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Originally saw the link to the study over on the r/science subreddit.

The results of the study make intuitive sense to me.

Some in the replies to the original OP suggest that “kids” is the sole reason that unmarried couples living apart have highest levels of sexual satisfaction relative to married couples who ranked in the lowest.

But I think the living apart part plays a major role too — living apart builds up physical lust; and it also allows breathing room to not be annoyed by one another’s more mundane idiosyncrasies.

What do you think?


[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer39 points40 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

it also allows breathing room to not be annoyed by one another’s more mundane idiosyncrasies.

Definitely this, imo.

I don't know how bad things are "in the West", but here in Eastern Europe (especially its post-communist parts), it's common for entire generations of people to live their lives never having a separate room. You can take any set of bestie-bestie-besties in existence, and if you force them to share an area small enough, they will start having conflicts.

[–]boomcheese4419 points20 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

This is why me and my husband have our separate rooms, and one room that we share. We do not share the same bathroom, we each have our own too. I never understood the need for married people to sleep in the same bed and be trapped like that for decades. It's also good that we travel separately often. I think this makes the heart grow fonder.

[–]fieldofvision_20 points21 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

$$

[–]boomcheese4410 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I've always maintained that being married while poor or middle class must suck. I honestly don't think I could do it. I'm very blessed to be in the position I am in.

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Love the honesty. If my parents had your money I’m resoundingly positive your setup would be my mom’s preference. Except she would default to the joint bedroom and use the separate bedroom for when she wants to indulge her own tranquil space.

[–]boomcheese442 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, most of the time we are in the main bedroom. 65/35 split

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Huh, I guess that's why you women seek out rich guys and ignore the middle class and God Forbid, poor men who try to get your attention.

Makes sense now.

[–]boomcheese445 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think its generally accepted that life is easier with more money. I'm not saying it could never work, but a lot of the complaints I see about marriage can be alleviated if there was more money around. Help around the house, stress from bills, etc etc

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And she ends up resenting the fact that she's not on easy street.

[–]TheMedsPedsBlue Pill Woman6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Same. People who are attached to their s/o completely weird me out tbh. My husband died about 6 months ago but throughout our relationship we were both VERY independent. He was a homebody and I was a social butterfly. I always went do outdoorsy things, went out to concerts, casinos, road trips, you name it. He spent most of his off time plopped in the dark living room watching Netflix or was in his music studio writing/mixing music. We also worked different schedules, he worked odd hours as a kitchen manager and I work an office job.

There used to be a joke that floated around my town that my husband "didn't actually exist" since he was never with me for social things. Though I did wish he would have tagged around SOMETIMES for the most part I enjoyed our separate time. It allowed me to miss him. I did my own thing and wasn't stir crazy from being cramped up in my house and he wasn't being dragged around town for things he didn't want to do.

People who demand to be around their s/o at any point past that initial high driven honey moon phase (which for me never lasts longer than 3-6 months) is just odd. You live with the fuck, you see them literally every day. It won't kill you to take a trip to the next town with friends and go 9 hours without seeing your person. Matter of fact, I think it's extremely healthy to allow you to miss someone.

[–]officerkondoRedder Shade of Purple Man2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am sorry to learn of the loss of your husband.

[–]officerkondoRedder Shade of Purple Man2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I’ve never thought of sharing a bed with my wife as being trapped. What’s more, my girlfriend’s biggest bitch is that I don’t spend the night whenever she wants.

[–]boomcheese443 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, you have a girlfriend and a wife so...

[–]officerkondoRedder Shade of Purple Man0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

So what?

[–]boomcheese443 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

you exercise your individuality in other ways, so you wouldnt feel "trapped".

[–]officerkondoRedder Shade of Purple Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

We were married for 14 years before we opened up. In all that time, I never felt like sleeping in the same bed as my wife was being “trapped” in any way. A king-size mattress is more than enough space to accomodate us, so how could I feel trapped?

I don’t say that separate beds or bedrooms are a problem but it is bizarre to me to consider sharing a bed to be trapped.

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s more about having the option to retreat to your own private sanctuary when you need it or when you feel yourself becoming easily irritated by your partner.

It’s not that you feel trapped all the time. It’s more you feel trapped when you’re annoyed and need alone time to recalibrate your chakras and your only option is a shared space.

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My husband and I have our space and travel separately a lot but you couldn’t give me an extra bedroom for free to sleep separately. Midnight jokes and morning snuggles are too precious. My husband is even clingier. I tried pitching the Scandinavian “two blankets, one bed” route so I could have my own giant duvet and he can have whatever thin joke of a “comforter” he wants. No go. He says we have to share ONE. He claims separate blankets are a “slippery slope!!”

[–]WhiteningMcClean3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's less about conflicts and more about boredom. Many relationships are full of conflict but still sexually healthy. Men like things that are new and women like things that are exciting. When you spend too much time together, the relationship is neither exciting nor new.

[–]Zippo-Cat1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What is "eastern europe" to you? Particularly poor areas of Belarus?

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]rus9384Misanthrope0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not what he asks. He doubts this is the case for the majority of Eastern Europeans.

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

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(one square meter is 10.8 square feet in Freedom Numbers)

[–]rus9384Misanthrope1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, my parents sometimes sleep in different rooms. But still, cohabitation causes a lot of conflicts.

[–]ALexusOhHaiNyan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Christ I went away to camp for two weeks with my best friend and we ending up beating the shit out of each other.

[–]TheBookOfSeilAn ounce of Snu Snu is worth a pound of cure23 points24 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

I agree with Katherine Hepburn when she said “Sometimes I wonder if men and women really suit each other. Perhaps they should live next door and just visit now and then.”

[–]Nevidimka-9 points10 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

I feel like there are a lot of times in history where that actually was the case.

Hunters & gatherers? Hunting trips actually took several days to weeks, the men where gone all the time.

Viking era? Same.

Fishermen. Sailors. Men working in the mines. Warriors, every army man in general. Tradesmen, in times when you had to go visit the cities by foot and horse, gone all the time.

And then even if he was working close to home, working hours were much longer. Twelve hours a day in the factory, even more if you'd be a farmer.

Has there ever really been a time where men would be home at 18.00 and you spend évery night ánd the entire weekend together in the same four rooms?

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I agree. It’s relatively new being stuck with men everyday. It’s not natural!

[–]J_Milton_JrDon't open 'til doomsday...♥1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol just gas the boomers.

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would definitely relate to this 😂. My mom is more annoyed now that her and my dad are retired at the same time. Just at home looking at each other making messes she’s going to be the only one who cares to clean.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

But on the other hand that really opens the door for cheating. Look at military wives.

If my husband was gone for 6 months at a time I might start having a wandering eye too.

[–]Nevidimka-5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I never really understood that tbh. My SO is gone for about 2 months every time and I don't even think about cheating. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, it probably makes me even more in love with him. I don't just miss having someone around, I want him and some other dude isn't going to fix that.

But yeah cheating amongst militairy wives is apparently rampant so I'm missing something here.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well its not like service men keep to themselves either.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd give it six days, the way most women are.

What, no attention and validation? dusts off Instagram

[–]officerkondoRedder Shade of Purple Man0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Saylors

🤔

[–]Nevidimka-2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I always think I'm fluent in english until I encouter a word I've apparently never spell checked before 😑

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know a dog named saylor =)

[–]eet_mijnen_schijtWinners don't take pills.2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

If it's a male–female thing then why are levels of domestic violence higher in same-sex couples?

Human beings just drive each other crazy; especially in "relationships" where the entire point is to make compromises and tell others what they can and cannot do.

[–]bigmfkrNo pills, injectables only2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

why are levels of domestic violence higher in same-sex lesbian couples?

FTFY. And the answer is kind of obvious, isn't it?

[–]eet_mijnen_schijtWinners don't take pills.-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No they're also higher in male–male households than in male–female households but indeed female–female households stand out as being a lot higher than the other two configurations.

[–]bigmfkrNo pills, injectables only-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Somewhat higher. For lesbians, outrageously higher.

[–]eet_mijnen_schijtWinners don't take pills.-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And even if they were exactly as high or slightly lower that would still not explain the male–female angle.

It seems obvious to me given these numbers that it's just a human beings living together with other human beings thing.

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

💯

[–]philomexaSPITE ALONE HOLDS ME ALOFT12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My husband goes on tour for 3-6 week spurts; I get my much needed solitude, he gets to immerse himself in his 'world', we both get to miss each other, and when he returns the sex is 🔥🔥🔥.

I don't think men and women should be all up in each other's space, I think a little distance is necessary to maintain the sort of....I don't know, gendered polarity that makes sex exciting.

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Couldn’t agree more !

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS22 points23 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

I haven't read the study, but I would assume that a few factors contribute to this dynamic: unmarried and separately living couples

  • are generally younger
  • haven't been together as long
  • usually don't have kids
  • due to a lack of proximity they are more likely to jump one another when they have the opportunity

Unless the study controlled for these variables, this isn't exactly unexpected.

[–]Salty-Bastard5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

You could also add people with attachment avoidant personalities.

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup! This is really key.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Haven't thought about inhowfar this positively impacts a couple's mutual sex life.

[–]Salty-Bastard0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Living apart, along with the things you mentioned, this would be a perfect set-up for someone who doesn't want commitment to go further than bf/gf. Perfect set-up = happy = better sex.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

This would only be very temporary, though - after all, the other party who doesn't want to be kept at arm's length forever will be opt out of that relationship soon enough. And I am not sure whether they can really be called a "couple" under those circumstances.

[–]mistresswhat5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

My grandad and his girlfriend were together for over twenty years before her death, and were very definitely a couple despite never cohabitating. My aunt has a similar arrangement with her long-term boyfriend. It seems to be relatively common/at least less uncommon among elderly people who have already been through a marriage or two and don't want to deal with moving house or changing their habits.

I've literally never known anyone under 70 in one of those relationships, though.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I doubt they were having that much sex, though.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My grandfather before passing would not stop talking about fucking my grandma, it was insane. They were married and lived together, these people just bitter.

[–]Salty-Bastard0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Except isn't that what an unmarried couple living apart is? Just bf/gf. Next stage would be living together then marriage or some rendition of that. I'm feeling lazy so I didn't open the link just basing my comments off the title.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And then we should take into account people with anxious-preoccupied attachment, who'd not be ok with this.

[–]happycheese86No Pill3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

add to that: are well-off and don't have to cohabitate.

[–]TheJim66Red God-Emperor of Slut Country20 points21 points  (32 children) | Copy Link

Familiarity is the death of lust

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (31 children) | Copy Link

More like once she gets the security, she stops pretending she likes sex.

[–]Female_urinary_mazeWOMEN LIKE SEX.8 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

If women don't like sex what on earth are hookups and the endless supply of smutty fanfiction for? How about sex toys? Why do you think we buy sex toys?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Better question: Why is Bad Dragon still a thing after so many years?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

If women don't like sex what on earth are hookups

Velidation. Daddy issues. Beer goggles making her see the guy at the end of the bar as having more status than he does. Loneliness. Being bored.

and the endless supply of smutty fanfiction for?

Because it isn't about sex, it's about the FANTASY of sex. The IDEA of sex. Women watch videos of people fucking, women read books about what the feelings are inside a woman's head as his "steel wrapped velvet met the core of her womanness, and it was then that Dannielle Branddystorrrme knew the full extent of how much she loved Lord Haversham"

How about sex toys? Why do you think we buy sex toys?

Because women don't climax from sex.

[–]Curiositykilldthekit0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

What has made you so sure that no women like sex? I love sex and find it baffling that you seem so sure of your blanket statement on this.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Okay, maybe one random woman in 20,000

[–]Curiositykilldthekit0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yay, I'm super special and rare then! Thank you!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup!

[–]shonenhikada2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women find 80% of men unattractive physically. Sex and pretending to like it is to secure commitment. Why you think women get all bent out of shape if men have sex after ONS but won't commit?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

For most of my late teens/early twenties there were a lot of guys I slept with who wanted to commit and I was annoyed by that.

For both men AND women, you can BOTH enjoy sex AND want commitment - they're not mutually exclusive, and in fact are synergystic. There definitely may be sex differences about how much each wants of either, but it definitely depends on the parties involved.

[–]TheJim66Red God-Emperor of Slut Country5 points6 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

It's not that they don't like it but they simply need it MUCH less than we do.

Still the more familiar a woman gets with you the harder it becomes to arouse her.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

They don't need it at all.

[–]WhiteningMcClean4 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

I'll show you my ex after a couple tequila shots and you tell me women don't need sex.

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shit, I don't even need the tequila! :-D

[–]qwertyuiop111222Purple Pill Masticator0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll show you my ex after a couple tequila shots and you tell me women don't need sex.

Yeah, I'll take you up on it.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

So you're saying you raped her?

[–]leftandleaving_3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

he's saying she gets very horny after a couple of shots of tequila.

[–]meomeowmeoww 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

he's saying she needs beer goggles to be attracted to him

[–]rus9384Misanthrope1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Or maybe he needs a couple of tequilla shots to show her? Who knows.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm saying he needs to check the legality of such a manoever. In some places < 0 BAC level = rape

[–]doctor_trucks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are... extremely wrong.

[–]MoodyBrizo 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Women like sex but any sort of commitment from a man is a turn off. Women only like untameable Chads, and once he's been tamed he's no longer a Chad.

[–]Mickusey2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Honestly it’s less that they “tame” the men and more that the men become complacent and more sensitive once they get the feeling they are in a secure relationship. My most successful relationships (and current one) have been when I simply make the relationship more of a secondary activity to the rest of my life which keeps my routine and general activities the same. They are attracted to who you are when they first got attracted to you.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And they are attracted to not very sensitive men, it appears.

[–]J_Milton_JrDon't open 'til doomsday...♥0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They are attracted to who you are when they first got attracted to you.

this!

[–]happycheese86No Pill-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women like sex, but a man isn't required for it. Don't worry, human sexbots will cure all the horrors women thrust upon men.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Human sexbots will defeat the inceldom.

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

She's not picking up his socks!

[–]rus9384Misanthrope4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He's ok with his socks lying all over his room. She's not.

[–]MoodyBrizo 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

To the shock and surprise of no one. You don't have time to get sick of each other.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

I keep showing articles like these to my wife and suggesting we take our relationship back to its exciting previous phase. She laughs. I tell her I’m not joking though. She laughs harder.

What do PPD members?

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

improve appearance and confidence until you could easily get a side piece

if that doesnt work get a side piece

[–]itiswr1ttenEndorsed Negotiable Instrument0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Aka MRP

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Disregard wife; acquire girls who don't suck your soul

[–]J_Milton_JrDon't open 'til doomsday...♥0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

suggesting we take our relationship back to its exciting previous phase

How do you want to do that?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Move out, split our incomes but meet up and fuck passionately 5x a week.

[–]J_Milton_JrDon't open 'til doomsday...♥0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I understand your wishes, but what you want has nothing to do with marriage

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well id love to fuck 5x times a week passionately WHILE living together and being great spouses. But thats not happening under the current setup

[–]J_Milton_JrDon't open 'til doomsday...♥2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think your real problem is "lack of control" ... and the fact that you asked your wife if this arrangement would be better, shows that you're not in charge.

Just take control of where you are and what you do, let her miss you.

You do not have to move out to restore this feeling, take a vacation. Do not ask or tell, just do it.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And of course, this is a proof that women mostly have sex just because they don't want to lose a man, not because they like sex.

Well, most of them certainly do, but not as much.

[–]J_Milton_JrDon't open 'til doomsday...♥0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

well...I enjoy having sex with my partner very much, idk if its me or my partner but he's the first one I have not lost interest in after a couple of years ... he is also the first BF who does not agree with everything and just does his thing!

I needed a man whom I can respect, whom I can look up to, and someone who gives me the feeling that I can give up control once.

My ex BF's have always asked a lot about what to do and what not, wanted a lot of opinion etc. this is sometimes nice but not always, it is exhausting, i do not want to make all decisions.

My ex BF's were a burden to me, they needed me more than I needed them. That was very unattractive.

Back then, I did not know what was wrong with me or the relationship, but even if I had known and told them, it would not have changed, because I would still have control.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

She laughs because she has you by the balls

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you think she’d give them back if I ask really politely?

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She could. But she won't! Women are devil

[–]DocNMartyPurple but tempted by the Red Side5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Dr. Josh Keyes : I'm married to my work.

Serge Leveque : So am I. Which makes my wife my mistress. That's why I'm still in love with her.

- "The Core"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

What movie bro

[–]DocNMartyPurple but tempted by the Red Side2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"The Core"

A classic sci-fi cheese flick that involves nuking Earth's core to restart it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmfao that synopsis is the dumbest thing ive ever heard

Time to watch!

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Unmarried people living apart tend to be young, hot and without responsibilities or children. Of course the 23 year old college kids are going to be having more sex than the 40 year old couple with pre teen kids and real jobs.

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I would have appreciated if the study weren’t behind a pay wall.

My biggest curiosity is whether it looked at couples who are well past the honeymoon phase; and then also live separately/sep bedrooms, and as a consequence of living separately, report higher sexual satisfaction.

That would be most convincing.

Even still, it seems plausible. Because as some posters have already attested to in their own lives/lives of ppl they know, it does seem that even with a family and being together for years, they still note higher sexual satisfaction. And they seem to credit not being up under one another within the same four walls as a large part of how they’ve sustained consistent sexual lust.

Also from the Psychology Today article:

Analyzing the responses of 3,207 respondents from Germany, aged 32-46, I found several interesting findings.

The study didn’t focus on young / college aged couples.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Oy, Griddy, lemme show you something.

I want you to take this link (https://doi.org/10.1080/00224499.2019.1608146) and paste it into the "enter URL or DOI" space in https://sci-hub.tw

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I was hopeful. But it didn’t work. Says it can’t connect to that server. Something about a local host.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Weird - it just DL'ed the PDF for me when I did that. Gimme a minute and I'll see what I can do.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Try using the same DOI link, but with https://sci-hub.se instead.

Edit: /u/stairway-to-kevin is something going on at sci-hub for some reason.

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

:/ still not working.

[–]stairway-to-kevin0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Check to see which Sci-hub portal is active, some get shut down from time to time

Edit: that one is working it seems, not sure why it won’t bring up the paper

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Both work for me, not sure why GridRex can't access either.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But I think the living apart part plays a major role too — living apart builds up physical lust; and it also allows breathing room to not be annoyed by one another’s more mundane idiosyncrasies.

I agree with this. Even when you really like someone, they start getting on your nerves if you see them all the time and especially if they have annoying or gross habits.

[–]TheSuperStink 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Seems to work well for the fiancée and myself. She travels overseas for work 4-6 months per year.

The sex is great!

[–]TheMedsPedsBlue Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Makes absolute sense considering how human nature works.

Compare it to Disney world. A person living in Orlando who has money could just randomly go to Disney world on any day off. I am sure it's still enjoyable but it doesn't illicit the same response as some person living in Colorado who can only go maybe once a year or so.

Absence makes the heart grow founder. If you only see your S/O on the weekends, you miss them, the sexual tension builds. You don't get annoyed with their everday normal human annoyances. This is probably one of the most "common sensey" topics I have ever seen on this board.

[–]NicholasLeoNo Pill1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Looks like the Spartans had it right. They required married couples to live separately, and conduct their sex life as tho it were an illicit affair. Any sex had to involve sneaking around.

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That sounds kind of hot.

[–]beachredwhineCongratulations!3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

65 entire people have actually read that study. I can't read it the website wants $43 for me to be able to read it for 24 hours. A psychologist wrote it though, and based on the article xe wrote about it linked from /r/ Science!tm it looks like the author has a serious anti marriage agenda.

Being unable to actually read the actual study without paying $43 means that this is yet another study I will simply write off as propaganda. With the Scientific!tm field of psychology having only a 25% reproducibility rate for their official Science!tm studies as well... I'll just say if it looks like a (((duck))) , quacks like a duck, and has written an entire book based on interviews about how great it is to be single and never have any kids in a field notorious for publishing utter bullshit...

[–]MoodyBrizo 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ah, the classic "every source that doesn't confirm my already held belief isn't valid."

[–]atlantic68Purple Shill3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I like how he posts tons of reasons its garbage then you go right to proving youre incompetent by ignoring them!

[–]beachredwhineCongratulations!1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That isn't what I said.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Because I never want to see a stupid comment like this ever again, here. Next time you find a paywalled article, use that.

[–]beachredwhineCongratulations!0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's not the study and it fails to address anything I said

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No shit it's not the study, dude. You're supposed to put the link to the study in the "enter URL or DOI" field and then click "Open"

[–]beachredwhineCongratulations!2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow calm down buddy. It's just the internet

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Their username checks out ...

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No duh

[–]YouSeeWhereBradAt1 point2 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

I can explain it for you but I can't understand it for you.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is literally the most condescending sentence I've ever seen.

Well played!

[–]YouSeeWhereBradAt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

hm, not sure

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

I understand it. Just looking to see other’s takes on it! Anecdotal experiences confirming it or not, etc.

[–]YouSeeWhereBradAt-1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

I blame trump

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Cool cool.

[–]YouSeeWhereBradAt0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Ho hum, aren't you just the greatest?!

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Ah ok.

[–]Salty-Bastard1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Aw Griddy, you attracted a troll for Mothers Day, how sweet.

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

They don’t have Mothers and are acting out!

[–]Salty-Bastard1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Under a bridge I was born

As a motherless child,

Pay the toll or feel my scorn

Your usernames been filed,

Hold a moment before I visit my wrath

My caretaker says it's time for my bath...

[–]YouSeeWhereBradAt-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If you smell dogshit on everyone elses shoes, it might be a good idea to double check your own.

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Cool cool.

[–]YouSeeWhereBradAt-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ew, gross!!!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao

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[–]DREADC0RSAIRNo Pill | Just Dead Inside-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Maybe this is my possessive neurotic man speaking but I'm really getting the feeling women want this so they can cheat easier

[–]doctor_trucks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. I love living apart because I dont have to do all his housework. His house can be a disgusting wreck, I dont care. My place is pristine :)

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

They want it so they can actually lust for you.

[–]DREADC0RSAIRNo Pill | Just Dead Inside1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No I get why it works. But one thing I dont get about the married people here is if you have to hold "Frame" for it to flourish, if you have to live apart for her to stay attracted, if you have to refrain from being friendly to make it less boring, and if women's contentment is guaranteed to nosedive much faster then men, if men are biologically made to spread genes to multiple women, why even try in the first place? Even if you want to scratch that itch why not just be friends that fuck occasionally. It sounds like way less stress and drama that way. We practically go against nature itself to tie ourselves down that way.

I don't expect you to talk me into getting it. But from what it sounds to me, people are committed to their own happiness first whether they are married or not. if their partner were to lose their job, let them self go, stopped having sex, or was down on their luck, people here justify leaving them all the time because they arent providing their side of the transaction. If relationships are predicated on what you provide and not love itself why not just love each other in the moments you share? instead of tying yourself down on those temporary factors?

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Family.

[–]DREADC0RSAIRNo Pill | Just Dead Inside0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't sound very familial to me

[–]CatchPhrazeRed is For Rudolph0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. New realshionships have the happiest people and the honeymoon phase. New realshionships don't have cohabiting.

Ergo best realshionships. But even that will fade with time.

[–]IndigoPillNo Pill Woman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you get better quality sleep your life is going to be better. Having someone rolling around and disrupting your sleep will inevitably have a negative effect.

Also, have your own life. A marriage or partnership works best if you have your own lives and an intersection between, share your life, not become theirs.

[–]donkeydodoI think, therefore I am - No pill, only human0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, out of a redpill perspective; as soon as a woman can take your commission for granted, she'll partly lose respect for you and she won't have to pay for your commission with her pussy anymore. Sex will be thriving if the woman in a said relationship is uncertain whether she can keep a man or not; if she's not sure, she will try to hold him in check (with her pussy).

So yes, living apart DO play a roll, but kids do also play a role, and depending on how the man treats his woman while she's pregnant will be very relevant the closest 20 years after the kid(s) have been born.

Women in their nature are emotionally ruled. Women, in general, don't care about a man's feelings; she cares about the feelings that a man will make her feel. When she has her kids, her feelings won't be elevated by her man only anymore per se, because the children will also have the same effect, so unless a said man has condemned enough respect from a said woman, he won't get sex from and with her.

[–]eet_mijnen_schijtWinners don't take pills.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Almost all humans that live together long enough seem to start to annoy each other; this also includes parent–child relationships. I'm pretty sure that is because humans are actually pretty much to the man awful and you can more effectively ignore that if you don't constantly see each other.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I bet sex would be even better if you got a new partner every year or two.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So why get married? They're just fwb.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (31 children) | Copy Link

You mean single, non-committed people have a lot of sex because the woman never gets comfortable and closes up shop?

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] 4 points5 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

It’s not about getting comfortable. It’s about not allowing time for her to become annoyed or resentful of you.

Also in general, couples that live apart probably only have sex 2-3x a week or less which is a good cadence for women to actually want sex each time. Sexual satisfaction decreases for women the moment she starts having sex more than what she actually lusts for. It becomes duty sex which is opposite “sexually satisfying.”

[–]atlantic68Purple Shill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

3? Shit 3 a day just gotta look good with a big bulge and tight ass

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (25 children) | Copy Link

They have sex 2-3x a week because if she zips up her flaps and calls it a day he walks away from her. If they're trapped in a lease for a year, he can't so much up and fuck off. She just has to pretend to be interested in sex for a month and a half or so just before the lease needs renewing

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

So why do you think FWB arrangements exist if women don’t actually want sex?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

That is an arrangement in which they actually want sex.

Marriage is not an arrangement in which they actually want sex

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Marriage is not an arrangement in which they actually want sex

“Gee I want sex. Let’s marry someone I don’t want to have sex with.”

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Lol I think it's the nature of the arrangement itself, best laid plans be damned

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

To be fair - I think there are a lot of sexless marriages for many different reasons. I don’t think it’s something that happens by necessity at all though.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well sure -- but if the study is to believed, then on average, being married is not a good step for one's sexual satisfaction.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

The age bracket suggests children are part of the explanation here, as mentioned in OP.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Never been in one, can't tell ya.

[–]happycheese86No Pill6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Man, everytime I read your comments your life just gets sadder and sadder to imagine.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is life for most men. Only difference is I'm not mopey about it, I just use my time and energy for other pursuits.

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] 2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Confused. You think women never want sex?

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Of course women want sex.

As a means to an end, though.

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I don’t agree that’s the only reason or always the reason. Sometimes we’re just lusty.

[–]MGTOWKapow3 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yes. For shoes. Or status. Or validation.

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You’re trolling and if you’re not then I can’t change how you feel 😂

[–]atlantic68Purple Shill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hes demented

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're right, you can't argue against facts.

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

📠

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband[M] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No incel content.

[–]Braziliancel 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

How is this incel content?

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]atlantic68Purple Shill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Cumming?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Apprently telling the truth is "incel content". I'll just leave it at, it's been said.

[–]prettygirl0816StopYourBitching3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Contrary to popular belief...some women actually want and crave sex daily. And get this WHILE living together with their SO. If the couple gets along on other levels besides fucking...the thought of it being a chore dissipates. The union is based on tryst and respect...fucking becomes SPIRITUAL!!!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Contrary to popular belief...some women actually want and crave sex daily

And science is trying to find out where both of them live, so they can be studied.

[–]GridReXXit be like that[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your posts are telling.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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