Men and entitlement to sex

87AudreyHorne · 2019-04-23T12:30:51+00:00

I agree with that, I think people jump to entitlement as some way to deflect conversation from what I've seen when it's really usually irrelevant. I think in almost every situation, people understand what it means to be unhappy when you can't have something you want (and the more common it is, the more unhappy you'd be without it). Sex would be pretty low on Maslow's pyramid of needs anyway. So it is really a bit deceptive to brush off someone's unhappiness by talking about entitlement.

I think the issue is that everyone wants to be able to give a quick fix to every problem. You can't just hear someone out who is unhappy and accept their situation, leave it at that. It's as if we have to figure out who is guilty, what needs to be done, and make it clear this doesn't fall on our consciousness (not that it does, but anyway..). Somehow, making it a matter of entitlement absolves everyone, even the life itself, and means absolutely nothing.

FlavFal · 2019-04-23T13:32:35+00:00

Entitlement is a buzzword these days.

Maybelowsmv · 2019-04-23T12:59:21+00:00

oh wait... theres also entitlement in the form of mateguarding women from your own cultural/ethnic background

I consider it entitlement because who do they think they are that they have a right to judge whether a girl should sleep with men outside of her background or not?

That entitlement is further expressed in men who believe in their right to 'spread their seed' to women of a variety of backgrounds, where "their" women can't or else theyre disloyal whores

PixieChief · 2019-04-23T14:10:54+00:00

I don’t think any of things listed in the OP indicate or denote a perceived entitlement to sex.

Entitlement to sex is really illustrated by men getting angry when they don’t get sex whether that’s in a marriage, LTR or in life generally.

Getting angry shows that you feel the other person is doing something wrong in saying ‘no’ to you. Otherwise, why would you be angry?

Littleknownfacts · 2019-04-23T12:15:47+00:00

None of that is what women mean when they say men act like they are entitled to sex. They mean that guys get angry when they are rejected for sex. They mean guys who ask "what's wrong with women/society that women don't want to fuck me?"

Maybelowsmv · 2019-04-23T12:40:05+00:00

I think the entitlement idea is from:

- Men complaining about the 'high standards' of women. They have no solutions for this either. Like what do they want women to do? Have lustless sex with them out of a moral obligation?

- Men advising each other to dump female friends if shes not interested in them sexually. Or that theyre a cuck by-extension if they have a female friend who sleeps with others

I understand feeling rejected and frustrated because of it

But the way this is portrayed is quite entitled. Because for them, it isnt a matter of not matching. It's a matter of women being 'evil creatures who want lesser men dead'

SubstantialNegro · 2019-04-24T14:20:52+00:00

Male entitlement to sex doesn't exist. Never has, never will. Facts.

The truth is that these bitches out here playing games; claim to want to wait for sex just to extract time and attention from a dude. At the same time, they think they have some fucking right to spend time at a man's house, eat/drink/smoke all his shit ip, and even sleep in the same bed with him.

But when it comes time for the bitch to put out, we "entitled"? And when we point out female's bullshit, we wrong? We are suddenly "incels", rapists and misogynists? Fuck outta here. You blue pilled cunts, yes all of you, are some fucking liars.

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_Tumbleweed- · 2019-04-23T12:50:14+00:00

I’ve seen men compare their need for sex to their need for food.

No.

You won’t die without it.

And you’re not entitled to use someone else’s body because of “needs”.

douchebag_throwaway3 · 2019-04-23T13:23:29+00:00

Right.

A woman that has many suitors, but turns them all down because her standards are too high and then complains about where have all the good men gone is entitled.

A man that can't get anything and is frustrated is not entitled.

LillthOfBabylon · 2019-04-23T12:16:43+00:00

You have to show me an example. It's about what a particular guy SAYS that seems entitled. Alot of issues guys have is making sure they're saying the right words. If it sounds like whining, then yes, you'll sound entitled to people.

bonusfruit · 2019-04-23T18:09:09+00:00

Reframing mens desires, expressions and intentions as sinister and predatory is a sort of default position that all people tend to take. It's like yawning or scratching your ass.

we-are-men-with-ven · 2019-04-23T20:10:15+00:00

I have had men get stroppy when I didn't sleep with them. I would call that entitled.

ligmakun · 2019-04-23T14:09:08+00:00

aside from a good family which men may or may not have, men rely on their partner for emotional support. theres a reason why single men commit suicide the most

bigdaveyl · 2019-04-23T15:08:04+00:00

I don't think it's entitlement, it's frustration.

Nearly all people want some form of companionship and intimacy.

PMmeareasontolive · 2019-04-23T17:16:34+00:00

Men desiring sex means women owe them sex.

No. Nothing to do with entitlement.

How would that not be the very poster child of entitlement?

[deleted] · 2019-04-24T05:13:48+00:00

Needs = I need a relationship where I am satisfied sexually. If I'm not satisfied, then I will figure out if I need to do something different to change the situation or if I need to leave the relationship.

Entitlement= I need her to sexually satisfy me when I want, and if she doesn't then there's something wrong with her.

HostileErectile · 2019-04-24T09:06:59+00:00

Voicing frustrations isnt the same as entitlement, i agree. its silly.

ActiveShitter · 2019-04-24T09:12:32+00:00

Actually women don't need sex. So it's not a "basic human need for all genders", it's just a basic need for males.

In fact not only do women not need sex, they are repulsed and frightened by male sexuality. That's why they hate rape and sexual harassment.

The reason women keep going on about how "Men are not entitled to sex" is because women want to take male sexuality and make it so no woman has to ever open her legs. Women would be much happier if every man's penis in the world just got cut off.

ffbtaw · 2019-04-24T20:27:40+00:00

In a culture based around slave morality if an injustice exists something must be done about it. Social justice advocates don't want to do anything about male sexual dispossession therefore it's not an injustice.

xoxuv · 2019-04-26T12:29:47+00:00

Men do not get sex. Men give sex.

Having no sex is men's own fault.

QueenCousland86 · 2019-05-21T01:12:12+00:00

Entitlement isn't about "oh I am so lonely, I wish I had a girlfriend!" Entitlement is about the guy that sends you a 100+ abusive, threatening messages because you ignored his dick pic. Or the guy who stalks you across every social media platform you use, sending you new demands faster than you can block him, making new accounts to tell you what a fat, evil whore you are because you won't just give him a chance. He's the guy at a bar, or a party, or a friend's house, who won't stop trying to touch you no matter how far away you move. So no, the average guy isn't entitled. But there's definitely a minority giving the rest of you a bad name.

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flamingoinghome · 2019-04-23T13:04:06+00:00

None of what you're describing is entitlement it's true. I think people are quick to jump the entitlement gun, but it is there. It's a tone, not a state. It's the difference between an unemployed person who is sad and angry they don't have a job (not entitlement), and someone accusing their employer of wage theft (entitlement--but not necessarily wrong. Sometimes people actually are entitled to things).

I also think that men in particular are quick to equate the human need for physical contact with a need for sex, because for cultural reasons, men are socialized in such a way that nonsexual affectionate touch confuses them. This can read as entitlement to women, who DON'T generally have a 1:1 idea of physical contact=sexual contact.

RadicalHarpy · 2019-04-23T18:26:32+00:00

oh please, bull.

as if men here and everywhere dont start whining and threatening with ze societal collapse every time women talk about entitlement from men.

Barneysparky · 2019-04-23T13:01:13+00:00

I believe if I was an 16 year old today I would have grown up with a steady stream of Instagram models, Paris Hilton types, and unprecedented access to porn.

I believe young people today don't see as many real people interact in their day to day lives. My kids even grew up with "visiting", neighbours just dropping in on each other and generally knowing each other's company and life. Between that and smaller families today most young people don't have the range of knowing 50 or so people from various lifestyles and cultures like my generation often did.

I think the word entitlement works loosely , but it's not an accurate word. More like acting out because Santa isn't real?

No porn star for Johnny when he turned 14, but other guys must be doing that porn star sex right?

I'm not completely oblivious, I do have a 24 year old steroid addicted son, so I've been able to observe the differences between him and his dad. It is different today, I wouldn't put the label entitled on it though, although individual young men can be labeled that way.

Older "red pill" guys don't even go into the equation of route cause of entitlement to me. Those types of humans have always been around, kinda like male Karen's.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2019-04-23T13:15:39+00:00

Those people are misusing the concept entitlement. Stop reading and listening to feminists and women

Wallstreet3 · 2019-04-23T17:20:31+00:00

Men do not feel entitled to sex. Every man understands that we are entitled only to the minimum of respect and dignity. Everything else we have to earn as men.

What women call 'male sexual entitlement' is actually one of several different things.

A contract where a man is holding up his end of the bargain but the woman is not.
A quid pro quo where the woman bails when it comes to pay with her body a check she wrote with her mouth.
Mixed signals.
Frustration with their cock not being allowed on the carousal that women ride.
A word women made up to invalidate point 4 and allow them not to feel empathy for another person's plight.

ilptrandom · 2019-04-23T13:56:53+00:00

You're a grownup, you can manage organising your own play dates.

mistresswhat · 2019-04-23T21:48:19+00:00

No one says any of that?

When people talk about men feeling entitled to sex, they're talking about a series of much more severe behaviors than "being sad about not getting laid" and "trying to get laid" or "not staying in sexless relationships."

Specifically: rape + lashing out viciously over sexual rejection. Both of which demonstrate clear entitlement to sex.

Stop straw-manning.

quantum_prostate · 2019-04-23T12:36:29+00:00

One of the few things I encounter even less than these supposed individuals "entitled to sex" the internet tells me commonly exists is the strawman logic you came up with in your OP to be honest.

OneJealousGod · 2019-04-23T14:04:20+00:00

If by entitlement you mean becoming frustrated with a continually moving goal post, then yes, some guys can act entitled. By the same standard, some women may be entitled when it comes to who they receive attention from and who they don't. Members of both sexes continually tease the possibility for more to another while giving the least possible, in other words acting entitled. It may be more pronounced in men who actively verbalize their being upset. Women, nonetheless, do the same. Ive seen, and been at the center of, a woman getting upset and being all entitled when a man they like/value does not respond accordingly. They will instantly try to shame the man who did not find them as valuable by mocking, insulting, name-calling (i.e., what are you, gay?). The equivalent of a guy holding a door open and expecting sex.