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I see this in a few different forms and want to hear others’ POV on why this belief is held.

Here are some of the forms I see this claim:

  • outright. Women do not enjoy sex. Any sex they engage in is to gain something from a man, usually in a monetary sense. Women do not masturbate. They lie about it.
  • women only enjoy sex as a way to get attention and validation from attractive men. They may confuse this longing for attention as sexual desire but they are wrong... or lying. (This is often used as a reason that women “liking” a sex act doesn’t matter; if she like a man enough she will literally perform any sex act.)
  • women do not desire sex like men therefore they do not desire or enjoy sex at all. Lacking spontaneous male desire means said desire is not “real” or “pure.”

So what’s the deal? Why is this being claimed? Is this simply the truth of unattractive men? Women don’t enjoy sex with them so they cannot fathom women engaging with men in other ways? Is this men simply insisting that women are broken men and lacking male sex drive is a defect?


[–][deleted] 67 points68 points  (76 children) | Copy Link

To cope with the fact women just don’t enjoy sex with them, or don’t actively try to have it with them? It’s easier to say that that an entire gender is just wired different and doesn’t enjoy something, rather than to admit that you’re just not the person they want to do it with.

That being said I really don’t see this get thrown around here that much; maybe it was a big thing in the past but I just don’t see it enough to where I feel an entire thread needs to be made about it. I will say that men say that women don’t enjoy casual sex, but many women here have admitted that to be generally true.

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy3 points4 points  (63 children) | Copy Link

lol I mean it’s just so tryhardy and “I’m a cool girl too” when girls try to say they like sex as much as men do

[–]MySweetBitch30 points31 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

You're basically claiming that women who claim to love sex are just trying to act cool to impress you. Meanwhile there's plenty of women out there who truly love sex. But with the attitude you have you're not going to get to enjoy that fact.

[–]HossMcDankEdgy Centrist4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

That's not what he said. He said they do not have anywhere near the sex drive men do, which is objectively true. Otherwise his attitude wouldn't matter.

[–]frustrationlvl1006 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

An important part you’re both missing is that that’s on average. Most men have a much higher sex drive than women do, but there are exceptions to this as it is an average and we all exist on a spectrum of sexual desire.

[–]HossMcDankEdgy Centrist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Except in some cases, such as this one, the exceptions are so rare that they might as well not exist.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And even then most of what little is there is sublimated to doing things like reading 50 shades with a glass of wine in one hand and the other down the front of her pants, not having sex with ew, like gross, like, the average guy.

[–]KondijoteDark Red Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women’s sex drives go up when a highly sexually attractive man is present.

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To be fair I see this argument play out among women on social media very regularly. Women who want or enjoy sex love putting down women who don't and use heavy helpings of social shaming any time the discussion comes up.

It can't be that some people like it more than others and the spectrum of human instinct is bad. Anyone who has a different experience than you has to be a failed human apparently.

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I do just fine

“You’re an incel if you believe that” is just weak argumentation with a side of virtue signaling

[–]reluctantly_red-1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

there's plenty of women out there who truly love sex.

Yes there are! One of them just moved in. She cooks too.

[–]Barneysparky9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

From your post history I'm going to conclude she is cooking meth.

[–]reluctantly_red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cooking somebody's books maybe -- she's an accountant with an MBA.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Go easy Red.

[–]reluctantly_red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Never been the cautious type.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Next divorce in 3... 2... 1...

[–]reluctantly_red2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Since there's nothing left to take I have to assume this one actually likes me.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ha. Since she’s an accountant, you can rest assured that she knows it, too! ; )

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can she cook at her own place?

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 13 points14 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Who is claiming women like sex as much or in exactly the same way men do? I even address that in my OP.

[–]TheReformist941 point2 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

If women don't like sex as much as men why the hell has the avg woman got a much a higher n count than the avg man, and having notch counts of 20 jd fucking around on tinder? I've seriously seen the boredom of women's eyes when they are in LTRs after about a year.

[–]HossMcDankEdgy Centrist10 points11 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Women have higher n counts because men have higher sex drives and thus women can basically get laid on demand.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, most women who have higher n counts rack up the numbers unintentionally, because they keep sleeping with men who won’t commit to them. But that’s not their preference.

[–]HossMcDankEdgy Centrist2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That too.

[–]CosmicBioHazard1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

but if they don’t like it why bother?

[–]HossMcDankEdgy Centrist7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Wanting something less =/= disliking something

[–]CosmicBioHazard-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

fair, I'm just thinking main topic of the thread is the claim that they don't like it at all; which I disagree with on the grounds that men generally prefer women without much of an N count, yet women go out and rack one up anyway.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Very few men actually say that. What PemmyLame is doing is taking what men are saying, which is that women don't like it much and only with top tier men and turning it onto "so what you're saying is, women don't even masturbate, huh? That they NEVER get tingles in their clits? That they don't have days when they feel like they're sitting on a water fountain?"

Because that's so much easier to make people mock it than what these men are actually saying. Typical female trick.

For an example, watch Cathy Newman go "So what you're saying is (totally misrepresented restatement of what he said)" for about 30 minutes in that famous interview with Jordan Peterson.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Why do you think you have to come with all kinds of game, buy all kinds of things, invest time, energy, money, and status into convincing her to do it with you? Because left to her own devices, the average woman is not interested in the average man. She's barely interested in the top 20%, she could have Jason Momoa right there and he'd still have to have a great personality and money.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Lmao no. Men like Jason Momoa need to just show up and not be creepy in order to get laid. They don’t need money, and they need an average personality, at best.

I’ve been on first dates with guys like that, and the entire time I’m thinking, “please don’t start running your mouth because I really want to fuck you tonight.” A guy like Jason Momoa needs to say/do something truly heinous to lose a lay. Anything less, and women will give him a pass (at least temporarily).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Men like Jason Momoa need to just show up and not be creepy in order to get laid

Soooooooooo a great personality then

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You seriously think that “not creepy” is sufficient for a man to achieve a “great personality”??

“Great personality” for men requires a careful balance of witty banter, playful sexuality, unwavering comfort, and a hint of unpredictability. No easy feat!

But Jason Momoa can get by with mostly keeping his mouth shut. Women will excuse his lack of engagement by labelling him as the “strong, silent type.”

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who are they in LTR’s with?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If women don't like sex as much as men why the hell has the avg woman got a much a higher n count than the avg man

Because women have sex for any of a number of reasons. To try and get Chad, to try and keep Chad, to piss off a rival girl, to start drama, because she wants free meals, etc.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What does “20 jd” mean?

[–]TheReformist940 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

*20 notch count and fucking around on tinder.

It's hard to keep women in LTRs and not fuck around.

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They don't have to do anything to have sex. They don't have to put a razor to their necks and shave off any neckbeards. They can order men like pizza or find one at a bar within an hour.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

They clearly don't. Why is this a problem, though?

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I didn’t say it was a problem. You are the one who has a flaming issue with female sexuality.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

How can you have a problem with something that doesn't exist?

You might as well be telling me I have issues with the way Voldemort was a Hugglepuff or whatever.

[–]sugarcurious 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yup. This post was made exactly for you. Just stop. It’s just kind of pathetic how ignorant it is at this point.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She mentioned I was one of the people she wrote this about. Just saying.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I guess. I will say there are plenty of women who do actually enjoy having casual sex, but they only enjoy that casual sex with a certain type of person.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

What type of person? (I agree with you, I’m just curious to know if your answer matches mine!)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

It’s whatever type of person they are very sexually attracted to. For a vast vast vast majority of women, it’s Chad. I say vast majority and not “all women” because someone is gonna come here and say “well actually, one time I hooked up with a short balding dude”. I’m aware that I can’t group every single woman into wanting the same thing, but it’s fair to say that Chads are the kind of men most women are looking to casually hook up with and enjoy hooking up with.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

My answer is close, but slightly different from yours. Women want to have casual sex with Comfort Chad.

A close cousin of Regular Chad, Comfort Chad is adept at making a woman feel like he’s Chad only on the surface. Comfort Chad signals that although he COULD be out having casual sex with hot girls, he’s “not that kinda guy.” But he feels such a passionate spark and emotional connection with her, that he just has to have her right now. But don’t worry, it’s not casual sex, even though they just met — it can’t be casual sex, because Comfort Chad doesn’t DO casual sex! He needs to feel a connection to want to have sex with a woman. And can’t she feel the connection between them as strongly as he can?

Rinse & repeat, ad nauseam.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but does Comfort Chad look like Chad?

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yes. That’s the whole point.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ah, well either way it all comes down to how you look. That’s what I was implying.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Not entirely. Most women will turn down casual sex even with the hottest Chad if he gives off a pump and dump vibe.

Comfort Chad knows this. That’s why he’s Comfort Chad!

[–]Orange_PaisleyOrange pill is best pill5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Those of us who can have multiple orgasms like it more.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some girls do this. Others (like me) feel erased by the dogma that women don’t enjoy sex for the sake of sex. We’re just trying to point out that highly sexual women DO exist. I mainly do this so that other women like me don’t feel like they are shameful freaks of nature. I remember feeling this way as a young woman with a high a sex drive, and hearing from women who were like me helped me get past it and accept myself and my sexual nature.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You know how a commercial will say that something is "free, call now?" and then you hear someone talking REALLY fast at the end and there's an entire page of 4 pt. text that takes up the entire screen and it's on for half a second? And if you were able to pause it it would say something like

"Free" refers to (long blah blah legalese text) with agreement to service plan of $129.99 a month for the first five years, and $1949.99 a month for the next ten years after that. Shipping and handling not included. Some assembly required. Does not include taxes or regulatory fees.... etc. etc. etc.

Would any SANE person go "well, that's why you want my credit card I guess. It's not free after all. Which is why you put it in quotes." Yes, yes they would.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

ding ding

[–]ThorLivesSkeptical Purple Pill Man1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

To cope with the fact women just don’t enjoy sex with them, or don’t actively try to have it with them? It’s easier to say that that an entire gender is just wired different and doesn’t enjoy something, rather than to admit that you’re just not the person they want to do it with.

That sounds like you're trying to shame men who make the claim that women like sex less than men. OP is stating the claim in an extreme way ("that women cannot or do not enjoy sex") which is obviously false. But, yes, it's a common belief that women don't enjoy sex as much as men.

There's plenty of evidence for this, and I feel like this has been talked about many times on PPD.

First, there's the fact that men masterbate more than women. Chart: https://i.huffpost.com/gen/1834398/thumbs/o-MASTURBATE-IS-GREAT-570.jpg Jumping to the 18-24 age range, we can see that 36% of women and 18% of men say they haven't masterbated in the last year. Meanwhile, 10% of women and roughly 40% of men say that they masterbate 2 or more times/week.

Second, we should all be well aware of the fact that gay men and lesbian women have very different sex lives. Lesbians suffer from "lesbian bed death":

"Only about one-third of lesbians in relationships of 2 years or longer had sex once a week or more; 47% of lesbians in long-term relationships had sex once a month or less, and among heterosexual married couples, only 15% had sex once a week or less. They also reported that lesbians seemed to be more limited in the range of their sexual techniques than did other couples, and that lesbian couples are less sexual as couples and as individuals than anyone else."

In contrast, I've heard plenty of crazy stories about gay men having lots of hookups, bath-house sex, sex in public parks with strangers, and even orgies.

"The median respondent to their 1970's San Francisco Bay Area survey reported more than 250 partners. Only 17 percent of their Bay Area respondents (p. 308) reported fewer than 50 partners in their lives. 60 percent reported 100 or more. 28 percent reported a thousand or more" - http://www1.cmc.edu/pages/faculty/welliott/Sexrevns.htm

Similar studies have shown that, in relationships, gay men have the highest frequency of sex, heterosexual couples have a moderate amount, and lesbians have the least.

"Among couples in the first two years of their relationships, 67 percent of gay couples, 45 percent of heterosexual couples, and 33 percent of lesbian couples had sex three times a week or more. The numbers drop off somewhat with time: for couples who had been together 10 years or longer, 11 percent of the gay couples, 18 percent of the heterosexual couples, and 1 percent of the lesbian couples were having sex that often." https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-passion-paradox/201206/the-ins-and-outs-sexual-frequency

I'd also recommend looking up the paper "Sexual Economics: Sex as female resource", which goes over a variety of similar data - for example, pointing out that men are less successful at celibacy than women are (e.g. priests are less successful at celibacy than nuns are).

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some interesting statistics here. But I wasn’t trying to shame men at all, I’m a man. However i felt like the only men who say women don’t like sex are the ones who just aren’t getting laid, or the ones who women just don’t want to have sex with and just have maintenance sex every now and again.

I’ll read some of these articles in detail when I actually have time to do so, thanks for the info.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only 15% of heterosexual married couples have sex less once a week or less? And 18% of men ages 18-24 claim they haven’t masturbated in the past year? Uh....I’m going to call bullshit on this study.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

That sounds like you're trying to shame men who make the claim that women like sex less than men

Because women want men to keep showing up with flowers and presents and free meals and changing their tires in the driving rain when they bat their eyelids and getting out of speeding tickets with a couple of buttons getting undone on the blouse

The fact that we're wising up to just how dire and shitty sex really is, the costs involved, the risks involved, and so forth - is very much endangering a woman's innate ability to get a lot of free time, attention and resources with just the PROMISE of a whiff of fuckflap.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

What on earth is a fuckflap?? I’ve never heard this term before, and I thought I had pretty much heard it all!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

That meaty slit you have where your legs meet which I do not.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn’t “fuckslit” be more accurate, then?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nah it’s more flappy than slitty in most women

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe “fuckflaps” then? One flap makes me think of a cat flap.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I literally got quoted yesterday as saying women don't like sex the other day because I said that women don't get anything from being cum in. What I meant was that sex with a guy who's wrapped it, or gets me off but doesn't get off himself, is preferable to semen inside. Not that women don't like sex.

Yet this got grossly misinterpreted. I have to say I've seen it more here than anywhere else for sure!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

About two minutes from now you're going to be told that's not true because she enjoys being bukkaked like that infamous scene in Carrie, inflated with it like a tick.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

FWIW, I agree with you. I don’t think getting jizzed in enhances sex for a woman unless she’s got a cum fetish or is actively trying to get pregnant.

[–]Muse_asvhedu47 points48 points  (110 children) | Copy Link

I grew up on porn written for women, by women. Most of them had a unifying theme that I think a lot of PPD guys are missing - their partners put in a looooot of effort and consideration into making sure their partners orgasmed. A lot. There was a lot of emotion in the sex, too, and not just between people in LTR, but FWB one’s too.

I don’t think a lot of men realize that if a woman doesn’t get hers, of course she’s not going to enjoy sex with you.

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad13 points14 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

To be fair to men, I don't think any of my first couple of sexual girlfriends in high school gave even a clue about getting them off. I stumbled onto it by blind luck, enthusiasm, and plenty of opportunities to practice. Once I figured it out, the difference was immediate and perspective changing, but it certainly wasn't something I knew going in.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

This. The reason men say women don't like sex is because those men haven't figured out how to give her those toe curling, body shaking orgasms. Once you've experienced it, you aren't going to say you hate it. BUT, women give guys so little to work with and not many women are okay with teaching men how to be good lovers.

There's also the burden of performance men have. Take note how you had to stumble your way through sex and if it's done poorly, you failed. This is partially because the male ego would have all men believe they are sex gods, but also because men do want to please their partners. Women are not that generous that they're forgiving of men's poor sexual performances, not unless he's making it up elsewhere anyway. I suspect this is what guys see when they get starfish duty sex and claim women don't really like sex, when they actually don't like bad sex, especially if their partners are not that attractive.

Women have no idea what men must go through just to be good at sex. Some guys have to train their dicks so they don't orgasm too quickly and others have to take medication to stay erect for long enough while doing 90% of the work in the hopes she could squeeze out one good nut.

Women don't exactly care for all that. They want the complete product ready to roll and all she's got to do is lay there. That's like the opposite of 'sexually active'.

As to OP's point about women doing it to get something from men, unfortunately men cannot really tell when women use sex as a tool/trade/form of manipulation unless she makes a deal with him. So once he's been taken advantage of, he's not going to believe other couples can have a good sex life where the women look forward to sex with their partners.

it certainly wasn't something I knew going in.

Hehe

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You are assuming all women just starfish though, this ain't the case.

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Star fishing women self-segregate to lower-tier men that have no other option. A cycle that perpetuates itself.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are assuming all women just starfish though, this ain't the case.

I didn't say all women. I added a condition that when men see that they're getting starfish sex and they get burned (maybe she's cheating), he assumes women use sex to get shit from men. I also said that men don't know when women choose to use sex as a tool as opposed to when it's used as an expression of desire.

A guy who is getting starfish isn't seeing that lustful side of his partner. If he doesn't know what her desirw looks like, he'll assume that women don't enjoy sex. Remember, he's the common denominator here so if women are giving him unenthusiastic sex, it's usually because he doesn't excite her enough.

[–]brokegradstudent_935 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s not that hard it’s just doing oral. Most women won’t orgasm without clitoral stimulation. It’s not really about how long you stay up (as long as it’s not super super short) it’s about going down on her and taking the time

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I get this but that's an argument about technique and preference. There are women who don't like oral or women who need hard thrusts to climax. But despite this, no woman really wants a man who orgasms after a couple of thrusts, even if he has great oral game.

Let's also not forget that women insult men for not lasting long enough. If only they'd try a strap on and have to thrust for 10mins or longer they'd realise the back breaking labour it takes to get them off. They'd be a lot more sympathetic about when he rolls over and passes out...

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Women have no idea what men must go through just to be good at sex.

Women's concept of sex is like men's concept of Christmas dinner. They don't understand the two weeks' of shopping and planning, the two days of cooking, the fact she's spending most of Christmas Day in the kitchen, and the mound of dishes afterwards. All men are thinking is "I hope she didn't dry out the turkey, or make succotash, there'd better be enough stuffing to go around and I hope she didn't buy cranberry sauce in a can, but I took off my church going pants and put on track pants because there's nothing better than gorging on turkey, roast potatoes, Brussels Sprouts, cranberry sauce, gravy, stuffing, purrrrr purrrrrrr purrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I agree with this. Men have so much to think about during sex. Even just stayed hard without coming to early is a feat in itself. We women don’t need to learn to exert control over our own arousal and orgasm as a pre-condition of pleasing our partner.

My experience with strap ons has also given me enormous appreciation for the athleticism involved in thrusting. I think women don’t appreciate the amount of effort (mental and physical) that men have to put into sex to please their partner.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

So add to this the concept of how much work you have to put in to just getting a girl interested in getting horizontal with you to even try.

If women had to put 1/10 the work into getting laid men do, we’d be extinct

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My experience with strap ons has also given me enormous appreciation for the athleticism involved in thrusting. I think women don’t appreciate the amount of effort (mental and physical) that men have to put into sex to please their partner.

And don't forget that he can't cum too quickly and he needs to maintain a strong erection throughout. The thrusting is already exhausting but riding the line between her enjoyment and your focus on trying your damndest not to explode two minutes in is also quite...erm...hard.

[–]ThorLivesSkeptical Purple Pill Man6 points7 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

And, oddly, I've seen claims that lesbians are more likely to say that they orgasmed in their last sexual encounter. BUT, lesbians are also shown to have the least active sex lives. Now try to figure that out in your analysis.

While I think it's a jerk move to not help a woman achieve orgasm when you're together, I don't believe it's THE reason women are having less sex or are less interested in sex. Women are just naturally less sexual than men. And this is true even in the case where women are reaching orgasm during sex.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I was actually chatting to my girlfriend about this because she wanted to understand how I experienced sex and found it funny that I completely lose interest after orgasm.

The only way I could put it was that the male sex drive is so strong that if this didn't happen, it would be impossible for us to ever get anything done, because we'd be thinking about nothing but sex 24/7.

The reason women can have multiple orgasms is because they don't need this "post nut clarity" men get. Even if a woman has a high libido (and my girlfriend certainly does) she doesn't need her sex drive reset for her to focus on other things.

This is a major difference between the genders right here.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is completely silly logic.

For one, I'm a woman and I completely lose interest in sex after I've had an orgasm.

Secondly, if this effect is real (and I do think that many women are like your girlfriend) there are probably adaptive reasons why women don't need to have a refractory period as much, which is to say for conception purposes. After orgasm, a guy doesn't need to continue having sex to conceive, whereas women are more likely to conceive if they orgasm before sex or after; the timing is less rigid.

I don't think it has anything to do with post nut clarity lol.

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It just comes from a casual chat I happened to be having with my girlfriend last night. I'm not saying it's universal or scientific. And obviously there's differences in how women experience these things.

But it's the only way I could make my girlfriend understand it. She has a high sex drive herself. We have a running joke that I am the one who is more likely to "have a headache."

However once she orgasms, she tells me it calms her down a bit, makes her feel relaxed etc, but there's nothing that stops her from feeling horny and she can just keep having more orgasms straight away.

For a man this is just not how it works. And I honestly do think if our sex drive didn't drop right off after orgasm we'd go mad.

Basically I think the difference is that even if a woman has a high sex drive it's not all-consuming in the same way it is for men.

But again, see my disclaimer in the first paragraph.

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The thing to take away from this is that any observation you make about sex with women will be immediately countered with "I'm not like that so you're wrong".

So you have to do things like look at studies and universal truths. Like, you know, that two women together rapidly experience Lesbian Bed Death, and two men together are on a cruise ship fucking 500 men a night.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the point is that there is far greater variability (on a population level) in female sexual desire/response than there is for men. This makes sense, as women with a wide range of sexual function (i.e. unopposed testosterone activity) can be equally reproductively successful, whereas this is not the case for men.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Women with high enough sex drives (like me) do need to have regular orgasms in order to focus (or get to sleep). At my baseline, I need, at minimum, an orgasm every ~3 days and intercourse every ~7 days, or I feel like I’m going to jump out of my own skin. And if something gets me really turned on in the middle of the day, I need to come in order to resume focus on any other task.

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Interesting. That's different from my girlfriend too. As I said it differs between women.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

How long have you been together?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Six years.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok, that’s legit.

[–]allweknowisD4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But I don’t think the question is about wanting sex as much as men, it’s about enjoying sex in general. You don’t need to be having sex multiple times a day to prove you enjoy it.

Plus, there’s other factors to consider with lesbian sex such as that’s two periods a month and a lot of women don’t like to engage in sex when periods are involved too.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

BUT,

lesbians are also shown to have the least active sex lives. Now try to figure that out in your analysis.

Because left to their own devices, women don't really have sex. They need it to be coaxed out of them by someone else whining, pleading, setting the mood, doing all the work. With two clams around, who's out there buying the dinner, making all the moves?

[–]87AudreyHorne3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think liking sex is just a physical thing in the end, so if you can come quickly during regular sex you will like it a lot. This is a common advice to men about long foreplays and effort to make a girl come, but sadly I don't think that solves the issue because if you need an hour to have sex, then even if it is good sex it still simply won't be a priority on most normal days because who can be in the mood for all that? But if she can come from regular missionary in a few minutes, then you'll probably have an active sex life. Some girls just can, and usually they are the ones who genuinely love sex.

[–]eaazzy_132 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think this is a HUGE part of it. Women that can’t get off easily (due to ANY reason) aren’t having as much sex as women that can.

Imagine if everytime you had sex, you had to go forever and focus extra hard only for a small chance of actually achieving orgasm in the end anyway. It becomes more of a chore to those types of women, because most of the time they never even get the big payoff of reaching the finish line. I could see how that would be extremely discouraging.

Here’s an example for men- When men are addicted to opioids such as heroin, the numbing effect the drug has on the body makes it extremely difficult for most men to reach orgasm. The vast majority of heroin addicted men eventually stop having sex all together, because it becomes more of a frustrating chore than a much needed release. If there’s only a 10% chance or less that you’ll even nut if you have sex, why bother?

Women who can cum easily on the other hand, exactly like you said, will be happy to bang one out real quick before work/dinner/whatever.

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Some girls just can

And they're rarer than hen's teeth.

10 years ago if I'd found one of these magical women I'd have thought about perhaps doing the sex/relationships thing - but at this point you could clone me 50 of them and I'd still lock the door and tell them all to fuck off.

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy0 points1 point  (68 children) | Copy Link

This is what women think they want

Like if you consciously engage them sure they’ll say they want that

But it’s not what they respond to most strongly

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew12 points13 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

they do want that, from a VERY specific man who engages in VERY specific behaviors

not from just every man

first be THAT man, then do what they say they want lol

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I mean for me , I just play the game of “find the women who think I’m that man” and once you’re that man to them you don’t even need to do anything special they just love you

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, exactly

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Are you suggesting that alpha males don’t need to be good in bed in order to keep a woman interested?

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean if she’s attracted to you, you’ll be good in bed

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ve stopped seeing attractive guys because they were bad in bed.

No amount of attraction can make up for premature ejaculation, erectile dysfunction, or a tiny dick.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The actual act of sex itself is too much goddamn work, what you're doing is piling on more work, more effort, more cost, more hassle and bullshit.

All for someone who'll lie there, with a clipboard, ready to tell you everything you did wrong afterwards.

No thanks

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Order rescinded, stand down

[–]Muse_asvhedu15 points16 points  (53 children) | Copy Link

Lol, all women want a guy who makes them orgasm.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

necessary but not sufficient. an unattractive supplicating beta can make me orgasm all day and i will despise him, and have, and leave him

[–]blackkindergods1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmm interesting. A girl I don’t like couldn’t get me hard, my shits connected to my brain

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Eyyy you're back!

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Fucking admin ban

[–]itiswr1ttenEndorsed Negotiable Instrument0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Story?

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

its boring, i said something some dumb cunt here perceived of as "threatening violence"

[–]itiswr1ttenEndorsed Negotiable Instrument0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The selective enforcement here is based on who tattles with the most tears. Pathetic.

I remember them teaching kids just to log off. Now everyone needs mommy to protect them everywhere

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

well she got all her buddies from /r/relationships_advice to come hassle me and tattle on me to

whotever

[–]praisethesun799Not actually a fag 😉0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol that’s reminds me of Wilson in House M.D who’s apparently the most attentive lover AND the poster child for beta-ness

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Moving goalposts

The original target was effort and consideration into orgasm

It works way better to be DGAF and just make it happen

[–]Muse_asvhedu2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Most of my post was about how women fantasize about having orgasms.

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok well then I guess I agree in part

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

lol what? So just don’t care if she gets off and she magically will? Hoo boy.

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No just find the girls who are really into you, they will get off

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If a woman is into you she is more likely to orgasm and will orgasm harder but you do still need to make some type of effort in most cases. Many women can't orgasm from only PIV for example.

[–]SpaceWhiskey🍃 Social Justice Druid 🍂0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m a woman, that’s not how it works.

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or they’ll stick around and love you even if they don’t which is just as good

[–]hammerhauntsbread pill0 points1 point  (25 children) | Copy Link

But not as much as they want other qualities.

[–]Muse_asvhedu8 points9 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

That’s not the point of any of this. The point’s mostly that women who don’t get what they want from a guy during sex - ie, an enjoyable experience - aren’t going to be able to hide that they don’t like it. Women clearly enjoy sex because they write a lot of porn about it.

[–]reluctantly_red-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

all women want a guy who makes them orgasm.

True, but that shouldn't be a chore for the guy.

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 16 points17 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Why should women have sex with men who view getting them off as a chore?

[–]diffdedbedGreen Eyed Devil6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ding!

I get off making women get off. Me cumming is secondary. It's not a white knight thing. It's what I enjoy the most about sex.

[–]donkeydodoI think, therefore I am - No pill, only human5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

^This, and I think this might be it; I believe most guys generally don't care about women getting off or not. This isn't true to men only, however, I believe most women don't generally care about the X guy they're seeing, other than how said guy makes her feel (i.e. she don't give a fuck about how he feels). I think most people majorly think of sex or relationships as something they've succeeded in reaching, rather than aiming to actually attain or gain something from said sex or relationship. The conclusion is that people, no matter gender, are mostly egotistical and care more for themselves than for anyone else.

Personally, I view sex more like a dance. When I have sex with women, the only thing I do want to achieve is her getting off and not me because I get such an ego stimulation by being able to affect a woman in such a way that she literally can't control herself. I enjoy fucking her brain rather than her vagina if that makes sense.

Other than that, I have a hard time to come; it's easier for me to get a woman to come than to get myself to come.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah. Men who are very turned on by making women come typically have more difficulty achieving orgasm themselves. My husband tells me this is because he gets so lost in the overall sensory experience of my reactions (my smell, the sounds I’m making, etc) that it actually distracts him from the feeling in his dick and his own orgasm.

[–]donkeydodoI think, therefore I am - No pill, only human1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha I can relate to that; also, if I grow bored of the personality of the woman I’m sleeping with, I literally can’t cum at all - I’ve lost my erection many times because of that

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't disagree. If getting a particular woman off is a chore the guy needs to find someone more sexually compatible.

[–]alilabelle 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is what women think they want

Lol let me tell women what they want and what they think.

Lol women hate sex.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, they don't hate it.

They just don't want it. Unless it's done perfectly by just the right kind of guy who does all the necessary work to spark the fire in her, like a guy trying to light a campfire in a strong wind but using two rubbed together sticks and a little tiny spark from it to do so - blowing ever so gently, just so.... careful, careful, fuck it went out - start again, etc., the moon is retrograde in Capricorn and the breeze is blowing just so.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I cant tell if youre trolling or not.

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why?

What’s your experience of how well people can generally articulate their own desires? How well people know what they really want?

[–]TheReformist94-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's women who watch gangbang and violent porn, not men and irl, they ask me to pull the hair and choke.

I'd rather stick to missionary but that makes me beta I guess

[–]lestratege0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your orgasm, your body, your responsibility.

It's the reason why many men rightfully say women don't want sex as much as men do. Women want sex in the right conditions, men want sex whatever the conditions. It's not hard to understand the evolution forces at work there.

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Is this simply the truth of unattractive men? Women don’t enjoy sex with them so they cannot fathom women engaging with men in other ways?

I honestly think this hits the nail on the head, yes.

I do not believe any man who has had sex with a woman attracted to him could possibly hold these beliefs.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women fake it sometimes, sure. But it’s just impossible they’re faking it every single time.

Incels are mental patients and need help.

[–]stonedkyuby(◕ᴗ◕✿) join the gaycel army25 points26 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

There's a quote I heard a while back that went along the lines of "Men consider bad sex boring, while women consider bad sex painful."

Being the penetrated party in a sexual encounter comes with risks and usually requires that the partner have your full trust and be considerate of your safety and desire to orgasm. This leads to a lot of women being significantly more wary of their sexual partners, or avoiding sexual intimacy all together when they think it won't end well for them. I think the fact that women orgasm the most when they have sex with other women says a lot about the topic at hand. A lot of men, however, interpret this as women just being exceptionally picky or lukewarm to sex.

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Thats a good explanation tbh. Can say from experience that even really good sex can go bad real fast if something inside the vag gets thrust at in an unfortunate angle nd suddenly its just like "ouchh fuck shit stop". Also the cycles women go through each month, with some days sex just being painful and on others sex feeling like the best thing ever invented & since periods dont always tend to come after the same amount of time, also hard to predict. Btw, I dont mean period sex, I just mean that the days before a period the entire body is more prone to pain, esp down there. Theres a lot of factors more physically for women that go into enjoying sex. And id say it is harder to sexually please women than it is for men to get off, taken that idk, its much harder to cum from penetration than it is from clitoris stimulation. But whilst it is harder to get a woman off than a men, its still not really difficult to get a woman off either. So I think a lot of men saying "Women dont enjoy sex" might also genuinly just not care about the pleasure of the woman they are fucking. They might only care abt their own pleasure eitherway. I hope some men saying this are simply misguided though.

[–]stonedkyuby(◕ᴗ◕✿) join the gaycel army7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are some comments in this thread that really have me worried, a lot of "it's just fucking a hole who cares man," which is part of the problem

[–]Karmanger3 points4 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

However that's for Lesbian couples, they also have the highest rate of deadbedroom. Could it be that they only recount the orgasms due to the infrequency of how they might be having sex?

[–]stonedkyuby(◕ᴗ◕✿) join the gaycel army10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The concept of lesbian bed death is more of a pernicious myth than anything. It's based on one old study with questionable methodology. The statistics are based around orgasms per sexual encounter, it's not really a recounting type thing.

[–]ThorLivesSkeptical Purple Pill Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not a myth.

The statistics are based around orgasms per sexual encounter, it's not really a recounting type thing.

No, lesbian death bed is about the frequency of sex per week or per month.

[–]stonedkyuby(◕ᴗ◕✿) join the gaycel army5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

First, the second thing I was saying waz in response to his inquiry on the article, not on lesbian bed death. Second, an excerpt from the second paragraph of the very Wikipedia article you linked

The concept is based on 1983 research by social psychologist Philip Blumstein and sociologist Pepper Schwartz, published in American Couples: Money, Work, Sex, which found that lesbian couples reported lower numbers when asked "About how often during the last year have you and your partner had sex relations?"[5] The idea has been criticized for the methodology of the research and because sexual activity decreases for all long-term couples regardless of sexual orientation. Subsequently, researchers have regarded it as a popular myth.[6][7][8]

Lesbian death bed is based on a survey that was poorly worded and had a very heterosexual notion of sex, as analyzed here

[–]madcockatielAlpha Bird, Slayer of Cloaca0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lesbian couples also have the highest rates of sexual satisfaction. Say I’m some kind of magical being that only needs to eat a couple times a month. If, every time I eat, I have a total balls-to-the-wall multi-course exquisitely prepared feast, can I really be said to “enjoy food less” than someone who eats every day but it’s just, like, grilled chicken and lettuce?

[–]Karmanger0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's not a fair equivalent for the question i'm posing. If both people have a total balls-to-the-wall multi-course exquisitely prepared feast, one once a week and another every day, you would say that one party does indeed enjoy food less.

However My question was asking if the only reason they reported high level of satisfaction was because, the last time they had sex (a year ago) it was great. Therefore their sexual satisfaction is high, due to having a lower amount of encounters.

[–]madcockatielAlpha Bird, Slayer of Cloaca0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No one has the time for a crazy fuckfest every day though! People have jobs.

I think you are correct that lesbians tend to have sex less often because women generally desire sex less often. But I don’t think they’re delusional about what good sex looks like. The greater sexual satisfaction is probably due to a combination of being able to intuit what will get another woman off, having to get creative with sex acts due to a lack of penises involved, two potentially multi orgasmic partners, and a lack of need for regular “maintenance sex.” Speaking as a woman, I “like sex” a whole lot, but I don’t need it all that often. Having a partner with similar proclivities wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world lol.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

Because when two women are involved, what they really want out of a relationship really shows in their actions.

They move in on the 2nd date, buy dogs together, get really clingy, and have tons and tons and tons and tons and tons of relationship drama.

What do they not have? Sex.

Two men together? You want to talk n-counts? The meter broke at 5000. And that was when he turned 19.

[–]madcockatielAlpha Bird, Slayer of Cloaca3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

I can always tell a person doesn’t know many gay couples when they say shit like this lol. Yes, gay men can be slutty, and yes, gay women can commit prematurely, but the rest is mostly stereotypes that I have never seen a real person embody.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

really because i was a faghag my whole life and thats EXACTLY what i saw in the gay community, to a tee.

[–]madcockatielAlpha Bird, Slayer of Cloaca0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Idk man maybe it’s a matter of 80’s club gays vs. 2010’s bougie college gays. Like among my gay friends it’s a little bit like that but there’s a ton of individual variation. Plenty of low-key, monogamous gay guys and hyperactive party lesbians lol.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

im perfectly willing to say things have changed, but gay men are still men, so i dont beleive it

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Like among my gay friends

Pretty sure you're just not aware of how slutty your gay friends are.

[–]madcockatielAlpha Bird, Slayer of Cloaca0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol I’m perfectly aware, I’m just saying there’s some variation and that the gay girls are sometimes pretty slutty too.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Right because AIDS hit straights and lesbians with the same ferocity in the 80s LOL

[–]madcockatielAlpha Bird, Slayer of Cloaca1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It is exceptionally hard to transmit HIV via lesbian sex, and exceptionally easy to transmit it between male partners. Also, from an epidemiological standpoint, how would an STD move from one population that only have sex with each other to another population that does the same? It would be more surprising if AIDS had hit the lesbian community... at all really. Gay male sluttiness probably factored into its rapid spread WITHIN the gay community, but lesbian prudishness has almost nothing to do with why it DIDN’T spread among them.

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A lot easier when you are fucking 15 people a night.

Hard if all you ever do is brush each other’s hair

[–]madcockatielAlpha Bird, Slayer of Cloaca2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Not quite. Transmission is very easy via anal sex. A little bit harder via penis in vagina sex. Very hard via oral sex, fingering, fisting, sex toys, etc. Guess which of these lesbians do more?

Again, not saying that women like casual sex as much as men do, just saying that even if they did, HIV would probably never have been a huge problem in the lesbian community due to a critical shortage of penises.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No it isn’t. Your chances of getting it via receptive anal intercourse, unprotected with a known HIV+ partner is 1:50

[–]madcockatielAlpha Bird, Slayer of Cloaca1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right, and it’s even lower with other kinds of sex. Right down to being nearly impossible via oral.

Furthermore a one in fifty chance sounds small, but with an incurable disease that might not present symptoms for decades and spreads exponentially, it’s still significant. And anal sex is the easiest way to catch it, besides blood to blood contact.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know tons of younger lesbian couples. You are correct except for one thing: they own TONS of dildos. The couples I know with the largest sex toy collections are young lesbians.

[–]ThorLivesSkeptical Purple Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the fact that women orgasm the most when they have sex with other women says a lot about the topic at hand. A lot of men, however, interpret this as women just being exceptionally picky or lukewarm to sex.

Yes, women orgasm most frequently with other women. However, we also know that lesbians have the least active sex lives.

"47% of lesbians in long-term relationships had sex once a month or less, and among heterosexual married couples, only 15% had sex once a week or less." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_bed_death

.

"Among couples in the first two years of their relationships, 67 percent of gay couples, 45 percent of heterosexual couples, and 33 percent of lesbian couples had sex three times a week or more. The numbers drop off somewhat with time: for couples who had been together 10 years or longer, 11 percent of the gay couples, 18 percent of the heterosexual couples, and 1 percent of the lesbian couples were having sex that often." - https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-passion-paradox/201206/the-ins-and-outs-sexual-frequency

So, "frequency of orgasm" is not correlated with "frequency of sex".

A lot of men, however, interpret this as women just being exceptionally picky or lukewarm to sex.

No, it's more complicated than that. Women are more picky and lukewarm to sex than men are, even in the case where orgasms are frequent.

[–]QueenCousland8620 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This subject makes me laugh every time it comes up. A woman who doesn't enjoy sex WITH YOU is not attracted TO YOU. This dose not and will not apply to the rest of the male (or female) population. Every single woman I have ever known in my 30-odd years on this planet has enjoyed sex, barring a few cases of trauma stemming from rape and a few asexuals.

[–]MaxwellPancakesMcgee9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I like sex, I really like orgasming more though, and I have a business, and groceries, and a house to clean and family (I don't have kids, I coparented my niece for 6 years and took in a homeless teen until she got self sufficient and they really do kill the mood and occupy your mind too much at times for me.)

It's much quicker and rewarding to just masturbate, plus my partner always wants me to shave and look nice for sex, I work 10-16 hrs a day 6 days a week. He's pretty vanilla and tired all the time too and we're just in that working our asses off phase and don't have a lot of time or effort. We're just drained. It happens. We make a conscious effort but still.

I enjoyed sex a lot more when I had time and peace of mind. Right now it's just easier to masturbate and know I'll come with out having to wait til everyone is asleep, or both of us are home and showered and cleaned up and fed etc.

I had great sex last week and this week has been hell because we've just been gone. Good sex usually leads to more sex. Even red pillers seem to know women like good sex.

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

plus my partner always wants me to shave and look nice for sex,

Sounds like a good way to ensure sex doesn’t happen very often... there was a good OP about this a week or so ago.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with you. If I was a chick and some guy said I had to do X Y and Z, he'd find himself single.

You don't get to dictate what someone else does with their body.

[–]meomeowmeoww 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

plus my partner always wants me to shave and look nice for sex

get laser

[–]MaxwellPancakesMcgee1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I usually don't care to shave or invest unnecessary money into my appearance, also, I have 0 time.

[–]yaseedog will hunt[🍰] 34 points35 points  (32 children) | Copy Link

maybe they're bad at sex, so every woman they sleep with seems unenthusiastic about it

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Lesbian women provide the most orgasms to their partner, but strangely enough lesbians have the least amount of sex.

[–]yaseedog will hunt[🍰] 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

that doesn't seem strange to me. women (in aggregate) having lower sex drives /= women not enjoying sex

also to the orgasm thing women are probably a bit more intuitive about how to get a woman off lol

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Your argument is women don't have sex with these men because they have tiny little weens and can't get women off tee hee tl:dr never a problem with me, the problem must be with you, you stupid men.

The problem is, that whole thing falls apart when you find out women are much better at getting women off, and they barely fuck each other in their relationships.

[–]yaseedog will hunt[🍰] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

whoa I never said anything about weens

and it's not even necessarily about uh, technical ability (despite my glib phrasing). Maybe he's lazy/anxious/underconfident/overconfident. maybe he has a shitty attitude in relationships and it affects sexual quality

it could be any number of things. but since I enjoy sex, and the women I know enjoy sex, I'm confident the reason is not that women don't enjoy sex

barely fuck each other

oh come on now :P and surely the fact that women fuck each other at all proves that they enjoy it. why do it otherwise?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I didn't say they don't. I said they barely do.

Know what they spend the bulk of their time with? Drama.

[–]yaseedog will hunt[🍰] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

they barely do

relative to what? yourself? men generally?

Drama

what is the relevance of drama to sex drive in this context? or are you just meeting some quota for mean comments about ladies lol

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Holy shit, you ever heard a lesbian talk about her relationship? Block off at least 5h on your calendar.

[–]yaseedog will hunt[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have and it was brief. much briefer than the hetero relationship convos I've had :P but I probably don't know enough lesbians to really say if that's typical

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy2 points3 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Dumb virtue signally answer

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 17 points18 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

How does this answer signal virtue in any way?

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy8 points9 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

those guys are so bad at sex I’m not like them what losers lol”

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 14 points15 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Yasee is a woman.

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy6 points7 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

So what she still is signaling value by outgrouping and othering people

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That’s a very odd definition of virtue signaling...

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Virtue signaling is making worthless fluffy statements to make oneself look good, and which don’t require any real personal stake.

I’ll admit I’m using it loosely

[–]GridReXXit be like that11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It didn’t come off like virtue signally. It’s a logical explanation for why some people may think that. They probably assume all women are like the women they’re with.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

that's not what virtue signalling means

[–]yaseedog will hunt[🍰] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

"othering" hmm now that's some virtue signalling.

and I should know :)

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

😬🤷🏻‍♂️😎

I like to argue and I’m killing time lol what can i say

[–]yaseedog will hunt[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

respect lol

[–]ImJustaBagofHammersPurple Pill Man10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That is not what virtue signaling means.

[–]idhavetocharge1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is literally what rp does. This is literally what all groups do. Its identity politics at its heart.

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

othering is a leftist dumb virtue signally term

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok so what it’s a term that exists

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Which is why the gender war will be won by women - and still is. Men will always rush into the breach, quisling fashion, to explain why they're not like those other guys so you should really sit on their cocks instead.

[–]atlantic68Purple Shill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because they dont want to accept theyre shit

[–]HNTIBlack Pill0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Joke's on you !! You can't have bad sex if you never had any in the first place, ha !!

[–]yaseedog will hunt[🍰] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

you got me. why would someone who's never had sex assume that women don't enjoy it though?

[–]HNTIBlack Pill1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They enjoy it with HIM ! Most of us are narcistic to some extend, so if they don't like to fuck us it has to be something wrong with these 9-10 sluts, right ??

[–]yaseedog will hunt[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I guess that makes sense

but that's a bit different than assuming they don't enjoy it at all

[–]HNTIBlack Pill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We all love to generalise and women need casual sex less than we as they risk more going to bed with some random. I think most of the bitter men here are butthurt about lack of thereof and sex in relationship is pictured as dull. One vagina for life ?? Dude...

[–]jkonrad-Pill5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You don't realize just how much projecting goes on here. (Also known as solipsism but shhhh). When guys make their grand pronouncements about the world's females, they're just describing the class of women they attract. They're describing their life, not the world. Mentally append "I attract" after every mention of "women" and everything will make more sense.

Most TRP guys are lacking similiar social skills in similiar ways, and if you notice another common behavior, it's no surprise a lot of them experience the same types of issues and end up with the same conclusions.

Consider the following. This is how a sub-section of virgins think all virgins are treated:

Treated with condescending advice at best, hatred at worst :: Often perceived as dangerous and accused of crimes/criminal intentions :: Universally unattractive for both casual sex and LTRs :: Absolutely no political/social support :: Utterly forbidden from shaming the opposite gender for their negative view of them :: Always try to hide their status :: Rarely chose to be one

A psychological profiler could probably construct a composite from that list with some very specific details, because the fact is, there's a finite number number of personal deficiencies that lead to someone accepting all that. Not only finite, but the main ones are well known.

So anyways, that's why you'll notice whole swaths of TRP types being wrong together and in the same general way. (And being right together, too.)

[–]itiswr1ttenEndorsed Negotiable Instrument0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with all of this except "TRP types". Our audience is not "the reds". Our newbs, spergs, and actual misogynists aren't TRP. We have a whole system of who is permitted to lay claim to TRP, and it's not the guys you're talking about.

Rest is spot on. I call it the Frame Of Reference problem. A low SMV man has no frame of reference from which to ask himself if women do this or that, because he does not have access to the casual sex game and has rarely if ever had a woman enthusiastically fuck him.

[–]catbrainlandcucklord8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women prefer quality, men prefer quantity, and the ignorance of differing perspectives causes silly generalizations ("men are pigs!", "women are frigid!")

[–]diffdedbedGreen Eyed Devil12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The funny thing is is that anyone with any actual experience with women realize they actually enjoy sex when they have it more than men as a rule. Their sex drives might be different. It may take more work to get there. But you really have to stand back once they are there, and hold on for dear life.

[–]MoodyBrizo 1 points [recovered]  (13 children) | Copy Link

It's literally one dude that does this.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, I also saw some incels doing this here.

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 8 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I have seen it many, many times over multiple years. It’s way more than one guy.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I think at last one of them is the doom and gloom guys alt. Pretty sure he was one of the outright ones

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah the shit candle kid was one of the worst.

[–]HossMcDankEdgy Centrist1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Who?

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Guy who said in order to like get revenge on his live in GF rather than evicting her if she didn’t want to move he would make her life miserable including by making the apartment nasty with poop smelling candles. There was probably more to it than that but it was just a nuts idea

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just the right combination of creativity and batshit insanity to generate interesting reading material. What a wierdo.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Was that not IAS?

[–]HNTIBlack Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ofc it's more than one guy, but reddit mods hate "negativity", slut shaming and inceldom, so these users evaporate from subs where they're persona non grata. Simple.

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

theres a lot of people who say this, but theyre incels and mgtows

[–]MoodyBrizo 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Even incels say women enjoy sex with Chad.

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are two men actively participating in this hour old thread claiming it so...

[–]CainPrice9 points10 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Men who aren't part of the casual sex culture are bitter about missing out, so they pretend that the casual sex culture is restricted to this tiny, tiny segment of men who are being fooled by women who are using them.

This is a very tiny but kind of loud, dwindling group of incel/TradCon/MGTOW jackasses and not really a thing. It's just a few loudmouths.

It's kind of sad, because a lot of these men aren't bad or all that hideous. In fact, a lot of them are generally good dudes who live generally good lives and would make a good partner for someone. But they don't know the game, don't know the rules, and don't want to do the work, so they'll never get to play the casual game and instead waste their time complaining on the internet endlessly about how great they are because they don't want to play that game anyway. As a consequence, not only does this exclude them from the casual game, but people don't want bitter, self-righteous jackasses for relationships either. And even if they ended up in a relationship, they'd torpedo it with their jealousy and obsession over their partner's past casual sex.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's kind of sad, because a lot of these men aren't bad or all that hideous. In fact, a lot of them are generally good dudes who live generally good lives and would make a good partner for someone.

This is the crux of the whole problem. They want to find a good partner and love. Young women are mostly looking for casual sex and trying to convert the casual sex guy into someone thats a good partner. They dont realize casual sex guy is broken and gave up on love in the way they think exists. Its the incel guys trying to play the rules of suppressed male sexuality that were hoping to find a relationship and would probably be good partners. The modern world has fucked up the male/female thing a lot

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

We're not dwindling. We're growing. Exponentially, in fact.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This one is pretty simple. It is the perspective of men who are just not very good at sex. They are most likely self serving and don't lead a mutually beneficial session. A woman will not enjoy repeated "quickies" if there is nothing in it for her.

[–]pighammerduck3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The answer seems both obvious and hysterical, imo.

[–]fatalcharm4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They think that because they are shit in bed, and the women that they have slept with didn’t enjoy themselves, then no woman enjoys sex. That’s all there is too it.

[–]TheBookOfSeilAn ounce of Snu Snu is worth a pound of cure2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Women do not enjoy sex. Any sex they engage in is to gain something from a man, usually in a monetary sense. Women do not masturbate. They lie about it.

Has anyone actually said this? They don't believe women masturbate? Women's sex toys are all figments of their imagination, or something that only lesbian couples use in the bedroom?

•women only enjoy sex as a way to get attention and validation from attractive men.

That is part of it, but denying that merging genital organs is not pleasureable sounds like something that someone who has never had sex would say.

•women do not desire sex like men therefore they do not desire or enjoy sex at all. Lacking spontaneous male desire means said desire is not “real” or “pure.”

Hmmmm..... whoever this person is that is allegedly saying this stuff seems to believe that women are purely reactionary robots in human skin.

So what’s the deal? Why is this being claimed? Is this simply the truth of unattractive men? Women don’t enjoy sex with them so they cannot fathom women engaging with men in other ways? Is this men simply insisting that women are broken men and lacking male sex drive is a defect?

If there really is such a person saying this, they probably don't understand women that well and are going off of what they might've heard elsewhere and/or quickly came to these false conclusions themselves.

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have been told by a dude on PPD that women do not masturbate. He claimed all sex toys were only for showing off for Chad. Read some of the posts in this thread. Men are claiming all this in response to this OP.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Has anyone actually said this?

No. I've explicitly told her multiple times that this is not my position, but she keeps restating it that way because strawmen burn easier.

And saying "maybe you just suck at it" is easier than swallowing certain bitter pills:

From that:

According to a new book, there are 237 reasons why women have sex. And most of them have little to do with romance or pleasure

From the reams of confessions, it emerges that women have sex for physical, emotional and material reasons; to boost their self-esteem, to keep their lovers, or because they are raped or coerced. Love? That's just a song. We are among the bad apes now.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m one of those women who almost never orgasms from intercourse alone. But this does not in any way inhibit my enjoyment of intercourse! It’s no hardship at all for me to reach a hand down and rub my clit during the act. I have an intrinsically high sex drive (initiate intercourse at least every other day, consistently for the past decade) and orgasm between 1-3 times around a penis during the average sex session. I prefer orgasming during intercourse (with the additional help of my hand) to orgasming from oral, fingering, or toys.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m one of those women who almost never orgasms from intercourse alone.

I think like 7% do.

Know how many men climax from sexual intercourse alone? Just shy of 100%. (There are men with medical issues, heroin addicts, etc)

[–]TheBookOfSeilAn ounce of Snu Snu is worth a pound of cure0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh. Cool. Alrighty then.

[–]jonascf2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

It's a claim made by men that are bad at sex; since they can't arouse women they come to believe that women doesn't like sex.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Their mirror is easy to spot too. Women who are bad at sex think men must “make” them cum, and come to believe men are some sort of orgasm gatekeepers.

[–]HNTIBlack Pill0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

It's their POV, so ??

[–]jonascf0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yes it is, and I understand why they come to the the conclusions they do.

[–]HNTIBlack Pill0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's good.

[–]jonascf0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

But from my PoV it's obvious that they draw the wrong conclusion.

[–]HNTIBlack Pill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well it depends of one's state of mind. Depressed people bend reality around them to match their imagined one. Think you get F grade and start to think that a teacher wants the worst for you and hates you. If you get enough such experiences, they start to be your reality which you can't deny or you will go insane. Some of us just had a negative row of rejections/bad sex. It affects us and in the end mold us as negative/bitter men.

[–]jonascf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I know. I'm struggling with depression myself. One thing I've learn't is that it's a really bad idea to succumb to that warped reality one creates.

[–]flamingoinghomeIs three lizards in trench coat5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

A few things I think:

-It's easier to believe that women don't like sex to these guys than that they're not sexy

-The fact is, some women (and men) DO sometimes have sex for pragmatic reasons or abstain from sex for pragmatic reasons, and this sub tends to think that THE VERY MOMENT you consider anything beyond your PURE LIZARD BRAIN, you're an emotionless robot who feels nothing. This is also why many men (not just on this sub) can't imagine a woman being horny for a guy but declining to fuck him, because other considerations outweigh that frustration

-They kind of...forget that non-straight women exist and report high sexual satisfaction? Like, I really do wonder where they think strap-ons and dildos and vibrators come from

-They really, really, REALLY don't want to think that their own sex drives and impulses are anything more than "just what an average normal man is like". There's men on this thread saying they'd cheerfully fuck obese hobo women behind dumpsters, or a woman who'd just killed their pets. THIS IS NOT HOW ALL MEN THINK. This is not, I don't believe, even how MOST men think. But if you're starting with that as your baseline....

Also, i didn't want to play the "they suck at sex lol" card, because it's lazy, but SHIT, a few of these guys talk like they've never heard of non-PIV sexual activities, positions other than missionary, the entire concept of foreplay.....

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Except that many of these men are complaining about the mountain you have to climb just to get to the sex part.

The sex hasn't even happened yet so you can't argue the disinterest, the shit tests, the present/cash requirements, the bullshit, etc. is a function of the fact he's hung like a mouse and sucks at sex, LOL.

I can so totally believe the average woman has had enough bad sex that, like a jaded city cop in a police drama - she's not gonna believe a fucking word you say.

[–]flamingoinghomeIs three lizards in trench coat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not talking about their complaints--I'm talking about their descriptions of the sex act itself. Complaining it's hard to get laid doesn't say anything about your sexual technique; claiming that the only thing that matters to a woman's pleasure is the penis, describing sex in such a way that suggests you only do missionary, and saying that a woman in bed is "just a hole" all do, and what they say is utterly terrible.

[–]throwawayhouseissue1I talk to strangers2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I am a man and I will tell you right now the problem is men don't understand women at all.

Women barely understand themselves, but think they do.

Men think they have to have sex at certain speed/size matters/and perfect position without realizing that a woman has to first be emotionally engaged in the whole situation. Men do not understand how much emotional connection women absolutely need and the ironic thing is that by withholding emotional attachment (that TRP teaches) that actually engages (some) women more emotionally, because they are anxiously codependent.

[–]MGTOWKapow3 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

TL;DR - women don't care about the sex, it's all about the fee-fees.

[–]throwawayhouseissue1I talk to strangers0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Basically yeah, it doesn't matter how good you are or how much effort you put in, if she saw a grey hair and it reminded her of how sad she is to get old? Seriously, anything can and will derail a woman who isn't in the mood.

[–]GridReXXit be like that5 points6 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I’ve seen bullet 3 enough and it’s bizarre.

It’s like saying because one person burns 7000 calories in a day and is hungry enough to eat 4 meals a day.

And another person burns 1800 in a day and only desires one meal a day.

That the latter doesn’t enjoy the taste of the food as much.

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 4 points5 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

This is also the root of that “lesbian bed death” thing right? F/F couples have sex with way less frequency but have longer sessions and report more orgasms. Hardly sounds like death to me...

[–]GridReXXit be like that2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Lol right! It doesn’t seem like most lesbians are complaining about it.

It’s accepted that the spontaneous libido is lower in women — way less testosterone. So it seems lesbians have sex when they both feel the urge. The frequency differential between lesbians and women in hetero relationships exists because the latter tends to have sex because he initiates and her libido reacts to that (or she does some duty starfish).

But yeah I don’t think lesbians are complaining as much and part of me feels half the reason some worry is because of so much “sex is the cornerstone of any real relationship” messaging which is clearly more of an inherent male prioritization that’s been accepted as the norm. Let’s look at the facts. Lesbians eclipse women in hetero relationships when it comes to the orgasm differential. They’re doing something right — having sex only when they crave it and focusing on female exogenous zones (whole body not just inner vagina) when they do.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

But yeah I don’t think lesbians are complaining as much

Because. Sex. Is. Not. Important. To. Women.

Know what is? Drama, lots of it.

[–]azngirl76891 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Stop projecting about your wife. Divorce her or move on.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not married. Never have been

[–]azngirl76890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry MGTOW, I thought you were someone else.

[–]GridReXXit be like that0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes sex is not as important to women as it is to men.

[–]TheReformist941 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Na bollocks. All my LTR and fuckbuddies initiate about 50 50. It's not reactive. It's just two people wanting to fuck each other. In the early stages it's typically the female wants to fuck more.

[–]GridReXXit be like that1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course fuckbuddies initiate. How often does she see you?

I always initiate with FWBs. I’m the one that rings when I want it. It’s on my libido schedule.

[–]Karmanger1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Want to know how to get your girlfriend to cheat on you/break up with you? don't have sex with them, for extended periods.

I have had about 2 girlfriends break up with me because of a lower sex drive than them, They would complain to me about having to beg for sex. (which they both considered it to be a low)

[–]TheReformist941 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeh. I think it's clearly something else driving the female sex drive thats not testosterone. Maybe they don't have testosterone to stop them breeding with sub par males, but when they find someone they like, they fuck intensely for anywhere between 3montjs to 3years then move on to the next chad.

All my partner's would be happy for my to cum 5 times on the sessions we had. I couldn't keep up

[–]Karmanger0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol I can relate. I think the three years is due to prioritizing serious commitment over sex. I I only say this because my exes after the break up with me got married like right away

[–]ThorLivesSkeptical Purple Pill Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol right! It doesn’t seem like most lesbians are complaining about it.

That's not really the question, though. For example, if two asexual people got together and never had sex, they wouldn't complain about it, either. They'd prefer it that way. But, they're still two people who aren't into sex - which is the claim being made in the post.

[–]GridReXXit be like that0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was drilling home that aspect to highlight another aspect of hetero relationships.

There was no question. We were no longer discussing the OP.

[–]abeautifulirony4 points5 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I find this claim bizarre. To be honest, I do think there is a substantial portion of the female population who are mostly uninterested in sex except as a vehicle to have a family. Like maybe half? But that still leaves plenty of women who do enjoy sex. That's the group I belong to.

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 2 points3 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Really? Half? Why do you believe that?

[–]WestsideMoonWalkerNot a Negative Creep4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

I mean, it could be all the crazy religious people that are sexually repressed due to being in a culture than views sex as a bad thing, but that isn't half of all people

Somewhat related note, but low libido people are also seemingly non-existent to this subreddit and/or are viewed as defective (especially low libido men). But being low libido doesn't mean you don't enjoy sex either, just means the want or craving for it is a lot weaker.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

How are low libido men here viewed as defective?

[–]WestsideMoonWalkerNot a Negative Creep5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

If a dude says he has a low sex drive, reds in particular will jump right to assuming something is wrong with them.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"GET UR T LEVELS CHECKED BRO!!!"

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure mine are fucked at this point, but whatever for?

I'm in my 50s, do I really want to have physical drives I never wanted in the first place?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh ok, other dudes.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because they aren't easily manipulated by pussy.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Or it COULD be that once a woman gets what she wants out of a relationship, she has no need to sleep with him anymore.

Maybe being in a relationshp where once you get a ring you have to pay her bills even after she walks out on you could have that effect.

[–]WestsideMoonWalkerNot a Negative Creep3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

After seeing your comments I'm going to stop consuming salt. I'm getting hypertension from reading your word vomit

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh good.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's up with my girlfriend then she knows I am not up for marriage she knows I don't want kids she knows I don't have any resources to provide her but she still enjoys fucking me like mad for six years.

[–]abeautifulirony5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm in my early 40s and I know many women in their 30s and 40s who mostly lost interest in sex once they had kids, and many men in dead bedrooms or who are having way less sex than is reasonable. Half was just a wild guess, it could be more or fewer than that. I'm basing my perceptions on my anecdotal data points. Which is totally unscientific, I admit.

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I'm surprised that you're the first person to bring up the 'after kids' demarcation. I hear that's when a lot of dudes wives just check out.

[–]abeautifulirony0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

From an evolutionary perspective it makes sense. In a world without birth control and modern medicine that has made birth so much safer, reproduction was a dangerous business for female humans. I just remember a convo in a fb group I'm in on this subject and I was shocked at the proportion of women who were like I wish he would stop pestering me and I wouldn't really care if I never had sex again. That's never been my perspective at all so it really floored me.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Once she has the security of having that ring and at least one kid, she doesn't have to have sex anymore. In fact, she hopes he cheats, it increases her chances of really cashing out in the divorce - that way she gets his money and doesn't have to have his ass still around underfoot.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That low?

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Like maybe half?

In my experience as a man, I would say this is accurate.

I've had girls that were crazy into me in high school/college where, when it came time to get busy, just froze and never got over the 'weirdness' of it. Obviously it didn't work out, but I was still friends with some of the girls afterwards. Their subsequent relationships were trainwrecks, and I'm certain that me dumping them only solidified the image in their mind that 'guys only want sex'.

I suppose if a guy didn't have any experience to know better, those kinds of girls might define women's sexuality for them. Fortunately I did know better and I just quickly moved on. Even still, those kinds of girls pop up from time to time, but they are much easier to spot now.

[–]KikiYuyuPurple Pill Woman3 points4 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Because those same men barely view women as human beings. To them, women are like an alien species to be observed from a safe distance, but can never be truly comprehended.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Act like a human being, I'll think of you as one.

Act like Yog-Sothoth, ever morphing and changing and contradicting yourself 30x a second, I'll think of your psychology and physiology as alien.

[–]KikiYuyuPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Me and everyone I know acts like a human being.

But you've never met me so you're just going to tell me I'm lying. I'm an evil Chad-chasing harpy with no soul blah blah blah.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

Yeah OK

[–]KikiYuyuPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

What, you don't think that? You believe me and now your view on women is gonna change?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

I don’t think women are evil harpies, no.

[–]KikiYuyuPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I didn't mean exactly that. You just seem to be one of those people who thinks all women are inherently mean, petty, illogical, and incapable of being content with what they have.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

No, just entitled, oblivious and mercenary.

Men are, too. Just in other ways.

[–]KikiYuyuPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Well I'm not that. And I also act like a human.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Sorry. I’d need to see proof.

[–]speed3_freakOld School Red1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Women enjoy the shit out of sex. They don't even need to orgasm to be totally satisfied with sex. When sex is good, they like it more than guys do. They just don't desire it as much as men outside of the actual act. Women also use sex as a tool to get their way because they know how much men will give up in order to get it. That's why it's so important for guys to not only know how to create the desire outside of the act (like being in good shape, dressing well, and acting in a manner that is desirable), but to condition themselves not to be willing to retreat on their own wishes and needs because they want it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

They just don't desire it as much as men outside of the actual act.

The actual goddamn act is what we're talking about here.

I'm sure that you enjoy attention and hours of presents, coddling, happy experiences.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

That's why your argument is invalid. Penis thrusting into vagina until man orgasm isn't what most women and plenty of males think of when they think of sex and if they enjoy it. If you boil it down to the exact clinical act only and solely from the males actions and results without postulating as such up front, you are going to get plenty of dissent.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

It isn't invalid:

The premise: women don't like sexual intercourse, men do

Women: OH MY GOD LOL THAT'S SO WRONG

Also women: Well, you're right. What I really want is after a guy buys me dinner, does tons of foreplay and does all this work and gets me in the mood, either figures out how to fuck and clitrub me at the same time, or does cunnilingus or fingering instead, or has his cock present while I masturbate with a vibe.

Me: ….

Isn't that what I fucking said?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No, you said women don't enjoy sex without explaining that you are basing it off the clinical and limited definition.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh my God. When I say women don't enjoy having sex, I mean just that.

You're doing the equivalent of:

"He's vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat."

"Oh my God! How could you not like salad? Or fruits? Crackers are amazing! How could you say you don't like bread?"

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not just me, it's everyone else too. I finally get it after you broke it down.

[–]lilacluna5480 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Foreplay is still part of the act of sex. Nobody ever specified PIV sex, that isnt the only thing that counts as sex. Cunnilingus is literally called "oral sex". I do like PIV sex with my boyfriend as well, for the record, Id still have sex even if we didnt do anything else.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm specifying PIV sex. Masturbation, all that other stuff that girls also call "sexual intercourse" is another matter.

[–]speed3_freakOld School Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If a woman isn't enjoying sex while you're having sex with them, someone is doing it wrong. There is nothing better than having a woman in your bed where she is getting 10x the amount of pleasure out of the experience than you are. Unless you're bad at sex, then everything after you actually get them into bed is easy mode.

[–]HNTIBlack Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure they enjoy it if a guy is like from "50 Shades of Grey" : handsome, high status, rich, super fit and confident.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Chad is like the basilisk in the Chamber of Secrets. But instead of petrifying muggles he makes women orgasm on eye contact.

She's a prude in the streets for an incel PPDr but a slut in the sheets for Chad.

Never underestimate the power of the female sex drive, if she doesn't want to suck every drop of cum out of your cock and fuck you all night long she's just not into you. It's scientifically proven that women think about sex every minute, that's way more than men.

[–]ThorLivesSkeptical Purple Pill Man1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

that women cannot or do not enjoy sex?

I think it would be helpful if we had some actual examples of what was said. My suspicion is that this is an exaggerated strawman of what was said, and if it's a strawman, then it's a rather pointless discussion. I think it's a pretty common belief, though, that women have a lower sex drive than men (not a non-existent sex drive).

Admittedly, there are times when I've questioned women's motives or desires for having sex. I've been around gay men often enough to know that there's a huge gap in women's desire to have sex (which often seems lukewarm) versus gay men who would be more than happy to jump in bed with me. I often feel like I have to jump through a bunch of hoops, play my cards exactly right, or be a lot better looking than she is, in order to get women to sleep with me, which sometimes makes me wonder if women are just more interested in the validation of watching a guy jump through hoops for her. And, of course, there's plenty of women who lose their desire for sex after having kids (suggesting that maybe the desire to have kids was the only reason she was having sex), and the whole lesbian bed death (which also suggests a low sex drive among women).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Trust me, it's a strawman. She's responsed to a post of mine on the topic and NO I AM NOT SAYING THIS POST IS ONLY ABOUT ME PENNY

[–]PHOENIX_THE_JEAN1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women don't masturbate???

Well I've got a SERIOUS battery budget I'd like to show you....

[–]frugaholic12011 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Seriously though, same here! I have to masturbate every day, at least once. I’m frustrated that I only see my bf once a week because he travels for work, cause I could have sex almost every single day with someone I like and who treats me as an equal, with respect.

Now my ex-husband...? I’d rather be sexless for the rest of my life than have any sex with someone who treated me like him. Thanks, but no thanks! I hope the Red Pill community welcomed him with their arms wide open!

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men aren't coming up with this all on their own. Women are the ones saying they dont masturbate. Men are either rolling their eyes or believing them.

[–]itiswr1ttenEndorsed Negotiable Instrument1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm late but whatever.

Speaking in generalities. There are exceptions, but 90%+ fit in what I'm describing.

Women like and enjoy sex. They masturbate. Lesbians exist. None of this means they have a sex drive. This is the nuance.

Women are sex camels. They'll hold out for the good fresh water, then can happily say "no thanks" for extended periods of time. This is because reactive sexuality isn't a sex drive - it requires the fuel of a partner's attention.

For hetero women, the attention of an attractive man is the source of her sexuality, ipso facto she has an attention drive not a sex drive. Sex is the (attractive) male price of admission for his attention. Relationships get all fucked up if this dynamic isn't maintained.

Unattractive low value men have no frame of reference for real female desire so they super hamster into ridiculous beliefs you have identified in OP. It's just a coping mechanism or solipsism to defend their fragile little egos.

I wrote a whole TRP post on this if you want to hear it in my mansplaining voice 😘

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is because reactive sexuality isn't a sex drive - it requires the fuel of a partner's attention.

Then it isn’t a drive. It’s a response.

[–]itiswr1ttenEndorsed Negotiable Instrument0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I literally wrote a post called Women Do Not Have A Sex Drive in case my view wasn't clear.

[–]eliechallita3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm willing to bet that the men who say that have never pleasured a partner in their life.

[–]HNTIBlack Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or never had sex.

[–]The_Lone_Apple3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Simple answer is that no matter how many words they string together to appear as intellectuals, they have no idea what they are talking about. Period.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

BUT THIS STRING OF WORDS SOUNDS GOOD AND MAKES THE MAN THAT MADE ME MAD FOR REASONS I DON'T UNDERSTAND LOOK STUPID, IN MY OWN HEAD ANYWAY TEE HEE

[–]The_Lone_Apple2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Cute, but still doesn't change the fact that any man who talks about women's enjoyment of sex has no idea what he's talking about.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Bullshit.

That's like telling me I can't understand why dogs piss on everything, because I'm not a dog.

[–]The_Lone_Apple3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

First off, if your dog is pissing on everything then there's a huge problem with your dog. Secondly, the original post is about the pleasure women feel during sex which is something not knowable by anyone other than the woman. Thirdly, if you want a partner to have more pleasure, ask them what pleases them and learn how to do it. For goodness sake it is not that difficult.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

NADALT

Wait next mind, all dogs piss on everything... ADALT. I've been cucked this entire time!

[–]alilabelle 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because for all the shit they talk about women, their longing is severe and they don't what its like to be wanted. I cannot get enough sex from my boyfriend. He has commented on it a few times now.

Desired men understand how much we love sex.

[–]HNTIBlack Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So top 20 % of Chads, ok.

[–]Million-SunsMarriage is obsolete1 point2 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

1- A low percentage of women actually have orgasms.

2- A lot of women use sex not for pleasure but for bread-winning and or a bargaining tool.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

I think the latest status presented are 65% orgasm during hetero sex and 85% during homo. Not exactly a low percentage.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (27 children) | Copy Link

You are wrong.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/ReproductiveHealth/sex-study-female-orgasm-eludes-majority-women/story?id=8485289

About 75 percent of all women never reach orgasm from intercourse alone

[–]quotient_isPurple Pill7 points8 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

About 75 percent of all women never reach orgasm from intercourse alone -- that is without the extra help of sex toys, hands or tongue. And 10 to 15 percent never climax under any circumstances.

Stimulation aside from PIV is a normal part of sex. Per your own article, accounting for this leaves 10 to 15 percent of women who never climax. This is not most women.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy Link

Sure. Stick a vibe in between the two of you.

[–]quotient_isPurple Pill7 points8 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Vibes aren't even required, but sure, why not? Point is your number wasn't accurate.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

That's from the PIV friction alone not taking into account the correct erectile tissue to be stimulated. Debunked and outdated yet relentless freudian paradigms doesn't count.

Women orgasm, only 10-15% don't per the article. Clit is penis. Sex is not piv friction and if that is literally all it amounts to and that is what counts as the entire spectrum of your definition, then fine, you win.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

More precisely, the clit is equivalent to a small percentage of the actual penis: the area just under the frenulum.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes. I updated my post. Striving for and stressing over this non-standard vaginal orgasm based on doing the same piv thrusting repeatedly without modification is ignorance and insanity.

There is a wealth of information out there that women and men can read and watch to educate themselves about how our bodies are designed. I predict this annoying fucking ingrained expectation will trend down in the next few years.

Or if it doesn't, I'll hopefully be menopausal soon and not give a shit.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah well I'm in my 50s and whatever residual libido I had left fucked off years ago, thank Christ.

We'll leave the kids to figure this out, but given that many of them can't figure out what a gender is, I'm not holding out much luck.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If I could gift every frustrated woman a Tango vibe and NJoy wand, along w a little couples lesson, I'd save so many marriages, maybe even society?

Note that neither of these toys look like a Big dong btw.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Give em to them before the wedding, you'd prevent so many.

[–]boomcheese44-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

eah well I'm in my 50s and whatever residual libido I had left fucked off years ago

Are you sure? Most men on here say they dont notice a difference until there 60s...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Very sure.

[–]ifelsedowhilelocal cop - cherry top1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

women don't enjoy sex with betas and betas make up the majority of men. that's the cause of this misconception.

[–]daughterofozai0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

the presence of betas and alphas among humans has been scientifically disproven multiple times

[–]CosmicBioHazard1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

not sure where the claim comes from, but if it were true a lot more men would know who their kids were.

that being the case, wishful thinking? My life would be leagues easier if women didn’t want sex.

[–]HossMcDankEdgy Centrist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

that being the case, wishful thinking? My life would be leagues easier if women didn’t want sex.

How?

[–]Bayard200 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

not sure where the claim comes from, but if it were true a lot more men would know who their kids were.

You're assuming sex is the reason women cheat. HINT: It's not.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

BINGO.

Also, assuming that's the reason women have sex at all in the first place. HINT: It's not.

[–]Orange_PaisleyOrange pill is best pill1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I ask that all the time. I try to assume that they are meeting the wrong women, and/or I am a sexual dynamo.

[–]HNTIBlack Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wrong women = too attractive ??

[–]Scarsallovermybody1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Women use sex as a currency. Otherwise it means nothing to them. Unless someone proves me wrong.

[–]MGTOWKapow3 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Here we go. It'll be fun to watch a few women try.

[–]jonascf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What would you accept as proof that you're wrong?

[–]HNTIBlack Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Upvote

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Incels are a bizarre breed for sure. Pathologically unfuckable and extremely narcissistic at the same time. The depths to which person with such a mindset will go to prove their “problem” is not their own fault is bottomless.

Their celibacy is not/cannot possibly be their fault cause women don’t want sex. The men who get sex are being used, either for their utility or for their “superior genes” which women want for their babies. This is how a person who desperately wants intimacy (not just sex) but is incapable of giving and receiving it sleeps at night.

Tl;dr my misery is not my fault and all other men are miserable too they just don’t know it yet.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Incels play a very dangerously weird game where they think they are de facto entitled to sex with the kind of women they choose, simply because they want sex.

It's like that decades old meme where in those movies a guy fixes his eye on a girl, she says no she's not interested, then adventure happens, and she sees him in a different light after he saves the world, banishes the ghosts back to another dimension, and "fights for her".

Only these guys just want to skip to "I want her, therefore bathe her and bring her to me, that's my right."

The biggest problem with incels is that women latch on to them and quietly suggest that any opposition to the sexual status quo is in faINCEL INCEL INCEL INCEL INCEL

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Breaking news. Women dont like being used as masturbatory socks.

Get a prostate massager you can prob stim it from your perineum. Or, don't, it's your health.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

> Women do not enjoy sex. Any sex they engage in is to gain something from a man, usually in a monetary sense. Women do not masturbate. They lie about it.

Since you're opening to the gallery to complain about me specifically, let me be clear about my position - which you are strawmanning and invalidating:

I never said women don't enjoy masturbation or have sexual feelings.

I was very, VERY specific with my words. Women do not enjoy sexual intercourse with men, are not motivated to do it except in a reactive fashion - in other words, not a drive.

Otherwise, we couldn't have countless, COUNTLESS threads and angsts and gyn visits with girls asking their ob/gyns and life in general why they just don't feel like doing it anymore. Especially after getting "comfortable" with the man, who finally committed to her.

Nor did I ever say women did this vindictively, deliberately, or out of some kind of spite. That could be where you're getting your wires crossed.

[–]alilabelle 1 points [recovered]  (13 children) | Copy Link

Women do not enjoy sexual intercourse with men,

I can't get enough of my boyfriend's cock. Before him, I loved sex too. Biological female here, you sound extremely out of touch!

[–]MGTOWKapow3 1 points [recovered]  (11 children) | Copy Link

Well, the moment he pisses you off it's amazing how much that cock that you craved and did so much OMG would repulse you and do nothing for you.

Almost as if the entirety of the whole thing rested in your head and not between his thighs.

And if it's a function of your headspace, you're not really into the sex, but how it plays out in your own head.

Versus him, who'd still cum a half quart fucking you even after you murdered his dog.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I stayed in an awful relationship with an unattractive man I could barely stand for EIGHT MONTHS, simply because he had an 8 inch dick. I absolutely despised him, but god did I enjoy the hell out of his dick every day until the last.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Interesting.

Watch me suggest that size matters that much, and watch women say "no, no you're wrong, because I don't personally enjoy anything more than three inches, and if he even looks at me the wrong way my clam dries up."

What you've actually demonstrated here is that you really can't trust anything women say in this regard.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m a sex-obsessed size queen. Most women I’ve met aren’t as obsessed with dick as I am.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Or that different women have their own preferences? WTF now you are just being dense. No one is wrong expressing their preference.

Remember that residual vestigial erectile tissue that grows in different area of female genitalia. Sometimes it can be best stimulated by length.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Except that each one will tell you, with a straight face, that her preference is how all women work.

They just want to tell you you're wrong. The one thing a woman loves more than anything else is arguing that a black wall is actually painted white.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You also enjoy arguing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but I don't argue that my own circumstances are representative of all men. I also don't argue that a black wall is clearly white. I argue with people saying it snows in Bahrain every day.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You argue on behalf of all men about the nature of all women based on trends that may have been more normative 20 years ago and are in decline such as female dependance on male income. It's just so old timey. #myscienceisairtight /s

[–]HNTIBlack Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good for you, he's probably fit, social and handsome.

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[–]geyges🐇5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

The part I don't quite get is when some women have trouble giving themselves orgasms, but expect men to do it to them, and expect them to do it well.

I think this also goes along with women's preferences for "experienced" partners, and irrational disgust at "having have to teach a man" how to "sex".

There's this palpable entitlement that goes something like "Make me feel good, and I better not have to put too much effort in".

Again NAWALT, but some are definitely alt.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Wonder why we call a man's participation in sex "performance".

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because it IS a performance. And it’s fucking magnificent to behold. As a heterosexual woman, I have a visceral appreciation for the athleticism of a man’s role in intercourse.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So it's something he does and you sit back and passively appreciate. Got it.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol my appreciation is far from passive.

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

People are weird. I have had women on Reddit tell me discussing their fantasies with their partners “ruined it”... okay, Linda. Have fun wishing for him to do things you could just ask for.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

But telling him ruins it! Doing it ruins it!

It's all about the movie playing in her own head.

Remember the woman who was fantasizing about Mick Jagger? Who could only get off to the thought of that fleshy lipped animatronic muppet railing her? Anyway she ends up meeting him and actually fucking him. During which --- she closed her eyes --- and fantasized about fucking Mick Jagger.

[–]geyges🐇3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's all about the movie playing in her own head.

I think you're being a bit coy about what that movie actually is. She was never attracted to Mick Jagger, just to the idea of Mick Jagger.

Men are very guilty of this too, no? For instance, I don't really like Jennifer Lawrence, I just want to fuck who I think she is. And she could be anything I want in my head.

I think when you actually spend time and pair bond with someone, then you want to fuck that person in particular. You might still have false ideas about them, but its much closer to actual attraction to a person.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We're talking about purely sex here, not intercourse as part of a partnered situation where she's getting all sorts of ancillary benefits, etc.

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think it's not so much that they don't enjoy sex as they don't enjoy having a vagina full of cum.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cum fucks up vaginal PH sometimes and it can be a lot of work to rebalance. Had a 4some fail a few weeks ago because homegirl was way too alkaline for me to get my face all up in. r/ihavesex

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's why the girl showers after. Or you use a condom or bust your load somewhere else. Spitters are quitters ;)

[–]madcockatielAlpha Bird, Slayer of Cloaca0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Breaking: Men on reddit bad at sex, more at 11

[–]throwinoutex-Red Pill, now Purple Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmm, I haven't seen this claim much myself. It sounds like trolling. Maybe some links to quotes would help, because right now it sounds like context is missing.

Anyway, that claim obviously doesn't make sense. Women have to be actively repressed in societies because they enjoy sex, and even then they rebel and take risks for sex - so they obviously enjoy it. If women didn't exist, there wouldn't be so many sluts around. There are way too many sluts around to be solely attributed whores.

[–]guy_246010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've seen people who say they are women who state sex is a risk that it not enjoyable.

"some" ____ believe just about anything, its a meaningless statement.

Having grown up listening to decades of women telling jokes basically about how guys are bad in bed doesn't help.

[–]HossMcDankEdgy Centrist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know anyone who claims this. If they do, it's probably because women have far lower sex drives than men. But "lower" and "zero" are two *very* different things.

For those who will inevitably argue against the obvious, no, women do not "want sex as much as men". If you disagree, have yourself and a female friend go ask random members of the opposite gender for sex and see if you find the same number of partners.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

How the fuck do you know if a man is truly physically attracted to you if he will fuck a dog ugly woman?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because he's actually interested in actual sex.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How do I know if a man is truly physically attracted to me?

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I aint reading the body, lack of experience.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (37 children) | Copy Link

My wife refuses to masturbate, wont look at porn, claims to not enjoy sex or have any interest because she “grew out of it”, does not enjoy orgasms despite my ability to give her unlimited squirting ones, and pretty much stopped being an active participant in our sex life (she is now mostly an obstacle) the instant commitment was attained

For a second there some of the posters here had me convinced this was all on me for behaving unattractively or being uggo or whatever....... but nah. Shes just a frigid cunt. Id wreck pussy just fine and get 5/5 stars with any woman at this sub. If any lady disagrees feel free to pm me and we can arrange a demonstration.

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It sounds like your wife could use therapy. What does this comment have to do with my OP? Never claimed individual women don’t have sexual issues.

[–]TheReformist94-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It sounds like his wife can gtfo and stop direspecting her husband.

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not to me. But you can make whatever judgement on him and his spouse you want to!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Me! Me! I wanna see you wreck MGTOW kapows pussy!!!!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

If he so much as touches my cat, who for the record is also male, really big for a cat, and will fuck you up at the slightest provocation....

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

My cats a big male too but literally terrified of and incapable of killing a slow moving half dead insect.

Rub his belly the wrong way though, and your arms shrrrrredded!!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Rub his belly the wrong way though, and your arms shrrrrredded!!

Cats sure are particular about their tummyrubs

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It is forbidden yet temptation so strong.

[–]ThisIsJustATr1buteHas what plants crave4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Purr purr purr scratch don’t touch me there

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

the instant commitment was attained

When I was younger I had two different girls basically break up with me the instant commitment was attained lol

I wonder if I lucked out?

[–]Reader_Of_Stories 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Achievement Unlocked!

[–]MGTOWKapow3 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

This.

Then she gets older and finds out about the Monty Haul Cash and Prizes loot bag that is family court.

She'll wait a bit longer before screaming "Achievement Unlocked" - and gets half a house, and monthly cash handouts as a result.

[–]Nobodykers0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I was looking for your comment. I'm not disappointed.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Glad i could be of service.

[–]87AudreyHorne0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

My wife refuses to masturbate,

Wow, has she never done it or just stopped? That is severe. Did something happen to her like getting raped?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

There are people who don't. I'm a guy and I don't.

I get prostatitis, which hurts like a motherfucker, and my urologist tells me it's because I don't and should. And I still don't.

[–]87AudreyHorne0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Did you ever?

Do you not do it out of some principle or reason, or you just physically dont enjoy it?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

I don't remember.

But at this point - even though I've been told it's increasing my chances of getting fatal, invasive cancer and it's the reason why I have a couple of minor health problems, one of them painful - seriously, nope. Not interested. Ever.

[–]87AudreyHorne0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Ok, but what is your reasoning? I somehow think it is more than simple disinterest because you're rejecting it so strongly

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Because I don't want to, and I now find the whole thing repulsive.

[–]87AudreyHorne0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

You don't even get an urge then I guess. Cause if you had the urge then it would be like an itch you need to scratch and very distracting to ignore it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Not anymore. I purged myself of those feelings decades ago.

[–]87AudreyHorne0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I know you said you did that with wanting sex and relationships with women, but can't masturbation just be a great way of taking care of yourself? I don't see masturbation as "lesser substitute for sex" but its own thing completely. At least for me, it doesnt make me crave sex, its just a private act.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Meanwhile, my husband forbids me to masturbate and gets upset with me when I do. -_-

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Bit of the old orgasm denial eh?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah it's a fetish :P

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A fun one too hehe.

[–]azngirl76890 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you’re this miserable, man up and leave

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cant. Im a dick in distress. Its like a damsel in distress except i need a female white knight to save me, she can ride in on a white steed and then ride my white dick and take me away from all this.

[–]WestsideMoonWalkerNot a Negative Creep0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because they got a massive concussion and forgot how to mentally function, probably. People says lots of dumb shit though. It's just a way to filter who not to take seriously out.

Like just, in a vacuum, the amount of total fucking crackpots on this sub is actually ridiculous.

[–]meomeowmeoww 1 points [recovered]  (40 children) | Copy Link

My clitoris is not near my vaginal opening and is therefore not being simulated when the man thrusts.

I suppose it depends on the man's size and hardness as well.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

inb4 someone patronizingly explaining to you that the clitoris bulbs around your vulva, and has nerves that extend into the vaginal barrel, and isn't just the little nub you can see, etc. etc. etc.

EDIT: I was agreeing with meowmeowmeowmeow

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (38 children) | Copy Link

Erectile tissue develops in various areas of the genitalia, and it varies from female to female. Even men have diff levels of sensitivity, diff techniques that can stim their prostate, etc. Thats just more advanced level fucking. The basics people need to understand is clit = penis head. So if clit rides high (mine does) then it needs the appropriate stim.

FFS can't y'all even tap into your evo-bio blogs and understand there is an evolutionary advantage for women to also enjoy sex?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I am not an incel or RPer that subscribes to that nonsense.

And current research from reputable scientists sees no evolutionary reason for the female orgasm, it's just a function of the fact that certain structures are still in play in a sexually dimorphic organism, e.g. for the same reason men have nipples but they don't do anything.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's advantageous not required. Orgasm releases oxytocin, which is good for the male. If a beta can play his alpha widows body like a fiddle, he has a shot at preventing that inevitable branch swing, wheeeeeee!!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So I guess that's why women never leave their right hand.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right hand man?

[–]meomeowmeoww 1 points [recovered]  (33 children) | Copy Link

it needs the appropriate stim.

yes, which might not be given. and sex is basically piv, the clit rubbing is not something that is necessary or ontop of (men's) mind.

I see a lot of men saying women' don't want sex blah blah, but they never consider that sex is like, nothing for a woman. Mne loooooveeee sex and Its understandable why. They cum like 99% of the time.

I compared sex for women as men having sex with big loose vaginas that stimulate nothing. I think men wouldn't care about sex if sex was like tjhat for them.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

That's why we are in control of our own orgasms, and there is a lot more education and acceptance for it than even 20 years ago when I was hopping onto that carousel.... Yay feminismmmmmm!!!

[–]meomeowmeoww 1 points [recovered]  (23 children) | Copy Link

I could just use a vivrator instead why is the man necessary

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Man isn't necessary just to cum. But it feels better when your holes are simultaneously stuffed and his hips are grinding against your ass and you can taste his fresh sweat and he has his hand around your throat and biting the back of your neck like a fucking lion, roaaaaaarrrrrrr!!!!

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Vibrators are more fun with a man.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

My gf has one that is remote controlled from my phone. Very fun especially in public 😈

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Kids these days are always on their phones!

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I have been fucked by an industry-grade fucking machine, with a magic wand on my clit. One of the most intense orgasms of my life.

I still prefer real dick, and I can’t even cum from intercourse without simultaneous clit stim.

I don’t fantasize about getting fucked by machines. I fantasize about getting fucked by men. Sex is about more than just the physical sensation on my clit in the lead up to and during orgasm.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

The machine can't mow your lawn, validate your feelings, or pay your car note.

Just saying.

[–]screenmagnet30F non-trad, HL, alt-feminist, PPW1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Tell me more about what makes my pussy wet. Clearly I’ve just deluded myself into believing I love dick.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yes, you're confusing the entire experience with the actual sex.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

  • Flattery
  • Validation
  • Worrying the men who's taking out the trash and paying your bills is going to leave you
  • Cruelty
  • The ability to hurt another girl by getting to a guy she wants before he does, or to wreck her marriage by having meaningless sex with her man

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

DING DING DING we have a winner.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

DING DING DING

He isn't. In fact, he gets in the way of you, your Hitachi wand, and happiness.

The answer is cash, prizes, presents, doing all the chores you think are icky, lifting heavy things and protecting you from burglars.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The same feminism that teaches that all heterosexual intercourse is rape?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Naw, that feminism is lame sauce

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Most variants of feminism include some variant of that meme

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No. And I don't want to debate that and I'm not a feminist. Don't kill my fun tonight! Been sick as a dog now working like a betabux man to catch up all week.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not going to kill your fun. You identify how you want and do what you want.

[–]TheReformist940 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

So you can't feel the thrusting?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The vagina only has nerve endings right at the mouth end. Well, pleasure ones anyway. There's certainly a lot of pain ones the entire length of the tuna trench.

[–]Transmigratory0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think a lot of people, men and women, of PPD could really benefit from actually stepping outside the house.

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy1 point2 points  (57 children) | Copy Link

Ime women don’t care about performance or technique really at all, pretty much they just care how hot you are / if they’re attracted to you

Hence why guys think women don’t like sex itself but rather the guy they’re doing it with

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 10 points11 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

According to nearly all men in PPD, men absolutely care more about the attractiveness of their partners than technique. By this logic men don’t like sex.

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

men absolutely care more about the attractiveness of their partners than technique

mostly because sex where the woman leads/sets the pace is boring. technique only matters for giving head

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is silly to me as well. I've been with girls hotter than my current girlfriend but the sex was not nearly as good.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

Most men would fuck a 3/10 passed out behind a dumpster if there weren't going to be any consequences. They damn well DO like sex.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

But they'd insult and treat her like shit though

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Sure, but they'd fuck her. That's the point of what I'm saying.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

As soon as its over, they'd forget they ever fucked her in the first place.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

But. They. Would. Still. Fuck. Her.

You're actually proving my point, by pointing out that where's the dinner afterwards? The ring? The presents? The praise? The cuddling?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

How can you truly like something(sex) that you would later forget about?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

For the same reason you don't sit there reminiscing about the hamburger you've eaten.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I reminisce about foods I love all the time. It's the reason why I want to eat it again

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

That’s a pretty solid point

Anyway for arguments sake I’d say that it’s pretty tough for a woman to be bad at sex, even if she just sorta lies there and takes it, it’s still ok so long as there’s a hole to fuck.

[–]alilabelle 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

Classy

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Do you know just how many women lie there and starfish?

[–]ThisIsJustATr1buteHas what plants crave2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

If this sub is a tell almost all of them.

I’m curious how is starfish defined? I picture her literally spread eagle arms and legs on corners of the bed.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yup. And immobile.

[–]ThisIsJustATr1buteHas what plants crave3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That just paints a hilarious picture. I don’t get it, it seems like a meme.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a depressing picture. Here you are, trying to actually engage with another human being, and she's lying there with her eyes closed trying to live in a fantasy world, or worse still, with her eyes open in a bored glazed stare all like "just get on with it. I'm putting together the shopping list together in my head."

[–]alilabelle 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

No because I don't know what it is poke to be in bed with an unattractive man that I don't want and I never will

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Which implies that that many women are in bed with unattractive men that they don't want and that's how most men understand sex.

In an attempt to mock me, what you've actually managed to do is underline RP theory with a big fuckoff red pen.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Yeah that's just straight up wrong wrong wrong. I understand for some people's perspective like mgtow-kpow that since the female sexual experience is very different than the males it doesn't count as actual drive and desire. I don't necessarily agree with it but I can sort of grok the idea even though orgasm physically manifests the same in both m and f. But orgasm is only one component of drive and desire.

But the performance thing is straight up negative incel think.

Also both m and f seek validation from sex so thats not a distinction. Otherwise we wouldnt have incels and lots of financially secure hookers.

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy1 point2 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

LOL “YoURe aN iNcEL” great argument

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not calling anyone an incel. It's just a negative defeatist mindset that all a person needs is looks and they can float through life being an asshole providing zero value to others.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

She's talking about me, and I'm not taking it that way.

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 3 points4 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

No I am not solely talking about you. You are one of many men who have made this claim over many years. Get over yourself.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy Link

Weird, I didn't use the word "only". Is your browser showing that word?

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

I am responding to your 7000 other replies where you seem to think my OP is only addressing you and therefore the other men’s stances I reference are strawmanning. I am sure you’re excited about attention but I am not responding to every comment you make.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

Well, we'll call it even since you've spent the same number of posts twisting my words around to suggest I don't think women masturbate or have any sexual sensations at all.

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼[S] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

I never said you stated that about masturbation. I was clear this was about multiple men. That you desperately need this OP to be about JUST YOU, is not my problem. Go pet your cats.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but I never said word one about women not having sexual feelings, so I'm wondering why you're attributing this to me.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

That is.. exactly how men work. The better looking the girl, the less tricks she has to do.

[–]oftheinfinite 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

What "tricks" do women do in sex, if you care to explain? Women WANT sexually dominant men who do a lot of sexual work. The only time a woman would have tricks is if she is sexually dominant and we all know they don't even exist in a heterosexual relationship.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Deepthroating, getting on top, having to put on a performance worthy of a porn oscar. If you're pretty all you gotta do is arch your back or lie down.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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