Where Does This Trend of Men "Waiting For Women To Save Them" Come From?

wtknight · 2019-07-29T12:17:44+00:00

This post ignores the fact that, when men’s rights groups form, they are often attacked by feminist groups for being misogynistic. Of course, the people who form these groups often ignore that the greatest enemy to these movements are not women but other men, who often have an individualistic, “take care of your problems like a man and stop whining” mindset.

[deleted] · 2019-07-29T15:44:10+00:00

Its easy to live a mediocre life and expect everyone to sort your shit for you than sor it yourself.

Most guys are mediocre at best.

Unfortunately we havn't had any decent war or plagues lately to keep the numbers down.

Eastuss · 2019-07-29T12:33:01+00:00

(Except they do nothing on their own to build men's shelters; just want women to build them.)

It's not women, or women's money, which build the women's shelters. It's not a zero sum game, more female shelters means less unisex shelters. And men still do not understand why there's so much awareness on women's shelters when 3/4 of the homeless are men and nobody cares, suddenly why everyone does care when it's women. That's the kind of confusion that leads to this.

(Except they are also extremely negative about men's bodies - so they just want... women to have a male positivity movement for them?)

Men simply do not understand why women need a body positivity movement when fat girls still have higher SMV than average men.

This shit wasn't happening 20-some years ago when I was a teenager.

You mean all this feminist rethoric didn't happen 20-some years ago therefore men weren't counter reacting in confusion?

What changed is that people are a lot more BP and female narrative than before, and sons are being raised as inhibited women. It's as simple as that.

poppy_blu · 2019-07-29T13:33:46+00:00

This shit wasn't happening 20-some years ago when I was a teenager.

You just answered your own question. Boomer parents raised a generation of kids to never think for themselves, never take action unless forced to and to believe they deserve to be worshipped for merely existing.

ontherailstoday · 2019-07-29T15:02:45+00:00

A lot of them are dedicated STEM types who have a totally unrealistic idea of how personal, social and economic change is made to happen. I mean if people are concerned it might as well be fucking magic... the way they see it women wanted things and then women sung a song of complaint to the universe and the universe just created those things, there was no struggle and no pain and no sacrifice and no need to persist and to take time and extend effort and work to understand what is actually happening and agree on plans and suffer setbacks and form new plans and... well you get the picture. Sort of like how people who can't be bothered with understanding tech stuff just try to offload all their tech problems on the people who can be bothered and in doing so sometimes don't appreciate whether the problem will take 30 seconds or 30 hours or 30 years and 3 billion dollars to fix, they just want the special super secret magic held by that other person to be applied to it and the situation fixed.

RadChadswell · 2019-07-29T13:04:12+00:00

So far most replies seem to be

"but WAAAH, there's an obstacle, how do I overcome an obstacle?"

"someone else failed, trying is pointless"

"but they have it easy, I want it easy GIMME GIMME"

"talking on reddit is the only effort I want to make, someone else should do the rest"

Must be internet passivity, RP soycucks.

Nobodykers · 2019-07-29T12:24:35+00:00

Men are jealous of women's strong herd mentality.

E: Reddit cant call me an incel now that i have silver.

Gravel_Roads · 2019-07-29T15:27:48+00:00

Bro you made it all too complicated. Its real simple.

Men see women complain about something and get handed lots of free stuff by SoCiEtY. Autistic men think they can then complain and also get stuff from society, but this fails, because 99% of human beings think (at least on some level) like you... and kind of instinctively dislike when men do this.

Sometimes, as in your case, it comes out as a bunch of "arguments" on the internet trying to "explain" why men doing this are "wrong"... but thats just a bunch of memes lol. In reality what matters is that ppl just dont like men the way they like women. Thats why women complaining is valid but men not. Everything else is just a rationalization cherry on top of the ice cream that is pre-rational decision making that weak men suck.

RedPill-BlackLotus · 2019-07-29T12:18:28+00:00

Is this just another product of kids getting raised on the internet or something? I literally can't fathom the sort of passivity necessary to sit in your room and just wait for someone to break down the door to come fix your life for you.

It's the result of treating boys like defective girls, mollycoddling and lying to kids about what dating entails.

Things like not letting kids play outside and be social, telling them to just be themselves, giving out participation trophies without a clear winner and discouraging boys from being boys ("use your words, feel your feelings, have more pills to kill creativity and turn you into a zombie").

This passivity works for girls who don't have to lift a finger to get shit done, if they're attractive enough (most of them). They can sit back and let love come to them. They can be themselves and someone will still want them. They can use their words and no matter how misandrist the language, they'll get a pat on the back for doing nothing but talking (empowerment!).

So what you have are a bunch of feminised, weak, overweight boys who wish love would land in their laps. They're too afraid to take risks because everything from outside play time to education is sanitised and overprotected. They never learned that risks are important because it can lead to greater rewards.

Accomplishments by men are never celebrated as aspects of their masculinity so they don't see exploration, innovation and creativity as part of who they are. This is why grown adults need 'safe spaces' at universities because conflicting ideas hurt their feelings. This is why Millennials feel entitled to salary increases despite their performance at work. This is why just being social, and competent when socialising, is becoming harder.

Technology has essentially privatised social interactions, which is why you see the dysfunction creeping in. But what we need is to let boys play sport and teach them how to be men: act, compete, channel violence and aggression into positive outlets, and resilience.

My personal opinion is that it's part of a conspiracy because it's far easier to rule a weakened, softened society that is divided because of identity politics. But we'll see how long this lasts before another war breaks out.

------__------------ · 2019-07-29T11:54:00+00:00

"But feminism helps men too" explains all of above

Inb4 not all feminists

sublimemongrel · 2019-07-29T12:38:00+00:00

It only appears to exist here where the gender war is raging. Apparently, men’s problems are women’s responsibility to fix too

[deleted] · 2019-07-29T16:43:30+00:00

Where Does This Trend of Men "Waiting For Women To Save Them" Come From?

The pit of hell.

HighResolutionSleep · 2019-07-30T00:02:46+00:00

We get it, nobody cares about men and expecting them to is cringe because they never will.

LillthOfBabylon · 2019-07-30T12:13:31+00:00

feel their lives will not improve until women "take action" and fix it for them.

Because they dont understand that women aren't asked out by Chads all the time. There's plenty of women who take the initiative.....with guys they like.

hoping a woman will come along and "sell him" on marriage.

Most men like the idea of marriage, or at the very least an LTR.

"Women have women-only shelters, why aren't they building men-only shelters?" (Except they do nothing on their own to build men's shelters; just want women to build them.)

Also, that women are more likely to be in mortal danger.

This isn't really a part of RP or BP that I can tell

It's part of the manosphere, which TRP is a subtype of.

Is this just another product of kids getting raised on the internet or something?

Yes and pornhub.

If you don't go outside, you can't complain you don't get the benefits of the sun, yanno?

People tell them this, but they dont listen.

wtffellification · 2019-07-29T12:39:46+00:00

i dont think men are collectively hoping to be saved by a female counterpart

they are just hoping for a miracle because many deem a miracle more likely to happen than any positive result that would be brought on by effort they put into self improvement

Clipsez · 2019-07-29T16:25:30+00:00

"Women have women-only shelters, why aren't they building men-only shelters?" (Except they do nothing on their own to build men's shelters; just want women to build them.)

This is pretty much bullshit. There was a guy who ran a men's only shelter and was basically laughed at when he applied for aid resources that were readily available for women's only shelters.

He ended up committing suicide (something that also predominately affects men) due to all of the stress: https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/04/29/earl-silverman-dead-suicide_n_3179850.html

I don't know where you're getting your information but no one is waiting for women to create men's shelters, that's malarkey.

Mr_Smoogs · 2019-07-29T12:09:52+00:00

I can make observations about the labor market or marriage market without “waiting for someone to fix it” or whatever.

If I say there’s a massive economic problem in feminism as an ideology because it

a) ultimately diminishes the birthdate and

b) requires a growing population and economy to sustain a welfare state.

That doesn’t mean I am waiting for someone to save us from it. In fact, merely stating that or something similar is growing awareness of that thing. It’s doing some part, however small, that can ultimately lead to change. You don’t have to be a political activist to speak of political change.

You seem to be under the incorrect impression that you must be a political activist to make observations about the political climate or else “you are just waiting for someone else to come save you.”

-OpportunityCost · 2019-07-29T17:37:13+00:00

It is definitely a product of kids getting raised on the internet. There has always been a hierarchy of men getting the most sex and relationships towards the bottom where there is little to no sex and relationships. The internet has just taken that and expanded it 100x. Young men growing up nowadays can see that if you really are a good looking guy then you can get a girl to come have sex with you on an app in 10 minutes. This becomes super depressing to young guys because they feel like they are missing out and get the "why even try" mentality. It can lead to an endless cycle of becoming depressed where the bottom is the incels who just sit in their room and do nothing all day. Also I think that men are just getting sick of seeing all the women are perfect and men are trash attitude in the media. It just leads to more of a society where people don't give a shit about each other. I really think in 10 years we will become like Japan where so many men have just given up and resort to not even trying.

incelicious · 2019-07-29T17:56:03+00:00

You're absolutely right. The Benevolent sexism of needing to save women has to stop. Then no one will sit around waiting to be saved. Everyone will need to take responsibility for themselves. Agency for all.

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Bekiala · 2019-07-29T16:39:00+00:00

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ffbtaw2 · 2019-07-29T20:30:29+00:00

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HighResolutionSleep · 2019-07-30T00:30:44+00:00

I'm going to try to give an honest answer on this one: because we're sold a narrative about how we're moving forward to The Great Egalitarian Unity where imagine all the people sharing all the world, but it's overwhelmingly obvious that nobody actually gives a fuck about men as a class. A lot of men don't have any other group identities that the intersectional Left Tribe cares about, and also aren't particularly conservative or libertarian in disposition, and so you have a lot of men who have no political home, and so nucleate around the common identity that is unserved by any other political party.

That's my estimation of the activist side of the manosphere, though. I don't belong to the licentious hemisphere and never will.

Xemnas81 · 2019-07-30T14:26:42+00:00

Firstly you conflate feminist lobbies with women.

Secondly men and women are meant to be a team

JezebeltheQueen5656 · 2019-07-31T16:57:55+00:00

those men dont want women to save them, they want women to abandon their lives completely to serve them. it is a sort of a isolation tactic. makes women feel responsible for his wellbeing. most common tactic: fake suicide attempt.

any reasonable woman would leave such men in the dust.

JasonPegasi · 2019-08-06T01:55:23+00:00

Man-children started out as a sitcom stereotype and ended up becoming a real thing.

Humans are not good at moderation especially when it comes to modern super-stimuli like video games, social media and television. There is no built-in biological mechanism that says "Too much dopamine" but there is one that is always saying "Get more dopamine". Combine this with a historically low ability for males to express their evolutionary role in society since levels of danger and violence are low and men are no longer the only workers, and you get binges of escapism more common amongst men than women. Your life can easily fall apart around you when you're not even paying attention to it because your time and energy goes into escape.

Barely-moral · 2019-07-29T12:42:39+00:00

They claim that the only reason men clean is because women nag them to

All men do are the things that get them laid and the things that don't significantly reduce their chances of getting laid. (I am making a generalization, I am talking about the majority)

The man that does not act in that way is a man that will not have children so the genetic fuck up that made him that way will dissapear from the gene pool.

If men could get laid by being lazy assholes living in cardboard boxes they would. We would have evolved to be that way.

they complain that women are selfish and lazy and incapable of love, but also seem to desperately be hoping a woman will come along and "sell him" on marriage.

Marriage and love are not the same. Why would you confuse those terms? You can love without being married. You can be married without love.

DREADC0RSAIR · 2019-07-29T14:58:01+00:00

Couldn't you make the same exact argument about women? Where are all these men begging to be saved anyway? I literally have never spoken to anyone on Reddit who matches your description so im going to need statistical evidence.

CainPrice · 2019-07-29T15:07:50+00:00

Modern men are much more feminine than they were 50 years ago.

So instead of sucking it up and handling difficulty, they wait to be told what to do, and wonder why nobody has established programs to help them with routine difficulties like we do for women.

The idea that they're not women and they're not supposed to need that shit is lost on them. Instead of seeing the fact that women need that shit and men don't as an advantage, they see it as unfair inequality and demand that they be lowered to the level of women.

Dumberjack · 2019-07-29T15:36:04+00:00

Most "feminists" don't actually do anything other than bitch on the internet either.

You didn't see it before because the internet didn't exist and all these whiny losers couldn't commiserate together in the loser communities they've built. There was also no way to tell the activists that they were idiots when you heard on the news that they were protesting the way that Barbie (a fictional cartoon) looked, you just had to tell whoever was in the room with you at the time.

[deleted] · 2019-07-29T12:58:56+00:00

It's mostly because their mothers and other woman in their lives have brainwashed them into thinking they need to get a woman to be their best selves which is definitely not true. It also gives an excuse to be lazy.

handklap · 2019-07-29T13:58:35+00:00

I think what you are referring to relates to the mainstream - media, corporations, government, etc. Of course, some random guy can go out there and start addressing men's and boy's issues as an individual. But as a whole, feminists have been very, very successful at silencing and otherwise no-platforming men's groups. They simply do not have a voice in the mainstream.

So in this sense, they are correct. Elected and corporate leaders will not address their concerns unless they get the go-ahead from women and feminists in particular which isn't happening. These civic and corporate leaders know they have to deal with a lynch mob otherwise.

Gravel_Roads · 2019-07-29T15:02:27+00:00

I think men just want to feel like they're valued members of society, instead of walking meat puppets to be used for labor and sperm. A lot of this is just a symptom of being displaced in this new western landscape.

Planetof12 · 2019-07-29T15:24:27+00:00

Self-love is useless. Why do people keep talking about it?