of online dating are. They are seeing countless profiles devoid of any human detail describing enthusiasm for what occurs during travel, but instead just thot shots and conspicuous consumption in vacation destinations. The message sent is not ACTUALLY “i like travel.” The message is “my time is expensive and will be used to increase my visibility and clout.”

And my argument is not normative! I have absolutely nothing against women harvesting male thirst. I have dated literal escorts and camgirls (as in we dated normally but their occupation was to fuck men or get naked for money). It is 100% fine.

And really it is meaningless how many women actually get supported via social media or not. But again, having dated camgirls, sometimes civilian women STILL strike me as even more obsessed with self promotion and self observation than some women whose literal damn jobs are to stoke male thirst. I realize YOU aren’t but we were talking about you.

Sure NEETs are deluded by insta thots and a lack of real life experience. Nonetheless, many women are vapid social media addicts who pollute legitimately pleasant things with their woo girl narcissism, and it is unattractive to many men. In this regard the complaint is identical to women bitching about the countless idiotic things men do online and elsewhere. They can obviously take or leave those women but if someone comes on and proactively asks people why they dislike girls who like “travel” people are gonna answer.

[–]Epoch789None but red if rly had to pick9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like your answer a lot because it explains an annoyance I have with gender-relationship debates in general where people don't want to limit their opinions to particular demographics actually causing a given problem or people waste time repeating they're not part of a problematic demographic where appropriate bounds and concessions were already given.

[–]Xemnas814 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Based and redpilled comment

[–]PrehistoricPrincessNothing is sexier than mutual empathy and respect2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Nonetheless, many women are vapid social media addicts who pollute legitimately pleasant things with their woo girl narcissism

Many girls. Not women. I loved social media and was shamelessly narcissistic when I was 19. I'm 25 now and couldn't care less about posting photos and updates on social media. That's something you grow out of. Most young girls are inherently narcissistic. Fact of life. Most grow out of it by their early- to mid-20's. If men stopped focusing on and pursuing kids, it wouldn't be an issue.

[–]petrichordiummidsommar pill7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Lol Nah. Have you ever seen middle aged women go apeshit on Facebook and NextDoor? Over someone’s hedges or how So and So leaves out the trash, or those flowers in Suchs yard are technically weeds just so they’re aware. But basically the unattractiveness and petty egoism of the insta-princess frequently carries right over to middle age. Social media (and obvs this is the first gen really steeped in it so neither of us know shit) merely adds jet fuel to expand the possible burn area of a distinctly feminine pettiness that would otherwise be confined to the PTA, the homeowners association, or the coop board. The core sin here is gross vanity, which yes manifests in more selfie esque forms in youth. Basically the kind of girl we are talking about continues being just as much of a low grade terror, just fewer yoga booty pics

[–]PrehistoricPrincessNothing is sexier than mutual empathy and respect1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Have you ever seen middle aged women go apeshit on Facebook and NextDoor? Over someone’s hedges or how So and So leaves out the trash, or those flowers in Suchs yard are technically weeds just so they’re aware. possible burn area of a distinctly feminine pettiness that would otherwise be confined to the PTA, the homeowners association, or the coop board.

You're just describing wealthy suburban trophy wife soccer moms. Those of us who are normal, non-rich people with jobs don't act like that because we aren't entitled, pampered princesses. Teenagers are entitled and pampered, so as a teenager, you're much more likely to act like that. You haven't experienced the real world yet, or matured.

Basically the kind of girl we are talking about continues being just as much of a low grade terror, just fewer yoga booty pics

Not necessarily--most do not. You just don't realize it because they've suddenly ghosted social media and no longer care about external validation. I stopped posting selfies and the like because I grew up and matured. My priorities changed. I stopped being a kid and got a life--a typical adult life. I have things I care about now. As a teenager, I didn't really. I think a lot of women find that relatable.

Obviously the women who are complaining about hedges and shit don't really have lives. They're likely stay-at-home moms who don't work, might not even have a college education, are bored, are unhappy and unsatisfied with their lives, and have nothing else to prioritize.

[–]petrichordiummidsommar pill5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes, exactly it is a distinct genre of person, though not nearly as niche and rarified as you suggest. Here’s the deal tho; women roast certain genres of men alllll dayyyy long. And i laugh along! Like the most common thing in the world is “why do men have dead fish in their tinder pics?” And clearly #notallmen have dead fish in their tinder pics. But if a clueless man came by and asked “why do girls hate fishing selfies” there would be an avalanche of funny girls explaining how they see the men with dead fish in their pics .

This is a 100% analogous situation. The type of girl described is a common thing men run into and we were explaining to someone who ASKED why we typecast her as such. And it isn’t even about selfies specifically. It was about a specific kind of conspicuous consumption and the kind of personality it connotes. But somehow you feel the need to condescend to me like a humorless snoot as if I don’t understand what I’m lampooning.

[–]PrehistoricPrincessNothing is sexier than mutual empathy and respect1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's not even what was asked, though. OP asked why so many men seem to be more gullible and impressionable when it comes to the media and fictional narratives--taking a lot at face value (like the trope of the nerd/underdog "earning" the hot girl). Your comment didn't answer that question.

Anyway, I was simply correcting what I saw as a common misconception. If it doesn't apply to you, whatever--just carry on.

[–]petrichordiummidsommar pill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure, i just think OP’s entire post was a huge misreading of all the good comments in the post she was inspired by, to once again a focus on niche, clueless NEETs. It’s the easiest thing in the world to dunk on autistic reddit neets and honestly the question was just intellectually dishonest and took its own premise for granted.

OP was either willfully ignoring the point (while still beating the horse) or else just needed a little more mansplaining alas.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Poor women figure out plenty of horrific ways to bullshit al over.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is wishful thinking, most people stay shitty and never “grow up “

[–]PrehistoricPrincessNothing is sexier than mutual empathy and respect0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You feel that you never matured as a person?

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

One of the most prophetic things ever said to me was by my economics teacher in high school. He was ranting about bush saying any of us teenagers would make better presidents than bush. Someone pointed out that we lacked enough maturity and he replied “the vast majority of people do not mature much, if at all, past about eighteen years old. It’s not that they don’t change with age, it’s that that change isn’t really more maturity.”

[–]neubiiAUT0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

sometimes civilian women STILL strike me as even more obsessed with self promotion and self observation than some women whose literal damn jobs are to stoke male thirst.

I think that's because the civilian woman only advertises herself through socially acceptable media. She wants a high status, high valuable male. I don't think a man with a good income would date or even marry a woman that is known for being a webcam-girl or an escort. So while the one is looking to pin one down with a good income, the other one makes already her income with the thirst of men.

[–]petrichordiummidsommar pill4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well you think wrong bc i have an ivy league degree, i work in private equity, and i love dating me some literal hoes. My objections to OP are purely about intellectual dishonesty and nothing to do with value judgements.

[–]MuleFool423 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You gonna marry one of the hoes?

[–]petrichordiummidsommar pill3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m not super pro marriage, but if i COULD find someone who accedes to the list of requirements i need out of a legally recognized life partner, it’s very unlikely any nice traditional girl would sign up lol

[–]MuleFool421 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So the comment is half right then. You'll date them, but won't marry them. Which is where I draw the line, I suppose, as well.

[–]ohheyhi99Conflicted Feminist Man, No Pill16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Twentysomething guy here. While I agree that people are gullible, it’s also true that the bar for entry to becoming a sugar baby or being sent money is lower than ever for pretty young women who want to seek it out.

In my demographic, the sugaring site Seeking Arrangements is well-known even if most don’t comfortable with using it. Some young women have “premium” Snapchats where men send them money for nudes. It wasn’t that uncommon for women to post their Venmo in their Tinder bios before the app started banning the practice, and a few women keep their Venmos in their Twitter bios. Some minority of men is throwing around money hoping to get sex or companionship in return. A few will even send pretty women tens or thousands of dollars online while seeking nothing in return, just because they want them to have a good life. I have no idea how common these things are, but they’re less uncommon than ever.

The young men you describe are gullible, but not as much you think.

[–]diffdedbedGreen Eyed Devil11 points12 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I thought the travel stuff came from online dating profiles.

"I love food and travel! Lets go somewhere!✈ 🚢 👸"

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Not enough emojis

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

English (and higher order thought) will be obsolete in a few decades, replaced by these modern equivalents of crude cave paintings made from monkey shit

[–]Tomatoccino0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Like the emojibots in Dr Who, but with less Peter Carpaldi.

[–]Akashe884 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I want to print those dating profiles, and then ritualistically burn them.

They are fucking everywhere.

Basically, "pay for my food and travel, you shit, because I'm entitled to it".

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This. It's not that I see some travel thot I don't even follow and extrapolate that to all women. It's that if I go on OLD I can guarantee at least a quarter of women will mention travwl.

I know these people aren't off every week to Milan or whatever but I know they're very often a headache I don't need.

[–]IthacanPenny4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I ( 27F) certainly more than just mention travel in my OLD profiles. I do this because one of my main goals in finding a partner is to find someone who has the means and desire to accompany me on romantic trips. I have dated too many men who are content with not having a passport, or never having left the state they grew up in. I’m not interested in someone who is such a homebody. Is talking about travel in an OLD profile off putting or a turnoff somehow?

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Travel has become a staple and guys complaining about it isn't limited to PPD or the pillosphere. If you cruise through OLD as a man its legitimatley one of the most common things along with generic beach or landmark pictures.

I have a passport and I've been around. I'm planning a trip later this year. But to me thats some incidental shit you don't put in your four sentence OLD profile. I usually next like a third of profiles for being nothing BUT travel.

[–]OriginalGiovanniNo Pill6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dr.Peterson talks about this https://youtu.be/1aY49YU8uBQ

[–]usegao11 points12 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I think its because its not just Disney movies that propagate the "be a gentleman and she will love you" myth but also:

  • all the other movies
  • every TV show

most guys like watching shit on screens. they need to get out more.

edit: in north korea, they believe kim jung eun controls the weather. its not because they are dumb. propaganda is a powerful thing.

[–]skystar860 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_pYMue86-s&t=

Did they not see stuff like this on TV? Did they not go to school and see real life?

[–]usegao1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

even if maury wasn't fake, i don't think its fair to say the guests are a random sample of americans from all walks of life (at least i hope incest isn't that common)

[–]skystar861 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Did these guys not go to middle school or high school? Did they not see the high school movies about who was the popular and who got the dates or not? Just wondering. It seems weird to be oblivious to that. If you're not attractive and if you're not on top of the foodchain people let you know. Life is very brutal that way.

[–]usegao2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

when i went to high school (and this was back in the early 2000s) they didn't teach us how to access women's sexual strategy via psychic powers, we just had to ask them and they would confirm the bs from movies and TV. most guys can inuit that the "don't be a dick" lie was false, but i guess these days people put too much faith in media and women's spoken opinions. the phenomenon of it being obvious to women is easily explained by the full access they have to their own brains.

[–]DXBrigade-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You aren't supposed to be taught how to get laid, it's something that you have to figure out yourself. I am a woman. I am not gay but I can tell which woman is attractive, which isn't. I never had to ask men or a anyone else for this. Likewise, men know which men are popular, which aren't.

[–]usegao1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

everyone knows women are just as superficial as men. that is not the "disney lie" people talk about. the disney lie is that if you are caring and supportive your girlfriend/partner will love you more, when the reality is that you become sexually repulsive to her instead. the princes in disney movies are charming and get the girl. this would never happen in real life (well, maybe if its an actual prince)

[–]DXBrigade-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Being caring and supportive to your girlfriend actually works, at the condition that you are attractive. That said, I don't understand why anyone would based their life on Disney movies.

[–]usegao0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

nope

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew26 points27 points  (88 children) | Copy Link

where else are they going to get their ideas of reality? all anyone watches is unrealistic PG 13 capeshit and kids movies that lack all human verisimilitude, they dont date in high school, they dont read books, they get their idea of reality from tinder experiments and braincels stories

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

they dont read books

I thought reading was gay

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

it is but if all your other art is lying to you about human nature AND you're not reading books, you will have nothing to go on

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

AND you're not reading the right books, you will have nothing to go on

Ftfy - I read a lot, unfortunately it was 95% nonsense

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

all anyone watches is unrealistic PG 13 capeshit and kids movies

Don't get me started on this trend in movies. And even in Gen X...what happened ??

[–]AzkikRide The Tiger3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is kind of a roundabout way of explaining it, but it definitely gets the point across. The social vectors for normal human growth have been removed and replaced with increasingly virtualized, increasingly omnipresent, simulacra. Technology amplified the social trend of deconstructing spaces of shared attention, and now builds new ones that are purely fantastical because they are purely digital, and therefore lack much of the "en-frame-ment" with which we evolved.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Really good video, thanks. I have a lot of opinions on movies and culture which many people do not share, so I come across as a snob but there are reasons for all this. I usually shut up about it so I don't wound anyone's pride but this guy gets it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And I just realized this comment sounds arrogant too. Oh great.

[–]fuckdr11 1 points [recovered]  (48 children) | Copy Link

“These dumb kids don’t do stupid boomer shit like I do ! What a load of idiots ! The world is sure to end soon ! ! !”

[–]DrTushfinger10 points11 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Yeah who needs life experience or knowledge

[–]fuckdr11 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy Link

You certainly need to get some.

[–]DrTushfinger5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I’ll take it from a CHAD such as yourself. Who else but an absolute clean-up batter with the ladies would call himself a “pump and dump advocate”

[–]fuckdr11 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

Your opinions of me, whether correct or wrong, are not interesting in the slightest.

[–]DrTushfinger 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

Good, then feel free to butt out

[–]fuckdr11 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

Butt out of the conversation that I started with somebody else? Why do you think anybody here cares for your input?

[–]DrTushfinger 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Just pump and dump big man on campus hahaha bro get it

[–]fuckdr11 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is it, then? This is your intellectual ceiling? Best of luck to you.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin 1 points [recovered]  (11 children) | Copy Link

if thats what you read in what i wrote then you are a dumb kid

the world is not ending

i dont give a flying fuck if young people dont have sex and feel lied to.

[–]fuckdr11 1 points [recovered]  (9 children) | Copy Link

I’m a lot smarter than you are.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy Link

Nah

[–]fuckdr11 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

Enjoy your 25 year reunion at ITT Tech.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

lol whut?

[–]fuckdr11 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

I’m translate that for you:

You’re old, and not very highly educated.

[–]PPD-AngelIncel Ban Count: 17[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be civil. Final warning.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

mm, i have a BA and a JD

[–]fuckdr11 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

That’s probably not true.

[–]GridReXXit be like that6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I’m not a boomer / Gen X, but I agree with her. And she’s not talking about all boys / men. Just the ones who live the life she detailed.

[–]fuckdr11 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

She’s only talking about the people she’s talking about? Source?

[–]GridReXXit be like that4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

where else are they going to get their ideas of reality?

all anyone watches is unrealistic PG 13 capeshit and kids movies that lack all human verisimilitude, they dont date in high school, they dont read books, they get their idea of reality from tinder experiments and braincels stories

If the bolded doesn’t apply to you, the comment doesn’t apply to you...

[–]ThisIsJustATr1buteHas what plants crave3 points4 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Ew you think reading is stupid boomer shit

[–]fuckdr11 1 points [recovered]  (20 children) | Copy Link

At least grammar correctly if you want to pretend like not wanting to read stupid novels (probably written by boomers) is wrong.

[–]ThisIsJustATr1buteHas what plants crave5 points6 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

No, I don’t need to have perfect grammar on the internet. It’s widely accepted now, as any real English teacher or editor will tell you. Attacking people for that is just a signaling thing. It’s a reflection of your own ignorance that you think all that exists is stupid novels written by boomers. People who don’t read stay clueless.

[–]fuckdr11 1 points [recovered]  (18 children) | Copy Link

I have advanced degrees in STEM. If you think that reading novels is “learning”, then you’re completely clueless.

[–]ThisIsJustATr1buteHas what plants crave9 points10 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Why am I not surprised, a STEMlord who is utterly ignorant of many facets of humanity because his snobbery and arrogance only lets him value his socially inept field. I feel bad for people who think that way, they are the ones who are clueless about human nature, lack critical reasoning, and have “revelations” about life after years of struggling in every relational way, revelations of things that have been self-evident to people who understand art and gleaned insights about life from it, since they were children.

[–]fuckdr11 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy Link

I guess I’d be angry too if I’d gone into a field that’s worthless to society.

[–]ThisIsJustATr1buteHas what plants crave3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I’m not angry. You are. Even if I did get into that field, which I didn’t, it would have timeless value to humanity. I’m sorry you’re so narrow and sad.

[–]fuckdr11 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

I’m neither of those things. You’ve constructed an elaborate strawman in your head based on very little knowledge about me (and just very little knowledge in general, apparently).

[–]sugarcurious 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

Holy fucking shit, who pissed in your cereal this morning? It’s shit like your string of comments that make me laugh when I hear women are the “emotional” gender, you’re getting yourself in a fucking tizzy, over what?

If you think that reading novels is “learning”

Uh dude, you can learn something from practically everything. Take a fiction novel for example, you can increase your vocab, learn proper grammar, sentence structure, how to develop characters and story lines, you can learn about culture mores, life lessons and about how life isn’t always black and white. And that’s just fiction.

Honestly, you’re the idiot if think there is nothing to be learned from a novel.

[–]fuckdr11 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

I don’t know what about my comments leads you to believe that I’m “emotional”. You’re not smart enough to talk to me.

[–]sugarcurious 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

Everyone if the thread can see how emotional you’re being. Holy shit.

You’re not smart enough to talk to me

If you say shit like this, it means you are obviously not as smart as you think you are.

[–]fuckdr11 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Nothing you’ve said has been correct. You should evaluate whether you’re worth the oxygen that you breathe.

[–]Ofourkind[S] 7 points8 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

Girls are brought up in the same media environment, and yet I don't see the women here as confused about the difference between fantasy and reality. In fact, I don't see any at all.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew31 points32 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

women have a whole other set of lies their sold that involve fertility, how to get love from men and male sexuality. you dont see it here because its not relevant

[–]katymarxPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They don't believe it even when they do see it. Men, the anti-vaxxers of the sexes. ;)

[–]skystar862 points3 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Nobody thinks you're gonna be fertile at 50.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew12 points13 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

My generation absolutely thought we were fertile until menopause, in fact when I got pg at 40 almost 10 years ago and had a miscarriage, there was almost NO real info about age and fertility. This has changed now, i was googling constantly and there was nothing but feel good bullshit and no facts. It took my generations "infertility epidemic' to really discover the limits of age and fertility. Never in human history had a whole generation of women tried to wait til after 35 to have babies

[–]Tomatoccino2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was told the opposite - your fertility falls off a cliff at 35, and almost no one can conceive without help at 40. I think I’m about your vintage (45), and my change of life baby at 40 was a huge surprise.

[–]skystar863 points4 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I thought they did it because they wanted to be single career women intentionally and wanted the career life to make lots of money instead of children who they thought would ruin their lives.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew5 points6 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

they ALSO thought you were fertile til menopause, thats not a contradiction

people think they want lots of things til they get there. the hysterical rush to have babies by these "Career" women is what REVEALED the limits of female fertility and age

[–]happycheese86No Pill4 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Woman too old to have children: miscarriage, death. Men too old to have children: mental and physical deformities that are then dumped on the mother or state.

Which has a bigger effect on society? Regardless of the fact that we need to have less children or destroy the planet.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Your anti natalist and anti human sentiments are repulsive

[–]happycheese86No Pill5 points6 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Better than bringing children into the world whose only function is to be the next level in the pyramid scheme of capitalism. That's the true reason fairy tales exist: to push the impressionable into spending money on things like dating, marriage, children, material things that they don't need to create profits that work their way up the pyramid, then stay there. 87% of the 'wealth' in the US last year was 'earned' by the top 5%. Please tell me how that's sustainable. What about the 90% of pollution that's created by the top 10%? Will never stop unless wealth, status, travel suddenly become unattractive.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

My mother, who is a decade and a half older than you, had me at 38 because she stopped using contraception after she heard other women talk about how after 35 you're basically infertile. People knew for a long time that fewer women are able to have children in their late 30s as opposed to 20 year olds.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No fertility issues for older women!!!!!!!! 🎊🎊🎉🎊🎉🎊🎊🎉🎊🎊

Right, what you just did is literally all that was on the internet about middle aged fertility in 2010, thanks

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Lol a woman on my wifes facebook feed had ivf and had twins at 50

Nightmares really do come true

[–]skystar860 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

She had IVF though lol. She didn't get pregnant by just screwing without fertility treatments.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

When I was younger wimen in their early 40s, like my aunt, were getting pg with IVF and other ART and not admitting it, increasing the perception women could get easily pg in 40s

[–]boomcheese442 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In general, they can though.

[–]Akashe880 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Congratulations to her autistic children with 3 arms.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They're not going to be autistic if they're the eggs from years back or from a younger woman.

[–]NiceGuyNumber44 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol

[–]skystar860 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

From real life? From parents, cousins, neighbors, siblings, friends, school, real life people? From observing the real world and what actually happens?

[–]AzkikRide The Tiger0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

From observing the real world and what actually happens?

You are talking about something that maybe 10% of people are capable of doing regularly. And even so, this comment is presupposing that it is possible to look at the real world without any sort of contextual framing. I get what you mean, but there's more at play.

[–]Blonsomio 1 points [recovered]  (14 children) | Copy Link

How old are you? Over 30?

Social media is everything for young people. The rate of celibate young men tripled in the past 10 years while women reaped the benefits of social media and dating apps.

Not all young women have sugar daddies, but many use these new technologies to get with the top 20% men. Some will find a rich boyfriend, some will have to take turns, some will make money off betas. It's a whole new market.

[–]Barneysparky11 points12 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Many meaning the girls on Instagram. I'm sure every high school class has one. Just like they used to have the head cheerleader.

Stop looking at the head cheerleader. Girls learn in early college the latest that trying to be the head cheer leader is just asking for a ton of pain.

I was in Kensington Market/Toronto for 6 days, around tourist spots on lovely Summer days. I saw 4 groups of Instagram types during that period and thousands of thousands of women going about their day. You don't see those women.

I think some of the guys are very young. Maybe in their middle school or high school the girls want to be Instagram models. Most girls grow out of that by grade 11, and very often without actual sexual experience. I can remember getting in major trouble from my mom for lip synching to Greased Lightening. Same thing as young girls wanting to be "influencers". It's part of the normal cycle of growing up.

If a 24 year old is doing the influencer thing and not making a good living on it, they are not functioning at life.

UNLESS: Their influence that includes their hobby, that they want to go full time with. i.e. crafts, writing, ect.

If a 12-15 year old is saying they want to be a influencer, that's normal kid behavior. Most girls get that they are not going to be Disney princess. There is an exception. If you live in a depressed area sometimes the only way out is sports drugs army or body. It's horrible. Kids are not getting the schooling they need in order to further themselves even into the trades. Where I live you can graduate with an apprenticeship if that's the road you want to take

[–]Blonsomio 1 points [recovered]  (11 children) | Copy Link

You don't need to be an influencer to reap the benefits of social media as a woman. The internet allows women to fully engage on their hypergamy.

[–]Tomatoccino1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

How? Do women get paid per like on their duckface selfie?

[–]Blonsomio 1 points [recovered]  (9 children) | Copy Link

No, they just find a guy to fuck and/or pay their shit online. When you have thousands of dudes checking out of your instagram, it's easy.

[–]Tomatoccino1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

What sort of an imbecile pays money to some girl online for just being there?

[–]Blonsomio 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

Plenty of men do.

[–]Tomatoccino0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Fools and their money. Do the gift to Nigerian princes, too?

[–]Blonsomio 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

Only the ladies.

[–]oneprettycoolcat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only ones who don't have sugar daddies are the ones who don't want sugar daddies.

[–]KikiYuyuPurple Pill Woman5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Young is the keyword. Young men and women fall for stuff because they haven't realized how much of social media is just lies and acting. It's supposed to be real stuff coming from real people like you and me, but it's not like that. It doesn't represent the reality of person-to-person life.

[–]Xemnas813 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's not do the Disney-lied-to-us strawman again. It isn't just Disney, and it should be no surprise that most men 'swallowing the red pill' were either sheltered as a child and young adult, or for all intents and purposes have a mental handicap on grasping neurotypical social dynamics.

To your 2nd point; I'm not deluded into thinking most women can be, or even WANT to be, IG models. It's mostly young women, older women and overweight women with low self esteem. The ability TO have a side hustle to make bank from your body with no risk of rape/assault/harassment/coercion of any kind, is one of the core hopes of sex positive feminism though.

I think a lot of women unexpectedly end up becoming them when their weight loss story goes viral. I will grant you that incels overestimate their actual long term popularity; a lot of them peak early, then put on weight and start making cringey catch-up or throwback videos, plummeting their subscribers

[–]meomeowmeoww 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

Why the lack of basic critical thinking?

because men are ONLY thinking of the hottest stacies who CAN and DO do those things. All the other Helga's aren't even alive.

[–]ohheyhi99Conflicted Feminist Man, No Pill2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If a woman knows where to look and is willing to put in some work, she doesn’t have to be a Stacy to find a sugar daddy these days. I’m not kidding.

[–]meomeowmeoww 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

  1. Be attractive (baseline is just more attractive than the walking wallet)
  2. Dont be unattractive (not uglier than the wallet)

[–]ohheyhi99Conflicted Feminist Man, No Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. The baseline is just to be decently more attractive than what the wallet can dependably get on their own.

[–]Ofourkind[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ding ding ding

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

you said it yourself...they are YOUNG. Or more precisely, INEXPERIENCED.

That is the same reason why women think they can pull off divorce and find a better man, or that they should focus on stupid shit as "glamour"

Inexperienced people know nothing about reality because they have never experienced it. Or did so in bubbles which diminished a lot of what they can learn

None is born skeptic, they become skeptic with enough time. That is why all kids are known to be naive.

[–]Ofourkind[S] 2 points3 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

But why are young men more impressionable than young women this way?

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

They arent. Women are impressionable too. Theres an entire movement of women complaining how impressionable they are and how society told them things and made them do things, its called feminism, way bigger than trp will ever be

[–]Ofourkind[S] 4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Hmmmm

If anything, feminists complain about how damaging and unrealistic social media can be. They aren't falling for it the same way that TRP and incel-type men do.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Agree to FIRMLY disagree. Theyre the same type of individual one group just has social acceptability on their side

[–]Ofourkind[S] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

What "lies" are the feminists complaining about? What did they fall for?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Heres a random example:

https://everydayfeminism.com/2014/10/unlearning-patriarchal-lies/

Google patriarchal lies and you get like 100000 results. Take your pick

[–]Ofourkind[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Huh. You think gender roles are lies?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whos “you”? Them? The feminists? The ones being compared to the men you look down on? If so, yes

[–]unorthodoxcowboy1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You should know, you’re one of them. The way you talk and everything about this post gives it away. As a matter of fact, your next move is to play obtuse.

[–]Ofourkind[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Care to point out what gives you that impression?

[–]unorthodoxcowboy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

An invented narrative was the first big clue and dead giveaway. Basic stuff

[–]tallwheelManosphere Unificationist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In your above example, the TRP and incel men would actually be equivalent to the feminists - people who previously were unaware but now realize they've been duped... and maybe take things a bit too far in their angry reaction.

You're comparing feminists' current state to the previous state of now TRP or incel men.

[–]WavesAcross0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If anything, feminists complain about how damaging and unrealistic social media can be. They aren't falling for it the same way that TRP and incel-type men do.

Feminists complain about it precisely because so many women are manipulated by it. If women weren't falling for it, as you suggest, feminists would have no reason to be concerned.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

They aren't more impressionable than young women.

Did you even see young women? their expectations? Their behavior to obtain partners?

Everyone is impressionable when young. But learn to not be in certain areas with enough experience.

I don't know what you are talking about, even 14 years old girls with sexual experience higher than average americans are as gullible as any other. Heh... at least my sister was.

heck many fully grown women here are impressionable.

[–]Ofourkind[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm specifically asking about influence of social media..

I dont ever see women here confused about reality vs Instagram fantasy. There are men who think most young women live like social media influencers in almost every thread.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know about you, but something similar happened within my youth and the social media "Orkut" (Yes, I am old, bite me), women were just as gullible.

Like I said young women think that too... look at their social media accounts if you have any doubt.

[–]idhavetocharge0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its the 'squeaky wheel' phenomenon. These media personalities are easy to find, advertise themselves so you will be shown their ads, and are seen by millions. Your average person is nit going to be seen online by more than a handful of people.

So of course they think 'all women are like that' since they want to believe bit AND its what they see everyday and actively search for.

I understand your question, you are wondering why males are more susceptible to this influence. I can't answer that right now. But I do understand how its happening, its as simple as targeted advertising. There is nothing to sell and no money to be had for average boring daily grind of life type of media. It needs to be over-the-top to bring in advertising dollars. It needs tits and ass to get guys searching for it and consuming pictures and spending time on pages or watching videos. And the absolute truth is that the girl-next-door isn't going to be able to sell your product placement because she is boring and not as hot as the fake boobs, nails, hair, and makeup cake. So men don't even acknowledge women that are average, plain, not fit, not made-up. They don't exist.

I think part of this is why men get so angry now when women don't immediately bow to every demand. They are too used to typing anything they want into a search bar and having whatever they want.

I can't explain why they are so gullible in the first place. I can only guess the testosterone makes them useless for thinking about something other than getting sex.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hear, hear!

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People who struggle to do things always assume that the people who CAN do things must have some sort of amazing extra leg up in the world. And maybe it’s true, in some ways.

Ie - I grew up with really adventurous, gregarious parents. We went on all sorts of road trips growing up, so the idea of “travel” was always available to me - just throw a spare shirt and a toothbrush in your backpack, hop in the car and drive. I saved up and paid my own way to Germany with friends by 16. By 17 I went on my first solo road trip, driving 12 hours from Omaha to Cincinnati just to see their 17 year cicada plague (I’m kinda obsessed with insects.)

By 19, I was bored with the Midwest so I just threw all the shit I could fit into the back of my car, put the rest of my shit on the curb and drove East until I hit Philly. Within a week I’d gotten a job, within a month I had an apartment, and within a year I’d enrolled myself in college.

I have to think part of the reason I could do all of is because I’d grown up being shown it was possible. I doubt I would have been so confident I could pull it off if I’d been raised as an indoor cat whose only world perspective was the stupid shit people say to each other on the internet. Echo chambers are designed to keep people from developing, as becoming well-rounded inevitably results in no longer needing an echo chamber. For the people still IN that echo chamber, this is abandonment. Misery loves company. To avoid misery you have to seek situations that aren’t full of misery. But to do that, you have to know (or believe) that the option even exists.

[–]pnadlerlaw4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

O.o

I don’t think there is more than maybe 1% of all men (“if” that) who genuinely believe that men just give “women” (in the aggregate, not just 18-22 year old 10/10s, but ALL or even MOST women) free shit just for existing and being a woman.

As far as the beliefs about 18-22 year old 10/10s, men don’t need social media for that. I’ve seen my father literally put his boat into the marina, have it professionally cleaned, and invite strippers out for the weekend, or take a webcam girl to Greece for ten days. He’s told me about it and showed me the pictures that I can’t unsee.

Same thing with my uncle. Same thing with myself when I was 15 for this girl in my high school class. Same thing with this poor guy I knew in college who fell really hard for this Chinese girl who would barely speak a word. Men do stupid shit. People do stupid shit ... especially when they’re young or thirsty (or both).

But I don’t think there’s any kind of general belief among men in the manosphere or male subculture that assumes or pre-supposes that men just give women (in the aggregate) free shit just for existing or being a woman. That’s like the No. 1 complaint of women about feminists and feminism. Thanks a lot feminism! Now men will push us out of the way when the Titanic is sinking and now we have to pay half of the fucking cheque for dates. Fucking feminists!

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Manosphere men in general tend to be prone to exaggeration because this is how they recruit to their cause. Feminists do the same thing in regards to men.

[–]NiceGuyNumber49 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're taking comments made by semi-autistic men on a debate forum where we discuss gender dynamics as a sample of the male population.

Meanwhile, every female between 13 and 30 has her face glued to her insta. Gone are the days of being envious of celebrities on magazine covers. Here are the days of filtered ass shots to compete for fake internet points and getting your news from Snapchat.

[–]sophii13 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because they want to believe it.

[–]deep-end3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The same reason women are so gullible to social media and fairytales.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ6 points7 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

young men are gullible

talks about people who convinced women their belly had to look flat no matter what posture they have

hm....

which they believe somehow means that young women are commonly given money by random strangers

From what I hear, a girl just has to be cute and beg for money, and some men will donate. Now, not all want to beg for money, and not all succeed into making it a sustainable business.

I don't really understand your point.

[–]Ofourkind[S] 3 points4 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Do you think that most young women who travel are funded by someone else?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

yes. just normally it's their fathers. xD i.e. still funded by a man.

[–]pngmafia97my type is chadcucks11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

how exactly do you think young men travel?

There are many privileged young men and women whose travel is funded by their families. There are many independent young men and women who fund their travels on their own.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everyone who is young and/or do not have more has to rely on others to travel. Mostly family

Parents are a blessing and they want their children to have a good life.

Even to this day my parents want to pay me to visit them, even when I earn way more than then.

Such is life.

[–]learn2earn893 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

All of my friends who travel, including myself are funded by the work we do, the time we spent doing our school work and the time we spent getting job interviews. It’s obvious you only pay attention to really hot women who happen to capitalize on their looks.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They're the only women that exist in their eyes.

[–]skystar862 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or funded by credit cards.

[–]angels-fanCrooning over hellscapes0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Please, I beg you, don't start down the "XD" path!

[–]poison-fang-blade0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm not the guy you replied to, but my two cents is that I try to avoid any kind of emojis, text or picture, but sometimes it's hard to convey emotion thorough pure text.

[–]angels-fanCrooning over hellscapes0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't mind emojis. I just loathe the XD one.

[–]Akashe880 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Here's one you might like though:

8=======D

[–]angels-fanCrooning over hellscapes1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's a good one!

[–]DragoonXFury22 Yr Black Virgin Skater Stoner Anime Nerd NPC0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

XD

[–]Akashe880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. Love gay / dick jokes. I managed to pepper some exquisite dick jokes into an interview today. Was a great icebreaker! SO proud!

[–]Ofourkind[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Most fathers could never afford to buy a luxury vacation for their kids even if they wanted to

[–]NotTodayBoogeyman6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Most children don’t go on luxury vacations... again what’s your point?

[–]Ofourkind[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My point is that when most young people travel, they do so cheap on their own dime.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. It was a joke.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's probable that women travel using other people's money more often than men, for various reasons. And one of these reason probably is that there are more female instagram model who literally make money out of vacation pictures. But I think your point is "most do that" and not "women do that more than men"?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do young men feel this way?

Maybe my sample is biased (living in a richer town with 2 universities), but I don’t know a single guy who thinks this way

[–]TheBrizey1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because philosophy should be the cornerstone of the education system, but it’s barely touched upon.

[–]hammerhauntsbread pill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's amazing to me that they believe things like luxury vacations paid for by sponsors or a sugar daddy are actually a normal thing, to the point where many are claiming that this is how most young women travel.

I think its normal for many young women to aspire to that lifestyle, that's not that much better

[–]bonusfruit3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Compared to what? Women? Have women proven in any way to be skeptical or extra rational regarding social media stories? Or is this like toxic masculinity where both sexes are guilty of something but it arbitrarily becomes a male thing?

[–]its_going_down_2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I disagree. I believe that the sample of people that you use as evdience is highly biased.

[–]Barely-moralMostly red though3 points4 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

this is how most young women travel.

You think most women that travel are paying the costs all by themselves?

somehow means that young women are commonly given money by random strangers

The option is there even if they don't want to take it. See "foodie calls"

Now to your questions. The kind of men that buy into that are the kind of men that have little to no contact with the real world. If you grow up with videogames and movies and get your social interaction online then social media and fairytales are the only source of information you have.

[–]Ofourkind[S] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You think most women that travel are paying the costs all by themselves?

Obviously. With the exception of the minority young people who come from families who are able to afford to pay for their kids' travels. Most young people get there by saving money and travelling cheap.

Now to your questions. The kind of men that buy into that are the kind of men that have little to no contact with the real world. If you grow up with videogames and movies and get your social interaction online then social media and fairytales are the only source of information you have.

Do you think most young men grow up without any interaction with their peers?

[–]katymarxPurple Pill Woman7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly! What Insta fails to portray is how cheap and hovel-y hostels can be, that inexpensive street food or local groceries provide good inexpensive food that doesn't get served on a plated and photo ready. They aren't seeing it because they are following hot-thots they want to fuck. And FOMO is hugely internalized, especially for those who don't know the actual people behind the facade. Even I've gotten caught up feeling inadequate over a facade, and I'm a skeptical ass hag.

[–]Barely-moralMostly red though0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you think most young men grow up without any interaction with their peers?

"Most young men"? No.

The men that seem gullible to social media and fairytales? Yes. Most if not all of them. Also, even if there is some interaction with their peers, as long as that interaction does not involve women, or is insular and done in internet bubbles/safe spaces then the interaction does nothing to prepare them for the real world.

[–]skystar861 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We live in a world where credit cards and loans are easy to come by. People charge now and think later.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

You think most women that travel are paying the costs all by themselves?

no their parents and family money are paying fo rit

[–]katymarxPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

When they are younger and if in the US, to an extent, they can be Outside of the US young people travel far more extensively. They travel cheap, in groups, cook their own meals in cheap hostels, etc. Brits, Aussies, Mexicans, French, just a rando smattering, many more first world countries have a travel culture and people start saving up for it young.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i dont care about other countries

im always talking about the US unless otherwise specified

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

And the government

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The government pays for young women to travel? Are they in the CIA?

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

When I studied lots of people had pell grants

Also the whole program is state subsidized

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Pell grants they used to travel is what you mean?

What whole program?

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Derp let me try that again

When I studied abroad, lots of people paid for the study abroad program in part with pell grants. And the study abroad program itself was government funded as well

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh ok lol

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Critical thinking about your own life is like one of the last things that our society is geared to teach anyone male or female, excepting therapists offices which at this point are almost subverting the desired order of the world. Though, where is this population of men who hang on the every word of instagram models? Like, I remember hearing about Fyre Fest but I literally don't know anyone who even began to think about going this seems like an above upper middle class thing tbh which would mean it's not "Young men" but "Rich young men who are utterly disconnected from the reality most live in" which makes it make a little more sense for them to be gullible.

[–]Ofourkind[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There are men who firmly believe that most young women live like social media influencers in almost every thread here.

[–]skystar860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do they not have sisters or cousins or female family members?

[–]zerofeetpersecond0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most of the women I meet under 40 appear to sell themselves as larger than life. The perception is a product of the reality.

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

things like luxury vacations paid for by sponsors or a sugar daddy are actually a normal thing, to the point where many are claiming that this is how most young women travel

Most young women that travel - indeed cover the costs of their travelling with money that they did not earn. Usually, with money earned by a man (either relative or romantic partner).

Why the lack of basic critical thinking?

150 years of their own mothers telling them that applying critical thinking to women is misogyny.

This is of course under super-generous assumption that the problem you're describing actually exists.

[–]damaskrose 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

They're traveling with their parents' money. And their brothers are doing the same thing. You really think rich boomers are only giving money to their daughters and not their sons?

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You really think rich boomers only give money to their daughters and not their sons?

I'm pretty sure that if I had enough time right now, I could demonstrate it, but you've shifted the goalpost massively. Sons would generally ask for generous allowance for something useful and that lasts, like, for example, a telescope, rather than a couple weeks of fickle sensational stimulation to fill their Instagram with. #NotAll #NotAll #NotAll (drawing a triple hashtag sign in the air with my fingers and crossing my hands on my chest); I'm glad for your sister and niece and grandmother who are/were Totally Not Like That; no need to bother me with their life stories.

[–]damaskrose 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

They don't even have to ask for money, lonely newly retired boomers are constantly using international family vacations to bribe their kids to hang out (just crop the old people out of your insta photos).

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

OK I can tell you don't know any rich kids

False. I graduated from elite high school. Among my school peers were son of the local governor and daughter of the CEO of huge-ass corporation's subdivision. I know of several upper-class girls among my school peers who had an airplane trip to my country's capital for a prom dress made by private tailor. And not a single dude who did the same.

spend their parents' money on sports cars, douchey clothes, and millennial "It's like Uber, but for weed!" startup ideas, not telescopes.

Sports car is a nice long-term investment. It can, by itself, be turned into source of income. Even if its owner doesn't know how to drive.

And they don't have to ask for travel funds, newly retired boomers use expensive family vacations to bribe their adult children to hang out

In this particular super-goalpost-shifty scenario, I have huge doubts that a woman whose parents drag her around the globe as an excuse to bother her with their presence, would say that travelling is her hobby and interest.

[–]damaskrose 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sports car is a nice long-term investment. It can, by itself, be turned into source of income.

So can an Instagram account, that's the whole point.

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, good luck with that:

Brands are increasingly turning to micro-influencers - typically users with between 50,000-100,000 followers - to promote products. Those users only make up 2.8% of the Instagram population. So despite not being celebrities, these users are still valuable and rare. In fact, all Instagram users with more than 50,000 users make up only 8% of the total pool.

[–]czerdec0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

They hire pretty good come-on people to lure customers.

Also, having been a young man myself: we're so gullible as young men I don't think it's true to say we have free will.

[–]skystar861 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We do have free will. I remember analyzing everything around me since childhood.

[–]_Anarchon_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why the lack of basic critical thinking?

The ability to think critically has been surgically removed from both men and women by government indoctrination centers, a.k.a. public schools.

[–]tallwheelManosphere Unificationist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is a higher percentage of men with zero dating/sexual experience than there are women. Those men retain their fantasies until a big enough rejection hurts them badly enough. Most women find out sooner, in their teens or early twenties at the latest.

The men you see who believed in the fairytales and are shocked to learn they aren't real are those men who are/were incel for a significant period of time and learned the truth too late. Their female equivalent will never be as large a percentage of the female population.

[–]matrixpush0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Very few men are naturally "red pill", that's why.

Cynicism is OG red pill.

[–]Ofourkind[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

outright denial of basic reality is not cynicism.

go read some Marcus Aurelius

[–]matrixpush0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sort of one in the same.

The blue pill conditioning everyone receives is why men fall for this stuff.

Red pill tells them to at least question it.

[–]Ofourkind[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You are wildly misinterpreting what cynicism is

[–]matrixpush0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most cynics are not gullible, if that matters.

[–]JosephZheng1110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its mostly true I think. I think the best way to see it is to look at their own lives or the lives of people they know. Like, whats the relationship like between a person's parents. Or the parents of friends they know. And try to determine based on all of the adult relationships he has witnessed. Who usually pays for things

[–]HectoSexual0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

You’re implying that the default state of young humans should be something else other than gullibility?

How would that even work?

Just imagine a 5 year old yelling at his iPad screen, “Ariel would never give up her voice for legs! So unrealistic! Real women don’t act like that!”

Like it’s crazy to even think about. How would a 5 year old have any knowledge like that to compare new information to?

[–]Ofourkind[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

We're not talking about 5 year olds, though. We're talking about RP men.

[–]HectoSexual0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

My point is that beliefs that 5 year olds are indoctrinated with don’t just go away on their own.

[–]Ofourkind[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Right, you learn from growing up and living in the real world.

The question is why men seem to be much slower

[–]webernicke0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because part of the con is encouraging men to deliberately disregard the evidence in front of thier eyes and also to make them feel that it's morally wrong to question or disagree with certain narratives.

It's quite like religion.

[–]Ofourkind[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So vast and widespread conspiracy?

[–]HectoSexual0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, that’s what a society is. A vast and widespread conspiracy.

[–]ontherailstoday0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think most people get sucked in by some sort of incorrect representation of some general aspect of part of the world somewhere along the line... I mean not just about sex but about all sorts of things, you're going to drop the ball on something sometime. Maybe you based your romantic fantasies off Disney. Maybe you didn't realize straight up that the personnel department is there to protect your employer not you. Maybe you ignored the effects of compound interest when you got your first credit card. Just most of us when we work it out we sort of shrug, realize that on this issue we'd been stupider than our peers, correct our actions and feelings and get on with life.

What amazes me about the young men who complain isn't that a small proportion of men formed inaccurate perceptions, but their placing the locus of control over that outside of themselves and then their subsequent lack of embarrassment in talking about their mistake.

[–]Akashe880 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I literally just listened 5 hours ago to one of my female colleague's stories about gold-digging adventures of her youth.

And boy, does she have many of those stories!

There was a guy who once paid for 1 whole year of her rent. Didn't even bang him.

Her former boss took her to exotic vacations multiple times, for years. Didn't even bang him.

She received a fuckton of presents and favors from guys, ranging from golden necklaces to almost a car!

She got multiple jobs from guys who wanted to bang her. Didn't bang most of them.

I saw pictures of her youth. She was maybe a 7 or 8 in looks, but has a shitty fucking personality and cognitive power. She's not even smart enough to properly manipulate people. Men just threw money at her hoping they can bang her.

And I have plenty of female acquaintances with stories like these.

So yeah, MANY men are fucking retarded for throwing time and resources at women. Especially when they get nothing in return. They only have the right to be angry at their gullible, autistic beta/provider self though.

[–]Ofourkind[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok. I know a guy who lived a normal life up until his thirties and then inherited 4.5 million dollars from a relative he didn't even know had that kind of money. Crazy story, like a movie.

Know what that means? Nothing.

[–]Akashe880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Again, as I said, my anecdote was not an outlier. It's the fucking norm. Most women I know travel thanks to men in their lives, whether it's their dad, husband/boyfriend, or random dude.

Another fairly decent looking chick in the office (happens to be a cleaning lady) I talked to this week is traveling to France. To a guy. On the guy's money. And in exchange she is fucking him.

Stuff like this are not outliers. If you think that, you are either too biased to see, or your environment lies to you, and you are too autistic to spot those lies.

[–]katymarxPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Don't believe for a second she wasn't fucking them. I've been in that game, very seldom do these men not expect sex. Perhaps one of them had a white knight complex and/or erectile dys, but I guarantee she was just posturing for everyone so not to be judged. Gross, why would you tell your coworkers about this? Do you work in retail or fast food? Totally innaprop for a professional setting.

[–]Akashe881 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I work in the upper echelons of IT / Leadership, but said Colleague is a random facility member I'm meeting quite often.

The guys in the stories were expecting sex, but according to her, she rarely blessed them with sexual reciprocation in exchange for their $$$. No doubt, they were low value males with some money, but my point is that such behavior is quite common. Scummy for both men and women participating it.

[–]katymarxPurple Pill Woman-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Her story is suspect and that is shitty thing to brag about, it doesn’t serve her in any way, not professionally, SMV, RMV, FSM

[–]Kektzalcoatl-1 points0 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

It's been established on this sub that men are also much more impressionable when it comes to fairytales like Disney movies.

Pffft! I damn near spit out my water. Gr8 b8.

[–]Ofourkind[S] 7 points8 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Dude, the incel types here regularly complain about being "lied to" by fantasy movies. It's been a thing for a long time.

[–]ThisIsJustATr1buteHas what plants crave1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It’s true

[–]Ofourkind[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You think fantasy is "lies"?

[–]ThisIsJustATr1buteHas what plants crave1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No I think what you’re saying is true

[–]Kektzalcoatl-2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm not engaging you on this farcical point, dude. I'm going to continue to believe that you're baiting, and that's that.

Good one, man! You almost had me.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

He's right, though. Plus there's the "nice guy gets the girl" lie, which is the biggest subset of the fairy tale lies.

[–]Kektzalcoatl 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

He's right about his utterly baseless assertion? I see... you're just as much of a clown as he is.

[–]LeJacquelope 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're utterly wrong and now I am reporting you to the moderators for name-calling. Have a nice day, you won't be trash talking any more after this. Oh yeah and you're blocked now so you won't be my problem ever again.

[–]SparrowInAHurricane-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Because if you don't believe in fairy tales then you have to willing to accept you can't be anything/or have anything you want in life. It's giving up.

[–]Ofourkind[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Having goals is one thing.

Throwing a tantrum because you realize your expectations are unreasonable are quite another.

[–]NotTodayBoogeyman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I find it hilarious that you’re so fixated on males here, every statement you’ve made more accurately depicts women from my experience.

How many women have body image issues, self esteem issues, commitment issues, etc. just from watching all the fake ass shit on social media? In turn causing them to throw their little tantrums when a guy isn’t like insta girls boyfriend, or when their vacation isn’t spent doing 20,000 things like all the other girls on Instagram. Throwing tantrums about needing photos to then further the divide with their posts. Men care less then women....

[–]SparrowInAHurricane-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't say tantrums but it really is the Peter Pan idea of accepting growing up and settling.

[–]neubiiAUT-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As for a man who grew up with Disney movies and i still have them at my parent's house in VHS.

I grew up with the princess and prince impression, the oneitis, that there is this one perfect mate for you on this earth. Listening to music on a daily basis, singers and bands would write about "the one love", either she broke their hearts or they praised them for being perfect.

No one told me when I was young how it really was going down, especially in the ages from 5 to 15. Only when i started out dating and getting experiences with women i realized more and more that these are dreams, imaginary pictures drawn by people who would like it to be that way. Disney movies have some Real Life messages along the way that might impact you, Jordan Peterson has some lectures on it, f.e. "the beauty and the beast" for women.

But it is very hard and emotionally destructive when your "mating compass" gets turned in the wrong direction in the beginning and you have to turn it around through breakups, hardships, and lessons in life.

Edit: Furthermore i wanted to add

I had a lot of female friends, especially in HS and when it comes to crushes i would ask on how to get them. And most advice women give would end a man up in the friendzone. Being played of as the nice guy etc.. That's why i would say i have been lied to from women. They tell you how they would like it in their head, but what women actually want and how a man actually gets a girl is a whole different thing. In HS you can make mistakes and both sexes don't have a lot of experience, but the older you get the creepier you appear.

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[–]geyges🐇5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not so much lack of critical thinking as it is naivete.

Women get coerced into learning dissimulation very early on by other women.

Young men are often shamed or ostracized for lying or being disingenuous.

Once they start seeing hypocrisy, it causes righteous indignation. They can either rebel, or adapt. Rebels get crushed. Those that adapt become successful.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll take "I don't get the opposite sex and thus are automatically defective for not being more like my gender" for a thousand, Alex.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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