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I can probably copy and paste hundreds of articles written with this attitude written by women and offer many anecdotes. You can read the google search yourself below and catch the gist of the hundreds of articles written with this attitude.

https://www.google.com/search?q=you+deserve+a+man&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS820US820&oq=you+deserve+a+man&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l2j0l3.4816j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

They are all basically the same and center around one pivotal message: “You Deserve X.”

Men rarely express the sentiment, “I deserve X from women.” I have never heard a man say those words and mean them. A man saying it is about as unlikely as hearing a man say, “I’m so emotional right now” or even “I’m on my period.” I've never seen the attitude of, “I deserve someone who gives me chocolates, thinks I’m perfect, and makes me happy” from a man.

It appears women believe that they deserve things merely by virtue of existing. She is deserving of the man pay for dates, deserving of his protection, deserving of a certain type of man. Women often tell each other, you deserve better, you deserve a great guy, you deserve to be happy. For me, this is an alien concept.

Women not only expect, but feel they deserve, to be swept off their feet and have a man feed them with constant gratification, something that is very obvious within the articles and attitudes I've heard from women in my own life.

https://thoughtcatalog.com/kyle-freelander/2014/05/what-the-person-you-deserve-is-like/

You deserve chocolate when you are cranky, a partner to indulge in your guilty television pleasures, and someone who tries to kiss you even though they just watched you puke up breakfast, lunch, and dinner. This is the person who laughs when you correct their grammar instead of getting mad, the one who knows they had better text you back, and the person who understands that you will not always have your “A game” out on display.

I can't imagine the same sentiment being expressed by a man in the gendered reverse and I just don't see this attitude in articles written by men for men, and attitudes from the men in my life.

Granted, male entitlement exists, and is far more dangerous, but in my opinion it is far less common.

Women act more entitled than men CMV


[–]TheReformist9420 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Men are accused of entitlement to sex and that we aren't owed polygamy or even one partner.

Yet it's just accepted that women are owed at least an 8/10 for hypergamy and for her to start to feel attraction, so it's always the man's fault.

Everyone is cool with women only being satisfied with an alpha yet when a beta just wants affection sex and love from a 5/10 they're accused of entitlement and get shat on

[–]eyewant😋 grape suppository11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yet it's just accepted that women are owed at least an 8/10 for hypergamy and for her to start to feel attraction, so it's always the man's fault.

Depressing isn't it. Funny how everyone so easily accepts this reality.

Everyone is cool with women only being satisfied with an alpha yet when a beta just wants affection sex and love from a 5/10 they're accused of entitlement and get shat on

I think it is because testosterone fueled guy are scary. An entitled women does no harm but complain. But if guys ever stepped up and got entitled en masse, we are in trouble. Men are stronger physically, so it's best to squash any seeds of them thinking they deserve anything.

[–]ICantQuitReddit2Purple Pill Man2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it's more things rooting in gender roles. As men are as you said physically stronger, they were expected to execute most shit and protect. Women were expected to take care of children and manage/support shit.

Human beings love to get control over shit id they can (dudes usually through physical threat, women through emotional manipulation, as they have less other means. Women were more dependant on others to survive).

women often got their freedom stripped and live like a kid or dog under a husband (dependant, reactive, passive), while their job was raising and management. Meanwhile the man was forced to do tough dangerous executional shit to support that family (forced independance, active). It was his responsibility by default. Also if it is not an arranged marriage, it's on him to initiate one. The man is supposed to be active, the woman responsive or semi passive.

The result is that the woman is often seen as the victim and incompetent until proven otherwise. The man instead is often seen as capable and reaponsible, so he often gets seen as the perputrator to blame, until proven otherwise.

Traditionally and somewhat subconciously, A man is expected to do his shit himself. He has to suck it up and make the situation better. It's his responsibility to have shit go well for him and his family. And if something goes wrong, he is to blame. Meanwhile like a dog or child, a woman is seen to need help or protection. If something goes wrong, she's seen as the victim. She's only seen to blame if she strays too far from the soceital restrictions placed on her as a woman.

[–]CainPrice35 points36 points  (46 children) | Copy Link

I would adjust this CMV slightly. The more accurate statement is that feminine people act more entitled than masculine people.

A masculine person (whether we're talking about a conventionally masculine male, or one of the rare macho women out there) tends to suck it up when things don't go his way, roll with the punches, and find a way to make things work.

A feminine person (whether we're talking about 99% of women or the ~40-60 percent of men that are feminized losers who plague the western world) thinks she's entitled to some happiness just for existing and being a special snowflake human whose personality is slightly different than the personalities of other humans.

There are a -lot- of whiny entitled men in the world. But when you see a whiny entitled man, it's not the buff high school quarterback who has 5000 friends and got laid at the house party last weekend. It's the creepy chess team nerd who thought he had a shot at the mousey girl in the math club, until he overheard her giggling with her friends about how even she was at the house party last weekend hooking up with a guy on the team, then he explodes in a frenzy of judgment and woman-hate.

[–]iceicle99916 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It tends to be ignored when women sexually push their boundaries with men (has happened to me) or when they decide to target a guy when he doesn't like them back (has also happened to me). It's true that women are less likely to shoot up a place when they don't get what they want, but as a guy who has experienced the demonic rage women feel when they don't get what they want, I can tell you, it's not fun. Especially considering other guys tend to defend the women and go on strange tangents about how they are oppressed and this and that whatever. The only thing I can tell men and women is that they need to toughen the fuck up and learn to adapt and find a way to deal with not getting what they want. There are lots of ways to recover from coming up short in life.

[–]Zippo-Cat10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh please. Most of these "feminized" men are beta bitches who wouldn't even dare to demand anything from m'lady.

[–]eyewant😋 grape suppository3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

exactly. they're not entitled. they are servants.

[–]Almondxxx3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

A feminized loser? Really ...?

[–]Mocha_Shakea_Khan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly what I was thinking, the whole incels are losers thing has gotten out of hand lately

[–]MGTOWKapow2Don't fuckin touch me0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are more likely to say this as men.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (37 children) | Copy Link

You've presumed being a "whiny/sore loser" is a feminine trait, so obviously your conclusion follows but that's a bad presumption. Now, obviously someone who has a lot doesn't have much opportunity to exhibit entitled behaviour but if conditions change we can observe it. For example, what if your chad here gets to college and realizes he's not nearly as good a QB as he thought he was (story as old as time) how does he react? What about if he totals his car doing some masculine risk taking behaviour and daddy cuts him off?

[–]officerkondoRedder Shade of Purple Man5 points6 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

You've presumed being a "whiny/sore loser" is a feminine trait

It is. The fat acceptance movement is a good example of this.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

You're conflating trait openness with being a "whiny loser"

[–]officerkondoRedder Shade of Purple Man3 points4 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

I don't know what trait openness means but fat chicks know they are losers in the SMV place so they invented fat acceptance.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy Link

From what I know about the fat acceptance movement, the primary motivation is to stop vitriolic behavior (at the societal level) or discrimination against fat people, it's not about getting fat chicks boyfriends.

[–]MGTOWKapow2Don't fuckin touch me1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"I deserve a man with abs, here's some fatspo pics of me with Roz glasses and cupcake tattoo being hugged by a guy with a lifeguard build."

[–]officerkondoRedder Shade of Purple Man2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

it's not about getting fat chicks boyfriends.

That's exactly what it's about. That's why you see chonks on the cover of the SI swimsuit issue. You aren't hypnotizing my brain - no ma'am!

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

That's exactly what it's about.

Source?

[–]officerkondoRedder Shade of Purple Man0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Every article, editorial, blog post, and coffee klatch on The View by women about beauty standards, ever. Without exception, they argue that beauty standards be changed so that they are deemed to be hot.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

No they suggest that women learn to accept they can’t look like Kate Moss without lipo, airbrushing, and unhealthy behaviors and stop berating and hurting themselves to fit a completely unrealistic image. They’re actually not talking about men — everything is not about you.

At the same time, there are far more men who prefer curves to 13 year old boys with hair extensions. Disagree? Then explain porn. t’s cool if you like the skeleton look, that’s your choice, but you don’t speak for all or even most men.

And spare me the fat shaming circle jerk. I’m a lifelong athlete and a public health professional. I don’t advocate for or support unhealthy lifestyles or obesity. We have an obesity problem in the US that needs to curbed. But we’re not talking about that here. We’re talking about normal women with normal bodies who have been shamed by advertising to covet an unattainable ideal so they can sell us useless shit.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Get back to us when "incel acceptance" is a thing.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Get back to us when incels (not be confused with men who are celibate) are anything more than hate mongering shitstains on the quilt of humanity and we’ll talk.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Proving my point exactly.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes because a chick who can't stop eating pies is totes as bad as dudes who praise and worship murderers.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But both want to be accepted by society despite their apparent flaws. Which was my point, not who's worse.

[–]MGTOWKapow2Don't fuckin touch me1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Get back to us when incels (not be confused with men who are celibate)

THe confusion there is deliberate in most people.

[–]Plopolok0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

So how should we call men who are celibate, so as not to confuse them with incels? (Assume their celibacy is not voluntary).

[–]Reed_49830 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lonely men.

[–]Plopolok0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like it. But technically they are not necessarily lonely, some of them can have many friends.

[–]CainPrice2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Then "Chad" would be feminine, too.

You're assuming that a conventionally masculine man has it easy and is faking it, and the second shit doesn't go his way, he'll turn into a feminine whiner like all of the other loser men.

That may be the case. "Chad" may be a feminine man who's had it easy and has been faking masculinity. Or he might not.

But Fatty MacPimpleson on the chess team who's been creepily obsessing over the nerdy girl in math club because she was nice to him the one time they were lab partners but is too timid and chicken-shit to ever make a move and waits passively for a sign that she's into him (feminine behavior), then gets jealous of her and of other guys the second he hears that she hooked up with a cute guy at a house party (feminine behavior), then becomes emotional and whines and yells at her and slut-shames her (feminine behavior) - that guy is totally feminine.

Sure, "Chad" might be feminine, too, and his masculinity might be a total farce. But it might not. Not every masculine guy is faking it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Then "Chad" would be feminine, to.

Well yeah if every example of a masculine person exhibiting entitled behaviour is "not really masculine" or "faking" to you I can't really change your mind. But I disagree that they aren't masculine.

Also, your examples continue to have the problem that the people you describe as masculine aren't losers. It's impossible for a winner to exhibit entitled behaviour, definitionally. This is true of feminine and masculine men alike. So if you want to prove that people who are masculine aren't entitled you have to point to examples of masculine losers, not Chad. The existence of feminine entitled losers does not mean entitlement is feminine trait, none of your examples have proved your point.

[–]CainPrice1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Masculinity is, by definition, handling your shit "like a man" instead of like a woman.

It doesn't matter if you're the star quarterback from a rich family who went to law school got hired by a big firm and made partner, or a blue collar plumber from an abusive home who can barely pay rent to live in a trailer. If you lose your job, your wife divorces you, and your home gets foreclosed, how you handle that determines whether you're masculine or feminine.

If you cry, get emotional, and whine about how life isn't fair because you did everything you're supposed to and things didn't go your way, and you deserve things going your way because you did this and that, that's feminine behavior.

If you suck it up and handle your shit, that's masculine behavior.

Entitlement is feminine behavior.

Let's take the quintessential feminist example of male entitlement:

A really fine-looking, hot-bodied, rich, self-absorbed man at a bar tries to hit on a woman and gets turned down. How he reacts tells us whether he's masculine or feminine.

If he shrugs and goes on with his night, texts as fuck buddy when he gets home, and gets his rocks off, he's manly.

If he gasps in astonishment because he is Chad, the ultra-hot, successful manly man, and he is used to women saying yes, and how dare she say no to Chad, the ultra-hot, successful manly man, and feels that he is entitled to sex with her because he is Chad, the ultra-hot, successful manly man, and he begins to become emotional and yell at her about what a mistake she is making for daring to turn down Chad, the ultra-hot, successful manly man, is Chad really being masculine? Fuck no. He's being a prissy woman.

[–]Reed_49830 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Masculine by definition means "man-like" or "like a man". That masculine means "sucking it up or handling your shit" or "not acting entitled" is your definition, not an universally agreed upon one. It's such a typical RP thing to just label attributes which are universally accepted as good and mature as "masculine", to seemingly prove that men are better than women and/or that masculine is better than feminine. I wouldn't be surprised if you agreed with the claim that loyalty, teamplay, responsibility, taking control of your life and working for a greater goal are also all masculine traits.

[–]CainPrice0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I don't define anything. Society, as a whole, has deemed that being whiny, emotional, and self-absorbed is feminine. And men who behave in a feminine manner like this are unattractive.

When a boy is whiny and emotional, -everyone-, not just CainPrice on Reddit, tells that boy to stop acting like a girl. This is well accepted as feminine behavior, while the opposite behavior of sucking it up and taking it "like a man" is well accepted by -everyone-, not just CainPrice on Reddit, as masculine behavior.

[–]Reed_49830 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Being whiny, self-absorbed and overly emotional are turn-offs for tons of men, too. To a lesser extent, because male attraction cues are more visual (yes, biology does play a role) but they're still cons. I'm turned off by women who can't act like grown up human beings. It's a deal breaker for me, as acting like an adult, owning your shit and taking responsibility are important traits for all adults out there, not just men. This is why parents and schools teach this to girls and boys alike. Girls aren't told by their teachers "you are perfect and can do no wrong, just cry and act entitled and everything is fine." At least they weren't in the civilized Western society schools I attended.

Don't pretend all parents and members of society act like you do and would do with your children. These conservative mindets exist indeed, but there's a reason why telling boys to "suck it up and take it like a man" is nowadays called toxic masculinity. Agree with it or not, but a huge part of society battles against these ideas. Do you seriously believe the University of California graduate, ACLU-member parents - share of society teaches their sons to "never cry, stop acting like a girl and suck it up" ? Give me a break.

[–]CainPrice0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

California liberals can have girly sons of they want. You proposed that I was arbitrarily defining "masculine" in some kind of men=good women=bad red pill argument. Now, it sound like you agree that a decent portion of society in fact agrees with my non-arbitrary, socially accepted concepts of masculine and feminine behavior.

You disagree that the world should be that way and wish it were different, and that California liberals could redefine masculinity with their wishes and nonstandard parenting, but whether or not gender conceptions are wonderful or shitty is a completely different discussion. As is what you, personally, find attractive in women.

Today, right now, it is widely accepted except by fringe liberals that whiny entitled behavior is feminine behavior and sucking it up and rolling with the punches is masculine behavior. As I noted, this is not some arbitrary woman-hating red pill idea, but a far more widely and socially accepted idea.

[–]Reed_49830 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Now, it sound like you agree that a decent portion of society in fact agrees with my non-arbitrary, socially accepted concepts of masculine and feminine behavior.

That's a good point. Yes, your view on masculinity and femininity isn't just your own, it's shared by a part of the population. I'm adjusting my point to this: Your view is not shared by everyone, and a significant amount of people don't agree with it - far more people than those who would disagree with the assertion "boys have a penis, girls have a vagina", and it's not shared by me either. I'm also asserting it's not "widely accepted" that "boys should not cry, they should suck it up and take it like a man. A boy who cries acts like a girl" but instead that this is a fiercely contested view. I would assert at least 50% of the Western European and American population under 40 would disagree with that view. Furthermore, I would assert an even larger amount of the population would disagree with the stance that being "whiny and entitled" is feminine.

Some quick referral after 10 seconds of googling:

Yes, it's official: It's OK for big boys to cry. Our national survey found that 90% of women and 77% of men think it has become more socially acceptable, over the past 20 years, for men to be seen crying. In our focus groups and more in-depth personal interviews, the message was the same: the majority of both men and women felt that attitudes had changed – that the taboo on male tears is now generally regarded as outdated and 'unhealthy', and that men are allowed to be more emotionally open. "It's one good thing about modern life, " said one of our male focus-group participants, "men getting more emotional". "I kinda think it's a healthier way to be," said another. "When Gazza cried, that opened the floodgates for everybody to be allowed to cry," said a female participant.

http://www.sirc.org/publik/Crying_Game.pdf

[–]wtffellificationWe all love women0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

feminine people are not neccessarily feminized though

[–]Nevidimka-10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Men rarely express the sentiment, “I deserve X from women.”

I've never heard a man express that in a group and I've certainly never seen them write an article about it, but any woman over the age of 13 has dealt with mens entitlement. They may not say "I am entitled", but stopping someone in the street/in the club, blocking her way, or flooding her inbox with insults, because they cannot take her rejection, if that's not entitlement then what is it?

And yeah women can be entitled bitches too. As with most of the accusations towards the other sex on this sub, it's just something both sexes are guilty of, just in sightly different ways.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Again, I'm not saying male entitlement is non-existent. It does exist and is far more dangerous than female entitlement.

[–]Zippo-Cat5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

if that's not entitlement then what is it?

Anger and shame?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Stopping someone in the street or blocking her way is just running game or rudeness, it's not "entitled". I don't even think a guy insulting a woman is "entitled". It's him acting like a dickhead, but that's not "entitled". He's not saying to her "you have to fuck me because I want to fuck you".

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Saying " I was nice to her! She zhould fuck me!" Is entitlement

To me, men and women are equally entitled, just in different ways.

[–]neualgae 1 points [recovered]  (13 children) | Copy Link

This is just standard feel-good girl platitudes on the same level of "you are beautiful just the way you are!". With a bit of "hey maybe don't date a guy who treats you like garbage" mixed in. I've probably said "you deserve better" to a friend before, I didn't mean literally "the world owes you a perfect man", just "you are accepting some really shitty behavior and it is realistic that you could up your standards a bit and still not die alone".

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 11 points12 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Standard feel-good girl platitudes are still entitled attitudes. Any attitude that expresses that you deserve someone is entitled.

[–]Engineeringirl11No Pill-1 points0 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

if that's true then what is the difference between having standards and being entitled? Why is it entitlement to encourage a girl to expect a healthy relationship from their partner?

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Desiring a standard is different than a proclamation that you deserve someone.

Do you not see how these are different things? One is a desire and the other is a belief you deserve someone of that standard.

[–]Engineeringirl11No Pill1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I don’t believe most people who say “you deserve someone better” is saying that you are entitled to the first person that comes along that fits that description. Instead it’s meant to motivate the person by saying you have more value then you give yourself credit for and should not be ashamed for taking opportunities that will lead to your happiness. It’s meant to help men and women who feel ashamed or low self worth which can be a big issue in today’s world.

Obviously, someone could use the phrase and mean it in the literal way of I have a right to this person but most people aren’t like that. And they should be called out when they do say things with that meaning.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Believing that you deserve any standard of person is an entitled attitude, no matter how you hamster it away.

[–]Engineeringirl11No Pill0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Is holding others to a high standard not a good idea in your opinion? Should we not have expectations for how the people in our lives treat us and if they consistently treat us poorly shouldn't we not allow them to be a part of our life anymore??

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It’s not the expectation or holding someone to a higher standard. It’s the belief that you deserve someone of that standard.

If it was just about having expectations, women would say that they could do better, not that they deserve better.

You don’t deserve any human.

[–]Engineeringirl11No Pill1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I mean at this point it feels like you're just nit picking their word choice over the actual intent. Now if you'd prefer they used a more politically correct message then I can support that. But to make the claim that anyone who uses deserve over could is telling you to be entitled feels like a bit of a reach. The way the OP phrases things seems to refer to the better interpretation of you could have nice stuff you just have to take advantage of it.
Now, I will also concede that Americans in general have a strong sense of entitlement and that sometimes seeps into the way we speak but in this instance its more just trying to encourage women to take advantage of the nice things around them rather than say they have a god given right to them.
Its also worth mentioning that there are several phrases in common use that when examined more closely can be seen as entitlement.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It is entitled though. They do in fact feel like they deserve a certain caliber of man. Any time being a man in the dating scene will give you this impression. If you’re honest, you can admit it exists and is more prevalent than male entitlement.

[–]ITooHaveThumbsMulticolored Pill Alchemist5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You only need to go on any online dating platform and read female profiles for 10 min, or browse the tens of thousands of comments from women in r/datingadvice and r/relationshipadvice to know that this is just not true. The vast majority of women actually 'do' feel entitled to a man with a laundry list of positive physical, material, and behavioral attributes. This is more or less self-evident if you're even remotely paying attention and being honest.

[–]Reed_49830 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

When I was still online dating, no woman was saying "I deserve xx". They were saying what they would like to have, and everyone is free to have requirements for dating someone.

[–]SmurfESmurferson13 points14 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Dude, you googled “you deserve a man.” Of course you got those results

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Look at the results for the google "you deserve a woman"

Except for the top result, it's still all about what women "deserve".

[–]Salty-Bastard8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Hmmn, it's almost as if Google has an agenda and manipulates results...

Nah, they would never do that.

[–]ImJustaBagofHammersPurple Pill Man13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I doubt it’s Google pushing an agenda, it’s probably just because there are far more people saying women are entitled to “good men” than people saying men are entitled to “good women”.

[–]Salty-Bastard4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

While your point is not wrong Google is a shitshow of PC SJW progressives. Citation; I have a couple of insider Clients there. There's also a good Ted Talk on them, I'll see if I can dig it up for you.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmmn, it's almost as if Google has an agenda

Oh one of the largest corporations in the US? I doubt they have an agenda of any kind...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Indeed...

[–]tmep-account17290 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Bbbbuuttt.. i... it's a ppublic forum!

[–]Salty-Bastard0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But muh algorithms.

[–]Christian_Kong80% Natural Red9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I was about to agree with you but after googling "you deserve a woman", after the first result("The woman you deserve") every single result after that is a variant of "what you deserve in a man."

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Google dead bedrooms then tell me what you find.

[–]Christian_Kong80% Natural Red5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Mostly links to reddit and a few links to weirdo red pill sites. I don't think expecting intimacy with your SO is entitlement, but part of the foundation of a healthy relationship.

[–]MirrorMirror_OTWfuck your optics6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You expect love AND affection in your relationships (which may or may not even be monogamous)? Wow, entitlement much?

[–]SmurfESmurferson0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No kidding. It’s almost like ... he googled that specific phrase

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The gendered reverse except for the single top result, is about what women deserve in a man.

[–]Zippo-Cat9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Google "you deserve a woman" and compare the results, then.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Why yes of course I did. That doesn't change my view that the attitude of deserving a certain type of relationship is primarily held by women.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You Googled "I believe in Christ" and found Christians, basically. LOL.

[–]SmurfESmurferson6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You’re engaging in a self fulfilling prophecy. Stop googling specific things, and applying them to the world’s entire population

FFS, look at the sexual relationships incels feel entitled to. They don’t represent men in general

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The articles mirror the attitudes I've seen in real life. They are supporting documents to my experiences.

FFS, look at the sexual relationships incels feel entitled to. They don’t represent men in general

That's incorrect and a false equivalence. From my understanding, incels un-ironically call themselves sub-human and don't feel like they deserve any intimacy. But I'll entertain your false premise because I'm a nice guy like that. Let's say that incels DO feel entitled to women. They certainly don't write widely published articles to men explaining how they deserve women that gain mainstream approval. So your point is moot.

[–]SmurfESmurferson8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Elliot Rogers manifesto was pretty widely covered. And the fact that the incel community holds him in high regard is so well covered that I’ve heard it discussed (with disgust, by sexually successful men) at a bar at happy hour

My point isn’t moot. Hell, even Law & Order just did an incel episode

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A killer's manifesto being widely covered in the news is not mainstream approval of the manifesto. Your point is moot.

[–]AnAmericanTrollinWA0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'll have to watch that episode

[–]SmurfESmurferson2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s so delightfully bad. Lifetime Movie-sequel bad

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.7 points8 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

This entire V falls apart because your evidence proves the opposite.

If you are actually entitled (men) you don't need to read articles upon articles telling you that you should be entitled (women).

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 1 point2 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Can you rephrase that please?

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.3 points4 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Articles structured as "you deserve X" are written to change the status quo and the reader's opinions. The reader is assumed to believe "I do not deserve X".

So if you see articles telling people they "do deserve X" it's because they don't believe they deserve X. The articles function to attack their existing beliefs that they "don't deserve X".

In other words:

  • Existence of articles saying "women deserve X" is actually evidence that women do NOT act more entitled to X.

  • Absence of articles saying "men deserve X" is actually evidence that men DO act more entitled to X.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 1 point2 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

That's a false premise. It's entirely possible that the women who don't believe they deserve X type of relationship are a minority.

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.-1 points0 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

The population sizes of men and women are roughly equivalent. Disparities in the number of articles written speaks to disparities in the demand for the articles. So whether or not they are a minority, that minority of women is larger than the equivalent minority of men. Which tanks your V.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 3 points4 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

It's also a false premise that the articles are written to change the reader's opinions. The articles are often written to solidify an opinion.

The articles attitudes are often "ra ra you go girl get what you deserve."

Are you saying that there is mainstream approval of entitled female attitudes? It could be the case that these entitled opinions from men are just simply not acceptable within the overton window of gender and dating articles, not only that there is some kind of disparity in demand.

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

"ra ra you go girl get what you deserve."

Pep talks are strongest when you're down and need a pep talk.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 3 points4 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Sure, but your argument is based on the false premise that the entitled pep talk is demanded equally across the genders. These entitled opinions from men are just simply not acceptable within the overton window of gender discussions.

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

If that's a false premise, then your V is built on the same false premise. You need to pick either your V or your evidence and argument in OP. You can't have both.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

My view is based on my experience that women more often speak of the man they deserve, deserving of the man pay for dates, deserving of his protection, deserving of a certain type of man. Women often tell each other, you deserve better, you deserve a great guy, you deserve to be happy.

The articles are supporting documents to the types of attitudes I've experienced from women. And the supply and demand of the articles themselves and the overton window of how much entitlement men are "allowed" to express displaying this attitude is irrelevant to how many women feel this way in real life.

[–]ITooHaveThumbsMulticolored Pill Alchemist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I reject your premise entirely. The current click bait paradigm of 'media' is designed to reinforce existing views, not change them. That's exactly what it means to be in a 'filter bubble', which is how articles gain likes, views, and shares.

[–]DXBrigade1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Men and women show entitlement differentely. Women are more direct "I deserve this or I want that ". Men's entitlement results in being angry at women for having sex with other men beside them.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

And you think men attack women at greater frequency than women proclaim they deserve a type of man?

Seems like this entitled behavior is ubiquitous in female relationship.

“You deserve better” attitudes from women are still far more common than male anger at women for rejection.

[–]DXBrigade3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Many of the threads I see here, are just men doing that.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t ever see men proclaiming they deserve any woman. Can you give me an example?

Regardless, if it’s stuck here in the dungeons of the internet while female entitlement is published with mainstream approval, that is telling in and of itself and supports my argument, not yours.

[–]CatchPhrazeRed is For Rudolph0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Point out one femcel who went on a shooting spree. If we want to use the most harrowing of examples of attacking, yeah it's mostly men doing it.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

That just shows men inflict more violence from their sense of entitlement. It doesn't show that men are more entitled.

[–]CatchPhrazeRed is For Rudolph0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I think men do attack women at a greater frequency and certainly at greater cost.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Well the data shows otherwise. Women attack men with higher frequency but their capability to inflict serious harm is obviously far lower.

[–]CatchPhrazeRed is For Rudolph0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'll agree with that, woman are far more likely to be verbally or mildly physically abusive.

I do disagree that the over all damage is the same though. Being yelled at or smacked is wrong but its several degrees less disastrous then murder. You have tens of victims in that case, all the friends and family members.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

We aren't in disagreement. The overall damage done is not the same, obviously. However, women are still more violent.

[–]CatchPhrazeRed is For Rudolph0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd say more violent means more escalation. Men are more violent, in that the violence they cause is much greater and women are less controlled about it though.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not as far as the law is concerned. Women inflict more violent acts on their spouses.

[–]boomcheese444 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think a lot of this issue is because there are a lot of low-self esteem or blue pill women that settle for outright bad behavior from their partners... or unkowingly become a plate. So yeah, you hear and read a lot of messages encouraging women to go after what they want or at least put up boundaries. Women are naturally passive and they often don't think they have to be strategic to get desired outcomes in life.

The same bolstering techniques are used in RP.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes certainly. I do think lots of it is a consequence of women who settle for outright bad relationships and are then told they deserve better.

That doesn't make it any less entitled though.

[–]boomcheese442 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, I barely understand the meaning of the world "entitled" anymore. I guess everyone is entitled. Why can't we accept that as a neutral thing at this point?

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is what it is. I think the word is often used as a bludgeon of sorts and is intensely moralized.

[–]kandyapplezincel larping as a thot2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Men rarely express the sentiment, “I deserve X from women.”

yeah because they say "i deserve x from my girlfriend" instead

[–]LeadInfusedRedPill🐕 Woof 🐕1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Cersei is a whore

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

[–]LeadInfusedRedPill🐕 Woof 🐕1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

n count of 4

DOUBT

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Her husband, her brother, her cousin and that sailor.

[–]LeadInfusedRedPill🐕 Woof 🐕1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That’s all that you know about

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

jfc it was a joke

[–]Wandos7naproxen sodium0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

SHAME

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I think articles like these are an attempt by women to over-correct for what they see (rightly or wrongly) as too many women "settling" for subpar relationships where the man takes her for granted. They don't see it as entitlement, they see it as not selling themselves short.

The real problem is that many women are... idk... confused, and have this inaccurate idea about what they themselves bring to the table. They think they are providing lots of value to men by being educated, ambitious, careerist, "challenging" to their man, helicopter-y (you see this when women go shopping and fuss a LOT over what to buy and think they are providing value in this way)... when in fact, all that pales in comparison to the value of being DTF.

If women were all DTF they would be completely right about how much they deserve in relationships. Like it or not, pussy IS much more valuable than dick, so having one grants a certain baseline negotiating power in relationships. But not so much when said pussy isn't DTF.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They don't see it as entitlement, they see it as not selling themselves short.

I know they don't see it as entitlement. That's because they phrase "entitled" is so heavily moralized, that they refuse to see themselves as acting immoral.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It allllllllll hinges on whether they are DTF.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Many women are worthless whores. That's way you tried to say?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nah, i like most women. Doesnt mean they are all perfect mind reading angels

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I read your comment wrong.

[–]shonenhikada0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What do you mean act?

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I gave you plenty of examples in my OP

[–]Plopolok0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine you can communicate with squirrels. If you speak with a female squirrel about mating, you could conceivably fit concepts like "what she deserves", how high she should set the bar. If you speak with a male squirrel about mating, these ideas will be alien to him. Why would he set any bar? What would it mean for him to deserve someone? Males compete, females select. So of course women are gonna discuss their "entitlement" more than men.

[–]MGTOWKapow2Don't fuckin touch me0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can't imagine the same sentiment being expressed by a man in the gendered reverse

To be fair, men used to.

"I'll ride the shit out of easy, fast girls who put out, and then I'll find a good, virgin, Christian girl to be the mother of my children." It was a weird Madonna/whore complex time where men thoroughly expected to find someone to vigorously fuck in his eariler years that he'd treat ilke a pariah once he wanted to be a good family man.

There are tradcons out there, but most men have abandoned that. Meanwhile there's a hell of a lot of young women who want to ride the bad boy cock carousel and land at 36 with Billy Betabux to pay for her kids and the rest of her life.

[–]Muse_asvhedu0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Because men’s entitlement is an unspoken expectation - men don’t say that they’re entitled to a wife who makes them dinner every night, who cleans house, who handles the household and child care, but how many men do you know that wouldn’t be pissed if their wife stopped? Especially men whose wives work equal or longer hours than they do?

It comes down to social expectations. Women still have to say it because these are desires, not expectations. Women rarely expect to be treated well by their SO, so they have to be reminded that no matter what society says, they don’t have to take shit from the person they’re in a relationship with. We deserve to be treated well - men already know they will be.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Expectation is not entitlement though. You’re saying men desire these things and expect them. That’s true. They don’t act like they deserve it merely by existing. If they act like they deserve it, it’s because they work longer and harder hours it seems.

I don’t think you deserve any treatment, good or bad, from another individual. You aren’t entitled to other people by merely existing. Also; I don’t think men already know for a fact they will be treated well. Most settle for women who treat them quite poorly. The rates of domestic violence show this is the case.

Results. Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally violent. In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases. Reciprocity was associated with more frequent violence among women (adjusted odds ratio [AOR]=2.3; 95% confidence interval [CI]=1.9, 2.8), but not men (AOR=1.26; 95% CI=0.9, 1.7).

Men are more likely to inflict injury but women are more violent according to the data we have.

[–]Muse_asvhedu0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Source? https://www.speakcdn.com/assets/2497/domestic_violence2.pdf shows that it’s usually men who perpetrate violence against women - men are far more likely to murder their partners than women are, and women make up 94% of murder-suicide victims.

People in relationships deserve to be treated with respect, kindness, and mutual affection. That’s how relationships work. When you lose one of those things, the relationship usually devolves into abuse. If you don’t think that, then you probably shouldn’t be in a relationship.

Expectation is not entitlement though. You’re saying men desire these things and expect them. That’s true. They don’t act like they deserve it merely by existing. If they act like they deserve it, it’s because they work longer and harder hours it seems.

You don’t seem to know how language works. An expectation? Means that you think you deserve it. Entitlement comes in many forms, and that includes the expectation that someone will treat you better than you treat them for no other reason than that you exist.

Who raised you? Who took care of you when you were sick, who packed your lunches, drove you to school, signed your permission forms, set up your after school events, cooked dinner, cleaned house, kept the books, paid bills, took care of and raised you? For most households, the answer is the mother. Not because she wanted to take on all the emotional and domestic labor, but because her husband felt silently entitled to his personal freedom, even when they work the same amount of hours (which, discluding domestic affairs, they usually do. With domestic affairs, women average working 20-30 more hours a week than men).

“Entitlement” means the expectation that things will be given to you just because you exist. If you actually have it, you never even need to say it.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I gave you the source. Women are more violent, but men inflict more serious harm, and I already said that.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/

Yes, I do think my mother wanted to care for me. It wasn’t out of being forced to do it.

Entitled merely means the feeling you deserve special treatment. Women absolutely feel this way in dating.

[–]Muse_asvhedu0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Women feel entitled to respect in relationships ... because relationships need respect. Wanting to not have a shitty partner isn’t entitlement, it’s a sign that society tells women to stick with shitty partners for far too long.

ETA: read your study. You didn’t mention that 1) those numbers include violence perpetrated in self defense, 2) the sample was of troubled youths, meaning a higher likely rate of abuse anyways, 3) that the authors pointed out that this was all self-reported, and that the numbers were likely skewed due to men not reporting violence against their female partners.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Feeling entitled to respect is still feeling entitled. You’re moralizing. There’s nothing wrong with feeling entitled to respect from another person. Stop moralizing.

[–]Muse_asvhedu0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You’re the one saying that all entitlement is wrong. I think you’re mistaking entitlement in a lot of cases for vocalized self respect or a desire for self respect.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Where did I say that all entitlement is wrong? That’s your assumption.

A belief that you deserve anything is entitled, even if it’s respect.

I’m entitled to human rights for instance. YOURE the one who mistakenly believes that all entitlement is wrong.

[–]Muse_asvhedu0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your general attitude, as well as previous remarks in this thread, made that clear. And you’re obviously not worth debating, seeing as you just ... Lied? Is it even lying if you can see that I obviously said nothing of the sort just a few messages up?

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Quote where I said that it was always bad. Again, that’s your incorrect assumption.

[–]Cunari0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everyone who complains about entitlement feels entitled that some other person should not be entitled.

[–]NightLettuce7090 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a feminist I agree legitimately

[–]LillthOfBabylon0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Of course there’s more entilted women than entitled men. That doesnt make whiny entitled incels any less annoying. In fact, similar to how Feminists act too masculine to be desirable, incels act too feminine to desirable.

[–]SeljukCuck1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I lurk incel subs and the whole entitled thing is now a meme there just like “take a shower bro”.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll say it now and I'll say it again, if lookism isn't discussed or to put differently the beauty standards of men aren't given the same examination as does women, then the incel thing will never be handled.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

They 'act' more entitled? What does this mean? They pretend they're more entitled, but actually they're not?

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Yes, women are not actually entitled to men. They only act as though they are.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

then what's the problem?

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's only a problem if you feel as though acting entitled to another person is immoral.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Women act as though they are because men tell women they are, act like they are, let women get away with acting like they are, and put up with crap from them.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

The lack of personal accountability is...telling. its mens fault women act entitled!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes and no. Men train women how to treat them. Women act accordingly. But women also act entitled in other ways, independently of what men do.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'll believe that when dead bedrooms is no longer a thing.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. I've read over there. More and more men in DB relationships really need to start telling their wives that a DB is completely unacceptable, and say "change it, or I'm divorcing you". Or just divorce and be done with it and knuckle down and pay the money.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

But do you see how that should never be a thing? That the answer is she wont have sex with you to the point a dude has to divorce his wife. That's max entitlement to sit there collecting the benefits of marriage while simultaneously not participating in it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes I do see how it should not be a thing. And how no man should actually have to sit his wife down and say "dear wife, part of being a wife is that we fuck. And if you will not fuck, then you don't get to be a wife. Capiche?" That should have been made quite clear to a girl long before she ever walks down the aisle. I blame her parents (usually her mother, who won't fuck her father for the same reasons her daughter won't fuck her husband). Her parents should be explaining clearly what a wife is supposed to be and do.

[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, whole heartedly agree.

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Men act entitled!"

"But women act more entitled than men do!"

Just another day in the gender wars.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

fully agree. Women have a sense of entitlement today greater than that of men at any point in recorded history.

[–]ilptrandom1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh for fucks sake you posted a very similar post designed to prompt similar conversation just seven days ago, nobody is going to have much different of an opinion than they did back then.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/bdgx57/is_it_ever_reasonable_to_feel_entitled_to_sex/

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You could say that about this entire subreddit. The red pilled men have their beliefs on the TRP sidebar, the blue pilled men are beta cucks living in the delusional fantasy that women aren't resource-gathering opportunists, and the women who are here don't care either way, most of them already have husbands or boyfriends and are just there for the attention because regardless if blue or red pill are right, they reap the rewards anyways

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

the entitlement goes way past relationships/commitment. women think theyre entitled to time, attention, favors, preferential treatment, protection from strangers https://i.redd.it/gzdzjo9j4l211.png. they view any negative emotion they feel as a result of a problem in the world that needs to be changed by others for them

[–]passepar2t0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Eh, you can sit there and argue this until the cows come home. I think men and women act about equally entitled, and it's in either's best interest to accuse and dismiss the other as more entitled. Rhetorical judo, semiotic terrorism, whatever you want to call it.

[–]ilptrandom4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Eh, you can sit there and argue this until the cows come home

He can and he will! On a weekly basis it appears! https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/bdgx57/is_it_ever_reasonable_to_feel_entitled_to_sex/

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Smoogs: moving the goalposts like a salsa marathon dancer 24/7 but running out of material and now thought recycling.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Salsa marathon dancing does not involve goalposts CMV

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You need to come up with some new shit man it is getting getting kind of Groundhog Day with you.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The previous post wasn't a CMV =)

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmmm.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Judging which gender is more entitled based on whether one style of writing or another is more prevalent from which on the Internet is far from a complete analysis.

Sorry but you'll have to expand this like 10 fold to include more acts that show entitlement to be convincing.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

That's not an attempt to change my view. It mirrors my experiences in real life with women far more likely to proclaim they deserve a certain type of man, be taken out for dates, or be swept off their feet.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Of course it's an attempt to change your view. I'm saying your "view" is based on extremely weak evidence. And my life experience don't mirror yours so let's put that out of the way if you don't mind and I can say "man version" things of what you said.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

You don't know women who feel like they deserve to be taken out, protected and swept off their feet?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I do I also know men who feel like they deserve to be deferred to, cooked for, cleaned after and sexually serviced.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

So your experience does mirror mine lol

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So what it doesn't show women act MORE entitled than men lolol

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I still think that men are far less likely to express they deserve a certain type of woman or deserves any kind of special treatment on a date. I'm still surprised you are seeing these attitudes as equally held across genders.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

OK well even if it were true (which I don't agree it is), who cares? What's the point? What have you accomplished should this be true?

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no point beyond it being an entertaining topic of discussion for me on a slow day.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

What you're describing is the result of social engineering.

Take a long hard look at basically any Muslim society and you'll get a bunch of dudes whose entitlement is through the roof as a rule.

In the West, we get the typically female "I am princess kiss my feet"-attitude coupled with the whole grievance culture, which makes for a particularly toxic combination.

[–]Zippo-Cat2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Take a long hard look at basically any Muslim society and you'll get a bunch of dudes whose entitlement is through the roof as a rule.

Yes, take a long hard look at any muslim society where men are expected to provide not only for their wives and daughters, but also for their own sisters, mothers and aunts. While they sit at home all day doing basically fucking nothing(that's called "oppression" by the way)

How entitled of them.

[–]Hungry_AF 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Imagine being retarded enough to take a society where women are prevented from having a proper education and a career BY MEN and trying to twist that into men being victimized. Jesus christ men are pathetic.

[–]Zippo-Cat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Imaginve believing that preventing someone from getting proper education and a career somehow hurts them.

Do you also believe that people cannot be happy unless they throw a paper ballot in an urn every few years?

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As someone from a country with a sizable Muslim minority of Turkish and also Arab descent, I certainly see a propensity for pampering male offspring and treating them like the best thing since sliced bread.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

grievance culture

=manosphere

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Except that the manosphere is some obscure corner of the internet, and women-focused (also ethnicity-focused, though that doesn't matter in this particular context) grievance culture is enabled by politics, media and academia.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ugh ....

PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE.

Men are entitled, women are entitled, if you let them be.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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