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Here is a general stereotype of the woman they criticize.

Manipulative, selfish, only concerned with short term thinking and not long term thinking and planning. Low in RMV. They pursue partners who are low in RMV but who are attractive or fun, but would make terrible partners. Obsessed with good looks and being validated, need sexual validation to compensate for deep seated feelings of being ignored, not good enough, etc. Eschew long term mating strategies in favor of short term mating strategies.

Wastes the best years of their mating life chasing after fun and pleasure, end up empty handed as they get older, and then get very bitter towards the opposite gender. Claim the reason they never found a good partner is that all men are horrible, but its really because they wasted the best years chasing the wrong ones for the wrong reasons.

That sounds like the average TRP type if you switch the genders out. A lot of TRP types end up on MGTOW as they get older.

There are some good bits of info in TRP. My experiences with women got better after I learned about TRP. So I'm not writing off the entire philosophy.

But its to a large degree an effort to encourage cluster B behaviors and pursue low RMV women to obtain female validation to compensate for deep seated emotional wounds. That part isn't desirable at all and its the same behavior as the women they criticize.

But the other info is fairly useful.


[–]PlzBuffBeamu29 points30 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I absolutely agree. TRP has changed my life for the better in many ways but the PUA shit was never for me. If men are supposed to put their mission first then why the fuck would I waste my money and time gaming pussy.

I think also if you’re faking who you are as man when it comes to LTRs you’re going to attract the same type of woman AWALT. If you’re gaming women behind your woman’s back then WTF do you expect to happen. If you act macho and get a girl but really you’re an insecure bitch on the inside then sooner or later she’ll figure out that you aren’t the person she thought you were. Idk this just makes sense to me.

[–]IncelTearsIsLowIQ12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

true. you can put on a mask all day but you will attract to your life what your subconscious is. you attract people who are on your same wavelength or vibration. it sounds crazy but your reality is all created by your thoughts and really your subconscious.

that’s why some people will never become rich. they don’t have the “correct program” in their subconscious. if you grew up in a rich family, you pick up things that your parents do and will subconsciously do them. when you’re age 0-7 your brain produces theta waves which means, in the simplest explanation possible, you become your environment. that’s why you don’t TELL kids what to do, you just DO it and they copy you.

so if you had a fucked up childhood and you try to fake it with TRP shit you will attract low value women. it’s literally in your subconscious and i would bet 99% of TRP doesn’t know that. you attract what you TRULY ARE. that’s why being Chad who lived a lavish childhood surrounded by positivity with people and girls IS Chad. that’s why they are naturally “alpha”. it’s ingrained in them and that’s why they don’t have to try. it comes “naturally”.

it’s so funny to see average guys thinking they can become an alpha by reading shit on the internet in an echo chamber. like being a dick to people online isn’t fucking alpha. true alphas are created during childhood. if you want to change yourself for real, stop reading TRP and start researching how to reprogram your subconscious mind and put TRP doctrine into your mind. you’re only changing your conscious mind, but if you want to see REAL changes, reprogram your subconscious.

[–]Canileaveyet0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

PUA helped me realize I can approach women. Communication books helped me get a good relationship.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

My question is kind of... so??

Theres a quote about warfare, it goes something like: "Whenever you invent a weapon, in 10 years thats the weapon your opposition will be using." If your opponent is using a strategy and it absolutely shellacks you and hits you right in the fuckin nuts and leaves you an angry miserable wreck on the floor... then the sane thing to do is dust yourself off, compose yourself, pick up that strategy and start using it yourself.

If you cant beat em, join em.

I dont see TRP's adoption of the enemy's tactics as a slur on TRP. Quite the contrary. You'd be a moron not to adopt an effective strategy. Granted, there might be some forms of cooperative strategy where both sides win, and win bigger than they would by viewing the interaction as zero sum.... but maybe we aren't living in those times.

Politics, social media, and even the economy have increasingly become zero sum games. There are winners and losers. And maybe a similar trend is happening in relationshits. Maybe with no cultural institutions like the church or transcendental values or sense of commonly held purpose holding it all together, people become atomized and selfish and everything descends into bickering and squabbling over who gets what.

Consider a prisoners dilemma being played out on a massive scale. In every such system there comes a tipping point where enough other actors are being selfish, that trying to enact a generous or cooperative strategy becomes a fool's errand. And maybe we're at that tipping point. In a world of aggressive drivers, you have to drive aggressive or you will, legit, be stuck in traffic forever. In a world where everyone is haggling, you have to haggle or you will overpay for everything. In a world where everyone in the dating realm (at least of the relevant gender) is being a fucking cunt, maybe your best move is to also be a fucking cunt.

Will it solve anything long term? No. Does it contribute to the decline? Yes. Is it the best individual strategy? Maybe.

[–]Five_DecadesKnows what women want. Knows he doesn't have it[S] 50 points51 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

I dont see TRP's adoption of the enemy's tactics as a slur on TRP. Quite the contrary. You'd be a moron not to adopt an effective strategy

The issue is that TRP claims to be morally superior to the women they deal with when they are the male equivalent of those same women. They laugh at all the bitter single women who wasted their lives chasing Chad, then those same men end up on MGTOW because they wasted their lives chasing sex from damaged women.

Also TRP tactics tend to work on people with cluster B disorders, a deep seated need for validation, short term mating strategies, etc. If thats your goal, fine, but to claim that everyone in all situations is pursuing that strategy is dishonest.

The point is that both TRP men and the women they laugh at are two sides of the same coin. The men aren't superior to the women, they're just the male equivalent of the women they ridicule as dumb and on a terrible road.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The issue is that TRP claims to be morally superior to the women they deal with

I couldnt disagree more heartily, TRP say shit like "sexual strategy is amoral" and explicitly study Dark Triad types like Ted Bundy to learn how to exploit women better.

If anything, TRP are living out this revenge fantasy where they become the 90s slasher film-like monster that rips through the sorority sluts, after they finish bullying and sexually humiliating Billy Beta.

Which is dumb and pathetic for reasons of its own, but yeah, i dont feel most TRP regulars view themselves as bastions of morality. Pragmatism > morality in their view.

The real reason to criticize TRP is the massive amounts of LARPing and men pretending to be "alpha" after achieving mediocre success with, as you pointed out, damaged sluts. The whole system is just not that effective, its run by a bunch of snake oil salesmen, PUA "coaches" and bloggers trying to acquire an audience to monetize. Theres a few decent blokes mixed in who seem to genuinely care for their fellow man, but i doubt those guys are the ones banging dozens of women (if anyone there truly is).

[–]Five_DecadesKnows what women want. Knows he doesn't have it[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Those are all fair points.

The only ones banging dozens of women are the guys with high SMV who chase after validation hungry women.

[–]beachredwhineCongratulations!0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ted bundy was a bizarre losers desperate for validation who was all kinds of fcked in the head because he was a bastard child his mom tried to discard in secret. He was a total failure with women but yes he was incredibly thirsty for their validation.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Plus, his face lol

Most batshit crazy looking expression ive ever seen, and ive seen a few.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Except that he was popular among women?

[–]CainPrice10 points11 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

I woudln't say that The Red Pill is all about being morally superior to women. It's more about expectation management.

If you stop expecting every girl you meet to be good wife material and just enjoy them for sex and companionship, and stop fantasizing about this dream life where you meet the perfect girl and get married and have a happy family for the rest of your days, that gives you a lot more time and emotional energy to focus on other stuff that actually makes you happy. And as a side effect, having other stuff going on besides obsessing over whatever girl you happen to be dating right now makes you more attractive to lots of women.

Once you have a more realistic view of women and sex and relationships, women become a lot less important to you. Especially when you've worked out enough, developed enough of an interesting life, and have enough innate decent looks that you have access to casual sex. At that point, women become kind of interchangeable sources of sex, and some of the cooler, more fun, more interesting ones are okay to hang out with. You stop expecting any one woman to complete you or be this perfect wife and find something real to make of yourself instead.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.18 points19 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

TRP says it amoral when they don’t want men’s behavior judged. Many of them still judge the hell out of and moralize what they believe is women’s behavior.

[–]CainPrice1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

All people judge all other people. I don't think TRP is any exception.

More often, it's the sex-positive liberal crowd that wants to be free from judgment. They think that if they have the legal right to do something, then they also have the right to not be judged for it.

Most Red Pill guys who are judged don't say "You're wrong for judging me". They say, "I don't care."

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

None of that rebuts what I just said

[–]CainPrice0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I guess I pulled a blue pill there when I said that all people judge each other, not just Red Pill people judge women.

The part I was rebutting is that the people who get judged, don't want to be judged, and claim that their behavior is fine because they have a right to do it isn't red pill people. It's slutty women.

Red pill guys get judged, don't care if they're judged, and say "Oh well. That's how the shitty game works. Got laid, don't care."

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Ok but again the point I was making is that the whole “sexual strategy is amoral” rhetoric seems to apply only to men to a bunch of them. A lot of them moralize about women. So bringing it up as a rebuttal to arguing terpers feel or claim to be morally superior to women seems to be a bit off.

[–]CainPrice0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

There's a bit of a TRP schism there.

There's the bitter incels who aren't getting laid and want to feel better about themselves who like to pretend that they didn't want to have casual sex anyway and that the women who are playing the game better than they are have somehow failed at life or "ruined" themselves, and are definitely behaving in a morally disgusting way that totally makes these guys not want to be with them - yep, it's totally their choice not to have casual sex but they totally could if they wanted to and if they didn't find women so morally repugnant.

Then you have the other half who actually fucks, recognizes that the system isn't good or bad or moral in any way - it's just how the game works, and once you're getting laid, the way the game works isn't that repulsive or alarming.

Purple Pill Debate is a lot of the second kind of Red Pill guy being asked to justify the behavior of the first kind of Red Pill guy.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Ok but I mean they do the same thing of other demographics. I don’t disagree with you there are different types but let’s not pretend the moralizing about women doesn’t occur regularly

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The imperfect posters of TRP =\= core redpill ideas

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I don't think being judgemental but not wanting to be judged yourself is limited to TRP

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I never said it was

[–]------__-------------1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Just seems weird you pointed it out specifically about trp when that's a basic part of the human condition

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The context here is terpers... so no it’s not weird. Do you also comment to terpers who speak about the things women do that arguably all people do when the context is about women?

[–]Moldy_GeckoPurple Pill Man1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

morally superior to the women

That's just blatantly false. There is a reason TRP is amoral.

end up on MGTOW

The guys that end up MGTOW are the ones that couldn't grasp TRP.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The guys that end up MGTOW are the ones that couldn't grasp TRP.

Could, but thought the game is not worth the candle.

[–]Moldy_GeckoPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sure, keep telling yourself that.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not MGTOW, LMAO. And I do not share their thought.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP claims to be morally superior to the women they deal with

But they don't. There's individual terps who say crap like this, usually the tradcon ones harp on about their moralfag nonsense, but TRP itself calls sexual strategy amoral. That's the opposite of claiming moral superiority.

[–]tickledpic8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I dont see TRP's adoption of the enemy's tactics

This is the real problem. They make women their enemies. That's what they get then.

[–]the_calibre_cat3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Oh that's fucking horseshit. T.R.P. is a response. Women called men "the enemy" looooooooong before T.R.P. came around, T.R.P. just finally decided to declare war back.

I get that women have faced adversity in the past. I don't get the urgent, pressing desire to take that out upon men who were born in an era where women have complete equality.

[–]tickledpic2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Are you talking about some fringe group of women online? Because I've never met a woman irl who has an attitude of "war against men". If I would hang out in some feminazi circles I probably would, but again - fringe group.

[–]the_calibre_cat1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've met plenty of women in real life who would answer "No! Never!" if you asked them, "Do you have an attitude of war against men?" who, nonetheless, will lay blame for everything bad at the feet of men and the patriarchy. I don't think I've yet met a woman who proudly self-identifies as a feminist that isn't deliberately pining for something to be a victim of, and men are a great scapegoat.

[–]tickledpic2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've met feminists who are very sensible, want reasonable treatment based on equal oppurtunity and advocate for mens rights to not be divorced raped.

[–]The-Wizard-of-Oz-2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What war? This is the problem.

[–]mgtow_11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wish I could give more than one upvote.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Politics, social media, and even the economy have increasingly become zero sum games. There are winners and losers.

Not the topic, but I kinda disagree. 4000 years ago there already were winners and losers in politics. WHen it came to warfare. But again, there also was (and is) trading and I can't call it zero sum.

And maybe a similar trend is happening in relationshits.

I'd say in prior marriages were a lose-lose game. A guy with an awful personality married to an ugly girl (against his and her will) is an example.

[–]Daffan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just gotta say this was a nice read. I like it.

[–]lastoftheavars10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

they are the wannabe equivalents of shallow promiscuous women more like, in reality they are mostly coping losers who spend time larping about being manly on the internet

the guys who are really SPINNIN PLATES BRAH prob dont even know what reddit is let alone would actively post here

[–]ChesterRickman6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most are larpers, agreed. Tho the few successful ones probably come here to vent and learn when things go bad for them in the same way that women do with dating advice books and women's echo chambers on social media.

[–]Biebershole_69 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

The men of TRP are physically ugly. Its that simple.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the truth right here.

[–]CainPrice13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Red Pill men and slutty women are really only "equivalents" if we assume that they have the same goals.

If my goal is to spend my 20s-40s having casual sex, never marry, retire early, and move somewhere the American dollars I never spent on a wife and kids go farther, while an "equivalent" woman's goal is to spend her 20s having casual sex, then find a man to marry her in her early 30s so she can start a family, we're not really equivalent.

[–]HERE2SHILL10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

TRP teaches you to become the old catlady their revenge porn thinks "sluts" become.

[–]CainPrice5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's if you buy into the idea that a life without marriage is a failure and one of the main goals in life should be marriage, the ultimate form of long-term relationship, so that you have someone to grow old with. TRP is a pretty strong advocate for never getting married.

[–]garlicextract1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

from a purely evolutionary perspective what's important is having children and raising the children well - usually when this does happen this is done in a marriage

[–]CainPrice0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It has long been a philosophical discussion among humanity whether we are a higher order of being and more enlightened than animals, or whether we are a stupid, base form of being and our so-called higher reasoning ability will be the death of us.

Some people think that casting off our evolutionary urges and pursuing things that satisfy our rational minds is enlightened. Some think it's base.

I guess that depends on whether you're a girl who takes birth control and fucks fun guys without reproducing, or a fun guy who beds a lot of sluts. Or whether you use that free time you're not raising kids to develop the cure for cancer.

[–]Xemnas8115 points16 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

What, it took the sub 4 years to realise that TRP was about nerdy nice guys learning to become PUAs to bang thots?

I think they just don't care. Sexual strategy is amoral etc. ad nauseam

[–]ThisIsJustATr1buteHas what plants crave10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Amoral means I can do whatever I want, Sweet loophole. /s

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Amoral means TRP is not meant to argue morality. They only talk about what works.

Whether or not you do everything they say is up to you.

They are giving you a gun and you decide what to do with it.

[–]ThisIsJustATr1buteHas what plants crave7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I know what they say, and I know what they do, not the same.

[–]-TheGreasyPole-Pissed Off that Reddit Admins killed my old account4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He’s right though. You’re misunderstanding what amoral means in the context of RP.

RP being amoral doesn’t give ANY RPM (or RPW) moral cover at all.

Actions in the real world are either moral or immoral. Whenever an RPM acts he’s acting morally or immorally according to any moral rule set you or he has.

Only the knowledge is amoral.

Like a gun is amoral. Any time someone shoots one they’re either doing it for a moral reason (shooting tin cans) or an immoral reason (shooting that prick).

The fact that the guns amoral gives the shooter no protection at all from people saying he’s moral or immoral for how he uses the gun.

[–]ThisIsJustATr1buteHas what plants crave4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Amoral: a gun that exists, no one’s using it.

Immoral: “hey guys can you give me tips for how to use this gun to make bank tellers give me cash? Society’s bad anyway and I want to enjoy the decline, plus guns are amoral so it’s ok.”

That’s how the amoral sound bite sounds to outside people.

[–]garlicextract1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

pretty good breakdown tbh

[–]kandyapplezincel larping as a thot20 points21 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

they're not the male equivalent because the girls are actually having fun and crushing it while the guys are imprisoned in resentment and sexual isolation

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I think that's the real truth to it. I enjoy casual safe sex with guys I find attractive. I don't hate the guys or want revenge. I just enjoy and then move on. I have my own hobbies\interests\passions. When I hit a certain age, I'll settle down with one guy and have kids. If it works out long-term, perfect. If it doesn't, I'll be fine and move on.

TRP\MGTOW actively hate and resent women, hate and resent attractive men, and seem to be psychologically disturbed. They go on and on about not focusing on women but they all seem to be obsessed with talking about women.

[–]wtffellificationWe all love women5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

When I hit a certain age, I'll settle down with one guy and have kids. If it works out long-term, perfect. If it doesn't, I'll be fine and move on.

And you're presuming that the kids will be fine and move on, just like that, too?

[–]garlicextract2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

yeah that was a big fucking red flag. she doesn't seem to give a shit about the kids as actual humans vs her own desires

[–]MCTerminologyBot0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I, a professional Minecraft Linguist, have found some errors in your comment and have recrafted it.

yeah that was a big fucking red banner

[–]ChesterRickman6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't hate women and I find TRP strategies extremely effective. I love em and want to be the best, happiest man I can, and that involves having women in my life so I need to be high SMV to have that piece of the puzzle in it. I also disagree with the notion women "are just having fun" and don't harbor resentment towards men, wtf. Have you ever seen or been in a group of ladies having a night out? Hating on men is a constant topic, same with men, talking about how these hoes ain't loyal etc. No pills needed for that, regardless of gender.

[–]MoodyBrizo 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

They go on and on about not focusing on women but they all seem to be obsessed with talking about women.

Not appearing to be focused on women is a good strategy to get women.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

True, but unfortunately it's not that easy to fake. Invariably these are men who are poor at social communication to begin with, so at the outset it's going to be harder for them to fake it. To the extent that subscribing to TRP causes them to focus more mental energy on obsessing about women, it could easily decrease their RS.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m glad you enjoy it, but this generalization is untrue and unsupported by the relevant research we have.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

When I hit a certain age, I'll settle down with one guy and have kids.

Is that a plan? A desire to fulfil the woman role?

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here9 points10 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

No. Women have serious problems with regret after casual sex.

https://psychcentral.com/blog/one-night-stands-5-shocking-facts-about-the-science-of-hooking-up/

The proof to this morning-after regret? Psychologist Anne Campbell from the Durham University in England surveyed more than 3,300 people between the ages of 17 and 40. Half of them — men and women equally included — reported having experienced a one-night stand. She asked them to describe their experiences and, more importantly, the emotions they experienced the morning after.

Her research on casual sex found that despite women’s claims that they can have carefree sex unattached: 80 percent of men had overall positive feelings; meanwhile, only 54 percent of women had positive feelings.

The idea that women are just having fun and crushing it is simply incorrect. They are simply not and are certainly more worse off than the men who are having casual sex.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

There is a sex difference, absolutely. But I think it's a stretch to say it's a "serious problem with regret."

First, there's still that 54% of women that had a good time. That's not an insubstantial number, it's still a majority.

Secondly, it's not always about regret. In that study they measured only positive feelings towards the experience on a 6 point scale WITHOUT breaking down why.

As the receptive partner, bad sex is more unpleasant if it goes badly than it is for the insertive partner; that's just down to the physiology of sex.

When I was sowing my wild oats, a lot of my one night stands were because the sex was bad. If the sex was good, I'd go back for a repeat and it wouldn't be a one night stand!

So for me, it'd look like I didn't like one stands on a T-test, but that's because my one night stands were failed trials with guys who were not good in bed. Overall, one night stands allowed me to have a better, more fulfilling sex life by quickly eliminating guys who were bad in bad and with whom I didn't have chemistry.

That I enjoyed myself less on average than the men I was sleeping with in one night stands doesn't mean it was a bad strategy for me, because I still came out ahead of the alternative strategy of having bad sex with the same guy over and over.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The regret from women comes with depressive symptoms not seen in men.

Depressive symptoms were associated with engaging in casual sex differently for males and females. Males who engaging in casual sex reported the fewest symptoms of depression and females who had a history of casual sex reported the most depressive symptoms. Frequencies of affectionate and genital behaviors were associated with expectations of the relationship, the relationship to the partner, infidelity, and the individual's relationship style. Results are discussed in light of evolutionary and socio-cultural theories of sexuality.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You think like a guy

[–]rus9384Misanthrope0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like girls who think like a guy, but look like a girl.

[–]allweknowisD1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

are certainly more worse off than the men who are having casual sex

Even though the next “fact” in the article you posted shows that poor mental health and casual sex have a connection in both men and women?

Sounds like both sexes that engage in casual sex have it worse off.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here-1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Depressive symptoms were associated with engaging in casual sex differently for males and females. Males who engaging in casual sex reported the fewest symptoms of depression and females who had a history of casual sex reported the most depressive symptoms. Frequencies of affectionate and genital behaviors were associated with expectations of the relationship, the relationship to the partner, infidelity, and the individual's relationship style. Results are discussed in light of evolutionary and socio-cultural theories of sexuality.

Even if the men regret the sex, they aren’t depressed over it and have the fewest symptoms of depression while women who sleep around have the most.

[–]allweknowisD2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I’d love if you could post where you’re quoting that from, otherwise I can’t exactly discuss the article.

Plus, mental health is more than depression

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17599248/

Mental health is more than depression, but the studies do show that men who have casual sex are the least depressive, while women who have it are the most.

[–]Venicedreaming3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Could it be that men who have more sex are fun attractive Chads and some women who have a lot of casual sex came from damaged childhood with self esteem issues? Sounds like chicken and eggs here more so than actual causation of casual sex. With that said I don’t think promiscuity is good for either gender

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes likely. I don’t think the sex itself is causing the depression in women.

[–]allweknowisD1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I’d rather comment after reading the actual study and not the abstract. I don’t know methodology or anything.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

It's peer reviewed and published.

I don't see why you can't just entertain the findings. You won't lose your feminist card lmao

[–]allweknowisD1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I can entertain the findings but how exactly am I supposed to just believe a study when I don’t know number of participants, how they measure depressive symptoms, what they consider depressive symptoms etc?

I don’t just read an abstract and blindly believe everything

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well then entertain the findings and theorize why these findings were made.

[–]rus9384Misanthrope0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

because the girls are actually having fun

I hear so often women don't like to have fun and sex in committed relationships is billion times better. Sure, there are different kinds of women.

while the guys are imprisoned in resentment and sexual isolation

For what? Rape accusations?

[–]garlicextract0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

you're right about the guys but lol @ "actually having fun and crushing it". the happiest members of both genders are in stable relationships

[–]SeemedGood10 points11 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

I can see how this might be true in some senses with this (giant) caveat:

TRP is reactionary.

It is nothing more than a rational reaction to women’s collective sexual choice structure. As the selector sex, women create the rules of the game and as the selected sex all men can do is optimize our reactions to women’s rules as expressed by their collective choices.

The rule structure for which RP philosophy seeks to optimize a response is most certainly not one which men would freely choose. Women’s choice structures created RP, and continuously sustain it. If RP wasn’t effective, it would have no power and die for lack of producing results.

So, to the extent that women don’t like the results of the optimization of their own choice structure ruleset, they should stop complaining and change their collective choice structure to reflect the values which they claim to prefer by rewarding those men with more frequent access to sex and denying it to RP men. If they did that, men would surely react by adapting their behaviors and RP would die off fairly quickly. But (unfortunately) they do the opposite.

[–]diffdedbedGreen Eyed Devil6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

To be honest, most I see from RP is they want to be players while pretending they cracked the code. I think they get some things right, especially about getting your shit together, and yes some women fit "awalt" but only some. I think it is a formula in the long run for unhappiness.

[–]SeemedGood4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps what you “see” is influenced by an emotional response to the tenants of philosophy.

The model of women’s behaviors which RP philosophy presents is remarkably explanatory and thus predictive and effective at improving the nature of our interactions with women - and not just women with whom we want sexual interaction.

Since adopting the philosophy I have found that all women treat me significantly better (AWALT). Women go out of their way to give me better service, are far more accommodating generally, and are much more positive in their interactions with me. This includes women with whom I’ve had relationships for my entire, life like my sisters. And this while I watch the same women simultaneously treat non-RPed men like fresh dog turds. I have yet to interact with a single woman where I have not seen the effect, regardless of age, position, background or culture.

[–]diffdedbedGreen Eyed Devil7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

That's just the first part of TRP. That's basically stop being a pussy. I figured that out in 1991 on my own. TRP ignores love and actual pair bonding though. This is where I think it fails in the long term..

[–]SeemedGood2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What’s just the first part? I didn’t refer to any specific part.

TRP principles have been around for a long time, just not so well collected and cataloged. Any observant man will have learned some of them naturally.

RP philosophy definitely addresses pair bonding (MRP). And no TRP philosophy doesn’t address love. Rather it claims love doesn’t actually exist as anything other than a means of expressing “fitness” and appreciation for the exchange of utility. I have come to the conclusion that it does actually exist as an energy of appreciation for the being of another (as opposed to another’s utility), and that (as TRP suggests) women do not actually experience that for any beings other than their own children (and not even then always). And the adoption of that realization among the other TRP tenants has done more to strengthen my LTR than everything Inhad tried and considered in the years prior (including listening to my partner and taking her suggestions).

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Rather it claims love doesn’t actually exist as anything other than a means of expressing “fitness” and appreciation for the exchange of utility.

women do not actually experience that for any beings other than their own children

Equally you could argue that love for children doesn't exist except for as a means of expressing fitness.

You basically picked an ultimate (evolutionary) explanation for love of a spouse or partner, and then you've picked a proximate (psychological) explanation for the love of a child.

In reality, both have proximate and ultimate explanations and are not contradictory.

It's true that proximately, love in a pair bond is weaker than the bond between a mother and a child. There are good adaptive reasons for that. It doesn't mean that women (or men) don't experience romantic love period, that's just silly.

[–]SeemedGood1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I asserted that women have the capacity to actually love their children, not that they always do. Many, in fact, don’t. What you label the ultimate (evolutionary) explanation for love is not actual love as it is not the appreciation of another for his being, but rather remains a utilitarian appreciation.

The contradiction arises from the inability to appreciate another for his being when there exists the expectation of the fulfillment of some utility.

I use children as an example of the potential for appreciation for being because often children fail to provide positive utility even to the point of demonstrating unfitness (in the case of children with genetic deformities/retardation) yet many parents appreciate them for their beings anyway.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Love is an illusion. Strange how a swinger preaches about love. Hilarious.

[–]diffdedbedGreen Eyed Devil5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And life is but a dream. You know nothing about love or swingers I'm afraid.

[–]HERE2SHILL5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Rewarding men with sex for good boy points?? Is that what you guys actually want?

[–]bluepy679 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not just sex. Tendies too.

[–]SeemedGood2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We all want access to sex, preferably with women that appreciate and love us for our individual beings as opposed to for our potential utility (as represented by women’s shopping specifications). But that’s neither here nor there because ultimately women set the terms of the game.

Since women are the selector sex and we men the selected, it’s really about what you want, and you are fundamentally always getting what you actually want having selected for it via your collective choice structure.

And given that the RP philosophy is as effective as it is, those are clearly the characteristics which you actually want. So stop complaining about them. If you want something different from men, choose differently and you’ll get it. Until then we’d be fools to listen to your complaints and abandon that which actually works.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good comment. Yet women still blame men for their failures. Go figure

[–]69odin4208 points9 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I agree. I’m still gonna keep doing the same thing. Why hold myself to high moral standards if nobody else does???

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles9 points10 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Honor? Do you want to be proud of who you were when you are 75, retired, and thinking back on the life you lived?

Some people want to be decent people even though they don't have to be, but because they want to

[–]beachredwhineCongratulations!4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They are not thinking that far ahead. This means they can't weigh risks vs benefits properly either

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Who cares about life at 75? You'll be too busy battling inevitable dementia to remember what you are like at 21 anyway.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

If you spend your life using and deceiving people, it's hard to look yourself in the mirror and actually like who you see.

I don't mean being a dick when you're young, I mean being a dick your entire life.

I would rather be a decent person because I care about the type of person I am. Maybe that's beta, I don't care

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Everyone "uses people", moralising this does not do anything but harm your own success.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Success is whatever we define.

For me it's not screwing over other people and living a good life.

Yes everyone uses people. I use my friends since their company make me feel good.

But I wouldn't actively harm them for personal gain unless the payoff was very very high

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Well yeah they're your friends.

But let's say there's someone you don't really know. He works with you but you make smalltalk with him occasionally and that's it.

If you could stab him in the back to move up and get a promotion and more money for yourself and your family, would you do it?

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Metaphorically stab him? Yeah probably.

I wouldn't think about it too much otherwise I'd realize I'm a dick.

So I guess it's more how we perceive ourselves that matters

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There we go then.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well terps also care just that their preferences do not align with yours. They want happiness now, not when they are supposedly 70 years old and wasted them on believing that "the one is just around the corner". Terps live in a present for the most part. Be happy now so that in the long run you would not regret stuff

[–]69odin4200 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You act like having sex without marriage is some terrible thing. I’ve never cheated before. I have no feelings of guilt from a sexual encounter.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I meant leading someone on that you want a relationship when all you want is to hit it and quit it. Deception and getting someone attached isn't right.

I have had girlfriends in the past too (definitely not married to them lol)

[–]69odin4200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I don’t do that. Not many girls I know do that either.

[–]------__------------0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It might be easier to actually shoot yourself in the foot than to try and have 'honor' in 2019

[–]Original_Username72 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, TRP/MGTOW guy here, I think there's a lot of truth in what you're saying. Thanks for sharing.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Manipulative, selfish, only concerned with short term thinking and not long term thinking and planning. Low in RMV. They pursue partners who are low in RMV but who are attractive or fun, but would make terrible partners. Obsessed with good looks and being validated, need sexual validation to compensate for deep seated feelings of being ignored, not good enough, etc. Eschew long term mating strategies in favor of short term mating strategies.

You have to remember, a lot of them didn't start out that way. Men don't RP men. Women do.

This means they experienced these traits coming from women. They tried being nice first and it didn't work.

Let's look at it another way. A woman can be an absolute slut with a ridiculous N count, lie as she approaches 30 and wants to settle down, then marries a guy who doesn't know her past and is able to live out the dream of having a family before divorcing the man and taking half his shit.

What incentive is there to behave when even discussions on women's behavior is taboo? Men's preferences here be damned. But the most important part here is that if being a manipulative dick gets women more interested, why be nice?

If women responded to men's virtues first, the manipulative, asshole behavior would vanish. Instead they're in a world where the only time they get interest from women is if they use deviant tactics. Moat men would rather be nice first but they soon discovered it doesn't work.

The real question you should be asking is why men have to resort to shallow, manipulative and assholish behavior to even get any attention from women. They were not exactly spoilt for choice by having access to dozens of kind, beautiful women who prefer virtue first and not social status. Those women were taken off the market very quickly. So the men have to work with what they've got or be sexless and lonely.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yup..women complain that terps don't stay in their place (being losers and don't act as nice guys that they originally were and giving them all the benefits) but try to improve and get what they want (sex then relationships).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'll keep saying it. If we want RP to vanish, women should start fucking guys because they're nice.

Until women do that, they cannot complain when men are rewarded with sex for being shallow assholes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. And this always fly over thos dumb women heads trying to argue how baf terps are and how most women aren't like that. Terps tested their bp theories time and time again and failed. Fuck that.

There's a middle ground to being nice or asshole, but that comes later way after anger phase. Fact is that life is more rewarding to assholes than nice guys. So many new guys finding trp turn to being assholes because thats what many women want. And they sure as hell know that they do not want nice guys. They tried it. They failed. It's time to try the opposite

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[–]garlicextract1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The self improvement stuff on there is useful but in general they ironically are obsessed with getting validation from women and you are absolutely right that they are the male equivalents of the women they criticize. TRP teaches and preaches attracting hot but low value people.

[–]Imperator_RedRed Pill Man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope. Men and women are different.

[–]Moldy_GeckoPurple Pill Man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wastes the best years of their mating life chasing after fun and pleasure, end up empty handed as they get older, and then get very bitter towards the opposite gender.

For most the men on TRP, the bitterness is in the beginning and with success, it goes away.

Eschew long term mating strategies in favor of short term mating strategies.

Yes, because the long term strategy isn't good for men.

A lot of TRP types end up on MGTOW as they get older.

MGTOW are the guys that even with TRP, couldn't get laid.

But I agree, TRP isn't wholly right on everything.

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[–]VermiciousKnidzzBlue Pill Man5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

sorta like how extreme feminist women are often female versions of the men they criticize

[–]statsfoddernot blue, not red.3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A white knight trying to AMOG an entire sub-Reddit... oh this will be good

[–]tallwheelManosphere Unificationist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]ThisIsJustATr1buteHas what plants crave1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh dang.

[–]GrumpyOldHistoricist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty much, yes.

TRP/PUA is an attempt to create a manual for attracting the worst women under the mistaken premise that AWALT. It’s a great way to sleaze your way into the panties of high drama hosebeasts with borderline personality disorder.

Aside from the physical, actually developing good character (this is distinct from just being nice) is a more successful long term strategy.

[–]CamoWoobie100-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, I have definitely had the feeling of "I am becoming what I hate" on my TRP journey, but I feel like I have to be this way to get what I want, and I also get pleasure from causing pain to others. When I was a lower value Male, they showed me no mercy, so why should I have any? Why should I "be the bigger man".

I want my piece of the pie and I'm willing to do whatever it takes to get it. I'm going to continue to crush as many women as possible. I dont care if I'm adding to the problem. It's a war out there.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ooh I like that.

[–]__Some_person__0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

deleted What is this?

[–]ChesterRickman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everyone hates that which reminds them of their failures the most. Women : weak dependant (pregnancy) and feminine men. Men: toxic women without motherly instincts who look unfeminine.

That's an interesting view. I think I understand more about myself now.

[–]ChesterRickman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You attract what you are. RP is improving my life quality in its own way. Whether I'm a good person or not is a seperate matter that's going to affect what's in my dating pool, RP techinques will allow me to be effective in this pool of predetermined attracted to me women.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah you just cherry pick,and still think that you can find your unicorn.

[–]PlantainNationalism0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is this Ben Shapiro? This guy just DESTROYED TRP from an even redder perspective. Bravo

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (18 children) | Copy Link

They're tame compared to mgtow types. By the way - I'm mgtow AND a male chauvinist and damn proud of it. I fully support women being stripped of their unearned rights to vote,own property,and to wield positions of power. It's unnatural and as such doesn't work. How's that for not being politically correct?

[–]MostlyMutePurple Pill Woman10 points11 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

You’re entitled to your opinions. No one cares that you go your own way. You do you, boo boo.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Increasing numbers of men are going their own way because western women arent worth the hassle and bring nothing to the plate. We don't want other men's cum shots or some entitled bitch who thinks her shit don't stick whenever it stinks to high heaven. Our numbers will continue to grow as will women's loneliness and need for ever more cat food to feed the ones that'll one day be found feasting upon their aged rotting corpses. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[–]MostlyMutePurple Pill Woman13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, you’re definitely getting your revenge on us by removing yourself from the dating pool. Keep up the good work lol.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Revenge or not - self respecting men don't t spend money on women. That's for simps. Besides,no sensible man breeds with the modern woman and with her overinflated sense of self worth with other men's cum shots. It's not like they're mother and wife material. It might be hard for you to fathom but there's more to life than spreading your seed ..... especially considering that females today are incapable of truly pairbonding with men and providing them with genetically untainted children.

[–]azngirl76895 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

This tired shit again? Yawn. How been there done that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

No sensible man gives a shit what some useless broad like you thinks as you're not a contributor to the betterment of society anyhow.

[–]azngirl76891 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Your eyes are closed to reality.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nope. That would be You blue piller.

[–]azngirl7689 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

With all due respect, you have a very cynical outlook on life. I feel sad for you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have an honest look at life and see it for what it is. It's gone from bad to worse.

[–]billytiger4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

how in your mind have men earned those rights more than women? What does your ideal world look like and would you be happy to have a daughter born into it?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

With equal rights comes equal responsibility. Since women aren't required to serve their country they shouldn't have any rights because of it. So yes - daughters should serve on the front lines against their will if they can wield positions of power in government and the home. Equal rights. If you disagree then you're a misandryist. You're not special after all.

[–]billytiger0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

okay so how about anybody who doesn't serve in the military. Any males over 35 who can't get drafted. They shouldn't be allowed to vote according to your dumbass logic. But guess what, everyone who pays taxes gets to vote!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nope. That's not going to hold water as those men 35 and older registered when they were 18 while the females of that generation didn't. That's sexual discrimination against men. It's time for these women to pay the price for their rights or be stripped of them.

[–]billytiger0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

lol why don't you move to the middle east then and live your dream

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A few similarities don't make a mirror image.

If anything I think suggesting men should alter behavior for a long term strategy hoping for a unicorn would get you laughed right out of TRP.

I cant see the wall as being the same for men and women.

Sure you can try to hammer a square peg into a round hole and if you oversimplify enough you'll get there.

I don't think the cc is what TRP makes it out to be. I think its a byproduct of women choosing guys unlikely to see them as LTR material because they are reaching a bit too much and don't realize it, then eventually their expectations are unrealistic so they cant continue.

In other words, I think its an accident, where men have that short term strategy on purpose because it provides the optimal outcome.

If you think thats crazy, I refer back to use of the word unicorn. I think women want a unicorn, most RP men don't think they exist so they don't bother looking.

Unless I missed something its not men asking "where have all the good women gone"

Below is just context

I dont see very many lasting relationships, even among the most attractive/wealthy people I do see a lot of bitter af codependency. making a conscious decision to avoid that was essentially how I became mgtow almost 20 years ago.

Yeah I could have chosen a long term strategy I'd call predatory and trapped a woman in the comfortable quicksand of losing her own independence, only to have the obligatory starfish sex end as she grew to resent me. Having seen that my grandmother, mother, and sister married a beta provider no doubt had a lot to do with that.

yes my60ish yr grandmother married a hard working younger man with a decent job and a pension, and literally admitted she did so for him to take care of her. He had major health issues and she was bitter af to be the one taking care of him! Not sure if my dad was always the way he is, or if 40 years of shit tests have reduced him to the spineless/helpless guy he is now.

My mother became my standard for behavior I absolutely would not tolerate!

Most of my opinions on things predate my awareness of MGTOW or RP. each has filled in some pretty big gaps though. I found each long after the fact.

I have to wonder how many guys like me got tossed under the bus of correlation/causation in some odd guilt by association.

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol what no

Most TRP guys are soft high RMV dudes who have seen that strategy fail to get them sex and are trying to figure out what actually works

[–]throwawayhouseissue1I talk to strangers-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am trying to determine exactly what your CMV is, but I will give this a shot. I think your argument is that NAWALT. That is something I struggle with, I think that, in general, people have some of the same proclivities. Like, we all typically feel hungry and want to eat. We want to look decent, so we shower and wear nice clothes. So I point out that humans eat food and get naked and pour water on their bodies, then you would say, yeah, I guess humans tend to do that, but I know this one guy who never showers.... or whatever.

I think this: what women are socialized to want and what their evolutionary biology wants are sometimes in conflict. So it is best to educate yourself and at least be aware. Life is a crap shoot, who knows? Gotta shoot your shot.

[–]statsfoddernot blue, not red.-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Like the radical left is the same as the fascists they claim to be fighting against?

Like the radfems are female versions of the men they want wiped off the planet?

[–]whatyoucallaflip 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy Link

But its to a large degree an effort to encourage cluster B

Cluster B women aren't the only women who exhibit the TRP behaviors.

They just do it more quickly.

You're either eating or on the menu.

But you gotta pick one

The fact that exceptions exist don't negate the overall reality.

You wanna gamble that you've found an exception?

Go ahead.

But it's wise to acknowledge to oneself that that is what one is doing.

Gambling.

It'll make it easier to digest when the gamble fails.

[–]Five_DecadesKnows what women want. Knows he doesn't have it[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The average man wants to fuck the college aged babysitter when he and his wife are in their 30s.

But only a tiny minority actually do, even if given the option.

Women may have TRP style behaviors deep in their mind, but the majority will not act on them.

If each woman you find acts like a TRP stereotype, its because you're picking the wrong ones.

Theres a world of difference between generalized human behaviors and how people act in real life.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The average man wants to fuck the college aged babysitter when he and his wife are in their 30s.

But only a tiny minority actually do, even if given the option.

Women may have TRP style behaviors deep in their mind, but the majority will not act on them.

I 100% agree with you in theory, but I think the piece you're missing is that women will be tempted far more times than men will to act on those behaviors. The disparity will be especially great if both sink into comfort behaviors, because women will continue to receive offers regardless

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Fine by that logic this also sums up terpers - “don’t gamble” by assuming they are different than what OP is describing (or even worse). I mean since that’s what this OP is about.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You seem to make a common bp error, that what fits men also should fit women and vice versa. But fact is that men and women are different and different standards apply to them.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

We aren't talking about "men" we are talking about terpers.

You seem to believe they cannot be generalized - they are not special. They can also be generalized negatively.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely. But you can't compare men to women like that.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The only way I’m comparing them in this instance is to say they can both be generalized negatively.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes

[–]RedditRouge00-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This post is the equivalent of “I know you’re , but what am I ?” Contributes absolutely nothing.

[–]human8ure-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep, and a very toxic attitude in general. But there's something to it for sure. I've kind of adopted little bits here and there, in a machivellean sort of way, to level the playing field.

[–]IncelTearsIsLowIQ5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

true. i left TRP because i came to realize how toxic that echo chamber is. i actually got banned for 4 days bc i posted a thread saying “people in the anger phase, please watch what you say because your anger will be taken out of context by new people and distort their views of TRP”. it was a very unbiased post and i got fucking banned. it’s an echo chamber. you can’t bring up different viewpoints without being destroyed in the comments or banned.

also, JFL at guys on their in the comments. they are complete assholes because they think they’re “alpha”. an alpha doesn’t have to be a dick to you bc a true alpha was unknowingly conditioned with positivity and positivity reinforcement by girls and in social situations. it’s in their subconscious and do it unknowingly as teens or adults. they don’t need to read books or go on the internet to find out to be an alpha. i guarantee a lot of the guys are the 5’9 beef cakes you see with their chests puffed out trying to prove themselves to the world (basically women, even though WoMeN sHoUlDnT bE yOuR gOaL). true alphas are chill as fuck because they’ve had so much positive reinforcement in their life that they don’t have to prove anything to anyone.

TRP men are like rappers who have new money and true alphas are the old white guys with old money.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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