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[–]TRP_HoplitePurple Pill14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I see two issues with your statement. First you don't define what 'ugly' means. Second, although there is nothing wrong with a woman being seductive and picking up random guys, most women don't want that.

Any woman that's not grotesque or seriously obese can rack up a high n count if she makes it clear she's DTF.

Due to the scarcity of low-effort sexual encounters with women, any woman can probably have a very high percentage chance of getting a random single guy to sleep with her, provided her appearance surpasses his boner threshold. That will be different for every guy, but I think it's safe to say that the chances are very low that it would work for that woman that got mauled by the chimpanzee or even Gabourey Sidibe (assuming she wasn't famous).

[–]natantantan 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gabourey Sidibe

I'll save everyone a google. It's Precious lady.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

Isn't this obvious? I've walked up to random men in bars and straight up asked them to fuck me lol.

[–]Anthony1881 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because I wanted them to fuck me lol. Why else?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

If a man tried the same, he would be accused of rape.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

No he wouldn't

[–]PsychologicalLayer1 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

It would be more like sexual harassment.

[–]hoere_des_heerenwhore of the lord 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

"unwanted sexual attention"; sexual harassment is a legal term and a crime and I doubt walking up to a citizen and requesting a deed of a sexual nature qualifies in most jurisdictions.

Incidentally it qualifies where I live for a different far more minor crime; it is actually not legal in a lot of major Dutch cities to walk up to a stranger and make a remark of a sexual nature without a good faith belief that this will be reciprocated and you need only a minor good faith basis; you don't need convincing evidence but the law exists to stop people from trying out completely random strangers with no basis whatsoever; flirty looks exchanged prior is enough to get you off the hook.

[–]Raii-v2The Best Pill is Gold 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Would make an interesting case study

[–]hoere_des_heerenwhore of the lord 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ehh, what case study are you thinking off?

[–]hoere_des_heerenwhore of the lord 11 points12 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Not at all—if a male walked up to random males and asked them to fuck it would be considered strange at best.

[–]rus9384Aromantic but cuddly 0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy Link

at best.

And rape at worst.

[–]belletaco 1 point2 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

no one's accusing men of rape for asking women to fuck them omg take the tinfoil hat off.

[–]hoere_des_heerenwhore of the lord 1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure some are but that's a marginalized fringe movement in the same way some humans believe that the Earth is flat or that Vaccines cause autism.

[–]belletaco 1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

anyone can say anything, but no one could bring you up on charges and no one would even listen to that nonsense.

[–]rus9384Aromantic but cuddly 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Anyway, people can accuse you in harassment.

[–]decoy88Men and Women are similar 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People can accuse anyone of anything at any time. Whether they are taken seriously is another thing.

[–]belletaco -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

so?

[–]rus9384Aromantic but cuddly 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

That's a bad scenario.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

no one could bring you up on charges and no one would even listen to that nonsense.

yes they can, and its very easy to do.

[–]belletaco 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

it's very easy to bring up charges for rape because someone told you they wanted to fuck you?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Definitely sexual harassment charges can be made, and made to stick, too. rape may not stick because you need at least some physical evidence, but her word about is pretty solid, if she tells the story convincingly. Most women can do that, I think, and there is such a stigma about not believing women.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 1993 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

he would if he ddint stop at first "no". next.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

bless this patriot 🏆🇺🇸💅🏻👊🏻 💵

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I never knew fucking people for your own selfish pleasure was patriotic!

[–]HostileErectile 12 points13 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

You mean slutty personality, not charming.

[–]proof_of_vlaze 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, women who are overtly flirty are not what most guys are looking for in a LTR.

[–]darla10 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

flirty and slutty are two different things

[–]proof_of_vlaze 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I agree; however, distinguishing one vs the other is really tricky.

[–]darla10 -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It’s supposed to be. Women want smart men. They can’t afford to reproduce with a simpleton.

[–]proof_of_vlaze 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or maybe it’s because flirty women are often also slutty women?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I find properly slutty charming. Properly slutty is letting their intentions known, something women have a hard time with. Its not "I want your cock in my ass now!" (though there is a time and place for that.)

Looking back in my life, I've missed soooo many damn IOI's and I'm sure I still do.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I meant more like "seductive".

[–]HostileErectile 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. Slutty ;)

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No there are also charming girl game chicks who really know how to make you feel like you’re in charge, just the man for them, both desirable and desired, etc. my ex had this down really well, another girl i was seeing briefly realllllly had it and it hurt my feelings when she ghosted

[–]passepar2t 11 points12 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

What do you mean "getting men?" Because if a seductive uggo sashayed up to me, I'd pump her and then I'd dump her. I don't think that's what she wants. I don't think that counts as "getting man."

Looks are more important in the medium term.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

I have seen ugly women being in real LTRs with hot men too.

[–]passepar2t 19 points20 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I, too, have seen unusual things.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not unusual. I've been all over the country and I see ugly and fat women with husbands and kids, a lot. Seen them snag guys a lot, too. Those women tend to accept that they won't get those 8+ men and settle for less-than-Chads though.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Maybe not flat out ugly, but it's not that hard to get a hot man if you're plain looking but have an attractive personality.

[–]passepar2t 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

"If you're ugly, you need to compensate by being an easy lay." Yes, I agree. Thing is, attractive women don't need to compensate by "being seductive."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

A lot of men will hesitate to approach a beautiful woman who doesn't have an open personality.

[–]HalfysRedditIndependent thinker 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or we'll just have no interest. I don't care how good looking she is if she's not entertaining to talk to then I wouldn't want to spend my time with her.

[–]mrcs84usnFatty Fat Neck Beard -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Eh....Military Spouse in a nutshell.

[–]passepar2t 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

BENNIES

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I only really see this frequently when the woman was hot and then let herself go. It not that it doesn't happen but hot guys are almost always with hot women, while hot women are often with not hot guys.

Hot guys get married to hot woman and a % of them let themselves go, get fat, stop caring etc. What people call the "the wall" is in part aging but mostly lack of effort or caring.

[–]CatchPhrazeMaster Of Memeology 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Chances are that's his type though. Men like to be the chasers when we bring science into it.

Of course most men won't turn down free nsa sex, but that has little value to most women.

[–]Esk1mOz4mb1kFormer Nice Chad 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hot is different from confident.

A "low" self esteem but attractive man will generally go for women way below his "league" (read what his league would be if he was more confident).

Similarly average/ugly men can land hot women due to their high confidence.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

They're hot, sure, but women look for the whole package and those guys are probably missing something.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

$$$$

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

So if in the short and immediate term, looks don’t matter as much, why do men fap and watch porn to beautiful women?

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew 7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Fapping is not fucking a real live woman

[–]rus9384Aromantic but cuddly 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Despite that they prefer to fap rather than fuck ugly women.

[–]Esk1mOz4mb1kFormer Nice Chad 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is that surprising?

It requires less efforts and less sexually stimulating if the woman is ugly / gross enough.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

how does "despite" apply here?

[–]rus9384Aromantic but cuddly 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you meant sex with a woman > fapping on her.

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B. 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Men fap to all kinds of women

[–]rus9384Aromantic but cuddly 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Some do. If I open porn sites, I need to scroll a few pages until I find something satisfying.

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B. 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They rarely keep Amputee Midget Porn on the front page

[–]rus9384Aromantic but cuddly 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, I am not in amputee midgets. Just most girls in porn are not hot.

[–]Anthony1881 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But if that's all that's availible...lol!

[–]Anthony1881 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep

[–]passepar2t 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How is that anything like what I said?

[–]Anthony1881 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It feels good...

[–]flamingoinghomeIs three lizards in trench coat 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because porn, by its very nature, doesn't give you the time or space to get to know someone's personality. It's just fucking.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

XLgirls.com would like to have a word with you.

[–]Zaphodisacoolname 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah no shit. People who are outgoing and make an effort to connect to people end up connecting to more people.

[–]shonenhikada 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is true. Psychologist say that when it comes to personality disorders, men gravitate towards women with histrionic personality disorders.

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

if by "open and seductive personality" means "easy and slutty" and if "getting men" means "get pumped n dumped" then yes you are correct.

in my experience, hot women tend to also have better personalities than the ugly/plain/fat ones. so even if you have a good personality, you're still going to lose.

[–]Willow-girl"Snake" is a verb when you're custodian ... 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think this is true. I've never been more than average-looking, but I fairly often was able to snag the men I desired by being very persuasive, lol. (You'd like to go out on a date with the young lady with a gun to your head, right?)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I knew a woman who was extremely plain looking but was very popular with men because she was seductive.

[–]bluntbutnottoo 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

In other words, she a ho.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No

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[–]TheJim66Red God-Emperor of Slut Country 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well it's true that men usually go not for the hottest girl in the room but the hottest girl they think is likely to want them back.Its both a conscious and sometimes unconscious behaviour.So yeah sending signals that you are DTF and being flirty will definitely help a woman get someone she wants.

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Agree. Looks get you in the door- but that’s all they do.

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ITT: A bunch of men weirdly tense at the thought that they may have found a woman's personality charming at some point in their lives.

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[–]rus9384Aromantic but cuddly 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ugly girl with seductive personality might or might not be more successful than a beautiful shy girl. Anyway:

Ugly girls < beautiful girls.

Shy girls < seductive girls.

As you see, I agree only to a degree. 4/10 girl suggesting sex to guys might be dismissed often and be not more succesful than 9/10 shy girl. At least among 7+/10 guys.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

By getting men, do you mean for sex or LTR?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have seen both tbh, I just think that personality is more important for women than TRPillers are making it out to be.

[–]Sad_Virgin_Beta_Male 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Cope.

[–]-TheGreasyPole-Pissed Off that Reddit Admins killed my old account[M] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No one word cope answers.

You’re lucky we changed the rules last week or this would have been an automatic temp ban.

Cope, not even once.

[–]DXBrigade 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Plain yes. Ugly nope. I even think that being too hot is a disadvantage. Plain girls , especially when sociable are more approachable. Being social is an advantage when it comes to relationship.

[–]rus9384Aromantic but cuddly 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I even think that being too hot is a disadvantage.

Yes, you will constantly get hit by potential orbiters. On the other hand, the most confident girls I saw were very beautiful. This is somewhat understandable: the higher your self-esteem is, the more confident you are. Confidence helps in social interactions.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Only if "getting men" means getting sex from whoever she targets, not necessarily a relationship from the men she wants, though.

Men will set the bar higher for a relationship in my experience, but casual sex with far less attractive girls is common.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Cope. Plain looking women who are open and flirty have an easier time finding a LTR than beautiful women who are passive and seem unapproachable.

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There is no way you can prove that assertion right or wrong, so you're welcome to think whatever you like.

[–]NockerJoePervert Palpatine 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've seen what you're talking sbout and agree. The ugliest women I've ever met are usually in LTR's pretty fast and get hit on frequently because they either look easy to talk to or work with what they have. Every barista cum actress cum model I've ever met is usually either single or having a few first dates and will be hit on 1/10th as much because they never work for it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wish it was like that for us guys too

[–]HumanSockPuppetEqual-Opportunity Oppressor 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It depends on what you mean by "getting men".

Men can be got in two ways, as a sexual partner, and as a relationship partner. Open, solicitous behaviours can improve a woman's sexual prospects, but harm her relationship prospects, depending on some other factors.

[–]WhisperYes, I'm a big meanie. No, I don't care. -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's "getting" a man?

Any woman can catch a dick. The trick is to reach the endzone without fumbling it.

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Wait don't remove it, I'm going to comment.

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