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this article contaoins some amazing mental illness from cheryl sandberg

Women — and especially women of color — don’t get the same amount of mentoring as men, “which means we’re not getting an equal seat at the table,” Sandberg says. “It’s not enough to not harass us, you need to not ignore us, either.”

and

Now Sandberg says it’s time for men to “step up” and “redefine what it means to be a good guy at work”

anyway, i dont even know what i want to discuss about this article, but it seems like a good post for us to talk about here, so have at it lol


[–]CainPrice 131 points132 points  (118 children) | Copy Link

This was already the case in many companies. Long before MeToo, in my company, it was our official policy that male and female employees are never alone in a closed-door office. Additionally, any time you call in a female employee for termination or a reprimand, you always have another woman present.

On the other side of things, any time a female employee lodges a complaint about a male employee, it doesn't matter who you believe or what proof exists. You put the male on suspension and find another office, shift, or position where he won't be around the woman any more.

Nobody in corporate gives a shit about women's rights, men's rights, the truth, MeToo, or any of that garbage. Your job is to cover the company's ass and avoid lawsuits.

[–]ACmotif 35 points36 points  (47 children) | Copy Link

Nobody in corporate gives a shit about women's rights, men's rights, the truth, MeToo, or any of that garbage. Your job is to cover the company's ass and avoid lawsuits.

Why isn't your comment much higher?

[–]katie_dimples 33 points34 points  (45 children) | Copy Link

Agreed.

HR is not there to protect the employee (accuser or accused), it's not there to play referee, and it's certainly not there to ferret out the truth in ambiguous situations.

It's there to protect the company and minimize drama. Period.

[–]CainPrice 39 points40 points  (42 children) | Copy Link

We eventually just stopped hiring women, especially women under 40, unless their credentials were absolutely amazing. Just as kind of a loose and unofficial rule. It's saved the company a lot of hassle.

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[–]CainPrice 26 points27 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

It's just business. Lots of companies do it.

A good, non-slacker 22 year old guy out of college will work 16 hours a day, take on any task you assign to him even if it's not technically his job, won't gossip or complain, and if we have to fire or reprimand him he won't accuse anybody of anything to deflect blame, and isn't going to disappear to plan a wedding and take a honeymoon, then get pregnant, then start flaking and need special considerations for childcare.

Unfortunately, he's also going to find another job in 5 years that pays more and move on, and we have to keep repeating the process. But that still beats the hell out of working with women in their 20s.

[–]guffynemo 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't think you realize how much men can be like women here. Also if maybe you should pay him more to keep him. I know what a concept, but management never learns and wonder why they have the turn over that they do.

[–]CainPrice 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Definitely. Nobody understands the value of human capital. Not business owners, not experienced HR executives, not heads of departments. Just about the only people who understand human capital are the capital. Once somebody is promoted above a certain level, they suddenly get stupid about that.

[–]guffynemo 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Funny how that works. Though I think a lot of the problem is management distances themselves from labor. As that distance means management isn't aware of what's going on just what they are told is going on. With that disconnect they end up losing people and don't get why.

[–]darudeboysandstormHaving Instagram makes you a thot 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

he's also going to find another job in 5 years that pays more and move on

Hell before consulting I did this every year.

[–]KV-n 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

how tf did anyone hire you with such history

[–]darudeboysandstormHaving Instagram makes you a thot 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

By delivering and having a history of such.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You just explained why women quotas have to be a thing to enable women to get into certain fields of the workforce. Boy, im glad feminism exists. Also, you sure men dont gossip & cause drama lol? Ive seen a lot of dramatic men in my life. Judge people by individuality not by gender, thats what work interviews are for - which should be held by unbiased people.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You wouldn't like to work at these companies that don't hire women because they can't exploit them like young guys who want to prove themselves.

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[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Make my dick jump metaphorically or did you just assume I'm a man?

[–][deleted]  (27 children) | Copy Link

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[–]guffynemo 10 points11 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

They’re not used to have to actually compete with everyone else.

Despite white men are. White men been competing for jobs against other for sometime now.

black kids are outperforming yours

Your source doesn't say what you think it does. Just because one is more educated doesn't mean they perform better. Some of the best workers I know of have been only high school educated hispanic men.

So who’s the underclass now? Don’t work though, we’ll be sure to kindly treat you with the same empathy you’ve always shown us.

There's no doubt men as whole will be second class to women. But at the same time white men will create their own businesses. So your man hate here will be avoided.

[–]poppy_blu -3 points-2 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Despite white men are

Ah, found another finelow alt account. This is like a where’s Waldo game. LMBAO

[–]guffynemo 10 points11 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

I like how you can't even reply to what I said.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Get used to that with her

[–]Aishita 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She and many of her ilk often do this. They like to cite sources that actually have nothing to do with their claims. Kind of sad actually.

[–]Aishita 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She and many of her ilk often do this. They like to cite sources that actually have nothing to do with their claims. Kind of sad actually.

[–]Aishita 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She and many of her ilk often do this. They like to cite sources that actually have nothing to do with their claims. Kind of sad actually.

[–]Aishita 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She and many of her ilk often do this. They like to cite sources that actually have nothing to do with their claims. Kind of sad actually.

[–]Aishita 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She and many of her ilk often do this. They like to cite sources that actually have nothing to do with their claims. Kind of sad actually.

[–]Aishita 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She and many of her ilk often do this. They like to cite sources that actually have nothing to do with their claims. Kind of sad actually.

[–]Aishita 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She and many of her ilk often do this. They like to cite sources that actually have nothing to do with their claims and resort to insults when they lose the debate. Kind of sad actually.

[–]Aishita 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She and many of her ilk often do this. They like to cite sources that actually have nothing to do with their claims and resort to insults when they lose the debate. Kind of sad actually.

[–]Aishita 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She and many of her ilk often do this. They like to cite sources that actually have nothing to do with their claims and resort to insults when they lose the debate. Kind of sad actually.

[–]Aishita 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She and many of her ilk often do this. They like to cite sources that actually have nothing to do with their claims and resort to insults when they lose the debate. Kind of sad actually.

[–]Aishita 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She and many of her ilk often do this. They like to cite sources that actually have nothing to do with their claims and resort to insults when they lose the debate. Kind of sad actually.

[–]Aishita 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She and many of her ilk often do this. They like to cite sources that actually have nothing to do with their claims and resort to insults when they lose the debate. Kind of sad actually.

[–]Aishita 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She and many of her ilk often do this. They like to cite sources that actually have nothing to do with their claims and resort to insults when they lose the debate. Kind of sad actually.

[–]Aishita 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She and many of her ilk often do this. They like to cite sources that actually have nothing to do with their claims and resort to insults when they lose the debate. Kind of sad actually.

[–]Aishita 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She and many of her ilk often do this. They like to cite sources that actually have nothing to do with their claims and resort to insults when they lose the debate. Kind of sad actually.

[–]Aishita 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She and many of her ilk often do this. They like to cite sources that actually have nothing to do with their claims and resort to insults when they lose the debate. Kind of sad actually.

[–]Aishita 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She and many of her ilk often do this. They like to cite sources that actually have nothing to do with their claims and resort to insults when they lose the debate. Kind of sad actually.

[–]Aishita 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She and many of her ilk often do this. They like to cite sources that actually have nothing to do with their claims and resort to insults when they lose the debate. Kind of sad actually.

[–]Aishita 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She and many of her ilk often do this. They like to cite sources that actually have nothing to do with their claims and resort to insults when they lose the debate. Kind of sad actually.

[–]Aishita 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She and many of her ilk often do this. They like to cite sources that actually have nothing to do with their claims and resort to insults when they lose the debate. Kind of sad actually.

[–]passepar2t 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who's the underclass now? Basically everyone who isn't rich. People need to direct their underclass rage at the wealthy, not against random whites or blacks or males or females.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re a breath of fresh air in this sub full of gammons.

[–]guffynemo 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

HR doesn't care about drama, its only there to protect the company pure and simple.

[–]WestsideMoonWalkerGrizzly Bear Conflict Manager 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Eh, in general, the HR people I've met and am friends with (outside of a work context) seem to try to do right by their employees. Yes, they are there to protect the company, but the ones I know also do what they can to make employees lives easier. Admittedly I'd consider them all to be examples of great HR leaders though.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nobody in corporate gives a shit about women's rights, men's rights, the truth, MeToo, or any of that garbage.

This is a simple over-generalization from a person who hasn't met the multitudes of female or gay male HR VP's, Directors and Managers whose sole purpose in life is to further all of a company's efforts towards supporting their personal bias. Anyone who doesn't believe this has not reviewed the Facts of the James Damore/ Google case.

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar 6 points7 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Wtf industry was your company in? That sounds insane.

Was sexual harassment a frequently reported issue?

[–]CainPrice 11 points12 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

It only has to happen once or twice before the guys in charge decide they're done with this shit and they start enforcing ass-covering policies.

The first time was before my time, but supposedly it was really bad because the company didn't have any official policies in place, so there was some big stink about how it was a culture conducive to sexual harassment. There was a cash settlement for that one. Now, at least, we can say we have official policies in place, so if somebody alleges something, we get to off-load the blame and say that the guy was breaking company policy, fire him, note that this was the first and only instance of any sign or allegation of misbehavior or violation of policy on his part and we fired him immediately as per company policy because we stand against sexual harassment, and wash our hands of it.

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

You never said which industry...

[–]CainPrice 8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I'm really careful about personal information on Reddit. I have a girlfriend, a job, a house in a nice neighborhood, and live in a pretty liberal US city. My neighborhood is chock full of liberal housewives who had time to march and protest when Trump got elected, and they're on Facebook all damn day bitching about local politicians who aren't liberal enough while out the other side of their mouths they complain about the apartments going up nearby and the type of people they'll attract and wish we had more restaurants around.

If enough crazy people made a stink about my opinionated internet views to my employer, I'd be fired just so they don't have to deal with that crap. My girlfriend would dump me if she saw one tenth of my Reddit posting history. And I definitely wouldn't be invited to any neighborhood barbecues this summer.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It sounds like you're sorta hiding who you are brother? Even though your life sounds great I kinda feel for you. Ideally I'd like to say you should be who you are but in the world today it's kind of hard.

[–]CainPrice 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Meh. It's just how the world works. When you're on a date, you hold in your farts, shower, shave, and dress well. You behave in a way she'll find attractive. She does the same for you.

So instead of telling her you're an anti-feminist who presents negative views about women on the internet, you pretend you're a liberal, sex positive feminist. You don't go to rallies or march in parades or anything. You've got a job and no time to be a crazy activist. You just act like it's normal and obvious that everybody is liberal, get laid, and repeat.

Pretending is all part of the game of life, the same way you pretend you're open to the possibility of more than something casual. The same way you rearrange your resume and answer right at a job interview and don't tell your boss to fuck off even if that's what you're really thinking inside.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I totally understand that part. I would never say I'm a sex-positive feminist though. That's just lying and hiding who you are because of the consequences, which I'm not really judging, but I don't enjoy being that way.

I've had plenty of girls be attracted to me even more (which wasn't the goal) when I said I think feminism has gone a little bit to far, even though I think it has it's merits. I think being an anti-feminist is going too far and just kind of being ignorant on the other side.

It's the reason I can't fully commit to TRP. Alot of what they say is true, but alot is just hateful of women and anti-feminist. Angry dudes who are obsessed with having sex with 10s, and can't really accept where they fall in the human spectrum. Feminism emerged for a reason and had it's place, but now a small minority are pushing that stupid new 3rd wave feminism, which in my experience alot of women don't even agree with.

Anyways just my POV friend but I think being as truthful as possible is important. I've always thought this, haven't learned it from JBP or anything like that. The more you lie about that stuff the more you lie about other things, and the further it takes you away from being happy.

And the telling the boss to fuck off properly is a skill. Being angry and thinking "fuck off" won't help you or him. That's why communication is a skill that can always be improved. The more resistance an asshole boss feels from you, even if you don't say anything, the more they'll fucking push you and be an asshole. Learned this the hard way. This is where eastern philosophy and buddhist thought can help.

[–]Morristron2099 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine how many are like you? And keeping seperate lives to avoid ideological snitching is some real Stalinesque bullshit.

[–]santamademe[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So you’re a sexist guy who lies to get laid and get ahead?

I can see why you lie.

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well it’s really hard to take your point unless you can share the industry or at least work environment. Office? Factory? Underwater adventures. Is your field so specialised you can be identified by it? Doubtful.

If enough crazy people made a stink about my opinionated internet views to my employer, I'd be fired just so they don't have to deal with that crap. My girlfriend would dump me if she saw one tenth of my Reddit posting history. And I definitely wouldn't be invited to any neighborhood barbecues this summer.

Yeah you sound overly shook lol. Whatever.

[–]CainPrice 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe. But my real life is pretty sweet nowadays. Nothing in my real life is worth even the slightest risk in favor of my internet hobby.

[–]poppy_blu 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Wait, so they were done with getting reported for their acts of sexual harassment? They were mad they couldn’t get away with it any more?

Why metoo happened in the first place...

[–]CainPrice 19 points20 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Individuals commit sexual harassment, not companies.

What companies are sick of is getting sued by women over the "culture" and "work environment" because they have the deep pockets to may a payout while the actual alleged harasser doesn't.

Companies don't give a shit about who's getting away with what. They just don't want to get sued.

[–]poppy_blu -3 points-2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

So what you’re actually saying is that the company owners were mad because these incidents of sexual harassment were taking place and they instituted a policy to fire the guilty parties, a policy which you said yourself has made it better for all involved?

Wow. What a concept. 🤯

[–]CainPrice 17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Not necessarily the guilty parties. The accused party, regardless of guilt.

The policy is neutral: Don't be alone with a woman in your office with the door closed. Not worded that way, obviously, but that's the desired outcome.

The reason for termination is also neutral. You could get sued if you terminate a guy for sexual harassment without proof. You terminate for violating company policy.

The reason for the policy is not to protect women or prevent sexual harassment. It's to prevent the company from being sued by women, whether their allegations are true or false.

The policy exists to cover the company's ass. Corporate doesn't care who gets raped or who gets falsely accused. They just care how much it costs them.

[–]pizza_tron 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You could argue it's not that they don't care, it's that they are not prepared to deal with these issues. How could they? We barely have a functioning legal system that can. It's basically he said she said so they implement rules giving incentive for employees not to sexually harass or not put themselves in a position where they could be sexually harassed.

[–]pizza_tron 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You could argue it's not that they don't care, it's that they are not prepared to deal with these issues. How could they? We barely have a functioning legal system that can. It's basically he said she said so they implement rules giving incentive for employees not to sexually harass or not put themselves in a position where they could be sexually harassed.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

fire the guilty parties

No one said they were guilty. Just that it's easier to dispose of the guy than have to deal with paying anything out. It's just shifting the blame to someone who is easier to hate. You know, because being born with a penis somehow makes him guilty first. I mean, you already decided he was guilty.

policy which you said yourself has made it better for all involved?

Wow. What a concept. 🤯

It's cute that you think the company did this for anyone else's benefit.

Companies choose the route that saves them the most money. That same company you just lauded for doing the right thing also has an unwritten policy of not hiring women under 40. This somewhat warms the fading embers of the fabled Patriarchy discriminating against women in the workplace and you're supporting the decision made by the owners.

Is it only sexist when it's not in women's favour?

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

an unwritten policy of not hiring women under 40

Not the owners but the people involved in the hiring process, I suppose

[–]mgtow_1 10 points11 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

Why is the male's schedule moved and not the female's?

[–]CainPrice 16 points17 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

If the woman files a complaint, then you change her shift or relocate her, she's going to shit a brick and hire a lawyer.

I guess you could always promote her, give a her a cushy shift, and more money and she won't complain, but that's not exactly practical.

[–]mgtow_1 27 points28 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

Even if the accusations are false. That just tells us women hold all the power with the current systems and the only way to protect yourself is don't hire them, work alone with them, etc.

[–]CainPrice 22 points23 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. We kind of have a loose understanding among the hiring authorities that unless a woman's credentials are absolutely amazing and the big boss likes her, we just sort of don't hire women under 40.

Honestly, false sexual allegations aren't that big of a concern. It's more that most young women suck to work with.

A girl in her 20s out of college is going to disappear any second to plan a wedding and go on a honeymoon once her boyfriend proposes. Then she's going to get pregnant, maybe even need bedrest. Then she's out for maternity leave. Then she's constantly flaking and needing special hours and provisions for childcare. And once that cycle starts, there's no legal way to get rid of her. Even if she actually sucks at her job.

[–]nemma8834/F/UK Married 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

constantly flaking and needing special hours and provisions for childcare

All the guys around me do this all the time, fetching kids home from school etc. It's pretty normal in a office set up to have that kind of flexible working.

And obviously men go on honeymoon and get married also, they just don't have the pregnancy stuff.

[–]qwertyuiop111222Purple Pill Masticator 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

men ...just don't have the pregnancy stuff.

TIL

[–]nemma8834/F/UK Married 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean they don't have morning sickness, pregnancy related illnesses or giving birth. They will still go to a lot of the appointments and have paternity, but likely less time off as they are not physically pregnant.

[–]the_calibre_cat 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

omg you misogynist

[–]CDBallerReeks of Red 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

How have they not gotten hit with a discrimination lawsuit?

[–]poppy_blu 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That would ruin the plot though.

[–]CainPrice 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women aren't as insane and bitchy as you might imagine. If they get the same polite form letter thanking them for coming in and wishing them success elsewhere that men get, and that they've gotten from a dozen other jobs they've applied for, they're not going to get furious, look up information on your company, and sue the company. How many rejections did you get when you were applying? Did you honestly take them all personally and think that this one specific one might be discrimination?

And there are enough small-mid sized companies out there that nobody's counting your employees and enforcing diversity hiring quotas. It's not like we have zero women. Just generally women over 40 for anything that requires a degree. We even have a female supervisor. She's 55. We go shooting together sometimes.

But anyway, some random woman who gets the form letter instead of a job offer isn't going to sue the company for discrimination. She'd be hard-pressed to find a lawyer who would take her on.

[–]binkerfluid 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

im assuming they dont talk about it

[–]guffynemo 3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You do realize women are marrying less and getting pregnant less right? Especially early on in life?

[–]CainPrice 16 points17 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Cool. I'll print out a bunch of internet articles on the topic and present them to my boss first thing Monday and tell him we need to get a more diverse workforce ASAP.

No, wait. I'll just do my job instead.

[–]guffynemo -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Because I totally said to make your workplace more diverse. Why do I get the feeling you simply hate women or that least have a sexist view?

[–]the_calibre_cat 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Mainly because he didn't immediately agree to change his evil sexist ways despite the pop progressive articles and stats you're no doubt referencing.

Therefore, the conclusion is inescapable: /u/CainPrice is an evil, forsaken, irredeemable sexist.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit, just google Huffpost editorial staff and tell me they aren't sexist and racist.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit, just google Huffpost editorial staff and tell me they aren't sexist and racist.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women over 40 make the best employees, that's all I hire on the clerical level.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women over 40 make the best employees, that's all I hire on the clerical level.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women over 40 make the best employees, that's all I hire on the clerical level.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women over 40 make the best employees, that's all I hire on the clerical level.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women over 40 make the best employees, that's all I hire on a clerical level.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women over 40 make the best employees, that's all I hire on a clerical level.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

A girl in her 20s out of college is going to disappear any second to plan a wedding and go on a honeymoon once her boyfriend proposes

That barely happens anymore.

[–]CainPrice 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll let the boss know so we can start hiring more women ASAP.

[–]pizza_tron 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's like bar rules. If a girls tells the bouncer she wants a guy out of the bar/club, he's usually out. Doesn't matter who was right or wrong.

[–]pizza_tron 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's like bar rules. If a girls tells the bouncer she wants a guy out of the bar/club, he's usually out. Doesn't matter who was right or wrong.

[–]poppy_blu 6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Funny you mention this. I had to fire this man who reported to me. It’s policy that you have to have HR present when you fire someone so there’s a witness to what happened and what was said. Instead if having the HR woman with me, the EVP, a 6’3” bruiser of a dude, was like “let me go with you.” Because everyone was scared he was going to get pissed and attack me.

[–]CainPrice 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a good policy to do all terminations and disciplinary actions with an extra witness present, regardless of sex.

That said, if the person being fired is a woman, you can't have two men in the room alone with her doing it. Always have a female VP of HR or the equivalent in the room.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Poppy playin' Straw Boss, I bet that felt good.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Poppy playin' Strawboss, bet that felt good.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Poppy playin' Strawboss, I bet that felt good.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Poppy playin' Strawboss, bet that felt good.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Poppy playin' Straw-boss, bet that felt good.

[–]robertfrostt 2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

it was our official policy that male and female employees are never alone in a closed-door office. Additionally, any time you call in a female employee for termination or a reprimand, you always have another woman present.

I am curious though where your company is located? In the US that would qualify as discrimination by gender and violate equal opportunity laws.

[–]CainPrice 13 points14 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

How does not having a man and a woman in a closed-door office together violate any laws? It's not even discriminatory. The rule applies to the men in question, too.

If I wanted to try to advance in the company via a little one-on-one time with a female supervisor, company policy says I have to leave her office door open when I come in. You know, so people can hear us and I don't rape her because as we all know, men love to rape.

[–]robertfrostt 2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

How does not having a man and a woman in a closed-door office together violate any laws?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_employment_opportunity

You can't say some person can't work with some other person based on their gender. It's no different than saying two homosexuals can't work in the same room together.

[–]CainPrice 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm afraid your idea wouldn't pan out in a lawsuit. Nobody's being prohibited from working together.

I don't think a guy and a girl have any business being alone in a closed-door office on company time. Just keep the door open so everybody knows that nobody's committing a sex crime, or better yet, meet in the big conference room with windows everywhere. That way, if somebody accuses somebody of something, the dozen people who walked by didn't see anything, the woman didn't scream or protest loud enough to be heard, and life is good.

[–]robertfrostt 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm afraid your idea wouldn't pan out in a lawsuit. Nobody's being prohibited from working together.

Clearly they are if they can't meet in 1 on 1. I mean you know female managers have males report to them, vica versa.

Also are you from the US? You seem a bit not familiar with how employment discrimination works. You can't make decisions in employment openly based on someone's gender, sexual orientation, or race.

I don't think a guy and a girl have any business being alone in a closed-door office on company time.

Uh sure they do lol. In tech companies all over San Francisco and Silicon Valley female managers or male managers have 1 on 1's with the opposite gender. Being as liberal as it is here I have never heard of any company having such a rule.

[–]the_calibre_cat 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can't make decisions in employment openly based on someone's gender, sexual orientation, or race.

omfg

You people actually believe this

You actually believe that words on pieces of paper stop people from mediating human interactions the way that everyone except for our woke leftist friends sees that they must obviously be mediated? They don't. The company will do what it must do to protect itself, and most reasonable people read the rules, and then conclude "Gosh, that's reasonable, also I'd prefer to keep my job so I'll follow this eminently understandable policy" and go on to have perfectly normal careers.

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's why most MeToo cases were from big IT companies. It's their liberal policy that just fire any male who have some conflicting views really. IT companies have most gynocentric policies that's what they love to call being liberal.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit, as a male employee at Netflix you can't even stare at a woman for more than 5 seconds without threat of dismissal. Are you even aware of the feminist/sjw shitshow that Silicon Valley is?

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit, as a male employee at Netflix you can't even stare at a woman for more than 5 seconds without threat of dismissal. Are you even aware of the feminist/sjw shitshow that Silicon Valley is?

[–]LuxuriousBottleCap 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You can't say some person can't work with some other person based on their gender

This is a common policy among many companies. Same for travel situations. Company pays for 1 room for 2 men, 2 rooms for a man and a woman. I have never heard of a company covering travel and booking opposite gender people in a room together. Though same sex is fairly common.

[–]robertfrostt 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Company pays for 1 room for 2 men, 2 rooms for a man and a woman. I have never heard of a company covering travel and booking opposite gender people in a room together. Though same sex is fairly common.

I am only talking about meeting rooms at the office.

[–]angels-fanLoves Pibbles 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nobody is saying you can't meet. You just have to leave the door open or meet in a visible place.

[–]Zippo-Cat 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nobody in corporate gives a shit about women's rights, men's rights, the truth, MeToo, or any of that garbage. Your job is to cover the company's ass and avoid lawsuits.

Uh, right. Except the rule itslef is estabilished precisely because the company knows that one-on-one intersex meetings can result in trouble.

So, they "don't care about it" yet they're keenly aware of it?

[–]CainPrice 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Different sides of the same coin.

Corporate doesn't care who gets raped or who gets falsely accused. They care what it costs the company.

[–]MisterJose 34 points35 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"Fuck you, men. You suck. You're the cause of all problems. Your desires are evil, and no one will ever love you...now come help me with this."

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You forgot "who hurt you" and "show me factual evidence, not your hunches, by the way, back to my pound me too Chinese Whispers star chamber"

[–]i_amtheice 55 points56 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

“It’s not enough to not harass us, you need to not ignore us, either.”

Go fuck yourself.

[–]Zippo-Cat 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Telling her to go fuck herself you're giving her attention, you're playing right into her hands!

[–]cattermelon34ADHD medication is a feminist conspiracy -1 points0 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I know!! Not wanting to get harassed? The nerve!!

[–]blackkindergods 22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Selective reading.

Imagine an incel saying you can’t ignore lol

[–]everything_is_creepy 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gotta admit... That's actually a pretty good analogy

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

What incentive does a man have to mentor a woman he can't at least imagine having a chance of fucking?

That's the game.

They're taking their ball and going home now.

What do?

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What incentive does a man have to mentor a woman he can't at least imagine having a chance of fucking?

Why mentor men?

[–]Aeiexgjhyoun_IIIPurple Pill Man 16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because men won't falsely accuse you for money

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He was talking about what the woman will do for them (fucking) not what they don't risk with men.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You'd have to ask them, but my guess is men actually relate to other men in a way they do not to women.

[–]passepar2t 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Look, if y'all want absolute safety from harassment, at the expense of some falsely accused men being summarily fired, then you can't expect strong mentorship opportunities from men. You have to pick one - which is the lesser of two evils.

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad 23 points24 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Men and women both can spot professional victims that contribute nothing and make an issue out of everything from a mile away. What a coincidence that the people being ignored are the people writing articles like this.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm pretty sure Sheryl Sandberg isn't being ignored.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

((( Sheryl Sandberg )))

[–]RedStellaSaffordRetired from PurplePillDebate. 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck off with that anti-Semitism.

[–]pizza_tron 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Easier said than done. I don't know if you have worked in a corporate environment before but there are people all over waiting to stab you in the back.

[–]pizza_tron 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Easier said than done. I don't know if you have worked in a corporate environment before but there are people all over waiting to stab you in the back.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy 42 points43 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

My buddy worked a few offices down from Sandberg (he's moved to an international FB office) and some of the stories he would recount about her were unbelievable. She is truly a vile human.

[–]SirNemesismary cucked joseph 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do share. I get the impression she is the devil on Zuck's shoulder having more sway than all the other execs who quit, but that's all just my speculative impression.

[–]vanBeethovenLudwigroses are red, feminists are blue 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Curious about the stories as well.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I don't know if you saw that PBS Frontline investigation last fall about Russian meddling in elections all over the world and US but she comes up quite a bit in fairly negative light. People who were interviewed and no longer work for Facebook were very negative about her and her involvement. People who still work for Facebook were very... diplomatic and unauthentic-appearing.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy 6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

That Frontline special was spot on. If y'all think FB is just there so Mema can see her grandkids you are sorely mistaken. They are definitely an information gathering agency with an agenda.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes, they've always been about collecting information. The government actually had a program called LifeLog that was meant to track information of citizens. They decided to cancel it. Luckily, Facebook just so happened to be created on the same day.

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You see the stuff they're doing in China to their citizens? Once they put their FR system in place they are planning to give each citizen a social credit score based on behaviors. Scary AF.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We get spied on, too. NSA has totally seen my dick. The UK is worse. Orwell was way ahead of his time.

[–]blackkindergods 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah the agenda is making money through advertising and gathering for future products.. is there more?

[–]Salty-Bastardjust an excitable boy 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Watch the Frontline special its creepy as hell.

[–]blackkindergods 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Word, I don’t do social media except this but sounds interesting Thx

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Isn't she the one who went on a vacation with her husband during a troubled time in their relationship, and he happened to fall down on his head in a tragic gym equipment accident with major blood loss in the only part of the high end resort that had no security cameras? But then after the initial reports of head trauma the coroner's autopsy said it was all just from a heart problem... something like that. Amazing story.

[–]guffynemo 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You don't get to her position without being well evil.

[–]boundarychimpsALL THE COLORS 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude. You can't just drop that on us and then not give details.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sto-ries

Sto-ries

(:cheers:)

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If that's true, she probably wants to get social credit by promoting something that also benefits her.

[–]theambivalentroosterLiteral Chad 40 points41 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

One of the problems is that many companies have different cultures that make it easier to make fraudulent accusations.

My company culture doesn’t really offer a lot of opportunities to do so. No drinking on the job, Superiors don’t mingle with subordinates outside the office, travel arrangements are separated by gender. All of the offices Have windows. Formal discussions have witnesses present.

But if you work for a hip young start up that wants to have a flat structure and Blur personal and professional lines and have everyone work 80 hours a week you’re going to have more opportunities for accusations.

[–]snf3210 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

a flat structure and Blur personal and professional lines

This is increasingly common I'm afraid, it's getting too "buddy-buddy" and the separation of work and personal time is increasingly being broken down especially at newer companies.

[–]Sir_KoopamanSexually Identifies as a Potato 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And people wonder why I don't want to work at a startup.

[–]squishles 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

hence those flat structure startups are all doing open offices and glass walls.

[–]razenha 38 points39 points  (35 children) | Copy Link

Oh, who would had thought that creating a moral panic would have negative repercussions.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (34 children) | Copy Link

Reminder: women never consider that there are ever any consequences of their actions, because someone always magically comes along and bails them out of their failures.

Pregnant? Coat hanger. Pregnant but want to keep it? Mandatory child support enforced by jail, EBT, free housing.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Pregnant? Coat hanger

This is a literal argument for them now in the abortion debate. "You're forcing women to coat hanger themselves" like accepting responsibility isnt a possibility

[–]87AudreyHorne 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The responsible thing to do might be aborting.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Murdering a child in the womb is never the responsible thing to do.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew[S] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

maybe its all the women who arent hysterical over sexual harrassment who pay the consequences for the women who are

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

maybe the vast majority of men who would never, ever, ever rape a woman or a child suffer consequences of men who do. So feel free to cry me a river.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No ones crying here

[–]geyges🐇 8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Pregnant? Coat hanger.

I've been on the internet for 20 years. I'm jaded as fuck. You made me lol twice in this thread. That's some cold-blooded shit.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Not using the A-word given recent events, but you get the drift.

The gist is, except for three states, she doesn't want it, she can Plan B, abort, or hand away the kid, or adopt it off.

[–]the_calibre_cat 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

except for three states

LITERALLY

SLAVERY

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Noticed you never complained at all about men being roped into literally slavery regarding paternity fraud or spermjacking.

[–]the_calibre_cat 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are observant of sarcasm

[–]MamaTR 0 points1 point  (22 children) | Copy Link

You realize it takes two to get pregnant? Why are you saying it’s the woman’s actions alone that result in pregnancy

[–]angels-fanLoves Pibbles 24 points25 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Right, but society fully expects men to be 100% responsible for every decision they make.

Society goes out of it's way to make sure women don't have to suffer any discomfort for their shitty life decisions.

Case in point: Every single argument against LPS could be used against abortion. But when used against abortion, the vitriol level from women skyrockets. The word misogyny is used a LOT!

Hypoagency vs hyperagency.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Remember, to women, men aren't people, they're useful tools who are expected to DO THINGS.

[–]angels-fanLoves Pibbles 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To be fair, that's what men are to men as well.

[–]MercyYouMercyMe 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

LPS?

[–]angels-fanLoves Pibbles 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Legal parental surrender.

The idea that a man that isn't mentally, emotionally or financially ready to become a parent should have the same ability to opt out of parenthood as a woman who is not mentally, emotionally or financially ready to become a parent. Women currently have several avenues they can use to opt out of parenthood if they aren't ready. Men currently have none.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Where does the guy get bailed out in all this, is my question.

I'm aware that screwing women gets them pregnant. It's why I don't have sex with them.

[–]lestratege7 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Two to get pregnant but only one to decide to have the kid or not. Her decision her problem. Either way the man will have to pick up the bill.

[–]MamaTR 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

So what do you suggest?

[–]lestratege3 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Well, allow renouncement of paternity upon being informed of such and being proven as such after a DNA test.

This would be the exact equivalent of women abandoning kids, ie, renouncement of their parental duties and rights.

[–]87AudreyHorne 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think, and this annoys me as well, that there is a lot of hypocrisy in how the logical line of arguments changes when discussing the "financial abortion" (ability of the father to not be involved in any way, including financially, in the child's life). It is rarely argued in good faith or with even a little understanding for the men in this situation.

I am pro abortion, but I can't then just turn to a guy and say "well you knew that sex leads to babies and you still had it, so now spend the next 20 decades paying for it", when the same exact thing can be used to ban abortions. There are more hypocritical arguments being used but it all starts with this one and i want to keep it short, but I could go on about this.

You either believe that people should and do have sex without consenting to reproduction, in which case they should BOTH have appropriate channels in place to prevent harm to themselves if accident still occurs; or simply say that if you have sex you accept the risk of pregnancy and bringing the child into the world so either deal with it or don't have sex. I of course support the former because I think the world would be happier if they are able to have sex, and when they do, to not fear they are ruining their lives, so it seems like a logical choice. But it should be implemented fairly and equally

[–]Suck-Less 38 points39 points  (36 children) | Copy Link

Dam right I am afraid of mentoring her. Terrified. And to be straight about it, I’m married and do not flirt. I don’t catcall, put my hands on a women, slap her in the ass, or use sex as a weapon in the work place. I save that ass slapping and catcalling for my wife. When I was single I had a “never in the office” policy. I don’t talk down to women and I don’t go out of my way to help a woman, when I won’t help a man in the same situation.

So why am I terrified of mentoring women? First off, I have mentored a few. In both cases is was more of a “fix her before we fire her” mentoring. In both cases I busted my ass coming up with lesson plans, orchestrating methods of learning and identifying what her next steps would be. In both cases all I got were excuses based on kids, or “I can’t” and crying. WTF, she is an adult and crying in the office?. That’s not my problem. Everything I laid out to handle could have been done after she put them to bed.

I never have a problem with any employee running home to do X with the kids as long as the goals are met.

In both cases I had to present my lesson plans, and copies of emails and chats to my manager because they claimed I didn’t help.... working to three am to get my goals done and their lesson plans completed, and they claimed a lack of effort on my part. This was, of course, right before they got fired. If that happened today, I’m sure they would make up some sexual harassment bs to keep their jobs.

Another reason I will never mentor her now is because I speak a different language. I’m GenX, and we tend to be less “touchy-feely” and a bit rough around the edges. Even my vocabulary would get me in trouble. “Hooking up” used to mean to meet somewhere.

Do you think I really want to second guess everything and every single sentence that comes out of my mouth, or how some feminist psycho interprets a normal word, because some women on a pedestal has a mental breakdown over a freakin a word?

Hell no I won’t mentor her. Because she doesn’t need proof, all she needs is a Twitter account. Like this or not, I already have a complete list of excuses just in case.

Besides, I’m a man. No one mentored me why should I make some woman’s job easier?

[–]blackkindergods 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Truth is if we give women a get out of jail free card or play the victim card some will definitely use it, why wouldn’t they?

It’ll be a problem till we treat them equally

[–]Suck-Less 15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I hope I see the day women get treated like men do. I think I’ll do a happy dance they day they become expendable too.

[–]blackkindergods 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m genuinely curious to see if it’s possible

[–]Suck-Less 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh it is, and well on it’s way. Being a mother made women special. Desperate attempts to start that with IVF post 40 will take all that special away.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you think I really want to second guess everything and every single sentence that comes out of my mouth, or how some feminist psycho interprets a normal word, because some women on a pedestal has a mental breakdown over a freakin a word?

Don't interact with women any more than necessary, problem solved.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree 100%

[–]Barneysparky 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No one mentored you? No teachers no parents, amazing.

[–]Suck-Less 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Did someone mentor me? Hell no, mentoring in my field is actually rare. I work in an extremely competitive environment. Parents teaching their children is not “mentoring” in a workplace context. Teachers teaching is just that. They get paid to do it and that’s their job.

This idea of mentoring didn’t seem to really come up until some woman wanted some guy to show her how to do his job. No one ever complains about men not mentoring men. Why? Because men compete with each other.

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar -1 points0 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

So because you tried to help 2 incompetent employees, that didn’t even accuse you of sexual harassment, you are scared?

[–]Suck-Less 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. Because she needs absolutely no evidence today. At least with those women it was long enough ago that I could defend myself with facts.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Women have complained about worse for their safety and gotten a lot more support. It is ridiculous but men don't have the protection women do if something goes wrong. If a man harasses her, she can have him fired, moved or even score herself some benefits. His reputation is tarnished, his career may be over and his relationship may suffer too. I remember a guy at work who kissed a woman on her forehead. He was being condescending but not sexual. She threatened the company. As compensation they paid her out and gave her a private parking bay.

Now think about that for a minute. A woman values her sexuality so highly that she can call on support of corporations and the government in case of an infringement. She can then add a price and get paid out like a prositute suing a client for payment after services rendered. Women have effectively weaponised their sexual selection system.

A man accused of harassment cannot call on support from anyone. The company, fearing a payout, would rather move him elsewhere, fire him or offer a woman perks to not take it further. He may be out of a job on an accusation alone. Men are going to find ways to protect themselves because of the severity of the consequences. In other words, he just has to piss her off enough and she could have his job on the line.

Women don't see it as a problem until it negatively affects them (fewer women being mentored) so men cannot expect any understanding or empathy from them. They just have to protect themselves as best they can and cop a lot of hatred while doing so. No matter how vulnerable men are, there's not enough empathy about the position they're in for anyone to to care.

For example, if office staff were segregated according to gender to protect men and women, it would still be seen as sexist. There's just no good way to tackle this without pissing someone off, so companies just piss off the person who has the least power in the situation: men.

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Women have complained about worse for their safety and gotten a lot more support.

Okay so. Women can be unreasonable in their fears too.

If a man harasses her, she can have him fired

No shit. Harassment is bad.

I remember a guy at work who kissed a woman on her forehead. He was being condescending but not sexual. She threatened the company. As compensation they paid her out and gave her a private parking bay.

Why in the fuck is a nigga kissing people at work? Dafuq is this place? Is kissing people a regular thing? You can’t equate that shit to a tap on the shoulder.

Is the the type of normal behaviour getting villianised that dudes on here talk about? Like shit. Not understanding personal space like that should be punished. It’s crazy you bring that up as an example of overreaction.

A man accused of harassment cannot call on support from anyone.

He can. They are called lawyers. Friends, family too.

You are hyping up the issue. When in reality, it’s the men that have been recklessly kissing their professional work colleagues on their foreheads that should actually be scared.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why in the fuck is a nigga kissing people at work? Dafuq is this place? Is kissing people a regular thing? You can’t equate that shit to a tap on the shoulder.

Is the the type of normal behaviour getting villianised that dudes on here talk about? Like shit. Not understanding personal space like that should be punished. It’s crazy you bring that up as an example of overreaction.

For real. That is exactly the kind of wildly inappropriate behavior that should get someone fired. A man kissing a woman isn't sexual? Lmao. I guarantee if she hadn't raised a stink about it dude wouldn't have stopped at an "innocent" kiss on the forehead.

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sexual or not. It's too far. You don't put your hands/lips on people you aren't familiar with like that.

I guarantee if she hadn't raised a stink about it dude wouldn't have stopped at an "innocent" kiss on the forehead.

Not sure about that, but her certainly would have kept kissing on the forehead. Was the dude also kissing the other coworkers males included?

[–]the_calibre_cat 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Question: why is this unreasonable? The behavior of ONE of those people would've gotten me to change my behavior somewhat, two that acted similarly would definitely lead me down some path decisively. I've had four romantic partners in my life. Is that enough to draw an academic conclusion from?

No, it's not.

Am I a human who relies on his past experiences to navigate and decide for the future? Uh, yes, I am. Sorry, scientists.

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why is this fear unreasonable?

Fear is an emotion, which often overrides logic. In this case logic being the probability of accusation.

How reasonable or unreasonable a fear is, is based on probability of it happening. Sure, I could die from a poisoned burger at a restaurant from a disgruntled employee. But the probability of that occurring is exceedingly low. - unreasonable.

Now if I was the unlucky few that had been poisoned in that way and survived, it’s reasonable to feel wary of being poisoned again.

But this dude didn’t even have that. He’s scared of some shit that didn’t even happen to him, and is panicked by headlines. The same headlines that scared people into thinking video games and rap music were corrupting our children, all muslims secretly wanted you dead and a bunch of other hyperbole shit.

Am I a human who relies on his past experiences to navigate and decide for the future? Uh, yes, I am. Sorry, scientists.

They aren’t even past experiences of sexual harassment accusations. It’s literally “I mean they would have done that too” it’s speculation on something that didn’t actually happen.

[–]the_calibre_cat 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fear is an emotion

Emotion, in a feature that experiences emotion, utterly preposterous. How could he?!?

...and is panicked by headlines.

You mean to tell me that social influencers... influence society? My God, call the President! Seriously I will never understand the notion that headlines mean nothing. Headlines are the things that tell us what's happening in the big group of humans that we're a part of that we call society.

It’s literally “I mean they would have done that too” it’s speculation on something that didn’t actually happen.

Bullshit. They DID lie about him, they DID try to drag him down, and he had to bat off unfounded accusations with evidence. That doesn't strike me as imaginable in the least.

Like, sorry, but your whole post is just over the top. Maybe you're a machine and you've computed all the data and have life and behavior all fucking figured out. Bully for you. The rest of us are humans, and are trying to make sense of studies, emotions, and the information overload we're presented and we usually opt to manage risk by reducing it.

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean to tell me that social influencers... influence society? My God, call the President! Seriously I will never understand the notion that headlines mean nothing. Headlines are the things that tell us what's happening in the big group of humans that we're a part of that we call society.

I mean... we can choose to be or not be influenced/outraged by every headline. We are not helpless to the whims of internet hyperbole clickbait

Bullshit. They DID lie about him, they DID try to drag him down, and he had to bat off unfounded accusations with evidence. That doesn't strike me as imaginable in the least.

Yeah maybe, but to change your behaviour so drastically on that speculation is unreasonable. If you're that unsure of saying the wrong thing, what things were you saying before??

Like, sorry, but your whole post is just over the top. Maybe you're a machine and you've computed all the data and have life and behavior all fucking figured out. Bully for you. The rest of us are humans, and are trying to make sense of studies, emotions, and the information overload we're presented and we usually opt to manage risk by reducing it.

I agree. some people are scared of tiny spiders. I'm not gonna say their fear is reasonable too.

[–]passepar2t 2 points3 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

It only takes one unhinged psycho who happens to be a woman to torpedo your job and possibly your career. I'm sure the majority of women would never resort to false accusations but you never know.

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar 1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

If we lived our lives around what “one unhinged psycho” might do we’d never do anything.

[–]Suck-Less 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I only had to touch a hot burner on my mothers stove top once to learn to check first. Sometimes lessons need to be learned quick.

What’s the big deal anyways. How often have you ever seen some 40-50 year old woman mentoring a younger man? I’ve never seen that. No one is complaining that women don’t mentor men, so why complain about the reverse?

[–]passepar2t 2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

But in this case, there is no reason to put yourself at risk. If you can easily avoid the unhinged psycho by just steering clear and not mentoring ladies, you aren't missing out on any reward and your job will be more secure.

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

“One unhinhged psycho” could also be a guy claiming harassment. Psychos dgaf

It also misses out on the rewards of a diverse employee base. Which only serves to inform for-profit companies about selling better.

[–]passepar2t 3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

lol, guys don't claim harassment - women do.

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Most women don’t tho. Even when they are actually harassed.

It’s very rare for women to file harassment.

Even rarer for people to get fired over it.

Using hollywood as an example is stupid because it’s a completely different industry where violations like that are common.

In a STEM-based work environment how common is that shit really? Or any office?

In manual-based work environments and entertainment like bars/clubs. I’m sure it happens more. But wouldn’t get reported as much as it happens less because it’s kind of expected.

[–]Suck-Less 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Not a single person on Reddit could even define harassment vs flirting. It’s all about her perception. If she likes it, it’s flirting if she doesn’t it’s harassment. Best to have a “don’t shit where you eat” policy in the office and just avoid any potential misconceptions around it by leaving her alone.

That Pence rule is dam genius.

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but when you file harassment you have to get specific. Facts only. And unless they are lies, her perception means jack shit.

Try see how “he looked at me weird” holds up at a panel? Fuck that noise.

Don’t shit where you eat is great rule in general.

[–]Aggressive_BetaBeta Male 65 points66 points  (43 children) | Copy Link

It’s always men’s fault no matter what. This is what happens when you spend decades indoctrinating an entire gender about how toxic they are. Eventually they just drop out and avoid you altogether. And if there’s anything that’s a woman’s kryptonite, it’s withdrawal of provision (attention/validation/resources/commitment).

I will continue to ignore feminist garbage and only look out for number one.

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Corporate culture in the US is driven management trends, being global cannibals, and acquisitions, men do not really want to mentor other men and they were never interested in mentoring women to begin with. Most people go their entire career without a mentor or they might have a temporary one tied to specific projects or a temporary ally because of shared interests.

In the hospital world, mission statements are big, they are complete bullshit. Hospitals in the US are driven by cost containment and maximizing profit so every five or six years when a new CEO shows up they restructure. Nobody mentors they grab a piece of the pie and leave.

Nobody including women cares about what Sandberg says.

[–]darudeboysandstormHaving Instagram makes you a thot 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

IMO mentor is just code for nepotism.

[–]guffynemo 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nobody including women cares about what Sandberg says.

Despite feminists very much care.

[–]ohheyhi99No Pill Man 11 points12 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

There’s a symbiotic relationship between 2 types of comments on this thread:

1) Man saying that he’s hesitant to mentor women because he fears false suspicions and accusations

2) Woman saying that men who mentor women are actually just creeps hiding their true intentions

[–]geyges🐇 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Modern workplaces are tough.

Every woman is basically Anita Hill, and every man is basically Harvey Weinstein. It's surprising anything gets done.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Woman saying that men who mentor women are actually just creeps hiding their true intentions

can you link to one of these?

[–]angels-fanLoves Pibbles 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Brilliant observation!

[–]Zippo-Cat 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And again gender segregation proves itself to be the solution for most problems

[–]passepar2t 26 points27 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

Didn't we discuss this like six months ago? I think last time it was brought up, some lawyer in a different article was quoted as saying that if you avoid mentoring women, you can end up backing into a sex discrimination claim but if you do mentor them, you can misstep into a sexual harassment claim.

So it's a bit of a minefield, only instead of mines scattered among empty patches of dirt, it's vindictive bitches scattered around normal women who are just there to do their job.

I don't know what to make of this tbh. I've never run into this type of thing in my career but I'm sure it's out there.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

if you avoid mentoring women, you can end up backing into a sex discrimination claim but if you do mentor them, you can misstep into a sexual harassment claim.

The discrimination claim can only get you fired. Claims of actual sexual misconduct can land you in a jail cell.

[–]passepar2t 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It can but it's unlikely. Companies are very quick to fire. Getting someone convicted of sexual harassment is much harder and takes a lot more stamina, from what I know.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If police believe her story you can find yourself in front of a jury in as little as 30 days.

[–]razenha 8 points9 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

It's just safer to avoid hire and promote young women as often as you can.

[–]guffynemo 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Promoting women won't solve anything. Not hiring them will if you want to avoid such things, but then your business will likely suffer in one way or another.

[–]cattermelon34ADHD medication is a feminist conspiracy -2 points-1 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Or don't hire men because they're doing the discrimination and harassing?

[–]razenha 11 points12 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

In my industry if you don't hire men, the office will be empty.

[–]qwertyuiop111222Purple Pill Masticator 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No employees to pay = profits?!!?

[–]guffynemo 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because women never do evil right? Why you hate men?

[–]cattermelon34ADHD medication is a feminist conspiracy 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So you just walked right past "don't hire women" to complain about this comment? Says a lot

[–]guffynemo 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Where's the complaint? It says a lot when you think only men are doing these things. You looked at the EEOC claims, you clearly looked over the ones made by men, yes the EEOC has a section on that.

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“There’s not a company in the world that can afford to leave talent on the sidelines because it’s female,”

I reject that this is happening. If someone in a position of power within an organization spots a quality in a candidate that they think they can leverage to make the organization stronger, I absolutely refuse to believe that they'd pass up the opportunity because, "she might #metoo me :("

I looked up "reasons people choose to become mentors" and most of it was like "shape the leaders of tomorrow!" and "change someone's world!" and "exercise your emotional intelligence!" which is to say that the dividends of mentoring are largely happy feelings about having shared your wisdom and enriched some young person's life... which are nice things that most people are probably willing to invest a little time and effort into, even if there's no tangible remuneration for it. The possibility that someone might take the "intimacy" involved in a mentor-mentee relationship and use it to ruin your professional reputation probably makes the warm fuzzies you'd get from mentoring a junior person way less compelling. The incentive's not enough to compensate for the risk of which all these men have now been made aware.

Finally... nobody's entitled to a mentor. You earn one's interest by being competent and teachable. Mentoring is fucking VOLUNTARY. Cheryl is out of touch with reality.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The incentive's not enough to compensate for the risk of which all these men have now been made aware.

Finally... nobody's entitled to a mentor. You earn one's interest by being competent and teachable. Mentoring is fucking VOLUNTARY. Cheryl is out of touch with reality.

That's the problem with feminists - the realization of their entire worldview hinges on men being expected to not have something like self-interest or their own priorities.

In this case and in an ideal feminist world, men would immediately get every punishment in the book on the mere accusation of a woman, yet at the same time you also aren't allowed to minimize exposure in order to retain plausible deniability against said accusations. Because women would of course never in a million years abuse that sort of power since they're better people.

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I don't think you understand what is happening here.

It's not the beneficiaries of this "talent on the sidelines" who're wary of these new schemes.

The company owners, bosses, and other people who profit directly from hard work totally want the best people there, be they male, female, etc.

On the other hand, they're demanding that a guy who's a middle manager or somehow otherwise entrenched in a company who'd find it difficult to find a comparable job throw himself against the pitchforks in the hope that one or two deserving women manage to climb over his corpse.

It's in the big boss, who shows up in a copter to rah-rah about his golden handshake and stock options interest to push this shit. Not so the guy with the mortgage who doesn't get $25 million and a directorship elsewhere when he's fired.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Now Sandberg says it’s time for men to “step up”

Once again, "dear men, please act against your own self-interest, shaming language, shaming language."

Sandberg says. “It’s not enough to not harass us, you need to not ignore us, either.”

Ah yes, the female "Goldilocks Principle" - "have the psychic power to understand exactly what I want, not too hot, not too cold."

Never understood this anyway.

I don't think women understand what "mentoring" means. It means guiding someone's career by telling them what they're doing wrong, and putting them in positions where work will advance what they're doing.

What they think it means is "that SOOPER SEECKRIT WAY THAT THE PATRIARCHY GIVES A WHITE MAN A GREAT JOB WITHOUT ANY WORK."

Once you put it in these terms, it involves women being told what to do and having people give them things to do - well, that's when the backtalk starts. Because it's a feminist axiom that women always know better what to do than men and women always are right and men are always wrong.

So basically what you're asking men to do is basically just give women carte blanche to do what they want to do. Let me guess, the next whine will be that mentoring involves soooooo much wooooooork and we need a "new kind of work-life balance mentoring" or suchlike.

That's the best case scenario.

What's a bad one? Look at our fictional office of Product Development Inc. Cathy works there. Cathy thinks she is hot shit and shoots flames out of her asshole because she just came back from the Democrat rally where there are uteruses and vaginas everywhere and WOMEN ARE POWERFUL AND WOMEN ARE STRONG and blah bladdy blah. And gets confronted, nicely and patiently, with that she isn't, what she did was absolute crap, it would damage the business, do it again.

Well, she either raises a stink about the patriarchal, nasty, evil man and they wouldn't treat a young man that way.

The worst case? Cathy is chosen to be mentored and of course, Cathy is very very smug about this around the dinner table with Becky, Jenny and Norah. This doesn't sit right with Becky, who's very, very, very, very, very jealous. She goes to HR saying she thinks she overheard someone talking about how Mr. Smith told a very inappropriate joke and might be having a sexual relationship with Cathy.

In other words, the best case scenario is - she gets resentful that you're telling her what to do as opposed to giving her your job.

The worst case is, you basically have to deal with a shit-ton of non-work related departmental drama.

The real solution is to suggest that since women know it all, they should get on with it.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

The real solution is to suggest that since women know it all, they should get on with it.

Exactly

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m85nxgjlHw1qg6vgo.jpg

So why don't they?

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

True fact: the woman who modelled for this quit that job because it might interfere with her hobby of playing the 'cello.

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

For so many women, everything has to be “just so”

[–]Bntt89 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ya I bet the same thing happened when people where asked how they felt about women being CEOs. They are just afraid, if we stop demonizing Male sexuality maybe then most men would realize what's appropriate or not. I dont think this is as big of a deal as we make it out to be.

[–]StaleBread1 15 points16 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Women are not entitled to have a mentor

[–]Joey_Lopez 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

for real. I never had a mentor.

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[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Better than no mentor at all?

No one's entitled to a mentor

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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All of womanhood isn't the single white female.

Alas, it's the only part of womanhood anyone seems to care about. I wonder why that is.

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Fuck this - I've been working as a.software engineer for over a decade at both mega-corps and small companies. I've never been mentored. I get thrown a laptop, a list of tasks, and told to get busy.

At best, I have a project lead who helps with technical stuff if I ask, and I am happy to return the favor for new engineers.

But a formal mentorship program? Yeah right, lol.

What's funny is that a few of the mega-corps I worked for did have these programs. We'd all get emails about how we could apply and it was open to all employees. But not once did I even get it after applying every year. But guess who did always get them? Women and especially women of color.

[–]nada_fap 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus, tell me about it. I'm also in software and I can say that women have been treated like Gods. Mentoring, hand-holding, etc. Women in tech basically have an entire team of people propping and cheering them up. And guys? Well.. guys are there to deliver business value. As a guy, if your skills are not up to par.. that's your god damn problem. No one will sit down and teach you this and that.

[–]poppy_blu 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Maybe you weren’t qualified.

[–]angels-fanLoves Pibbles 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Isn't the selection process for mentorship picking those least qualified and most in need to help?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Apparently the selection process is based on how many diversity points they can check off for the Department of Labor.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

DING DING DING

everyone else is expected to work it out or be fired.

[–]Zippo-Cat 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or because someone assumed that, since he was hired, that he already is qualified to do the job. That he was hired to do.

[–]guffynemo 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Or its because he is male and white. Just a guess. Tech companies like Google have made it publically known they hire women over men and give more points to POC as well.

[–]boundarychimpsALL THE COLORS 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Or its because he is male and white.

Right.

Not qualified for special assistance.

[–]guffynemo 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No one should get special assistance.

[–]0kool74 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“The vast majority of managers and senior leaders are men,” says Sheryl Sandberg, Facebook COO, SurveyMonkey board member and founder of LeanIn.Org, in a statement. “If they are reluctant even to meet one-on-one with women, there’s no way women can get an equal shot at proving themselves.”

Well maybe they should have thought about that before all this #metoo shit started. Sandberg is a fucking cunt! She can use this pedantic shaming language all she wants but it's not gonna change the landscape. It's already bollocks in the workplace without risking career over personal mentoring. These stupid fucking women......they never stop to think about how their actions may have consequences. BED! MADE! LIE!!!!!

[–]v3r1 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean I think women have it figured out, just whine at all stages of your life until you die of old age, cry about being helped too much, too little, and so and so. What ever you do, remember to cry and whine and pout.

Just don't even try as hard, cry until the system changes to accommodate your every personal need.

Ofc if men interact with women and get fired they stop interacting. Some women took it too far and ruined it for everyone that's what happens. They could take a stand and actually reach a middle ground but they are not interested in that, they are interested in men completely changing their behaviour and adapt fully to them, as per usual.

[–]Supernumiphone 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There’s not a company in the world that can afford to leave talent on the sidelines because it’s female,

Citation needed.

It bears repeating that the #MeToo zealots shot themselves in the foot by shouting down people asking for there to be reasonable standards of evidence applied to accusations, and a presumption of innocence. In the absence of these things the only way for men to protect themselves is complete avoidance.

[–]_Anarchon_ 14 points15 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Depending on their mood and how attracted to the man a woman is, mentoring will be considered mansplaining.

This is just one of the many problems with having women in the workplace. The solution is for them to get back in the kitchen and stfu. They are much happier when they are submissive, and aren't in charge of their own destiny.

[–]Joey_Lopez 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We can defeat feminism in one generation if professional high status men just avoid dating educated or career women.

[–]RoninCDN -4 points-3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Sarcasm?

[–]_Anarchon_ 10 points11 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Not a bit

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There needs to be an instaban for using that expression.

[–]angels-fanLoves Pibbles 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Seriously.

I've seen that no less than 5 times in this thread.

[–]angels-fanLoves Pibbles 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women, obviously...

[–]RoninCDN 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

All the women united and descended upon this man, that is why all women must be punished! /s

[–]angels-fanLoves Pibbles 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]liquidsnakex 14 points15 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

There's an easy way to solve this during the hiring/interview process:

Are you a feminist?

If the answer is yes, just don't hire them; it's an extremist political ideology, not a gender or any other type of protected class. Problem solved.

[–]geyges🐇 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Shouldn't there be like levels to this. Maybe ask them if they're ISIS or Nazi first?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you jq woke? Hired

[–]liquidsnakex 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Actual ISIS or nazis would never answer honestly, just have the interviewer conduct the interview in full hasidic jew attire and that problem will solve itself.

[–]Zippo-Cat 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

ISIS are literally dying to do their job, and the Nazi Ordnung was legendary.

[–]guffynemo 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why I hate by also like living in the state I do. As political identity is a protected class so while one couldn't hire someone because they are a feminist I get the same protection for not being progressive.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

NICE

[–]liquidsnakex 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The above was more of a snarky joke. In reality a yes answer isn't enough because everyone will answer "yes" regardless, thinking it's the only acceptable answer in a corporate setting. That's why you ask:

Are you a feminist and if so, what does that mean to you?

If the answer contains stupid buzzwords like "patriarchy" or anything more zealous than some generic virtue-signal about gender equality, then you know this is exactly the kind of person that would fabricate (or whiteknight for) some bullshit #MeTooooo accusation.

Another great way to avoid lying drama addicts would be to advertise some retarded position like "dIVErSitY oFfIcER" and blacklist everyone who applies from all positions. If it's a position you're absolutely required to fill, hire some shitlord to do it for peanuts remotely.

Extra points if it's someone high on the progressive stack, like some based as fuck black lady that just calls every complainer a cuck.

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[–]guffynemo 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

An employer can choose to not hire for any damn reason they please, outside of politics.

False. Federally speaking gender, race, and a few other things are protected class and not hiring someone due to such a thing is illegal.

[–]snf3210 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right, what I mean is that even if they were discriminating on the basis of those things, they definitely would not say anything about why the person was not hired, or even reply further to them saying they didn't get the position which is unfortunately pretty normal these days. being super common to just not tell an applicant why they were not selected.

[–]guffynemo 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I won't say yes to such a question. And if they ask such a question I ain't working at such a company. But again such a company won't hire me anyway I am a white man, ie the devil.

[–]Sir_KoopamanSexually Identifies as a Potato 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I'd go one further: ask if they identify as a socialist, communist, leftist, anarchist, or a feminist. If yes to any, blackball them. Being a political extremists is not a protected class. It's possible to be an anti feminist communist, just ask Stalin.

[–]geyges🐇 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

socialist, communist, leftist, anarchist, or a feminist.

There goes 95% of the University professors.

[–]Sir_KoopamanSexually Identifies as a Potato 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Well good riddance. We don't need a class of professional leftist ideologues spouting garbage under the guise of "a well balanced liberal arts "education""

[–]geyges🐇 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Calm down buddy, they'll just get jobs in your HR office.

[–]Sir_KoopamanSexually Identifies as a Potato 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nobody liked HR before, now everyone will despise HR. What difference does it make?

[–]WestsideMoonWalkerGrizzly Bear Conflict Manager -3 points-2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

This is how you scare away top talent. That is horribly unprofessional.

[–]angels-fanLoves Pibbles 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'd rather have mediocre talent that doesn't turn my office into a political shitshow at every turn.

[–]WestsideMoonWalkerGrizzly Bear Conflict Manager -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Professionals don't bring their politics into work. That's part of being a professional.

[–]darksoldierkPurple Pill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's how you avoid liability for unjustified claims and complaints. I have yet to meet a "feminist" who is "top talent". All the women CEO's and such will say they are, because women will jump on the entire company if the female CEO says that she doesn't consider herself a feminist, but they aren't really.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here 11 points12 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Pretty obvious outcome to me.

I know some companies are having required mentorship training. My girlfriends company had this 'shark tank' thing where people presented professional devlopemnt ideas to the board and then they chose the best one. A female mentorship program was chosen (over her idea of paying for the PMP and others including data camp/powerBI/tableau training), but it obviously got defanged for being exclusive of men so it just became a general mentorship initiative.

Anyway, the men and women became assigned some work mommy whom they never spoke to beyond the first introductory meeting. The whole idea of mentorship is outdated IMO. It would be better money spent to just pay for the PMP for employees or pay for some data camp. The implication that some office mommy is going to mentor women into closing the earnings pay gap is hilarious.

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assigned some work mommy whom they never spoke to beyond the first introductory meeting. The whole idea of mentorship is outdated

Forced mentoring doesn't work. Mentoring works best when a more experienced person sees potential in a new person and takes it upon themselves to share their experience and knowledge. When done right it creates a better work environment for all. It also develops friendships at benefit all involved.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That just sounds like a good boss though?

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[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fuck cubicles lol I couldn't shitpost to the level I do now if I were in an open office. I don't see this massive value in having these mentors. Never did. It's nice to have someone dedicated to answer your career questions and give guidance, but I think company resources can be better spent in the devlopment of hard skills. Company sponsored professional devlopement is being sidelined over mentorship. I don't see the value in that. Ideally, you would have both of course.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe you should stop shitposting and get to work.

[–]guffynemo 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

PMP? But companies would be better off training people really than mentoring.

[–]Joey_Lopez 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't even work with females anymore not to risk any accusations. I worked way too hard to get where I am just to risk my reputation because some random broad didn't like my joke, or even (gasp) I did try to flirt a little. Besides when I used to work with females they mostly expected me to do all the work for them. My company even canceled the annual christmas party to avoid any accusations.

Once sex is completely out off the table men will see that most females can not pull their own weight and will stop hiring them. Maybe then females will have to learn how to be marriageable again.

It's sad really because a lot of professionals spend all of their time at work or school and that was where they usually met someone. I really feel sorry for the young boys now in college that can't enjoy the sex I did in college because now the risk is just too high.

P.S.

Fuck feminism.

[–]Sir_KoopamanSexually Identifies as a Potato 9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

That's what happens when anyone can claim #PoundMeToo with minimal consequences.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

what "consequences" would you suggest on individual humans publically relating stories that happened in their own lives?

[–]angels-fanLoves Pibbles 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nobody mentoring women anymore.

[–]ACmotif -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol I hope you don't actually believe this.

[–]angels-fanLoves Pibbles 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why?

Why does ANYBODY need to be mentored?? It's so archaic.

[–]nemma8834/F/UK Married 12 points13 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

I kinda get their issue, but having worked in a Tech company for the last 10 or so years currently in a team of 30 or so comprising of two women, also not really. Most meeting these days are not even face to face, and when they are most of the time they are in open offices.

So I guess I propose a end to private offices.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

So I guess I propose a end to private offices.

Please no. I won't even work at a company with open offices spaces (always for the plebs, the execs and mgmt. seem to be fine with nice offices for themselves).

It's funny cause even movies like Office Space and similar that portrayed modern corporate jobs as hell, from the 90s and early 2000s, all the tortured employees had at least private cubes.

Now they just throw us all at big school-cafeteria-type lunch tables and expect us to work with all the distractions.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That sounds like hell.

I’d honestly rather commit suicide than work in an open plan office.

The world of extroverts man. How are you supposed to get anything done? No wonder everything is so mediocre and bland.

[–]WestsideMoonWalkerGrizzly Bear Conflict Manager 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Headphones. I got a pair of recording headphones that I usually have on (Sony MDR 7506s) and that's a pretty solid way to block things out.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Noise cancelling headphones and loud music

Album of the day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi7rYu7xVUQ&t=726s

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. 13 points14 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I love my office, especially the door lol

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I love my office, especially the door

Yeah, doors are great -- so are operable windows.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

That was me not-so-subtly saying I like to keep people out. Windows are also great but unfortunately my office faces directly into the parking garage :(

[–]darksoldierkPurple Pill 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Aren't you a lawyer? Isn't like, half of your job client meetings?

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My clients live all over the country and I try to limit the time I spend talking to them if it’s something staff can handle. If I spent half my time talking with them I wouldn’t get any actual lawyering done lol. I meet with them when I need to, but it’s not anywhere near half of my time. I’m not, like in house counsel or something I’m a litigator.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My clients live all over the country and I try to limit the time I spend talking to them if it’s something staff can handle. If I spent half my time talking with them I wouldn’t get any actual lawyering done lol. I meet with them when I need to, but it’s not anywhere near half of my time. I’m not, like in house counsel or something I’m a litigator.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My clients live all over the country. Even if they didn’t I couldn’t spend half my tome speaking with them, I’d never get any actual lawyering done. My paralegal handles client contact that can be done without me

[–]passepar2t 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

When I wasn't freelancing, I've only ever worked in newsrooms, which are all open by design :(

I wish I had an office.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Yeah when I worked in a newsroom myself it was open too. Granted it was a student newspaper but I’ve toured some - it seems like most are like that. Editor in chief had an office but when I was a beat editor I didn’t. Always have had one as an attorney though.

[–]passepar2t 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I should have gone to law school.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Meh. I mean I won’t lie - I did because print journalism (which is what I wanted to do) is dead. But practicing law ain’t a picnic for sure.

[–]passepar2t 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well, "dead." The EEG is still picking up signs of activity, but it's the kind of activity that'll never get you out of working class and into the PPD UMC bubble.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The internet and unlimited entertainment options killed it. At least the kind of investigative shit I wanted to do

[–]passepar2t 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've been able to do investigative shit but mostly by living in developing world shitholes, working for the last remaining English-language papers clinging to their last scrap of relevance. I get paid above the average salary, but far below what an American man my age ought to be making. I keep thinking about going into PR but I hate people too much.

[–]LeaneGenovaBreaker of (comment) Chains 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I really really need my door. My current office was newly renovated and didn't have a door for a while (they ordered the wrong door) and it was MISERABLE not having a door.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've knowing nothing but pods my whole career

[–]Zippo-Cat 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I faintly remember a study which concluded that cubicle offices result in 20% productivity loss and 30% higher amount of infections.

I wonder how the cafeteria system is doing

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's probably even worse for physical health. One employee gets the flu or something, and now half the team has it.

I'd definitely say it's bad for one's mental health, too. It was stressful to have half a dozen people always knowing if you were 5 minutes late or left early to avoid traffic or took a long bathroom break. It creates an unhealthy type of competition, probably no different than working in China or Japan which supposedly sucks ass.

I went into another industry where we usually have more private cubes due to security concerns and also cause there are a lot more older workers, less 25 year olds. Way better than the hip startups that pack you together at tables, and give you free soda in exchange :/

[–]SirNemesismary cucked joseph 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right I just do a walk when having a one-on-one with female coworkers.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. My entire company works remotely. It is the tits.

[–]darudeboysandstormHaving Instagram makes you a thot 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like a management nightmare to me unless its like 25 of yall.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's a pretty unique situation. They managed to amass a bunch of reasonably self-motivated introverts. I technically "manage" my group, but I do very little actual directing or controlling of my team -- I'm just there for reference/solutions when they can't figure something out.

... anyway, digression, but it's the tits *if you can find a fairly small group of people with the right temperaments. :p

[–]darudeboysandstormHaving Instagram makes you a thot 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Very ideal situation, I work from home but have to drive to sites regularly.

[–]qwertyuiop111222Purple Pill Masticator 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is the tits.

Someone, call in the HR!!!

[–]darksoldierkPurple Pill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You work in a tech company, obviously meetings for you are not going to be face-to face.

When you work for the vast majority of other industries, and when you work high enough up there, face-to-face meetings are mandatory.

Also, ending primary offices isn't practical for the majority of offices, and it isn't efficient at all. People working from home tend to be less efficient then people in the office.

[–]ivisi0n 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You just learn not to play with the fire once you get your hand burned with it. + Not everyone has to burn their hands to know that it's painful.

[–]czerdec 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The solution to this problem is for everyone to adopt the principles of minarchism in the manner of Ayn Rand and just put them into practice.

It's amazing how many problems disappear once you apply that simple trick.

(jk, obviously)

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

well, if you did there would at least be no sexual harrassment laws that aplied to private business, so...

[–]PaintingOfJoantelevision killed the radio star 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This really sucks for men and women, but I guess this is just what it came down to in the end. This is just the backlash from people standing up to other people in positions of power abusing it. This had to happen eventually and it will just play itself out. It’s kinda colorful ‘cause it looks like times going backwards and men and women are going to get re-segregated.

[–]RoninCDN 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whats the ratio of accusations to police reports to court cases?

Id say 100 000:100:10

[–]concacanca 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I imagine that criticism of her will be pegged as misogyny so she'll keep spouting shite no doubt.

Doesnt seem all that prevalent in my industry. In fact that last I saw, there were more harassment cases brought against women in my company than by them (which may be due to underreporting idk).

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well this doesn’t appear to be happening in my industry lol. But it’s not surprising. I see the point she makes but it’s also a little rich - if people feel they have to walk on eggshells not to offend someone or give someone the wrong idea they are bound to be more avoidant. Of course that doesn’t mean that feeling is always justified but what do you expect really, people will overcompensate when they aren’t sure the best way to navigate a problem and it’s always been a tricky issue even without metoo#.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sheryl Sandberg is a CEO, she's not "mentally ill." You can debate her ideas without name-calling.

[–]Zippo-Cat 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wasn't aware that mental illness is dependendent on your job

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can debate her ideas without name-calling.

100% sure she's not gonna she this post.....and if she did she'd wipe her tears some of her billions

[–]flaxeater 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, the current climate is chilling, it's like a lottery where the only thing you win is your life getting ruined at worst, at best some pretty fucked up conversations.

However, as always it's a case by case basis, if I want to I will if I don't I probably won't. My experience in corporate life is any woman with competence has mentors lining up.

[–]Suck-Less 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Funny side note. I just went through the usual corporate reorganization. New team, same role. The difference is that the team is larger and there are a few females on it now... fk.

So, first staff meeting and one of them speaks up about how we should mentor people. Know what the response was from the entire team? A team that has on average 20 years per person in the field?

Crickets. Absolute crickets. The whole conf call went silent. No one will say it out loud, no one will risk their career by even commenting, but no man on that call was dumb enough to put themselves in that situation.

No one in corporate America will publicly admit it, but the Pence rule is everywhere.

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[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew[S] 15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

no im not expecting "women" to answer for anything, but PEOPLE have to see that things like this are exactly how cultural tides change. if in fact men feel compelled to protect themselves from women it will impact women in ways they didnt want or expect

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

it will impact women in ways they didnt want or expect

Unintended consequences can be a bitch.

[–]Sir_KoopamanSexually Identifies as a Potato 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And feminists will continue to cry all the way to the rape tribunal or whatever kangaroo court they come up with

[–]blackkindergods 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

White women are the worst

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is anyone surprised by this? It's all so tiring.

[–]madmadGRed Pill Man 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yup I won’t talk to women or make eye contact at work. Too risky.

[–]darksoldierkPurple Pill 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You know, there was a complaint put towards me once where a woman complained that I never directly looked at her? There's no winning for guys here.

[–]madmadGRed Pill Man 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol unbelievable

[–]Joey_Lopez 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I once had a girl complain that I was flirting with ANOTHER GIRL. Mind you that when the girl that I was flirting was brought in she said that she didn't have any problem with it. Somehow they still considered it sexual harassment.

[–]atlantic68Purple Shill 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Do women ever make eye contqct with you?

[–]madmadGRed Pill Man 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t make eye contact with them so I wouldn’t know would I?

They can go train themselves.

Metoo is absolute horseshit.

[–]poppy_blu 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“You didn’t fire me, I quit!!!!”

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can't be done if you don't look them in the eye.

[–]geyges🐇 2 points3 points  (58 children) | Copy Link

Yea I don't know. Never had problem with mentoring women or meeting them one on one in professional environments. It's not that scary.

I wonder if these men had mothers or sisters. Like not every female is a cunning backstabbing man-hater.... I don't think...

[–]madmadGRed Pill Man 13 points14 points  (51 children) | Copy Link

All it takes is one easily offended girl. Every girl defines harassment in a different way. Any glance that’s 1 second too long or at the wrong body part can be interpreted as harassment.

Since the girl defines harassment by her own personal feelings, then I have zero control or ability to manage that. Therefore my own career has to take priority and I must be completely conservative.

[–]poppy_blu 6 points7 points  (44 children) | Copy Link

Funny how it’s “all it takes is one”... until we’re talking about men raping, committing violence, abandoning their kids, etc.

[–]angels-fanLoves Pibbles 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Men here are CONSTANTLY telling women to vet better and stop dating the kind of guys that do this.

Yet women keep dating these guys. They seem to gravitate to abusers like flies to shit.

Yes, all it takes is one of these guys to saddle a woman with years of hardship. But the woman CHOSE that partner. Men don't choose their co-workers.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Hey, according to women, no woman has ever done anything wrong. Any grotesque abuse of men is clearly the man's fault.

Like that 75 year old man who asked that ratchet trash ghetto queen to stop swearing on a public bus she fatally shoved out of a moving vehicle.

[–]angels-fanLoves Pibbles 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm pretty sure the entirety of everybody is saying she's 100% at fault.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've seen FB posts saying he should have kept his mouth shut.

[–]angels-fanLoves Pibbles 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So... 99%?

[–]madmadGRed Pill Man 4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

It’s the same logic here I think ... but please explain?

[–]poppy_blu 7 points8 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

All is takes is one man to rape you, abuse you, bail on your and your kids. Assume they’re all rapists and abusers and deadbeats and treat them accordingly.

[–]madmadGRed Pill Man 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes that’s the same logic. It’s a shame that society has come to this. Feminism is divisive. It pits men against women.

[–]MoodyBrizo4 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Women already use this rhetoric...

[–]poppy_blu 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

All you all bitch 24/7 about it don’t you?

[–]ohheyhi99No Pill Man 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think it’s logical for women to take some degree of precautions. Likewise, if a man wants to take some degree of precautions, I think that’s logical as well.

That said, it’s worth having a conversation about the line between paranoia and caution, and which precautions are excessive.

[–]poppy_blu 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Eh, you’re too logical for this sub.

[–]ohheyhi99No Pill Man 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha I try!

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s the reality of an atomized world sans communities

[–]guffynemo 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And you say you don't hate men. lol

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I could care less about women changing their lives around to avoid being raped.

Personal responsibility is awesome. Give it a whirl.

[–]Sir_KoopamanSexually Identifies as a Potato 7 points8 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

If women want to structure their lives around avoiding rapists, violent men, and deadbeat dads then I'm all for it. Personal responsibility is a damn good thing.

[–]poppy_blu 3 points4 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Avoiding ALL men.

That’s the price you pay for the rapists and deadbeats among you. Boo hoo.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Perfect. When are you leaving?

[–]Sir_KoopamanSexually Identifies as a Potato 2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I don't think that's a bad thing.

[–]poppy_blu 4 points5 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Until you realize it means dying a virgin.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So what? The only people making it in issue that "you're clearly a loser because I haven't smeared my vaginal slime on your penis" is shamy women who want to keep society that way.

If the net goal in life is to get your cock wet, women have a use. If it were just us dudes, if we honestly sat there and evaluated this shit rationally we'd come to the decision that being led around by the dick causes more problems than its worth.

[–]poppy_blu 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only people making it in issue

are your manosphere bros. You’ve been around here long enough to know that every conversation regardless of topic goes right back to “waaaah! Women won’t fuck me!!!! Waaah!!!! 99.4748499337% of men are incels, it’s the end of the world!!!!”

you're clearly a loser because I haven't smeared my vaginal slime on your penis

Ew. I’m going to have to bleach my brain to get rid of that visual.

Plus, you fucking wish.

[–]SkookumTreeWhere do you want the ambulances? 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Political lesbianism: how about that? These MGTOWs seem so much like the radfems of the 70s, especially the separatists - just straighter and less brilliant, but just as crazy.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really. We're a reaction to feminism.

[–]Sir_KoopamanSexually Identifies as a Potato 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

That's irrelevant with respect to my point's validity.

[–]poppy_blu 3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

True, cause most mgtows are gonna die virgins anyway.

Most men will care though. A lot.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

True, cause most mgtows are gonna die virgins anyway.

And?

So what?

[–]her_958_resistors 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most men will care though. A lot.

Not after they stop thinking with their penises and use their brains instead.

Sex is the only intrinsic tool women have to manipulate men with. Once that power is taken away, the field is far more equalized (though women still have the law and society on their side).

[–]guffynemo 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You certainly seem to care much more than they do.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

i have a strong feeling this sub is gonna turn you into a lesbian separatist.

[–]poppy_blu 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just using their rationale.

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[–]poppy_blu 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If I ever get tired of the trolls, proles and spergs, I’ll take you up on that.

[–]passepar2t 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What doe that have to do with anything? If a woman is concerned about being raped or abandoned, let her take precautionary measures. It has nothing to do with being falsely accused of harassment at work by a vindictive psycho.

[–]poppy_blu 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If you approve of punishing all women because of a fear of false accusations, then you must also approve of punishing all men because of fear of rape or abuse. Otherwise you’re a hypocrite.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you approve of punishing all women

You say this like women can't mentor women, or something.

[–]passepar2t 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who said I believe in punishing all women for false rape accusations?

[–]geyges🐇 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

All it takes is one easily offended girl.

I don't know if its healthy to structure your life around the assumption that some hypothetical situation may occur.

Plus can't get fired just for staring at the tits for 1 or 2 seconds.... well unless you admit that you were.

[–]RomusLupos 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You are so cute. You don't actually have to do anything at all. They only need to perceive you as doing so.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Especially if they're itching to find something in order to get you out of the way so they can take your job.

[–]madmadGRed Pill Man 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe not be fired but even a complaint would put a dent in my career.

All she has to do is issue one small complaint and she can do it anonymously.

The higher you climb in a corporation the more slippery the slope.

[–]atlantic68Purple Shill -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You seem a bit afraid. What else scares you?

[–]madmadGRed Pill Man 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just losing my career. I value it a lot.

[–]its_tbst[🍰] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

meeting them one on one in professional environments

i pray your luck doesn't run out

Like not every female is a cunning backstabbing man-hater.... I don't think...

that's not what it's about, i'm sure you know people male and female who would pull all kinds of bullshit to get ahead, right?.. it's just so easy for women to do now and requires zero evidence, so of course some will take advantage

it'd be a minority of women of course, but the scary part is you never know who it's gonna be

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And the thing is, the higher up the corporate ladder you go, the more Game of Thrones it gets.

[–]WestsideMoonWalkerGrizzly Bear Conflict Manager 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Right? People here are paranoid as fuck. If you know how to behave professionally and people trust you, it's not hard.

[–]boundarychimpsALL THE COLORS 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you know how to behave professionally and people trust you, it's not hard.

I thought having a good reputation wasn't supposed to be a valid defense any more?

[–]angels-fanLoves Pibbles 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I have a sister that falsely accused her boyfriend of abuse and watched him rot in jail for 5 months.

[–]geyges🐇 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

well that proves it

[–][deleted]  (10 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What 1970s Britcom do you live in?

[–]angels-fanLoves Pibbles 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yup.

The sad read reality that the manosphere conveniently ignores just how fucking many creepy guys WILL "mentor" a pretty young thing with high hopes that spending all that time together will spark some kind of romantic interest.

Can we just stop mentoring altogether?? I never had a mentor and I buckled down and learned my shit on my own time! Are women too fragile and concerned about work/life balance to spend their own time focusing on bettering their careers?

Let me guess... "Women can't because they have to do allllllllll of the dishes and alllllll of the mental looooooooad!!"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can we just stop mentoring altogether??

not because it's a problem for women means it has to stop.

learned shit on my own time!

there are little nuggets of wisdom you learn from a mentor that would take you forever to learn on your own.

because:

  1. you would know where to look for it ...or

  2. it's very likely industry/company specific

  3. It's unethical/not PC hence won't make it to a book(even if everyone in the industry does it)

[–]blackkindergods 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of us just aren’t aware of how common it is. I mean I’m not and the girls who’ve complained to me have poor credibility with me, though ones with cred have stories here and there

[–]ACmotif -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The sad read reality that the manosphere conveniently ignores is just how fucking many creepy guys WILL "mentor" a pretty young thing with high hopes that spending all that time together will spark some kind of romantic interest.

Can we just stop mentoring altogether?? I never had a mentor and I buckled down and learned my shit on my own time! Are women too fragile and concerned about work/life balance to spend their own time focusing on bettering their careers?

You started off so well with sensible insight and devolved into sexist zealotry rendering your credibility nil oh so quickly. Disappointing.

[–]angels-fanLoves Pibbles 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol

So as long as it's sexism against men, calling men horny creepy guys, that's all good and proper!

But as soon as it's sexism against women, well fuck! Can't have that now, can we??

[–]cattermelon34ADHD medication is a feminist conspiracy 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

So men are scared of a false complaint? Imagine how women feel about sexism in the workplace which is WAAAAAYYY more common.

Seriously dudes it's false rape accusations vs rape all over again.

Im not saying false accusations don't happen or aren't serious but you can't act like the two things happen in equal abundance and deserve equal amounts of air time.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Never seen any sexism in a workplace. Not in 30 years.

Oh wait, no, I have, we had a secretary once who had a shirtless fireman calendar on her desk. I suggested to HR that didn't exactly set the most professional tone for our firm. I was politely told to man up and fuck off.

[–]cattermelon34ADHD medication is a feminist conspiracy 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Never seen any sexism in a workplace. Not in 30 years.

That doesn't mean what you think it does

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]guffynemo 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Its much more that women can easy take something for sexual harassment when its not because they perceived it to be. When you women and that feminists make it as if men left and right are doing such things all the time its no wonder asking a woman out for coffee is deemed sexual harassment when its not.

[–]cattermelon34ADHD medication is a feminist conspiracy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well im a man so...

[–]cattermelon34ADHD medication is a feminist conspiracy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well im a man so...

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

men were never interested in mentoring women in the first place, it isn't a metoo thing, but now i guess they have an excuse

[–]squishles 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

eh I do it, but I'm also a contractor. I have zero attachment to your office, expect to be somewhere else in about a year anyway and would be giggling out the door at the firing.

[–]squishles 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

eh I do it, but I'm also a contractor. I have zero attachment to your office, expect to be somewhere else in about a year anyway and would be giggling out the door at the firing.

[–]squishles 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

eh I do it, but I'm also a contractor. I have zero attachment to your office, expect to be somewhere else in about a year anyway and would be giggling out the door at the firing.

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[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Have fun seething bitches I just got promoted to manager

Also

Sandberg

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who hurt you bro why are you so salty about women?

[–]WestsideMoonWalkerGrizzly Bear Conflict Manager 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol do people here not actually know HR people or how to behave in a corporate environment? It's hardly the horror show this thread makes it sound like.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

*laughs in Eastern European and my mentors are a man and a woman huehuehue*

[–]Zippo-Cat 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

*rubs nipples*

[–]angels-fanLoves Pibbles 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Never hire anything but white and Asian men.

Anything else increases your liability by magnitudes more.

[–]poppy_blu 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Asian men

😂😂😂😂

[–]angels-fanLoves Pibbles 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't get it

[–]her_958_resistors 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's how most Caucasian (as well as many other ethnicities') women react to most Asian men who regard themselves as sexually attractive. Racism is alive and well in the sexual marketplace.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

atlas making a post about meToo .

what has the world come to

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Yawn"

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hm.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hm.

[–]angels_fan_rp 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

.

[–]ColCrin 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can't blame them to be fair.

[–]Willow-girlYou can't scare me -- I work in a school! 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha, I remember one time (at a government job, no less) I was assigned a mentor and one of his first questions was, "So ... you married?"

Blargh. :-(

[–]poppy_blu -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I’ll just sit here and watch the PPD bros dig their own/men’s grave with this one.

Who’s got the popcorn?

[–]ohheyhi99No Pill Man 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How are they digging their own grave?

[–]throwaway2323423477 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Who gets mentored these days in corporate? Also, why does anyone care what Cheryl has to say about this shit?

[–]squishles 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

seen it in tech companies but mostly at the scale that need to staff 100+ people on large projects. Or if it's the type of office where they hire more on personality.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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