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... and RP is no longer ever discussed and no one even seems to know what it is anymore.

obviously subs evolve and this is natural and RP ideas have in many ways entered the discourse and become normalized, but it has also shifted the tenor of this sub tremendously. no one is ever actually argfuing for or against RP ideas anymore but actually arguing against incel ideas

have BP actually accepted RP at this point that they dont even know htey are saying RP things to counter incel ideology?

is incel/blackpill ideology RP or BP or neither?

does it belong on THIS subreddit just because it is also about the sex wars? we dont have GC vs QT posts here, because they wouldnt belong here

what do you think


[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice42 points43 points  (113 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, been a long time since I'v seen an actual red pill vs blue pill debate. It's all incel/blackpill whinging as far as the eye can see.

Incels/blackpill are neither BP nor RP nor even close to ether. They don't belong here. There seems to be a demand for a "debate incels vs normies" sub so somebody should get on that.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (93 children) | Copy Link

Although there should be a separate debate sub, these types do pose some questions worth serious discussion. If both RP and BP methods aren't helping these guys, "let them eat cake" is the worst response.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice30 points31 points  (40 children) | Copy Link

Nothing is going to help them short of the pussy fairy dropping a waifu in their lap.

They can't be helped because they don't want any help that entails taking responsibility for their own life.

[–]The3liGator4 points5 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

Nothing will help these poor whiners except a money fairy dropping money in their lap. They aren't rich because they don't want to be rich.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice2 points3 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

figures that incels would be socialists

[–]The3liGator6 points7 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

That's 2 labels you can use to dismiss people who bring up points that you don't want to hear. It's funny how incels are called socialist by you, while others are calling them alt-righters at the same time

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice5 points6 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

You don't think it's likely that the same people promoting sexual socialism would be promoting economic socialism?

They both come from the same attitude of "waa waaa the worlds not faaaair"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (18 children) | Copy Link

Yup. They think the world owes them something and whine that it's some kind of injustice when they don't get it. Meanwhile men who make money and get laid are working to get it.

No one ever succeeded at anything (relationships, wealth, whatever) by whining and taking no action...

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Meanwhile men who make money and get laid are working to get it.

Does it hurt you that there are men who put in zero work yet have both in abundance?

Working hard is not a virtue. Results are the virtue.

Swallowing conservative memes won't make you above average (as you're stuck at mr average).

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Does it hurt you that there are men who put in zero work yet have both in abundance?

Hurt me? Not at all. But trust fund kiddos are usually annoying to be around.

Working hard is not a virtue. Results are the virtue.

Working hard absolutely is a virtue, it's literally what drives our civilisation.

If everyone decided to stop working entirely everything would just stop working.

Swallowing conservative memes won't make you above average (as you're stuck at mr average).

What is it you believe I'm average at and what do you base that judgement on?

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Why would I give a single fuck about some random guy having it easier then me? What is it to me? Why should I care?

I'm completely baffled at that idea. Can you explain it to me?

[–]The3liGator0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

"waa waaa the worlds not faaaair"

Anybody who feels that they are having their rights taken away is a big baby.

Follow through and never fight in court, and never ask for a raise.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

What "rights" are being taken away?

Do you have the "right" to fuck people that don't want to fuck you? Do you have the right to take money from people that don't want to give it to you?

As someone who decides who gets a raise, I can tell you that coming into my office blathering about fairness is the fastest way to get denied.

[–]The3liGator0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Do you have the "right" to fuck people that don't want to fuck you? Do you have the right to take money from people that don't want to give it to you?

No, but I have the right to be accepted and to mental well being. I also have the right for a comfortable living and a fair chance of upward mobility.

As someone who decides who gets a raise

Surprise, surprise. The person who is against changing the system is the one who is benefiting from it.

blathering about fairness is the fastest way to get denied.

That's exactly why people won't ask you. That's why people will form unions, and change laws. You will never be fair, you will never grant people their right. You either have to be forced or circumvented.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

L E T T H E M E A T C A K E !

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nah, horse cake is too good for them.

[–]kanarisblog 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Be glad they're not crazy to have an incel guillotine waiting for ya.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If incels had the capacity to do shit like that they wouldn't be incels in the first place.

[–]doctor_awfulChad ThunderDoc1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao even if the pussy fair dropped the perfect unicorn in their life, they'd still find some excuse to go back to their pit of loathing.

[–]Daffan1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

20%...30% soon 50%! The new demographic majority will rule.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The "new demoraphic" will die out due to not reproducing.

[–]Daffan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's the beauty of hypergamy, it's always the bottom %. Additionally third worlders who don't use this fully new free system are reproducing 100x faster then Westerners.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.14 points15 points  (42 children) | Copy Link

We aren’t here to help those guys or anyone else this is a debate sub. Even letting the advice threads through IMO shouldn’t be allowed

[–]Bntt894 points5 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

I think that is what is bad about this thread. If you don’t destroy these kinds of ideologies they will get the more people eventually. Even if you can’t get full on incels you can at least get fence sitters. And tbh if you are getting less incels then you are winning no matter what.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.5 points6 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

They feed off each other, that's for sure. But honestly I am not sure how many of them are all that super serious about the stupid shit they say anyway. maybe I'm being charitable about that who knows.

[–]Bntt891 point2 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

But doesnt makes it even more vital to argue against them. If you can get some thinking about it 50% you may get them back on track to reality. If your arguments are good enough you can even get 70% person.

But at the same time I don’t know anything about how they think so I’m kinda going off he idea they are as dumb as alt righters?

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Vital to whom or to what? You try debating them and see how open they are to changing their minds lol. They aren’t, they just want to hear stuff that conforms to their worldview

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

You just described most people on most topics

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Eh incels have a special kindof dedication to it

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I just dont see it, maybe they annoy you more?

Religion has apologetics, an entire practice dedicated to attempting to defend itself. Politics has... uh whatever but its special. X didnt say Y. show a video and watch the fireworks start. I can give examples for both republicans and democrats.

English gets intentionally misinterpreted because "the bad guy said it"

Many words have lost their meaning, because attempts to correct sloppy usage makes you again... "the bad guy"

The caricature of incel (which seems to vary from person to person"? just a symptom of how messed up shit is. I can transpose just about any negative trait you'd attribute to incel to other groups, groups with much higher representation, power, and mainstream acceptance.

For example if you say incels think all women should be killed (I'd point to this

This was at a religious liberty conference with multiple GoP presidential canidates present iirc.

It took me an hour to find that because I had him confused with Bryan Fischer and thought the speech was an rnc speech (understandable mistake imo)

elliot rodgers is insignificant in comparison to people like Swanson, and trolls on reddit are not even a blip on that scale.

I dont see much defense of the crazy incel shit, but Swanson/Fischer et al? circle the wagons.

Antivaxxers make claims that are demonstrably untrue then shift the goalposts constantly.

Dozens of groups could be listed here, but aint nobody got time for that lol.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

You're one to talk. You pretty much always give up on any topic and never change your mind on anything.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

Not really. If I remember who you are you debate obnoxiously and are unnecessarily hostile so that’s probably why you get some of the responses you do

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

You're not remembering right at all.

I doubt you've ever changed your mind on anything on this sub, you just monologue with an echo.

[–]Bntt890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s vital to stop them from getting any closer to the Elliot Rodger level. Ya it is coming from an assumption that there not as radical. But realistically this isn’t some major commitment nor is it really life changing. It’s just a quick challenge of their ideas. If you don’t know how far down they are you may be able to pull them out. And even if you can’t pull them you may keep someone from going their. But hey I’m an optimist so they may be clouding my judgement.

[–]NaridarJust want to watch the world burn.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Vital to not having another mass murderer with a dozen victims, or even worse. IMHO we're ungodly lucky that none of the incels who went on a killing spree had knowledge on how they could kill not ten people, but hundreds or more.

[–]Daffan0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Destroy them. I am waiting for the day there is a strong argument on this forum other then some anti-science bullshit. Every single time someone says X doesn't matter without evidence all your doing is losing ground.

People who believed in RP felt indestructible because they had tons of anecdotes and some studies behind them. Black pill is 100x entrenched because it's all studies left/right/center even if slightly wrong or interpreted wrong yet nobody ever wants to fight them properly.

[–]Bntt890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ya I don’t feel it’s very difficult, we need to be more aggressive against these ideologies.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

The point of this sub is to debate what advice is more sound or at least why x advice is wrong. So if one comes to the conclusion if x advice is wrong, they're going to start looking for answers.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.12 points13 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

No it isn’t. Yes you can debate that but it’s still a debate sub - not a “help unsuccessful men” sub. In any way

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

In a certain level is is, whether you like it to or not.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.13 points14 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

No, it isn’t. It was literally never intended to be, never set up that way, and does not operate like that despite some men thinking it should. “On a certain level” is meaningless. People can take information here and incorporate it into their lives if they wish but no that’s never been the purpose of this sub. Ever.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The crux of RP is "how to get girls". BP or anti-RP responds with "that's not how you get girls" or "the way you get girls is bad". That's it. No matter how much you desperately try to spin it or dress it up as different. That's all this debate has ever been.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

None of that is relevant to whether the purpose of this sub is to provide unsuccessful men with advice. it clearly isn't and I don't know why you keep arguing with me about that. You can keep snarkily arguing with me if you wish, but it won't change this fact.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Your snide comments aren't changing the fact that this debate sub is a debate over advice.

[–]BirdManBrrrr9 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

If both RP and BP methods aren't helping these guys

How many of these idiots actually went and gave a solid effort at any method at all, over time, with even cursory focus and determination?

Plenty of people have tried to give advice and the constant refrain is some iteration of "doesn't apply to me i'm ugly reeeeee". That, and the defeatist tropes like "but if I approach a girl i'll be accused of rape!" where the they can't possibly fathom proactivity on their own part. Even IRL dealing with these types is the exact same. Trying to tell someone to be more assertive or not be a fatass is met with resistance and a dismissal that they can't possibly do anything differently, only to devolve into screeching about how life is unfair and they've given up.

Can't give advice to someone who won't even consider it as having merit because they're a special snowflake that needs something different, specific to their specialness; it's a complete waste of time.

[–]planejaneRemove head from sphincter, THEN type.14 points15 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

  • I'm short.
  • I'm South Asian.
  • I'm a shut in.
  • I'm ugly.
  • Girls are terrifying.
  • I'm going to go to jail for harassment.
  • They're all cheating sluts for Chad anyways

Rinse, repeat.

[–]BirdManBrrrr4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's over before it even starts.

[–]TrueReligionGenesLooxist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's over

[–]doctor_awfulChad ThunderDoc1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't forget the most hilarious and depressing one - arguing about not having enough inches of bone in their mandible. Ah, woe is me, my skull circumference has come below the chad's, hand me free poon for I am oppressed.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"My jaw is too small and that's why women don't like me, totally nothing to do with my personality."

[–]AnAmericanTrollinWA0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can see why short people would be bitter. They were delt a shit hand

[–]DaphneDK42King of LBFMs0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Incels should go to the Philippines and get themselves a mail order bride. But that'd require moving out of their basement comfort zone and they also only want a deep and meaningful relationship with 17yo blonde cheerleaders.

[–]reluctantly_red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Incels should go to the Philippines and get themselves a mail order bride.

Why would you think Filipino women would have them?

[–]RoninCDN8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Blackpill is RP when:

1.RPs fail to get laid 2.RP ideology is taken to its logical conclusio

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Did you miss the incessant femcel posts? Lately there have been far more femcel posts than black pill posts.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah there have been a lot of those lately. They need to get the axe as well.

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They probably won't, as the red mods are pretty chill, while the blue mods are pretty much Nazis.

[–]TheReformist944 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

The incel blackpill stuff is the truth so will continue to resurface everyday until the women on this sub stop denying the Pareto print.

We aren't asking to hand out sex to lower SMV men. Just to accept there is a massive sexual inequality and that this will cause consequences.

Women have no idea what it's like to get rejected by every woman you say hi to and get no sex or even touch for a year.

[–]doctor_awfulChad ThunderDoc3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Women have no idea what it's like to get rejected by every woman you say hi to and get no sex or even touch for a year.

You're aware that ugly women exist too, right? And that they probably attempt interacting with the opposite gender as much as you, so they get the same amount of sex.

[–]Daffan2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You're aware that ugly women exist too, right? And that they probably attempt interacting with the opposite gender as much as you, so they get the same amount of sex.

Cant tell if serious. You actually think women pump and dump like men? If no, then how would men ever get the same amount, if any?

[–]doctor_awfulChad ThunderDoc2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Some do pump and dump (I know quite a few) but it's obviously not common enough to be considered in the grand scheme of things.

I didn't mean the same amount in general. A decent looking woman that wants to have sex will get it much easier than a man of equivalent attractiveness, no question. Just that your quote:

Women have no idea what it's like to get rejected by every woman you say hi to and get no sex or even touch for a year.

Isn't really...realistic. Plenty of women know that. Below a certain threshold men won't even look at you, much less consider you as a potential partner even if you try. And since you're a woman and you've been raised to think you shouldn't be the one approaching, you just don't. Similar to how incels think they're all doomed, so they don't even try. And both end up sexless, even in cases where they're not that bad looking.

Not like it's as big of an issue as it is with dudes since they don't have as much testosterone in their veins, but still.

[–]Daffan1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Not sexless, no way. Partner less yes - but that's a different topic (and again, one both ugly sides face)

Women don't need to approach in the 21st century at all, even 2/10's. Juggernaut Law is fucking real too.

[–]doctor_awfulChad ThunderDoc0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes sexless for sure. I have quite a few female friends who are still virgins into their mid-20s, some of them not even bad looking. It just happens that they'd like sex with a loving partner for their first, but they're not sloots and aren't desperate enough to just take anyone that shows up.

Maybe it's just a cultural difference, I'm in Portugal.

Hell, my own girlfriend hadn't had sex in over a year before we met, and she's hot as fuck. She just hadn't dated anyone in that time period and doesn't have sex outside of relationships.

[–]Daffan1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Well that's a little different, they wouldn't be femcels then. If their waiting for the right partner and not trying to have sex with anybody that's volcel or whatever.

[–]doctor_awfulChad ThunderDoc0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That just means she has higher standards than the average "incel". She wanted a guy like me and wouldn't take anything less, incels won't go after a fatty 3/10.

I can assure you most "incels" would get laid, even without changing much about themselves, if they just lowered their standards enough. I saw the threads where they'd post pictures of each other and bash each other, most of them weren't even under 4/10. I'm in a Comp Engineering course full of awkward spergy nerds. Half of the ones that are in relationships were uglier than most people in those threads.

[–]Daffan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

incels won't go after a fatty 3/10.

IDK. People love BBW, especially one that can feed them that's like a 2 for 1.

[–]TheReformist94-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you stupid? Do you know about the Pareto principle? It means a male 7 is as repulsive as a female 2.

[–]doctor_awfulChad ThunderDoc1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

...that's absolutely not what the Pareto principle means. All it means is that the top 20% of men get the pick of the top 80% of women. But it means nothing more than that.

Except apparently for weak incels that try to twist every concept into them being the poor victims of an oppressive gynocentric society.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"debate incels vs humans"

FTFY

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Idealogical extremism is on the rise everywhere. Thats one of the negative effects of social media, it makes it much easier to hate... anonymity + echo chambers + viral, often inaccurate outrage bait + witnessing the worst of the “other side” = angry populace.

Alt right nationalism is on the rise and so is the radical identitarian left. As bizarre as it sounds TRP is almost centrist on women. Incel idealogy is several orders of magnitude to the right. That means its bound to suck the energy out of TRP the same way far right nationalism is doing to conservatism. Theres no room anymore for moderates in our society.

[–]diffdedbedGreen Eyed Devil9 points10 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

I'd argue the rise of the far right is in response to the far left as the far left keeps moving the left goalposts ever deeper into crazy town. Alt-right is a response. When free speech is an alt-right issue, you know you have a problem.

[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I concur. I am hard left, but I'm not on board with the snowflake left's worldview. I don't believe in private ownership of real estate, but I oppose identity politics at every turn. The ctrl-left's usurpation of all things socialist is an abomination.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I don’t know, sure seems to me there were plenty of issues that weren’t really all that crazy from the liberal side when you could see the political divide starting to heat up. Like look at gay marriage for an example.

[–]max_peenorCertified TRP Shitlord0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

gay marriage

There is no such thing as gay marriage. Marriage is a forced mating pair for the benefit of society. That's it. Back when we were hiding in caves, no one gave a shit where they put their peckers nor did they force anyone to only ever touch one pecker again.

However....

Now that have completely fucked up marriage, I say let the gays have it. At least the weddings will be fun to watch. Instead of "gay" marriage we should call it "fun" marriage.

[–]organicfluxx0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

[–]max_peenorCertified TRP Shitlord0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Where do you get the Euros to buy gay presents?

Lost.

[–]organicfluxx0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ur confused about that bit?

[–]max_peenorCertified TRP Shitlord0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, that's where I started laughing. YLYL

[–]organicfluxx0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol

[–]Bntt891 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Can you explain to me what far-left is and how comparable they are?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]Bntt890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ya I guess if you read twitter all day you’ll think this.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

People that are in favor of stuff like this.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, and you could make exactly the same argument from the other side and say that BLM, antifa, SJWs and increasingly partisan media are a response to white nationalist terror, Trump, internet misogynists and the alt right. Extremism on one side breeds extremism on the other until a crisis point is reached and either the government cracks down hard or a civil war begins.

[–]The3liGator2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What makes the blackpill on the right? Incels are quick to point out racism, and support left wing economic reform.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Incels are quick to point out racism,

Sure, but only in order to join in the fun. There are way more “race realist” incels than anti racist ones.

and support left wing economic reform.

I guess you got me there. Incels do seek to go on welfare and disability a lot. I think the support stems more from spite and wanting to leech off the system or watch it all burn, then from a genuine belief in the validity of left wing economic policy though

[–]The3liGator2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I've never seen anything close to "race realism" close to the front page. The only thing that might be talking that way is when they talk about how minorities are seen as less attractive.

Do their "real" motives matter if that's what they support anyway? If they vote left, isn't that enough?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Honestly, not really. That's like saying TRP is pro-feminist because they're trying to capitalize on sexual liberation as much as possible. There's a big gap between supporting a policy to the hilt, because you support the entire idealogical and philosophical framework that constitutes the base of that policy, and just selfishly trying to exploit loopholes in the system. It's often a very practical difference because the latter group are merely "fairweather friends" who will stop supporting your policy the instant something else shifts and makes it no longer advantageous to them.

[–]The3liGator0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP is pro-feminist because they're trying to capitalize on sexual liberation as much as possible.

Isn't it though. If feminists truly believed in their movement, wouldn't they be supporting TRP?

support the entire idealogical and philosophical framework that constitutes the base of that policy

That is true. Though, I would argue that feminists do not support feminism either as they only support it in the parts that promote female privilege.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

radical identitarian left

Oooh first time I've seen that. Nice to have a label for the left wing crazies.

No room for moderates statement rings true to me as well, I take from all sides and believe in many things. I can't draw a hard line with one party they all have shit points to them, just like any group.

The echo chamber has to be the worst part of society, not just right now, but as long as it has been around, people are struggling to find valid and true information that isn't tinted anymore, maybe it's better now because of volume but too much volume will destroy sensation.

[–]Zippo-Cat31 points32 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

what do you think

PPD stopped being a "debate sub" long ago, if it ever actually was one. Most regular posters here know each other down to some rather personal details(which comes with the subject matter of PPD I guess) Said regular posters treat this sub as some kind of personal "coffee shop" where only approved guests are welcome. You sit in your puffy chairs smoking cigars and/or drinking whatever retarded hipster drink you drink and pretend to "discuss" sex and gender issues, but in reality you just barf your opinions on one another without any evidence to back them up, but you're happy with that arrangement because it means you don't have to put in any effort and aren't at risk of actually having your views challenged.

Then the filthy incels came and - the faux pas! - actually started posting links to some data, some studies that made you all very uncomfortable because of the cognitive dissonance. So you did the only reasonable thing a debate sub could do, and outright banned "incel content"(I still have no idea what qualifies as incel content - but vague rules are best rules since you can just ban anyone for whatever when necessary) Hovewer it wasn't enough, the damage was already done and some non-incels picked up on the studies/data and keep ruining the atmosphere of your hipster coffee shop, filthy rabble getting blackpill all over the wood floor.

And so, judging by this thread, you're gearing up to ban them too. Upgrading the "We Don't Serve Incels" sign on the door to an outright "Approved Member List".

HONK HONK!

[Edit] Yikerino strangerino, thanks for the silverino!

[–]Ultramegasaurus12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Clown world

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That was brutal lmao

Im not an incel (unless marriedcel counts) but im always amused by the intensely angry hypercritical lens through which they view literally everything. And which usually contains an uncomfortable grain of truth

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

HONK HONK!

🤡

[–]FairRating 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lmao there's a sub ITT implying incels aren't even human. Very appropriate for a debate sub where people should try to be open-minded.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Incels call themselves subhuman tho, lmao.

[–]planejaneRemove head from sphincter, THEN type.12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I think you're mistaking providing data with providing conclusions about the data.

Several folks looking at the same data set will draw different conclusions about it because often they don't tell us WHY these things are the way they are, just that this is how it exists. Black pills tend to often jump to the most extreme negative conclusions possible.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Also, is he seriously trying to imply only incels ever link data?

[–]planejaneRemove head from sphincter, THEN type.2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right???

[–]decoy88Black Male in London0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

They link data?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well by "data" they mean the same Okc study 5048386 times.

[–]throwinoutex-Red Pill, now Purple Man8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well said. This sub probably has the highest amount of pretentious people per capita on reddit.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah you can’t be cliquish and then get mad when people stop caring about how cool you think you’re clique is.

Don’t get me wrong, incels get on my nerves too. But if you want better content, step up and produce it.

[–]Ascimatorsmirks audibly11 points12 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

The care bear completely blind "BP" that Reds love to use as strawmen was always a minority here. Most blue and purple flairs never denied that lifting and being fun helps with women - what they disagreed with RP on is that "lifting is be-all and end-all of good looks" and "being an overcompensating prick is the same thing as being fun".

[–]throwawayhouseissue1I talk to strangers1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My main beef with TRP is the idea that women are incapable of the type of love men want and crave and that women will always ultimately be disloyal because AWALT.

I would argue that a relationship is a two-way street that requires effort on both sides and the man has to provide more than just a steady paycheck to keep his woman happy.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The care bear completely blind "BP" that Reds love to use as strawmen was always a minority here.

For emphasis

[–]concacanca2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Im not even sure how much I'd agree with that tbh

[–]diffdedbedGreen Eyed Devil2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

A blind BP would be all "Yikes!" about this toxic sub and probably be spamming the admins to have it banned.

[–]Texastentialism 1 points [recovered]  (11 children) | Copy Link

Yeah this is the thing. A really truly BP person shows up occasionally and they're inevitably so shocked/repulsed by the rhetoric here that they leave. The blue pillers who stick around are really more purple.

[–]yvaN_ehT_nioJI'm just here for the spicy bantz1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Now that you mention it, I see a lot more of the reds, purples, and greys than the blues.

Doesn't help it's a pill sub. I'm kinda surprised there aren't less BPers, to be honest. Another factor could simply be the age of the place. The topics have all been hashed to death and it's people going over the same stuff, more or less and perhaps a lot of blue pilled people here at the outset simply lost interest. It's always the same few regulars posting in the threads and that makes me think that while active, there aren't too many unique users.

Or it could be the BPers mainly lurk. I forget where I read it but I remember seeing somewhere that the majority of reddit users don't even post. I'd love to see the user metrics for the place.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Are SJWs that common in the West?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Only at universities.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's bad universtities participate in propaganda.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It is, but academia has always been the birthplace of leftist propaganda.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not all kind of leftist. I am far left (somewhat an anarchist) and SJW narrative is the thing I hate.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's a bit ridiculous to claim that just being able to handle a conversation excludes you from BP.

[–]Texastentialism 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not saying that. You've got the cause and effect mixed up.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can reverse it but it's still ridiculous. Your definition of BP is a strawman.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Idk about this sub, I don't think that the Blacks are a majority but the arguments obviously stand out so maybe selective perception. Then again, when BlackPill arguments are brought forth in a reasonable manner I usually agree so maybe it's just me.

On the other hand, the question about whether BlackPill is BP or RP seems obvious to me. BlackPill is almost the same as RP only from a different perspective - the perspective of someone for whom RP isn't working,

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

BlackPill arguments are brought forth in a reasonable manner I usually agree so maybe it's just me.

Sceptic/Recovering Incel

hmmm

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They usually aren't :P

[–]gnat6 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

People donft realise how much of RP has become mainstream. To the extent some "common sense" things today were isolated Red Pill ideas five years ago.

Red Pill means being exposed to ideas that are difficult to accept. If they have become commonly accepted they're no longer strictly RP.

Plus we've moved onto the "Open Hypergamy" society. Women are doing so well edicationally and economically the beta bux model of relationships is dying. Women do not want a provider so feel no need to hide their uninterest in beta men. No-one is telling young men to get a solid career and other traditional beta advice. Its out in the open what what women want and its not beta's so blue pill is evolving to include that.

[–]TrueReligionGenesLooxist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep spot on, and the logical conclusion, the end of the road so to speak, is the blackpill in my opinion. Some can see it plain as day, others cant. The blackpill is now the idea "difficult to accept" but nonetheless true.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's an instance of a BP using RP to fight incel?

[–]shoup88Report me bitch4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think it’s a combination of incel vs everyone else, and men vs women. It was much more interesting when red pill included women, too. Now the red pill side is so cartoonishly anti-women, all women are on the same side. I can’t remember the last time I had a decent disagreement with a female Red Piller.

I also think the problem stems not just from red pill users here, but TRP as a whole. Their user base just isn’t as educated about their own subject matter as they used to be. When TRP did that AMA, I was shocked at how many ECs openly admitted to not reading the sidebar.

It’s no longer about the theory itself. It’s just broadly team man.

[–]Daffan0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Most women don't want to follow the red pill, isn't that against their hypergamy nature?

[–]shoup88Report me bitch1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We definitely used to have women who understood and agreed with red pill, or who saw personal benefits from it.

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf16 points17 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Btw I think theres a lot of incel "brigade voting" here. Any time some basic ass uninteresting looks is important for men thread is posted it gets like 60 upvotes. these threads are boring blaise babys first bullshit but the incels see confirmation of their worldview and start stroking their edicks

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is a big problem imo. The "incel" comments/posts are usually not so bad or unreasonable that they warrant removal. But the problem is being compounded by bad faith down voters of anything not incel.

[–]oftheinfinite 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't act as though male Red Pill, MGTOW and incel/blackpill comments aren't downvoted in bad faith.

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't act as though male Red Pill, MGTOW and incel/blackpill comments aren't downvoted in bad faith.

Red Pill comments are when they disagree with the incels. Incel comments are not down voted to nearly the same degree.

[–]concacanca4 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Concur. Its a problem but if you remember PPD from 12-18 months ago its really replacing, or just outweighing, the team woman block vote that preceded it.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope-1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

What is team woman block vote?

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

A myth.

[–]oftheinfinite 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy Link

It's not a myth.

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

1) https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/top/ how many of those posts are word salad “hur dur I hate laydees”? 2) but of course all anti-woman updvoted content is just super high quality and def deserving of the team man upvote brigade. Right?

[–]oftheinfinite 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

It's not a myth. But if you want to make the argument that there is a team man block vote, go ahead.

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I gave you evidence. Where’s yours?

[–]oftheinfinite 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

You gave me a link of threads upvoted for discussion as "evidence".

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

And? Tell me why that’s not evidence and provide what you view as worthy evidence for your claim.

[–]thunder_thighs0672 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

derailing every thread into a 'men are trash' rant and upvoting stupid 'men are trash' rants from tumblrinas

[–]Daffan0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah anecdotal bullshit stories we've heard a million times are so much better and will definitely convince people in the 21st century.

This is why PUA crock of shit got nuked as an idea, because Facts > Scamville advice.

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think I found one

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yep lol. Or other incelish rhetoric really

[–]Here4thebeer3232No Pill1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thank God the mods banned some of the more overused incel slang. All the "copes" got old real fast

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m seeing this a lot, too.

(edit: case in point, wtf did this comment warrant a downvote for 😂)

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So how about people who think they’re experts on RP vs BP post more OPs?

If y’all are going to get upset that no ones talking about the topics you want to be discussed but you aren’t offering that up, expect others to come in and fill the void. Pretty simple.

Funny, I got downvoted up the ass last week for saying PPD has come to the end of this life cycle.

[–]nemma8831/F/UK INFP -t. Engaged3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

... and RP is no longer ever discussed and no one even seems to know what it is anymore.

Yes, That hypergamy thread (last week?). I understand it was locked because OP was unwilling to have their view challenged in good faith - but it was bombarded with lots of different definitions of hypergamy as top level comments (Idk how your suppose to debate something when the goal posts keep moving) , something I thought PPD had a pretty good grasp of.

have BP actually accepted RP at this point that they don't even know they are saying RP things to counter incel ideology?

There's hardly any BP users and some certainly only post RP views. Like they are just... illflaired.

is incel/blackpill ideology RP or BP or neither?

Neither, only vaguely closer to RP because its a little like perceptually stuck in RP anger phase.

does it belong on THIS subreddit just because it is also about the sex wars? we don't have GC vs QT posts here, because they wouldnt belong here

I don't mind debating these things, - my issue would I don't think many recently are interested in debating as much as pushing their agenda in a emotionally charged manner. You can't debate against someones feelings, it's just a NO U slapfest. People make snide remarks because actual debating skills are beyond them (< See, I can make dismissive statements too! )

It's mildly entertaining tho.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

it's just a NO U slapfest

Basically sums up the sub really.

[–]Eris235Blue Pill Man3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its not just NO U. Sometimes there's arguing about the definition of words.

But yeah, its why I've mostly stopped commenting here.

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

is incel/blackpill ideology RP or BP or neither?

I made the case for it being rp facts but BP "fairness" frame in the past.

https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9r049p/cmv_black_pillers_accept_some_rp_facts_but_have/

I try to keep the ideological antagonism between RP men and BP women up here, but what I'm seeing is that there are few rp men posting here anymore. Incel men and team woman women. The incels alternate between sending me hate pms and agreeing with my comments on female nature, adding their usual crap like "yeah that's why dating isnt worth it it's over boyo". Ok dude.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I made the case for it being rp facts but BP "fairness" frame in the past.

yes, RP plus moralizing

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can't forget their revenge against vagina weeks where there's 98998 threads about "empathy" with the brigade upvoting to high heaven. The last one set a dryness record, I would not be surprised if one of these weeks my vag outpuckers my asshole.

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

But not right wing trad "you're ruining the nation stop it" moralizing. Pussy socialism. Because my feefees hurt :(

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yes well that moralizing should be barred from RP too

[–]CamoWoobie1002 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In my opinion, TRP isnt all that different from incels. They agree on many/most aspects of the framework of the nature of the world, they have just taken different routes on what to do with that information.

For TRP its "The world is shitty, but I have an understanding of how it works, and this is how I'm going to try to overcome it"

For incels it is "the world is shitty, but I have an understanding of how it works, and I know I'm not capable of even competing so there is no use in putting forth any effort".

BP disagrees on many of the aspects of the nature of the world that comes from the TRP framework and, of course, as a result, the route of which you should take.

When you remove the satire and hyperbolic aspect of the blackpill, a lot of what they are saying, as far of nature of the world, is similar or even the same as TRP. The main differences are the tone, delivery and plan of action.

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

incels are a problem because they inherently don't argue in good faith. i mean, most of the bluepillers are terrible at persuasion, but at least they make an effort to argue for whatever side of the argument they're taking.

the incels are just using the debates as an outlet for their whining and retarded ideas. no matter what the debate is supposed to be about, they only ever argue for one particular idea - that that world is unfairly biased against them, there is nothing that they can do about it, and the only logical thing for them to do is feel sorry for themselves and wallow in self-pity. it doesn't matter if it's a debate about AWALT or female hypergamy or evo psych or anything else. they always just try to argue that same dumbass thing over and over.

there is no way to debate them because they do not argue in good faith and aren't really even here to debate ideas anyway. if anyone ever disagrees with their primary (and only) assertion, they will simply try to use that as proof that the world is unfairly biased against them.

I used to have great sympathy for the Incels. But the more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Incel had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day.

Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck. I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying. Gradually I began to hate them.

There is no reason to attempt any further debate with the Incels. No reason to try to show them the error of their ways, no reason to tolerate their beliefs, no reason to try to help them. The Incels have caused enough problems and are a serious threat to the future of this sub. It is time for the true people of PPD to plan a Final Solution to the Incel Question.

[–]Daffan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

most of the bluepillers are terrible at persuasion, but at least they make an effort to argue for whatever side of the argument they're taking.

Anecdotes aren't evidence. If Blackpill is so shit why doesn't someone just strike down their facts in two seconds? Let's blame it on "bad faith actors" as the reason anecdotes aren't working.

Btw did you have fun writing that? Like you were brow beating someone with a magical word play in your head?

[–]DartagnanDemaBecky With The Good Hair0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like your writing style.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely. I've been complaining about this for a while and so have others but the mods refuse to ban "black pill" users which is the required action to repair the issue.

Too often this seriously is just "incels vs. normies" and it's just boring now.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Well, now Blue Pill people that view themselves newly RPed actually are the voice of RP. You know what ideas are now popular in TRP?

"Open relationships are cuckoldry"

"LTR are the life goal"

"If your friends had sex with your ex (after the break) they are vultures"

These ideas are tradcon as fuck and tradcon-ship is not RP.

I would not say all these ideas are entirely wrong, but it's clear whether open relationships are cuckoldry depends on what is actually happening in relationships. It's clear that LTR might be someone's goal, but it's not the goal RP tells people to accept. It's clear that if "friends" actually befriended you in order to get your GF they are vultures, but this is a super-rare case. IRL it's more like guys just use the unexpected opportunities.

So, since there is no more RP, there only one side remains: Black Pill.

[–]RickWilsonsBuck 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Open relationships are not normal

[–]rus9384Misanthrope-3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What's abnormal with them? That they are rare?

[–]blackkindergods3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There’s no such thing as loyalty in them, why have a main at all? Fuck that

[–]rus9384Misanthrope0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can hold whatever views you want, but they are not RP. Neither BP.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Tradcon BP FTW.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, tradcon is blue pill. You know, there are multiple blue pills.

[–]TheRedPike1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I can't ban everyone.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, I believe one can't become red pilled if he has no potential for it. It's like trying to teach idiots to be geniuses! There are people who have the potential to be geniuses but who aren't yet. Same it is with red pill.

I discovered many RP truths myself, actually, my New Year rant to a girl, who disrespectfully lied and ignored me, contained Prize and Abundance mentality and made it clear she has not much time to enjoy "successful" guys (the Wall, the CC and AF/BB). A month later I found TRP sub.

The problem is, now TRP is overcrowded by those who have no potential.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good point, its not just that black pill is more extreme than TRP to begin with but that its existence draws more virulent anti woman types to the black pill instead of TRP, resulting in a watered down TRP.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

On the plus side, it seems the RP/BP have come together in their dislike of the Black Pill. On the downside there isn’t much discussion

[–]Daffan0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is natural and doesn't say much though. Nobody wants to accept defeat (end of the line, no hope). Black Pill is structured like that, it doesn't convert people -- it accepts them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I guess. I go back and forth about it, and tbh I think some aspects are true, and others aren’t and just plain silly sometimes.

[–]Daffan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because as every group there is like 1-2% of Incels that control the narrative and that's what is spread like wildfire "Roastie" and all this other stuff, basically making the group into a generic slur like Nazi etc.

[–]N0blesse0blige1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men (who are powerless) will always find new ways suck up to women somehow. The latest trend is red knighting, where these new red knights protect m’ladies from the incel horde and other who men who "were never meant for red pill self-improvement" ... what a joke – any one can self-improve – the worse the starting point the higher the relative potential.

I’m unsure what black pill even means. Partly it could be understood as the collectivist, systemic counterpart to individualist red pill. In that sense it would be fully complementary with red pill. Kind of like how women do make-up, exhange relationship advice and advocate for women’s interests politically. They don’t choose one excluding the other like absolute morons.

You seem to group black pill together with "incel ideology". Being incel, as far I understand, is a state of being involuntarily sexless (celibate), frequently as a virgin. As an ideology, then, it inadvertently becomes a branding of its adherents. Like "loser ideology". But you already knew that. Anyway, who wants to be labeled like that apart from already actively self-identifying incels?

[–]The3liGator1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That may be the case because ine strong unifier of the black and red pills is that you can't trust women

[–]CombatStaceyBlue ovaries1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most of red pillers were and are anger phasers/black pill/annoying.

Can't keep debating the same old tired slodge forever. It's juvenile stuff. Fun to debate for a while but ultimately pointless.

The only rp stuff that is any good is stuff that was already accepted by the mainstream, so it's not specific to rp. Anything specific to rp is very, very silly stuff.

[–]Sad_Virgin_Beta_Male1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't even know what this sub was all about. Thanks.

[–]_Anarchon_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I loathe blackpills/incels. They are the antithesis of what a man should be, and are all embarrassments to the gender. They are lazy whiners that accept no responsibility for themselves. They will never accept that their not being able to get laid is completely because of their shitty attitudes. Ugly guys get laid all the time, and it's because they got off their asses and bettered themselves.

[–]TheJim66Red God-Emperor of Slut Country3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I think it's okay.Black pill/incel shit is similar in many ways to RP ,it's just that their conclusion is shitty and they have a defeatist attitude.I don't think they are completely irrelevant ,it's still sex wars.However people should be more aware that they are distinct ideologies.

About blues.I think they do know that the RP ideas work but they either don't want to admit it or they disagree with the wording.

Honestly I think the main problem with the sub is there are too few red pill people or even red leaning purples (at least active ones).It makes debates less balanced imo.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew[S] 3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Black pill/incel shit is similar in many ways to RP

is it? it seems like the opposite of RP except for the negative view of women. black pill is fatalistic and RP is opportunistic

theres way more reds here than blues, thats my point. the MASSIVE new overpresence of black pill is making everyone look purple pill in response to black pill being so over the top

redpillers AND bluepillers are arguing against blakc pill and LOTS of peopel on all sides thing the black pill IS the red pill and that anyone arguing agains the black pill is blue pill

[–]TheJim66Red God-Emperor of Slut Country0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I mean similar in some of the points(looks are important for example),like I said the conclusion they come to is indeed against what Trp supports.Its too fatalistic like you said.

theres way more reds here than blues, thats my point. the MASSIVE new overpresence of black pill is making everyone look purple pill in response to black pill being so over the top

Most reds here aren't classic trp reds ,they are mostly mgtows or blackpillers who say they are red.It really doesn't seem to me there are more red than blues .At least from what I see in the various threads ,I don't have the stats so I could be wrong.

Are there really too many black pillers here?Maybe it's because of the recent sexlessness study threads that it seems that way to you.The topic by it's nature can make red views appear black I think.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

ive been here for 4-5 years, ive seen the shift from red to black. its not just "recent" posts

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Stats routinely show there are more reds here than blues but maybe it’s more purples now than either the red or blue camp. We have like annual or biannual questionnaires that the mods put up to collect data on the demographics on PPD. Obviously they will depend on who all participates

[–]TheJim66Red God-Emperor of Slut Country0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I meant more blues that are regular posters.Im sure there are more red lurkers.However it might be that I am biased since more blues reply to me.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think there are more reds all around but again maybe purples are becoming the majority at this point

[–]chaddad90000 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lookism/LMS was the original red pill. TRP is what you get when you merge that with inner game stuff and Rollo's doom-n-gloom. Kinda two peas in a pod.

[–]TheJim66Red God-Emperor of Slut Country0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Dunno historically how it went but the theory is very different.Lookism says that the only way women will be sexually attracted to you is if you are hot.TRP says there also other things you can do to sexually attract women(status ,frame,game etc).They do have some similarities but they aren't the same.Also I think that trp came mostly from PUA not lookism ,could be wrong though.

[–]chaddad90000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its all kinda post-PUA backlash, but incels (modern version) and "just lift bro" came from pretty much the same corner of the manosphere.

[–]coratoad1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There were always RPillers saying incel-like stuff for as long as I can remember. They just weren't characterized as incels before. Think of the infamous OKCupid study. RPillers were arguing that women only wanted the top 20% of men based on looks because of the attractiveness rating distribution.

[–]PennnyLameMY VAGINA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION!! ✊🏼2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah. I think in years past we called them “anger phasers” now it’s “black pill.”

[–]coratoad1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. And the anger phasers always dominated the RP side of the discussion. Nothing has changed.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Red Pill in theory is always going to be correct, it's simply applying the scientific method to our observations of sex and dating rather than moralizing.

At some point then, BP types have to accept it. Yesterday's radical conclusions become today's accepted truths. We don't get into heated arguments about the Earth being round, after all.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean I agree with some classic RP bits but these days RP is anything great and the rest is BP crap. Does this idea work? Yes! It's RP! Does this stink? It's BP/not RP.

So sad

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Right, that's because it's supposed to be a tautology: a statement that is true by necessity or by virtue of its logical form. Red Pill was supposed to accurately percieve the realities of dating and women's sexual psychology. That knowledge would then be leveraged to succeed in practice.

How that played out was different, RP wasn't much more than an amalgamation of dogma pushed by self-promoters with an axe to grind. There certainly wasn't much concern about accuracy. But eventually the embarrassingly wrong shit gets shelved, the undeniable stuff gets accepted, and then we pretend we never could have possibly gotten it wrong.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah for sure I wanna buy you a beer for that one (fuck reddit and reddit gold)

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

😂😂😂😂😂😂

I can't tell if your serious or not.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's the "in theory" part 😅

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

it's simply applying the scientific method to our observations of sex and dating rather than moralizing

And this.

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There is no “science” going on with The Red Pill in any meaningful way, in fact most of the statements that are made are unable to be tested.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I never said they were good scientists 😁

[–]max_peenorCertified TRP Shitlord1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually, it's very testable. Am I getting fucked now? Am I getting fucked more?

Engineering is the application of knowledge to optimize an outcome. We do that pretty well.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's flat

[–]shipiaoziGynocentrism patriarchy is great0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Science is not always correct.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It’s not even science lol

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I actually do not even believe science is concerned with being correct, it is concerned with practicality.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

More concerned with accuracy and reproducibility I'd think.

Taking photos of black holes is not exactly practical right?

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You mean red pill?

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, science in general.

[–]catemlBlue Pill Woman-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

it's simply applying the scientific method to our observations of sex

Somewhere, somehow through space-time, Aristotle is crying at this comment and wondering why he fucking bothered.

[–]Sksjdbdbdjjfn 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, at your low effort comment and clear disinterest in discussion for it's own sake.

Untwist your panties you boring old granny

[–]LittleknownfactsAutomod is my husband[M] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Be civil.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I promise 😙

[–]doctor_awfulChad ThunderDoc1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely. This sub has felt like a fever dream ever since that "27% of adult men under 30 are virgins" stat came about.

[–]Daffan0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why aren't BPers doing more to convert them?

[–]doctor_awfulChad ThunderDoc1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

BP is a catch-all term for "not-RedPilled". So I dunno, there's plenty of reasons why they might not. But fundamentally, incels are people who consumed RP theory and perverted it to be a doomsday prophecy, so I doubt BPers can bring them back any more than RPers can.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

it's been terrible since the incels sub got banned

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the only place incels can come and congregate with humans.

[–]Maybelowsmvman-repellant1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I think the blowup of that sexless stats thingy ended up bringing incel ideas to the limelight, probably in the 'oh shit men are struggling collectively' way which legitimised (or brought acknowledgement) to how hard they find the dating world. Incels seem to think that RP ideas or dating tactics are a 'meme' though, and I think they're similar to BP in that regard (like disagreeing with how to maneuver in the dating scene). But the two differ too, in regard to how important they think looks are. In my biased opinion (as someone who dislikes men from RP subreddit), I'd like to say that incels and RP men are similar in their mistreatment of women and how they normalise spreading a negative stereotype of women

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'd like to say that incels and RP men are similar in their mistreatment of women

how can blackpills mistreat women if they don't get a chance to do so in the first place?

[–]Ultramegasaurus9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Them mean internet comments

[–]Maybelowsmvman-repellant0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

there's some sensitive people in this world you know!!

[–]Ascimatorsmirks audibly5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Irradiate them with small dick energy.

[–]Maybelowsmvman-repellant1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

not in a pump and dump way but more verbally. Most incels seem like they're cooped indoors or lack a social life, so they'd try their best to spam in groups on social media (which doesn't really matter much generally, but some low-self esteem women could get very hurt over it). But there's a few who claim to be horrible to women irl. (There's also a few non-virginal men who still claim the incel label, but I don't know much about those)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

blowup of that sexless stats thingy

incel lurkers are the ones who upvoted it to the top

[–]Maybelowsmvman-repellant2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

probably yeah, though I did see it on twitter too

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Is "black pill incel" even an ideology? It just looks to me like "woe is me, I can't get laid, and that's everyone else's fault and evil women's fault and society's fault". Looks to me like a bunch of men and a few women complaining. At the end of the day it's about people taking responsibility.

And some men just won't get anything. It's always been like that.

[–]Daffan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"some" seems to be an ever increasing number.

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[–]passepar2t4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

How is it possible for there to be incels when all y'all make over six figures?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

When your neurotic UMC wife wont let you fuck her.

even homeless dudes get more play judging from some of the talk at this sub. Money is a mistake, take the hobo pill.

[–]passepar2t0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, you can get away with being a hobo in your twenties, old sport, but not so when you approach thirty-five. Somehow it stops being cute to struggle to pay your bills, after everyone's already dead inside and focused on what really matters, i.e. social rank.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This man here speaks wisdom.

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty sure most of the incels are in mummy's basement

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We need to make a different debate sub. "People who FUCK and people who don't fuck".

[–]chaddad90004 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of Beta Pill posting too -- She must have fucked Chad on the first date, but not me, waaaah.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

since changing my flair to "petition to ban incel commenters" i have someone/ people immediately downvoting my posts and comments.

so i would say yes. ppd is less red vs blue and more everyone against annoying incels.

this shows in what kinds of posts (complaiing about women) gets the most upvotes and comments (hence visibility)

atleast there is /r/ BOTS

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Battle of the Sexes had more involuntary celibacy content.

[–]wingbarkplacid not flaccid when im kissin’ on a bitch0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it seems that way. People seem to generally be on board with RP stuff and it’s the incel or black pill stuff that gets people arguing

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

one is ever actually argfuing for or against RP ideas anymore but actually arguing against incel ideas

quite often ideas people dont like get smeared as incel ideas, like some kind of I win button. Its way overused.

I've seen this happen with ideas that are basically a conclusion reached using RP as a starting point. the basis gets ignored

it feels like attacking incel-ish things is popular because punching down makes people feel good, so branding an idea you dont like as an incel idea is a win win.

No need to make an actual argument, the mob will swarm, and the person gets to feel smug about it.

A good part of the issue is people now communicate in twitter length messages, a lot gets lost, and no one ever asks for clarification, they just jump to the conclusions they need to.

I mean why try to understand someone better when you have already labeled them as human garbage right? Just strawman, tar and feather and move on.

[–]The-Wizard-of-Oz-0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What is black pill?

[–]wtffellificationWe all love women0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Blackpill is just the red pill that has failed to apply the theory in its favour for some reason. You people seem to be more triggered than annoyed by the number and relentlessness of these posts

[–]Daffan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because Black Pill is a real constant how do you ever beat that, that's way more fun to talk about.

Red Pill you could theoretically challenge, specifically regarding their psychological DT babble but debating Black Pill is like, "Ok I'm gonna debate you but my only arguments involve pure anti-science bullshit". It's a forever-battle until people actually use evidence instead of anecdotes.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

To me it sounds more like the majority of purples are turned against the 3 or 4 extrema. Femcels do feel the same as extreme BP.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why is this sub obsessed with incels?

You claim you hate them. Yet they're all you fuckin talk about lol lol

It's embarrassing. Get a life. Hop off the computer. Do something.

[–]CatchPhrazeRed is For Rudolph0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A gender politics sub that talks about a radical gender political group? You don't say.

[–]FereallyRedglowing at 800 Celsius0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Real redpill guys have been systematically eliminated from this webspace because the truth is too difficult to bear.

So what remains is a logarithmically receding population of real redpillers because beating your head against a wall turns out to be not so much fun as a long term activity. "Don't engage miserable cunts" is a maxim for a reason.

This results in only faggots barely associated with RP becoming the flag bearers.

No challenge because there is mindless opposition.

Which is why PPD remains a circlejerk.

[–]AnAmericanTrollinWA0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

People, even blue pill feminists, have accepted red pill as truth and everyone knows black pill is bullshit

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

it's a bit unfair that only bp and rp can have repernstation

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think Red Pill users agree descriptively with Black Pill users, but they differ normatively and that is why their presence seems to grow and it is difficult to tell them apart.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's the whole idea behind black pill. It doesn't belong anywhere and is unwanted.

[–]CainPrice0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

It's a venn diagram sort of thing.

The red pill is the intersection of two ideas: 1) do this manly shit to attract women; 2) be aware of what women are really like so you don't fuck it up.

The blue pill is just #1. Due to the lack of #2 in their circle of the venn diagram, they also only like #1 when expressed in friendly language with lots of qualifying adjectives that assure us that women only like guys who do #1 out of genuine authentic-ness and passion due to their magical female telepathy.

The black pill is just #2. They are too shitty to try #1 and just want to complain about #2, so they use the edgiest and meanest language they can find and color the facts with a bunch of silly moral judgments.

[–]Daffan0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Accept the fact that 5'0 people can't be in category 1 (Without arguing money as goalposts shift), therefore the diagram collapses and so does your narrative. https://imgur.com/9h20zVA

[–]CainPrice0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Everybody who swears "I'm short/ugly-faced/minority so it's hopeless for me" never seems to be a buff, rich social dynamo with an expansive social network and an interesting life full of adventures.

It always seems to be a dumpy loser using some excuse to not even bother trying, boldly proclaiming that it won't matter because women only fuck "Chad".

That incel bullshit is not only untrue. It's annoying. So annoying that even The Red Pill turns its back on losers like that.

[–]Daffan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because height is such a detrimental factor to everything in your life you have to work 1000x harder if it's that severe, I did say 5'0 not 5'5.

[–]eyewant😋 grape suppository0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

excellent roundup

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Since most of the people here are from the blackpill community, most of the posts are from blackpilled/incel people. Just by looking at how they're upvoted, it's obvious that those people get the most likes, which shows that they agree with the incel ideology.

So much so, I pretty much make a post and I have lots of triggered incels. They downright hate women and think they deserve and are entitled to sex.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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