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Question For WomenWhy do women assume every male stranger that chats them up wants to fuck them but God forbid men say AWALT? (self.PurplePillDebate)

submitted by ChadThundagaCock

Basically a man could be talking to a woman and not even hinting that he wants to fuck her and she'll say "I have a boyfriend" or some other way of rejecting him when he hasn't even even said anything about wanting to fuck her. Like women just assume every man wants to fuck them. Big egos.

However, God forbid the red pill says AWALT.

Why the double standard?


[–]87AudreyHorne24 points25 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Also, you complain about this from the side of the other guy. However if you're the boyfriend, would you think its perfectly innocent that a random stranger approaches your gf who then engages into conversation with him and "leaves out that she has a bf?"

[–]Texastentialismshe's got a tattoo and two pet snakes17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly!

It's so interesting to me that these conversations about women's bad treatment of "men" never include the women's actual SO's in that category. Sometimes treating your boyfriend or husband well means treating other men "badly".

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Theres a difference between having a conversation and hitting on someone though. No I wouldnt expect her to stonewall any guy who simply says hello and asks how her day is going. Not to mention, as you know, many of the times they say they have a boyfriend, they actually do not.

[–]87AudreyHorne8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

If you approach a girl at a bus station to ask her for direction or a lighter, and she thinks she needs to tell you she has a boyfriend, then she's weird.

But unless there's nothing specific to ask, why else would you even approach a stranger?

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Idk, some people just like to talk. Ive had all kinds of strangers try to talk to me in public about random shit and im a man.

[–]87AudreyHorne2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

True i guess.

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ya. I have a very welcoming smile. People gravitate towards me

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That would be a good sign that its time to break up and analyse what is about me that makes women want to cheat on me.

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] -4 points-3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Women are always trading uo anyway. A boyfriend is just taking his turn. And sometimes she doesn't even have a boyfriend. She's just saying that to ward off men she isn't aroused by.

[–]87AudreyHorne8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh come on

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

She's just saying that to ward off men she isn't aroused by.

What's wrong with that?

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing

[–]vosidit98 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Another FF fan.

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

So you understand my username. Impressive

[–]vosidit98 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Still you get mogged by ChadThundajaCock.

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL I do. I get mogged even more by ChadThundazaCock.

[–]yaseedog will hunt33 points34 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

redpillers also say men want to fuck pretty much every woman they know/meet

...so like

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well to be fair, as a guy, i dont befriend mingers. Maybe a poll should be done in this. There may be some truth,

[–]vosidit98 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

TBF most of the women RP men fuck are in committed relationships or married.

[–]yaseedog will hunt0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

what makes you think that?

[–]vosidit98 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

Does the personal experience of people I know count?

Used to fix PCs as a side "job" in HS for a guy who did just this.

And another guy I know also regularly meets women in relationships or married on FB & instagram and fucks them.

[–]yaseedog will hunt0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

it counts for something sure. I don't know any professed redpillers IRL but just from interacting with them here and lurking their home sub, I don't think it's "most"

[–]vosidit98 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

I know another guy who also practices RP and he almost went steady with this one girl but she got angry at him for buying a Playstation VR and left him.

The guy found some new girls to bang about a month or so later.

[–]yaseedog will hunt0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

"went steady" ok grandpa :)

that is unfortunate. I hope he enjoyed his PS

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman33 points34 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Numerous PPD men have made it abundantly clear they believe most women hold the intellectual capacity of retarded farm animals with minimal potential for rational thought driven by a cascade in of articulated and turbulent emotions that provoke them to leech on to men and suck them dry of resources, divorce rape them and deadbedroom them. They are most frequently described as singular body parts useful for depositing cum into or breeding if children are desired. So, yah I can get why a woman might think that. It is not ego, it is resignation because dudes are likely projecting all that contempt and derision. We have all heard how we are boring, have no actual real hobbies, work fake jobs or just dance every night with our pink pointy witch hats while joyously inhaling free government money that we get just for being women while we upside down bang criminal Chad slaked in the blood of the dead babies we aborted while in line at Starbucks. What do you expect?

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol what have you been smoking sister?

Anyways, well said I guess. To be fair, I don't think all women suck.

[–]ZeebussFederal Boob Inspector4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To be fair, I don't think all women suck.

How magnanimous of you.

[–]AlanTheGr8MotherNatureBuiltThePatriarchyThankHer4It-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You nailed it sister! QFT! My only quibble is I think there are farm animals that are more intelligent than a lot of women. I usually say "box of rocks" but you got most of it down perfect.

[–]je_kut_is_bourgeois15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Why the double standard?

The two are not comparable because this one contains a conditional rather than an absolute statement.

It is not "all males want to fuck me" but "all males that out of nowhere for no reason strike a social conversation with me want to fuck me"

That qualification obviously delimits the scope of the statement severely.

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well AWALT just means all women have the potential to follow their hypergamy. I made a post they removed a while back that suggested all women will follow their hypergamy at some point. Not one woman said they would. Yet most women I know have at one point done it. Lots of others will at some point do it. Doesn't mean a woman will for sure, but it's within their nature.

[–]je_kut_is_bourgeois4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Well AWALT just means all women have the potential to follow their hypergamy.

So basically the goalpost is moved till the statement because useless and unfalsifiable.

That can be said about everything; everything has "the potential to ..." whatever you want it to have the potential to; that's a useless statement.

I made a post they removed a while back that suggested all women will follow their hypergamy at some point. Not one woman said they would. Yet most women I know have at one point done it. Lots of others will at some point do it. Doesn't mean a woman will for sure, but it's within their nature.

And if you stretch out a male's life indefinitely without aging said male eventually that male will be attracted to something that is wealthier too because it's bound to happen at one point because of statistics—it's a useless claim.

Wait long enough and eventually you'l quantum tunnel through a wall and emerge on the other side unscathed.

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

And if you stretch out a male's life indefinitely without aging said male eventually that male will be attracted to something that is wealthier more sexually available or just overall sexier too because it's bound to happen at one point because of statistics

[–]je_kut_is_bourgeois0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah that too: because everything that is not physically impossible will happen if you stretch out time long enough.

That's my point and why your claim is useless because it can be made for every receiver and predicate.

[–]sugarcurious 1 points [recovered]  (15 children) | Copy Link

What I find funny is all day long I hear from men on this sub how high men’s sex drives are, how much sex motivates them, how they’re not as picky, how women are really only worth one thing and why don’t women understand this?, how women have it so easy because as long as they’re not absolutely hideous, men will still fuck her. Then to balk at the notion that women may be on the defense when a man approaches her to “just chat.” Im sure there are many situations where men are not intending to hit on some woman. But you have to understand the frequency and persistence that this stuff occurs would put someone on guard and cause them to want to nip it in the bud. Quit acting offended when it’s been drilled in women’s heads, probably by people like you, that men want one thing.

[–]eyewant😋 grape suppository7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Quit acting offended when it’s been drilled in women’s heads, probably by people like you, that men want one thing.

indeed, and honestly it's best for women to err on the side of caution. Any guy that gets offended doesn't know what the average women has seen from the average man.

It's like a good man offering a woman a ride. A good man wouldn't get angry at a women who is cautious about the ride offer. He knows that there are many dangerous men out there. However an unscrupulous nice guy is the one who is offended.

[–]FlyingResearcher2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're also underestimating confirmation bias. When you assume every man who talks to you wants to have sex, you're going to see evidence for it everywhere no matter if it's true or not.

Kind of like that girl talking about a guy looking at her necklace. Like he might have actually just been looking at her necklace. But she immediately assumes he was looking at her tits. And if she goes around judging men this way her whole life then of course she's going to assume 99% of men just want to have sex with her.

The effect it has on her ego and her general level of conceitedness likely follows from this...

Some women probably want this to be true. Some women probably want it to be true, and then go around complaining / bragging about it, with the implication being that she's so pretty and desirable, men just can't help themselves.

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] 3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Sure. And it's been drilled into our heads that women want one thing too.

Money.

But that doesn't make it true. Hell, some men probably don't want sex. So many men have such low T levels and smoke too much weed.

[–]SqueaksScreech6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have like 3 dudes who always call when they're high it's pretty great our conversations are hilarious.

[–]FlyingResearcher6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Age knocks it off quite a bit. Most studies that look at this show only a small difference in sex drive between men and women. Some even show that in older, more established couples, women sometimes have higher sex drive than their partners.

Drugs like Viagra exist for a reason, and have saved more marriages than you probably realize.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

show only a small difference in sex drive between men and women

We still spouting this retarded talking point around here?

[–]FlyingResearcher1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

The one where we act like women don't ever want to have sex, and every time she does, she's being raped?

Yeah that one is a big talking point around here. Stick around a few days and you'll see what I mean. No amount of facts and statistics will ever change their minds.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah either women are all as horny as men or they have 0 sex drive, definitely no in between

[–]FlyingResearcher2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Where did I imply it was either identical, or it was zero? Dead you even read or understand what I wrote?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Where did I imply it was either identical, or it was zero? Dead you even read or understand what I wrote?

The one where we act like women dont ever want to have sex

[–]FlyingResearcher1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes there are other people who like to pretend this is true. You're the one who actually pointed that out originally, if you remember.

[–]Reed_49830 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

If there is only a small difference, how is it infinitely easier for women to score matches and dates on apps like Tinder than it is for men?

[–]FlyingResearcher2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Logically it only requires a small difference in biological drive for this to come out. Social stigmas against women, and social pressures towards men also contribute to it though.

There's also the argument that men are simply more active and goal oriented than women are. Even if our sex drives were exactly identical, this difference in passivity would likely cause these patterns in society.

[–]Reed_49831 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This might be true for men and women outside of monogamous relationships, but there's been a lot of studies showing that women significantly lose their libido and interest in sex within such relationships, while men's interest in sex remains constant. (link 1, 2, 3) Quite ironic and sad actually, when you consider that on average, women are the group who is more interested in forming monogamous relationships with men they're fond of, and push for relationships faster on average. If you were very cynical, you could actually consider that a design flaw in human (female) biology.

[–]FlavFal31F72 points73 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

For me it isn't about ego or whatever. Plenty of men will stop talking to you the moment they find out you already have a partner, regardless of how much they swear they "just wanna talk and be friends" so why waste both of our times?

[–]boundarychimpsALL THE COLORS12 points13 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Plenty of men will stop talking to you the moment they find out you already have a partner,

What kind of "find out"?

If someone I was talking to went out of her way to make that point, I'd assume that I'd messed up something in my social awareness -- or that she's just that paranoid or conceited -- and she was uncomfortable. And so I'd go talk to someone who doesn't make veiled accusations that my presence is somehow inappropriate.

[–]crumblesnatch 1 points [recovered]  (13 children) | Copy Link

I was waiting for the bus and a guy came up to me, looked at my chest for a moment, and said, "Hey, I like your necklace. Where'd you get it?"

I said, "Thanks. My mother-in-law gave it to me."

His demeanour immediately shifted from friendly to standoffish, and he walked away without another word. I made no implication that his question was unwelcome - I answered him honestly. I was smiling. I'm quite open to chatting in queues and stuff, do it all the time.

But let's not kid: he commented on the necklace becaue he was staring at my tits, and he lost all interest in conversation the second he realized I'm married. This is not an unusual occurence, although dudes usually have a biiiit more grace with the exit.

[–]Mayhzon2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree, he was clearly trying to open the conversation with the necklace. When he noticed it wouldn't go anywhere, he dropped the pretense and left.

If it really was about the necklace, he'd have went indepth about the necklace and jewelry as a topic, would have talked about materials or colors and such or at least properly finished to conversation up.

[–]FlyingResearcher-3 points-2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

So,

  • He saw your necklace and was curious about it
  • You're conceited enough to assume he was looking at your tits
  • You answer his question, satisfying his curiosity, so he doesn't say anything else to you

I mean maybe he was hitting on you. But maybe he was just being nice or establishing a certain amount of friendliness while waiting on the bus.

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I mean maybe he was hitting on you

Come on dude. Unless he was a homo, he didn't give a fuck about her necklace

[–]FlyingResearcher1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If he's being nice he might say something about it.

[–]Elmuenster0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I've asked women where they got jewelry before, not because I'm gay, but because I have a wife who likes jewelry.

[–]crumblesnatch 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

So you'd probably say something like, "Do you know where your MIL got it?" or "Cool, thanks."

I assume you wouldn't stop smiling, heel-pivot, and go wait somewhere else.

[–]Elmuenster2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, and I probably would have opened with something like, "My wife would love your (insert jewelry here), where did you get it?"

Sometimes though, I actually do just compliment people on outfits, etc, because sometimes you can tell that someone's put in work to look nice that day. My wife gets annoyed at me, not because I'm complimenting other women, but because she thinks I interact too freely with strangers period, but I think random compliments are fine if you pay them, then end the interaction tactfully with a smile.

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

🤥

[–]crumblesnatch 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

If he was establishing a certain amount of friendliness while waiting for the bus, literally heel-pivoting away to wait elsewhere the second I mention I'm married is a really ineffective way to do that.

[–]FlyingResearcher-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You're at a bus stop. People who ride to bus are usually kind of akward.

[–]crumblesnatch 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, awkward aborted come-ons are a thing that people do at bus stops.

[–]FlyingResearcher1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

People who ride the bus in general are kind of weird.

I rode one for close to five years so I know first-hand how awkward some people can be. Most are generally nice / good people and wouldn't ever harm anyone, but that doesn't mean they can't be weird.

[–]FlavFal31F18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They ask and then stop talking to you the moment you answer that you're in a happy relationship.

[–]jessicaannpin-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hmm maybe I complain too much about the guys I date for this to ever take effect

[–]FlavFal31F10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Last guy who did this also asked me if I was happy with my boyfriend, hoping I'd cheat on him. When I said I was happy he stopped talking to me.

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's fair.

[–]renaultcliodriver 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

These are usually the women I end up sleeping with though. When she says 'I have a boyfriend' or whatever, I just say 'Just as well I'm not trying to be your boyfriend then' and smile. Works almost all of the time. Women want fun just like men. A lot of relationships are built around future planning and often neglecting the now. When a guy/girl comes along offering some fun in the moment with a carefree attitude, a lot of men/women take up that offer.

[–]FlavFal31F6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's irrelevant for me.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah I have noticed that as well. When I was heavy into PUA, I never really got girl firends, it was just married women wanting some fun. Or women leaving their boyfriend alone in the pub to give me a blow job down a nearby allyway.

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Other guys I knew had similar experiences. Some dude left the city because 3 married women all wanted to leave their husbands to get with him as he was "so different from the other guys". The shit got too real for him.

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When it comes to "Game" there should be a disclaimer of some sort.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This could very well be due to them thinking your mentioning this means you want them to go away, not due to interest

[–]FlavFal31F1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a possibility, but at some point you get tired of dealing with deceitful men so you just send them all away, even the ones who really just wanna talk.

[–]87AudreyHorne0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

And plenty won't, and will still keep trying

[–]human8ure1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice observation, miss Horne.

[–]kandyapplezincel larping as a thot21 points22 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

i'm skeptical of awalt becuz the guys who use it are often men who are self-professed to have little experience with women

i think most women have experience being approached by male strangers, enough to know that yes most of them want to fuck. because its unambiguously true. i commute a lot. it's interesting how men, who predominantly are homosocial when it comes to friendships, somehow don't approach male strangers for "friendship" very often but were supposed to believe they are stricken by platonic interest in random girls.

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is so true. Lol

On a side note, a wise old man I know once told me "Always be weary of a man who actively seeks female friends". Amazing how many times this advice held true.

[–]uglygalthrow 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why so?

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cause he is gonna fuck someones wife

[–]09f911029d7Purple Pill2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

it's interesting how men, who predominantly are homosocial when it comes to friendships, somehow don't approach male strangers for "friendship" very often but were supposed to believe they are stricken by platonic interest in random girls.

It's not interesting. If they're homosocial, they can readily find friends through their existing social circle. They have no need to approach pure strangers for friendship, unless they're specifically looking for female friends. But they can't date inside their (predominantly male) circle, so they have to approach strangers for that.

[–]CuriousOptimisticNo Pill28 points29 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

You really can't see the difference between:

"If a person does this thing, it most likely means such and so," and "all people of this category have this (generally undesirable) characteristic"?

One is making a generalization based on interpreting a specific behavior. The other is making a generalization about an entire gender based on nothing in particular.

I'll tell you what, if I start chatting you up in public, it's probably because I'm interested in you. Feel free to make that generalization.

If I say "all men are rapists" or any other bullshit like that, then feel free to call me on that too. There's no such thing as AWALT or AMALT. At best any characteristic applies to maybe 70% of either gender. (And no, I don't think 70% of men are rapists either.)

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT-2 points-1 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

"If a person does this thing, it most likely means such and so," and "all people of this category have this (generally undesirable) characteristic"?

But thats not what it is, its more like "If a man does this thing..." because women dont automatically assume a woman is hitting on them when they approach them for conversation. So you are making a generalization, stereotyping and being prejudice based upon someone's gender and assumed sexual orientation.

[–]CuriousOptimisticNo Pill3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

It is making a generalization. That's how social cues work. Many many things aren't outright stated and we have to interpret. It's normal.

As a bisexual woman I can tell you that women I go chat up because I am interested in them often don't get it. Why? Because 90% of the time when something like this happens, that's not what it means. I'm not mad about it, it just makes sense.

It's still a far cry from something like "All women are narcissists"

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The point of saying AWALT isnt that literally all women do something. It is actually the same as what youre doing. It means "Treat women as all of them are like that because they might be and you and its better to be on the safe side". The same way when a woman is walking down the street at night and some guy is walking behind them. They make a generalization and act as if he is a threat even if he probably is not. If its okay to assume a man is a rapist then I think its less bad to assume a woman is a narcissist.

[–]CuriousOptimisticNo Pill1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Except that then men spend no effort on finding non-narcissistic women. It isn't just making a generalization, it is making one which:

a) isn't true as psychologists will tell you that it's not true that 70% of women are narcissists

b) means you put no effort at all into finding women who aren't narcissists

c) the very language you use literally lumps ALL women into this category (whether or not that's what you intend, it's what you actually said)

That's why women object.

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Where are you getting this 70% number from?

I dont think the percent really matters, even if the number is 1%. People can conceal it and if youre not well versed in psychology you might not even know NPD is a thing or what the symptoms are. Not all men are going to run into one, but due to random chance there are going to be guys disproportionately running into them and the fact that a narcissist can harm multiple people in their lifetimes it's not a 1:1 ratio. Narcissism isnt the only complaint either, when you factor in all of the character flaws and mental illnesses people have, yeah there's a good chance youre going to be running into shitty women a lot.

Also Most people talking about narcissism are talking about it in a layman's way as in subclinical narcissistic traits and not the actual personality disorder.

I do accept your point about saying all women are like that, at least from the perception of the uninitiated observer, but I dont really see a meaningful distinction in a term that generalizes all women and an unsaid code of conduct most women follow that treats all men as potential rapists, potential murderers, potential harassers, potential propositioners etc. Especially on the point of rapists and murderers being that not even 1% of men are either of them.

[–]CuriousOptimisticNo Pill0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Where are you getting this 70% number from?

It is something I just threw out there for the sake of discussion. It's probably about where most people would say something is "generally true." It's one standard deviation from the mean.

Narcissism isnt the only complaint either, when you factor in all of the character flaws and mental illnesses people have, yeah there's a good chance youre going to be running into shitty women a lot.

Sure. I don't think anyone disputes this. Guess what? There's a lot of shitty men too. A major problem with AWALT is that it discussed these things as if they are somehow unique to the "nature of women," rather than the nature of humans.

Also Most people talking about narcissism are talking about it in a layman's way as in subclinical narcissistic traits and not the actual personality disorder.

That's fair enough, but still, women are not generally any more likely to be narcissistic than anyone else. We live in probably the most narcissistic culture that ever existed. That's not somehow uniquely part of the nature of women.

As for the rest - the bottom line is LANGUAGE MATTERS. The way we talk about things literally programs our brains to think of them that way. It isn't about an "uninitiated observer," it's about setting the tone for how you think about the world. It's setting you up from r how you operate in the world.

treats all men as potential rapists, potential murderers, potential harassers, potential propositioners etc. Especially on the point of rapists and murderers being that not even 1% of men are either of them.

No, this is simply not true. First of all, if I said, "all men are rapists," I'm sure you'd (rightfully) object. Even "All men are potential rapists" isn't right. For example, I'm reasonably sure you'd say you're not a potential rapist because you'd never do this.

"Any man I don't know is a potential rapist" is more apt. It opens the door that my friends and family and any man I don't know probably isn't a rapist, but I'm going to be careful. That makes sense and isn't phrased in an offensive way.

Also, please understand that I have personal experience on redpill type boards (in the past, not on Reddit) being told that, yes, ALL women are like that. If I say that I'm not personally a narcissist, it's because I'm fooling myself, which of course is what a narcissist would do!

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So if AWALT was actually AWIDKIAPX (Any woman I dont know is a potential [x]) and unknown are women treated as they could potentially be x youd be okay with it? Just wondering.

The reason TRP focuses mostly on how women behave is because the entire ideology is centered around straight men trying to pick up women. How men interact with each other isnt usually talked about because its mostly unnecessary. Also, just because there are a lot of shitty men as well, does not negate the fact that there are shitty women, since we do not date men, what men do to women from a "lets have empathy for the feeeeemales" perspective is kind of largely irrelevant and unnecessary to the conversation as well.

Also to your last point, TRP isnt a monolith, people have different ideas and opinions, there is some overlap in belief but there is also a lot of debate on specifics too. Just because one, some, or even many believe it as literal unhyperbolic truth does not mean it is a universally held belief. They could have just been saying that to get under your skin. I think if most RPers were being honest when someone asked them "Do you think LITERALLY ALL women are 'like that' and not even one woman in the entire world is not like that" most of them would say no.

it's about setting the tone for how you think about the world. It's setting you up from r how you operate in the world.

Honestly I think men would be better off truly unironically believing all women are "like that", or at least behaving as if it were true. the same way people would be better off treating all guns as loaded and thinking all snakes bite.

I do agree there has to be some compromise if you ever want to settle down. I think TAWLTCPBTWUYPSTNLTBTBASOG(Treat all women like they could potentially be that way until youre pretty sure theyre not like that but always stay on guard) would be a better ideology but its not quite as easy AWALT to say.

[–]CuriousOptimisticNo Pill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So if AWALT was actually AWIDKIAPX (Any woman I dont know is a potential [x]) and unknown are women treated as they could potentially be x youd be okay with it? Just wondering.

I mean, it's awful as an acronym but again I don't think anyone disputes the idea that some amount of people are shitty and it's not wrong to be skeptical about strangers. I think it's even fair to say there are ways that women are particularly likely to be shitty.

The reason TRP focuses mostly on how women behave is because the entire ideology is centered around straight men trying to pick up women.

But the problem here is that focusing on women ignores the ways they're basically just humans. It fosters misogyny and an idea that women are somehow particularly shitty and it's just not real. There's basically almost no advice for men on how to not be shitty and it in fact tends to encourage them to be so under the guise that if people are being shitty to you, it's only fair to be that way in return, and the ends justify the means. That's why women don't like it.

Honestly I think men would be better off truly unironically believing all women are "like that", or at least behaving as if it were true. the same way people would be better off treating all guns as loaded and thinking all snakes bite.

It would be a lot more valuable to men to say, well, you don't want to date a narcissist, do you? Here are some things to look for. Or, if you keep picking narcissists, maybe you need to look at yourself because you're not seeing the other choices.

Instead it's, since most women are narcissists, here's how to manipulate the dumb bitches into having sex with you.

You don't get to treat all snakes as if they bite and then wonder why you can't keep one as a pet. It's fine to be overly cautious to a point, but then when you blame the other party for the lack of relationship you have based on your shitty assumptions, it's not fair.

Somehow, surprisingly, a woman won't want to marry you if you insist on treating her like a poisonous snake. I mean, would you marry a woman who legit thought you just might someday rape or murder someone? I think not.

So yeah, maybe it's safer that way, but then don't bitch about how lonely and unhappy you are.

Also, while your right that redpill isn't monolithic, AWALT came about specifically as a retort to women saying "not all women are like that." Women trying to say that you have choices and the world isn't literally full of shitty people was met with essentially, "yes it is!" Well, ok, whatever. Good luck with that but it's not true.

[–]rasmelo9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Usually they want to fuck us. The difference is that AWALT has a negative connotation. I am never mad at someone because they are sexually interested. If I say I have a boyfriend before the person has come on to me, it's because I genuinely want to save them time.

[–]Ofourkind36 points37 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The men here constantly say that men and women cant be friends and that men are only interested in one thing from women

And then get butthurt when women agree with them

[–]rachaellefler20 points21 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Yeah theres no difference between a woman saying "all guys want to fuck me" and saying up front "no I have a boyfriend" to the 9th hound that hits on her that day, and a man who says "all women want is to fuck alpha men and steal money from betas to support a lazy and consumerist lifestyle, and all women are lazy whorea who are going to cheat on you and destroy society and abuse men" despite never having interacted with any woman who's ever done anything remotely close to that. /s

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Theres a difference, but theyre both massive generalizations that arent true. The equivalent would be "All women want men for their money"

[–]CamoWoobie10000Women are SHIT1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Theres a difference, but theyre both massive generalizations

[–]jessicaannpin-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What? Pretty sure alphas have more money.

[–]i_have_a_semicolonPurple Pill Woman-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Beta bux implies bux. Alpha nor beta implies who has more money - because they are behaviors, not directly attributed to someone's earnings. However it's about what women get from these men. A beta doesn't provide lots of sexy exciting behavior, therefore women use him for what he does provide (usually deemed as bux, aka money, but could also mean comfort). Alphas on the other hand provide excitement , so women flock to them not because of the money but because of how they make her feel excitement and sex.

[–]87AudreyHorne6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But then if you engage, dont mention boyfriends and are your charming self, you'll be leading him on. And you can say you technically had no idea he was into you that way, but no one really believes it, I am sure not even the girl who says it.

Just randomly showing interest for someone you dont know of the opposite sex never happens unless there is attraction there (unless there's a really solid context around it). Thats just laws of attraction.

[–]insultin_crayon5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Redpill: “if a man is talking to you, he wants to fuck to because we are menz and muh biology!”

You, who appears to be redpilled: “AWALT! Not all menz!”

That’s why, kiddo

[–]Orange_PaisleyOrange pill is best pill16 points17 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Most of them do, that is why.

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] -5 points-4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Ok but that's still sexist. Which is what the red pill gets shit for.

AWALT...most women will cheat and leave a man when a higher SMV man comes along. But that's not ok for me to say.

[–]Orange_PaisleyOrange pill is best pill21 points22 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It is different. If you cold approach a woman and chat her up, it is reasonable to assume you are hitting on her. If you assume all women will cheat on you, you are paranoid.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Both positions are stupidly paranoid.

[–]Orange_PaisleyOrange pill is best pill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really, some people WANT to be hit on.

[–]_derekhawkins0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Is it reasonable to assume I’m hitting on a guy that I could approach as well? Usually when out in public and I see something worth commenting on, I’ll say that comment to whoever is nearby, if that’s a girl so be it. I promise some people are just sociable, it is not a reasonable assumption

[–]Orange_PaisleyOrange pill is best pill10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It depends on the context of the conversation, of course. If some guy nearby makes an offhand remark about the weather when starts raining, meh. If he goes out of his way to approach me and engage me in awkward conversation, he probably is not just being friendly. I guess we have different definitions of “chat up.”

[–]katymarxPrairie Vole THOT11 points12 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Whats the context here? I talk to male co-workers and clients all the time and don't think or say that. If a dude creeps up behind me at the grocery store while I'm bent over comparing some items, and says hey while making some lame joke, I'm going to instinctually know he's hitting on me and if he is gross I'm going to nope the fuck away from him quickly as possible. Fortunately I have top notch RRBF so I rarely have to get to the "I have a bf" excuse.

Can think of a dozen other responses to a male approaching in different contexts. And why are you connecting this to AWALT at all? Makes nein sense

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

RRBF? I think you meant RBF.

I connected AWALT to this because that is one of the things women shit on the red pill for. Because of sexism. And yet women are sexist themselves.

[–]katymarxPrairie Vole THOT5 points6 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Nope I meant it. Resting Russian Bitch Face. We are next level pros at not smiling or looking happy in public, it's a culture thing.

https://images.app.goo.gl/4fzU1DHwRNvWzstJ6

I see where you made that connection I just don't have that experience and haven't seen it from other women. "I have a BF" isn't usually the first objection we use, that's saved for extra persistent duds.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I was in Russia last year and I actually couldn't believe how angry everyone looked in public. It was something else.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its the weather.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol, link. Totally RRBF.

[–]Spurius85Red Pill Man1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Huh, now the "marx" part of your name makes sense. I thought you were just being an edgy leftist.

[–]katymarxPrairie Vole THOT2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not my last name and I'm not really a leftist. I can't remember why I chose the nom de plume but has nothing to do w Karl Marx

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Russians love an angry face and competitive games, thats what I learned from my time in Moscow.

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IDK if anyone watched the new season of Stranger Things, but they troped this as well.

[–]katymarxPrairie Vole THOT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I started watching the first season and kept pushing it back, need to revisit now that I have 3 seasons of something to binge lol

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That link isn't showing up on my phone.

Ah, so you're Russian? Funny thing...the people I live with can't stand Russians but I have a huge fetish for Russian girls.

And yes, I know exactly what you mean. It's hard for me to read Russian women because of that face. I have one from Belarus that comes to my house all the time to help my elderly aunt out and her face is always the same. Even though she has seen me in a tanktop and knows I have a nice bod.

RRBF is a thing!

[–]katymarxPrairie Vole THOT2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a culture thing. When a person walks around w a big grin on their face it's considered mentally unstable. Aloof is the look people go for out in public amongst strangers. Which is why non russkies think we are mean, which we can be too obv.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But exactly because of these reasons I don't really take facial expressions into account. Except aggression.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

You need a new title

"Chat up" implies sexual intent so yes anyone chatting up a woman wants to fuck her by definition

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Chatting up to me just means making conversation in general.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Then you're wrong about that and maybe other things too

[–]BasicGro2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No mate, if you are having a conversation with a women with no intent. You are not succeeding at chatting her up. You are just having a conversation. Please stop bigging yourself up.

[–]jessicaannpin0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol no it doesn’t. “Chat up” isn’t sexual

[–]ayeayefitlikeBlueish-Purple Pill Woman13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It definitely means the same as ‘hitting on’ - ‘chatting to’ or ‘chatting with’ aren’t sexual, but ‘chatting up’ absolutely is.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Google it

[–]KikiYuyuPurple Pill Woman4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Basically a man could be talking to a woman and not even hinting that he wants to fuck her

For some women it will be ego. Some it's fear that could be from misinformation or personal experiences.

It's not even as if an innocent conversation is guaranteed to stay that way.

However, God forbid the red pill says AWALT

Well I hate to tell you this but not all the women in the world do what you describe, hence NAWALT.

[–]Actuallyconsistent4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This place has gotten pathetic. Every redpill concept is represented as some feminist caricature of itself.

[–]PaintingOfJoan17 points18 points  (59 children) | Copy Link

I don’t think all men wanna fuck me, like obv my brother and my daddy don’t. But like every guy who hits me up on the bus, random dude on reddit who message me, and every guy who rubbernecks yah they prob wanna fuck. Idk what AWALT means or what that is or whatever too so idk this looks dumb.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (40 children) | Copy Link

AWALT means "All Women Are Like That".

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I have always read it as meaning, as a dude, when I am with a women, I still need to keep my shit together as women are not special unicorns and if I let myself go there will be consequences. Also if I am cheated on, well thats life, instead of crying over it, just accept its part of the fun and games of relationships instead of spending the rest of my life dwelling upon it.

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Now the issue is the infamous toxicity of the TRP sub, the incel movement and the blackpill. Its being used in a way it (in my eyes) was not intended for. Itend to keepaway from the TRP sub, as much I agree with some of the sidebar materialand find it useful, I have a feeling a lot of guys on there have not internalised it. Also TRP (again, in my eyes, I am not an authority) should focus more on forgiveness and letting go of the past, so that guys who have had bad shit happen (through their own life choices) can move on and get off the downward spiral and back onto the upward spiral.

[–]PaintingOfJoan3 points4 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

All women are like what though?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (33 children) | Copy Link

Hypergamy, solipsism, Machiavellianism and immaturity are principles which make up the AWALT umbrella. Behaviours resulting from those principles would be branch swinging, blame shifting and emotional impulsiveness, among others.

However AWALT (in my eyes) does not mean that All Women will ACT on these impulses.

I disagree with some of the women on this sub, as they seem to claim to be some magical unicorns. Im sorry but relationship,no matter how serious it is, there are still oppurtunities for a woman to cheat, their will still be men outside the relationship they may find attractive. Its life. So yeah AWALT. However nAWALT (Not All Women Are Like That) applies when it comes to acting on these impulses.

I have said before, women should probably adopt an AMALT mindset at times (other than the all men want to kill and rape them), then they will probably become more proactive in terms of not letting themselves go in relationships and being cheated on. Same as with men, get fat and become a couch potatoe, well no shit your wife is gonna have some other dudes cock in her mouth.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Ive never met someone both "machiavellian" and "immature"

[–]SkylineCrash1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think it's about doing traits of both at different times, not simultaneously

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I dunno Machiavellianism is based on calculation and strategically controlling ones emotional responses

So someone machiavellian can purposely use immature strategies to get what they want but to my mind the they're mutually exclusive as character traits

Notruemachiavelli I guess

[–]SkylineCrash1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But someone can portray Machiavellianism in one scenario and be immature in another

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe

I've never seen anyone with a high mach score have a non premeditated tantrum though

[–]crumblesnatch 1 points [recovered]  (27 children) | Copy Link

So basically TRP is in favour of thought crime?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (26 children) | Copy Link

Despite the attempts of the Left, thought crime does not actually exist yet

[–]crumblesnatch 1 points [recovered]  (25 children) | Copy Link

Why do you advocate for treating people according to actions you assume they've thought about but have never committed then?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (24 children) | Copy Link

Its called taking care of my own shit. If I don;t make those assumptions and create relevent boundaries, I will be giving a green light for people to walk over me. I take care of myself and my interests, I don't sit back in some make believe world where everyone is nice and wants to hug me and then blame everyone else when shit goes bad.

I have been mugged, knifed, had the shit kicked out of me, had rocks thrown at me when I was 8. I have been cheated on, been with a gold digger. I could go on. I dont blame them, I just look at things I can do to make sure it never happens again. Its called responsibility for one self.

[–]crumblesnatch 1 points [recovered]  (23 children) | Copy Link

How is it "taking care of your own shit" to ascribe negative traits to whole populations because you were wronged by individuals? I assume the female sex, collectively, did not take your money.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (22 children) | Copy Link

No but I was probably being a bit of a flashy cunt with my own money (I actually was at the time), so by accepting AWALT, I can change my behavior so I don;t be such a flashy cunt. That way I will have less chance of attracting gold diggers, although in my case it would be more like a Bronze Digger.

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I don't know if a women is a gold digger or not, but I can make assumptions, change my old behaviours into different behaviors based on that assumption. That way, guess what Im taking care of my shit as much as i can.

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Now if I assume, that woman was a one-off or just blame her for my stupid life choices, nothing will change and I will probably make the same mistake, again and again and again.

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Now let assume, I get into a relationship and let myself go (yes I did that when I was younger) and I get cheated on. What choices do I have:

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A) Take the AWALT stance, and make sure that when I am in another relationship, I dont let myself go. Does not mean the relationship will be a guaranteed success but I will have learnt off my past mistakes.

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B) Decide the woman was a one off, and possibly make the same mistake and get cheated on again and again and again.

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] -3 points-2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

They all act like teenagers and will trade up when a hotter, "better" boy comes along

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So this includes mom and grandma, out branch swinging on a Sunday night?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My Grandma's final marraige was when she was 88 or so. That old woman had game.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They can't.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like an universal thing.

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I said male strangers.

[–]Another_leaf1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You sure you're not unfairly assuming in some instances?

[–]PaintingOfJoan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe 😅

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Your brother and father are probably sexually attracted nonetheless, they just never will act up on it.

Talking to a cute girl is always giving dopamine boosts to men tho, so even when they don't wanna fuck you they still feel good talking to you specifically, assuming you're cute.

[–]PaintingOfJoan1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yah they might be but they prob aren’t trying to fuck me.

[–]Nobodykers1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You believe that your brother and father are sexually attracted to you?

[–]PaintingOfJoan1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Idk, prob not

[–]Nobodykers0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Idk? Lol

[–]4gotOldU-nameAvoiding Kool-Aid as Much as Possible-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You are living in a delusion, sorry to say. A random man who happens to start a conversation with you doesn't mean that he wants to fuck you.

Check your ego a bit from time to time, will you?

[–]PaintingOfJoan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m sure you’d fuck me! 😅

[–]WhatIsTheMeaningHere-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Why would some dude on reddit who doesn't even know if he's close to you wanna smash?

[–]uglygalthrow 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

You must not understand male thirst lol

[–]Iron-Giant1693 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Male thirst is cancer

[–]WhatIsTheMeaningHere0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I do, but generally I make sure the lady is within my geographic region before thirsting on her.

[–]4gotOldU-nameAvoiding Kool-Aid as Much as Possible-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bullshit.

[–]kandyapplezincel larping as a thot4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

you would be very surprised

[–]undeadko3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why do women assume every male stranger that chats them up wants to fuck them but God forbid men say AWALT?

This is wrong in so many ways.

Women do not assume every male stranger wants to fuck them. There are countless problems in relationships just because they do NOT assume that and some even miss the obvious hints men drop that they DO want to fuck them.

The women who get tilted by AWALT are not the same women who assume that men chatting them up want to have sex with them.

It is obvious that you are a guy and got mixed readings from women who are in different social groups. I am also a guy and am telling you that it is not as you are making it seem to be.

[–]UtahRaptorCatPurple Pill Woman8 points9 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

If a guy takes time out of their day to attempt to talk to me in public, pays me a compliment, or just generally notices me, I assume that the reasonings for their actions are not innocent. Same for dudes messaging me on multiplayer games. All of the times this has happened it has not been innocent, or out of friendship. The people I approach are always the ones who don't do this, and the people I do not approach have always had alternative motives than "friendship".

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So do you make the moves if there is a guy you like? Or do you expect a guy to make the first moves whilst at the same time thinking that expressing an interest in someone is not innocent?

[–]UtahRaptorCatPurple Pill Woman4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh I make the move first. I'm huge on the no games thing, and I'm a female aspie, so unless the signs point to them not liking me, I go for it.

[–]rachaellefler6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I'm also a female aspie, I tend to be very direct about my feelings and I initiate and ask guys out (or did, currently in a monogamous lesbian LTR). I prefer to know where I stand exactly than to put up with childish games and hints.

[–]4gotOldU-nameAvoiding Kool-Aid as Much as Possible0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

If a guy takes time out of their day to attempt to talk to me in public, pays me a compliment, or just generally notices me, I assume that the reasonings for their actions are not innocent.

You either have a very jaded view of men, or an ego the size of an orbiting moon.

Who hurt you??

[–]UtahRaptorCatPurple Pill Woman5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Being an introvert hurt me </3 I'm not a super social person and prefer to keep to myself, I don't like unwanted attention. Is that so bad? And as you see, most women in this thread have a generally jaded view. We know how we're observed by men.

[–]4gotOldU-nameAvoiding Kool-Aid as Much as Possible2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Think again about the phrase "are not innocent".

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] -1 points0 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

That's fine. But it should be fair of me to assume the worst of women as well until they prove otherwise.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

What is "fair"? Make whatever assumptions you like about women. Why do you need women's permission?

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Because y'all seem to be vehemently against fucking men who have any hint of sexism in them. It's not hard to see that from all the backlash the red pill gets.

But no, I don't need permission.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Because y'all seem to be vehemently against fucking men who have any hint of sexism in them

Lol who is y'all? Have you seen the kind of men that actually get laid?

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes I've seen the type of men who get laid. What's your point?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sexist men get laid plenty. I have no idea what you're on about.

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're a woman right? Or a guy? I haven't seen much women admit that sexist men do in fact get laid regardless of their sexism.

But I don't disagree. However you'll find many claiming that they don't get laid. They do. They do...

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes I'm a woman. Stop listening to what people say and watch what they do. RP101

Or you can keep crying over the fact that women can tell when a guy's trying to fuck them and that's not faaaiiiirrrrr. Because that's all this post comes down to.

[–]UtahRaptorCatPurple Pill Woman4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Eh, I just don't like it when someone thinks that they're better than everyone else, which can be seen when the red pill calls women children. I'm not a child, I don't need to be hand fed, I don't want any random stranger's attention, and I can be just as efficient as any guy (except for physically, I'll give guys that). Even the Married red pills have problems, but I'm more partial to them than the twerpers. The red pill is sexual strategy, and some/many/the majority of women don't care to play manipulation games..

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

When women play hard to get, those are manipulation games. Nobody likes manipulation games.

[–]UtahRaptorCatPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That I can agree on you with

[–]katymarxPrairie Vole THOT5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Being hit on isn't even the "worst of men". It's not corollary to the time invested in building a relationship only to get ditched for a perceived higher value dude..

It happens quickly and transactional my, not that much thought goes into it and no strategy takes place. It's just something we don't want when we don't want it. But unless said man is being extremely aggressive it's not a judgement against them or an ego thing,it just means we don't want to engage w this stranger.

[–]UtahRaptorCatPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Go ahead if it floats your boat. If you go with AWALT though, does that only apply to girls you pursue though? For me, I don't think every man is like that, but that's why I turn the situation into my advantage, by pursuing the guy instead. Vetting also helps a ton, which would be your "until they prove otherwise."

[–]slicebypassThanos-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

If a guy takes time out of their day to attempt to talk to me in public, pays me a compliment, or just generally notices me, I assume that the reasonings for their actions are not innocent.

So, these men who are attracted to you are somehow bad for their desire? Not innocent you say? Interesting....

[–]UtahRaptorCatPurple Pill Woman5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah? It's super unwanted, and just because I'm a female doesn't mean I want this type of attention. It's insanely objectifying, and it can get predatory because I'm still fairly young.

[–]09f911029d7Purple Pill1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You said you'd want to initiate instead.

How would that be any better? Isn't that also objectifying?

[–]UtahRaptorCatPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't initiate to get sex. I vet out people who look exclusively for sex. I do not view my partner as someone who should give me sex whenever I want. I go after partners who treat me equally and give me companionship. If I initiated to only get sex, I could have roped in way more guys, but I don't want to? I'm not into that.

[–]meomeowmeoww 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

Well, are you talking to a woman because you can SEE that she's so intelligent from LOOKING at the size of her forehead or something?

[–]Blesss2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

deleted What is this?

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ok.

And we all know why women leave men and/or cheat. AWALT.

Sexism is ok as long as it's ok for everyone.

[–]Ofourkind12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men cheat just as often as women

So, APALT

[–]09f911029d7Purple Pill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I think if you accept AWALT or YesAllMen, then you'd have to accept APALT too if you're not a hypocrite.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Unless you're a man who literally has his wife and kids right next to him, a nice grandpa type elderly man, there's no reason to assume you're just "chatting up" a woman.

[–]flamingoinghomeIs three lizards in trench coat3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Because "chatting up" i.e. going over to a random stranger to talk with them, IS part of a cultural script for hitting on someone. This is like saying "why do you assume that everyone who walks into a supermarket is looking to buy food?"

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You can't say "Lovely weather we're having?" anymore without a woman automatically thinking you wanna bang her?

Women have dirty minds!

[–]flamingoinghomeIs three lizards in trench coat3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Literally nobody but you thinks offhand comments about the weather count as "chatting up".

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women do. Any man who talks them wants to fuck in their eyes. I could be asking for directions to the nearest Starbucks and you'd STILL think I wanna fuck.

[–]flamingoinghomeIs three lizards in trench coat4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When you read the phrase "chatting up" you either know its connotations, your English needs work, or you're being disingenuous.

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[–]reeearnakedchokereeeee2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Did you really need to put "Watch what they do not what they say" in so many words?

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What do you mean

[–]Taipanshimshonhere for the downvotes1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why not ? Most guys wouldn't kick the average girl out of bed

The reverse is not true

[–]robertfrostt0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Are we talking chatting in bars or clubs? Or everyday activities? That would be detrimental information here.

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In general

[–]Rally88890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So context matters as someone pointed out. At least in the metro I'm in, I assume any one of either gender who approaches me wants something because specifically trying to start a conversation out of nowhere is unusual otherwise. I usually first eye to see if they have a petition clipboard if it's on the street. I have no idea if that's how all women think, but we're all living in a world that is increasingly isolating in interaction. I'd be surprised if men in my area generally also didn't feel that way when a stranger approaches.

Now if it something with more context or like just a quick joke, then no. Like once, the guy at the table next to me and I witnessed a third table's couple fight. After they left, we sighed together and talked a bit. That's something where the environment really led to a natural interaction between strangers in my experience.

While places where people are all friendly and chatty are nice, it just isn't where I live.

[–]jessicaannpin0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I can’t imagine why any man wouldn’t want to fuck me. I’m me, duh.

AWALT is usually used to endorse some kind of sexist sentiment.

[–]top_footballer0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Were you being facetious?

I used to have this line of thinking (M40s) but grew to realise we're all fuckable to someone.

[–]jessicaannpin0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wait what

[–]top_footballer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I don't know? Thought you were kidding, all good.

Yeah, the second part of my first reply to you relates my experience with your original line of thinking.

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like your attitude. I feel the same about myself. Any woman who doesn't wanna fuck me is crazy.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

men have proven to be that way. hell, they even admit it themselves on social media.

unless they want her for sex, they won't approach.

[–]imjgaltstill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The hamster wheel

[–]Nobodykers0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women talk more often to me as a means of chatting me up than the other way around. So i dont see why men and women can't chat, it literally happens all the time. The "i have a boyfriend" phrase is way more rare than the internet lets you believe.

And when it happens, why care so much.

[–]NaturalQueer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Unless someone wants to ask me for help. I just don't really want to talked to people in random public places. Like the bus is for traveling I have to be here but that doesn't mean I want to chat. I never assume anything unless it seems obvious, sometimes I work in my fiance just so we are on the same page because if you don't then later they might accuse you of leading them on. But I don't say "hey I have a fiance" I will just mentation it if they asked what I am up to today or how my weekend was ect. In the end for women it's better safe than sorry.

[–]onion_breathed_lover 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Women started the "All men are rapists" wayyyy before AWALT was even a thought.

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Also women will only meet men in public places, as when you talk to a woman, if you don't wanna fuck her, you wanna kill her first.

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Double standard for sure.

[–]PaintingOfJoan 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

All men like rape though so

[–]cutesymonsterman-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you think you're talking normally to a female and she still tells you that, you're being a creep and you don't even know it.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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