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Something I see a lot of in this sub is men who like to claim that they wouldn’t be with women with high n counts because it lowers their ability to sustain a long term relationship, but how many men would actually date the women on the opposite end of the spectrum? Women who are virgins in their mid to latw twenties.


[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

I would. There's not really much experience you need as a woman to be good at sex and as far as I'm concerned men don't rate sexual performance the way women do so her being a virgin is hardly any practical issue as long as she's acutally an adult woman with a realistic view of sex I don't really see an issue. If she has completely unrealistic views of sexual relationships then that would be an issue.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Men dont rate performance? Never heard a guy say she's like a sack of spuds or dead fish? Of course they do I've had married men visit me as an escort because their partner was unadventurous and crap in bed, they told me themselves lol

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

There's some rating obviously - but nowhere close to the level women do. Of course if she scratches your eyes out that's bad sex but that obviously falls outside the scope of what I mean by "rating sexual performance". And sure - some guys have different expectations than others. And yes -occasionally I've seen the "starfish" complaint.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

And what evidence have you got to support your belief women rate performance more? I'd say there's a significant percentage of women who couldn't care less and just want their husband to hurry up and nut and gtfo Her lmao

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Anectdotal evidence of course. I don't run large scale psychology studies. I wish I could and'd have the money but if I had the money I'd invest it into research into early mental health intervention approaches instead I'm afraid.

just want their husband to hurry up and nut and gtfo

That doesn't sound like she's enjoying it then...

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No but Its a common occurrence in married women with low sex drives.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. Usually I argue about women within my age group and in this case the discussion is restricted to dating. For obvious reason: no statement is going to apply to people of all ages and all cultures. It doesn't make sense for me to argue about how it works for people 40y+ because I don't know and it doesn't effect me.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Its not just older women who have low sex drives lol.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm aware of that.

[–]WhatIsTheMeaningHere0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

And what evidence have you got to support your belief women rate performance more?

Attractive men are picky about sex because they have a never-ending supply. The average dude is just happy to get to sex.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

What on earth has that got to do with rating performance? Lol!

[–]WhatIsTheMeaningHere1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Attractive dudes rate performance. Average dudes don't.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol yeah right. Less good looking men are actually the absolute worst when it comes to rating women's looks and performance.for instance Attractive men are the nicest to less good looking women this Is a fact because they don't have anything to prove like less good looking more insecure men do. Average men are the nastiest to women of all lol. Only ever saw average and ugly men treat my overweight below average friend badly. Hot giuys just treated her like a human because being nice to her won't lessen his perceived social status and actually makes him seem even better because he's being friendly to an ugly girl.

[–]WhatIsTheMeaningHere0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

We're talking about sex here not looks. I'm saying that if the average guy has a woman that lets him get to sex, the nastiness doesn't become an issue. They're thankful just for the opportunity to have sex. Attractive dudes are probably more picky because they have a wide variety of sex experiences and know what is good and bad. All sex is good sex to an average man because he's not getting any that often.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

and this is such bullshit. Average men are the worst because they feel they have to slats the women they fuck (especially since average guys can only usually get average or ugly girls) because it helps him fit on with the boy's. Looks do come into it because the uglier the woman the worst she will be criticised

There's also the fact that good looking people in general can have a warmer view on life and other people due to the better treatment they receive that causes them to be nice to everyone. Ive seen this play out so many times in my life. Ugly men are also the worst for attempting to neg women down because its the only way they can get laid NY making women feel so shit about themselves they decide to fuck his ugly ass lol the only time I ever experienced negging was by an ugly fuck with a massive head lol

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

An answer I can agree with

[–]JezebeltheQueen5656Crushing males' ego since 19930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

what is a realistic view on sex and relationship?

[–]KingWithoutClothes 1 points [recovered]  (26 children) | Copy Link

Well, I had my first time with the girl I later ended up marrying. It was also her first time. We were both 22 at the time. So... take this as you will.

To be, this whole virgin-issue is so difficult to discuss because most people leave out the nuances. For example hardly anyone ever asks why someone is still a virgin at 25 or 27. There are tons of reasons for this and not all of them are related to be being an ugly, socially inept basement-dweller. For example the reason I lost my virginity quite late is because I have a physical disability. I consider myself fairly handsome and gregarious but it is a fact that finding partners - especially sexual partners is much harder when you're disabled. Especially with the disability I have. My girlfriend (and now wife) on the other hand comes from South Korea, which is a very conservative culture. While her parents aren't religious, they are very strict. She basically spent her entire youth studying 15 hours a day at school (yes, her school day LITERALLY lasted from 8am - 11pm). There was simply no time or energy to do anything with guys. Let alone the fact that her parents wouldn't have allowed it. And even once she got into university, things remained difficult... until she visited my country and met me, that is. In South Korea, it is actually very normal for people to lose their virginity late. This is particularly true if they come from the kind of upper-middle class bubble that my wife comes from, where parents are usually super tough about education and want you to become the next Supreme Court Justice and world-famous surgeon. Pretty much all of my wife's girlfriends lost their virginity after her. One of them lost it just recently, around the age of 29.

So yes, I would absolutely date (and marry) a girl who is still a virgin in her mid or late 20s because I understand there are tons of reasons why this might be the case. Her virginity is honestly not a big issue to me. What I care about is that she is sweet, kind, empathetic, understanding, loyal, honest... those kind of things.

The reason I probably wouldn't date a woman with a "high count" is not because I think of them in a bad way but simply because I believe we wouldn't fit together. For example a woman who dates a lot and has sex with lots of guys presumably likes to party a lot too. She probably likes going out a lot, going to nightclubs and stuff like that. Contrary to that, I am very much a homebody. I do enjoy going out for dinner or movie dates but I don't enjoy doing anything "wild". I'm not into bars or nightclubs or other nightlife related activities. Hence, such a woman would probably find me very boring, while I would probably find her hyperactive and too "wild". It just wouldn't be a good match.

[–]crumblesnatch 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

In South Korea, it is actually very normal for people to lose their virginity late.

A little off-topic, but I find it really interesting how common it is for men in South Korea to lose their virginity to older women.

Thanks to mandatory military service, women get a two-year head start on their careers and the men get a two-year head start on parental independence. So there's this sweet-spot cohort of 25-30yo noonas with disposable income happy to wine-and-dine the fit 20-25yo military guys.

[–]KingWithoutClothes 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, that is indeed an interesting phenomenon.

[–]aznphenix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmmmmm maybe the other way split on my aunt and uncle make sense now.

[–]rathyAro1 point2 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

The reason I probably wouldn't date a woman with a "high count" is not because I think of them in a bad way but simply because I believe we wouldn't fit together. For example a woman who dates a lot and has sex with lots of guys presumably likes to party a lot too. She probably likes going out a lot, going to nightclubs and stuff like that. Contrary to that, I am very much a homebody. I do enjoy going out for dinner or movie dates but I don't enjoy doing anything "wild". I'm not into bars or nightclubs or other nightlife related activities. Hence, such a woman would probably find me very boring, while I would probably find her hyperactive and too "wild". It just wouldn't be a good match.

Couldn't you determine if you're a good fit for eachother without n-count factoring in at all? What if she had a high n-count, but didn't exhibit any of the qualities you mentioned you disliked? Didn't you just talk about how people who lose their virginity late can do so for a whole bunch of reasons? Why can't that be true for having a high n-count?

[–]KingWithoutClothes 1 points [recovered]  (9 children) | Copy Link

Sure. And that is why I said "probably". Obviously the number of a woman's sexual partners is not something I would ask about on our first date. Or even on our fifth date for that matter. So, by the time I found out about her number, I would probably already know if we were a good match or not. I just believe that a high number - even if I don't know it - tends to correlate with people who I would not match well with.

In other words: I don't claim that high numbers lead to unfitting personalities. Rather, I claim that women who are naturally "wild", and "party-girls" and "extroverted" and whatever else you'd like to call it, tend to be more likely to be promiscuous. If I were single and I happened to meet a girl who was somehow super innocent and pure but at the same time still had a high count, that would probably be fine. I just don't think that'd be very likely.

When I met my wife, one of the things I really loved about her was her unstained purity. Not in regard to sexuality (though she was pure in that sense too) but in regard to personality. It's kind of hard to explain this but in some ways she seemed almost like a child... in a good way. She trusts people very easily, she is very carefree and positive-spirited. She wasn't skeptical of me, likely because she hadn't met a bunch of dickhead machos before and made shitty experiences. I'm a very sweet guy in general but when I noticed this about her, it made me want to be even sweeter to her. She was like this cute little puppy and I loved that. It is something that frankly, I have never experienced with any western girl.

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I don't know what to say about you. A girl that looks innocent and has high n count is way dangerous than any wild girl.

There was a researcher who conducted an experiment on children in which he put a candy in front of them and asked them not to eat the candy for 15 minutes. Then he looked at them after 15 years or so he found out kids who ate candy very early were unsuccessful in life and those who didn't ate candy were very successful in life.

The main point of this experiment is temptation. Some people are tempted more than other and it's the reason for unsuccessful life. A person with high n-count in early life is also a sign that person is very easily distracted by temptations so they do make bad long term partner it's as simple as that. And they often have chaotic lifestyle. While this can't be said for all but it's valid for most promiscuous people.

[–]KingWithoutClothes 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

I know the Marshmallow test and it has been determined to be inaccurate in more recent research (the original test was conducted in the 1970s).

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/jun/01/famed-impulse-control-marshmallow-test-fails-in-new-research

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/experimentations/201805/does-the-marshmallow-test-really-predict-success

Also, to compare women to marshmallows is frankly ridiculous.

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I am not saying about impulse control, I am saying about temptations. Will power and Temptation are two different things. A person with high n-count will be tempted to have more sex with different people and thus are bad choice for long term relationships. The experiment only shows that some children feel less tempted for all things in life than others while it can also mean that some children are less tempted to marshmallows. If you look at either scenarios, a person with high n-count is a bad choice for partner in relationship regardless of gender.

Edit: You could factor in mental illness but still it does make them bad partner. If you are looking for open relationship then they are good partners.

[–]KingWithoutClothes 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

First of all, you should read the articles. The marshmallow test claimed there is a direct link between will power and temptations, as well as will power and overall social development. This, however, is not the case as new research indicates.

Furthermore, being in a relationship with a promiscuous person is not necessarily a problem. For example there are a lot of couples who engage in a variety of non-traditional styles, whether it is the odd threesome with a friend, a totally open relationship, or even polyamory.

I just don't think that a person with a high count would have fitted to me personally (or would do so if I was single now). And I refuse to make universal statements about what is morally good or bad according to my subjective taste as you seem to do.

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Dude you are reading the conclusion of the marshmallow test but I am just using the test results and making an inference. If you have read about brain then you would know that every person have same amount of willpower but some people are more tempted for some things than others. Willpower controlling also makes the issue more worse and can damage your health.

This I have also said that high n-count are good for open Relationships.

But these are minority. Most people aren't cucks who would want to share their most intimate person with other people. So yeah they are bad for long term monogamous Relationships.

[–]KingWithoutClothes 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

"But these are minority. Most people aren't cucks who would want to share their most intimate person with other people. So yeah they are bad for long term monogamous Relationships."

Thanks for outing yourself as an arrogant, prejudiced right-wing asshole who thinks he is some kind of moral priest. I am now officially done talking to you. I will not have discussions with authoritarian fascists who think their taste/lifestyle is the only true one and everyone else should be insulted as "cucks". Bye.

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am not some moral priest. If you show me some cases in which open Relationships ended with till death do us apart sort or if anyone introduced some other system that can replace monogamous marriage I will happy to oblige. I highly doubt that the woman in polyamory would want to divide her husband's assets at time of dead with other people whom they had sex with. What would be dynamics for child care in case of divorce etc.

When you are insulting me by calling me authoritarian fascists, I do think you are the one who truly think their ideology is the only true one. Come up with a social structure to replace marriage that is inclusive for all relationships before calling me something otherwise they are truly cucks if you look them from socially acceptable standards. I am also done with hypocrite.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha omg this was me. Cute innocent face and sweet personality but seriously horny and had a high n count at 18. Still never made a difference I've had guys fight over me on three different occasions. Not every cute innocent seeming girl really is innocent lol

[–]Moldy_GeckoPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

So, list the reasons beyond their control for a high n-count and I think we can discuss this. He gave some examples why you might be a virgin, perhaps you can list some why They would have a high n-count,

[–]rathyAro0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

reasons beyond their control

Didn't say anything about not being in their control. Just saying that it doesn't mean that it's because they like to party or are extroverted.

I have a friend who is mostly a homebody and she has a high n-count. I have no idea why she used to sleep around. Maybe she's just sexually open and doesn't feel guilt about it? Maybe she was young and horny? Maybe she's insecure and fucking around helps? I really don't know.

[–]ColdSetting 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Note that when the woman or about a nanny?

[–]rathyAro0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

?

[–]Moldy_GeckoPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

So, how does your friend go and meet these guys? She just swiping right on Tinder all day, Then Netflix and chilling? If so, I don't see how that's a very desirable trait either. That's definitely a sign of some mental health issues. Daddy issues or the inability to cope being allne.

[–]rathyAro0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I think it's not hard to get laid as a woman just existing in regular life. She may have partied in college though. In any case I only argued that having a high n-count doesn't imply that a girl parties or is extroverted.

That's definitely a sign of some mental health issues

Your basic premise is that having a high n-count is bad. It really doesn't matter how or why it happened to you because you just find it inherently undesirable.

[–]Moldy_GeckoPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

It does matter why/how. The why/how is why it's undesirable.

[–]rathyAro0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

She just swiping right on Tinder all day, Then Netflix and chilling? If so, I don't see how that's a very desirable trait either.

A fairly high n-count is like 12 right? So if we're talking about someone who is 25 they could have been in 2 LTRs spanning 4 years total and they could have reasonably started having sex at 16. So that's 5 years of slutting up. That would be 2 right swipes every year.

So what about this description reveals undesirable traits?

[–]Moldy_GeckoPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Maybe I'm in the wrong mind of thinking. 12 at 25 isn't high to me at all. My ex wife had 12 at 27. Last FWB (dated 9 mos.) had 8 at 24. I feel like these numbers are average. When we talking high, I'm thinking 30+ at 25. Shit, I knew an 18 year old that was 100+.

[–]rathyAro0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh, I'm not sure I know anyone who has numbers that high tbh. It's hard to say without asking women what their n-count is and that will just get me slapped lol.

[–]Taipanshimshonhere for the downvotes13 points14 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Ideal somewhere in between.

Depends on the context and reason.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Depends on the context and reason.

This. There's not enough context given. Why is she a virgin? That's my main question.

[–]UEMcGillRed Pill Man-1 points0 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Right? 22 year old, attractive and fit with good family values that's a prize. 27 and a ham beast who looks like jiggly puff? That's a participation trophy.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

So really its all about looks lol. We already know this! Men are so hypergamous

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey0 points1 point  (21 children) | Copy Link

What a useless statement. Of course looks matter. Anyone (male or female) who says otherwise is a liar.

Looks are what attract initially. The rest (personality/empathy/culture/talent/etc) and what keep us there.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Then the issue isnt even her virginity its all about her appearance this is why attractive single mother's with high n count have no problem getting ltr with decent guys its because they are hot let's not beat around the Bush virginity and n count don't matter to most men its appearance and appearance alone that matters. I knew this anyway lmao

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

this is why attractive single mother's with high n count have no problem getting ltr with decent guys its because they are hot men are thirsty as fuck.

That looks right now. Even if we accept a woman with a high N count we are aware of it. It's in spite of that. And even then it depends on how high. Women know this to be true. That's why we, as men, get lies about count and "How dare you ask that the past is the past!!!!" when we even ask.

Personally I don't even ask. I just pay attention to her behavior. Most will out themselves based on how they act and how they speak.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Care to expand on how one acts or speaks when they have a high n count? Lol!!

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Ok - knowing this is probably pointless considering the contentious nature/wording of the question.

Taking it back a step (and the cliff notes version). If you accept that people are prone to telling us with words how they want to be seen - how they want to perceive themselves - continuously - then we're at least starting on the same page.

I have a very long time friend, as an example, that regularly starts statements with the words "I'm the kind of man who <blah blah blah>", and it never occurs to him that if he was really that kind of man he would never have to say so. In point of fact if <blah blah blah> was actually true he would never need to make the statement. The people around him would see that from his behavior. What he does. How he acts.

So with that in mind the first thing a woman says to tell me she's got a high N count amounts to unsolicited virtue signaling. "I never move this fast" or "I never act this way" are great examples. This says to me that:

A- This is clearly not true

B- She's aware that it's less than optimal behavior over time

C- She's also aware that this is not what I'm looking for in someone that means more than right-now-sex to me.

And as things get more comfortable other things will slip. I had an ex (back when the Sex in the City movie was coming out). We're sitting on the couch watching TV and one of the trailers comes on. Kim Cattrall's character comes on and says "it's only cheating if you get caught" (or something to that effect) and she does the whole ebonics head roll and says "That's right girl!". Literally with me sitting next to her. I gave her a chance. "What did you just say" said I. She would not back down. Looked at me like I was simple for having a problem with the statement. Game over, Gtfo.

If a woman has a hard time taking responsibility for her actions and consequences that's a great indicator. If everything that happens is always someone else's fault. Had another ex who told me essentially that she'd stepped out on every single guy she'd been with and that it had been their fault because they "hadn't been meeting her needs". That last bit is ver batim.

Does she avoid certain topics.

Can she/does she make eye contact.

How's her posture when she's with you (as opposed to, say, in pictures/videos when she's with her friends)

The list goes on, of course. And very few are damning by themselves. Usually taken as an aggregate the story they tell is a compelling one. Because people tell us all of every day who they really are if we're paying attention.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You obviously massively over think and overanalyze things which must come across extremely creepy tbh. This post just screams psychopath for some reason,?

That woman might have been hinting her exes were shit in bed and she was hoping you were better lol only an insecure man cares about shit like that. Bet your a barrel of laughs to be with lol!!

[–]WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Attacking the person instead of the idea. This post just screams someone who knows they're wrong and can't come to terms with it/is intellectually (and probably emotionally) deficient. You know. TBH.

[–]UEMcGillRed Pill Man-1 points0 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

A woman is the sum of her decisions. Fat, and poor health, a woman literally wears her choices like a big sign that say "I can't make good decisions!"

A woman who saves herself because she has values, takes care of her appearance and fitness also says something about her choices on first impression. She brings a potential mate the ability to be a suitable First Officer.

As far as "attractive mothers" getting LTR's and n-count and virginity not mattering to most men, I'll say this, just because they're are thirsty losers out there who are willing to raise some other schmucks spawn doesn't mean those women aren't still a ball of poor decisions. There's a difference between suitable high quality woman and plate. Just because a woman is the latter doesn't mean she can get upgraded to the former.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What the heck has being fat got to do with notch count? They are two seperate issues. So a woman made poor decisions if her kids dad died? More common than is thought tbh. Also you can't tell someone's notch count from looking at them also there are some people who are fat because of hormone issues and medication and I know this to be a fact because when my hormones returned to normal after kids and extra hair grown in pregnancy fell out the baby weight literally fell off Me at the same time and there was no difference to ly activity levels or eating habits and I know three other mums who the exact same thing happened to. Maybe stop judging people particularly if you dont like the same heijg done to you

[–]UEMcGillRed Pill Man-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So a woman made poor decisions if her kids dad died?

Outliers do not make a pattern, this is a scarecrow argument. Single moms, are a majority of the time single moms because someone made poor decisions.

Like I said, fat girls = Poor decisions. You can find an outlier here or there, steroids, or thyroid, but I'd bet the reality is 90% are fat because of self control problems.

My wife worked out and was back to her healthy body weight within a month after twins and a single. She made good decisions and managed her pregnancy well.

Maybe stop judging people particularly if you dont like the same heijg done to you

What does this even mean? I don't care if someone judges me. Where did I ever say that? You know what they wont say about me? I'm fat. Because I go to the gym and manage my life.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hormones effect everyone differently. Your an absolute melt If you dont understand that. Genetics also come into it with pregnancy. Stop talking like you know a damn thing about women's bodies you toad lol

There is actually plenty of evidence being fat van be caused by medication and hormones look into it instead of using anecdotes about people who obviously dont have those problems.

Again where Is your evidence the majority mde poor decisions? This Is just your personal opinion which Is a bit retarded since there are many different circumstances a person could end up a single parent and not just women either. You are extremely judgemental tbh.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

These women are not plates they are in committed relationships with good looking men and have gone on to have another child together and are still together after several years. Stop talking RP bollocks lol.

Also poor health isnt always caused by bad decisions lol what a stupid thing to say.

[–]UEMcGillRed Pill Man-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Again, show me where I said that they were high quality women. Just because they were in relationships? Just because they managed to eek out a relationship for a couple of years? Two fucked up people in a relationship doesn't make it a success.

Also poor health isnt always caused by bad decisions lol what a stupid thing to say.

Here's a little ditty for you from the Center for Science

https://cspinet.org/eating-healthy/why-good-nutrition-important

Literally 60% of the list is because of poor choices. Now who's saying stupid things?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

So 40% isnt. Read my comment again you empty headed melon lol!

People can be born with poor health dont sdd your point. And yes true but these people arnt exactly messed up you arnt messed up just because your a single parent what planet do you even live on, I know a girl who is single because her husband and babies dad died in a car accident when she was pregnant, what a terrible choice to make that was.

[–]UEMcGillRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

So 60% constitutes a majority right? So I'd be safe to say that a majority of people in early to middle age are in poor health because of poor decisions? That's not untrue is it?

Sucks for your friend, but how does one anecdotal story explain the rest of those other single moms shitty life choices?

Oh, call me an asshole too. It's my number one nickname.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you're hot and still a virgin that means you have incredible standards. If I as a person meet those impossible standards it's very validating because it means I'm obviously doing the right things in my life. If you're a disgusting pig and I'm the first guy to EVER fuck you, I'm literally scraping the bottom of the barrel.

So yeah it is about appearance, but it's also what that appearance says about the both of us.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. So men are hypergamous.

[–]The_Frag_Man5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would.

[–]gilliandrew9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

i was 19 the first time i had sex. i didnt tell the dude. he had no idea. and reading so many of these comments, im glad i didnt tell him. it was none of his business.

this fixation on the female body hymen thing and this mythical virginity concept is a huge turnoff.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it's creepy when a man fetishizes virginity

[–]Massgumption10 points11 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Definitely, she will be far more emotionally stable, less privileged and less likely to look for better options unless she's mistreated. Once a girl has been around the block, she gets "Princess syndrome", realises the power she has over men (also how easy/expendable they are) and basically acts like you've won the lottery to to be with her.

The gfs I've had were virgins (or close to) were far nicer and more grateful on everyday niceties, and the highest n count tended to blow a casket when you make one tiny mistake...

[–]BadgerwithaPickaxe5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think you’re conflating “less privileged” with “is a little more picky.”

Once someone knows what they like and they have experienced someone or something that satisfies it, they set a standard.

Princess syndrome is real, but super uncommon. It kinda sounds like you want a girl that doesn’t have a standard so no she doesn’t know if you’re doing a bad job or not at being a boyfriend. That goes for in or out of the bedroom.

They won’t get mad at you for “one mistake” because they haven’t had to deal with the consequences of that mistake yet.

I met a girl that had boyfriend that convinced her she was “broken” because he couldn’t make her cum. Her next relationship she came 4 times the first time they sex.

[–]Massgumption2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Princess syndrome is super real, how often does a girl get angry for something absolutely rediculous (e.g he forgot to put softener in the wash) or a small comment/misunderstanding, whilst when it's the other way around she simply laughs it off or cries if it's serious so you basically can't be angry.

Just look around, you'll see guys in restaurants with an angry pouty bitch of a girl and him trying to cheer her up, but the other way around does not fuckin exist...

[–]BadgerwithaPickaxe2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Becuase girls get upset more than guys do becuase girls are just more emotional than guys. Their emotions fuck them up a lot harder sometimes. Guys also aren’t told that they can show their emotions out in public, but it is accepted for girls. This is slowly changing.

You have to also understand that you’re not seeing the whole relationship. You’re seeing a girl get mad at her boyfriend at a restaurant because he forgot something small. You see a man comforting his girlfriend because she’s upset about how her food came out.

What you don’t see is the moments that lead up to them. You don’t see the stress either of them are under. You don’t see that it may just be the final straw of everything that had happened prior. You don’t see the context in which it is happening. My Ex once balled her eyes out when she saw a donkey that had a harness on and it looked sad. It was so bad that I got dirty looks from a lot of people walking by as I was comforting her. It’s not her fault, it wasn’t mine.

There are definitely girls who act entitled, but there are men that do it too. Men and women’s entitlement in a relationship shows up different ways. An entitled woman may be very verbal about her complaints in public, while an entitled man may be whiney when it comes to sex.

You have to realize that what you see on tv and on reddit is not the norm. We love extreme stories so we look for them. Most relationships are pretty normal.

[–]Massgumption1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No mate, I've bloody experience this myself too with multiple girls.. it's not that girls are emotional, they are, but they have the added cocktail of also being unable to truly empathise with someone else, there emotions hit so hard they have no way of understanding how you never set out to hurt them or were trying your best, it's like any form of logic dissolves. I've had a huge argument before trying to tell an angry ex I had misunderstood due to context, was sorry and wanted to do better to understand her but literally no amount of grovelling worked to calm her down, it was only after pulling out a previous convo we had during the day totally proving she was partly to blame did she agree but did she say sorry for getting mad? Fuck no, she started crying saying I was mean to go to that much effort to prove her wrong? WTF? I just wanted her to know I didn't upset her on purpose... A true FML moment.

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

blow a casket

I'm picturing a Lady Dracula here ...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

There's plenty of virgins on trufemcels who are far from without issues. What a stupid comment ffs lol!!!

[–]Massgumption0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ooo, hit a nerve have I? Haha

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Oooooh yes I'm so offended lol no just pointing out virginity has nothing do to with issues.

[–]Massgumption0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well I disagree, truefemcel is like 0.00001% of female population, its pretty skewed.

[–]Ultramegasaurus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Truefemcels is a joke sub where women complain about not getting the few men they're attracted to to commit.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Have before, 1000000% would again.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm largely attracted to women older than me, so yeah this sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

[–]Aldehydee6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Do those types of women even exist?

Regardless, I very much would date such a woman.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

There's several older virgins on trufemcels but they are apparently ugly so of course dont count as women to men. Lol

[–]Aldehydee1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough

[–]fufususui just like purple0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then again, these men wouldn't date ugly women even if they weren't virgins.

Think the point of the question seems to try figuring if men perceive unattractiveness in virginity

[–]KV-n-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They would find a bf in an hour if they didnt want only chad

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually some have said they still get rejected by incel types. Ugly men still want attractive women. You know that.

[–]CamoWoobie10013 points14 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Would prefer she was a young virgin

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.17 points18 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Ya. That's a great woman to get serious with. One who hasn't had other cock. Surely she won't get curious when old Assmilk is complimenting her eyes as his arms are literally EXPLODING out of his shirt.

[–]CamoWoobie1005 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol. You realise women who arent virgins "get curious" too? Women cheat for all kind of reasons. No matter what it is a roll of the dice.

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So do we. Don't be a hypocrite

[–]Moldy_GeckoPurple Pill Man3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He never said we don't.

[–]Kapla50535 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I would disagree... I know I wouldn't want other women because I have had other women. I believe the same applies to women when it comes to other men

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I know I wouldn't want other women because I have had other women

Isn't that what I just said?

[–]Nobodykers-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He says that having had other women doesnt make him desire other women. So he says you are wrong for assuming women get influenced by having had other men.

[–]aznphenix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

as his arms are literally EXPLODING out of his shirt.

You might want to get that checked out bro

[–]SDW1372 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't mind.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dont care if a woman is a virgin, but I might care about why though.

[–]The-Wizard-of-Oz-2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Totally.

[–]Moldy_GeckoPurple Pill Man2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Considering your OP, you got your answer. Most men. However a virgin in their mid 20s and their not hideous is about as unicornish as you can get nowadays.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol are you reading the same comment section? At best it’s 50/50.

The whole virgin craze only really excites shut in incels.

[–]Moldy_GeckoPurple Pill Man1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Unless the comments changed between yesterday and today, most men said yes. However, they almost all stipulated as long as their reasons for being a virgin weren't mental health, ugliness, shit like that. I'm fairly certain most men wouldn't turn down a virgin, and they'd definitely make better LTR partners as long as not any of the shit I listed before.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, the comments did change from the day before. And most men, did not say yes. Half did, half didn’t. Also, can’t really separate the two, because most virgins in their late 20’s are virgins because of ugliness/fatness, mental health or social issues. And because of this, a lot of men don’t want them.

Your conclusion that virgins would make better LTR partners is not based on anything more than RP bullshit and male insecurity. Therefore, lacks evidence and irrelevant.

[–]maljo242 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not me. I want a woman who likes sex. Women who like sex are having sex.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Depends really. My only worry with a virgin is that she would just not want to have sex after she shits out a couple kids from her large intestine. That seems to be a common thing.

A couple long term relationships is probably ideal for me.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew33 points34 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

after she shits out a couple kids from her large intestine.

/r/badwomensanatomy

[–]RoyalAugur924 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Apparently, all-mighty Atlas can't detect sarcasm when she sees it.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Explain how that's sarcasm

[–]RoyalAugur927 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

So you actually think he was serious when he said women "shit out" babies off their lower intestines?

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Well if he's not it's still not sarcasm

[–]RoyalAugur923 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, it is.

[–]Jakkol2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Your understanding of sarcasm is worse than their understanding of womens anatomy. Even if they were serious.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Where was the irony in the comment?

[–]Moldy_GeckoPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That you don't literally shit out kids, nor from the large intestine.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not irony. Theres no sarcasm in the comment, it's more like humor from absurdity

[–]Aldehydee1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

it didnt go over my head, it wasnt funny and didnt seem like he was joking, hes saying outlandishly stupid things in every comment

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[–]Wandos7naproxen sodium22 points23 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

All the men in this sub are only interested in women who look like the first picture regardless of the conditions. This is who they're referring to when they say "women" as in "why do women do X" and have trouble imagining that any other varieties of female can be attractive or are even women.

[–]beachredwhineCongratulations!14 points15 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I like when you ask them to post a picture of an average girl and they show you a super hot Instagram model.

[–]Wandos7naproxen sodium6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Or like the other guy that replied to my post and said she wasn't even hot. I think he's the same guy who said only trans girls are hot though, so he's only attracted to penis.

[–]Nodoxxintoxin2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Don’t tell that guy he might be gay though. That’s shaming🙄

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Nodoxxintoxin2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Or when they claim that Hollywood actresses are average. Kathy Bates is average, but very few leading ladies are average.

Hell, even Kathy Bates would be above average for her age if she was shopping at my local Walmart. At least she doesn’t need a rascal scooter to make it all the way to the milk

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So many guys on here say Jennifer Lawerence is 5/10 lmao.

[–]whichbladeNA Paler Shade of Purple0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe she is without make up and a personal trainer?

Nah she still cute though. She just carries her extra weight in her face.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That chick is pretty meh even with the angle fraud and hella makeup lol.

I don't think that's who most guys are considering. Men are much more realistic about attraction, certainly not the 95% are ugly thing women do.

Anyway it doesn't really matter the woman, they mostly follow the same path (as do men so you don't whine about misogyny) whether they are heroine chic or devout muslim

[–]bonslytossChaste Opinionated Weirdo2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm a 28yo male virgin. Nearly everyone assumes that I would only date a woman in my age range who is a virgin. Besides the obvious problem of this being a statistically insignificant portion of the population, I would have to be ridiculously neurotic to hold someone to a standard this high just because I held it myself. It would be like an Olympic pole vaulter refusing to hang out with other people who can't even clear a 20 foot bar. Just because they didn't make a choice at a young age to spend their life learning how to pole vault doesn't mean they can't be a good companion to you now.

People tend to form lots of opinions of what it's like to be a virgin, but these opinions are never grounded in reality. I deeply wish that more people would ask virgins questions rather than project their own vastly different experiences over us.

[–]DragoonXFury22 Yr Black Virgin Skater Stoner Anime Nerd NPC2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"I deeply wish that more people would ask virgins questions rather than project their own vastly different experiences over us."

Amen to that. :D

[–]Mescalean1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Me.

[–]supernerdycyclistHi Diddly Ho Neighborino1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not a problem, would be pretty for that and save sex until marriage.

[–]Pastelitomaracucho1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not me.

[–]AstuteBlackManRed Pill Man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dont mind at all

[–]zayelionMale, Only Attracts Lesbians1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As long as they arent very religious. Occasionally I run into women like this, they are fine.

[–]Dweller_of_the_Abyss1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Me.

[–]masterpiece00Red Pill Man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bit too old, I'd question why someone that old hasn't been able to get a man (turning men off with something hidden about her personality perhaps?)

But if she was good looking (above 7/10), thin and ok personality i'd give her a shot.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably not, but more because of the reasons that led to her being a virgin and not the virginity as such.

[–]Clit-cheese1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A LOT MORE than there would be women willing to take male virgins in higher age.

I've literally overheard women so many times saying how big of a red flag that is for them, and that something has to be wrong with virgins.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In my experience, women that are still virgins past the age of around 20 have some sort of issue or hangup. Best case scenario, they're just waiting for marriage. More often they aren't having sex because they're horribly horribly insecure, or they're extremely unattractive, or both. Sometimes they're just horrible to be around in every way possible. I know a couple that are "waiting for the right guy" but the right guy seemingly never comes along for some reason.

[–]iceicle9992 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't mind, hypothetically, but tropes in my head tell me that she may have serious mental hangups if she is a woman and she has reached that stage of her life under that status. Or she may have certain deformities. I cannot find any data that appears legitimate when it comes to women who are in that age range under that status. I can only imagine they would be a very small portion of the population.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

These men want to date tight young Virgin barely legal teens not asexual 25 year old virgins

[–]leftwingsoysquadRape denying trans-holocaust apologist2 points3 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

I deflowered a chick in her mid 20's and didn't realize it until she told me months later. Chicks lie about their n-count by omission due to virgin shaming social pressure also.

Edit: "Fuck, I was going to guess seven! Then multiply it by three in my head! DAMN YOU FEMCELS!"

[–]praisethesun799Not actually a fag 😉5 points6 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

Yeah according to reddit deflowering a girl is this semi-sacred mystical privilege and she'll be yours forever but when it happens it's like , " well it's was fun but it's just sex, i guess " xd

[–]leftwingsoysquadRape denying trans-holocaust apologist2 points3 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

I consider it more of a duty/responsibility (being the first). I try to make sure to make sure that it's a special event. Lots of lingering and a wide variety of sensations, providing the "whole buffet of experiences" and being hyper aware of her body language, making sure to be extra communicative and attentive etc. It's a fine line, you have to "lead the dance' while being aware of the very subtle clues she gives. Making sure she's had at least a couple of orgasms before attempting penetration, gotta have that oxytocin! It's as much an art as it is a science. She needs to be relaxed and to trust you else she's gonna tense up and you're gonna have a rough time.

I have to admit that I felt like by not being honest upfront I felt like she ... ... screwed herself out of that, but I can understand why she was reluctant to disclose. I thought I had just plowed through typical ASD for a while until some things just didn't add up and decided to take the extraordinary step of asking her the dreaded N-count.

In the end she was perfectly content with the experience but it taught me quite a lot. It is quite enjoyable to be the target of many years of pent up sexual frustration sometimes. :)

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew6 points7 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

She screwed herself out of your fantasy of a girl losing her virginity being magical lol

[–]leftwingsoysquadRape denying trans-holocaust apologist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not magical just a production lol

[–]leftwingsoysquadRape denying trans-holocaust apologist0 points1 point  (20 children) | Copy Link

Just going to add to it - if the whole virginity thing wasn't worshipped by the fems, I wouldn't feel an obligation to make it "special" - it's sexual white knighting in a way, I know ... But I liken it to getting hyped to see the new Star Wars then ... watching the new Star Wars and leaving the theatre disappointed and unfulfilled.

If she hadn't have already lost her hymen however she did I never would have known if I hadn't asked in all likelihood and would have just assumed she'd already taken a few dicks. It really taught me to challenge my assumptions and not to take things at face value.

Also, she WILL always remember her first, so you're literally setting the bar. It's always better to set the bar higher.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew4 points5 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

if the whole virginity thing wasn't worshipped by the fems,

what modern western women "worship" virginity or make a big dela out of it

am woman, do not remember my first much

youre just reiterating male fiction fantasy of the female virginity experience

[–]leftwingsoysquadRape denying trans-holocaust apologist0 points1 point  (18 children) | Copy Link

am woman, do not remember my first much

Were you drunk/high or was it just so bad that you blocked it out?

[–]Texastentialism 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

I lost my virginity to my first love stone cold sober and I barely remember it. A lot of life has happened since then.

[–]leftwingsoysquadRape denying trans-holocaust apologist0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Either way, it's funny that the social expectation that we provide a good first experience is being re-branded as some sort of "male virginity fantasy" lol

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

well, it is one. ive bene a woman for 50 yrs and never heard a female human express what i see men expressing about the female loss of virginity experience

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

no i was neither drunk nor high, it was just unmemorable almost immediately

[–]leftwingsoysquadRape denying trans-holocaust apologist0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

Sucks you didn't have a guy give you a memorable experience then I guess.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

why i dont care

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Barf

[–]praisethesun799Not actually a fag 😉1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Please reread the whole thing, I hope you're self aware that's you sound completely repugnant

[–]leftwingsoysquadRape denying trans-holocaust apologist0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh my sweet summer child, who hurt you?

[–]praisethesun799Not actually a fag 😉0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol not you for sure , but please tell me you're aware of how autistic and neurotic you sound, it's incredibly unmasculine

[–]figyg-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Girl I'm with now said she's been with 8 guys before me.

I was expecting more. I have no reason to distrust her, but even if it we're 3x, that's just 24

When I was younger that would have weirded me out. No way I would stick around.

Now I'm like shit, that ain't nothing. I've had that many women in a summer in my Hay day.

Thankfully she hasn't asked my n-count, which I don't know. But I'll be honest with her and hope she doesn't get freaked out by it

[–]SirNemesismary cucked joseph2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'd rather date her when she is 19.

[–]JameisBong3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Even at 19 some are 10-15 partners in,age isn't a guarantee...her ability to stay a virgin into her late 20's is actually commendable.

[–]SirNemesismary cucked joseph0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Her ability to stay a virgin into age 19 is commendable. Beyond that it rapidly becomes an indicator of low sexuality and/or low attractiveness.

[–]hammerhauntsbread pill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would.

[–]beachredwhineCongratulations!1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

What's wrong with her? Obese? Hideous? Hates or fears sex? Insane? Anyway my answer is no. Tried that actually with a 28 year old virgin. She was a virgin for a reason.

[–]nohappyhere[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

What was the reason?

[–]beachredwhineCongratulations!4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Insane and terrified of sex. We went on three dates and then she told me she didn't want to see me anymore because it was too scary. Going on dates where I took things far slower than ever, only pursuing a kiss and light touching like holding hands, and she was too scared.

[–]figyg2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've seen that. It's kinda sad, honestly

[–]whichbladeNA Paler Shade of Purple3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah my boyfriends first girlfriend said she was afraid of penises so she wouldn't look or touch his.

Didn't make sense considering she was the kind of girl who tanned in high school and plastered her face in makeup.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What does tanning and makeup have to do with penises?

[–]Nobodykers4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because those kind of girls get a lot of attention from cocks.

[–]gunbusterxlYou people are fucking disgusting1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd give it a try, but I would be more alert for red flags. Most people are virgins for a reason.

[–]thrownaway2thewind1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well I did just turn down a 22 year old virgin, not because she was ugly or anything but because she was a bitch. Not surprising that she is a virgin thinking back.

Still wouldn't date a slut though

[–]-OpportunityCostI don't care about your problems1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The thing about a woman in her mid/late twenties that is a virgin is that there is most likely a significant reason she is a virgin. Either super religious, awful social skills, medical issues, etc. I wouldn't have an issue if she was 24 and just had never found someone she really wanted to have sex with. But if she is 30 there has gotta be a red flag reason why she is still a virgin.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Isn't it similar with men though?

[–]Nobodykers2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, but with women it is worse because any woman can find a man to fuck, even the bottom 20% in terms of look or personality. I have seen super fat weird chicks and super weird drama chicks who have had multiple relationships. Those dudes werent good matches, so its still shitty for them. Heck, if that super fat chick apped me now and told me to fuck her, my dick would be between her double D tits before she hit send.

A man with average looks and a bottom 20% personality in terms of what women want wont get laid, even though bottom 20% personality doesnt imply toxic behaviour. If a woman is in that situation, she has to either be very scared, religious/conservative, or posess some other game breaking personality trait.

[–]allweknowisD0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men can get sex too. They just pay.

[–]JameisBong1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Less than 4 partners is fine... anything over that is a No Go for me these days. I think the best thing about a virgin or someone with a low N count is coachability. Once you've had 30 plus dicks in you i think your ability to be coached and even pair bond is lost.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Why would you need to coach a woman? Are you coachable?

[–]JameisBong0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm special,with a lot of uncommon information. Its kind of like a car,you chose what you want and you customize it to what you like. And no I don't take instructions from anyone because again I'm special B-)

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Then no woman is taking instructions from you.

[–]JameisBong0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They shouldn't,they should be taking instructions from other sources.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Yeesh a late 20s virgin woman. Like Nessie the Loch Ness Monster; probably don't exist except in people's fantasies or in fake photographs.

Would I date one. Maybe but likely no. They don't exist and also even if they did if they have chosen (always chosen) to wait this long they probably have vaginismus by now.

[–]Moldy_GeckoPurple Pill Man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not to mention they might just say their a virgin cuz that one mistake didn't count.

[–]TheMarbleSlab0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

You don’t go to church then.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Those women are "born again virgins" not actual virgins.

Meaning they had a few wild nights in the Beta house fraternity when they were 20. But it's ok because now she's found Jesus! Jesus cleansed her vagina of all sins and now she's the purest of them all!

[–]ColdSetting 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nowadays, my favourite character too, until Rowling said that he probably feels there’s not much left to explore possibility of relationship with me, but I sensed she was cheating. i had the ultimate sign of weakness.

[–]TheMarbleSlab0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really. Most of the women I know never did anything and expect you to wait for marriage too.

[–]cute_pandawhale1 point2 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

Some men are control freaks, a girl having a high body count makes them feel insecure about themselves and the relationship, it makes them feel less in control, which is why they want girls with the less experience as possible, so they can't disappoint her with their lack of skill, when you don't know much about sex you won't know your needs and what you like or have demands, it basically empowers the guy as well because you won't know what you want and he will give you what he wants.

It is more along this lines, a lot of men will be telling themselves that it is actually because they want family and therefore are not starting a relationship with a whore, some very conservative crap as an excuse to not getting laid and their insecurity towards the opposite sex, but the reality is that guys want to be in control of the situation and the more you know, the more experience you have, the more insecure he feels.

So answering your question: A lot of men would be willing to be in a relationship with virgin girls in their mid/late twenties, because your lack of experience in sex makes them feel empowered.

Of course this is about the dominant kind of men, which composes a big part of all men, some really don't care and others are more submissive, but I think that it is easier to find the first guys who want to be "a real man" in their words rather than the other types.

[–]The-Devilz-Advocate14 points15 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Projection at it's finest. Some men don't want their wife/gf to have had over 30 dicks before the age of 23. Not because they feel "intimidated" but because the lower the n-count the better the chances they can pair bond.

[–]rathyAro5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a nice logical reason, but I don't get the sense that you were all for sluts until you one day read a study about pair bonding that completely turned your view on women around.

[–]cute_pandawhale2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

What you even mean with pair bond lmao.

[–]MoreWhiskeyPls 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Using buzz words but there's actually science behind it. (Can someone link studies, I'm on mobile.)

Basically, men can sleep with a lot of women and still be attached to one women.

Women, the higher the number they've been with lose that ability long term.

It's not sexist, it's just the reality. Yes there can be outliers, but exceptions prove the rule. Women and men, mentally, are different when they approach sex. Yes we're both horny meat bags, but the way we approach it is different. When women approach sex like men, it's actually detrimental long term. This is not sexist, this is something based in our basic biology.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

men can sleep with a lot of women and still be attached to one women

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA the polygamous ephebophiliacs are able to get attached to one woman my sides are in orbit

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no studies on that I’ve ever seen, in three years on this sub. There is the marital stability data, which says nothing about “pair bonding”. Further, there is a even more recent study from last year finding men are more likely to divorce/cheat if they have a history of STRs.

Please share if you can actually find these studies, actual studies I have seen on pair bonding looked at prairie voles.

[–]cute_pandawhale4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're claiming that there are studies behind it, so I will wait for the actual link for it.

[–]xiaodre2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

pair bond

tldr; two people (pair) having close emotional ties with each other (bonding). the higher the n count, the greater the inability to pair bond..

[–]cute_pandawhale7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I read the whole of the article, it is very interesting and I actually want to read the books he recommended.

That being said, there is not a single part of the article that supports your statement.

Can you quote the part where he confirms your opinion?

[–]xiaodre0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

sorry! i wasn't clear.

the pair bonding article was just a definition of pair bonding in humans. i don't think it even mentions n count.

i thought your post was asking for more info about pair bonding in humans.

the post you responded to was a pretty rote description of the opinions of red pill philosophies, and tradcon philosophies. so that last sentence was a sum up of the devilz advocate post and context..

i just did a quick search - here's the tradcon link to this:

https://ifstudies.org/blog/counterintuitive-trends-in-the-link-between-premarital-sex-and-marital-stability/

there are university sociology studies done on this, but the debate rages..

i did not mean to take a stance on either side.

[–]throw_away_the_tacos9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Or, hear me out, men just find slutty women repulsive and it has nothing to do with any of that.

[–]cute_pandawhale-5 points-4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The things wrong with your comment:

1- Generalization. It is not because you are a man and know some man that you can generalize that Men like something or dislike.

2- Give arguments to support your opinion, just stating your opinion isn't enough, it makes perfect sense in your head but for it to make sense for other people you have to convince them, even more if they are not like-minded individuals.

3- No Incel content please.

[–]throw_away_the_tacos-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're not very bright either lol.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

so they can't disappoint her with their lack of skill

This is such a weird argument. You don't have to be experienced to know if you're getting good sex or not.

[–]littleprincesrose1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you have nothing to compare it to, you definitely can’t tell. You feel if it’s good or nah, but if you’ve never experienced better, it’s easy to think that’s just how your body works.

[–]cute_pandawhale0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You don't have to be experienced to know if you're getting good sex or not.

Did you answer the wrong person or something? I have no idea how it connects to what you quoted.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

which is why they want girls with the less experience as possible, so they can't disappoint her with their lack of skill, when you don't know much about sex

It was in response to this.

[–]cute_pandawhale0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough, you know it is bad sex because you're not feeling good.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

the more you know, the more experience you have, the more insecure he feels.

That's all completely natural. I'd expect female virgins to have the same insecurities. Those are just normal humam feelings and if you're an adult men/women dating a virgin you should be aware of that and act accordingly. As a reasonable adult you know that there are cognitive desires and subconscious emotional desires that are just part of being human. There's no point trying to fight nature in my opinion.

[–]cute_pandawhale-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The problem is how that insecurity affects people. Look at Incels for example, saying that women that have sexual experience are disguting.

There is no point trying to nature indeed, still we have religion and culture related to it trying to do so in a very toxic way.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah but "Incels" are maybe a few thousand people worldwide.. hardly worth talking about in this context even though media loves to make a big fuss about maybe in an attempt to push the "see! men are bad" propaganda.

Incels are worth talking about in the context that lack of intimacy causes mental health problems but that's imo it.

[–]cute_pandawhale1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm just giving a mainstream example.

If you want a bigger one, look at religious and conservative people, this overlaps a lot with the kind of people who work on social security which has cases of domestic violence 400% higher than rest of society. Not fitting in the model that their culture and religion wants you to be turns them into violent people. The women with least premarital sexual partners are the ones that are less likely to divorce, and this group also overlaps a lot with conversatives and religious people. Linking one thing with the other, conservative and religious men are insecure when dealing with women that are not shackled by their toxic masculine religion and culture, leading to the attacks on them to punish and repress what they think that is wrong.

Female virgins feel insecure too, but the cultural difference is huge, I have never seen topics like this about males, and never seen people say that males that have sex with multiple partners are disgusting or unfit for relationships, because the social pressure is not on them, but on the female side, and that goes back to my initial comment on some guys being control freaks and how they would love to have a virgin girl because they are insecure around experienced women.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

pretty gay name bro

[–]cute_pandawhale1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks.

[–]Anonshockdandroastd0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

This comment genuinely confuses me on your stance on anything.

I have to say though that you keep using buzz words like "a lot of men" which is my real only issue; OP is addressing specific group that hold a particular idea.

At first you spoke like that, generalizing "a lot of men" but then you went as far ahead as to say "guys want to be in control of the situation". your disclaimer is contrary to that point, and has another bunch of generalization. (who hurt you?)

Otherwise I poke holes because it's a hobby

Their ("a lot of men") arguments are completely valid, don't get me wrong I think you and I share the same stance that n count doesn't matter, but doesn't change things. You are going to go ahead and say with 100% certainty that their arguments are "crap" when from my perspective this definitely could have merit. Just like there's nothing wrong with people having high N counts, there's nothing wrong with not wanting that in their partner. Also gave you considered the idea that perhaps a person's ideals might align with exploration? That they might want explore what each person wants together in a relationship?

Also the idea of "insecurity because of disappointing a women" is contrary to "you won't know your needs and what you like or have demands". I mean sure, you're saying that it's about the standards, but I disagree. I would say if a guy is insecure about disappoint a women it is because he doesn't "know your needs and what you like or have demands". Doesn't that make more sense? at least it does from my perspective; that if a man is insecure about that it is because he wants to please his partner. The people you're talking about, that don't want women to know such things, exist but probably not motivated by insecurity.

[–]cute_pandawhale2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

  1. Generalization is addressed in my last paragraph.
  2. I never dismissed their arguments as crap, you can read the thread.
  3. It is not contrary as they are not mutually exclusive.
  4. That is exactly what I meant, he is insecure because he doesn't know things.
  5. We are not talking about a situation where the person have a partner already, thought it was clear.
  6. I'm not saying that insecurity is the only reason, but your point stands.

Just like there's nothing wrong with people having high N counts, there's nothing wrong with not wanting that in their partner.

Having preferences is alright, preaching that your preference is the only valid one and calling women with high N counts as disgusting is not, even worse are the people saying that it is a science proven fact that it is a bad thing but not being able to prove and lacking any source.

It is two sides of the same coin, I expect them to be talking crap until there is substantial proof that they are right, you fantasize that their intentions have a good nature while you wait for proof that they are talking crap, the only difference is that in this thread I didn't see anyone talking about it being about their preferences the way you fantasize about it, and a lot of people attacking others and talkin about science facts without a source or way to prove their point.

[–]Anonshockdandroastd0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'll address your points respectively

  1. yes you did, and I acknowledged it, that wasn't my point at all though. Your disclaimer comes after your talking points, is contrary to what you talk about (defeating the purpose of a disclaimer), which makes it a little fucked up.
    1. Also the generalization I had the most trouble with you don't even dispute which is that IN that last paragraph you said that most guys were like this. "easier to find..."
  2. hmmmm
    1. " expect them to be talking crap until there is substantial proof that they are right" (lines 4-5 of reply)
    2. "some very conservative crap as an excuse" (lines 7-8 of your original post)\
    3. maybe it's not what you meant but it is what you said
  3. you would have to explain to me because I clearly said in my post that
    1. "Doesn't that make more sense? at least it does from my perspective"
  4. I have literally no idea what this is supposed to disprove somehow or what it's referencing specifically but i'll try
    1. my point is that the insecurity will have completely the opposite effect on what you're talking about
    2. Insecurity has a connotation of fear, in this case fear of not being able to please the woman. Meaning this guy cares about making the girl feel good?
    3. As I said before these guys you're talking about exist, but they must be comfortable wallowing in how scummy they are; not insecure
  5. This one I have no idea at all if I had to guess is was in reference to the two rhetorical questions?
    1. it's just a hypothetical situation where someone who is not in a relationship is actively seeking this experience
  6. Yikers mate
    1. "preaching that your preference is the only valid one and calling women with high N counts as disgusting is not" (lines 1-2 of your reply).
      1. This is a fair point, but also kind of a generalization you don't directly address. Some of these guys are just sharing how their own research has shaped their ideals and opinions. Some are the fuckwads you bring up.
    2. " I didn't see anyone talking about it being about their preferences the way you fantasize about it" (lines 6-7 of your reply)
      1. My faith in humanity has nothing to do with what you originally said though? I know I phrased that poorly but I'm finding it hard to explain it better. Like... you still are saying some fucked up shit even if some of these guys deserve this shut down, and you said it before my reply so the interpretation should not change.
      2. "Fantasy"... classy... my faith in humanity, the reason I choose to talk to you on this thread so that we might reach an agreeable middle ground is a fantasy...
      3. I don't really care if they do show their sources or not. What changes either way? Slut shaming existed way before, also under the guise of "science". I think even if it did show up statistically it's still a question of "morality" from an axiomatic (building blocks) perspective.
      4. honestly if you feel like this whole thread is just that then I would simply suggest the possibility that the people I believe in exist, and that you might have a slight confirmation bias

Edit: phrasing

[–]cute_pandawhale0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't want to discuss semantic with you forever, you understand what I said but as you said "Poking holes is a hobby", I won't gain anything discussing such a topic with someone that wants to find flaws on the way that I worded my argument just for the sake it.

So leaving the english problems behind, there is very little that you're talking about, you know, actual ideas, so let's address them now.

How Insecurity leads to Anger.

Anger aimed at achieving control. Ask yourself why you feel out of control. Fear is a common reason. ... When such control isn't possible, a next best option is to fully recognize what feelings being out of control leads to first, before anger: fear and uncertainty.

Anger aimed to make us feel powerful. Control isn't exactly the issue here. It's more that we feel small and insecure and have stumbled upon anger as an effective means to feel bigger than those around us.

Now you have a source for why I'm claiming that insecure man turns out to be violent when women act in a way that they don't agree with, they try to punish and repress them, on the internet the attacks include what we have seen on this topic, women being called disguting and people claiming to have scientific studies but never posting the links to actually prove their point, and things get even worse on certain groups on the internet, the more conservative and religious it is, the worse the attacks are.

Saying that you have "faith in humanity" is a bit too much. What you're defending is a group of people that directly attack others in order to feel empowered and want to control the women sexuality according to their desires and religion. I do not believe that giving them the benefit of the doubt all the time and having faith on them being good people while their actions say otherwise is a good thing.

And yes, the generalization is intentional now, they are a very conservative and religious group of people that want to control other people's sexuality by trying to make their opponents seen immoral and using it as a justification to attack them, and I don't think that this kind of person should be given the benefit of the doubt, there is no reason to give a group with such an archaic mindset and violent attitude more space or try to rationalize their thinking as a good thing.

You want to be an enlightened centrism that gives the benefit of the doubt to everyone and it is cute and all, but it does not help in this case at all. Look at the anti-vax, they were given too much space and their madness is gaining strenght, a group of people that overlap a lot with the ones that we are talking about here, and the attacks on them that we can see on the internet are having effect, showing how insane their ideas are by making fun of it is bringing awareness to people, even if they are leaving that group just because of the social pressure it is still a good thing, people should be ashamed of being part of such a group of lunatics that preach madness, and they should be called out for what they are.

I know it is very comfortable to sit on your moral high ground built with faith on humanity, calling people out for having strong opinions and asking for the benefit of the doubt all the time and that we should all think positively, but that is just a fantasy, being an enligthened centrist is just a way to avoid conflict while trying to appear smart for questioning everything, while in reality you're just enabling their behaviour because you feel afraid of being questioned like you do to others.

Here, this is where you belong: r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM

And I rest my case, you can be an apologist for violent groups and discuss semantics with another person now.

[–]Anonshockdandroastd0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

honestly you just seem mad that someone is disputing your claim. I see a lot of judgements about me that I made none of for you. You take stuff out of context "poking holes because it's fun" wasn't in reference to everything I said. I think you do a major disservice when you phrase things the way you do, extremely unfairly, and stupidly harmful. I legitimately can't believe you would be so intellectually dishonest, did you even read anything I said? I clearly said the people you are talking about exist and that they were scum. I agreed with you, I was trying to reach a middle ground by saying that you might have been ignoring some variables that I would like to point out. So much of what you say is filled with holes and fallacies, I was just trying to help you develop your argument and by extension your thoughts.

When you tell me I don't have "actual ideas" it makes me question whether it's I lack them, or that you're not smart enough to understand them. I would suspect it's the latter.

God damn I also hate how you used that source because it's so out of nowhere it drives me insane. Did you read the article or did you pull from it because it had the word "insecurity"? ok I now know that Insecurity CAN become anger, now what? It doesn't say insecurity ONLY becomes anger, and you don't even address the type of insecurity. It literally has nothing to do with anything I said.

I'm defending "a group of people that directly attack others in order to feel empowered." Honestly, just fuck you if you think those were the people I was defending. NEVER in my argument did I saw what they did was acceptable, I was merely proposing the possibility that there were exceptions to what you were saying.

using your situation of anti-vax, here's how I would compare this debate. You clearly think that every person who doesn't get their kid vaccinated is evil or some shit. I agree that the idiots who belong to this group are a disservice to society, but I point out that some people can't get their kids vacced because they are deathly allergic. Then you tell me that I'm an enlightened centrist for defending the idiots. ok.

That enlightened centrism thing is such a misguided ad hominem it makes me lose faith in any possible argument you might have had. My faith in humanity is in reference to the exceptions, not the people I already agreed with you should be condemned.

This is on me to be fair, I thought you could hold up in this debate. You didn't I thought you could understand my points. You didn't I thought you could provide literally a speck of real argumentative conversation. you didn- oh wait, you did, when you: used a source (terribly and dishonestly) Rebutted my points (well, at least the ones you made up in your head) Came from a reasonable position (until you started attacking groups of people in the exact same way you described) pointed out my biases (that not only didn't exist, but was used in a way to mock me like an egotistical person who unironically refers to themselves as an "edge-lord")

Lets be clear here, I thought we were two people on the internet having an intellectual conversation. You're making this weirdly personal with value judgements about my character and emotional language. Maybe you're right about me having faith in humanity, because I have officially lost faith in you.

[–]cute_pandawhale0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I legitimately can't believe you would be so intellectually dishonest

So much of what you say is filled with holes and fallacies

I will just quickly demonstrate how you're being a hypocrite.

my point is that the insecurity will have completely the opposite effect on what you're talking about.

God damn I also hate how you used that source because it's so out of nowhere it drives me insane. Did you read the article or did you pull from it because it had the word "insecurity"? ok I now know that Insecurity CAN become anger, now what? It doesn't say insecurity ONLY becomes anger, and you don't even address the type of insecurity. It literally has nothing to do with anything I said.

Can you see the intellectual dishonesty here?, I use a source that proves my point on insecurity because I had the burden of proof, now you go from "Insecurity will have completely the opposite effect on what you're talking about" to your tipical Invincible Ignorance, you admit that I proved that you were wrong, but you keep hugging your point trying to dismiss the source with arguments about the way that my argument, which you understood and responded to, was worded. You don't try to beat my argument, you don't use any source, even the one that I gave to you to prove my point, you try to beat my argument by either manipulating what I said or feigning ignorance and saying that my point has to be dismissed because you didn't understand it and keeps asking for further explanation just because.

Next.

using your situation of anti-vax, here's how I would compare this debate. You clearly think that every person who doesn't get their kid vaccinated is evil or some shit. I agree that the idiots who belong to this group are a disservice to society, but I point out that some people can't get their kids vacced because they are deathly allergic. Then you tell me that I'm an enlightened centrist for defending the idiots. ok.

You're back to your usual Straw Man fallacy, and this is one is pretty easy to see, let's use wikipedia's example together so you can understand it better.

The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument:

Person 1 asserts proposition X.

Person 2 argues against a superficially similar proposition Y, falsely, as if an argument against Y were an argument against X.

Me, Person 1, asserted that the Anti-Vax group is composed of stupid and evil people. Which is proposition X.

You, Person 2, argues that if I said that the Anti-Vax people are bad(X), then I said that every person who doesn't vaccinates their children or themselves are bad(Y), and you proceed to attack Y.

Is there even any way to illustrate better what you're doing?

It is pretty clear to see that you're using textbook intellectually dishonest tactics, fallacies, making you a hypocrite.

You are everything that I said, and I don't understand where your shock comes from, of course people will lose their patience when you are an walking Argument to Moderation fallacy, trying to find the middle ground on everything and never having to argue in favor of anything because you have no position to defend, and very comfortably on that middle ground advantage you try to manipulate other's arguments or feign ignorance when you can't. And you still have the audacity to throw a tantrum, basically saying how you're frustrated that people can't keep up with your wits, oh my god you're so smart right? The smartest kid on the block that is so intelligent that it is a curse, he can't have an intellectual conversation because no one can follow or refute his arguments and therefore getting people mad at him, such a sad existence. Please. Grow the fuck up. You're not the genius that you think you are that is going to Shock and Roast people around reddit like in your wet dreams just because you learned how to use the Argument to Moderation fallacy, Straw Man fallacy and the Invincible Ignorance fallacy in your favor. Go become your own person with your own ideas and grow a backbone to defend them, and then you come back and start discussing things like a real person.

You're free to throw another tantrum, I won't answer anymore, you can win with your Invincible Ignorance now and be happy, that's your purpose here anyway.

[–]Anonshockdandroastd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

you don't have to reply I used the exact same sources if you want reference to all I'm about to say regarding the fallacies It's not an Argument to Moderation fallacy simply because we don't have opposite points in the slightest when it came to the overall issue. I'm pretty sure I'm numerous occasions I said I agreed with you on it, just that you might not have been considering somethings, which you never addressed btw. Sure, we don't have to come to the middle, but it just seemed disingenuous you attacked certain points of mine while ignoring others. I was trying to figure out if ignoring meant we agreed or you couldn't figure out what to say. It's not a straw man fallacy because the argument never existed in the first place. I didn't create a false equivalency I constructed an entirely false argument for both our sides to demonstrate to you what I was trying to get across. I wasn't pushing for an argument there, just clarifying my intentions. I would say that you're the hypocrite, ignoring most of my points so you can throw your own little tantrum on the internet. I acknowledged when I thought you were right, and I also acknowledge when there was something I didn't understand. Anything I "admitted" you were right for, I already had the opinion, you changed nothing. I mean looking at it weren't you the one who initiated the little insults and throwing those mean words because I had criticisms? As for Invincible Ignorance fallacy, I'll explain this is a very simple way so you can understand. Your source DOESN'T prove your point, it shows that it's plausible, but doesn't prove it. It says that a source of anger is insecurity, but that doesn't disprove anything I said. It proves that your argument COULD happen, but thats it. You want a source that will prove my point is plausible too? Search Sexual Performance Anxiety on google. Who knows? you might find something to back up my point. Never said I was smart, just that you were dumb, and I regret that. Just seemed like you attacked me out of nowhere and I didn't understand that you were just the type of person to do that. Shocked and Roasted is in reference to a GIF that went Viral in my school when I first found my way onto reddit. Seems like you really have it out for me for some reason, acting like I'm a kid, which granted in your eyes I might be. At first I was mad, but then I realized, it's sad. This might seem like some defensive attack on you, but it's not. I feel actual pity for you, I have no idea how old you are, and I have no inclination to tell you my age, but I will say I'm not even out of highschool yet. And yeah, I guess from your perspective I may be a kid, and for some reason that gave you permission to treat me like shit. I think you might be mad or something judging by how much you insulted me. I'm sorry I guess. good luck in life, I genuinely mean that, but I hope I don't become like you.

[–]leftwingsoysquad 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Your definition of "sex worker" is too broad. If she was an escort or took dick, then she is a "sex worker". If she got paid for sitting on her ass and looking pretty, she is just a non-reddit woman.

[–]nohappyhere[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your responding to the wrong post.

[–]leftwingsoysquadRape denying trans-holocaust apologist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn you're quick. lol thanks, tho!

[–]CosmicBioHazard0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

100%

just 100%

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Early 20s no problem. Mid twenties - nah

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Depends why she is a virgin. Is she just shy or does she have some kind of religious hangups about sex?

[–]Sir_KoopamanSexually Identifies as a Potato0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd be more willing to date this type of woman so long as she's not ultra-religious.

[–]EGOtyst0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

All of them, if she's not and not retarded. Less if she's fat and mean. 20% of them, at the lowest.

[–]daveofmarsFor Martian Independence0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I would in the general sense, but with anything there are exceptions. Is she a virgin because she doesn't bathe? If so, then no. Is she a virgin because she grew up on, and then had to take over, the family farm and had no opportunities to date? If so, then probably.

[–]Ultramegasaurus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would happily, but I might as well start looking for vegan pink dragons to date.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

For most men that's actually a turn on and in our Muslim community it's a huge advantaged to be a virgin before marriage

[–]SeemedGood0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most definitely. And they would have a substantially better chance of being considered for LTR.

[–]WhyMeThough10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Even Chads don't want virgin pussy. Hard No!

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Nope. I'd prefer if her N is not too low, and not too high. Maybe somewhere in the range of 5 - 20, at an age of mid/late 20s.

[–]dag441 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Why not too low?

[–]fuckdr11 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

Don't want someone inexperienced. And I don't want her to wonder later in life if she's missing out on better sex with other people. I want her to get out there, try it out with some other people before me. By the time we start dating, she knows what she likes, and knows how I compare to other men.

[–]tuesdayrain 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

The thought of wanting other men to give my girlfriend experience is incomprehensibly bizarre to me. Our opinions are so different on this that we may as well be different species.

[–]whichbladeNA Paler Shade of Purple-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's more of eliminating your girlfriends curiosity and doubt of what it's like to be with xyz.

[–]dag44-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Makes perfectly good sense. Thanks for the reply!

[–]wildtimes30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ve been thinking about this. If it’s too low there seems to be a a possibility they will have regrets settling down without having experienced things (a newish phenomenon in its severity from what I can tell).

Also, the world is a different place than it was 50 years ago. Having gone through the emotional growth that a sexual relationship leads to can make you a better partner.

[–]CrestfallenWolf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

5+ year LTR with a virgin when we met in late 20's Now both in our 30s

I never understood the obsession with N count. I've had great and terrible relationships with virgins and higher N then me.

[–]CuntarianOverlord0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

i would i love hooking up with girls that are sluts but as far as getting any type of commitment out of me you gotta have a semi low to low body count sluts are incapable of pair bonding deny it all you want this is science

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

"Science," eh? But upvoted for your username, lol.

[–]CuntarianOverlord0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

It sounds dumb as fuck I know man but they actually did studies on this and sluts have a harder time being happy and settling down with a partner than semi low body count chicks

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The only studies I've seen look at divorce rates, but that's not really a reliable indicator of marital happiness IMO. For instance, the same woman who is low-N-count due to her religious beliefs is probably going to be reluctant to divorce on account of those same beliefs. Doesn't mean her marriage is happy though!

Meanwhile I suspect there are plenty of sluts like myself who are happily settled down and growing old with our partners ...

[–]CuntarianOverlord0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

When you tire of your Betabux you’ll divorce and move long as do all the “housewives for used to be sluts” it’s just a matter of time you’re still in the early stages of landing a cash cow to milk

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Cash cow?" LOL, I bring in more money than he does. And we've been together for going on seven years now ... would have been longer but I had to wait for him to break up with his previous girlfriend, damnit!

[–]Planetof120 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't care how many sex partners a woman had, whether it's zero or 100. So long as her attitude towards sex is liberal and open-minded, it's all good.

Oh, there is the whole STD thing, but it's not in the "You're a dirty slut" thing. Rather, it's "Let's get checked to be on the safe side". I don't see any moral failure in women that have lots of sex - slut-shaming is stupid.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

slut-shaming is stupid.

good for you. yet you are an outlier than a norm

[–]Planetof121 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So? Does that make me wrong?

I mean, I really see no moral failure in women having a lot of sex partners.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It doesn't. You are right. For yourself.

[–]crackrocksteady7buying gf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope

[–]Salty-Bastard0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope

[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Idk depends what she’s like in bed I guess

[–]FleshPanda0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That would be fine if she was a virgin. But I'm a sick fuck so the type of woman that would stay a virgin into her 20s wouldnt be attatactive to me for other reasons.

[–]MGTOWtoday0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well if she’s a virgin at that age, then she probably looks like hell got ran over by the ugly truck.

[–]Anonshockdandroastd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think OP is ignoring the the real claim made by these men. Notice the use of "because" in their description. Let me break down their (men OP is referring to) argument using simple formatting in simple terms:

Point: I wouldn't date a women with high n counts

Evidence: high n counts lowers their (women) ability to sustain a long term

Explanation: I want a sustainable long term relationship so this trait is not desirable

Whereas OP's argument misses fundamentals

Point: I wouldn't date a women with low n counts (later in life)

Evidence: low n counts ____?

Explanation: ______? so this trait is not desirable

what OP not realizing is that it's not the high n count that is undesirable; it's the unsustainable relationship. There's nothing inherently wrong with high n counts just the same way there is nothing wrong with low n counts; it's effects or associated behaviors that are the issue. I don't want to date someone who I will have an unsustainable relationship with, nor do I want to date a psychopath cultist who is saving herself for the devil.

The fact that women are labelled by high or low n counts, instead of their significant traits, is the real issue to me.

Note: it is more probable these people will have these traits, not saying that they do/will with certainty

[–]PlantainNationalism0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a huge yikes. I want a fresh loaf of bread. Not one that's been picked apart by seagulls and not one that's been sitting on the counter for 25 years.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men will just claim such women don’t exist because they’re misogynists who use the term “woman” and “whore” synonymously

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They exist but much much more rare than male virgins. Who are invisible to women

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

How many men would actually be willing to be in a relationship with women who are virgins in their mid/late twenties?

I cannot say about other men, nor you should be asking "how many men" but if I could guess. Around 30-50% of the male population in the west? Maybe?

I myself wouldn't want a virgin. They are a headache to deal with. But many have this dream, mostly religious men. Religious men in the end are still majority. Soooo that is why I guess such number.

most of RP men want low n count women because they are less of a headache than virgins and less of a danger than high N count women. Perfect balance

Something I see a lot of in this sub is men who like to claim that they wouldn’t be with women with high n counts because it lowers their ability to sustain a long term relationship

You are confusing "not wanting high N count women" with "wanting virgins". Any women who does not have high n count, comparatively, is good enough. They want women who aren't the female equivalent of a womanizer. Not saint maries.

[–]inco20182 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The Goldilocks n-count.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep.

[–]throwaway-6371 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I myself wouldn't want a virgin. They are a headache to deal with.

How?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Expectations. When they tell you they are a virgin and you have a relationship. They expect too much from you. This kind of innocence is a pain in the arse as they are too puritan and expect too much from you.

If you have any semblance of good nature you will prefer to avoid them instead of lying. I am avoiding virgins since 15. Good god. They are a pain to deal with. If they are a virgin by late 20's or 30's I cannot even think on how entitled these women should be.

[–]throwaway-6372 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Expect too much from you in what way? Too much sex? Money? Attention?

Do you think it's because the kind of women you're talking about use their virginity as a value leverage and expect a lot because their virginity has value?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Expect too much from you in what way? Too much sex? Money? Attention?

All of the above and more. (Maybe not so much sex).

Do you think it's because the kind of women you're talking about use their virginity as a value leverage and expect a lot because their virginity has value?

Yes. Exactly. And also they think I should have to do a lot of things just because of virginity or some other thing like purity/religiosity.

It may hold value to some. But not for me, I am a atheist, you need to hold real value, not just some intangible/superstitious idea.

Their expectations and exigences are just a bother to me. Virginity is overrated. A low N count woman is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better.

I understand that we men are hardwired into liking virgins and younger women, but the average virgin is too much of a pain to deal with. You would need to look for many of those to find one which makes their virginity worth the effort. Not for me.

[–]shipiaoziGynocentrism patriarchy is great-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Quite common in China, so...

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