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CMVMen who strike out with women are fat or weird. But refuse to date chicks who are also fat or weird (self.PurplePillDebate)

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[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man43 points44 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

the flaw with this idea is that less attractive women aren't proportionally more willing to date/fuck less attractive guys than hotter women. if a guy is struggling with 7s, dropping down and going after 5s doesn't always work. in my experience, less attractive women can still be very picky and have disproportionately high standards and give a lot of weight to a guy's appearance.

even relatively unattractive women still have an abundance of guys hitting on them and tryna fuck. the difference between 5s and 7s is that 5s can't get high SMV guys to commit to them, so those girls are often hung up on some Chad that they (incorrectly) believe they have a chance with. they're not going to be interested in some pudgy 5'7" guy or whatever who is probably her equivalent in terms of relative SMV.

men claiming "I'm good looking, successful, but women only want chad".

pretty much everyone thinks they're better looking than they really are. and unless you are exceptionally good looking or very wealthy, you can't really rely on your looks or success to make up for severe deficiencies in other important areas. if you're super weird and awkward and skinny fat and have a stupid haircut and bad clothes, having some $60k office job isn't going to cancel out all those negatives.

there's also a common thing you hear where guys are like "yeah i can hold a conversation and people laugh at my jokes, etc" - that's good, but that's also like the baseline expectation. if you want to be very successful with women, you need to push beyond being an average typical guy. it's really not difficult at all to get into that magical top 20%, but you do have to do the work and go above and beyond all the other dudes who are just coasting along and doing okay at life.

[–]Naebany4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with your post just want to point out that the thing you wrote at the end doesnt really make sense. It cant be both hard work and not really that hard. It is possible to get to top 20% but its not easy and require a lot of effort.

[–]reluctantly_red4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

if a guy is struggling with 7s, dropping down and going after 5s doesn't always work

Very true! Women know when a guy is dumpster diving. They can tell if the guy is really not into them. So they do the logical thing -- if they chose to have sex with a guy who really isn't that into them they chose to have sex with a hot guy.

[–]passepar2t2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

pretty much everyone thinks they're better looking than they really are.

I don't think that's true. I, for one, have a realistic assessment of my smv and so do numerous people I've met. In fact, some people tend to sell themselves short.

[–]jax006Wants to bang ~20% of PPD chicks4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ya I gotta agree, Selling themselves short and thinking less of themselves is the issue with 90% of the incels, was always my issue

[–]passepar2t2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've seen some incelfies and honestly, all they need to bang 5s and 6s is to acquire interesting stories and to lie confidently. Getting girlfriends might be much harder but baby steps, you know?

[–]Jaeger__851 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're an outlier. It's well described in science that every thinks they are at least above average. Look up Illusory superiority.

[–]passepar2t2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm aware of illusory superiority, but I don't think it's the rule for "virtually everyone" or even an "overwhelming majority." Also, I think it's mostly a young person problem. Older folks are much more aware of exactly what they are and what they aren't.

[–]des_heren_balscherenPoop ehehehe1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

pretty much everyone thinks they're better looking than they really are

I disagree: pretty much no one has an objective impression of themselves.

People either overinflate or underinflade themselves with almost no one being objective about themselves simply because objective people about anything are really rare and your own self is the thing people have the most emotional stake and lack of objectivity is triggered most from emotional stake.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (32 children) | Copy Link

Most normal men who put forth just the bare amount of effort can find someone. No, you won't do as good as Chad, sorry. Just how it is. But it's not that hard to find somebody to at least date if that's your goal.

Depends. May I ask your age?

The market changes with age, you know? For example, to the median guy, if he is 30 he will have way less difficulty finding a partner than if he is 20. Not only he achieved a lot in these 10 years, getting wealth, status and maybe even appearance and power, but the market changed, the women which 10 years prior avoided him like the plague, now see him as marriage material. Thus he can get relationships way easier.

You and I, probably lived past the prime age for the RMV/SMV in our regions. After this, you are correct, it is easy enough to a man to find relationships. women tend to want serious relationships after 25. But before this age (in the west) the median joe would have difficulties. Not impossibilities, only difficulties. He would have to invest considerable amounts of his resources (time, money etc) to get one gf or maybe a ONS.

To me the market is completely different from those younger than myself.

Men who claim to be good looking, successful, and can't find someone are lying and need to address their issues. Preferably staying away from extreme cringey behaviors

More probable, he partake in one or more of these behaviors:

  • high expectations.
  • low resources invested in the task.
  • bad behavior when dealing with women.

Again. He may find relationships. But certainly the median joe would not find much above that. For example, he may never feel how a ONS is.

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Oh, and there is something. When i say median joe, its because I mean it. The average joe for a woman is normally someone with a high SMV/RMV. (around the top 20% of men, or so Okcupid/tinder says). But someone which is literally in the middle of the population (median) would have a somehow low SMV/RMV for women. Women are way more picky, but considering the entire population, the pickyness disappears. There is a misunderstanding between TRP and TBP. TRP talks about entire population, the median guy have low to no chance with women, while the TBP women keep telling us that the average guy (for them) have no problem. The problem is to define "Average".

[–]BajaBlast906 points7 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

The market changes with age, you know? For example, to the median guy, if he is 30 he will have way less difficulty finding a partner than if he is 20. Not only he achieved a lot in these 10 years, getting wealth, status and maybe even appearance and power, but the market changed, the women which 10 years prior avoided him like the plague, now see him as marriage material. Thus he can get relationships way easier.

Implying that every man goes through this with the same level or results or even any at that. Typically, men (and any gender with a career for that matter) gain a certain level of wealth power and status but that group doesn't include every man out there. There is no shortage of mediocre men leading very average/subpar lives. There also is no shortage of men who at age 30 are straight up going nowhere in life. I know you mention the "median" guy but the median guy is just that- median, average, mediocre, nothing special.

There are certain demographics at play obviously. My hometown has too many guys aged 30 who are overwight, part time job at Best Buy or line cook, maybe a trashy baby mama. These guys are pushing their 30s and still have no real purpose. So I move to a larger more economically and culturally prosperous area. Quality of men shoots up. Lots of successful 30 something men. Few rarely notice the endless amount of losers, but I have. It's easy to assume that every man will be a success later in life when that's all you see.

[–]concacanca4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I weirdly agree with you and /u/Workaholico .

A little bit of maturation and establishment is both a huge enabler for male attractiveness as well as a potential status granter as well (which is obviously a part of SMV).

However dudes do need to actively work on themselves constantly, in all aspects of their lives, to get that payoff. Waaay too many guys are happy to stagnate in 'good enough' jobs. A huge number just let themselves go.

Its the difference between potential and actual results and I think a lot of guys are maybe unable to get out of a subjective mindset when they project their own lives and progress onto all or at least a great number of other men.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Waaay too many guys are happy to stagnate in 'good enough' jobs.

I may be mistaken but, to me having a legal job is in itself a merit. the employment market never have been so weak, and I not talking only about Brazil. Also, in my mind most men do not work whatsoever at age 18-20 in your country. I don't even know if it is legal in all states.

However dudes do need to actively work on themselves constantly, in all aspects of their lives, to get that payoff.

To me, everyone does that. Some just more emphatically, and in different views, for example, a man having the 'good enough job' like myself, actually may be focusing in another thing. I focused in my studies, my brother in women, my cousins in leaving Brazil (illegally).

Also, If you got a stable job for 10 years, you got something, stability, that's for sure, and there is a good chance you got up in the career too. it is a good thing.

A huge number just let themselves go.

Appearancewise yeah, I agree, but lets be real, almost none can work 14hrs a day and go to the gym. I certainly can't.

Its the difference between potential and actual results and I think a lot of guys are maybe unable to get out of a subjective mindset when they project their own lives and progress onto all or at least a great number of other men.

Some people said that to me, but I have data, look at the census data.

the median people (not only men) increase in Wealth, Power and possibly status. All that is left is masculinity and appearance.

And finally, your answer talks about the SMV. but that is not my point. Most of the changes are in the RMV. Relationships.

Sexual market value (without relationships) would still not change much, or maybe decrease with age. I can accept that where you live the median joe's SMV do not increase that much. But not that their RMV. Liek I said, ONS would still be hard to come by, although easier.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

My hometown has too many guys aged 30 who are overwight, part time job at Best Buy or line cook, maybe a trashy baby mama. These guys are pushing their 30s and still have no real purpose.

Which is why people get the fuck out of small towns. I packed up and left the farm two weeks after high school graduation.

[–]BajaBlast901 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Surprisingly, I grew up in a mid-sized town in upstate NY and it was bigger than a small town. If you know anything about Upstate NY though, between the bleak culture and local economy it's not a great place to live. Part of the city and suburbs aren't bad but the moment you step outside the city limits its white trash and Confederate flags.

Online dating for men and women are bleak. It makes me kinda depressed just thinking about it.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My grandfather had a cabin on Saranac Lake. Seems hit and miss -- some of the upstate towns seem quite nice others no so nice. I remember as a kid driving by both tar paper shacks and nice big old farm houses. Regardless -- young people are usually better off getting the hell out of small towns.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I am talking about the median men. For fs sake.

Median means the value which divides a set exactly in the middle. Look it up.

Also, if you think like the median means something bad, you sure did not learn statistics in high school.

Your "too many guys" cannot mean more than half the population. Otherwise you city would have failed already.

Your perception may be biased. I lived everywhere, from the poorest and most violent city to the capital of the country. The big city just have more services and more people. My home city may look like as you described, but this is because most good people marry at 18-20. Obviously its different. There is only drunkards single at 30.

Your "endless amount of losers" is exactly what I am talking about. You cannot perceive reality for what it is. The median man do not change. Or maybe you just a woman.

The median man is going to success in life. Seriously learn some math terminology already, even my third world / public schooled inhabitant schooling is better. This is plainly stupid.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

if you think like the median means something bad, you sure did not learn statistics in high school

Sorry but its you who don't seem to understand. The median is just the mid point of a data set -- its neither good nor bad. The median income of medical doctors is pretty good. The median income of ex-felons is pretty bad.

The median male sexual market value is nothing to write home about.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I know what a median mean and what I said.

The median male sexual market value is nothing to write home about.

I know it isn't.

but the SMV, and more importantly the RMV tend to increase with time between 20 and 30. that was the whole point

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

tend to increase with time between 20 and 30

Only for the minority of guys who have both potential and put in the work to realize that potential. This doesn't apply to median guys.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think you are not willing to hear that this includes most of the population including the median guy right?

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry but for whatever reason -- lack of potential or lack of effort or both -- the median guy peaks in his mid to late twenties just a few years after the median woman peaks.

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Average is the median of the dudes they even notice. Bottom 20% don't exist, so there's your difference in average.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am using the Okcupid and tinder data as basis. Not anyone's.

There is surelly a big percentage of women who given zero response to men. (Aka, don't exist)

But I prefer to account them too, for objectivism sake.

[–]emailpassword12 1 points [recovered]  (13 children) | Copy Link

I know a lot of dudes who slayed in their early 20s who don't get a look in now in their 30s. Their looks have gone, and they are still trying to hook up with the babe 20s year old girls, but the babe 20 year old girls are hooking up with the babe 20 year old guys...

[–]reluctantly_red2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

a lot of dudes who slayed in their early 20s who don't get a look in now in their 30s. Their looks have gone

Happens. Lots of guys don't age well at all. Of course this happens to lots of women too.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Yes. Me too. But certainly not most of the population. That is what I mean by median joe. The majority always increased in RMV.

Also, hookups is different from having more women interested in serious relationships.

And finally, those guys may be getting something. Who knows? My olderbrother was conceived when my mother was 19 and my father 32.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

My olderbrother was conceived when my mother was 19 and my father 32.

Dude, Brazil.

[–]pirulitinha0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I was about to argue that is not really the norm here in Brazil, but I've been with my boyfriend, who is 10 years older, since I was 18. Oh well

But my mom conceived me when she was 15 and my father 17. Yeesh. And my grandmother was 17; grandfather mid-20s... ok, I see your point.

Not really true for people with money, though.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know right?

We start way too early.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I can say the same about my relatives in the USA, Canada, Japan, England and France.

It can be a Brazilian culture thing, but I doubt.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Brazilians.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nope. The ones of my generation were born there. Most never set foot in the southern hemisphere. We just know each other because of the internet. Where do you think I learned english in the beginning? My japanese and french is not that good tho.

My dream is to join them. Legally tho.

I don't want to have an achor child like my aunts and uncles.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Immigrants bring their culture with them.

[–]emailpassword12 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

re women interested in serious relationships.

And finally, those guys may be getting something. Who kno

Well, as a woman, I disagree. Men can think their RMV goes up all they want with age, but, at the end of the day, it women who really decide that.

And no, those guys truly are getting nothing. The only thing they are getting is bitter, much like how RP describes a post wall woman.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

That is what I mean. Women, as a market, decide that older guys have more value.

I don't know really, and certainly nor does you, exactly because you are a woman. I just know that this is the case for Austin, Toronto and Brazil as a whole.

You telling me that women don't show more interest to lower valued man to me that seems like a bitter speech. Maybe I should travel more?

[–]emailpassword12 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

or does you, exactly because you are a woman. I just know that this is the case for Austin, Toronto and Brazil as a whole.

You telling me that women don't show more inter

Except that we don't think they do have more value. Women in my circle earn good money, own their own houses. Men are there for companionship and to have kids (for those who wants kids). A guy who is aging and losing his beauty has less value that a younger man who is better looking. I chose beauty of wealth every time.

But perhaps where you are women still look for providers?

Everyone should travel more. That's just a given.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Except that we don't think they do have more value.

What 'you think' is different from what 'is'.

Women in my circle earn good money, own their own houses. Men are there for companionship and to have kids (for those who wants kids). A guy who is aging and losing his beauty has less value that a younger man who is better looking. I chose beauty over wealth every time.

Good to hear. But you or your close friends do not change a population does it? Can you even consider yourself average, median or mediocre?

But perhaps where you are women still look for providers?

Most places. And I would guess in you and your friends too. Do any of you have any interest in men which have no real job capable of providing or even unemployed for life? If you do, had you have any experience or is still with such man? I think not.

Everyone should travel more. That's just a given.

Pay me. I earn as much as the guys which makes Bigmacs (being a professor). I find it a miracle I already visited so many places. My next travel is to New Zealand. Looking to a place to leave this hatched country.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Again he may find relationships. But certainly the median Joe would not find much above that. For example, he may never feel how a ONS is.

This is very true. I would say that this is my experience, in my teens and even 20s if I actually wanted to find a relationship I could get one, tbh any average looking dude can get one, they are a hell of a lot easier to get for men. I never was able to get a ONS, and I definitely tried to get them. I would say that I tried to get one for about a year and was completely unsuccessful, but as soon as I tried to get a relationship I found one pretty soon after.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

if he is 30 he will have way less difficulty finding a partner than if he is 20

Hell no!!! The median guy is pretty damn ordinary and -- like most women -- his SMV starts to plummet as soon as his youth starts to fade.

Guys can increase their value through their 30's. However, this takes work. Most guy's (i.e. your median guy) chose not to.

[–]balderdash9-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why do you fucks always use so many abbreviations? Are you that determined to be uninterpreted by the layman?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I expect to be talking with native English speakers. Sorry. Here is the meanings.

ONS=one night stand

SMV= sexual market value.

RMV=relationship market value

TRP=the red pill

TBP=the blue pill.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (34 children) | Copy Link

This is true of both sexes, I do not see the point of trying to pin this on men only. What is your argument here, stated plainly?

[–]balancedben 1 points [recovered]  (16 children) | Copy Link

because of tinder and other dating apps it tends to be the fat and weird chicks that refuse to date fat and weird guys and not the other way around.

[–]reluctantly_red4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

it tends to be the fat and weird chicks that refuse to date fat and weird guys and not the other way around

This is very true. Fat weird chicks are actually my thing. When I've been relatively thin I've had not problem at all hooking up with them. When I've been fat myself its much much harder.

[–]Tek_AnalystRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What do you actually like about them?

[–]reluctantly_red5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They're soft and curvy and jiggle when you fuck them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

even if hefty chicks are your thing the fact that fat women don't tend to be as willing to date fat guys is because they're pickier than men and in this day and age have an over inflated sense of self worth.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

fat women don't tend to be as willing to date fat guys

Very true. One of the reasons I go to the gym.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

you're willing to do for a fat woman what she's not willing to do for a man. lol you're definitely not red pilled.

[–]reluctantly_red-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Staying in shape means a guy has options. I choose the exercise mine with fatties.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

so it means men having same options that a disgusting fat pig of a woman has without having to be in shape. ha ha ha ha whoo hoo. such an alluring position to be in.

[–]reluctantly_red-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Life is easier for women -- nothing new there -- guys just need to deal with this fact.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

and accepting this means women aren't worth sacrificing for or dying for. this is why men will increasingly go their own way. we're worth way too much to allow ourselves to be treated as second class citizens. at least in time's past women didn't have rights and submitted least they were severely punished. men were compensated for all that they did for their families and society. not any more.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

most guys are well aware of that and as such increasing numbers of men are increasingly going their own way. fucking them and watching netflix with them is one thing but spending money on them,cohabiting with them,and breeding with them is basically signing one's death sentence.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

fat and weird chicks that refuse to date fat and weird guys

Which is exactly what my message is to the one who started this debate. If you think it is only the women and not the men who do this, why respond to me and not the guy who actualyl oppositionally disagrees with you?

Additionally, you started off this convo rather hostile, you could've just said that you agree with my point that it is unfair to pin it on the fat men alone, and then expand. As it is I was kinda confused because you were hostile from the get go. Really makes me the thrid party in this, hence my flair.

your lame attempt to try and make this appear to be a gender neutral issue failed.

Well, since you have provided an example for the 'x refuse to date y' scenario and the OP gave a scenario for the y ditch x) scenario, and neither of them have been argued against only expanded, I would say that your post has actually strenghtened my position in this debate. Thanks!

you're probably not mgtow

I never claimed to be, so why is this upsetting you to the point that you are even throwing around insults?

trying to pose your s.j.w. p.c. agenda

I haven't even expanded on my position, I only asked a question, you are really into overdrive paranoia mode if this is your 'conclusion.'

I would like to remind you that this is a debating sub and that people who react with extreme emotion like you do and can not make a rational argument do not belong here and might need to cool off a bit. Best of luck with that!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

actually ..... i forgot i was on the purple pill debate subreddit and thought i was on the mgtow one. otherwise i wouldn't have been so harsh. lol

[–]PPD-AngelIncel Ban Count: 17[M] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Be civil. Consider this a warning.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

i forgot this was the purple pill debate subreddit and not the mgtow subreddit.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be warry, the whataboutism police will come to make a vaguely uncivil comment to you!

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Because women aren’t complaining about it. Fat neckbeardy chodes with no social skills think they deserve runway models and hate women for not liking them. You rarely see a fat chick complain about not getting attractive men.

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You rarely see a fat chick complain about not getting attractive men.

lollll omg my sides 🤣

[–]reluctantly_red2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They complain about not have a LTR or husband. They all know they can get fucked anytime they like. A fact many, but certainly not all, take advantage of.

[–]Stevefr0mYellowstone15 points16 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

They aren't complaining about it? The whole meme and entire subreddit of "Where are all the Good Men?" wouldn't exist if that was the case.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

they're complaining because they're broke, fat,ugly,and weird and think they deserve hot guys with money. their over inflated sense of self worth is nauseating.

[–]Ziczor 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, but it's the dudes who inflate their ego. Most of guys (low value) would fuck anything that moves. Women see it and think they can get better. Pretty logical.

It's all about QUANTITY (male stragety) vs QUALITY (female strategy) and it will never be solved, cause from biological point of view women HAVE TO pick the best genes. Just accept that, we're no different than filthy animals.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

to say that men need to be reconditioned not to value plain jane and ugly women as much as they do is an understatement.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

They’re not complaining about attractiveness. They’re complaining about how attractive men treat them. Not the same thing.

[–]sleuthoftradesPurple Pill Man7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Completely false. Look at /r/trufemcels and see how many threads you can find that don't go back to being "ignored" by the men they want. They complain all the time that men only care about looks and only pay attention to hot women. If anything, your criticism is more relevant to them because femcels believe men only care about attractiveness while incels know that women care about looks, status, money, etc.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lmao trufemcels complains guys only care about looks but have constant threads about random hookups they are having. All they have to offer is their body then they get mad all men care about is their body.

Edit: lmao I clicked the sub link and the top post right now is a girl complaining she fucked her oneitis and he still doesn't care about her https://www.reddit.com/r/trufemcels/comments/asxl4r

[–]Marino4KGrape juice with a splash of cranberry0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That subreddit is cancer to the eyes

[–]mrcs84usnFatty Fat Neck Beard3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Attractive men either ignore them altogether, or put them in the fuck zone, where they will sleep with them on occasion because they hit a dry spell, but won't be seen with them in public.

[–]ZodiacBrave98Open Hypergamy Triggers Me0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ramone! Bring me a woman with an inflated ego!

[–]palaceposy67066 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You rarely see a fat chick complain about not getting attractive men.

LOL.

[–]Myk13330 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

From what Blackedoutfast said on down in reply to this. No greater truths.

[–]dudenotrightnowfrogs rights activist-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

men whine more about it. what is the female version of an incel? exactly. there are nerdy girls who can't get laid, so they put in effort, try to look more attractive, etc. and boom. find a boyfriend in no time.

[–]ChangeForTheBetter110 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A lot of these guys want easy sex, they don't want relationships. Well, if you're not sexually attractive then women aren't going to want to have to sex with you with no strings attached. Its not that complicated.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

nope.

[–]mcmur5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lmao. If you think men who 'strike' out are 'fat' or 'weird' then you have a strange definition of both of those things. Every man strikes out in his lifetime. Even the fabulously good looking ones. Being rejected is a part of being male. Whether you're fat, fit or otherwise.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (61 children) | Copy Link

The main problem with dudes who complain about not being able to find chicks is lack of persistence, and looking in the wrong places.

Online dating sucks if you are 6 and below looking dude. 7 is where it starts to give mediocre returns and at 8 and up, you're golden.

Social circle game and cold approaching is where it's at for the majority of men. The problem here is that when a dude strikes out he takes it personally, and starts thinking all women are uptight cunts. Men read way too much into a single failure instead of just getting out there more, getting more results and more data to extrapolate from.

The same guy who spends an hour bitching on TRP could've approached 10 women in that time at a mall or bar or campus or the streets or wherever, and probably get at least one number-close. If he spends like a whole week doing this and still can't get a date, THEN it's time to take stock of himself and ask where he needs to self improve.

So, no, not every dude who bitches about not getting a date has the looks of an incel. Some just have the mentality of one. They get bitter/discouraged way too fast. Men are losing touch with the manly art of "fishing" for a chick, getting rejected a dozen times and laughing it off because chasing girlz is a game.

[–]chaddad90009 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Social circle game and cold approaching is where it's at for the majority of men.

Social circle yes, cold approach no. It really is incredibly difficult to meet people through cold approach, probably the *most* difficult way. Sure if someone seems like they're in the mood, you should chat them up. But PUAs came up with this stuff because they realized their clientele did not have good social circles and you couldn't give them normal advice. So really your effort should be expanding your circles with new activities to meet new people and approach in a warm context.

I have a friend who is pretty weird (probably HFA), and he would go to these Meetup groups and the people there were kinda weird or funny-looking too. Worked for him.

[–]rathyAro4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Social circle > cold approach, but if you can cold approach well you are probably going to do better with women than people can't. Cold approach teaches you that people actually want to talk to you and that opens a whole world of options as far as social connections go, not just for picking up women.

[–]CatchPhrazeRed is For Rudolph7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Most people DON'T want to talk to you though? I think if rejections are causing you trauma, then doing the thing with the highest real life rejection rate it probably going to be anti-confidence building, even if it IS normalizing the behavior.

[–]rathyAro0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most people DON'T want to talk to you though

That hasn't been my experience.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Need to crawl before walking.

Someone who has social circle issues will struggle with cold approach.

If the goal is too hard, the person will give up. Most people who need help need to cultivate social circles first since they really really suck

[–]chaddad90000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I wouldn't discourage approaching (appropriately) or picking up a little game, but there's like a hundred gigabytes of posts rotting away on old PUA forums that "just approach 10 women" doesn't really get you anywhere.

I've been cold approaching since I was 16 years old at the mall (long before I heard of PUA), and it might have got me laid twice. For the most part its a waste of time.

[–]ICantQuitReddit2Purple Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It does seem to work better, I like those fellow weird people more.

[–]Wandos7naproxen sodium3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Some just have the mentality of one.

I would have assumed this was covered in the OP by "weird". If you're a 7 but you send a message literally saying "sup" she's not even gonna click through your profile to see your photo if she has other messages in coherent English.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You do realise number rating is arbitrary and means nothing when it comes down to pure hormones and pheromones? Doesn't matter what you and your ugly Mates rate is when she can pull guys much more attractive than you anyway? Lol!

[–]Wandos7naproxen sodium2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup. The number means nothing really. My point was don't be a retard in a text-based opening.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Basically because men are hypergamous and only happy when they are punching above their weight.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

you're using the word hypergamous wrong. Must have relationship first to be hypergamous.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.12 points13 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

How are you limiting hypergamy to only people in relationships? Most of the definitions describe it as a state of being or sexual strategy or related to attraction.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, most men would never entertain the idea of a relationship with a woman on his level or slightly under. That is degrading to his masculinity, such a fine specimen deserves no less than a virginal 16 year old beauty pageant destined for playboy model.

Women who are average like him don't stand a chance because he deserves only the best, and the best is best looking regardless of what else she's done In her life. These 'men' deserve everything they inevitably get.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That is just as hyperbolic as the shit men here say about women’s hypergamy IMO

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

because hypergamy is wanting more/better than what you currently have. the men that can be hypergamous are top tier men.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.7 points8 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Never heard it exclusively defined that way.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

is that not the original definition?

TOP DEFINITION hypergamy Evolutionary Psychology theory on the instinctual desire of humans of the female sex to discard a current mate when the opportunity arises to latch onto a subsequent mate of higher status due to the hindbrain impetus to find a male with the best ability to provide for her OWN offspring (already spawned or yet-to-be spawned) regardless of investments and commitments made to a current mate.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Not exclusively no, the most common is some form of “attracted to someone ‘better than’ you in some form of fashion”

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

they're using it wrong.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

🤷‍♀️ there’s no super consistent definition really

[–]bonslytossChaste Opinionated Weirdo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Typically, hypergamy is specifically referring to the phenomenon that women pursue men who are slightly more valuable than they perceive themselves to be. This video has the commonly agreed upon definition at the six second mark.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Women can solve the problem by approaching guys they think are a good fit for them. Puts the power back in your gender's hands as far as assortive mating.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

These guys just take the piss and use them for sex hence most women not bothering anymore.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

use them for sex hence most women not bothering anymore

Sure, what guy is going to pass up a sure thing. Once the hookup is accomplished if the woman wants more she needs to bring more than just her body to the proverbial table (and offer some proof) .

[–]rathyAro-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, no. Waiting for someone else to approach is most likely going to filter for guys who are just looking to fuck. If you approach the quiet, quirky guy he very likely would be happy with having a gf.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Where are you getting all this? Personal experience or..?

[–]chaddad90002 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

From what I've seen, that's 100% right. Most guys will fuck women they find completely unattractive if they don't have to lift a finger or expose their ego.

Women can lead the horse to water, but they also have to make the guy decide to try to take a drink.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So they do more than women will?

[–]MaterialSea 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

Men are losing touch with the manly art of "fishing" for a chick, getting rejected a dozen times and laughing it off because chasing girlz is a game.

Why do you think they are losing touch?

My theory is women got life equality, so a growing number of men are kind of pissed they are still expected to do everything in dating like it’s 1930. Just something I’ve heard before from other guys my age.

Has feminism equality only worked one way due to our gynocentric society? When it benefits the women? And maybe more people are realizing this? Call me a wimpy male for asking the question. Promote the double standards.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Its a lot of factors rolled into one. Atomization of society - in the past families were bigger and stayed in one place so your older cousins and uncles would teach you some stuff.

Rise of single mom-led homes has contributed, as has the rampant nonsense about “abolish gender roles” which I dont think the majority of men OR women actually want, but sjw infested media and academia are constantly pushing.

General decline in masculinity due to lack of manufacturing jobs, lack of any major wars and rise of service industry, education, health and other feminine fields to fill the gap.

Decline in religiousity. Whatever one may say about tradcons, they at least are clear that men need to be traditional and lead.

The stigmatization of “macho” male culture and shift of upper-middle class males towards the “numale” archetype has been the worst factor in terms of this specific issue we’re talking about. Feminists deluded both men and women into believing that if men toned down their “toxic masculinity” and were more sensitive and compassionate and emotional then women would be happier. Didnt work out that way - as with many other of the lefts harebrained schemes.

Other genius ideas theyve had have been things like “lets just get rid of capitalism” ... at which point millions usually die... but they never learn from their mistakes and just keep trying to “smash” heirarchical structures and traditions that humans have been steadily working on and perfecting for millenia...

[–]MaterialSea 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

Hmm very interesting.

So all of these things happening, it’s the wrong way. Don’t you think women should have equality though? If she wants to do everything a man does? You are saying this is the wrong way?

I agree single motherhood is just bad in any case.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Women should have the same legal rights as men and that’s it. That ship has already sailed though, not sure what the hell feminists are doing at this point other than trying to convince everyone that men ARE women and women are men, except that men are bad and patriarchal and need to apologize... gender doesnt exist and is all made up, except when someone wants to be transgender and then all of a sudden it exists again...

You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Feminism should’ve died off in the 1970s after passage of the civil rights act. Nowadays all they do is try to accrue advantages for women at the expense of men, under the thin guise of levelling the playing field

[–]MaterialSea 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ok I think I see what you are saying. Do you think women don’t want to do prior men things then though? It seems like a lot of women actually want jobs. More women are in college now. I’ve read women are outperforming men in school.

My question is, women have these legal rights to do things only men could do before, whatever it is, they are no longer in their “ah I need a man to come” state. Like women needed to get married back in the old days. Many things.

From their new position of prior male power granted through legal rights, why have they not taken male power in dating? Wouldn’t that be equality?

Now, I stated they don’t have to. We allow it to not be that way by still playing our role. And I also stated it seems like a lot of guys are mad at that though at my age. I’ve heard it more than once as a gripe (I’m pretty young). And you said that we shouldn’t get rid of gender roles in that regard. Only legal rights. Except legal rights grants equality which should equal equality everywhere? So now there’s this new natural imbalance of women having their male advantage in one place and female advantage in the other?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Its not "ok" in the sense of fairness, but life is not fair. Yes, women want to have equality in the workplace and allow inequality outside it and continue to be passive, let men come to them, and have lots of power by being the deciders.

That's just human nature, people make a big shitstorm about areas where they feel other have an unfair advantage, but when it comes to their own unfair advantage they either say nothing or mumble some excuses.

[–]celincelinNeeds to be taught not to rape[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You understand that cold approaching is real life Tinder, mate?

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Persistence is boring. That's what tilts it in women's favour in the first place. If dudes were more aloof & non-nonchalant you would have to do less to get their attention in the first place anyway. I saw during Valentines day guys driving around playing pop songs in their car with balloons attached to window with the girl sitting in the seat playing with her phone while she was eating Cheesecake factory.

Won't ever be me. Besides their Grandiose displays of "Romance"(see:stupidity) made me late for a seriously important business meeting because of Fucking traffic last Thursday. Everything had to be rescheduled until this week & the day it happened I was Fucking livid.

[–]EmpoweredGirlMisanthrope-2 points-1 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

As a guy who has catfished a dude that is a solid 5 out of ten for over 5 years, I can't agree with the common trope that you have to be even close to a 7 for it to work (atleast on tinder). Though the profile I created for him was pretty dope, and gave him the best possible chance. I used a boost and got 7 matches in a day. I think when I actually use it for myself I could do even better than this. There is an art form to online dating!

[–]goatismycopilotJohnI'monlydancing7 points8 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Wait you are a dude who catfished a dude.

[–]openoids2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

playing another dude?

[–]EmpoweredGirlMisanthrope-3 points-2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yh man it was a harsh dig at someone I was an "acquaintance" with, I never deleted the account and went from trolling to researching how to make him as desirable as possible. He's not attractive and his photos are half shit, but I worked it till it worked. For some context I rarely use my phone, but when I do (5 mins a day) then it's tinder, 5 mins a day adds up over 5 years!

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

That's really fucking weird dude. I do kind of wonder if you're maybe gay and in the closet and in denial with yourself

You kind of have that logic of "heh, that stupid "acquaintance" of mine, i totally tricked him into thinking i was gay and letting me fuck him in the ass. He's such a homo, wait until i tell the guys what a fag he is." It's like... you're putting a lot of attention and focus on another male, even if its nominally for the sake of a joke.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can't bitch about child support and being 'trapped' atleast ...lol!!!

[–]EmpoweredGirlMisanthrope-3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm going to stop you there... before you continue to write a trilogy to the narrative you have created. I made a catfish of someone I used to be friends with. I didn't delete the account, in which I've learnt a decent amount from over the years. I'm not going to lie and say it's not weird, though where you're taking this is an exaggeration.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Im just giving you a hard time mate.

[–]EmpoweredGirlMisanthrope0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Phew okay man, you just never know with this sub reddit. It's far from the craziest thing I've heard :D

[–]squiddy_s550gtwhy so butthurt?2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Umm, that's cringey. Why dude, why?

[–]EmpoweredGirlMisanthrope0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It happened, one benefit that came out of it is that I at least have anecdotal evidence against the whole you need to be 7+ for online dating to be effective. Also I don't really care, it's not like it's impacted my life negatively at all :D

[–]321PK 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

You mean you purposefully misled him about your identity? Is that what you’re saying? Why?

[–]EmpoweredGirlMisanthrope0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, I made a tinder for a dude who was not me. Then used it to match, talk and get numbers of women. Of course I did not follow up on any of that though.

[–]Popeman79Red Pill Man0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Matches don't mean much. Maybe it's because the good profile you made him made girls believe he had this amazing personality and life. Or maybe they were bored, or desperate, or looking for validation, etc. Let's see how many of them sent their number and location to fuck (like they do with fake nazi Chad for example).

Also from match to meeting there is work, and even if you do it perfectly a lot of those matches fall. And even if some girl would eventually meet him she would be underwhelmed by his looks and would bail.

[–]EmpoweredGirlMisanthrope0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

His profile (bio) is pretty damn great, not as amazing as mine will be down the line though :D. If done correctly your match to date conversion rate should be getting close to 10%, at a number that high his profile generates more dates than you would even want.

And even if some girl would eventually meet him she would be underwhelmed by his looks and would bail.

If she was charmed by the texts, and then again IRL because he was funny and confident then this doesn't make much sense, as the photos I used were 100% representative. If a women has taken the time to go on a date with you, trust me you have met the looks threshold at least (as long as it's not a blind date). Now it's up to your other traits to either seal or botch the deal.

Or maybe I'm a sexy average height guy with shit facial hair that doesn't even realise my own sexy privilege.
P.S. I've never believed I was anything above average on the looks department, maybe I'm wrong though.

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[–]Popeman79Red Pill Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean I don't disagree with your overall premise, which is that looks aren't everything and that an average looking guy can still pull good numbers.

My comment was about the fact than getting matches on a tinder profile with a few selected pics and a good bio is not indicative of this theory. There is wide disparity between matches and actual fucking. Some women match without putting much thought into it.

But overall I agree with you, personality and frame are as important as looks.

[–]EmpoweredGirlMisanthrope1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yh I would agree with the disparity between matches and fucking, though I would be quite worried if there wasn't at least 1-10 fucks for ever 100 matches. The profile reels in the matches, but the game has to be on point from there to convert, otherwise even 1000 matches can get diddly squat :D

(EDIT, that boost is now up to 12 matches, that's a lot of matches from 30 mins of swiping. It may seem sad spending money on tinder, but buying 10 boosts for £25 is cheaper than a night out grinding, not bad :D)

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women don't want to date men who are settling because they think they are fat and weird.

[–]Rhyat2504 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My friend online dating is a Sasuge fest. In 2016 Tinder gender Ratio was like 68%-Male & 32%-Female so tha means theres alot alot of guys than girl in tinder

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (109 children) | Copy Link

who is claiming to be good looking and bad at dating? There is almost a direct correlation with looks and success, especially in tinder era.

[–]squiddy_s550gtwhy so butthurt?2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Date down

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

why? If i wanted to date down, I would not have tried at all? I would not maintain my abs, or hair, or clothes. I would not even try for higher position at work.

also you realize women in lower leagues also reject men. They don't take the first guy that talks to them.

[–]squiddy_s550gtwhy so butthurt?0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

I can't help you

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

good.

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

That's a shit answer and it's in poor faith. This answer alone shows you have intention of hosting a meaningful debate.

edit: comment retracted

[–]squiddy_s550gtwhy so butthurt?2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I know, but he's just so damn impossible.

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I retract the above comment. After talking on here and trying to reason by PM, I realize he is hopeless.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

giving me advice i already use irl and getting bitter of not being thanked. LOL. actually he didn't even offer advice, just used an insult.

[–]squiddy_s550gtwhy so butthurt?1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's your personality. That's pretty clear. And you obviously want to change

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

bruh, i see you argue with people too. i don't understand where you guys make your conclusions.

[–]meomeowmeoww 1 points [recovered]  (98 children) | Copy Link

sub good looking in with "average"

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (97 children) | Copy Link

ok well what do you expect them to do? be reborn as a conventionally attractive person?

[–]-TheGreasyPole-Pissed Off that Reddit Admins killed my old account2 points3 points  (88 children) | Copy Link

No, make themselves a conventionally attractive person.

It's a fair bit of work but relatively easy to do.

EDIT:

This Guy just got his fucking hair done! Thats all. The guy on the right is more "conventionally attractive", and his genetics facial aesthetics haven’t changed.

This Guy just lost weight. No muscles. No fashion. And he’s not a picture, but the guy on the right is going to do way better.

This Guy changed his hair AND his clothes. The Madman!

This Guy got ripped AND got his hair done!

What do you guys want ?

If it's to be attractive, go make yourself more attractive than you were yesterday. It's not impossible.

[–]squiddy_s550gtwhy so butthurt?1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

But going to a hairdresser requires effort

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

the ironic part, the people that give the advice never do it themselves, hence why they can't understand someone else struggling.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yes they do. The myth of no/low effort as the standard needs to die. Plenty of men care about their hair, clothes, skin, diet, etc. What happens is they aren't predisposed to helping others without good reason, so if they get lost cause vibes they take the hint and give up.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

i've gotten advice from people that don't do those things.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but who cares about those people. Who do you know that is about that life, and do you engage their help?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

what do you mean about that life?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (61 children) | Copy Link

are you advocating for surgery? because there is no way for me to look conventionally attractive. I don't have western facial features.

I've already maxed out those areas and I am still not conventionally attractive.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What's western features? Most white people are boring looking and ugly. From northern European country so know what I'm talking about . The hottest chicks here are always mixed in some way.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Caucasian facial features are the most attractive, the further you are from having those traits, the less conventionally attractive you are.

[–]couldbemage2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Every actual study on this says mixed race faces are the most attractive.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But many Caucasian people are ugly. It's attractive features that are attractive not Caucasian ones.

[–]blackedoutfastRed Pill Man6 points7 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

I don't have western facial features.

oh wow that sucks. if only there was a huge country filled with a billion+ people who look like you where your non-western facial features wouldn't be a disadvantage.....

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy Link

stop being racist.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷5 points6 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

/u/blackedoutfast may be an ignorant racist neo Nazi bridge troll. (/s kind of). But he does kind of have a point. If being “non western” read:brown was a death sentence, brown people wouldn’t be the majority of the world. You don’t have to go to India. Indian men do fine where I live. It comes down to working on your personality, learning how to dress, get a decent haircut, develop some hobbies, and most of all don’t make what you’re lacking the center of your life and give it all your mental energy. That advice applies to men of all races.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

easier said than done. i don't even know what a good personality is. considering criminals and fuck boys have a good personality.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

No. It’s not easy. if you want easy stick with what you’ve got.

[–]squiddy_s550gtwhy so butthurt?2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

He's not wrong. When you strike out in one area. Move to another

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shallow people who only like blondes surely got phased out in early high school and not taken seriously since..most attractive people I know we're dark haired and eyed...the blondes tend to be Inbreds

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

nonsensical advice. this is like telling someone to saw off their hands for not being able to play piano.

[–]reluctantly_red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't have western facial features.

So what? The world is full of attractive people who are not European. I'm sitting in a Starbucks and the guy at the next table is black and damn good looking (I'm a straight guy and even I can tell).

[–]WestsideMoonWalkerChonks Pheel the Phonk1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You can be unconventionally attractive. I look pretty Eastern European/Mediterranean and have an odd mix of features to some people, but it still works. Being conventionally anything isn't always attainable, so if you can't, find a niche.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your either attractive or your not. Just because you dont have blond hair and blue eyes doesn't mean your unconventionally attractive...your attractive end of..some people havnt a bloody clue..deluded beyond belief

[–]WestsideMoonWalkerChonks Pheel the Phonk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are 100% people who are attractive, but only to a niche, or who don't have broad appeal. Wtf are you going on about.

[–]-TheGreasyPole-Pissed Off that Reddit Admins killed my old account1 point2 points  (36 children) | Copy Link

Unless you've been working your ass off for at least 2 years, trying every day to do things to make you look more attractive.... you don't need surgery to make you look more attractive.

There are plenty of other things you can do that will make you look more attractive. It's just going to involve getting off your ass and doing shit.

Look at the "before" pictures of 3 and 4 again.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (35 children) | Copy Link

actually 4 years TBH, i don't mind publicly posting my pic because you guys don't believe me

[–]-TheGreasyPole-Pissed Off that Reddit Admins killed my old account3 points4 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

You've been working your ass off for 4 years, and you don't look any more attractive than you started ?

What have you been doing for 4 years to make you more attractive ?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That last guy looks on juice.

[–]-TheGreasyPole-Pissed Off that Reddit Admins killed my old account0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe our guy needs juice.

Looks to me like he used juice too.

But he certainly made himself look a lot more attractive than when he started out.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Lost weight went from 160 lbs to 130 lbs, then worked on muscle i'm currently 150 lbs. I've been trying to get stronger while not getting too fat and it's been super hard with my genes. currently 150 lbs, I changed my whole ward drobe, i've tried 4-5 different hairstyles(even paid 50 dollars for a haircut, with the stylist knowing nothing about hairstyles.)

[–]-TheGreasyPole-Pissed Off that Reddit Admins killed my old account8 points9 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Then why is your posting history all league of legends, calculus and gaming subreddits for 4 years ?

Where are your TRP posts ? Your /r/fitness or /r/malefashionadvice posts ? Shit, even you /r/relationships posts ?

Where/How have you learned to approach women ? Where is your posts or history of developing interesting hobbies or social proof ?

Why does your reddit history, at least, scream "guy who plays computer games, does calculus, and whines on the internet" ?

And... Unless you're 4ft 6 why were you losing weight to look more attractive at 160lb ? I mean, alright. If you are 4ft 6 you're going to have problems. Not going to kid you.

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

If your attitude is as shitty IRL as it is in this thread, there's your answer

[–]meomeowmeoww 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

send him a picture lol

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

you already have them and said nothing at all.

[–]meomeowmeoww 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

HIM not me

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Are you a woman?

[–]squiddy_s550gtwhy so butthurt?1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Worse, he's British

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes British men are the ugliest in the west but why hold it against them? They are worth more right🤣

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am Indian

[–]-TheGreasyPole-Pissed Off that Reddit Admins killed my old account-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No.

[–]-TheGreasyPole-Pissed Off that Reddit Admins killed my old account0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How in hell has this got downvoted TWICE.

You can't see it, because you're not a mod, but it's on -1.

Honestly, PPD members.... we ask you not to downvote... Fuck.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Hair doesn't make a man attractive neither does clothes ..what makes a man attractive is true unadulterated masculinity and hardness..pretty face hmmmm NO it's hideous unless your a gay guy or attention seeking teen...some of the hottest guys ugly but masculine not a feminised pussy hole

[–]jonascf0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

..what makes a man attractive is true unadulterated masculinity and hardness..

Cultivating hardness is an act that can be chosen, just like the act of getting fit or getting a new haircut.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

True... obviously a bit of grooming helps but I personally find it very unattractive when a man is vain and spends a lot of time and money on his appearance, wears make up. Uses fake tan and sunbeds etc. it's just off-putting lol.

[–]-TheGreasyPole-Pissed Off that Reddit Admins killed my old account0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Chnaging your hair can make your face look more masculine, if thats your objective.

Women are also attracted to guys who are "fashionable" as it indicates good social skills and good social standing. Again, cutting your hair to complement your face in a fashionable way also makes you attractive via this route.

It's a small addition. Perhaps only adding 1-2% to your attractiveness when done well, but every bit counts. And it's a very easy bit to do only requiring an investment of an hour or two.

It's "investment to return" ratio is very high.

Even lifting (which may add 10-20% to your attractiveness) doesn't have as high a ROI as it takes months or years of hard work, and hundreds of man hours, to achieve that.

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Notice the similarity in all 4 photos? The guy on the right not only looks better, he carries himself with confidence. Confidence is king.

[–]meomeowmeoww 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

if you stab yourself in the foot i dont want to hear your whining about how much it hurts

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

how is being born not conventionally attractive, the same thing as stabbing your foot with your voluntary actions?

[–]meomeowmeoww 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

how is being born not conventionally attractive

no, wrong part. chasing women points above you is what.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

there is no established league for me. where do you get the idea of your value?

[–]meomeowmeoww 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

comparison of my looks/weight with other women, and actions from men towards me.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

not possible.

[–]meomeowmeoww 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

why not?

[–]Bigsmell1983 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Your title doesn't match your text.

[–]TheMedsPedsBlue Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for pointing that out! I was hoping to see a discussion about the common trend of fat, autist gamer neckbeards bitching they can't get 7+ when they are 2-4's themselves. However, there isn't AS BIG OF a trend of ugly or fat women who are 2-4's complaining about not being able to get 7+ men.

[–]squiddy_s550gtwhy so butthurt?0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not good at titles

[–]SavingsTraffic1115 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Lol. Are you implying that "fat or weird" women are willing to date fat, weird guys? Even an overweight girl would still be flooded with messages on Tinder, both from fat and non-fat guys. Why would she date on her level when she has every opportunity to date up?

[–]squiddy_s550gtwhy so butthurt?1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Oh please. Pretty boys don't date fatties. Some will fuck one, but that's about it

[–]SavingsTraffic1110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am not talking about top SMV pretty boys. The point is that a weird fat woman most likely would not date a weird fat guy, because by virtue of being female she can date above her league.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

If a fatty has the choice of having casual sex with a hot guy or having casual sex with a not hot guy which one do you think she'll choose?

[–]squiddy_s550gtwhy so butthurt?1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe she wants a relationship?

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If she's a pretty fatty that shouldn't be a problem. I'm far from the only guy who likes fat chicks.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Fat weird chicks are mostly dating fit or skinny weird dudes.

Skinny weird chicks are dating mental chadlites.

Basically the girls at the absolute bottom and those at the absolute top tend to be single, due to different reasons though.

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And while I have gotten interest from obese rainbo-haired feminists, I'd rather not bother than go that low.

[–]Venicedreaming5 points6 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Most fat chicks are single and not dating anyone. Ugly chicks are also mostly single also. In other news bottom barrel people are usually single male or female

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most fat chicks are single and not dating anyone.

This is not true -- pretty fatties get lots of action and are seldom single. Of course not every fatty is pretty.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Most fat chicks are single and not dating anyone.

Just getting pumped and dumped by better looking guys.

Single woman = no stable BF. Single man = dick in hand.

[–]Venicedreaming1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Even if that is true, which it isn’t, but I’m going to entertain you and pretend that it is for a moment: Women value sex way less than men, so why would getting pump and dump be something you’d be envious of? Isn’t TRP theory also about how much women value relationship over sex?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Women value sex way less than men, so why would getting pump and dump be something you’d be envious of?

It's not. The difference is these women can at least find someone they can find momentary comfort with. Most men can't. More importantly, I can't.

Nobody forces these women to go ahead and have sex with these guys on the first (or second, or third for that matter) date. And if the man leaves, let him leave. You got what you wanted out of the dating process.

The reason why a lot of these jokes about women are made is that, for the right guy, women DO give up sex EXTREMELY easily.

For all the talk of independence, most women realize they seek male value for support and security and have little of value to retain a desirable man (at least in their eyes) with when they find one. So they offer him sex. The man takes the sex and then leaves.

Men are the ones who have to be stoic and independent. Women can always count on society, their friends, beta simps for support. Even if that support is offered under a covert contract of fertility or expecting / hoping for sex.

After all how many women out there use the availability and "services" of a beta male and never offer him anything in return? At best if she fails to find a desirable male by her mid 30s - 40s, the most helpful beta might get to marry her up and have autistic children who will go on to be the next generation's sipms and/or psychos.

[–]Venicedreaming1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Single women have a lot less sex than you imagine. And you’re also equating sex for women to sex for you, it’s really not on the same scale. Women can go on years or decades not having sex and mostly unphased by it, not crying woe is me like you. ONS is deeply unfulfilling later in life and I doubt most older women participate in it much, especially unattractive ones. Most women do not find comfort in pump and dump, so you need to decide if access to sex for women something you keep bringing up as an advantage some how. And even if the access to sex is there, most women don’t/won’t take advantage of that fully if the selection is not good, just by pure safety logistics, not something men think about often. And when a woman is low enough on the SMP the quality of men is also low enough that most women then would just choose to be alone. Again just to emphasize how unimportant sex really is for women.

Now when you say women have more friends and therefor less lonely in general, that’s true but how is this women’s fault? Women friends are other women, and family. Nothing is keeping men from being friends with each other

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Single women have a lot less sex than you imagine.

Absolutely true since the top % of desirable men have a small # of sex encounters with a large # of women.
The Institute for Family Studies (IFS) concluded, based on GSS data, that the top 20% of men have 50-60% of the sex.

Women can go on years or decades not having sex

So can I. Last I checked not having sex until I was 29 didn't impair me from living.

and mostly unphased by it, not crying woe is me like you.

Ad hominem, nice! Those unfazed, stoic women.
And it's not as if sex is a lot less important to women on average (women get really horny less often than men do) and when it is, women only value having it with Chads.

ONS is deeply unfulfilling later in life and I doubt most older women participate in it much, especially unattractive ones.

Most older women don't really have all that much sex. At best they have a dildo at home and maybe get with a guy a few times a year.

And when a woman is low enough on the SMP the quality of men is also low enough that most women then would just choose to be alone. Again just to emphasize how unimportant sex really is for women.

Sex is so unimportant that women would rather stay single than date a man in their league, got it. So a woman who's a 3 would rather stay single for life if she can't date AT LEAST a 6 or a 7. Coolio!

Now when you say women have more friends and therefor less lonely in general, that’s true but how is this women’s fault? Women friends are other women, and family. Nothing is keeping men from being friends with each other

Women are more naturally included in social circles, even less attractive ones. Men aren't. Men have to prove themselves more to be allowed in social groups. Men also have to be proactive to be allowed continued access to the social group.

Competition is generally keeping men from being friends with eachother.

[–]Venicedreaming0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

So yes, women would rather date no one than date anyone they don’t like. I don’t see why this is a problem, it’s a free country. The friends part, if men can’t be friends with each other again I don’t see why this is women’s fault

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

That just means sex is so important to women they'd rather forego it than date someone of equal value.

Some women have driven wedges in male friendships, but for the most part it's not women's fault. It's biology's fault.

For example male gorillas go from being relatively smart apes in their teens (with even some limited capacity to recognize their own mirror image) to full blown testosterone fueled aggression machines that will make them attack their own mirror image as adults.

Testosterone literally makes male gorillas more stupid as they transition into adulthood. But it's also a crucial factor in attracting females.

We're a bit more cognizant than that, but not by a lot.

[–]Venicedreaming0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Humanity has an advantage over apes in cognizant though and definitely is more progressive than apes. To fall back on the crutch and blame men’s or women’s problem on lizard brain wiring, that’s just lazy

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Get them to bathe with you by making the excuse you just got back from the gym and smell bad.

Turn the lights off and only touch the giant tits and ass

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL

[–]rus9384Misanthrope3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Never thought skinny is top. Nice juicy ass showing some gym effort is much better.

[–]tmep-account17290 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Huzzah, a man of quality!

[–]speed3_freakOld School Red-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

showing some gym effort is much better

Jesus Christ yes!! A 25 year old woman who has worked her ass off in the gym to stay decently fit is WAY sexier than some skinny ass 21 year old who thinks running for a mile once a week is what keeps her skinny ass in shape. Effort matters way more than people believe.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men aren't the problem. Women are even more 'weird' and 'cringey' by their own standards, and men typically go for girls below their league. You really think if men were the problem gay relationships would have the lowest break-up rates? The single biggest predictor of a relationship failing is a woman being involved in it. Women who date other women dump/reject even faster than women who date men. Dumping, rejecting, and being generally unhappy and having low disgust tolerance is a female defect that leads to dating problems for BOTH genders.

[–]LUClENSociology of Sex &Courtship5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm weird and would love to date a weirdo. I have no idea where we hang out

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right here

[–]ICantQuitReddit2Purple Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah a lotta weirdos don't go out as much it seems.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Short men are striking out, too.

[–]squiddy_s550gtwhy so butthurt?1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But they still get laid. Just not as much

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fat men > short men in the eyes of women.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Play the cards yur dealt bro.

I'm 5'5 and yeah it sucks but keep rolling the dice till you win.

Go for girls the same size as you and build some muscle to make em feel smaller.

Gotta be chill and expect people to comment on your height, they probably won't but if they do they won't catch you off guard. Now you can retort but yur calm and didn't get flustered than if they caught you in a surprise attack

If my short ethnic ass got with Latinas, East Asians and small town White girls then there's no excuse for anyone else

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

If my short ethnic ass got with Latinas, East Asians and small town White girls then there's no excuse for anyone else

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Nah. I wouldn't pay. Plus I had no money as a teenager.

These girls were all plain, but luckily I think plain is pretty attractive. I think the girls that are "super hot" look like aliens

I don't have super dark skin. I'm dark enough that I'm obviously not white, but light enough that people have trouble guessing my ethnicity.

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Always a very smart strategy to be more flexible about looks.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I didn't choose to be flexible lol. It's just the way I am.

I don't mind a little chubby, throw some freckles and red hair and in my book that's a 10/10 but most of my friends think it's a 6

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

LOL you did the same thing I did, effectively speaking. I filtered for behavioral quality traits and plain and chubby women made up most of the women I clicked with. Didn't care. They were good women and in bed, well... yeah, good strategy. Married a great wife, too. But now I have a son racing toward puberty and I'm worried as fuck.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

What are you worried about for your son? Scared he will become an incel or something?

[–]LeJacquelopeHaving a son is child abuse0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Dude, I'm worried about all young men about to face this dating market. Even a chad could have an average son, and average men are living a dating dystopia right now as we speak.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Encourage him to do any sport he likes and let him switch if he gets bored. I loved track and field and wrestling.

Teach him about life lessons while he is young but keep them simple for now. Budgeting, the importance of understanding personal finance, intellectual development and knowledge+skill acquisition, and why it's important to do what you want and not what everyone else wants you to do to serve their motives.

Also do stuff with him. My best memories we're building shit with my dad and going to home Depot and learning how to use tools and problem solving and stuff. I learned what working hard truly meant when we would lay heavy concrete slabs as a foot path. I felt like a man and actually connected to my dad when both of us worked together to build something and we would get stuck but then we would problem solve together and shit. Like when he is involved with any manual labor, it's hard to be a prissy phag since you will get dirty and smell and will probably bleed a bit plus it is a license to yell and swear at your dad while building shit lol

Teach your son how to not be a faggot.

He is probably going to copy your personality+behavior more than you would think. So be the man you want him to be

As a kid I was sooo different compared to my dad, after leaving university I somehow morphed into him completely. I used to spend money like a mad an and couldn't accumulate $$ to save my life. Afterwards I have become so into budgeting and frugal that my dad now gets embarrassed of me and says I've become a cheapskate!

[–]CatchPhrazeRed is For Rudolph1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, mean screech about hypergamy in woman but then don't seem to realize that 50-70% of the population is fat to obese, and it's almost more then 70% in the southern states and mexico. If you want someone who is fit and attractive, you must be at least more fit and attractive then those 50-70% of other males just for it to be even. Most people aren't attractive, if you aren't putting in the effort to be, why should someone who is, date you?

[–]Planetof121 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What is 'good looking and successful'? Can you be more specific on that?

It's possible these traits are actually quite difficult to achieve, and are higher for men than women. For example, where I'm from, pretty much the ONLY guys that are doing alright with women are stick-thin. That's a body you can't even get at the gym. They're not fit, only skinny.

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You also have to keep in mind that men need to be both good-looking, successful, AND the active party. Being active is exhausting.

Men who send dick pics or start convo's in online dating with "I wanna taste you" or 'want sum fuk" are douchebags. I saw this happening to my friends. It's beyond someone approaching awkwardly with a silly pick-up line but is creepy.

A woman has no right to complain about being unattractive UNLESS she approaches and she initiates. If a female friend talked to me about how nobody approaches her, I'd tell her to get active and approach men on her own. If she does the approaching and gets constant rejections, I'd give her emotional support and help her ease the pain since rejection does suck.

[–]ScootsScoots1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed, however the fat weird girls dont want the fat weird guys either. Every girl thinks they deserve a good catch, even the fat disgusting slobs with no personality. Every now and then, they will get some dick from some bored drunk guy who hasn't been laid in two weeks. The fat weird guy will simply NOT get laid.

The dating game is truly lonely for fat weird dudes.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The more weight a woman puts on, the more the average man's attraction just starts shutting off. It can't be controlled at all. Its biologically ingrained in us.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Some women can get very fat and still be attractive. It all depends on how the weight is distributed.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lol.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Never underestimate the allure of a giant fat backside.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gross.

[–]SubstantialNegro1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope. Women always get a man, no matter how weird they are. Weird men are shamed, labeled "creeps" and "mysogynist". Ehatever the fuck that means.

[–]WhisperTotally LARPing. Really.1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

No one wants to date unattractive people. Not even other unattractive people.

So become attractive.

[–]squiddy_s550gtwhy so butthurt?0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You didn't read it did you?

[–]WhisperTotally LARPing. Really.1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I read the title. How much more of my time do you want?

[–]squiddy_s550gtwhy so butthurt?0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

All of it. I want all your time!!!!!

I spent 5 minutes coming up with that nonsense. It's my pride and joy😡

[–]WhisperTotally LARPing. Really.1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Decent A&A. But if I wanted to shit test ya, I'd have put on some lipstick first.

Anyway, point is, it's not "hypocrisy" for fat ugly men not to want fat ugly women, or vice versa. Everyone is attracted to attractive people, because that's what attractive means.

[–]EmpoweredGirlMisanthrope0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I agree with the paragraph, though the title... fat dude =/= fat chick. Honestly if we graphed the skill required to succeed with women rating from 0-10 then you would find that the line wouldn't be that steep and the y intercept would be fairly high. In other words it's bad advice to tell guys who are failing with average girls to date down with bottom of barrel girls, it doesn't improve their chances enough to warrant going that far. Though the lower you go the more girls you will find with lower self esteem and those are the low hanging fruit, (though look hard enough and you'll find even above average ones like that).

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Have you ever fucked a fat woman? The sweat 😱

[–]EmpoweredGirlMisanthrope1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah man, fat women repulse me sexually, harsh I know but it's the truth. Was that worth?

[–]reluctantly_red-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fatties are fun!

[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol

[–]Sad_Virgin_Beta_Male2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're delusional lmao.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you telling me fat weird women dont often do the same?

Its been my experience when I see complaints its not that guys wont have sex with those women, guys just wont go the extra mile like the will for much more attractive women.

Yeah you find fat guys that just wont date fat women or who have unrealistic expectations, but I just dont see that as being common.

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Guys don't want to put the effort to be in a relationship with a woman below their standards, regardless of how they themselves look. Everybody imagines themselves with someone in their prime.

[–]mgtownigga0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

ill agree with the fat part, but weird? man, a lot of chicks are fucking weird or have some sort of issue. I've banged plenty of attractive women and most of them have issues, with several to the point of needing psychaitric help and even hopspitalization. Rofl girls be crazy

[–]squiddy_s550gtwhy so butthurt?0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Did you read the part about dick pics?

[–]SupremeMystique0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You forgot that women reject short guys as well but short guys don't reject short women.

[–]OverAnalyzingAutist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

From my experience this isn't the case at all. Being weird and fat doesn't make you find other weird and fat people any more attractive. And a lot of fat, weird women, simply won't settle for fat, weird men. Personally, I'm a pretty weird guy, but I'm not fat, and I still can't find a single woman willing to date me, fat, weird, normal, skinny, it doesn't matter, despite the fact that I live in a country with a massive obesity rate. For truly unattractive men, fat, weird women still aren't an option.

[–]jonathino001MGTOW0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you've ever heard of hypergamy then you should understand that this is a behavior far more common from women than men. Women have much higher standards than men. They are that way because it's the most effective evolutionary strategy, since they can only give birth once every nine months at most, while for men there is no downside to having sex with lower quality women.

Men who claim to be good looking, successful, and can't find someone are lying and need to address their issues. Preferably staying away from extreme cringey behaviors

They might not be a chiseled adonis, but it's very possible they're at least passably attractive. It's the cringey behaviors that are the problem.

[–]ValuableStretch0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You would get PTSD if you saw the women I slept with. A man who is purple pilled knows what is up and he gets what has been made available to him

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[–]WhatIsTheMeaningHere2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Aside from random dick pics, they ranged from "i wanna taste you". To "sup", to "want sum fuk?"

On the other side, there are guys who go the extreme nice guy, sjw approach. Thry tend to get ignored or put in the friend zone.

Are these two extremes that don't work and you're advocating for balance, or is the first one the one you think works?

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

And get a Mustang for the dry spouts, gotta have something fun to do with your time.

P.S. I don't have a Mustang but I do have a pony.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Gsxr 1000 if you want to feel some power.

Wait do you actually have a horse?

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't have an actual horse... anymore at least.

I have an enduro I take to the desert from time to time which is why I said a pony, its just a lil baby for doing some wheelies and romping around.

[–]goatismycopilotJohnI'monlydancing2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Basically. Yup.

[–]kandyapplezincel larping as a thot2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

men strike out because ugly guys think they can have casual sex. if all you're offering a woman is dick and a good time then she can get that from a hot guy no matter what. offer women actual relationships and you wont have women in your league turning you away.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

OP i'm neither fat or weird. Can't date anybody that is within 5-8 range.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles3 points4 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Get Plastic surgery to make yourself look more Caucasian.

Either that or accept the girls yur getting. If you already put in 4 years of effort, you have probably maxed our your potential unless you change yur bones

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

i'm not getting any girls though, can't determine my level.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy Link

I thought you have been with girls in the past?

Can't you gauge their attractiveness as a proxy for yourself?

What do you look like? Dark skin or North Indian? Balding, hairy, strong natural BO (I'm REALLY SMELLY naturally and can't stand my own stench and gotta stay on top of it), height, hobbies, tattoos.

Where do you try to get girls, are you someone more valuable than the girls in that context?

Gimme something to work off

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

people would say the girls i dated are 6's + also i met them online so I don't count that as attracting someone.

we already talked about most of your questions. dark skin, not bald, not hairy, no BO, 5'7, don't have hobbies, don't have tattoos. I talk to girls on campus, clubs or mall. define valuable.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

What are you studying?

Value in a club could mean you are an older member on a team and give you her athletes pointers.

You need hobbies bro, easiest way to get women to have lower guards is when they go to have fun and yur doing the same.

Gotta find some way to appeal to women.

When I was at camp, I was the first non white guy a lot of these small town girls had seen, I was also really athletic and pushed the exotic factor to get them.

In University I am an executive in a lot of clubs and use that to get some of the younger members since I am leading a bunch of younger members and I'm super relaxed since I've been doing this for years.

Other than the lack of hobbies/clubs maybe it's the Indian facial characteristics are holding you back. Also the dark skin.

But hobbies are easiest to fix, plastic surgery is a much bigger decision, and yur stuck with the skin you were born with so no point focussing on it

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

lol, club = night clubs. I actually wouldn't be able to pass my classes if i spent time on hobbies. I work full time as well.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

By clubs I mean on campus shit.

I made most of my friends there and the girls tend not be super bitchy.

It's a lot easier than cold approaching.

How do you work full time and go to university? If classes are during the day, do you work in the evening? When do you find time to study?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Classes in the morning. Also don't really feel like driving back to campus from work. Guess i'm pretty hopeless in that regard.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Then that's not actually your range. The sad fact is that the marketplace establishes our range regardless of how we may feel about that.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

overweight women have rejected me as well, there isn't a tier under that so.......

[–]reluctantly_red-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Overweight doesn't mean ugly -- some fatties are stunningly beautiful.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

it's incompatible with my lifestyle though.

[–]reluctantly_red-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Never a good Idea to spend 24/7 with a woman. You can do your thing and she can go to the buffet.

[–]jax006Wants to bang ~20% of PPD chicks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This post made me feel bad. Go away you mollusc

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