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[–]reeearnakedchokereeeee28 points29 points  (41 children) | Copy Link

An ugly girl getting guys who want to fuck her and never speak to her again is like a man getting women who want to settle down now that they're older when he never got the time of day in college. The idea is repugnant to most women, ugly ones included.

As to the title of your post, I agree. But what're women supposed to do about it? They're mainly the ones supporting their ugly sisters. Maybe go offer your shoulder to some incel.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 11 points12 points  (37 children) | Copy Link

An ugly girl getting guys who want to fuck her and never speak to her again is like a man getting women who want to settle down now that they're older when he never got the time of day in college. The idea is repugnant to most women, ugly ones included.

Ok, so they both lose.

But what're women supposed to do about it? They're mainly the ones supporting their ugly sisters.

Bull. Reddit is mainly men and most of those threads get upvoted like crazy. Many men are sympathetic towards ugly girls.

Maybe go offer your shoulder to some incel.

I rest my case. A woman who complains is just an ugly sister but a guy who complains about being ugly is an incel.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train24 points25 points  (35 children) | Copy Link

Many men are sympathetic towards ugly girls.

I suggest you go talk to an ugly girl and get the actual take rather than what you believe to be true.

I have several friends who are very overweight and/or not conventionally attractive. The way I see them get treated by men in public is horrendous. Rudeness, slamming doors on them, nasty comments.

Lay off the oppression olympics. Unfortunately unattractive people of both genders do not get treated how they should in our society.

[–]isweartoofuckingmuch 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

I bet most of them are fat though lol

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 5 points6 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

I suggest you go talk to an ugly girl and get the actual take rather than what you believe to be true.

You keep making my case. I have to listen and empathize with the ugly girl. Not in a million years, would someone here say we need to actually listen to what short guys say. Most just assume they are "incel" and that it's their own fault.

I already see the threads where they are getting tons of sympathy here.

I have several friends who are very overweight and/or not conventionally attractive. The way I see them get treated by men in public is horrendous. Rudeness, slamming doors on them, nasty comments.

That sounds like hyperbole to me. I get called misogynist all the time and not once have I done any of those to an ugly women or even witnessed it but even if I was assume this to be true..

So what? Short guys get mistreated too. Women completely ignore me or say rude things.

Lay off the oppression olympics

Oh how convenient, you make the case that ugly women really have it worse, falsely claim that they get no empathy, ignore the double standards here... AND THEN say we should lay off the oppression olympics. You're only complaining about oppression olymipics because it doesn't suit your narrative.

Also, fat girls choose to be fat. If they don't like their life as a fat girl, they are free to change their lifestyle.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train10 points11 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

All you want to do here is invalidate any experience that doesn’t fit with your beliefs because you want to sit on the victim throne.

Carry on.

[–]Epoch789None but red if rly had to pick9 points10 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

All you want to do here is invalidate any experience that doesn’t fit with your beliefs because you want to sit on the victim throne.

a good of PPD in a nutshell. a whole lack of understanding that experiences differ.

lol @ OP's "I should get sympathy without giving it"

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

You have it ass backwards.

Why should I give sympathy to those who don't have sympathy for me?

[–]toasterchild3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

People are much more likely to empathize with you if you simply tell your story and don't make it some sort of pity competition where you go out if your way to invalidate the experiences of others. You complain about people not emphasizing with you because of your looks or because you're a man, are you sure it's not because of your attitude?

[–]MozzerDozzer 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

People are much more likely to empathize with you if you simply tell your story and don't make it some sort of pity competition where you go out if your way to invalidate the experiences of others.

And yet women turn their experience into sob stories with cries for attention and validation, EVERY SINGLE TIME. We want to have the same stuff you guys have, without you trying to silence us.

[–]toasterchild4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

An injured dog might be gentle and sad looking, people will empathize with it, or it might bite and snap at people trying to help. Both situations bad things happened to the dog but if the dog is mean it's unlikely people will stop to show caring. Tell your story firsthand about actual experiences you've had and it will get more empathy than if you generalize and trash talk those you want empathy from. It can't be that hard to understand.

Try discussing it in a way that people can relate to like how you feel withot trying to negate other's experiences.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

People are much more likely to empathize with you if you simply tell your story and don't make it some sort of pity competition where you go out if your way to invalidate the experiences of others.

BULLSHIT. Most guys who vent don't even do that and they still rain downed with criticism.

You complain about people not emphasizing with you because of your looks or because you're a man, are you sure it's not because of your attitude?

Yes I am because 1) my attitude IRL is different and I don't talk about any of this and 2) Women fuck guys who have far worse attitudes than me. The difference is they are over 6 ft.

[–]toasterchild1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not being short that is the issue, it's not women lacking empathy that is the issue, the issue is not understanding people and what motivates them. The way you assume what the problem is and attack it withot really knowing is off putting. If you want online sympathy then you have to drop your assumptions about the cause and stick to the struggles.

It's not society's lack of empathy if they simply don't tell you what you want to hear. You want to hear that it's 100 percent an issue of being short and you're screwed and that just sucks but what they tell you is that's not your real problem and it hurts to hear that. Your'e not connecting with people, it's a real skill, maybe learned maybe natural, some people have it and some don't.

You have really valid reasons to be in pain but it's gonna be hard to get anyone ro care if you don't drop all the assumptions and lashing out.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

YEah irony is lost on some

[–]ohheyhi99Conflicted Feminist Man, No Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

His point is still arguable regardless of what he does personally. A fat woman who resents short men isn’t disqualified from being correct when she says that unattractive women are treated poorly.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a nice way of cowardly exiting the argument because you have nothing to support what your saying.

[–]SkrattGoddess2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

So what? Short guys get mistreated too. Women completely ignore me or say rude things.

Boo hoo. You want folks to feel bad for you but when someone talks about what their less attractive female friends are going through it's 'so what'. Cry me a river.

Oh how convenient, you make the case that ugly women really have it worse, falsely claim that they get no empathy, ignore the double standards here... AND THEN say we should lay off the oppression olympics. You're only complaining about oppression olymipics because it doesn't suit your narrative.

Let's look at the comment.

Unfortunately unattractive people of both genders do not get treated how they should in our society.

So according to the comment you BOTH are winning gold medals in the Oppression Olympics, DO NOT WORRY. You're not getting bronze or silver. The comment is also telling you not to focus on winning gold medals.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Boo hoo. You want folks to feel bad for you but when someone talks about what their less attractive female friends are going through it's 'so what'. Cry me a river.

Lol what? You're so unaware, it's hilarious. You're making my case for me.

As soon as any short guy says anything, it's met with "cry me a river" or "boo hoo". But we don't see that with threads with unattractive women, They are usually heavily upvoted and most people there sympathisize with them.

So according to the comment you BOTH are winning gold medals in the Oppression Olympics, DO NOT WORRY. You're not getting bronze or silver. The comment is also telling you not to focus on winning gold medals.

I'm not sure if you're really worth arguing with at this point, lol.

It isn't actually an olympic event that he/she is alluding to in case you haven't realized.

[–]SkrattGoddess1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

As soon as any short guy says anything, it's met with "cry me a river" or "boo hoo".

Yeah cause you said "so what" when someone explained to you that less attractive girls get similar treatment.

It isn't actually an olympic event that he/she is alluding to in case you haven't realized.

No, in case YOU haven't realized. You're the one treating oppression like a marathon.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah cause you said "so what" when someone explained to you that less attractive girls get similar treatment.

Because I'm pointing out the double standard you knucklehead.

[–]SkrattGoddess4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

How is it a double standard if you said "so what" first? You started it xD I wouldn't have told you that if you could just accept what she said.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"so what" first?

The fact you're making this the crux of your argument speaks for itself.

It doesn't change that there is a double standard with how hypercritical people are towards unattractive men

You started it

It's confirmed, I'm arguing with a child.

[–]TheReformist94-3 points-2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Yeh. I've always been polite to ugly girls, with a thank you but no thank you, then I realised the contempt I was treated with by girls for being a 6/7 and not an 8. so now I treat ugly women like shit

[–]insultin_crayon5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You treat all ugly women like shit? Even the ones who had nothing to do with hurting your delicate feelings? How does it feel to be so sensitive and brittle that you would treat complete strangers like shit for things they did not do just because you’re ugly too? What a sad life you live.

[–]TheReformist94-2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm not ugly. I'm around 6/7. Friends and acquaintances, male and female,regardless of how they look I treat them well, Same with my female colleagues.

Ugly women I don't know, I sneer at as that's the treatment I get from women on a night out just for merely saying hi to them

[–]madcockatielAlpha Bird, Slayer of Cloaca1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you’re consistently getting sneered at for approaching women on a night out, you’re either being really weird about it or you’re definitely not a 6/7 lol. (My money’s on the former, this being reddit)

[–]insultin_crayon0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lmao dude you think too highly of yourself. No way you’re a 6/7 if women don’t want anything to do with you, even the sub 5’s

[–]TheReformist94-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I literally speak to some girls in London, say hi, they sometimes outright blank me, create excuses, act like they're not interested etc.

Then my chad mate comes along and spouts the most generic shit. The girls are suddenly interested even if they donnt make out with him.

He said it's not me as the stuff I come out with is better than his and he just has standard convos.

[–]insultin_crayon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re just further proving my point man

[–]HostileErectile-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You want equality? This is it. Lower your standards then.

A woman will always, no matter what have it much much easier than men on the dating field.

Women have no right to bitch about it.

95% of women can easily get a man who loves her and panders to her. If she can only find dudes who want to fuck her, then she should go for different men.

This options are non existent when it comes to ugly men.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train18 points19 points  (56 children) | Copy Link

So wait what do you want us to challenge?

That unattractive men get less sympathy than unattractive women?

Or your belief that unattractive women don’t suffer at all?

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 14 points15 points  (54 children) | Copy Link

That unattractive men get less sympathy than unattractive women?

Yes, more specifically the double standards. Not just sympathy, but understanding and the ability to vent about it. People are hypercritical of any short guy who says dating is hard.

Short guy: Dating is hard for me at 5'2.

Everyone else: WHAT OMG YOU INCEL I KNOW A 5'2 GUY WHO BANGS 43 GIRLS EVERY DAY, ITS BECUZ OF UR MISOGYNEE

Or your belief that unattractive women don’t suffer at all?

Everybody suffers. Unattractive women don't suffer more than unattractive men.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train7 points8 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I really think this sub just attracts people whose wiring is such that they can’t conceive that any relationship or interaction with another human being is not one way. Like that people don’t just give you empathy or kindness or friendliness when you want it when you’re not showing them empathy or kindness or friendliness. Like they literally walk in a room and stand there and go “why isn’t anyone being nice to me? People are so rude to people like me.”

Is it the high prevalence of autism?

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Like that people don’t just give you empathy or kindness or friendliness when you want it when you’re not showing them empathy or kindness or friendliness

Funny because women don't give any empathy towards short men. Yet they expect it when they are a fat slob who makes lifestyle choices.

[–]ontherailstoday6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Funny because women don't give any empathy towards short men.

That's because for low value guys "give me empathy" usually means "plz keep talking to me until I have convinced you to fuck me" No thanks.

[–]CuteTrashCan 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Who hurt you?

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Seems like you're hurt by my comment.

[–]HostileErectile-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is he wrong ? Lol. But you are actually just proving his point.

[–]HostileErectile-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, it’s really just people having a discussion about the very real double standard.

[–]justmebeingcurious9 points10 points  (37 children) | Copy Link

Ugly woman: complains about not being met with basic human decency but won’t insult men as a class.

Ugly man: complains about not getting laid, complains about OTHER men, resorts to insulting women and saying the most vile things; “women deserve rape”, “we need to make rape legal for ugly men”, etc. And not to mention they often want the most attractive woman.

Lol. I literally just read on the incel forum a post about what men would do if they got themselves a girlfriend. Multiple men said they’d be happy to have scored an attractive woman but wouldn’t be happy with an ugly woman.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT32 points33 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

You are giving women a very charitable generalization and painting men as the absolute worst. Strawman.

[–]sophii19 points10 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Go on reddit. Look at femcels and look at incels. Compare content. If you can’t see the difference, learn to read.

[–]banananutbranmuffin11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The femcels aren't actual femcels though, I've browsed that sub and many of them have been in actual relationships and have had sex. Femcels and incels are apples and oranges.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Do you realize not all ugly men are incels???? Thats my whole point

[–]sophii10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. You could have saved your breathe I already believed that.

[–]pngmafia97my type is chadcucks-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

They’re using celibacy as a litmus for the degree of ugliness. Hence the comparison between femcels and incels. It functions as a control. Just saying ugly men and women makes it too subjective.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Not all celibate men are angry incels that hate women. Not all people complaining about lack of empathy towards men are celibate either

[–]sophii12 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The lack of empathy only comes, because how can I as a woman feel empathy when Ive seen the hateful content I have. I’ve seen depictions of rape with guys cheering it on. I’ve seen women described as fuck bags, or sub human, or deserving to die. This isn’t stuff I had to dig up on IT or vice articles, I found this just by stumbling over their subs and getting entangled. I’m sure it’s there right now for anyone to see. I’ve even been private messaged with how I personally was a dirty whore who deserved to be raped.

I know not all incels are like this, but when I see dog whistles that remind me of this content, no matter how sad the story I cannot feel sympathy.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Im not saying there arent incels like that, yeah there definitely are. Im just saying that most guys talking about lack of female empathy for men are not incels or even hateful.

[–]pngmafia97my type is chadcucks0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think you missed my point? Celibacy in the context of involuntarily celibate men and women due to their ugliness.

Nothing to do with the sex lives of people complaining about lack of empathy towards men.

You’re making the argument that “Not all ugly men are incels!” Ok great, not all ugly women post in online forums for solidarity over their sexual/romantic failures. The comparison was brought up to de limit the discussion of behavior to those ugly enough to participate in such online forums.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Has nothing inherently to do with men acting like assholes. Has everything to do with men not getting the same empathy/sympathy as women regardless of how they act. Incels are just being injected into the conversation in order to handwave it away.

[–]czerdec-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, I get my dick wet pretty regular and I think that the general culture of hostility towards men makes society much shittier for no real benefit to anybody.

[–]czerdec0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Look at femcels and look at incels.

So I looked at femcels. They pick an example of a guy from the very worst possible tiny fraction of the craziest 1% and use that example in an endless series of posts entitled "Proof that men will betray your trust at every opportunity".

Are you reading femcel subreddits with your eyes closed? That could be the reason for your weird analysis.

It's pretty much as insane as very mentally ill incels, but less imaginative and way more repetitive. In terms of truth, the two groups are equally deluded.

[–]sophii13 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“men may betray you” isn’t the same as “women are sub human femoids”. the femcels keep in mind that men are HUMAN

and I know many here simply don’t believe in femcels because they are in a different situation. tbh if you can find any female run sub that talks about men the way MGTOW, incels, gamers rise up or one of the other many hateful male run pages I regularly browse does, I’ll concede immediately.

[–]SkrattGoddess6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You mean like y'all do 24/7, 365, from sunrise to sunset, about women? XD Doesn't feel good, does it?

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

WHATABOUTISM

You do have a point tho.

[–]justmebeingcurious0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Then why don’t ugly women have an incel forum for themselves? Or wish for men to be raped/battered/decapitated?

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

They do. r/trufemcels is the female "incel" forum.

They dont advocate violence because its against reddits TOS. (Same with r/braincels, the biggest male incel sub)

[–]justmebeingcurious7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I know of that sub, but there’s no actual forum outside of reddit where “femcels” advocate for violence/rape of men.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Why does there have to be? Im simply saying that you arent painting a realistic picture. You are framing it as all women who suffer from relationship problems are angels and all men who do are violent incels. The majority of men suffering with relationship problems are fine people.

[–]justmebeingcurious10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

We’re talking SPECIFICALLY about ugly woman/ugly men.

Everyone suffers from relationship problems, male or female, ugly or not.

But, in terms of social interactions, ugly women would be pushed aside and not treated with basic human decency.

Whereas ugly men, even if they don’t get into relationships, women still befriend them and talk to them. I see it a lot in university. That’s why the “friend zone” is such a ubiquity. Women will befriend them and some men would then start falling for them and get upset when women refuse being in a relationship.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You were framing it as all ugly men, yeah I think in general it might happen a lot, but not all ugly men are incels.

[–]czerdec-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are giving women a very charitable generalization and painting men as the absolute worst. Strawman.

You're also being charitable. I say she's shitting on our heads and telling us it's a hailstorm.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Ugly woman: complains about not being met with basic human decency but won’t insult men as a class.

OH please, they absolutely attack men. They don't just complain about human decency either. BTW, they have no better case for lack of decency that unattractive guys do. I'm not saying life isn't hard for unattractive women, but there is clear double standards for how much understanding men are given compared to women.

and saying the most vile things; “women deserve rape”, “we need to make rape legal for ugly men”, etc.

This is a pathetic shameless strawman. You lost all credibility with this.

[–]justmebeingcurious0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Can you give me any sources as to what unattractive women say that involves attacking men and threatening violence/rape? Because I’ve seen plenty on incel forums of men attacking women! In fact, every single post is imbued with nasty language.

And how is it strawman? It absolutely isn’t, considering unattractive men generally think about either sex or desiring to be in a relationship with an attractive/average-looking woman. They don’t say shit like, “women won’t befriend me” or “women overlook me” (in the context of friendship). They rarely, if not ever, complain about not getting to befriend women. It always has to be complaints that either involve sex/relationship.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

what unattractive women say that involves attacking men and threatening violence/rape?

This is such a skewed and biased question. Most guys who complain are not advocating for rape. Stop with that nonsense. The fact that a few 4chan trolls do it, doesn't mean there is a trend of unattractive guys advocating for rape.

It always has to be complaints that either involve sex/relationship.

No shit, it's because at least ugly woman can get sex or a relationship.

Given how you're just completely mischaracterizing guys who want to vent about being unattractive, I see know point in debating this with you.

[–]justmebeingcurious1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“A few”. Okay. And I would say there’s a trend. But I wouldn’t classify unattractive men as all toxic/problematic. As you have implicitly stated, it is just on the internet we see this.

Men having sex with unattractive women doesn’t suggest that they have it less hard. It just shows that men are only okay with them if it means they get to fuck and duck. Attractive man in a relationship with an unattractive woman is rare, though, I’d say.

And, see, you highlighting the fact that life is hard for unattractive men because they don’t get laid just suggests that their primary problem is not getting sex. Sex isn’t a requirement.

Unattractive women may get laid but they are barely met with basic human decency, which I would say is harder.

[–]MozzerDozzer 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Can you give me any sources as to what unattractive women say that involves attacking men and threatening violence/rape?

Do you have a source on that?

Source?

A source. I need a source.

Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.

No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.

You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.

Do you have a degree in that field?

A college degree? In that field?

Then your arguments are invalid.

No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.

Correlation does not equal causation.

CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.

You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.

Nope, still haven't.

I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be civil.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel like your situation is only specific with one group of ugly men, not ugly men as a whole. Lots of ugly men on IncelTears who are virgins and shit, and obviously they aren’t spewing the incel rhetoric.

[–]czerdec0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ugly woman: complains about not being met with basic human decency but won’t insult men as a class.

Ugly man: complains about not getting laid

Yeah, if that statement reflected reality, ugly men would be very unreasonable, I agree.

[–]4gotOldU-nameAvoiding Kool-Aid as Much as Possible0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

One thing that's never really discussed is what you said here:

Multiple men said they’d be happy to have scored an attractive woman but wouldn’t be happy with an ugly woman.

Everyone always speaks of the entitlement feeling that women have (which I believe to be true). But to be honest, there's a shitload of entitlement with men too.

It's just not discussed as much because because men don't form a pack of hate spewing vipers, running to defense of other men if that man is attacked online.

Edit: clarity inside the ()

[–]deep-end-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There really could be a effect-cause thing going on here. Maybe women don't lash out because they get a lot more support from society.

[–]HostileErectile-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ugly women: complains about not being treated as nice. Complains about men not smiling to them or giving them favors like they the pretty girls, they complain about not getting free drinks and feeling overlooked at bars. And complains about men just wanting to sleep with them.

Ugly men: complain about absolutely and total isolation, complains about not being touched, spoken to or viewed as a living human being for their entire lives, never kissed, never hugged. They don’t get respect by anyone and is overlooked by everything.

Being a short and unattractive male is a death sentence. Being an ugly women makes it more expensive for you to go to bars.

Cry me a fucking river. I promise you. An ugly woman trying out a day in the life of an ugly short man, would feel like a godly celebrity the moment she returned to her own body.

[–]sophii11 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

maybe being less misogynistic would help though, idk. I’m a woman and this would increase your chances of sex with me.

[–]HostileErectile1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol... shit advice.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

😂

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Never have I gotten misogyny as a complaint. You know why? Because I don't disclose my reddit views.

Also, lots of misogynistic guys get laid if they are physically attractive enough so it's really not that important.

Looks, height, social status, extroversion, lack of inhibition are more important.

[–]sophii10 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

There are always subtle signs. I’m sure there are girls willing to sleep with you, just not sure they’re the best selection. Physically maybe.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are always subtle signs.

Conjecture and speculation at best. Also, Fundamental attribituion error.

Women have never ruled me out for misogyny. That's just pure BS. Nobody knows my views on women.

The few girls who have rejected have honestly told me it's because of height and I believe them because their boyfriends and male interests were tall.

On top of all that, they weren't exactly feminists. Plenty of douchey guys who are misogynistic do well with women IF they are physically attractive.

Chalking it up to 'MIUSGHNEE" is just a lazy way of spinning this for your own personal agenda.

You could barely make a case for why I'm a misogynist, now you're suggesting that women reading my fucking mind. Ridiculous.

[–]czerdec0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Unattractive women don't suffer more than unattractive men.

Suffering depends on the individual's level of resilience. A weak man is going to suffer more than a resilient woman, because that's how resilience and its absence works.

[–]czerdec-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That unattractive men get less sympathy than unattractive women?

That sounds like the greater challenge. It's testable too. You can design an experiment to measure precisely how many expressions of sympathy and support a message from an ugly man gets compared with a gender-swapped but otherwise identical message.

So we can actually measure who's right. Which is fucking unusual for this subreddit: around here we tend to argue mostly about how many dragons can dance on the head of a dildo.

[–]sophii120 points21 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

I’ve been friends with unattractive girls, trust me, it’s not easy for them. The reason it got upvoted is because it was a well written submission, and reddit is already overflowing with unattractive men looking for sympathy. Also, it’s widely believed across reddit that all girls have it easy, so a post that challenged that well, must have resonated with a lot of people.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 9 points10 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I’ve been friends with unattractive girls, trust me, it’s not easy for them.

Play me a violin. It's not easy for guys who are 5'3 either.

The reason it got upvoted is because it was a well written submission, and reddit is already overflowing with unattractive men looking for sympathy.

Bull, there's plenty of ugly girls who vent on reddit. They get tons of upvotes.

Also, it’s widely believed across reddit that all girls have it easy, so a post that challenged that well,

I don't give a shit. My point is that there is a clear double standard.

Ugly women can vent freely and plenty of sympathy with little criticism.

Less attractive guys are immediately called incels and shamed for complaining about it.

On top of that, a lot of these fat girls have their own lifestyle choices to blame.

Also, in case you've forgotten there is an entire body positivity movement that is mainly catered toward ugly women (especially the fat ones). There's no such thing like that for men.

[–]sophii12 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s not the suffering olympics. Maybe if you recognized women as people who would be able to commiserate with her, but since you see it as an US versus THEM battle you can only feel hatred.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why am the one accused of making it an US vs THEM battle.

I could say the same about women doing it.

Your making such a shitty take here. I'm highlighting a double standard where short guys venting is hyper-criticized. That's not even me suggesting and US vs THEM battle. You're being intentionally obtuse.

[–]pelpotronic1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Who gives a shit about Reddit upvotes? The majority of people (IRL) have no understanding of what is going in life and can't process their problems, biases and emotions appropriately... It's not like Reddit is a such beacon of intelligence that people's approval on here matters and that they are somehow immune to these problems.

This "toughen up man/boys don't cry/men can take it/women are weak and need help" is probably as old as human societies, and people still think and act nowadays while being influenced by those biases. Your idea is not new and people have been noticing this forever.

Maybe go out there and create a body positivity movement for short men because there is nothing out there as you pointed out.

[–]HostileErectile3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Youre just avoiding the question now.

The absolutely baseline is that it’s much, much easier being a women on the dating field comparable to a man.

And society absolutely caters to women while looking down on men.

So yes, op is without a doubt correct.

[–]pelpotronic0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think there was a question in the main post, just a statement with which I agreed (generally).

And also said there wasn't anything particularly clever or innovative about OPs thoughts, as these have been known for years. That a few (or more) people disagree here on Reddit doesn't make something true/untrue. Also posting something on Reddit does not solve the problem in and on itself, although it is good to discuss things ofc.

[–]HostileErectile0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah, yes. Well i agree on that.

[–]HostileErectile0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh but they do have it easy. Why do you think they dont?

[–]TheMedsPeds 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

Not trying to get a bunch of sympathy but as a 4 who doesn't have a super effeminate style, and kinda crass tomboyish personality dating has been very hard for me.

I was ignored and picked on in high school, ignored in college. I got laid a few times but it was only by drunken ONS. I had a few boyfriends but they never lasted long. And the ones that did last long, first guy was abusive, second was a dead beat cheater, and third was an alcoholic who died of an OD.

I def never had a string of orbiters to choose from, got any special treatment or anything like that. This universal female experience I hear incels/RP talk about how women have it so easy and can just snap their fingers and have a man take care of them may be true for really slutty ugly girls or women who are 6+ but is very far from what I have experienced in my 15 years of being in the dating scene.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I was ignored and picked on in high school and thankfully just ignored in college. I got laid a few times but it was only by drunken ONS. I had a few boyfriends but they never lasted long. And the ones that did last long, first guy was abusive, second was a dead beat cheater, and third was an alcoholic who died of an OD.

This reads as much better than what most short or ugly guys have.

Unattractive girls can go on dating sites and get matches easily.

[–]TheMedsPedsBlue Pill Woman6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Until they meet the dude IRL don't look like the heavily filtered pic and get ghosted on.

Keep in mind though I am not ugly. I am just not hot. I am slightly below average. I am not overweight at all 105 lbs and if I cake make up on and do my hair I could probably pass as a 6. (I just don't normally do that)

So as a thin 4 this was my experience. I imagine a fat 2 would have it much much worse.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I imagine a fat 2 would have it much much worse.

A fat 2 has herself to blame.

My point about double standards still stands.

[–]Skratt 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

I got laid a few times but it was only by drunken ONS.

Nooooooooo, I just knew what he was gonna do when he saw this x(

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You could say a damn goat tried to have sex with you "

Very logical argument right here. /s

[–]katymarxPrairie Vole THOT-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Baaaaaaaaaagh!

[–]9penguin2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Tinder is casual sex, most men want it, most women don't. An ugly woman getting attention and sex from Tinder is like a beta orbiter throwing money at women for nothing. The only way for it to be worth it, is if the girl is beautiful. There's no guy who will throw their money for nothing in return for an ugly girl, so when ugly men whine about being sexually unsuccessful because of their looks it's so infuriating because there're a lot of girls, ugly, beautiful, hot, who'll worship their dick for nothing but a little money, or a little kindness and attention. This is a man's world, men created the rules, men already have all the resource they need to secure sex and a mate(s), they just need to work and put effort and there's nothing they can't do, nothing. If you still whine about 'unfairness' after getting so much advantages for being a man, you're either mentally ill or a lazy bastard who deserves nothing.

[–]MasonMan12341 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

most women don't

Most women do, but they want it only with the most desirable guys. To say women don't want casual sex is completely dishonest.

There's no guy who will throw their money for nothing in return for an ugly girl

Most guys don't throw their money at a woman for nothing in return, whether she's hot or not.

so when ugly men whine about being sexually unsuccessful because of their looks it's so infuriating because there're a lot of girls, ugly, beautiful, hot, who'll worship their dick for nothing but a little money, or a little kindness and attention.

LOL a woman only loving you for your money never leads to anything good, it'll probably lead to an unhappy relationship with a dead bedroom.

You do realize women have standards too? They're not going to jump on a dick just because a guy showed them "a little kindness and attention". Women would be jumping on a dick every other minute if that's how it worked.

This is a man's world, men created the rules, men already have all the resource they need to secure sex and a mate(s), they just need to work and put effort and there's nothing they can't do, nothing. If you still whine about 'unfairness' after getting so much advantages for being a man, you're either mentally ill or a lazy bastard who deserves nothing.

I think you're forgetting the fact that most young men aren't rich and powerful multi-millionaires and that most young men are actually living paycheck to paycheck, also we don't live in an archaic world where women are exclusively dating/marrying guys for their resources (if you actually had experience dating you would know this).

[–]9penguin0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Most women do, but they want it only with the most desirable guys. To say women don't want casual sex is completely dishonest.

That's what I was saying you halfwit. The same way male orbiters never orbit ugly women, women who want casual sex will only do casual sex with hot guy.

Most guys don't throw their money at a woman for nothing in return, whether she's hot or not.

Where have you been darling. Were you just born?

You do realize women have standards too? They're not going to jump on a dick just because a guy showed them "a little kindness and attention". Women would be jumping on a dick every other minute if that's how it worked.

I think you're forgetting the fact that most young men aren't rich and powerful multi-millionaires and that most young men are actually living paycheck to paycheck, also we don't live in an archaic world where women are exclusively dating/marrying guys for their resources (if you actually had experience dating you would know this).

You're forgetting the fact average women are overweight now. Most women are ugly by today's beauty standard. You're also forgetting the fact those women are invisible to men. Men don't care about their stories, they are not even aware they exist. At least 70% of female population are forgotten by men now, that's why all men are fighting over top 30% women which makes dating extremely difficult for them. Ugly women given up earlier than ugly men, they don't bother to complain, they know it's hopeless. If only incels lowers their standard and be kind to ugly girls, give them a chance like how women are told to give ugly men a chance, all their problem will be solved in a year, but of course nobody cares about those women. Keep blaming all women for their inability to get hot women and stay in their safe space because they're either mentally ill or lazy bastards.

[–]MasonMan12340 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

That's what I was saying you halfwit. The same way male orbiters never orbit ugly women, women who want casual sex will only do casual sex with hot guy.

You never said or implied that in your original comment.

Where have you been darling. Were you just born?

A small fringe group of guys on the internet who throw money at e-girls do not represent most guys.

You're forgetting the fact average women are overweight now. Most women are ugly by today's beauty standard. You're also forgetting the fact those women are invisible to men. Men don't care about their stories, they are not even aware they exist. At least 70% of female population are forgotten by men now, that's why all men are fighting over top 30% women which makes dating extremely difficult for them.

For a woman to be overweight it's a choice, you can always go on a diet and hit the gym, if that's what makes most women ugly(which isn't true since a shit ton of guys including myself like thick women) then there's no one to blame but women themselves for being overweight. Even then most guys are attracted to most women

https://imgur.com/gallery/xwvUV/comment/984837333

If only incels lowers their standard and be kind to ugly girls, give them a chance like how women are told to give ugly men a chance, all their problem will be solved in a year, but of course nobody cares about those women. Keep blaming all women for their inability to get hot women and stay in their safe space because they're either mentally ill or lazy bastards.

This just shows you have no idea what you're talking about, nobody cares about ugly people in general they're told to date each other and plenty of them have successful relationships. If you can't get a man that's your fault, and you have to fix your flaws. If a man can't get a woman it's his fault as well and he has to fix his flaws. The only one here who is either "mentally ill" or a "lazy bastard" is you. If you want a man take the fucking initiative and stop blaming men.

[–]9penguin0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Who said I want a man you fucking halfwit? I love my life, why would I want a man to ruin it? The point of my post is that men have no self-awareness about how much dating and beauty standard has changed and their lack of self awareness is their own downfall.

Who cares if being overweight is a choice or not, the fact remains that more than half women today are overweight. A man asking for a thin woman today is not asking for average, he's asking for above average. If men are truly asking for average girls, they'll be happy with the fat woman but no, they prefer to battle for the top 20% of girls but then blame women for being picky. Men create their own problems.

[–]MasonMan12340 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Who said I want a man you fucking halfwit?

You replied to my comment 2 MONTHS after I posted it with the same insult? Damn you're kinda boring, maybe that's why you suck at dating.

Who cares if being overweight is a choice or not, the fact remains that more than half women today are overweight. A man asking for a thin woman today is not asking for average, he's asking for above average. If men are truly asking for average girls, they'll be happy with the fat woman but no, they prefer to battle for the top 20% of girls but then blame women for being picky. Men create their own problems.

50% of sexually active Americans will contract an STD by age 25, does that mean you shouldn't filter out people with an STD out of your dating pool if you're looking for an "average" partner. Does it make you "picky" to filter out people with STDs as potential partners? Just because something is common doesn't mean it's ok. Obesity is NOT ok, it's unhealthy and disgusting, just like having an STD. Expecting men to be ok with having a fat woman as a sexual partner on the basis that being fat is common is retarded.

[–]9penguin0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You replied to my comment 2 MONTHS after I posted

Because unlike a basement dweller who lives off mommy's retirement fund, I have a life and love my life.

50% of sexually active Americans will contract an STD by age 25

Proof?

Expecting men to be ok with having a fat woman as a sexual partner on the basis that being fat is common is retarded.

I didn't say that, I said, "A man asking for a thin woman today is not asking for average, he's asking for above average."

You want above average, be above average. Too hard for you? Lower your expectations or die alone. It's your fault for wanting to be a celebrity but not wanting to work on it. I have no sympathy for you or men who think like you.

[–]MasonMan12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because unlike a basement dweller who lives off mommy's retirement fund, I have a life and love my life.

Is that why you won't drop it? If you did have a life and did love it you wouldn't be angrily replying to me with such a butthurt response whining about men.

Proof?

http://www.ashasexualhealth.org/stdsstis/statistics/

I didn't say that, I said, "A man asking for a thin woman today is not asking for average, he's asking for above average."

If you ask for a partner without an STD you're asking for a partner who is above average, stop wanting to be a celebrity. Obviously your logic is flawed, I just proved it. You're basing a woman's attractiveness on ONE trait, just because a woman is thin does not make her "above average" in terms of attractiveness, a thin woman could still very much be unattractive.

We get it, you're fat and are too lazy to put down your fork, you're not going to convince any person with a brain that you're right so drop it(your anger towards men who don't like landwhales and your fork)

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Garbage take. Not even worth a rebuttal.

The fact that you think money is a resource that will bring genuine love for men is really telling.

r looks it's so infuriating because there're a lot of girls, ugly, beautiful, hot, who'll worship their dick for nothing but a little money, or a little kindness and attention.

Delusional.

[–]9penguin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Meh, anyone who immediately gets angry after reading my posts are usually too stupid to form a clever rebuttal.

The fact that you think money is a resource that will bring genuine love for men is really telling.

I never said or imply that, well at least it's proven you're too stupid to even understand my post.

[–]SkrattGoddess18 points19 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Wrong. When a man complains about his lack of success and blames women, he gets millions of upvotes. When a woman complains about her lack of success, it's "you're just mad cause Chad wont date you" or "oh you want more than just a pump and dump? dats just being ungrateful! u shud be happy for anything!" She's always met with mockery and ridicule. So the Boohoo Award Of 2019 for Sympathy does indeed go to lonely men. You guys win that award.

[–]justmebeingcurious17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Also, “ugly girls are invisible” didn’t even allude to sex. It alluded to the fact that ugly women are often pushed aside during social interactions. Men won’t even ACKNOWLEDGE her or treat her with human decency, which just makes them look bad, especially in front of the attractive woman they’re trying to get the attention of.

Whereas ugly men just care primarily about sex and resort to insulting women as a class.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It alluded to the fact that ugly women are often pushed aside during social interactions. Men won’t even ACKNOWLEDGE her or treat her with human decency, which just makes them look bad, especially in front of the attractive woman they’re trying to get the attention of.

Not a single on of these is unique to unattractive women. Unattractive men face all of these.

Whereas ugly men just care primarily about sex and resort to insulting women as a class.

Generalization and strawman.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

This is just factually incorrect. All you have to do is look that the thread I mentioned. Reddit is mainly male but even then, most of the sob stories of women are given more understanding

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

1 thread on ugly women in the 2 years I’ve been on this sub versus daily threads about ugly men.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not one thread. Go look at other subs. I can't link them but a lot of them downvote guys who are short but upvote all the ones with fat girls.

They also downplay and trivialize what short guys say but they give full understanding and compassion to fat girls who can't control what they eat.

[–]SkrattGoddess3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok "factually incorrect" so where's your threads to show that I'm wrong? Cause I have plenty to show that I'm not.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I already said the name of the thread.

[–]Emervila2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Whenever a short guy or less desirable guy talks about looks being a hindrance, he's immediately called incel or people say he's making excuses

It's not because he's ugly but bc he is a MAN, we are not allow to complaint. Hot guys have no reason to complaint they get the girls but if they complaint about being treated as dumb the reaction they got is the same you have described.

It's insane to me how much empathy people lack for less attractive men and how they increase their level of criticism and hold a much higher bar when men do it. Women are left unchallenged however when they complain about being unattractive.

Here is your mistake I believe, people can't be emphatic to what they can't relate to, also you forget we talk about SMV even with all the empathy in the world you won't change the fact ugly people is ugly and the fact Marketplace is currently ruled by SMV not RMV. This reality is the one creating TRP, MGTOW etc for those in the 80% ugly ass men deemed as worthless.

I'm an ugly AF guy, I had chicken pox and have scars on my face but I don't want any sympathy or empathy from anybody. I stop being a simp long ago, built an strong mind, principles, career and life. I will enjoy my life whether I have sex with 1,100 or none women, I won't let sex being a downside in my life won't also complaint. I have better things to do to enjoy life bc ugly people who keeps complaining forget you can be truly have and enjoy life, sex does not grant happiness.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

bc he is a MAN, we are not allow to complaint

Isn't this sexism or toxic masculinity as everyone likes to say? In an ideal world that would be great, but given the double standards, I disagree.

I'm an ugly AF guy, I had chicken pox and have scars on my face but I don't want any sympathy or empathy from anybody

I don't care. There shouldn't be double standards.

sex does not grant happiness.

How would you know this? I'm not saying this to be mean, but how do you know that you wouldn't be happy if you were banging hot girls every week?

[–]Xemnas812 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're in a redpill place, they see toxic masculinity as either natural and just, or basically men's fault with a minority of 'brainwashed' women contributing to it.

[–]Emervila0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Isn't this sexism or toxic masculinity

It is toxic but towards man not women.

There shouldn't be double standards.

Ideally I agree with you, factually I don't. I argue men HAVE to react different to this situation to this society current status, first thing for men is stop simping. Women have changed that's a fact, feminism happened and still happening but several men are not reacting properly they want to "adapt" to something designed to damage men, you see feminism tries to override masculinity and redefine it for the sake of women only therefore man have to stop simping to resist and negotiate fair ground with this new type of woman

How would you know this?

What I believe is sex within a meaningful relationship does contribute to happiness but is not the trigger or main part of it, I believe life is composed of several other sections you need develop like a job/business, family, hobbies, friends, etc... at the end a balance or proper development on each area will lead you to a more stable happiness.

you wouldn't be happy if you were banging hot girls every week

For some men it is for other like me is not. I can't truly enjoy sex without emotional understanding (it's less than connection but meaningful). Each man has his own path there can't be just one I know but is not all guys who actually want to bang so many women. If you've seen men who have actually done this you'll see they didn't achieve happiness but pleasure only. I recommend you a short video from Coach Red-Pill on why Dan Bilzerian
is a loser, very good one and He has achieve you formula for happiness with more girls we can imagine

[–]4gotOldU-nameAvoiding Kool-Aid as Much as Possible1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a bit amazing, what you've said. It shows that you've given this much thought, and you are coming from a neutral stance (vs. a hostile, "woe is me" stance.). Put another way, you're thinking in more that just two dimensions (i.e. binary, black and white).

I believe that you are correct. In all that you have stated.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

have to stop simping to resist and negotiate fair ground with this new type of woman

Ok I agree but

What should they do if they can't call out the double standards?

[–]87AudreyHorne3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You are not wrong and I cant argue that but I also dont know what people think they will achieve by having others feel bad for them. What will you do with empathy? Pity doesnt make anyone horny...

[–]ohheyhi99Conflicted Feminist Man, No Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

IMO, it wouldn’t help completely, but it could help significantly.

They’d still be unattractive, but they would be less hated and less ostracized. That could go a long way to improving some ugly men’s motivation and morale.

[–]roguish_rogue2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Its often not fun being an unattractive girl either, they are certainly not afforded all the priviledges more attractive girls are, but the empathy gap is obviously real.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

they are certainly not afforded all the priviledges more attractive girls are,

Yes, that's true. My point is something else though. The double standards that exist with men and women complaining about being ugly.

[–]roguish_rogue0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its the empathy gap, no one cares about mens problems and everyone wants to save women. Its a subconcious thing where weakness in men is unattractive and weakness in women can seem almost endearing, Its probably evolutionarily hardwired to a significant degree. Women who say men should express their emotions more(which usually means express emotions in a more feminine way) are usually those who are most disgusted by weakness in men and by men who show emotion in a feminine way(or at all), and those with the least sympathy for men.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I was playing with my 2 year old son earlier, wrestling and the like. I bonked his head on something and immediately started rubbing his head and soothing him, he looked at me like “the fuck? Lets get back to wrestling”

My daughter would STILL cry to this day if she took a bump on the noggin like that. She’s seven.

Men are the sturdy gender. Less emotional sensitivity, less pain sensitivity, less give a fuck in general. Im not trying to say youre less of a man if youre sensitive - I certainly am - I’m just pointing out why ppl tend to care less about male suffering. Men themselves seem to care less and be less effected by it. Of course some of it is macho cosplay but not all.

Like look at some of the things women complain about online like catcalling or “women were told” or mansplaining or whatever. Ask yourself if there is any conceivable world where the majority of men gave a fuck about such things.

If youre a sensitive male, lean into it. Write or make art or adopt a cool tortured persona. Become a freedom fighter or something heroic and put that big heart to use. But dont ask for sympathy lol. It never helped anyone anyway. Its like a drug or crutch, when you get some you just need more and more. Rather than ask for help with the pain, find a good way to channel the pain into other things. Some paint. Some sculpt. Me? I shitpost.

[–]katymarxPrairie Vole THOT2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I find so much truth in your shitposts. Except about the kids. I have cared for many a child and some little girls are sturdier than little boys. Kids are wild, incredible what you see in their primal nature before nurture sets in.

[–]1Here4Bach3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is the exact opposite of what I experience. Little boys cry about everything.

[–]WaterOnMyHood 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Tell us about your experience

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not my point dude. I'm not saying men should cry and everyone should give them support or whatever.

What I'm highlighting is the clear double standards here where people who purport to call men "entitled", "incel", "picky" will be more supportive towards unattractive women.

The thread about ugly girls being invisible proves that. Most people there are fully sympathetic towards the ugly girls.

I'm not saying everyone should be venting and everyone should be receiving empathy. Ideally, no body should. But the double standards I think say something.

[–]diffdedbedGreen Eyed Devil5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Ugly men can increase RMV easier than ugly women.

I'd much rather be an ugly man than a ugly women in terms of potential relationship success.

I often see ugly men with attractive wife's.

I only see it the other way around if she got fat after marriage.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I often see ugly men with attractive wife's.

I believe the term for that is gold diggers.

I only see it the other way around if she got fat after marriage.

Which isn't uncommon.

[–]diffdedbedGreen Eyed Devil4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I believe the term for that is gold diggers.

This is a rather narrow and limited view.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No it isn't. A woman who marries for wealth is that.

I'd say your view is wishful and hopeful. It sounds like you're guy who wants to accrue wealth because you think that women will have genuine sexual interest towards you. Wrong.

[–]diffdedbedGreen Eyed Devil-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I say you have a poor view of human relationships.

[–]justmebeingcurious 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

My three sisters apart from the one (I have 7 sisters) all married men who aren't attractive. The men work in taxi/grocery stores. When my second sister got married, some people were asking why she married an unattractive man. My sisters all work in a 22-24 karat family gold business.

[–]uglygalthrow 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

The reverse would never happen too

Women always marry down and if they dare to marry up, they are called gold diggers.

[–]megasupreme4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

The reason you were accused of 'whataboutism' is because they are two completely separate social concepts that cannot be compared to one another. It has been well established on reddit (RP) that men who are less attractive can still achieve 'chad' status through other means (namely income, prestige, good job etc.), whereas women have nowhere else to pull from except youth/looks. Therefore, people are generally far more absolute when they equate old/fat/ugly women with worthlessness, whereas equally ugly men are seen as having some sort of potential that is not yet exploited.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

) that men who are less attractive can still achieve 'chad' status through other means (namely income, prestige, good job etc.),

What? This is so much wrong that I don't even think it deserve a rebuttal. You cannot achieve Chad status through wealth. Chad is a physically attractive man. Nobody calls Jeff Bezos a chad. He's not. Women aren't sexually fantasizing about Jeff Bezos.

whereas women have nowhere else to pull from except youth/looks.

Wrong again. They have much easier time getting a date on dating sites than men do.

Ugly men cannot become more sexually attractive. At best, they can accrue wealth so a gold-digger becomes interested in them. That's not real attraction.

Besides, most men aren't even going to be that wealthy and women have enough income that they don't need a guy to be that rich.

[–]megasupreme5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I can agree that my use of the word "chad" wasn't the best word to use here so you can rephrase it to "raise their SMV."

Wrong again. They have much easier time getting a date on dating sites than men do.

Why are you so focused on dating sites? The ability to have sex with strangers on Tinder does not add 'value' to an otherwise unattractive woman. There is FAR more interaction with others in life compared to hookup apps - if you don't broaden your perspective on this topic then you will never find the answers that you're looking for.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

raise their SMV."

False SMV. They aren't more sexually attractive.

The ability to have sex with strangers on Tinder does not add 'value' to an otherwise unattractive woman.

At the very least, it means she has more value than an unattractive guy who can't.

[–]katymarxPrairie Vole THOT1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

So if you woke up one day as Bezos you wouldn't be happy? Doubt it. there's only so much we can do with what we have genetically. You can lift diet and get some surgery but if you're not attractive then toufh shit. People get into relationships for a myriad of reasons including attraction and sometimes attraction is a weird thing and not always based on just how fucking hot the dude is. Believe it or not about 90% of the women here have tried to drill it into y'all's stupid incel heads. However you can always be extremely successful in life; financially, artistically, charitably, and much more.

you can be extremely compassionate and save less fortunate. There's a shitload that you can do to raise your rmv and smv. And If you add some social lessons and some how to fuck lessons to the mix then you should be able to achieve a decent amount of success with women. It may take more practice than a natural but t even professional athletes train non-stop to stay on top of their game.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

So if you woke up one day as Bezos you wouldn't be happy? Doubt it.

No, I wouldn't. In womens' eyes, he's still a bald little guy and they'd rather not have sex with him. I'd rather be some guy who women actually desired even if I was broke.

. Believe it or not about 90% of the women here have tried to drill it into y'all's stupid incel heads

Drill what? Most women IRL have drilled in to my head that they like tall men.

And If you add some social lessons and some how to fuck lessons

These don't mean shit if you're not in the ball game. When you're a short guy, most women disqualify you right off the bat. Your social skills or fucking won't be deployed because you're already eliminated.

This is what people don't get when short guys complain about dating. Women are not receptive towards them.

[–]katymarxPrairie Vole THOT0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Dude you have to work with what you got. Fairy godmother isn’t going to give you longer legs. Having this mindset is so toxic you only have this life to live. Not trying to be a dick, you can’t control the world only yourself.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I know short guys are unattractive to women but it's infuriating see women downplay it and say it's not a big deal when it clearly is. It's also infuriating seeing everyone attack and be hyper critical of short guys who vent whereas a fat or ugly women can get a pass to do it. This is what drives me really nuts.

[–]katymarxPrairie Vole THOT0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No one gets a pass, it’s all just complaining either way. But women tend to try and support each other and dudes be thirsty. It’s all perception. Go cry on inceltears, they are supportive

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No one gets a pass

ugly and fat women definitely do.

Go cry on inceltears, they are supportive

No they aren't. Same deal.

[–]katymarxPrairie Vole THOT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh wait, are you the guy always insisting women only feel desire to ThorMoa tall gym gods? If that’s you, we are done.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

OP the vast majority of the rhetoric here regarding “ugly” girls is that they have it better than “ugly” guys and can still get sex and relationships. “Women can’t be incel” is a common statement here. Men by far get more sympathy on this sub in general given the makeup of this sub and the way it leans.

[–]katymarxPrairie Vole THOT2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why trying to empathize is a waste, neither side can do it adequately it seems. I spent a lot of time w incels and can totally understand their struggle and perspective. Low social iq, weird gross habits, zero natural strength or athleticism...ugh I'll stop now because when i put myself in their shoes I become jeff bezos and Elon musk haha

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men by far get more sympathy on this sub in general given the makeup of this sub and the way it means.

No they don't. Just look at the thread I mentioned. It's heavily upvoted. Any thread with short guys or ugly guys complaining is heavily downvoted.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude, look at the commentary and don’t base it on a single thread either.

[–]Mystery_Tragic-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wut? I've seen the opposite.

[–]TheMedsPedsBlue Pill Woman4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think this is due to the fact that ugly guys can still pull in decent looking women if they have a good personality, money or have "social capital." And not just women, attractive women.

However, you don't typically hear of ugly women even getting DECENT looking men because they have awesome personalities, money or social capital. There will always be exceptions to this rule. But it is still, overall, a common trend in society.

So for ugly women, you either get that bottom of the barrel creeper that will stick his dick in anything (and is sleezy all around so will probably cheat) a very unattractive man who is also a loser, or no one. Unless you have a shit ton of money and can get plastic surgery.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

ugly guys can still pull in decent looking women if they have a good personality,

Not true. Women say this because they conflate or blur looks and personality (halo effect). They think they love personality so much but it's really the personality of the hot guy that they like.

If you're a 5'2 guy, you're not doing well with women, period. Let alone attractive women.

Wealth doesn't make you more attractive, it attracts gold diggers to your assets, not you.

However, you don't typically hear of ugly women even getting DECENT looking men because they have awesome personalities, money or social capital. There will always be exceptions to this rule. But it is still, overall, a common trend in society.

I've seen ugly girls with hot guys. Jason Mamoa is a hot guy, his wife looks like a crackhead. He got have easily gotten a much hotter wife. I've seen other example of this.

So for ugly women, you either get that bottom of the barrel creeper that will stick his dick in anything (and is sleezy all around so will probably cheat) a very unattractive man who is also a loser, or no one. Unless you have a shit ton of money and can get plastic surgery.

If you're a short guy you will either get nothing, a goldigger who doesn't really want you, an obese girl with bad lifestyles choices, or a girl who is getting older and would have never have chosen you before because she was having fun with the hot guys in college.

It's not any better. Trust me, I know.

[–]BelieveinyourflynessPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've seen ugly girls with hot guys. Jason Mamoa is a hot guy, his wife looks like a crackhead. He got have easily gotten a much hotter wife. I've seen other example of this.

What about Beyoncé and Jay Z? Kylie and Travis Scott?

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know, it goes both ways though.

I don't find those two girls that attractive.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew8 points9 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

FROM WHO

men? women? men DGAF about womens sob stories and why WOULDNT women offer them sympathy?

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

men DGAF about womens sob stories

On reddit they clearly do and most of reddit is male.

hy WOULDNT women offer them sympathy?

Men don't offer much sympathy towards to the less attractive men.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeh and? Another edition of men and women are different 101? Why is this womens problem

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT-3 points-2 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

Men too. I mean, many of them are doing it to try and score but thats far man than the average man can hope for. They get no sympathy from men or women and certainly not women giving them sympathy and wanting to hop on their dicks for the most part.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew15 points16 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

certainly not women giving them sympathy and wanting to hop on their dicks for the most part.

why does anyone think this would happen, sympathy is a maternal feeling thats antisexual

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT-2 points-1 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Im not saying it would or should, im saying women get that from men

Edit: Men get nothing from anyone, women get female support and a shoulder to cry on and a dick to ride on from men. But there are even some betas who are not expecting anything in return and actually genuinely feel for her

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew16 points17 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

i cant imagine or understand what shoulder to cry on women get from men, ive never experienced or seen this

men not supporting men is men's fault, why are women always on the hook for it

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT-2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Im not saying it is anyone's fault, im simply saying what is and trying to support that what OP is saying is true.

Literally most women with a social media account, all they have to do is make a post saying "Im really sad right now :(" and a ton of people will flood her with attention and reassurance.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

yeh, this is a social media thing

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It is more prevalent on social media but not exclusive to it, also remember that most people, especially young people have social media these days, so it extends from just being a social media thing to being a person with social media thing which extends to most people.

[–]katymarxPrairie Vole THOT1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Not what I see from my male friends who have a support network. What I do see is men on Reddit calling each other faggot cucks on Reddit man forums, and that is sad. But are women culpable for this trend?

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women arent really to blame for male treatment of men, but I do also see women ridicule men talking about their problems as well.

Im not saying no men get emotional support, just that its fsr less often than women and far less often from women (or men)

[–]Skratt 1 points [recovered]  (11 children) | Copy Link

Wtf xD There's nothing sexy about a male sob story, why would we want to hop on your dick for boohooing about not getting laid? What's sexy about that?

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

I am not saying women should want to, im simply saying women get something men dont. And im also not specifically talking about a guy being sad about not getting laid either

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train9 points10 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Please point us to all these comments from men showing empathy (not sympathy) to women who struggle with men.

We’ll wait.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Have you ever been on any relationship sub?

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

No. can you link to some examples

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/ceuooo/update_my_22f_fiance_22m_slept_in_the_same_room/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

This is a thread from today

https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/ceuooo/update_my_22f_fiance_22m_slept_in_the_same_room/eu5poft?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

I believe this would count as empathy and if you check his tag he is a male.

But you are also movinf the goalpost by requiring empathy btw, OPs claim specifically mentions sympathy.

[–]poppy_bluBeware the freight train6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

How many men on these subs claim that women show them no empathy, and say shit like:

  • women who are raped while drunk should have been more cautious

  • if women want equality in society they should have to date and fuck men they don’t want

  • women should be glad we let them work and don’t rape them

  • women have everything handed to them

  • if a relationship ends, it’s always her fault because she should have picked better

And so on.

I’m guessing not too many.

See the difference?

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The vast minority say those things. Most subs are not incel subs, infact incels get banned on most subs that arent specifically for incels.

[–]atlantic68Purple Shill10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Who cares.

Get the fuck over it pussies

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Basically the response to any man who has problems.

No wonder pur suicide rate is skyrocketing.

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MaN uP

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xD

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[–]wtknightGen X Slacker6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is because most men these days are complaining about lack of sex, not lack of relationships. If men started phrasing their complaints in terms of lacking love and relationships, then I think many more people, especially women, would be sympathetic. But when it's obvious that unattractive men who are unsuccessful with women just want them to make their penis feel good (without them having to pay for it), it doesn't garner much sympathy.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is so wrong.

Guys aren't upset because of lack of sex. They are upset because women have sex with other guys but choose the less desirable guys last.

They feel undesirable. It's not about having sex. It's about not being this guy who gets picked last by a woman who only wants him when she's done having her fun.

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not about having sex. It's about not being this guy who gets picked last by a woman who only wants him when she's done having her fun.

Which means that it's about having sex. To the typical woman, the last guy is the winner because he is the one who finally ended up with her for the rest of his life.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To the typical woman, the last guy is the winner because he is the one who finally ended up with her for the rest of his life.

Yes to her it's very convenient to think that a guy getting picked last is getting a prize. But the reality is that he's not. They all fucked her, he had to marry her to get sex.

That's the main reason why. It makes the relationship feel cheap.

It's not just sex, because a lot of men do want to eventually settle down.

But if they unattractive, they know she never would have wanted him before and it's only after she's done having fun.

[–]Xemnas811 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why are people being disingenuous? Clearly in a redpill place men get the benefit of the doubt.* That's like me saying sexism doesn't exist because feminist spaces always take a gynocentric position.

But by and large unattractive women receive more sympathy. This is mainly because of white knighting, then the ER incident and other incel shootings, (as well as random rape/abusive-ex-kills-woman-who-dumped-him incidents) but its also because of traditional masculinity being centred around agency as virtue. We feel instinctively uncomfortable dealing with adult men exhibiting learned helplessness and this has gone into cultural mores.

Historically masculine energy has been seen as a mobile active force whereas femininity has been seen as a static, passive object. We however no longer accept the notion that femininity positions women to be naturally (rightfully) passive, so we ought to deconstruct masculinity-as-eternally-active too.

Also, Silicon Valley (i.e. Reddit) at large, markets itself to women and to either rich nerds or hot guys.

Last but not least, Feminism has laucnhed a successful campaign against conventional Western beauty ideals (note NOT obesity, most feminists aren't fact acceptance activists, but they ARE critical of Western beauty standards, especially when impacting women.)

*I'd contest this though, RP is a bit obsessed with tough love towards men, when they are just a product of the system too.

[–]theambivalentroosterLiteral Chad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t care. No one should care about pathetic gross loser men. They can make something of themselves or die rotten, inside and out.

Coddling gross pathetic loser men is literally the worst thing you can do for them. They need to be broken and reforged into something useful.

[–]Christian_Kong80% Natural Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's because it's weird for women not being able to attract men, and normal for men to not be able to attract women.

Across the board women are more likely to get sympathy than men.

[–]-OpportunityCostI don't care about your problems6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You people who actually care about these social media and Reddit posts are part of the reason that contributes to you being unattractive. Yes women get treated better online. Why? I don't know, maybe cause some internet losers still believe they have a 1% chance of fucking them. You can either sit there and cry about how it isn't fair or just accept that's how it is and move on to something important. Focus on working on yourself rather than crying because my life is so hard and everyone should feel bad for me. Even if you do get the sympathy you are craving, guess what you are still stuck in the same position as you were before.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What are you babbling about?

I'm saying there are double standards here. It would be great if nobody complained but my point is that the hypocrisy should be called out.

[–]-OpportunityCostI don't care about your problems-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My point is that these people crying about this are getting nowhere. You aren't going to fix hypocrisy on the internet. It's not fair but it isn't something that should be worried about and all it does is add on to the "what's the point, other's have it easier than me" mentality.

[–]SeasonedRP2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I didn't know there significant sympathy toward unattractive women. To the extent there is, it's probably because society values looks on women more than it does on men.

[–]Bekiala1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would agree although mostly I don't think unattractive people receive much sympathy at all. To me how much humans react to looks is a bit of a taboo subject.

Reddit gives a voice to people who suffer because they are unattractive. I don't think this experience has been widely expressed before.

[–]Bekiala1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I tend to think people get more sympathy from their own gender. It is pretty rare for people to cross genders and empathize.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well I disagree because men aren't sympathetic towrads unattractive men.

Most guys on reddit will white knight for ugly girls and in the same breath, attack short guys or ugly guys by calling them incels when they vent about their struggles.

[–]Bekiala0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was actually going to add something like this. Are men less sympathetic towards suffering in general? . . . . ugh . . . .I can think of plenty of horribly evil and non sympathetic women so don't know if such a general tendency holds. I do think most people develop more compassion as they get older. . . . .hmmm . . . your thread is making me think.

I don't think many are sympathetic towards ugly people. We (in the US at least) seem to like to say looks don't matter but they really do specially when you are young.

[–]Actuallyconsistent1 point2 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

It's a different form of criticism. Ugly girls get pumped and dumped forever, while ugly guys simply can't get laid. Fine, argue what you think is worse, but the detriment is there for both sexes.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 2 points3 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

My point isn't to argue which is worse. It's the doublet standards that people and society have.

People sympathize when ugly women vent whereas short guys who vent are attacked and called incels.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Ugly women don't shoot up schools. Disaffected mentally ill men venting about their lot are dangerous.

[–]WaterOnMyHood 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

This is such a manipulative misrepresentation of the issue altogether.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

How so? Every single time you see one of these deranged shooters/killers it's a guy, usually one who's bad socially/with girls. Does it not make sense that people would be less sympathetic of guys making these complaints?

[–]WaterOnMyHood 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Men that complain about their lot in life, if actually treated unjust, are acting rational and not mentally ill in any way. I have no idea how you got that. What kind of Nazi are you?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Reread what I said and consider again whether or not your response has anything to do with it

[–]MasonMan12342 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Guys who complain about their life = Mass shooters, flawless logic

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Every single time you see one of these deranged shooters/killers it's a guy, usually one who's bad socially/with girls.

Ass backwards logic. You're not very smart.

If if we assume this to be true it wouldn't mean that men who complaining about dating are actually murderers or have any tendency of a murder.

Most of those shooters are psycopaths and their grievances aren't even always connected to women necessarily.

Does it not make sense that people would be less sympathetic of guys making these complaints?

Double facepalm. No it doesn't....just stop.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You entirely missed my point, but carry on I guess.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Disaffected mentally ill men venting about their lot are dangerous.

Asinine.

I rest my case if you're going to make an insane generalization like that.

[–]Actuallyconsistent-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, women are different than men. They get more sympathy while men get more agency. It is a double standard, but you're a man. Be one.

[–]_derekhawkins2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Keep the same energy when us men tell women to stay in the kitchen and genuinely mean it

[–]Actuallyconsistent-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. But yeah, women are more content at daily chores. It's biology.

[–]_derekhawkins0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

“You’re a man. Be one” okay cool. I will gladly be your stereotypical man so long as women are the stereotypical house cleaning, meal cooking, dick sucking woman.

[–]Actuallyconsistent1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Like I said, women are more likely to do those types of chore.

You don't have to be a stereotypical heterosexual male. Obviously. But dont expect to receive the stereotypical heterosexual female. That's not how life or biology works.

[–]_derekhawkins-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually the more traditional I am as a man the more I would expect/demand/request, whatever verb that means force a traditional woman

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

MaN uP

[–]Actuallyconsistent0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This should be a legitimate saying. It can be abused, but sometimes you have to grow some balls and be a fucking man.

[–]Comms1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You care far too much about what reddit thinks about anything cmv.

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[–]PhoenixMDL0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What if we have no sympathy at all. Would you approve of that?

Having empathy for ugly short dudes jist isn't gonna happen. But I think stooping caring about land whale females is doable.

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What if we have no sympathy at all. Would you approve of that?

Yes or not being increasingly hypercritical when short or ugly guys vent

[–]drsx20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are good at providing emotional support, men aren't, and each side is more likely to be empathetic towards one of their own.

[–]SpookyAceThePancakeYOU CAN'T HANDLE THE BETA0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Unattractive men get less sympathy than unattractive women because everyone knows that men are valued for more than their looks, while women are valued only for their looks. Meaning, if you're an ugly guy, so what? It's definitely not the end of the world for you, men are valued for their achievements. You're complaining over nothing and everyone knows it. But if you're an ugly woman, well, everyone knows that your life is pretty much over. As an ugly woman is seen as having no value to society. So everyone knows an ugly woman is truly fucked.

WE AGREE, OP!!

[–]SupremeMystique[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

. Meaning, if you're an ugly guy, so what? It's definitely not the end of the world for you, men are valued for their achievements.

Nonsense, lot's of ugly women out there who are successful. Stop drinking that feminist kool aid.

. But if you're an ugly woman, well, everyone knows that your life is pretty much over.

Lot's of successful ugly women.

[–]SpookyAceThePancakeYOU CAN'T HANDLE THE BETA0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

SUCCESSFUL: suc·cess·ful /səkˈsesfəl/ adjective accomplishing an aim or purpose. "a successful attack on the town" synonyms: victorious, triumphant;

VALUED: val·ued /ˈvalyo͞od/ adjective considered to be important or beneficial; cherished. "a valued friend"

LEARN TO READ, SON

[–]OatsGYOWMGTOW-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are going off of a false premise. The reality is that you have two types of humans:

  1. The young humans with vaginas

  2. Everyone else.

The scale shifts based on beauty and weight, but not much until you get to the extremes.

When women complain about being treated like shit, they are actually complaining about being treated like a man.

[–]joannapwns 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Saying that all fat women or all fat people are that way as a choice is a massive generalization.

People can have health conditions that force them to be unable to gain or lose weight. People can have eating disorders that make it hard for them to start or stop eating. People can find that their occupation or daily workload make it impossible to make time to go to the gym or go grocery shopping. People who are impoverished or living in food deserts can have no other option than to get a cheap unhealthy meal from McDonald's. People who dont have formal education in nutrition won't understand why their diet could be causing weight gain.

You're short, and you are upset about it, and thats absolutely fine. But you insist that being short is a curse and being fat is a choice. I just wanted to make sure you knew why that isn't always the case.

[–]MasonMan12341 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

People can have health conditions that force them to be unable to gain or lose weight.

That's rare, most people who are fat are fat because of their eating habits/exercise habits.

People can have eating disorders that make it hard for them to start or stop eating. People can find that their occupation or daily workload make it impossible to make time to go to the gym or go grocery shopping. People who are impoverished or living in food deserts can have no other option than to get a cheap unhealthy meal from McDonald's. People who dont have formal education in nutrition won't understand why their diet could be causing weight gain.

  1. Calling it an eating disorder instead of a choice is misleading and dishonest, I use to be fat because of my poor diet, I couldn't stop eating fast food but ultimately it was my choice to eat that food calling it a "disorder" would strip me(and others) of personal responsibility.
  2. You don't have to go to the gym, you could go on a quick jog, do pushups at home, etc, there's always time to exercise.
  3. I understand that fast food is very cheap, but that doesn't mean you should gobble down an excessive amount of food or drink soda.
  4. Google exists, also you don't need any formal education in nutrition to understand why eating fast food and drinking sugary sodas is causing weight gain.

[–]joannapwns 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lmfao. I was reading and I swear to god, I got to your first point and realized you must be either misinformed or a massive troll.

Eating disorders are not a choice you ignorant fuck. I mean Google exists, so you should use it. It isn't my job to inform you, but a good start is the phrase "are eating disorders a choice?".

You should make using Google a habit so you can correct your personal opinions and dont end up spreading lies that create more misinformed people like yourself.

Dont forget to check if the website is credible, here is a link from University of Wisconsin to help you out.

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