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It's shocking to realise that once a long time ago women (and men to an extent) got married at 18. Men were usually a little older; not excessively but still older. Flash forward to today and you see people who get married at 18 just having failed marriages.

How could this be? Simple. Women want to be young, wild and free. Young women are hot, horny and have access to an endless supply of attractive men; this is what they really want.

Once a woman is married she (hopefully) will only be having sex with her husband (unless in open marriage). It's too late then, the time is now. Better take advantage of this opportunity; an opportunity her great grandmas envy.

Men around her are the hottest they will ever be. Youthful recklessness, hopeful and blissful, physically strong and youthful looks. It's only downhill for their attractiveness; bald heads, beer guts, a dramatic decrease in testosterone, long after the thrill of living is gone.

She can't miss this opportunity; this is not just a want this is a need too.

It's only after she's truly lived it up, had the most blissful sex and forgotten more guys than she can remember can she ever settle down. By then you (yes you) will have just got your promotion in the engineering department, the boss loves you and most importantly, she loves you too.

TLDR: Marrying young is dumb, women should never have their lips sealed, they'll regret it forever.


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[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill30 points31 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Women want to be young, wild and free.

Being in a relationship doesn't by default make someone "not free", "not young" or "not wild". Only shitty marriages/relationships.

No one should marry at 18 -- very few people even know what they need in a relationship by that age. The only reason they used to do it was because there was a lot more pressure on women to be beholden to men to survive. Now that they don't have to, it's typically wiser not to.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You’re correct, however most people especially women don’t see it that way. They think a boyfriend prevents them from traveling abroad, focusing on career, having crazy experiences - when it doesn’t

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Idk, take a glance at the RP sub and you'd see a bunch of men having conversations about how to keep their plates and gf's from traveling, focusing on their career or having crazy experiences, so I guess there's fools on both sides.

But yes, I would not consider a girl who thinks "having a boyfriend" means "the fun in your life is over" someone who is mature enough for a relationship in general. Put 'em back in the incubator til they're ready to hatch into humans.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not traveling, but traveling alone. And if you’re in a relationship and she (or the guy) wants to go abroad for an extended period of time (more than 4 days) then yes that’s a major issue and a very good chance cheating will occur

Experiences should be shared together. You can have crazy beach sex with your boyfriend or girlfriend, doesn’t have to be some local you just met

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The fact that you think a girlfriend going on a vacation for a week means she’ll cheat on you if you aren’t there to mateguard is be an indication of a very unstable relationship.

I’d break up with someone who had an attitude like this immediately omg

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In my experience it's the opposite. It's a minority of people (women especially) that think this prevents them from career, travel and fun. There's actually more men that think this, but I do not believe they are majority either.

I'd say your experience is abnormal in the sense that most people still meet their partners in their early to mid 20s, and many have kids (and marry) in their late 20s to early 30s. If most people pair off in their early to mid 20s, then most people are not restricted by the thoughts you say they are (but yes, a minority are).

[–]WhatIsTheMeaningHere1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

very few people even know what they need in a relationship by that age.

Wtf is there to know? Sexual preference mainly right? So you agree with him.

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

my god, man, more goes into LTR than sexual preferences.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Only shitty marriages/relationships.

I would have defined "shitty relationships" as people in couple thinking the relationship is just short termed and disposable. If you take relationships seriously, you don't imagine it being disposable, therefore a relationship is kind of "not free" and "not wild" either.

A relationship can be wild, but I don't think OP is talking about this kind of wild. And by young I supposed he's talking "take advantage of your high SMV".

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

And by young I supposed he's talking "take advantage of your high SMV".

Probably, but "taking advantage of SMV" is a male imperative. Women don't think this way. Some definitely like sex, but it's less about accumulating notches on their bedpost so much as wanting to establish an ideal "life narrative" in which having their sexual needs met is only part of a greater picture of having emotional and physical needs met. SMV is meaningless to women - dick is easy to get. They want a dick that comes with a good story they can rehash to themselves later.

For some, this comes from getting dick in variety, to add more novelty to each "short story" they're experiencing. To others, having one committed boyfriend allows them to live out a longer "novel" of an experience.

Dudes care about numbers. Chicks care about the ambience around each singular.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Agree those two types of women exist separately and likely the ones applying CC are more rare.

However even those of the monogamous group are still doing what we call "serial monogamy" in which they don't necessarily commit much to relationships and will apply an consumerist attitude.

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

However even those of the monogamous group are still doing what we call "serial monogamy" in which they don't necessarily commit much to relationships and will apply an consumerist attitude.

Yeah, I won't pretend most people are kinda shitty and short-sighted. Chicks and dudes just have different areas they're shitty and short-sighted in. No "serial monogamist" identifies as a serial monogamist -- they always think they want the relationship they're in. They're just often not self-aware enough to recognize the difference between "what sounds good as a concept" and "what they actually need to maintain a LTR".

[–]flamingoinghomeIs three lizards in trench coat11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

People who get married at 18 divorce because the only people who get married at 18 (subsequently bucking current social trends and seriously hampering their own career/educational prospects) are, a.) the deeply religious marrying to get laid, and b.) unplanned pregnancies. Plenty of people do meet their future spouses at young ages, they just LTR for a while (often quite a long while) before marrying.

You have a slightly absurd idea of what marriages in the past were like. You seem to assume that "married young and didn't get a divorce" means that these marriages were happy and successful, or would be desirable to modern people, which is a HUGE, FLYING LEAP of logic. Heck, whether or not these people even "stayed together" is questionable--have you ever heard the term "grass widow"?

Finally, where exactly are all of these men in their late teens and early twenties wanting to get married? I lived on the engineering campus of my university my first couple years of college, so I'm not talking about the frat stars when i say that the vast majority of guys that age were at most cautiously entertaining the thought of having an exclusive girlfriend, and even then only so long as she doesn't keep him away from his schoolwork too much. They certainly knew full well they weren't ready to get married.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Heck, whether or not these people even "stayed together" is questionable--have you ever heard the term "grass widow"?

yeh, this is interesting. ive been trying to explain for years now that before divorce was allowed people would "Separate" for life, very often

[–]historyhillBlue Pill Wife0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Finally, where exactly are all of these men in their late teens and early twenties wanting to get married?

Christian colleges. :) Met my husband at one (although I wasn't there for an MRS degree), as did most of my friends--male and female. A couple of those marriages have (predictably) failed, but many of them are going strong, and I hope they continue to do so!

[–]Hungry_AFYour friendly neighborhood misandrist20 points21 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Tho only thing an 18 year old girl should care about is her education/future career, otherwise she's setting herself up for failure.

[–]cherryapp-2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

She can easily go to college while being married.

[–]Hungry_AFYour friendly neighborhood misandrist12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She can, but she shouldn’t.

[–]the_calibre_cat1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Better yet, she can go the route of feminist hero Wendy Davis - marry a guy, use him for college, and then divorce him once he's paid off your student loans.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

feminist hero Wendy Davis

who?

[–]diffdedbedGreen Eyed Devil6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Started dating my wife she was 18.

Got married almost 7 years later.

We didn't even cohabitate, which is really common. The pressure to get married is less now but that doesn't mean people are not in a monogamous ltr.

[–]Jackpot807Purple Pill Man2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Ah yes, the ‘happily married’ guy. Every thread has one

[–]diffdedbedGreen Eyed Devil5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

77% of men are married at 35.

81% at 40

Its more like every thread has a guy shitting on marriage.

[–]abstractexistence1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Make it two. Got married at 23... after 2 1/2 years dating. 10 years and 2 kids later... we are as "happy" as you could be. We both came from poor families and I had just gone back to college and I pushed her to go back too. She basically moved in after a few months dating and we got on a family plan for our cell phones. We pushed through our childhood poverty to middle class together and it really created the strong bond that has allowed us to be in a successful marriage today. I think people SHOULD get married during their college years (24-28), after they get some real world experience outside of mom and dad’s house and outside of HS, but before they are established in a career.

[–]Offhisgame1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This sub isnt a true representation of the world. Rp are known failures so going to be less happy men here

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Every other person here seems to be into substance use other than alcohol (or was in the past to a large degree, aka not "tried pot once" but actually it a lot or something else), which is another huge red flag for "not so normal" people.

[–]the_calibre_cat-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

He didn't live with her initially though, which is the smart way to do it.

Still, I'm jaded and cynical. I don't think for an instant that she didn't go and get some strange on the side at some point, unless she's just not that good looking. Women are human, and good looking women get hit on relentlessly. No doubt in my mind that, at some point, the pressure to indulge yourself in the power you hold over the opposite sex exceeds your ability to resist it.

So a successful marriage should probably accommodate reasonable quantities of side flings for both parties, but that isn't likely to happen.

[–]allweknowisD3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is such a male view of sex

[–]volchonok129 points30 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

No, getting married young is not working anymore because it is irresponsible. Our brains aren't even fully developed until age 25. Most people haven't fully completed education and gotten stable career until late 20s. It's just stupid to marry young in our day and age and it has nothing to do with being "free and wild".

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Our brains weren't fully developed at 20 a 100 years ago as well.

That is true that the world has changed. Unless you're born into connections/money you need that college degree and prove yourself to even have a chance. Stable career may be an oxymoron today for most people.

But seriously those oats need to be sowed. Otherwise she'll be angry and unhappy for missing out.

[–]volchonok116 points17 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

100 years ago as well.

100 years there was huge societal pressure to marry as young as possible. Many countries even had arranged marriages, and most people knew very little about brain development. Divorce was also extremely unaccepted.

[–]jjclarko11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Also, don’t forget life expectancy differences between then and now.

In 1919 the average life expectancy was only in the mid 50’s for either gender. Now in 2019 it’s into the 80’s.

[–]Sperm_Bank_Keg_Stand 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Life expectancy was that low because of high infant/child mortality rates.

[–]whichbladeNA Paler Shade of Purple1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

When I think about it, it seems like a really useless average to include infant mortality rates.

Precisely because mortality rate is only relevant to people who are old enough to care.

[–]sfw30150 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Much like most of the rates pointed to nowadays, the point isnt to have a very accurate measure of actual life expectancy, but rather to have a number that shows our government/society is better than we were before. Its political.

[–]jjclarko1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thus earlier marriage = more time to have as many children as possible. Can’t have six kids (and live long) if a woman marries at 28, as the majority do now.

So, because kids aren’t as important as back then, we are getting married later. More women are also seeking higher education as well. Pretty hard to go through school and take care of a kiddo full-time! It can be done, but is obviously not the norm.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is not true in the West. 100 years ago, people were marrying in their mid-20s. In the antebellum South, the most common age for marriage was 20 - 26.

The only time and place that people were getting married "as young as possible" were the noble families of what is now Italy, in the Middle Ages and Renaissance. Through the history of the entire West, non-royalty has chosen spouses from their peers, and has married in their mid-20s. This was nudged a bit down in the 1950s in the United States (but not elsewhere), when men married at the average age of 23 and women a bit younger.

I have no idea where this idea that girls were being sold off at age 15 came from. That has NEVER been the case in the West.

[–]littleprincesrose3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There is quality strategy and quantity strategy. We can expect to live quite long, so we dont need to rush, we can focus on education etc, so adolescence become longer. There are very different expectations towards children now vs then; 100 years ago they had to be more independent, older girls wer expected to take care of younger siblings, keep house as teens, and boys were expected to do hard manual labor, or were sent to boarding schools away from the parents way before 18, which is not as common now. People with absent parents or among hard circumstances grow up way faster, out of neccessity, but it’s not automatically better. Also, then 4 grade and/or a trade was enough, if you had a high school diploma you were among the top half of educated.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it was interesting when I used to hear my grandpa talk about how he only went to year 6. Now college is the new grade 6; sending as many kids to college only for them to work a job that a high schooler could do. But good luck getting through HR as you face 100s of applicants to get a entry level corporate job. But yeah college seems to be a damned if you do damned if you don't.

[–]HalfysRedditIndependent thinker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

20 to 100 years ago our quality of life wasn't as great either. Homicide is down, suicide is down, infant death is down, literally everything has gotten better (except land ownership, but that's expected with a growing population).

Are you upset that people want to have youthful fun while they have limited responsibilities? I'd like to point out that "sowing your wild oats" is the old-school phrase for a guy doing exactly what you're describing. The only thing that's changed is that some women are doing it too.

[–]kandyapplezincel larping as a thot5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

delayed marriage has way more to do with post secondary education and career building than it does with women wanting to whore around. most women still practice serial monogamy fyi

[–]Almondxxx0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you!!

[–]Irl_girl22 points23 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

You could have easily switched the genders in this entire post and it would still be 100% true.

AFAIK young men have been encouraged to “sew their wild oats” and “play the field” since the beginning the time. Modern women mimic this behavior as a defense mechanism against rejection and to earn men’s respect. But it still isn’t even entirely the norm....Where is the famous male pop star singing “if you like it then you should have put a ring on it” 1000 times while every man in the club sings along?

I’m sure there are some men who wish they could commit and can’t, however, blaming women for a lack of commitment on the whole is complete solipsistic projection.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

“if you like it then you should have put a ring on it”

I hate that song. Most overrated Beyonce song ever.

The women singing that song are in their 30s. Not 20 years old (unless they're just singing it because they like Beyonce).

Women are perfectly capable of doing things in their own free will. That means they're making the choices they want to be making.

[–]Irl_girl5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You really think no 20 year old women are singing / relating to one of Beyoncé’s most popular songs because you called it overrated? Clearly there is no point in talking to someone so incapable of seeing outside their own ass.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No my opinion doesn't matter. But those women do not want a ring on their finger as they want to live it up first.

[–]HalfysRedditIndependent thinker2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a pretty smart move. Getting married young statistically correlates with divorce.

[–]equanimous_samsarasyrup of ipecac1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

So women aren't getting married out of their own choice? Fuck. What are men supposed to do.

Should men just marry themselves or would that just be weird and pathetic?

[–]Irl_girl5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

According to RP marriage isn’t good for men, they don’t want to marry us in the first place. They can get pussy from women who ride the CC. Therefore there shouldn’t be a problem.

[–]equanimous_samsarasyrup of ipecac0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How is the sarcasm not obvious

[–]Irl_girl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It just wasn’t sorry lol

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[–]Nodoxxintoxin7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

People will marry when being married brings value to their life. Bring value to a woman‘s life and she will be happy to marry you.

Find the value you can bring and a woman who appreciates it. If that value is reluctantly or marginally monogamous, being a 1950’s style hands off dad, and unenthusiastic about life in general, your options will be more limited.

[–]Irl_girl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I completely agree

[–]equanimous_samsarasyrup of ipecac0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

People will marry when being married brings value to their life.

Oh that's why no one's getting married now, I don't think men are interested in doing this very much anymore.

[–]Nodoxxintoxin2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My unmarried female friends are doing okay. Lots of unmarried men are too. The only ones not thriving are kids raised in this situation. I’m all for people not getting married, not so much for people having kids without being married.

[–]Irl_girl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Personally I think both women and men have embraced Individualism and Narcissism to the point where they are all quite cynical about the value anyone brings them.

Technology can for the most part get both men’s (ex: sexual / porn) and women’s (emotional validation / social media) needs met on a routine basis. Women and men can protect and provide for themselves and even bear and raise children without the opposite sex. The only need that can’t be replaced is the actual act of sex, and this is why hookup culture dominates. It fulfills a need that can’t be fulfilled anywhere else, requiring little vulnerability or compromise from either party.

[–]donkeydodoI think, therefore I am - No pill, only human2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If you seek to gain men’s respect, guess what: the right way isn’t to ride the CC. The outrageous turns of the indoctrinated feminism, and their way of doing retarded things, e.g. switch gender roles has led to things such as MGTOW; men who more or less despise women (men’s defence mechanism). No, the right way for women to gain men’s respect is to increase their individual value and actually bring something to the table other than looks and drama. You don’t do this by making it harder for yourself to commit to a man,

Now, I don’t imply that men are perfect, truth is most men are idiots, but most solutions our society is trying out at the moment is very wrong and dangerous on a societal level

[–]Irl_girl2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I didn’t say it was “correct” it’s not productive to place blame on them, though. They want to get married they just have no idea how and there’s not much media incentive to convince them to stop CCing because a dating scene full of men and women who want to get laid and can’t commit is good for business.

[–]donkeydodoI think, therefore I am - No pill, only human0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes they want to get married, however, most likely a majority of these women, if they ever get married, won't be happy in their future marriages because of that reason. They won't find the help they need in media either, because it's a part of the media's agenda thus they'll only be encouraged to do what they do.

[–]bonusfruit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Womens smv dwarfs mens. That's why switching the genders doesn't work. Very, very few men can be wild and free with lots of women. Most men can either beta bucks or die incel

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19930 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

women dont mimic men's behavior, women want to go wild , too.

women arent some maidens, ya know?

[–]Irl_girl0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sorry I’m RP so “wild women” are the exceptions, not the rule. Take it from me, I am one.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

wild as in not wanting to get married asap.

[–]Nevidimka- 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

- Flash forward to today and you see people who get married at 18 just having failed marriages.

That's because people who marry at 18 are lower class and / or pregnant.

I'd have liked to get married at 18 but the guys didn't want to or I would have to marry someone desperate and ugly. I have a couple friends who were super religious and wanted to wait until marriage and they all had to settle for unattractive, boring dudes. Not waiting and settling later paid off big time for me, I got the best one! I noticed that high quality guys in my country settle around 35-40 with a girl about 10 years younger who has some relationship experience before them, so I set myself up that way.

If I would have lived in a society where the best men marry 18 y/o virgins, I would have been that.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But do these 40 year old men still have a full head of hair, no beer gut and some life left in them?

[–]Nevidimka-2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well I only choose men who worked out religiously (like I do) so the beer gut isn't a problem. Objectively they looked better at 25 ofcourse, but if you date a high quality (social, atheletic, succesfull or potentially succesfull) good looking 25 year old the chance of marriage is too low, so I never bothered with them.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

These silly generalizations man. Everybody is different.

[–]Offhisgame0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its key to being fucking crazy

[–]Uncommon_Sensed_1234 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Even in 1890 the average age of marriage for woman was not 18. Sure there plenty of teen marriages but there were also older ages for women which make up this average. Below is a chart of the average age of men and women for marriage from 1890s to modern times.

I got married at 18 but it was not the norm for my area, as most girls waited until after college. Most of my friends l, relatives or acquaintances married in their early to mid 20s.

https://www.thespruce.com/estimated-median-age-marriage-2303878

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually, looking at your statistics, they're giving the median age for first marriages. And for a lot of fairly recent history, the median age for women was around 20 -- meaning half of all new brides were under 20.

Keep in mind that in "those days," if you knocked up your girlfriend, you generally married her. The advent of modern birth control allowed couples to play around a lot longer without "getting caught."

[–]bonslytossChaste Opinionated Weirdo3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There are two broad POVs you can take regarding your views of the "best path" women can take. I will tailor two responses to the CMV as such.

Women should be wild and free, then committed to a man, then committed to her children

Women with this mentality ought never to marry. They have adopted a stance that precludes them from being bonded to an individual man (unless the man is neuroplastic and changes as much as she does and at the exact same times and in complementary ways...not likely). You could make the argument that the woman is best served by marrying the father of her children and divorcing him after becoming pregnant, thus securing his resources while still maintaining sexual freedom. This path is so awful for her children and society in general that I hope no sane person ever argues for it.

Women should vet the perfect man, tailoring herself such that they have the best possible life together with the strongest possible pair bond

Ever hear of the saying, "if you want to be the general's wife, you must first marry the lieutenant?" A man's diligence, temperament, loyalty, potential, and sense of honor are revealed very quickly to a woman who asks the right questions. Marrying this man at a young age maximizes their pair bond and ensures that his loyalty and honor will kick in, meaning the woman and her children will be set for life.

Please reply specifically to the view you hold. Especially please reply if you feel you don't fit into either of these camps and tell me what you do believe.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

She should fuck all the hot guys she's attracted to and then marry one of them when she's bored of new dick.

[–]the_calibre_cat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hard to argue that this isn't the best advice for women. If you can do this, and women can, why wouldn't they? Why shouldn't they?

[–]JameisBong3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The life expectancy was lower,tinder wasn't a thing and college was something only intellectuals aspired to go to.

[–]unicorns-Married Feminist3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I got married at 23. I hate dating, I’m not into partying or going to clubs either. I made an online friend, we started flirting and stuff, and started an online relationship, then got married.

A lot of women aren’t into those sorts of things. I’d argue the reason a lot of women aren’t marrying young is because a lot of young men aren’t so eager to get married in their 20s, and women aren’t pushing them as much as they did in previous generations.

[–]TheSuperStink 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

Women should wait until after college to marry, same as men.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

By after college we mean a good 10 years at least.

Gotta get it all out the system.

[–]TheSuperStink 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

People have various reason for getting married or not. Some don't because they want to be "wild and free", some just want to focus on other things.

My fiancée has a doctorate. She barely dated for years because she heavily focused on her academics. She didn't have to get it out her system, because she was never terribly interested in that lifestyle.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

She barely dated for years because she heavily focused on her academics. She didn't have to get it out her system

"Dating" is not what is implied with "getting it put of her system". You can be heavily focused on academics and still hook up with guys a couple of nights a month. I had friends who did just that. Women are also incentivized to lie about their sexual history due to how much slut shaming goes on. I'm sure she said she was a "good girl" but there's no way to know, and it's not really your business what she does with her body so why tell the truth?

[–]equanimous_samsarasyrup of ipecac8 points9 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

It's only after she's truly lived it up, had the most blissful sex and forgotten more guys than she can remember can she ever settle down. By then you (yes you) will have just got your promotion in the engineering department, the boss loves you and most importantly, she loves you too.

This just makes it look like you're trying to provoke anger in men using a kind of half-mocking tone. The whole post, actually but especially that part.

[–]Thatbiengsaid4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea most posts by OP are of the provocateur variety posted to irritate younger mostly redpill people and get a laugh out of it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Out of all the losers there was certainly a clear winner.

[–]equanimous_samsarasyrup of ipecac2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

winner of what? And what were the other men unsuccessfully vying for that makes them "losers"?

I don't necessarily disagree with your conclusion, but again the way you frame everything just looks like you're trying hard to troll. It's not even subtle.

[–]Jackpot807Purple Pill Man0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Sex

[–]equanimous_samsarasyrup of ipecac1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

lol winner of sex? Are you referring to all the guys who fucked her first?

[–]Jackpot807Purple Pill Man1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

No I’m talking about the guys who have sex period.

You don’t know how rare it is for an average man to get some, do you?

[–]equanimous_samsarasyrup of ipecac2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I really think you're misreading the conversation we were having. The "other men" were also getting sex from her, the "winner" is just the sap who marries her according to /u/blessedrainsinafrica.

[–]Jackpot807Purple Pill Man1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No that’s true as well, alpha fucks beta bucks and whatnot

Women have been given the keys to have perfect hedonism and most will abuse that, since relationships require effort. So why not just stay single and when the time comes strap down the lucky beta so you can have your cake and eat it too, right?

[–]equanimous_samsarasyrup of ipecac1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How is he actually "lucky" though? I mean non-sarcastically, what makes that guy lucky?

[–]Jackpot807Purple Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He’s not I was being sarcastic

[–]Hungry_AFYour friendly neighborhood misandrist1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You don’t know how rare it is for an average man to get some, do you?

It’s not rare at all.

[–]Jackpot807Purple Pill Man-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Gee, friendly neighborhood misandrist I guess you’re right since you clearly know more about men

[–]Hungry_AFYour friendly neighborhood misandrist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do. Most straight women are too blinded by dick to accept the true nature of men, and of course men themselves are delusional morons with over-inflated egos.

[–]SeemedGood 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yet more reasons why men just shouldn’t marry or LTR ever these days.

[–]DesignerDebates3 small children in a trench coat[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is tagged as CMV. Top level responses must challenge OP’s view. You can post under the automod.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This flips hypergamy on its head so I’m guessing you are not red pill. Neither am I but this doesnt appear true for many women either. Young women still have and want boyfriends, not a revolving door of men. Most young people engage in serial monogamy until they marry, women included. While the commitment is not as serious, they are still doing LTRs.

Your OP also seems to imply young men want to marry young, which also is not the case. Most people date and LTR a bit before marriage. Couples are also typically together for years before marriage, I believe the average is 3-4 years.

[–]whichbladeNA Paler Shade of Purple2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Isn't getting into a LTR at a young age the same thing as getting married young?

You can be just as wild and free in a LTR as you can be in a marriage.

[–]GradualDecomp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. There's still a sense of freedom with an LTR. Both parties are aware that they can walk out whenever they want. A sense of freedom is just as important as an action of freedom.

That's why I haven't ever married. I get a greater level of satisfaction knowing that my SO and I are together because we want to be, not because we're avoiding a painful, complex, and expensive divorce.

I do understand the appeal of marriage, though.

[–]Offhisgame2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Anyone else really curious what these guys look like? To be this insecure and upset must create terrible wrinkles

[–]KikiYuyuPurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women want to be young, wild and free.

Sure. More and more, people want to enjoy adult life without adding more responsibilities to themselves right away.

Young women are hot, horny and have access to an endless supply of attractive men; this is what they really want.

Oh... this is another post by a silly red piller who thinks the average woman bangs a different guy every week. Smh

[–]Theseus_The_KingI’m a lady king dang nammit!2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When you're 18 you hardly know who you are as a person, so how can you know what you bring to a relationship? Back when earlier marriage was the norm, divorce was less of an option, and when it did become an option, a lot of those early married couples did end up divorcing later in life.

[–]DaphneDK42King of LBFMs4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

and you see people who get married at 18 just having failed marriages.

What's so bad about breaking up after a span of years? I want to propose an alternative definition of a succesful marriage: 1) Stay married for a number of years; 2) Have some kids; 3) Part on reasonable amicable terms.

[–]flamingoinghomeIs three lizards in trench coat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like that--and tbh, there's a fair amount of research showing that humans in general are "naturally wired" for serial monogamy in 5-7 year spans. I've always thought it was a bit funny how, even in libertine circles, this is completely forbidden to openly pursue.

[–]Nodoxxintoxin1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Span of years to raise children to adulthood hopefully? Five to seven years leaves lots of adolescents raised in poverty and kids without male role models.

[–]Texastentialism 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

The new narrative I've noticed is that divorce is actually good for kids because what kids really need is to see their parents be haaaaaaappy. 🙄

[–]Nodoxxintoxin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sadly, it probably is better for people who simply cannot adult, fight in front of kids, and act like children themselves :(

[–]TheBookOfSeilAn ounce of Snu Snu is worth a pound of cure0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

“Adulthood” in natural terms is different from “adulthood” in legal terms.

[–]Nodoxxintoxin1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

And neither one is 5 to 7 years old

[–]TheBookOfSeilAn ounce of Snu Snu is worth a pound of cure0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

“Adulthood” in natural terms means “old enough or able enough to care for oneself.”

The legal system prevents people at that age from being able to do this, but in a world more inline with nature, younger people would have been able to do this.

Also, the way in which we lived was more communal after a certain point, so a single parent missing wouldn’t have been an issue, as younger people would’ve been able to learn from those around them. It wasn’t always a small family unit of three or four versus the world.

[–]Nodoxxintoxin1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Old enough to care for themselves. Which is not 5 or 7.

[–]TheBookOfSeilAn ounce of Snu Snu is worth a pound of cure0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

According to what?

[–]Nodoxxintoxin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol. You think a 7 year old can survive on his or her own? Have you ever even seen one? Or are you just trolling

For reference https://goo.gl/images/kpXRuF

[–]thrownaway2thewind0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's the point of dating if you have no intention of staying together?

[–]DaphneDK42King of LBFMs5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Isn't the theory that men are the gatekeepers of relationships (and women guardians of the wet hole). If men are gatekeepers of relationships, then it stands to reason that the cause of declining relationship rates are to be found with men.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

That theory is bullshit.

If anything I see men more desperate for relationships than women.

[–]DaphneDK42King of LBFMs11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You see a lot of 18-22yo men desperate (and ready) for relationships and marriage? I'd like to know where that place is you see them.

[–]the_calibre_cat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most men aren't capable of getting casual sex. They know this. Thus, relationships are their only key to getting any.

[–]SharK3D0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Boys =/= Men. You need to understand that part for the theory to make sense.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Marrying young is a trade off. There is no “perfect” solution. If you’re a woman your time to maximize your partner is far more limited than men. So yes, travel the world when young, move cities, date casually, but you may wake up at 27 unable to attract commitment like you used to. Of course you can get by and have best of both worlds, but it’s a risk

College used to be the ideal place to find a partner. That’s mostly gone out the window.

[–]WhatIsTheMeaningHere1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok, they can be young wild and free over there and leave me alone.

[–]PlantainNationalism3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Marriage in the West has been destroyed by the logic of capitalism. It's a racket. Getting married in America is like dousing yourself in gasoline.

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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is so much that is factually wrong about this OP and many of the comments that I am literally speechless.

HEY STEMTARDS: YOU ACTUALLY CANNOT MAKE UP YOUR OWN HISTORY AND HAVE IT BE "JUST AS VALID" AS ACTUAL HISTORY. IF YOU CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO ACTUALLY DO A FUCKING GOOGLE SEARCH ON AVERAGE AGE AT MARRIAGE AT VARIOUS POINTS IN THE WEST, THEN DON'T WASTE OUR FUCKING TIME, YOU TOTALLY IGNORANT PIECES OF SHIT.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

how could this be?

THERE WAS THIS WHOLE THING CALLED THE 60S, THE SEXUAL REVOLUTION AND THE WOMENS LIBERATION MOVEMENT IN THE 20TH CENTURY

maybe some of you have heard of it

[–]Pastelitomaracucho0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Not getting married young enough puts you at risk of becoming a single, childless woman once looks start fading. So there's decisions to make.

A middle ground is perfectly feasible by having enough fun and settling down while attractiveness and youth are still there.

Of course, all of this comes from the idea that the more sex the better our lives will be and that idea is flawed. More and more sex doesn't necessarily bring more happiness.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Life is not about happiness, it is about triumph.

Triumph while staring into the face of the abyss.

You see darkness, you see death. Then the right amount of dick makes you see the light. Tall bushy trees and a nice salty beach. You soar above your present state. You just learnt to fly.

[–]flamingoinghomeIs three lizards in trench coat8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Are...are you trolling? Or...profoundly high? Like really, really high, on some shit I'd like a bit of myself?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Think I just had a long day at work

[–]Pastelitomaracucho0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bravo, my dude. Take some well deserved rest.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

With this, it stereotypes is this whole idea that marriage and committed relationships suck. It's in my conclusion that certain kinds of people are only meant for certain kinds of relationships. If you're someone who hates the drag and the constant process of committing to someone, you're not made for long term relationships and especially marriage. That's a fact.

On the contrary, if you're someone who needs that deep connection in your life and that commitment towards love, LTRs and marriage is for you.

This applies to anyone of any age and applies to both men and women. People have to start learning to be in romantic relationships with others not because they seek a selfish social advantage but because they are actually most happy in life when involved in a committed LTR.

If 2 people want to get married at 18 and they're on board for understanding what SHOULD BE a life long commitment, let them. If there's people in their 50's who want to swing and live like they're young, who cares? Let them have at it. If a woman or a man wants to stay a bachelor or bachelorette until their 30's and 40's, so be it.

[–]Lancebanks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting point. I feel as if it can 2 ways they either don’t want to get married young or they want to. Where I live there’s been several girls who have married early for the military and other reasons. I always wonder will they regret getting married/engaged between 19-22

[–]Irl_girl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gay men hook up constantly and compulsively. Lesbians move in on the second date. Case closed.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This post is so dramatic, it almost sounds like a joke.

We do not live in the time where getting married at 18 is the norm. You are also forgetting one main aspect as to why people got married young and that was because **men pursued their careers and women pursued being SAHM** That was the dynamic. So yes, men were getting young women, getting married, having kids and mostly doing that all with one income. That is not financially feasible today.

Secondly,

How could this be? Simple. Women want to be young, wild and free. Young women are hot, horny and have access to an endless supply of attractive men; this is what they really want She can't miss this opportunity; this is not just a want this is a need too.

Are you forgetting that it takes two to tango? Do you think men are also wanting marriage and are pursuing girls do just that? Or as men now (Oh look, TRP) finding ways to go and fuck as many as they can and not settle down with them.

Who at the day in age *wants* to be married that young? You are still a child, you don't even know who you are yet and what you want. Reverse the genders and its true for men. This is not a women thing, this is a young adult living in 2019 thing.

I don't get it. So many guys talk about the past and how women were ideal back then yet forget the responsibility the man had to carry in order to achieve that. Yet, they call those people betas. It just does not make sense.

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

agreed. marriage has never benefited women, only males who got mommywife bangmaid for free.

hell, women were expected to take the husband's name, ffs, which in my opinion shouldnt have existed in the first place, but whatever.

women should abolish marriage altogether.

[–]shipiaoziGynocentrism patriarchy is great0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Marry before 20 or 22 is illegal in China, but some people did de facto marry in 16 or 14.

Free market failed like US healthcare system when people don't know the price. Female devalue faster than male, and devalued more in relationship due to paternity uncertainty. Marry earlier sacrifice the enjoyment of STR with high value partner in exchange of get better LTR partner.

[–]HalfysRedditIndependent thinker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Getting married young doesn't often times work because it's a bad idea. It was done throughout a lot of human history because we didn't have so much faith that we would grow into old age (life expectancy was much shorter), not to mention religious and cultural influences that aren't as strong nowadays.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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