Serial killers and women.

Nevidimka- · 2019-06-25T21:03:17+00:00

Idk about the podcasts and shows, but I dont care for the love letters actual serial killers get. People get all worked up about it but these guys stories go all over the world, easily 10 million women will read about them so it's only natural they get a few dozen love letters. There will always be a % of crazy.

Ofourkind · 2019-06-25T21:22:09+00:00

High profile female criminals also get love letters, marriage proposals, and offers for help from weird dudes. I don't know that there's much to analyze there. There's no shortage of lonely mentally ill people who want to connect to a "celebrity", no matter what they're famous for.

As far as crime docs and such, those are just interesting. I'm not a huge fan of true crime stuff, but I do get into it occasionally. I also find docs about war and natural disasters interesting. I don't think that means I'm sadistic.

Claiming that finding serial killers interesting means you condone evil deeds is like claiming that enjoying certain video games makes you violent.

decoy88 · 2019-06-25T22:05:22+00:00

I have a theory is that women on average are exposed to less violence throughout their life than men are, in all it’s forms.

Making violence more mysterious. The fascination with the emotions that drive a person to want to hurt or kill another human being.

Where this mystery isn’t quite the same for most men. Most dudes can relate to the feeling of wanting to physically punch someone in the face, we’ve all been there, women less used to that atmosphere find violence really cool (or at least the emotions behind it).

rus9384 · 2019-06-25T21:12:52+00:00

I have always loved the serial killer, investigative discovery shit growing up. It’s more of a morbid curiosity and, tbh, I fantasize more about what I would do as a killer, rather than boning one.

The desire some women have for serial killers can probably quite easily be summed up by mental disorder and desperation for attention. Nothing more.

FlavFal · 2019-06-25T21:24:44+00:00

Both men and women are into these things. See Yuka Takaoka as a recent example of men adoring a criminal woman.

You see more women with this behavior simply because there are more violent men than violent women out there.

I've personally always wanted to be the serial killer, not to fuck one.

meomeowmeoww · 2019-06-25T22:00:00+00:00

I enjoyed serial killers and stuff because I had a fascination with murder and killing. and how they did it I do t particularly care for the person who did it.i cant really remember the names of the people in the docus I've watched. I can describe what theyve done though. I suppose women would enjoy reading about things they are physically incapable of pulling off themselves.

I have heard that the women who write love letters are a bit mental themselves and enjoy the fact they know where their love interest is pretty much 24 hours a day.

billybones11 · 2019-06-25T22:35:27+00:00

My wife enjoys watching about serial killers. It's not their actual deeds that she finds interesting (she doesnt give a shit about that either way), its the psychology of the killer. She seems to harbor this fantasy or teenage girl-like daydream of having an EXTREME bad boy who will kill and maim people that aren't her, but is loyal to her. Its the same fantasy you'll find in teenage girl fiction where the main character is a vampire/werewolf (Twilight), sociopathic millionaire (50 Shades), or some other form of barely restrained, dangerous heel.

We watched that Ted Bundy thing on Netflix together, and I noted that the story was mostly about the wife and her relationshit with this wackadoodle, in which she was portrayed as a kind of martyr-saint-good girl archetype with no guilt or hand in anything, and Bundy was slavishly devoted to her and constantly calling, trying to break out and get back together with her.

There was a distinct element of like... catering to the female audience and scratching that fantasy itch that I describe.

I say all this to point out that this is by no means a BoTh GenDerS thing. While female serial killers get some attention from weirdo men, by the numbers its nothing compared to the attention someone like Bundy or Ramirez, who are passably good looking, get from women. The lust and fantasizing or at least fascination some women have for these dudes has to do with the all-too-common female attraction for the bad boy or rebel. And while detestable, serial killers do tend to fit this mold.

And before anyone asks, yes I did briefly consider going full Bundy to deal with my dead bedroom, but realized the tradeoff wouldnt be worth it. Starfish sex sucks anyway, so if I was going to go that route I may as well just fuck the victims instead. It was a clarifying thought experiment at least.

ThorLives · 2019-06-26T05:29:07+00:00

I think you'll find that women will downplay how much it happens, or suggest that men do it just as often (which I doubt). Some of these "fangirls" are creepy, as well - I'm sure they are disproportionately social outcasts and weirdos. But, I think it does go back to the fact that the "bad boy" is a fantasy, and there's also some overlap between the traits of a sexually attractive male and a serial killer (he's dangerous, he's tough, he's dark and brooding, he's a bad boy, she can "fix" him, the danger is exciting just like a rape fantasy is "exciting"). There's not much overlap between a sexually attractive female and a female serial killer. I'm sure you'd find that there's a genre of romance novels that involve male convicts, as well.

For women: the reason this issue gets revisited from time to time is because good guys - guys who "play by the rules" and are told that being a good guy will help them in the dating game, but aren't doing as well as they'd like - find it super annoying to see the worst men get rewarded with female attention and interest.

To put things in perspective - both in terms of how common this is, and also the fact that some of these women are creepy, too - a few of them creeped out the serial killers:

While on trial and in prison, Bundy also received hundreds of letters from female ‘groupies’.

While incarcerated Ramirez received thousands of letters from female fans, many including pictures of themselves nude.

Perhaps even more unbelievably Josef Fritzl, who imprisoned his daughter as a sex slave for 24 years in a purpose built cellar, was sent hundreds of love letters after his arrest.

In romantic fiction the hero is often an alpha male, a strong, dominant ‘bad boy’ who lacks empathy. Plots revolve around turning the hero into somebody who has compassion but still retains the alpha characteristics the heroine was attracted to in the first place. Serial killers are the ultra version of alpha males.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10665003/Murderous-love-Why-are-so-many-women-aroused-by-serial-killers.html

Ted Bundy, the serial killer and rapist who ended at least 30 lives, got hundreds of letters from female fans while he was in prison. One woman named Janet, though, was so enthusiastic that she even managed to creep Ted Bundy out. When she started showing up at his trials, even Bundy got nervous. He wrote a letter to his wife, Carole, telling her to stop letting Janet sit near her so that he wouldn’t have to look at her. “There she sits contemplating me with her mad eyes like a deranged seagull studying a clam,” Bundy wrote. “I can feel her spreading hot sauce on me already.”

After white supremacist and mass murderer Dylann Roof opened fire on a church in Charleston in 2016, he got such a massive following of female fans online that they even came up with a name for themselves: “roofies.” One woman got his name tattooed beneath her breasts and kept a whole blog where she bragged about the love letters she’d sent him

“I hope you’re okay James,” begins one woman’s letter to James Holmes. “You’re all I think about. You’re all I think about. I actually had a dream about you, haha. I gave you a hand massage!” It was one of literally thousands of cards that James Holmes received after opening fire on a crowded theater in Colorado and murdering 12 people in 2012. She’d enclosed a picture of herself—but that was hardly abnormal. Holmes has received so many pictures from admiring girls that he has a wall full of them.

Richard Ramirez got so many letters from fans that he had his own stationary made with “NightStalker” emblazoned across the top of the page. He got all kinds of letters. He got letters from teenage girls and adult women alike and even ended up marrying one of his admirers while he was in prison. But the most disturbing story has to be the one about Cindy Haden, the Night Stalker admirer who was on his jury... After weeks of batting eyes at the serial killer with a pentagram on his hand, Haden brought Ramirez a plate full of cupcakes with the message “I love you” written on top... She was still convinced, though, that she’d met her one true love.

Josef Fritzl kept his own daughter locked in a cellar for 24 years. While she was trapped in his home, he repeatedly abused her and used her as a sex slave, fathering seven children through rape before she finally managed to escape.He was about as horrible as a human being could be. And yet, when he got caught, hundreds of women sent him love letters. They wrote that they knew he was “good at heart,” with at least one woman telling Fritzl she was sure that he’d only locked up and sexually abused his daughter to keep her from getting into trouble. Fritzl’s cellmate recalled that he would get dozens of love letters. He said that he remembered being deeply disturbed by a picture Fritzl showed him. It was sent in by a female fan, who had posed for him next to a masked man, acting out a rape fantasy and sending it into a convicted rapist.

Ian Brady, with the help of his girlfriend Myra Hindley, molested and murdered five children in the 1960s. But when he died of cancer in prison in 2017, a whole group of women went out onto the Internet acting like they’d lost their soul mate.“Oh my God, I just heard about Ian. This is the worst day ever,” one wrote. She showed off a picture of the tattoos that she had on her arms. The names “Ian,” “Myra,” “Jeff [Dahmer],” and “Ted [Bundy]” had been permanently inked onto her flesh.

Anders Breivik, the white supremacist who massacred 77 people in Norway with pipe bombs and an assault rifle in 2011, receives at least 800 letters per year, most of them from female admirers.During his trial, a 16-year-old girl begged him to marry her, while a Swedish woman named Victoria has gotten on the news for declaring herself his one true love. She’s told the world that she loves Breivik so much that, in her words: “I really wouldn’t want to live a life without him.”

Jeffrey Dahmer isn’t just a killer. He raped, murdered, and dismembered the bodies of 17 boys, often even cannibalizing and desecrating their corpses after they were dead. And yet, for some reason, he was so popular with the ladies that in 1993 alone, his admirers sent him $12,000 to help him buy things in prison.A large chunk of that money came from one single fan in London, who was so enchanted by the stories of him desecrating young boys’ bodies that she sent him $5,920.

There’s a Facebook community with 300 members called “Nikolas Cruz — the First Victim.”[9] It’s a group of women who are in love with the Parkland High School shooter, where they share ideas on how they can help him and make photo collages of the mass murderer with hearts around his head.... She’d sent him a suggestive picture showing off her body. “I’m really skinny,” she told Cruz, “and have 34C sized breasts.”She was hardly the only one who did it. Another woman sent him a whole collection of pictures, with one showing her sucking a Popsicle in a bikini and another just showing a close-up shot of her breasts.“In my 40 years as public defender, I’ve never seen this many letters to a defendant,” Cruz’s public defender, Howard Finklestein, has said.

Veronica Compton was so inspired by the rapes and murders of Kenneth Bianchi, the Hillside Strangler, that she wrote a play about it. It was called The Mutilated Cutter, and she sent it to the serial killer in the hopes of catching his eye. [After Compton was caught and convicted of attempted murder, while trying to copy his murders.] Compton got love letters of her own. A man named James Wallace started writing love letters to her while she was in prison and even ended up leaving his wife of 37 years for her—all for the love of a monster.

https://listverse.com/2018/06/04/10-creepy-fan-letters-written-to-mass-murderers-and-monsters/

Bayard20 · 2019-06-25T21:07:31+00:00

I know where this is going, and no, just no, ok? Enough of this.

Women weren't writing love letters to Ted Bundy because he was a serial killer - they wrote him because he was hot. Ever wondered why John Wayne Gacy didn't get the same amount of love as good ol' Ted did? Google image his mugshot and you'll find out.

ThisIsJustATr1bute · 2019-06-25T21:11:44+00:00

That’s weird because Reddit is mostly male and it’s on the main subreddits where I see constant comments that such criminals are “so fascinating”.

I think these criminals are boring losers and we shouldn’t care about them other than stopping them.

Orange_Paisley · 2019-06-25T21:15:17+00:00

I love watching those shows but I love watching Deadly Women the most. Don’t know what PPD would make of that. And I don’t swoon over the killers - I consider it akin to enjoying watching horror movies, except the monsters are real.

Emervila · 2019-06-25T21:28:33+00:00

Netflix tapes on Ted Bundy was the same even considering he is a women serial killer. It depends on how attractive they are, those women are just bonkers but there's tendency, Jeremy Meeks was the same. If men think with their dicks women think with their pussy as simple as that

KikiYuyu · 2019-06-25T23:05:14+00:00

I'm fascinated by serial killers. They're human beings with basically the same makeup as me. Just like me they were born an innocent little baby. I want to understand how a human becomes an absolute monster.

As for the women who are in love with them, they're clearly sick. Maybe they think being valued by someone who doesn't value human life is the ultimate validation. Maybe they think they can fix them with love. Either way, it's a complete mistake to consider these women as representative of women in general.

Isolated_Aura · 2019-06-25T23:08:21+00:00

I watch shows and read books about serial killers at times. Most of the women I know who do this, like me, do it out of a desire to understand what goes through the minds of killers, how they behave in their daily life, and why/how they target certain individuals. I see it as a protective strategy to learn about these people, in the hopes that I can avoid encountering one in my daily life. I also find the psychology behind the process of profiling and catching killers to be interesting.

SmurfESmurferson · 2019-06-26T01:30:56+00:00

I have multiple family members who have died violent deaths. Including my maternal grandmother, whose murder is a semi-famous cold case decades after it happened

I also live very close to Sandy Hook, and know someone who died there as well as first responders still scarred from that day

I’m fascinated by the psychology of everyone involved - the killers, their families (esp Dennis Radars kids). Victims families, first responders, witnesses

It’s a recurring theme in my life

rachaellefler · 2019-06-26T03:16:29+00:00

I think it's not that they're dangerous, the opposite. It gives women a sense of security to know that the man they're with is capable of fighting off other men. We had a violent past as a species. It would make sense to have that instinct. What you will hear women say as a big complement to men they like is "I feel safe with you".

jkonrad · 2019-06-26T05:04:35+00:00

This raises an interesting question. Did the murders committed by incels get them more attention from women than they had seen before?

[deleted] · 2019-06-26T08:28:16+00:00

It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again

Serial killers definitely have that edge that make many women feel alive. They don't know if they'll be alive tomorrow but that surge of emotions is to die for. Better than some boring Jim from accounting... yawn

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2019-06-25T21:13:15+00:00

I dont understand it myself, I like mafia killers, criminals and warlords, serial killers are sexless and gross. Police procedural is boring

Barneysparky · 2019-06-25T21:20:44+00:00

Cop shows are a male demographic.

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Spurius85 · 2019-06-25T22:25:33+00:00

Huh, I had not realized that Manson died. Last I heard he got married. Man I am out of touch.

lefactorybebe · 2019-06-25T23:24:48+00:00

I find serial killers interesting, I have since I was a kid (or pre-teen, idk, whenever you learn they exist.) There was absolutely never anything sexual about my interest in them. It's more about the psychology, like what drives a person to think of these horrific, awful, things, and what makes them want to go out and do them. It's like a morbid fascination, almost like looking at a car wreck you can't take your eyes away from. It's terrible and awful, but you're interested in it at the same time.

Girls who write these dudes letters are a huge minority and are obviously not in a normal mental state.

stonedkyuby · 2019-06-25T23:46:14+00:00

I mean Yuka Takaoka literally had men fawning over her, making fanart of her and trying to pay her bail. It's more the natural consequence of people's attractions to the scary and the strange and an inability to tell fantasy from reality. If more women were serial killers and murderers, we'd see more men sending them love letters and shit

SweetLikeTupeloHoney · 2019-06-25T23:47:21+00:00

I always enjoyed the TV show Criminal Minds but it was for the psychology of the show and I always wanted the good guys to win. I'm just curious how their wiring can be so messed up. To fall in love with one of the killers has to be mental illness. Maybe incredibly low self-esteem and a desire to be treated bad? Another idea might be a strong desire to change them - to make them better men?

wotsittoyou · 2019-06-26T00:02:20+00:00

The vast majority of people (both male and female) who consume the true crime genre of various different sorts of media have no desire to have their lives impacted by the criminals who are being focused on. The attraction to that genre is all about placating the instinct that there is something out there, something threatening, and you'd better pay it some damn attention and know where it is and what it is about before it pays you attention or you're a goner. The overwhelming majority of people watching true crime are doing it for completely opposite reasons to the reasons why the small proportion of people who attempt to become intimate with such individuals do what they do.

I suggest that this instinct to examine and understand deviant behavior fits in with a bunch of other instincts that have served us very well as a species. The instinct to gather around a random corpse that has been discovered and ascertain who it is and why they are dead. The instinct to examine any sores or blemishes on our bodies and work out what they are. The instinct to work out exactly what went wrong with things such as relationships, families, financial dealings and gossip like heck about that stuff.

Shadow_Of_ · 2019-06-26T00:10:22+00:00

Serial killers who only targetted women are pathetic if they had any sort of nuts, they would go after professional fighters and special forces.

vincewife · 2019-06-26T02:10:07+00:00

For me it’s a 1. response to trauma and 2. learning about what I’m scared of in a way to protect myself. With regard to point 2, when I was seven I went through periods where I learned everything about aliens and tornadoes, respectively, and I binge read books about them and binge watched shows. This is because I was bizarrely really afraid of those things from like 7-10.

matrixpush · 2019-06-26T02:31:18+00:00

So this topic is allowed...but my topic about "blue vs green text bubbles" & how that affects the perception of prospective partners (given most millennials used apple) is somehow NOT allowed.

I'm not a red-piller, but this is some CLOWN WORLD stuff.

PrehistoricPrincess · 2019-06-26T03:25:48+00:00

I don't think it's about attractiveness. Everyone--my friends, my boyfriend, etc.--know that I am fascinated by serial killer bio pics and interviews, etc. But I don't find serial killers sexually attractive--I would say I just have a morbid fascination with how you can do something so evil without any sense of guilt, etc.--and what drives someone to commit such a crime. The vast majority of women who are interested in the serial killer "genre" or "theme" aren't attracted to them. It's just kind of like a real life mystery/horror. Honestly I don't know why more men aren't interested in it.

theevilhillbilly · 2019-06-26T05:12:17+00:00

As a woman who loves learning about criminals and crime, not everyone fascinated by the subject loves the criminals. Most of the time, I think criminals are wrong.

For me, it's like studying psychology, ethics, and laws. I like learning about what people did and why they did it. I like to put myself in their shoes and think about whether I would do the same.

iLiveInAHologram · 2019-06-26T05:24:33+00:00

I don’t think it’s attraction. I feel like it’s because women are usually the bulk of the victims of serial killers. So there’s a fascination in learning about them. It’s taboo and dark.

ChiefBobKelso · 2019-06-26T06:21:54+00:00

Being interested in serial killers is normal because they're interesting. They're so far on the extreme. Being sexually attracted to them is the weird part. The term is hybristophilia - A paraphilia in which a person is sexuoerotically attracted to a person who has committed an outrage or a gruesome crime. You should ignore the people, saying it happens equally between the sexes, because I don't think that's even true, and they're still forgetting just how much more attention regular women get than men. Women are attracted to dangerous men, and a serial killer is just the very extreme of that. Your average woman of course has no desire to date a violent psychopath, at least not one on the order of a serial killer like Ted Bundy or Richard Ramirez, but she does want a little bit of that violent cave man to trickle through the civilized exterior of the men she is attracted to on occasion.

pnadlerlaw · 2019-06-26T16:17:55+00:00

Mmm ... because he just looks like the kind of man who is going to grab you, pin you down and fuck you hard ... right before he cuts your throat open or beats your face with a blunt heavy object.

robertfrostt · 2019-06-26T16:24:43+00:00

It's because the serial killers that do get love letters, display a strong sense of rebellion and intention in their anti-establishment thought patterns. It's likely a woman's primal instinct to seek men who have the guts to do what they want.

Something I have noticed: The completely random shooters, such as the vegas shooter, and others where no real motive is seen or understood, don't seem to garner the love letters. It's ones more about their psychology, ted bundy, charles manson, etc, that draw the women.

Bntt89 · 2019-06-26T22:53:22+00:00

Women aren't attracted to serial killers they are attracted to hot dominate guys, all this shows is that women are as shallow as men.

bluehorserunning · 2019-06-27T05:05:37+00:00

It's a paraphilia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybristophilia

Tatchino · 2019-06-27T18:10:21+00:00

It's Bonnie-and-Clyde syndrome. It's actually a psychological thing. Men can get this too, just there are more cases of women. This is often caused by childhood trauma/bad experiences in your childhood.

It could also have something to do with evolutionary theory, because women feel protected by the serial killer, but at the same time see the Serial Killer as a little boy, who needs to be nurtured and protected. But it's most likely always Bonnie And Clyde syndrome nowadays.

Sorry, I'm not native english. Might not bring my point across.

Autistic_Reeeeeeeeee · 2019-06-26T01:09:51+00:00

Women don't understand their own mortality as well as men do.

This is probably the main reason they find desirable traits in undesirable people.

Also women mistake Anti Social behaviour for a desirable trait. Could be confidence, assertiveness or anything similar.

Most guys know especially when they have sisters or daughters what type of man they don't want hanging around them. Women don't see this in any significant capacity without experience but even as kids we know better than most grown women what type of men they should avoid.

If you were to ask your father or your brother what type of man you should pursue he would probably give you a better answer than anything you can think of.

The problem is you are not likely to take his advice especially if your in your teens with no experience.

Men catch onto other men pretty quickly. Women don't.

Some women are particularly perceptive but the vast majority are not.

MGTOWtoday · 2019-06-26T01:37:12+00:00

Serial killers are the baddest of the bad boys. It’s as simple as that.

762Rifleman · 2019-06-25T23:51:59+00:00

I've noticed that women, though they categorically as a class deny it, seem to actively select, prefer, fantastize, and enjoy violent men. This is a little crackpot, but let me explain. Soldiers? Violence. Cops? Violence. Gangsters? Violence. Most competitive sports? Violence. CEO's? Economic violence. Rape fantasy? Violence. Monsters? Violence. Dictators? Violence. Maybe it's that ape ancestor brain that wants the nastiest simian in the jungle, but there's way too much history of this stuff to deny.