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Straight men and women.

EDIT: I mean sexiness, and only sexiness. Other types of attraction seem to be roughly equivalent in the sexes

EDIT: tbh im just jealous of womens clothes. like i wanna show off my body without looking retarded or gay

Men love boobs. They also love butts. Women are so sexy to men that women actually complain about being too sexy. When I'm walking around, I'm always checking out girls. I love those big booty women whose butts jiggle as they walk. It is very fun to watch, and I always feel better after doing so. Do women do anything similar with men? I don't think they do. Unless I was super jacked, or walked around topless, what women would look at me and feel the way I do when I look at boobs/butts?

When men dress sexy, they cover up. When women dress sexy, they show off their bodies. The vast majority of female clothing shows more skin than male clothing. They don't even have to wear pants to work! There is SO MUCH sexy clothing for women. Leggings, booty shorts, crop-tops, cleavage... even if they decide not to wear a bra, and everyone can basically see their nipples, it's fine.

What compensates for this, if anything?


[–]diffdedbedGreen Eyed Devil40 points41 points  (36 children) | Copy Link

They care. It's just less of the equation. I got in decent but not jacked shape and my same personality was suddenly a lot more appealing.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (34 children) | Copy Link

I got in decent but not jacked shape and my same personality was suddenly a lot more appealing.

Jokes got funnier, stories more compelling.

That's what people don't get about TRP. On a men sharing notes point of view...this. Exactly this.

[–]ThisIsJustATr1buteHas what plants crave5 points6 points  (32 children) | Copy Link

I thought getting in shape was one of the least controversial parts of trp, most people agree fitness helps your social life.

[–]concacanca7 points8 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

Mainstream advice is really don't be fat. TRP doubles down on bodybuilding. Both will kinda work but I've definitely found the reds to have a point here.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Mainstream advice is really don't be fat. TRP doubles down on bodybuilding.

To be a bit pedantic, it's known that the "college athlete" build is way better than bodybuilding.

[–]kandyapplezincel larping as a thot0 points1 point  (28 children) | Copy Link

there is nothing more visually gross than a jacked ugly guy though

[–]RisingUpAgain7 points8 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

Yeah there is, an obese sweaty heavy breathing fuck.

[–]kandyapplezincel larping as a thot0 points1 point  (21 children) | Copy Link

no becuz those guys know their place. im unsettled by worthless effort

[–]RisingUpAgain0 points1 point  (20 children) | Copy Link

Being able to flatten people and having them move out of your way isn’t worthless

[–]kandyapplezincel larping as a thot1 point2 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

yes im the sure thats wat the future holds for gymbound formerly fat programmers

[–]RisingUpAgain1 point2 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Do you lift? I feel like only an out of shape person would make that argument

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

nothing more visually gross than a jacked ugly guy

That guy still gets a lot more play than if we weren't jacked.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

That guy still gets a lot more any play than if we weren't jacked.

FTFY

[–]obsessedGatorade5 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

MGTOW/INCEL ALERT BOT:

BEWARE! johnFrumDenver is an active member in the misogynistic Incel/MGTOW subreddits.

You can find out more about these people by visting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

OK mods, reported this. I have reported similar to TRP mods. Something strange is afoot.

[–]MissLute0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

this is what the black pill says

[–]kandyapplezincel larping as a thot3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

when its convenient they will act like trp is just "work out more!"

[–]binkerfluid2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, I got fat and suddenly my personality is much worse...amazing!

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I got in decent but not jacked shape and my same personality was suddenly a lot more appealing.

My experience too. Funny how that happens.

[–]HottentotGeniusHippie Chadavius✊🏽28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women do love the male form, their standards are just stricter and more complex compared to men.

There's not much a sexually attractive woman can say that will make the average dude not have sex with her.

A very attractive man will have more leeway than one who's not, but can DEFINITELY still talk his way out of the vagina

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman72 points73 points  (71 children) | Copy Link

Women care about men's bodies, they just do not care about them the way men want them to. Men see women as a series of disconnected body parts that they can do things to and that make them horny. Women like looking at male bodies but they do not see them as a bunch of body parts there to give them pleasure, they evaluate the male physique and judge but they do not look at a broad pair of shoulders and think hmm want to bang that.edit spelling.

[–]drsherbert12 points13 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

They like shoulders and ass, but more importantly jawline and height

[–]reluctantly_red1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

but more importantly jawline and height

For this I'm thankful.

[–]binkerfluid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

at least someone is reaping the benefits though

sometimes I feel like the leftover crap

[–]tia-now-3 points-2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The height thing is a bummer, if only because average height guys have to be extra conscious of all the other parts (and be funny and charming). I’m lucky enough to not be short or objectively unattractive, but even if I max everything I’ve got any control over I’m a seven at best (and that’s if I’m making them laugh and/or/being as engaging as I can). Glad I’m not actively dating right now.

Not to repeat a point that’s been made a million times, but as much as women are supposedly held to unrealistic standards, at least none of those standards is something you absolutely can not do anything about.

[–]reluctantly_red6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

average height guys have to be extra conscious of all the other parts (and be funny and charming)

As a tall guy (6'4") I've found that it works best if I just shut the fuck up and not even try to be funny or charming.

[–]tia-now0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

See?!? And you probably come off as stoic and mysterious. They want to figure you out and get you to open up. Down here, quiet comes off as creepy.

Also, all things equal you’d beat me out for a job and you’re probably looked at as a natural leader.

Damn you, tall guy. Damn you all to heck.

Let me know if you need a sidekick, though. For real.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Face > height though. Women just want a guy taller than them, that’s it.

It really sucks if you’re a guy and shorter than most women though

[–]tia-now0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s really it. I’ve only had one gf who was taller than me and I didn’t like it. Facing upward to kiss her felt like being in a Motörhead tribute band. Totally unnatural.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Still not something you can control

Plastic surgery can change some facial features, but not all

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (53 children) | Copy Link

Women care about men's bodies, they just do not care about them the way men want them to.

Which is why lifting to be "big" is stupid, but lifting to be strong works like a charm.

[–]Jaeger__8518 points19 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Dont see fat powerlifters pull alot of pussy.

[–]gugabe9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah. That advice is absurd. Lift for aesthetic muscle development if you want to use it to get with girls. World's Strongest Man isn't exactly a field of World's Hottest Man contenders.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That dude is so fat. Is he strong and can rip me in half? Oh yeah, dude’s literally strength incarnate. He ain’t an aesthetic looking dude though

[–]admiral_snugglebutt0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Eh, I'm into that personally.

[–]Jaeger__850 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Always exceptions to the rule.

[–]Daffan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, that's why people work arms the most because it's ez results and best return on investment.

[–]reluctantly_red2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

be(ing) strong works like a charm

Research has proven that women are very good judges of who is strong and who is not. Women are almost universally attracted to the physically strongest men. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/love-sex/women-stronger-men-attraction-looks-muscles-weak-study-dating-a8105976.html

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I love that paper. "This is the golden age of the Alpha male." - MattyAnon.

What many red dudes don't get about that paper is exactly how discerning women are.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A big part of strength is how many motor units you can recruit

Most people are not using all the fibers in their muscle because they don't have as good of a mind-muscles connection which comes with practice that powerlifters do

This is the explanation behind "retard strength"

But there is no way for you to know who can recruit muscle fibers better just by looking at them visually. It doesn't make your muscles look any different

[–]sexfarming4 points5 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

Lifting to be strong makes you big though, and there are limits to strength while you are small, hence why there are weight classes in arm wrestling and other strength sports.

[–]CaptDeadlift3 points4 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

Not really.

Semi pro powerlifter here and powerlifters will be always smaller framed compared to BB focused dudes of the same height and weight unless they go on the juice 💉💉.

Weight classes are because mass=strength no other reason.

I am somewhat big while also defined (yeah I am no natty) but when I was a natural I had broad shoulders since I got dem genetics but was still smaller than my uni mate who is a dedicated bodybuilder (natural).

[–]sexykavu2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

a lot of powerlifters are also fat and dont even look like they lift at all. You can't seriously tell me that powerlifters often have the 'ideal physique'

[–]CaptDeadlift1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Only the heavy weight classes. Talking 95kg+ since that's where the "big lifts happen" and those are the main highlights.

I am competing at 82kg in a lower class and also am 1.75m very lean rn and most of the other competitors in my class or lower look good unless they are manlets.

I am quite low on the bf (10%atm and plan to get to 9% by the end of summer) but there is also the fact that I use PEDs for recovery.

Even when I was a full blown natural during my summer days I was lean at a 11-13% bf but smaller frame.

Competitive BB body is the ugliest sheit ever. Period.

A lean focused BB is what I would say is the epitome of physical attractiveness.

[–]sexykavu0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

I guess my only argument is that most guys that have the builds were speaking of are engaging in hyper routines. Id say teh vast majority of lifters in most gyms are doing hyper routines, and that results in the physique being discussed. Strenght routines are not even close to as popular and I don't get why people are acting like they are or that they result in that body type for most

[–]CaptDeadlift2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Depends a lot on the type of gym but I agree. Strength focused people are rare compared to the bro culture at gyms where everyday is armday and chestday.

Though if you are at the appropriate weight then a strength program will form your frame very well but everyone will have imbalances (my legs are huge , mostly quads) no matter the program you run.

[–]sexykavu1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I dont really fault people for wanting to do hyper because it often gets the desired body at teh fastest rate. Strength programs often dont get the aesthetic people want. Call it 'bro culture' but it's what most people end up doing

[–]CaptDeadlift0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Getting big is all nutrition and how you cycle macros.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I feel you on naturally big quads

Jeans are a bitch for me and I have to sew them to get them to taper so they look like they fit better

[–]CaptDeadlift0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Same and that's why I prefer to wear stretch material.

Hey at least my SO loves to sexually assault my butt .

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Semi pro powerlifter here and powerlifters will be always smaller framed compared to BB focused dudes of the same height and weight unless they go on the juice

I am both proud and embarrassed of my numbers. For reps (at 46 y/o and 170#'s, fuck PR's) I hit 95/135/225 OHP/squat/DL (all under a free barbell, ass to grass, blah blah) which is trivial, totally trivial....until I look around at my competition.

[–]CaptDeadlift2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Depends on your previous condition and lifting experience.

If you're a total newbie then those numbers are good for your age.

Don't do high volume programs since it will fuck your joints really bad in the long run.

I would like to keep DL ing 7 plates until I die but I know that my days are numbered.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Are 5 day PPL programs too high volume? I am doing "Coolcicada's PPL" off of bodybuilding.com

Like push on Monday, pull on Tuesday, legs on Wednesday, push on Thursday, pull on Friday, and rest Saturday & Sunday

I have been doing this recently for hypertrophy and want to continue doing it since I hear a lot of good stuff about it

I always thought really heavy lifts or extremely high volume like manual labor would fuck up your joints? But your saying high volume is bad for joints, and high volume is the best way of building muscle. How would low volume but heavy lifts not be bad for your joints?

[–]CaptDeadlift1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

PPL is a great program and loved it as well when ran it for 12 weeks.

When I said that high volume is bad I meant programs where you run lots of sets with 70%+ for reps. (For example nSuns 531)

Ran that program for 3 weeks and by week 3 I was feeling like dying since nSuns 531 is mostly a beginner-intermediate program with high volume and rep scheme so if you pair that with my 80% of 1rm it will result only trouble.

Also low volume but extremely high weight is equally as bad(every sport has it's downsides).

If you are a guy that wants just to get in shape and doesn't care about any of the competitive side then it's great.

One more reason to consume shark cartilage to prevent joint issues as much as you can.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't care about competing. I lift for me... and the hoes, just being honest. I play sports for fun and sometimes do local competitions but nothing crazy

I am looking for a program I could do for the rest of my life. Something that let's me build the most muscle with the least long term damage to joints and other structures

I care about health first, looks are secondary, but I do want to maximize looks as much possible

Is PPL suitable for decades and decades or will it cause overuse injuries by the time I'm 50? I'm 22 right now

[–]CaptDeadlift1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah PPL is great for that and from PPL I always liked the 4 day split

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Been at it about a year. Low volume, strength is king.

A bit of running, not a little grappling and dancing.

Take care, man.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't do high volume programs since it will fuck your joints really bad in the long run.

+1

1X5 DL with 2 warm up sets, finished by as many dead rows as I can do....followed by 3X5 chin-ups and 15 facepulls. That's day 1. 3X5 OHP, 3X5 squat, 15 facepulls. That's day 2. Rinse and repeat. I deload savagely, on even a hint of bad form. This is a long game!

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Lifting to be strong

Sorry but there's really just lifting. You're genetics (and any steroids you may take) dictate how big and/or strong you become.

[–]sexfarming0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean, you can reach a limit, which typically means you need to get heavier, which means to eat more.

[–]reluctantly_red2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sure if you want to be a perma-bulked fat ass. For guys who don't have the bone structure to support/grow large muscles staying lean is the way to go. Obviously this means eating less not more.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The advantage of being small is that caloric needs are lower so my grocery bill is smaller. $30 a week on food+whey bought in bulk to save money, poverty college life

[–]qwertyuiop111222Purple Pill Masticator2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Which is why lifting to be "big" is stupid, but lifting to be strong works like a charm.

And how does an onlooker know the difference?

[–]tia-now-1 points0 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Lifting to be strong produces relatively small but well defined muscles. This makes you look good in a shirt, which is the only way most women will see you. It also gives you an understated confidence because you know you look good but you’re not projecting your image across the room. Just like with cologne, if people are aware of it from very far away, you’re probably doing it wrong.

EDIT: I should add that these results are dependent on lifting to be strong but within the strength requirements of real life. If you keep pushing to get as strong as possibly can, you end up with the kind of large, dense muscles people seem to only get in prison. Definitely makes you someone not to be messed with, but you get diminishing returns on the attractiveness to the average woman.

[–]sexykavu7 points8 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

this is complete bollocks. Hypertrophy is the best form of lifting if you want to look good in a shirt, and id hardly call that lifting to be 'strong'. Do any of you fucking work out?

some of the strongest people in my gym either look like they dont lift or they're fat as fuck, while the hyper boys have aesthetic bodies. This can vary on genetics, but at the end of the day, strength training is not what leads to that type of physique for most people

[–]tia-now-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Well to be fair we were talking about what’s attractive to women, weren’t we? I know there are women who find huge muscles attractive and to them I suppose those guys look better in a shirt. From what I’ve seen and heard, the average woman is more responsive to the kind of build that comes from training for functional strength rather than hypertrophy.

Edit: And again the emphasis is on functional strength. Athletes. Not the guys who train to launch telephone poles or hurl kegs.

[–]sexykavu5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

you're engaging in this straw man shit where im talking about HUGE guys, when im not. Most guys with the build you speak of are doing hyper workouts. Ive been working out in the gym my entire life, and its not the strength programs that are the most popular.

[–]tia-now-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Hold on, it’s not a straw man. If you’re not talking about huge muscles then I honestly misunderstood you. We probably are talking about a similar body type but I achieved it after a couple of years of 5x5 strength training that I purposely didn’t keep pushing (increasing weight) once I was happy with how I looked and felt. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are other ways to achieve those aesthetic results. I do work out but it’s never been anything I’ve exhaustively studied.

[–]sexykavu4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

a lot of people do 5x5 and dont get that much in terms of aesthetic. It comes down to genetics. Generally, a hypertrophy routine will get you aesthetic results (athletic build or bigger) in a shorter period of time than 5x5; for some, 5x5 will not produce aesthetic results AT ALL.

Strength programs are not infamous for the desired physique. Furthermore, to hit a lot of the muslces that pop to women, hypertrophy is often needed

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good callout on 5x5. People see it and think they’ll look good after, they won’t

But you can easily use it with other routines to look better, or use it for a solid base

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah there isn't enough emphasis on lats or traps or shoulders which you want to hit to get a thick back and accentuate the upside down triangle

[–]Ladyofblades0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What would you recommend for someone looking for lean definition/getting a lot more cut without a lot of bulk?

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bull shit

Muscles are dense, fat is squishy. Low fat is what you want for that hard look

My brother has as much fat an anorexic model, he has a very hard body and you can feel his tiny muscles that are very very firm and dense looking

I got a lot more fat and I'm squishier

My brother has never stepped inside a weight room not has he ever done manual labor

I become hard when I drop the fat and get squishy again when I start eating a lot. I don't change my routine, just my diet where I reduce calories by reducing carbohydrates.

I'd stay low body fat, but I have a HUGE appetite and can't feel full unless I'm pigging out

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

how does an onlooker know the difference?

By checking out their choice of performance enhancing drugs.

[–]SupremeMystique0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah. Most of these fat powerlifter or weightlifter types get next to no pussy, meanwhile vapid bodybuilders tend to do very well with girls.

[–]Jamar14 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Wrong. Women dont give a damn about how much you can lift. They only care about what they can see. As long as a man looks good, she will be attracted to him regardless of what his one rep max is.

Also being big is very attractive to women because being big conveys strength, security, good forcefull sex, etc. A skinny dude that can lift the same weight as a big dude will not have the same sexual opportunity because he doesnt have the LOOKS of being big.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You have been on Reddit for 7 months and have 1 karma point, from the steriods subreddit.

Excuse me while I ignore you.

[–]SupremeMystique5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

OMG. It's just hilarious how men are always the bad guys, even when it comes to stupid superficial preferences.

What about height? Obviously, height isn't a bodypart but women reduce men to that one trait. So much so that if you're not tall enough, it's a dealbreaker.

It's always bullshit ways of justifying womens superficial behaviour and attacking men for theirs.

I actually don't look at it as body parts even when being attracted to a woman. To me, it's still the balance of everything. For me, big tits on an anorexic girl just look weird. So it's not like one body part makes men want to have sex with women either.

[–]Jamar142 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

they do not look at a broad pair of shoulders and think hmm want to bang that.

Yes they do lmao. Women do love arm candy on a man. They dont just do a holistic judgment on a man. They do value single body parts just like we do. A big dick on a little man can make him attractive. But unfortunately it usually will never get to that point for a little man because she judges off of what she can see first.

[–]ight_here_we_go11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men see women as a series of disconnected body parts that they can do things to and that make them horny.

Come on, that's not how it is at all.

[–]je_kut_is_bourgeois1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There was a post on r/askmen but an FtM that transitioned that remarked upon the feeling that after a while "body parts" became attractive in a vacuum on their own which was apparently a completely new feeling.

I personally can't say I ever found "body parts" attractive on its own like that; the entire picture is or it isn't and it has to fit together.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men simply have a good imagination that draws missing pieces of a female body. If he evaluates the visible part of the body as X/10 attractiveness, the brain will draw other parts as X/10.

[–]loke2dabrainonthexans ☠0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How do you explain hotguysfuck?

[–]PrehistoricPrincessNothing is sexier than mutual empathy and respect-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

THIS.

[–]findingfemininitysend birb memes53 points54 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

Umm women definitely care about men's bodies and will check out attractive guys. You probably just don't notice it because you're a man. We also don't check out men quite as much as men do women since we're generally less visual.

[–]celincelinNeeds to be taught not to rape12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

less visual

There’s a simpler explanation—higher standards and lower testosterone, plus some culture. All humans are mostly visual, since vision is our primary source of information. Women stare like mad creeps when they feel like it.

[–]reluctantly_red5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women stare like mad creeps when they feel like it

Especially young women and cougars on the prowl.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You probably just don't notice it because you're a man.

Honestly.....this has been hard to deal with. I have followed TRP rules and have been lifting like my life depends on it, and am getting way more attention than ever.

It's really strange, and I'm not used to it....but FFS, I'm not complaining.

[–]reluctantly_red2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You probably just don't notice it because you're a man.

I notice most of the time. At a club or social event a guy has to if he wants to score. Hitting on a woman who hasn't checked you out is a waste of time.

[–]AccomplishedCamel9 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

Incorrect. Women are even more visual than men. The entire female-to-male sexual attraction depends on the guy's facial bone structure, facial harmony and height.

Men have preferences, women have requirements.

Stop spreading the bullshit that women are less visual than men; they are more visual than men.

[–]BlindingTwilight 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

You are totally wrong. Wake up to yourself. Have a look at magazine shelves, do you see pictures of barely clothed men? Both men and women prefer to look at women

[–]AccomplishedCamel9 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes of course I do, on the cover of erotic novels made exclusively for females. It's always a 6ft+, ripped, shredded handsome Chad with a GQ-like face

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Novels. Not porn magazines

[–]Ladyofblades2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Look at Instagram

[–]Logical_Service 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

So if you are an attractive guy if fair to assume women check you out? How frequently?

Also what do you mean by "attractive "? Super hot guys from Hollywood or regular guys who are cute?

I personally have been told that I am good looking. I like how I look. Hard to believe find me physically attractive though.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So if you are an attractive guy if fair to assume women check you out? How frequently?

Attractive but not extraordinary guys get checked out fairly frequently -- but not by every woman. When I went to a club when I was young (early 20s) I'd usually get checked out by at least one or two women (usually the short chubby ones).

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

What do you even look at? And are you more appraising them or does it just feel good to look at them?

[–]findingfemininitysend birb memes17 points18 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Personally I tend to look at chest, shoulders, hands and ass.

And we look for the same reasons men do--its sexually attractive.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

you can shlick off just to some nice hands???

[–]findingfemininitysend birb memes18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Only if they're my partners ;)

But on a more serious note, no. This goes back to what another commenter said about men looking at parts vs women looking at the whole. The body parts I listed are what I notice the most but when it comes being physically attracted to a guy I take in his appearance as a whole.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hm. Men can jerk at only a 20% of female. I mean, just a butt pic from behind showing a bit of legs and a bit of waist can be arousing.

That said, men just assume everything else is comparably attractive. And often are wrong. Yet, until they see it... imagination.

[–]derpina3213 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I don't really notice random men's body parts ever, sexual attraction usually stems from something else non-physical at first for me. Then when someone's my boyfriend, I get turned on by their body parts like their forearms and hands.

[–]SykoSarah13 points14 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

-_- women like men's butts. We also check out musculature and whatnot. It's only appraisal-like when actively looking for a BF, though, otherwise it's more like admiring artwork.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

theyre so small though. how many of them do you even see when the guy isn't naked?

[–]frogsgoribbit73722 points23 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You're obviously a man because women absolutely appreciate a nice ass in jeans.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What is a nice man ass? Big, round, muscular, fat, lean?

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

women absolutely appreciate a nice ass in jeans

One of the many downsides of getting old for guys is that most lose this. My ass is flat AF now.

[–]SykoSarah3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

XD just because it has a different shape from a woman's ass doesn't mean it can't be appreciated. A man's ass may generally be more subtle, but that doesn't mean it ain't a part of the male body women find attractive.

Also, I think women are more generalist than men are. If a woman has a nice face, tits, and ass, she will be attractive to nearly any man. However, aside from ass and general musculature, the parts of the male body a woman likes to check out are rather variable. I see women talking about attractive shoulders, wrists, hands, but I've never cared about any of those body parts personally. I actually care most about the torso, which, yeah, most of the time guys keep covered. But during hot summer days, guys often take their shirts off ;)

My fiance has a most excellent torso, which has some muscle definition yet, thanks to his body type, is deceptively squishy and great for cuddling.

[–]DebatePonyLet's ride!1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

theyre so small though

Only if they skip leg/lower body day.

[–]Monkey_Jerk1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

We also don't check out men quite as much as men do women since we view most men as below average/ugly.

This.

[–]KittyHotNose5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only place this quote appeared is from you, the original spoke of women not being as visual.

[–]loke2dabrainonthexans ☠4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Could this partly explain why hotguysf*ck is such a rapidly growing adult site?

[–]sexfarming0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have an intuition that men and women pretty much feel attraction the same, but have different ways to describe it.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Theres a lot of cryptotranny ideation in this post

[–]Texastentialismshe's got a tattoo and two pet snakes5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My thoughts exactly

[–]oneprettycoolcat10 points11 points  (42 children) | Copy Link

Wrong. Women love some male bodies like men love almost all female bodies. Spend some time around legitimately attractive men if you don't believe women find some male bodies attractive. The thing is those men are generally on steroids and blessed by genetics.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (41 children) | Copy Link

What's the male equivalent of boobs, for a man who doesn't work out?

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband7 points8 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

What's the male equivalent of boobs, for a man who doesn't work out?

Hands are important as are shoulders and arms. Working out always helps.

[–]trx600 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

God damn i hate having small hands. One of the few attractive things guys get by default and i get fucked out of it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

One of the few attractive things guys get by default and i get fucked out of it.

Hands don't have muscles. Forearms are slow twitch muscles, and it takes forever to grow them. That's why it's an honest signal.

If you're deformed on that.....bummer.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hands don't have muscles. Forearms are slow twitch muscles, and it takes forever to grow them. That's why it's an honest signal.

Women like it when they can see a veins and tendons in a guys forearms and hands.

[–]UTC240 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You should masterbate more. More blood flow to both body parts and hence bigger sizes.

[–]KV-n6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hands are important as are shoulders and arms.

And people make fun of incels for saying they are wristcels

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

For a million reasons that have nothing to do with their wrists.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

lmao yeah my hands are just as good as boobs

[–]-OpportunityCostI don't care about your problems6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My hands have calluses from lifting and I've had lots of girls say they love my rough hands lol.

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband8 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Man a good pair of masculine veiny hands can stop me in my tracks. Of course it's not the same as boobs, because women aren't men, and men are never going to see "bad boobs" the same way women see bad hands. But in terms of a physical attraction trigger, yeah, hands.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

But in terms of a physical attraction trigger, yeah, hands.

Wish I'd have read this before my last comment....thanks for this, so I'll leave you with this: overall strength measured by grip strength describes 70% of male attractiveness.

edit: words

[–]drenchjovialdepth7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Here’s the real headline: ESTIMATED ratings of UPPER-BODY strength determined about 70% of male BODILY attractiveness.

Your statement was so jarring I had to read the entire paper.

You changed “estimated” to “strength measured,” you changed “upper-body” to “grip strength,” and you dropped “bodily” from “bodily attractiveness.” Why?

And why did you cite a completely different paper, one exclusively about grip strength, in the same sentence? Especially when it costs $35.95 to actually read the paper, which is something some of us do around here thank goodness.

Edit: don’t downvote the truth

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Your statement was so jarring I had to read the entire paper.

That's freaking awesome!

I'd never suggest paying, my bad. HMU for clarification.

[–]drenchjovialdepth1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well I appreciate you posting that paper as grip strength has been a point of focus for me the past couple years (and I’ve seen major forearm gains using copper baoding balls lol)

When I first heard about - supposedly the average modern man has weaker grip strength than his father - concerning

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's partly tools. Consider air compressors and impact wrenches.

In general, it is very concerning.

[–]Ohms2North1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Apparently, if you email the author directly they are usually happy to email you a copy of their paper for free because they get none of the dollars anyway and are just happy that someone is reading their work

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Edit: don’t downvote the truth

I don't downvote! And I was being sloppy, I was already drinking and getting set to go listen to jazz & dance!

[–]katymarxPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And weak grip creates a host of other genetically unattractive issues, interesting article, thanks!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Hands are important as are shoulders and arms.

Interesting you say hands. I hold that forearms and shoulders are way more important than upper arms (biceps/triceps). Thoughts?

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Interesting you say hands. I hold that forearms and shoulders are way more important than upper arms (biceps/triceps). Thoughts?

Shoulder to waist ratio is most important (I left it out because, obviously), but shirt on or off doesn't really matter to me past a certain point, as in the musculature of it is nice but not amazing. Good musculature on hands and forearms in particular I find much more attractive than upper arms/shoulders. I have a feeling I didn't explain that well at all though lol...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How about chest to waist ratio as well? In today’s society a ton of men have guts that stick out past their chest or are just flat chested. A big chest and narrow waist gives you a super hero look almost

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How about chest to waist ratio as well? In today’s society a ton of men have guts that stick out past their chest or are just flat chested. A big chest and narrow waist gives you a super hero look almost

That doesn't really matter. I'm on the dadbod train so a guys belly looks fine if it sticks out past his chest. As long as it's out but not wide if that makes sense.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good musculature on hands and forearms in particular I find much more attractive than upper arms/shoulders. I have a feeling I didn't explain that well at all though lol...

User name checks out!

Thanks for the response, it pretty much covers my other question to you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually, you're cool, let me say one other thing....upper arm workouts are mostly useless for athletes & laborers. Ever wonder why Popeye had thick forearms?

[–]-OpportunityCostI don't care about your problems1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Having broad, defined shoulders is about the best thing a man can have.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hands and forearms go together. I've never seen a guy with strong hands who didn't also have good forearms.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hands and forearms go together. I've never seen a guy with strong hands who didn't also have good forearms.

Hands don't have muscles. It's all bone an tendon. Strong hands is strong forearms.

Otherwise, I'm totally convinced that skipping arm and chest day hasn't hurt at all. Squat/DL/OHP/chin-ups is all I do, and I argue all that's needed (plus face-pulls)

[–]HB32342 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

If a man does not work out, nothing on him is par to the attractiveness of boobs. Breasts do a lot for the survival of your offspring. An unfit male does very little for the survival of your offspring and may even be an impediment.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

A male with a top tier face doesn’t have to work out, can do thin game. Can even do chubby game

[–]reluctantly_red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only very young guys can use a cute face to get way with with being wimpy or fat.

[–]UTC240 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Give an example of top tier face

[–]HB32340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you have an example of such a man? This seems it may be possible for the 10/10 face but I can't think of any such celebrities.

[–]katymarxPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice face, great hair, or tall and naturally lean w broad shoulders? For a man that doesn’t work out they have to have something naturally attractive.

[–]Cissnowflake1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Height

[–]Ladyofblades0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A tall lean physique/frame, maybe v taper, long muscled legs, lean muscled arms etc

[–]Female_urinary_mazeWOMEN LIKE SEX.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ass. It can be built in the gym, but just being relatively active is usually good enough. If you want something as attractive as boobs without being physically active at all I don't know what to tell yah.

[–]oneprettycoolcat-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

There are no men who don't work out but who are also sexually attractive to women.

[–]frogsgoribbit7376 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I find my husband attractive sexually and he doesn't work out anymore. He was more attractive when he did and I would love if he started again, but there are things other than muscles that attract women.

[–]reluctantly_red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

but there are things other than muscles that attract women

$ure there are -- lot$ of thing$.

[–]ThisIsJustATr1buteHas what plants crave4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s a modern thing

Skinny lanky guys have always been hot

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ehhh, I think they're just less sexy. They're rare, but there definitely are non-muscular men on those porn-for-women subreddits

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I like very tall men with working class builds- muscle from making/building things for years, higher body fat % and big, calloused hands. Variations on this look have gotten more popular the last few years. People were freaking out about Winston Duke’s thick thighs in Us and now Hopper from Stranger Things.

My husband has this build. I stare at the pictures I have taken of him daily- specifically his forearms, wrists and hands. Drunk people ask to touch his beard. I feel like I and others do like male bodies but it’s just different than being inside a male brain looking at women?

[–]ThisIsJustATr1buteHas what plants crave1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hop ❤️

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

GOOD comment 10/10

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like very tall men with working class builds- muscle from making/building things for years, higher body fat % and big, calloused hands.

I find it really ironic that physically I'm your type.

[–]Emervila21 points22 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Women don't care very much about men's bodies

In what planet thou? they do care, on tinder the choose only 4.5% of the best looking for instance. They are just not so loudy as men are to express it.

There is SO MUCH sexy clothing for women. Leggings, booty shorts, crop-tops, cleavage... even if they decide not to wear a bra, and everyone can basically see their nipples, it's fine.

Women draw attention to them that's why they have these clothes you describe. Men hunt and provide attention more than the attention they receive. There are attention whores but not attention Chads.

I believe this has to be with the idea on female body. Female body is presented as delicate and more aesthetically desirable since looks like more fragile than male body.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

In what planet thou?

No shit.

As the owner of a male body, I can tell you straight that I crossed some mythic boundary of v-taper & bodyfat and suddenly, women started treated me entirely different.....and I'm in my 40's, I've never had this kind of attention in my life.

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hell I'm fat as shit and like 6-8 months of lifting and gym attendance at least game me decent shoulders and arms. I'm getting checked out and even approached more now.

I've seen men more willing to date down in attractiveness than women, assuming they're equal in all other respects.

[–]BaronIncognito0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Any quick anecdotes? Love to hear specifics.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sitting at the pool.....I live across from a university, and as I was reading the Tyranny of Guilt I looked up and we locked eyes hardcore.....who knows if she'd prefer to be in my bed, but I'm a coward for not pushing my case. These boys are just that....boys. Around 10% of younger women are open to being properl[y railed by an older guy.....that's at least 2,000 women at the local school, tack on 20,000 more at least when the other nearby campus is included

[–]sexykavu4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Anyone that has gone from fat/out of shape to fit knows that this is fucking bullshit. You don't even need to do this to know - just observe how women act around muscular and aesthetic guys. Just because it's not impossible to shoot above your weight class doesn't mean that looks don't matter

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Women draw attention to them that's why they have these clothes you describe. Men hunt and provide attention more than the attention they receive.

So then, men make up for it by being the reason why women are sexy?

[–]Emervila-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

beauty or being sexy is a social quality-construction with bio base. A women dressed in the sexiest clothes in a desert island means nothing and is actually not sexy if there's nobody to appreciate it.

It's not just men but women as well as they compete for being sexier than others among themselves. You see little girls pageants more oftenly every day from very young ages but you don't see boys doing the same and even if you, by any chance, find male pageants they are way different.

Men are not the reason but part of the frame over which sexiness is built.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

that explains nothing but ok

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not just men but women as well as they compete for being sexier than others among themselves.

This is the difference between powerlifting and bodybuilding.

You powerlift to be strong.

You bodybuild to impress bros.

[–]KazROFL0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In what planet thou? they do care, on tinder the choose only 4.5% of the best looking for instance. They are just not so loudy as men are to express it.

That's more about status and validation rather than raw sexual attraction

[–]Cissnowflake24 points25 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women not caring about men’s bodies would explain why men of all body types do so well on online dating.

Oh wait, women have incredibly high standards for men’s bodies.

Men will fuck anything

[–]HenryZusa3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men doing well in online dating? In which planet?!

[–]binkerfluid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

they were being sarcastic

[–]PrehistoricPrincessNothing is sexier than mutual empathy and respect8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A lot of other commenters have already pointed this out, but men tend to look at women as a series of disjointed parts, and women look at men as a whole.

The best way I can put it is as such:

You're looking at women as though they're a 5-course banquet in which each dish is served separately and can be savored and appreciated separately.

Women look at men as the sum of all of their... ingredients. A broth composed of several different meats, spices, what-have-you. Everything has to be enjoyed in unison. Too few/low quality ingredients, and the entire broth is going in the trash. But if you toss in a few delectable ingredients (I don't know--handsome face, nice smile, abs, biceps, whatever), it compensates for the rest and all you really notice is the overall taste.

[–]4point5billion451 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Love this analogy!

[–]Orange_PaisleyOrange pill is best pill4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men’s bodies can be very hot, though. Abs, a nice chest, muscular shoulders, an ass that looks great in a well fitting pair of jeans, all add to a man’s overall attractiveness.

[–]NewVerses4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I will admire a good pair of arms (my own definition of good - and hey those you can show off!) and will stop on my tracks for a beautiful face. This doesn't mean I would like to fuck them though - just that I find them aesthetically appealing.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

diet and sedentary life has fucked everything up, men in prehistoric days were fairly muscular (not bodybuilder levels but like a swimmer or athlete) and almost no body fat cuz of persistence hunting and jogging/running for hours every single day + literal paleo diet 24/7

men had muscles that POP and women have an eye for that because it wouldve meant "this guy hunts"

99% of men dont have that pop anymore because of computers and high fructose corn syrup

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This isn't really the case. We have lots of hunter-gatherer groups now and groups that make or made their living off the land. Most of the hyper muscular types and the women in top tier shape were islanders who were swimming for a seafood diet. The kind of plains dwelling hunter gatherers we see in Africa where humans evolved now have some definition, but compare these guys to these guys.

Yeah they're all visually impressive by comparison to a sedentary first worlder, even one who isn't medically overweight, but the ones living closest to their ancestors don't really have a POP.

[–]INCELMAN2000-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are just making shit up

[–]ontherailstoday2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

>What compensates for this, if anything?

Why do you feel there needs to be a compensation? I think you're assuming some sort of balance or fairness in the universe that the universe does not actually feel the need to provide. This assumption of yours probably is also attached to the idea that some sort of set point is the "natural" and "normal" thing and that set point is always going to be fair and compensate people.

Men and women have at various times dressed more or less in an adorned manner than they do now in western culture. Men and women have at various times and places dressed more or less in a revealing manner than they do now.

It is reasonable to ask "why do women and men do certain things in certain cultures at certain times do they get anything from this?" but asking "what compensates for this" assumes something about humans and human society that may mislead you in your attempts to understand the situation. You're asking a question that contains a bias within it towards accepting only certain sorts of answer.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

at what time, and in what culture, did men dress sexy by showing off their body?

[–]ontherailstoday1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In certain islamic cultures they wear tight clothes while women must wear pretty much tents. The man in a tight pair of jeans and a tight fitted shirt is pretty standard in some places.

Also to be blunt, there's strip clubs now that cater to heterosexual women.

[–]AwkwardHolocaustPun2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a really dumb post, OP, of course women are attracted to the male physique

[–]iLiveInAHologram2 points3 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Responding to the title alone, this is absolutely untrue. I love the male body and definitely ogle men...but probably not as often as men stare at women. I look at his shoulders, butt, chest,arms, legs, face, hands, hair, jawline, bulge, height, the way his body moves, etc. And I loooove it. Men are sexy as hell and I love their bodies. Way more then I ever could with women. Hence, I am straight.

[–]Logical_Service 1 points [recovered]  (20 children) | Copy Link

What if you are a regular cute, good looking guy? Do women check those guys out? I feel what you say is true for super hot Hollywood type of guys. On Tinder women like 4.5% of the profiles.

[–]Boobear30 points1 point  (19 children) | Copy Link

What’s an example of a regular cute good looking guy lmao

[–]Logical_Service 1 points [recovered]  (18 children) | Copy Link

Someone who is cute is good looking not a model or something

[–]Boobear30 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy Link

I still don’t know want exactly you’re picturing. But I think most women actually prefer men who look like that. A lot of male models look kind of girly which is a turn off. Unless you’re into very “pretty” and manicured men

[–]Logical_Service 1 points [recovered]  (16 children) | Copy Link

I mean not a guy like henry cavill or jason momoa but a dave franco, Tom Holland or one of the jonas Bros.

[–]iLiveInAHologram1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

All of those are ‘hot guys’ and celebs. Just average guys you see at university, at the gym, at the beach, at stores, out hiking, doing yard work, walking the dog, at a bbq, at a restaurant, etc. Normal and average guys are completely attractive. I’m a practical girl. Celebs are eye candy and/or entertaining, normal guys are the ones I want to date and spend time with.

[–]Logical_Service 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Normal guys are not very attractive to be honest. Specially on Tinder, clubs and the hook up culture in general. Sure they get into relationships and all of that but i dont think they are particularly attractive. Have you seeing Tinder stats? men swipe right 60 percent of the time and women 4.5.

[–]iLiveInAHologram0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

If I may ask, what’s your gender and sexuality? I find normal guys attractive and I’m a straight woman. But I have to stop and ogle them a bit. Idk I feel like men notice women’s subjective attractiveness more often and quicker than women notice men in that sense. And I think that gives off the vibe that men aren’t attractive. We just are busy with other things and have to stop and think about how cute that guy is. That doesn’t mean he isn’t attractive.

To put it more simply men prioritize checking out women and while women have other priorities, but DO check out men and normal men at that. I think we’re controlled by our hormones is what it is.

[–]Logical_Service 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am a heterosexual guy.

Well, when most guys never receive compliments, positive signals or anything regarding their appearence, when they try to approach girls way more often than not they get rejected and when they go on Tinder girls only swipe right 4.5% of times...they obviously are going to asume men are not attractive unless they are super hot.

[–]Boobear30 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Yes a lot of women like those men, and if they like their personality then it adds to the physical attraction more than just some “hot” model guy who is boring

[–]Logical_Service 1 points [recovered]  (9 children) | Copy Link

Enough to be checked out and have a lot of casual sex?

[–]Boobear30 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Someone like Joe Jonas could easily get casual sex even if he wasn’t famous, as long as he had a charming personality and wasn’t boring as a rock

[–]Logical_Service 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

And is it difficult to have a charming personality?

[–]Blexit2020Red Pill Woman7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

From a purely evolutionary and scientific standpoint, it all boils down to survival of the species. For women: Wide hips, large chest, and a good adipose tissue to muscle ratio indicates health, longevity, and a higher likelihood of surviving childbirth and being able to adequately rear and nourish any offspring. It also indicates being able to more easily fight off disease.

For men: Broad shoulders, tall height, strong arms and legs are pretty much indicative of the same thing; survival. A "big strong man" is less likely to succumb to the dangers of the wild during a hunting expedition and is better equipped to bring back more resources for survival as well as protect their family from intruders and not easily fall victim to disease. Any offspring produced by both types of the above are likely to inherit the same traits that ensure their survival, also.

TL;DR: It's survival of the fittest. Literally.

[–]Logical_Service 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

What if you have all the male traits that are attractive except for height (slightly below average) but still taller than most women ? Is that attractive?

[–]Blexit2020Red Pill Woman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It depends on the woman. I know a guy that's 5'2" and has absolutely no problems attracting women. He currently has 8 or 9 kids from like 5 different women, I think. I honestly forgot the number because it's so ridiculous.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My best friend (we used to date) has a rockstar fashion about him. Typically its black button down shirts that he wears open with only his chest, and really tight skinny jeans that show off his bulge and amazing calves. Hes got this beautiful long brown hair that shines and he wears necklaces and wrist bands and they're just the cherry on top of all this SEXY. I LOVED when he would dress up for gigs or special occasions.

For me, when a guy takes a lot of pride in his appearance, thats where the sex appeal is at. You don't need a fantastic body, but show me that YOU care about how you look, and I WILL take notice.

I'm bisexual and I tend to feel the same about women. Especially women who have a tad of masculinity in their dress while still maintaining feminine aspects (example, Dallas from Below her Mouth 😍😍😍)

But man or woman, if your idea of looking nice is throwing on a T-shirt and walking out the door, I won't be looking for too long.

[–]IPostOnRTheDonaldBlackpill Man3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women care about men's height, face and frame an infinite amount. To think that women are not visual is extremely misguided.

[–]katymarxPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Someone needs to get laid! Here’s a White Claw for your thirst my friend...

[–]Marie_19861 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I normally never really cared about what a man looked like body type wise, I mean of course they had to have a good looking face but body wise I never really cared. However after meeting my current fiancé who is extremely in shape, and is my first with such an amazing body I don’t think I could ever be with someone who doesn’t take care of there body.. it’s weird lol. But I do think men are more physical creatures than women meaning it is more important to men for women to have good bodies as they don’t really care about other things (ex, career, intelligence etc..) just my opinion. I think women look more at the whole picture vs just the body

[–]SparrowInAHurricane1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I care about a man's body but you are right, the sexiest parts are usually covered up in public - the back or abs. A man's sex appeal is much more in the way he carries himself, his confidence, his smell, the light shadow. To pull it off it requires more than just one body part.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Alright, so it's the personality that makes up for it

[–]SparrowInAHurricane1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I wouldn't say personality so much as the whole package. Maybe it is because women are always multi[tasking but it is several things that have to be working together instead of just one physical thing.

[–]we-are-men-with-ven1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel like smell is a big thing for me. I don't tend to notice men on the street much, but if a hot man is nearby and I get a whiff of his manly smells - it literally gives me a physical sensation down there.

I'm a woman of simple pleasures tbh..

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women love the male form of a man they are interested in. When I'm in love with a guy I will literally zoom in on every picture of him like "aw his leg hair is so cute" "ooh look at his shoulder blades". Random male bodies do nothing for us.

[–]Cods_gift_to_reddit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women cannot take their eyes off a man who 'dresses himself up' socially.

[–]ImmortalMartial3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The bp side of this sub strives to prove they're the most delusional people on Earth with every new post that is made. Women are not attracted to men's bodies. Hey alright, please remind me what is tinder?

[–]yeetsaucepeterossRed Pill Man3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Women’s bodies are objectively more aesthetically pleasing than men’s. Look at art over the course of history. I’d say it’s an 80/20 split of the female form vs male

[–]jessicaannpin10 points11 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

That’s bc the artists were men

[–]damaskrose 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Both male and female artists are more likely to paint women.

[–]shonenhikada0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

women are narcissistic and like to focus on themselves. Men are slaves to their sexual desires.

[–]yeetsaucepeterossRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

True. But so many things in art and architecture and any visual art are modeled to resemble a woman’s body

[–]jessicaannpin5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Uhh I cant remember ever seeing a building shaped like a vulva/

[–]yeetsaucepeterossRed Pill Man6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You haven’t seen my house

[–]jessicaannpin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol

[–]DarkSiderAL1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

while I'd subjectively agree (being a straight guy myself) that women are "more aesthetically pleasing than men", the 80/20 split you mention, even if approximately correct (which I'm not even so sure of at all) wouldn't be evidence for it. The reason being: the split might just reflect the gender split among famous artists, which for the longest part of history was definitely more than 80/20 in favor of men… thus leading to the statistical split in their preferences… and their art.

[–]yeetsaucepeterossRed Pill Man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know, but even in the art community today, there is a heavier lean towards women represented in art, in terms of their sexuality. The female form is inherently more sensual than the male form.

The smoother lines and curves translate better than harsher and more rigid lines that are typically masculine.

Women paint women and men paint men too, and vice versa. I don’t think every male artist only ever painted women

[–]pnadlerlaw2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

O.o

First of all, men have never relied on women for their survival. So, in terms of the pie chart of what % of the total package is concerned with looks, for men, a SUBSTANTIAL part of the pie chart cares about looks. For women, it’s still important, but so are many other things.

Secondly, men showing off their body is a low value gesture for a man. Men historically did not derive social status and power through how physically attractive they were. So, men showing off their abs, taking shirtless selfies, etc., generally turn women off (at least externally, she’s sort of put in the position to tell others and convince herself, “eww, next, not interested in that.”).

Third, the female brain is different from the male brain. The male brain processes three dimensional space, and therefore, has extremely powerful visual perception and recall. The female brain, not so much. The female brain processes creative/abstract concepts it summarizes into emotions or feelings and stores into memory. So when looking at men, what turns women on more is how she “feels” when she observes the man more so than how he looks. If the man seems strong, powerful, high status, smooth, intelligent, confident, etc. ... “and classically handsome” (as an icing on the cake), that’s what’s attractive.

And in a way, if you think about it, it’s really the same thing for men and women. If you see a gorgeous woman with a learning disability, who can’t pick out her clothes, who is shy and nervous, who is reserved and closed off, etc., doesn’t matter how she looks, she’s unattractive. She also needs to communicate and make a man feel like she doesn’t have issues with being a woman, she’s in touch with her femininity and sexual power as a woman, she is aware that her boobs and butt is jiggling or how she looks and the effect she’s having on the man checking her out, etc. The COMBINATION of all those things is what makes both men and women sexy.

Women just need to try a little harder with their body and looks, because men don’t have a long laundry list of other wants and demands from women. So, it’s a single sport event for women, whereas for men, it’s a decathlon.

Edit: oof, looks like that struck a sensitive cord with some of the ladies and got some of them triggered.

[–]jessicaannpin4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I have 99th percentile spatial skills. I’ve scored in the 99th percentile on all 3 spatial reasoning aptitude tests I’ve taken

I don’t think you are right about how female brains work.

But only women who like casual sex are ever going to be picking guys based on physical attraction alone. If the goal is a relationship, there are many other factors that get priority.

I think when women get stuck in this relationship mindset, they just don’t sexually objectify guys based on appearance as much. If they aren’t open to the possibility of sleeping with a guy just because he’s hot, there’s not much point in noticing him.

Personally I love looking at hot men. It literally makes me happy. I got my ex to let me follow him on Instagram the other day. He thought that meant I wanted to get together, but really I just wanted to creep because he looks so good. He’s like 6’5” and cut like marble. It’s amazing. And his face is so adorable and masculine. I love strong jaws.

Women already try harder than men with their looks. Wth? Women need to try less hard. Men can try hard.

[–]insultin_crayon1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I have also scored in the 99th percentile for spatial skill and recognition. u/pnadlerlaw is talking out of his ass and clearly doesn’t have much interaction with women outside of retail and fast food interactions. Typical neckbeard.

[–]jessicaannpin1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I mean there are some average differences in spatial ability but distributions are overlapping so the effect is not as significant or dichotomous as he’s implying.

[–]insultin_crayon1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You cannot bass such abilities on gender. It MUST be based on the individual

[–]jessicaannpin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

So, nothing makes up for it, and men just have to fill that gap with their personalities?

[–]pnadlerlaw3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Is that what you understood from all that?

If women are competing in ONE EVENT ☝️ (the 500m sprint), and men are competing in TEN EVENTS (which include the 500m sprint, marathon, jump and gymnastics) ... what you understood was:

“Well, I guess speed and leg strength is totally useless for men ... and we just have to win based on our personality.” 😔

Really, dude?

[–]skipsfaster0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Excellent analogy, thank you.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

i do not understand your analogy at all

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What compensates for this, if anything?

what do you mean "compensate"?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

How are men not just ugly women?

[–]Texastentialismshe's got a tattoo and two pet snakes6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not about men being ugly, it's about women's sexuality and sexual responses not being the same as men's.

If it makes you feel better there are probably some gay guys out there who have noticed you the same way you notice women.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

women are attracted to masculinity

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

women are attracted to masculinity

must get boring around here.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women go in public and find like 1-10% of guys sexually attractive based on looks alone. Women are also visual, more visual than men when it comes to hot enough to lust over in purely physical terms.

What makes up for it is

Most want a family and dont want to be a single mother. Or they want a relationship so theyll settle for the best guy that will commit which is less than the best they can have sex with typically.

The M and S in LMS (looks money status) + personality is what makes up for pure physical attraction.

[–]jessicaannpin1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I love men’s bodies. I don’t know what the deal is with other women.

It is honestly hard to find pics of hot guys on the Internet. It is easier to have guys I know send me what I want. This is a bit strange in principle. In my opinion, there’s an unmet demand. But then maybe other women aren’t like me, and the demand just isn’t there.

My ideal type is 6’2”-6’6” and like 170-220. I like guys who are muscular but kind of wiry/lanky.

I love it when guys’ bodies feel hard. I love six pacs, pecs, biceps, etc. Men’s backs can also be super hot. I also love a nice v shape.

Oh and of course I like a nice cock. 👀

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I love men’s bodies. I don’t know what the deal is with other women.

They lie.

It is honestly hard to find pics of hot guys on the Internet.

Which is why online dating is worse than jerking off to porn.

[–]jessicaannpin1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Wait what? No. That’s why online dating is better than jerking off to porn. There are much hotter guys on apps than in porn. Lol

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I have had sex with women I had no business even looking at.

I don't doubt for a microsecond that there are way hotter guys on apps than in porn.....

Please understand the point of view of a very good looking man.

You would look at me 3 times in 100 in meat space, but 0.3 times in 100 on an app.

And I'm understating how lopsided it is.

[–]jessicaannpin2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I’m confused about what you mean. I’d look 3 times in a meat space?

I look at every guy on apps ... what?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I’m confused about what you mean. I’d look 3 times in a meat space?

Last post, it's time to cook a great burger and head out into the night.

It's hard to overstate how hard a man has to work to stay relevant in the sexual marketplace....or even the relationship marketplace.

'nuff said.

[–]jessicaannpin2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m still confused.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m still confused.

And it would be delightful to take advantage of you.

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[–]lefactorybebe2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ugh I have a new neighbor who never fails to stare at my chest for way too long. Every time.

I find myself looking at everything (duh lol) but like looking at the shape, the color, the tones, of everything. It's not sexual though, it's like an artistic thing. I do it with animals, trees, people, objects, like literally everything.

I don't think this is gendered though, if anything it's cause I'm an artist. Apparently the current theory on why people who are naturally good at drawing are good at it is cause they just kind of see the world more accurately, are better able to remember what things look like, and are then able translate that to paper.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I have an incredible memory but I have zero ability to recreate it on paper.

[–]lefactorybebe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not just about memory, in fact I'd say that's the least important piece, as a lot of art is done with a reference so the memory aspect is less important.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/19878-drawing-ability.html

I think the most important parts are the way artists see the world, and the knowledge of what lines to put down on paper. Obviously when you draw you don't put down every single thing you see (like you don't draw every individual blade of grass, every strand of hair, etc) and apparently natural artists are better able to determine which lines need to be put down.

I don't know how to describe the seeing the world more accurately way, cause obviously I've only seen it as I've seen it. Apparently it can be learned though. Like, for example, I had to take a drawing class in school last semester. The teacher was going through how to draw things, and I just found it analytical and awful. He was explaining that you have to measure everything, hold your pencil up and measure objects in relation to each other and then divide the measurements to get the proper ratios to put it on paper.

That's not how I go about drawing at all, that's terrible. It's difficult to describe, but I just look at shit and draw it. I guess all the measuring and everything goes on in the background of my brain or something, cause I don't consciously measure anything. I remember the first thing I drew in class, he was like oh so what system do you use, do you measure, do you use the grid system? And I was like nah dude I just look at it and then draw it. He didn't believe I wasn't tracing things and he forced me to sit down and draw in front of him and he sat there and watched me until he was like oh...okay.

So there's definitely something there about viewing the world differently, I just don't know how to describe it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women do love men's bodies, except I've noticed they either love very low body fat, height and wide shoulders with chiseled abs and Harry Styles/Lachowski face or older women like the Daniel Craig/Bruce Willis husky look.

I have never met any woman who wants the Arnie look

Curiously I have noticed immigrant women actually like the boyish look, even ones older than myself and that the Bruce Willis look appeals to middle aged White women.

[–]GridReXXit be like that1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Being a man sounds basic af.

I wish I could look at an attractive man walk by and viscerally “feel better” just because I saw him.

Women do hold a lot of power because damn.

[–]geyges🐇0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm passably straight, and I can appreciate chiseled body of some large dicked hunk.

What do gay women think about male bodies?

[–]praisethesun799Not actually a fag 😉2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Passably straight " "large dicked hunk"

Ummmmm .........🏳️‍🌈

[–]crackerjacks03030 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men's butts are pretty attractive if they're decent. I like em THICC

For realsies tho, a nice smile or chest or broad shoulders is just as good as a pair of tits imo. Everyone's different, I saw a comment about attractive hands somewhere and idk about you but I've never found either gender to have sexy hands haha. The last part of your post is interesting and I do agree! But I find a well fitting suit just as nice as a well fitting dress. I think at the end of the day it varies greatly from woman to woman.

[–]Arobin080 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, it sucks that women are the attractive and desirable gender. Men have to be funny and charming to earn their company.

[–]glasraen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Confidence... humor... intelligence... facial hair... the way he looks at you.... yes career/money but even the likelihood of one day having a solid career is attractive (indicated by intelligence, people skills, etc)... scent.... yeah scent is a biggggg one

putting effort into getting to know your likes and dislikes, your interests and goals in life, etc. is super cool but it can come off as creepy in the wrong circumstance if you’re not already interested in him......

[–]tramanda1210 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What do you mean by compensate?

Women do watch gay porn, yaoi exists and girls like to read fanfiction of their favourite male tv show/movie/game character all the time...

[–]-meowriah0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men have sexy parts too!! You might be checking out some girl’s butt, but me personally, I will ogle a nice pair of forearms in rolled up sleeves. Or, if I’m used to a guy being covered and then I can see some of his chest hair peeking out, I will definitely notice. I’ll also check out a guy with long or well-groomed hair. (Now that I type this, I realize I probably have some kind of fetish for men’s hair, lol.)

I think you also have keep cultural conceptions of modesty in mind and consideration and social conditioning too...

Modesty: Seems like it was pretty recently that exposing and form-fitting clothing became more mainstream, but underneath it all, we still have conceptions of associating exposure with being taboo to some extent. I think we’re one of very few species that even wears clothing - i.e. not sure if you would consider hermit crab shells clothes - but this probably also plays a large part in clothing and sexiness.

Social Conditioning: Men and women both have nipples, but lady nipples are generally considered immodest/sexualized. I can recall s post where a guy tucked his dick and posted it on some subreddit (I think it was BBW related), unknowing that it was a man, many commenters praised how sexy OP was. The point being, because it’s a lady, it magically becomes sexy.

[–]crystal_wb20F PPW0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know if I'm allowed to do this here but I personally, for myself, agree with you, mainly. To clear up, I'm straight, but I don't check out men's bodies the same way I check out another woman's body. I can't take my eyes off another woman's but, but a man's butt doesn't do that for me.

Since you mentioned it in your post, especially a guy who is super jacked doesn't physically attract me at all. They repulse me, actually. I think for me it's rather about clothing and posture. Yes, you can't dress up the way women do, but you can still wear clothes that flatter your body type and are considered well put together in your culture. Having grown up in a rural part of austria a guy couldn't wear a hotter thing than knee long Lederhosen with a checked button down shirt.

I don't think there is anything that directly compensates for men's attraction to female bodies. If I had to say something my guess would be clothing, posture and attitude.

Idk what I am trying to say with this comment and idk if this comment helps you at all and idk if the majority of women would not share the same point of view as I do. This is just personal feelings.

[–]gamer-girl-peepee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing is more attractive on a man than a great smile :)

[–]Ladyofblades0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This isn’t true. Check how many women follow male models on Instagram who post themselves shirtless almost every other photo.

[–]Boobear30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women like tallish guys with handsome faces and broad shoulders. They don’t care so much about 6 packs and giant steroid muscles. Many women also like veins and some hair on chest, arms face etc

[–]HossMcDankEdgy Centrist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right, this is why Danny Devito was hired to star in Magic Mike.

[–]MasonMan12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women mostly care about a man's height and face, most of them don't really care about a man's body type unless he's fat/obese or anorexic

[–]Next_Flow10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do women do anything similar with men?

Yes women check out men just as often as we check out women, but they are more subtle about it

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I love those big booty women whose butts jiggle as they walk. It is very fun to watch

So very true.

[–]slavicgypsygirl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men who have a clean diet, workout & are super athletic have totally AMAZING bodies :) :) :)

Nothing can ever compensate for people who don't care about how they look with me

[–]BlackPillTruthBomb0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I go crazy over East Asian men's bodies. They are smooth and soft but they still have the hard masculine body of a man and they are handsome and smell amazing. They have lovely eyes, skin, lips and hair.

Other races of men not so much and I don't find them attractive. All women have a type.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

my type has kind of died out but it’s still out there

[–]binkerfluid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I love womens bodies but face is always going to be the most important thing lookswise

[–]SayYesToEverythingHm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They care, they just hide it better

[–]RedPill-BlackLotusRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree.

Although my wife is NEVER to tired to have sex anymore and if I dont initiate, she does, this attracts more gay men then woman.

Men definitely are more visual.

[–]SexyPotteryGhost0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Emotional connection

[–]Million-SunsMarriage is obsolete0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Then I'm wondering why women aren't all lesbians by default.

[–]drsherbert2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most of them are.

[–]grand_tiremasterjust curious0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I check out men. Especially at my local gym. Eye candy galore lol. I like men who are big bodied, with an ass.

Skinny guys not so much, ew from me. No ass. No big arms, broad shoulders, big hands, strong legs? Not catching my attention. This is a nice looking man https://imgur.com/r/HotGuys/VCmjCR5

This is not very attractive.. https://imgur.com/r/HotGuys/xO27HpC

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

thicc

[–]LeftHookTKD0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]grand_tiremasterjust curious0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That is acceptable. Lean but nice.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Speak for yourself, I love my man's sexy perfect body. That gorgeous shape, that perfect hue...

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"Straight men and straight women"!!

Some real, "there ain't no room for our kind" when we are faring well with our own?? haha

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

you can always go to one of the several hundred lgbt subs if you don't like being excluded from reddit posts

[–]oftheinfinite 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women do not have raw and lustful sexual attraction to mens bodies whatsoever.

[–]drsherbert1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not true

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Outlier cases. But usually a woman has to be turned on a lot to have this lust for a man. She can't do it while observing men on a street. Not unlike men.

[–]Akashe88-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are plenty of studies for this.

Actually, height is of supreme importance for women. It's a stronger factor than status or wealth. When it comes to height, women are far more interested in a man's body than men in women's bodies.

[–]ArrantPariah-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women are primarily turned on by signs of wealth--expensive clothing, car, house, haircut, etc.

Men are mostly interested in squirting their rocks off.

[–]Boobear30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But some tiny man with a weird face won’t be sexually attractive to a woman even if he has money. You need to have at least some sex appeal even if you’re a wealthy man. If you have no sex appeal then you will end up having to be a full on sugar daddy if you want a hot chick.

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