Am I the only one who notices that men who discover TRP tend to be broken in some way?

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2019-02-20T14:20:13+00:00

Is this a joke? Who else would join self help communities, people succeeding in what the community helps?

You know what I noticed too? People who go to alcoholics anonymous tend to have drinking problems. Weird

SerpentCypher · 2019-02-20T08:47:06+00:00

People that don't have problems don't go looking for solutions. That's common sense. Of course Chad wouldn't look for TRP, what help does he need in the SMP? Chad thrives by virtue of being Chad.

Eastuss · 2019-02-20T09:18:25+00:00

Most of the ‘chads’ I’ve met in my everyday life, who’ve had everything right for them would not know what TRP was and would actually most likely laugh if they’ve ever read it.

No, they would say everything TRP says is true but they just felt everything was natural. People can be RP without knowing TRP... People who don't have problem don't go look for solutions, as someone said, but it doesn't mean those solutions aren't applied everyday everywhere subconsciously already.

When I came across TRP, I was glad I found other people thinking like me, I wasn't the only one, then I didn't read it any further because I don't need it. I'm not chad tho, just not having issues right now, and when I had issues, every solution I deployed and which were effective were boiling down to what TRP advices men to do.

rus9384 · 2019-02-20T10:28:17+00:00

Chads do not need TRP. RP is their inborn knowledge. At least that's RP position.

In fact you are right. Those guys who are unsatisfied in their life seek for a fix.

bonslytoss · 2019-02-20T11:21:33+00:00

It's no coincidence. About 99% of all men are raised to behave in a way beneficial to society. Whether due to perception or an actual reality, discovering the harsh truth that they are tools to everyone in their life will usually break a man. Especially if he invested his time and money into society before losing his investment.

The most important piece of advice I can give to someone attempting to understand the RP point of view is that men absolutely HATE taking the red pill. Eventually, most red pillers do come around and learn to love the new reality they decide on for themselves, but initially it's at the hands of tragedy. Society needs to wake up, smell the coffee, and realize that a statistically significant portion of men are feeling ruined and broken by the system they faithfully supported. Most of these men will be content to simply "leave the plantation," but the most ruined and broken of these men will turn to violence and malcontent.

Blabberm0uth · 2019-02-20T08:46:43+00:00

LOL the entire dating system is broken, IMO hopelessly beyond repair. TRP is but a symptom of that.

says_harsh_things · 2019-02-20T11:26:18+00:00

Ive had plenty of success before i ever found out about trp.

Doesnt mean it isnt true.

sadomasochrist · 2019-02-20T13:24:43+00:00

Men do not have real resources to self improvement beyond that which is self-evident.
Men do not like the picture we paint for them.
Men do not like what this picture means, in terms of how they expected their relationships to be.
They come to TRP's doorstep as a last resort after exhausting all other mental avenues and "resources."

Basically once they land on our doorstep the entire world has already failed them and they're in jeopardy of losing one of their most coveted belief systems.

Daffan · 2019-02-20T10:59:29+00:00

Why would 'chad' who is blessed with attractiveness and an easy life have any reason to find help?

dicklord_airplane · 2019-02-20T14:19:18+00:00

Youre right, most of the guys who need the red pill are fucked in the head because they've had so many bad experiences with the opposite sex. I think a lot of people operate under the "women are wonderful" assumption and can't understand that so many women treat men like garbage and give them mental hangups.

I was just talking with a couple of these guys at work the other day. One guy said that all of his exes have cheated on him in recent years, and now he's having a lot of trouble trusting women. Another guy told me a heinous story of how his ex girlfriend threatened to falsely accuse him of things if he broke up with her because she wanted to manipulate him into paying for her baby, who came from her previous partner. These sorts of experiences will transform normal guys into a paranoid, woman-hating messes, and a lot of them end up going to the red pill for solace and understanding from others who can relate to their experiences.

Like everyone else said, the red pill is a reaction. Its a symptom of a problem, and its not just going to go away if you ignore it.

darudeboysandstorm · 2019-02-20T12:28:05+00:00

Well yeah no shit... it's a self-help community, no one goes to self-help resources if they don't have problems they need to fix.

leftwingsoysquad · 2019-02-20T13:22:11+00:00

I only discovered the TRPers, MRAers because their opponents were so vocal against them. Lots of the perspectives/ideas jived with my real world observations. I'm very analytical and observant, so I liked the fact that men could discuss these ideas and I could see other viewpoints.

Then it became popular and seemed to devolve. Now MRAs and TRPers are never mentioned and there are other "boogeymen". I've checked out TRP a few times since the quarantine and it looks like the quality of content has gone back up, but I'm looking more at other aspects of sociology.

There are a lot of very insightful people who would NEVER be able to challenge the orthodoxy in academia without being beaten over the head with "microaggression" type BS, I think a lot of the sociologically inclined people tend to float off while the SJW types have colonized the post-secondary institutions.

2019-02-20T21:04:47+00:00

Compared to what? Male feminists? Bahahahaha

MGTOWManofMystery · 2019-02-20T22:19:36+00:00

All humans are broken in some way.

equanimous_samsara · 2019-02-20T09:01:58+00:00

You could take everything you wrote and apply it fair number of people in almost any group. In fact, there's a good chance you could be describing a non-RP on this sub and you're going to accidentally make them feel like shit when they read that.

Of course I bet many TRPs are, but how are they special when it comes to this?

squiddy_s550gt · 2019-02-20T08:53:10+00:00

I've noticed broken men in all aspects of life. It's a real shit show out there.

Also. Paragraphs. For the love of God use paragraphs

2019-02-20T09:53:19+00:00

Broken man here

Fixed

2019-02-20T13:00:22+00:00

A lot of the times, they are coming out of toxic relationships, dysfunctional households, and have poor social skills and low self esteem.

You confusing MGTOW with TRP (again).

Many MGTOW men are traumatized by women so much they just leave it. You need a good reason to leave sex behind to a man.

Most of the ‘chads’ I’ve met in my everyday life, who’ve had everything right for them would not know what TRP was and would actually most likely laugh if they’ve ever read it.

My brother is a natural. He accept it is the truth. Yeah, he find it funny that someone put it into words, but not that it is wrong in some way. I wonder where do you think you got this?

The other naturals I know have some kind of this perception too. The only naturals which do not have this vision, are those which got there without ANY self effort, like those blessed with perfect genes or just stupidly rich.

A lot of TPRers I’ve also noticed, despite what they say, are very needy and tend to seek validation.

Unlikely, TRP is a corner of the internet, and none talks about it outside. It is the epitome of hiding. Why would that have anything to do with validation? Because they want sex?

Sex is a end in itself. Validation has little to no value compared to it.

I’ve seen long bitter posts written in the community after they’ve been rejected or putting down other men who somehow are more capable than they are out of spite Some will even try to make bad decisions in life seem like the best way to thrive when most people would rather not go that route.

Now you are confusing black pills with red pills (again).

Does anyone have thoughts on this?

tl:dr, you cannot separate any of the manosphere subreddits. and should look for reading the subs before posting.

2019-02-20T17:44:51+00:00

Any group that opposes the mainstream or status quo tends to be comprised of the "bitter". That isn't always an argument for the members all being inherent losers. Sometimes the status quo itself is broken, and breaks enough people to where you get a movement of broken people who then gang up to break their former breakers, leading to a new status quo - and the cycle then repeats.

abaxeron · 2019-02-20T09:23:38+00:00

Am I the only one who notices that men who discover TRP tend to be broken in some way?

No, of course you're not the only one; a lot of people immediately jump to this conclusion as soon as they discover anything that questions the gynocentric dogma.

A lot of the times, they are coming out of toxic relationships, dysfunctional households, and have poor social skills and low self esteem

And you managed to deduce this all just by looking at text on the monitor and at Youtube videos often made by authors who maintain anonymity

Most of the ‘chads’ I’ve met in my everyday life, who’ve had everything right for them would not know what TRP was and would actually most likely laugh if they’ve ever read it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_divorces

Look at Michael Jordan, what an omega.

A lot of TPRers I’ve also noticed, despite what they say, are very needy and tend to seek validation

And you managed to deduce this all just by looking at text on the monitor and at Youtube videos often made by authors who maintain anonymity

I’ve seen long bitter posts written in the community after they’ve been rejected or putting down other men who somehow are more capable than they are out of spite

I've seen long bitter posts written by women trying to justify women who smothered their own babies. Therefore /s, either all/most women smother their babies, /s or all women secretly want to smother their babies /s.

I've got nothing. This is the most bizarrely obvious case of non-evidence in existence.

Does anyone have thoughts on this?

As I said in the beginning, almost everyone.

But, to limit myself to my thoughts, you forget one tiny detail:

ALMOST ALL men in existence suffered at the hands of women and found no justice.

If you combine men who got recreationally divorced, men who ended up in prison because of women, men who had mentally unstable and abusive mothers, men who suffered from utter incompetence and biases of female state civil servants, men who were abused by their wives and/or girlfriends - you'll definitely end up with almost every man in existence.

I consider the RP sample of men to be more "representative" than whatever UMC white-collar low-crime-neighborhood echo-chamber bubbles Bloops hang out in. RP has more right to be called "the bigger world".

2019-02-20T09:39:38+00:00

Why would that be a surprise? People don't get bitter and resentful for no reason

NeedingAdvice86 · 2019-02-20T16:42:35+00:00

You apparently missed that 90% of ALL regular reddit posters are broken AF?

And you comment about what Chads would think of the information on the TRP site is completely WRONG or either you haven't actually met any Chads.

A natural would say "well, of course, duh".

Now keep in mind I am talking about the info not the dolts that languish on the sub message board...those are the truly broken. Most guys who stumble across TRP do so silently, read much of the material, make small adjustments to their behavior, go find a GF or two then leave never to look back. That is not the ones on the subs who are the most obtuse and to overboard as they tend to do with everything.

They usually comment would be

AyeThatsAGoodNagger · 2019-02-20T16:54:14+00:00

Sure. If you’re part of the small minority of men who benefit from the current dysfunctional sexual marketplace, you likely would have no reason to be critical of it. Anybody who asserts otherwise (on the level of generalization; I’m not saying it applies to each and every redpilled man) is just trying to protect their ego. That doesn’t say anything about whether the ideas themselves are correct or incorrect.

2019-02-20T17:01:32+00:00

coming up next: the average r/fitness new subscriber is fat

NalkaNalka · 2019-02-20T17:45:09+00:00

Well shit, someone noticed that a hospital has a lot of sick and injured people in it.

MCAsomm · 2019-02-20T18:14:00+00:00

You can't fix something that's not broken.

2019-02-20T18:26:43+00:00

The majority of trp is common knowledge thats usually passed down to you if you have male relatives who are successful with woman . The reason why you see broken man ending up here is because they didn't get that knowledge in RL .

2019-02-20T19:51:31+00:00

Everything on an emotional level is broken nowadays due to decades of social engineering. That applies to men and women alike and regardless of being red pilled or not.

2019-02-20T21:15:55+00:00

Interesting that the assumption is that its the men that are broken. Maybe that is why they end up finding TRP

AnAmericanTrollinWA · 2019-02-20T22:38:17+00:00

yeah many of us were raised by single mothers

2019-02-20T12:50:24+00:00

Lmao no shit. This is the entire concept of the sub. It takes people who were lied to in life over blue pilled fantasies and turns them into alpha males.

The fact you think this is some discovery would be like going over to ask men and realizing everyone there has a penis

2019-02-20T15:14:45+00:00

Are you the only one? Probably not.

It’s not much of a surprise that the people who grew up lacking some portion of their development (that they should’ve gotten from socialization in a normal family, possibly with siblings or other people in their age group) would be seeking out personal development later on.

It seems to mostly be the wealthy and the genetically fortunate that grow up with minimal lack in development while the poor and/or genetically unfortunate grow up in broken homes with divorced parents.

Speaking from experience, my parents were divorced and both in the lower socioeconomic class, so me and my brothers didn’t fare well. I’m fairly sure my mother is bipolar (undiagnosed) with a decent amount of narcissism, so naturally, there’s not a thing wrong with her.

It’s tough having to learn things yourself later on in life as opposed to learning them naturally while you’re younger. You feel like everyone else is moving along in life as they should and you have to catch up to them. I’ve been having to make up for my lack of development nearly all of my life, and I still am.

Edit: finished thought in first paragraph.

2019-02-20T15:27:17+00:00

Is somebody looking for advice broken?

analt223 · 2019-02-20T15:38:47+00:00

the red pill is a coping mechanism more than anything else, so yes....how are people still asking this question is kinda odd to me.

2019-02-20T15:53:21+00:00

Man with eyepatch in the comments section:

The name's Plissken.

2019-02-20T16:51:30+00:00

It’s just “squeaky wheel” phenomenon.

Look at r/feminism and you will think the same thing since it’s a bunch of women who hate on men.

I know blue pill people wNt to rip on TRP all you want, but it’s the same hateful comments said almost verbatim, depending on which forum you are in.

Reddit itself is just a very violent place

dudenotrightnow · 2019-02-20T20:48:18+00:00

yea, anger destroys people.

matrixpush · 2019-02-21T01:30:11+00:00

Sort of true, but also somewhat flawed, considering the same logic could apply to self-help communities of any sort.

Contrary to what you read, most RP grew up in stable middle-class yet ultra conservative households. They were taught to feel shame for basically everything, and it was all centered around their biological drive from a religious standpoint. That's the most common theme you'll see if you've studied RP enough. To go a step further, they probably weren't allowed to goto parties, listen to whatever music was deemed cool at the time, dress how they wanted, etc. Anything that was seen as trying to impress females or look better to become noticed by females (what would now be known as increasing SMV) was worthy of reprimand.

It's really no surprise most of the are in favor of conservative politics since it's so far in their subconscious at this point.

2019-02-20T18:07:44+00:00

Nobody goes to a hospital when nothing is wrong and they're doing well.

Likewise, nobody goes to TRP for answers unless they have painful questions.

tia-now · 2019-02-20T13:21:41+00:00

Everybody is broken in some way.

KikiYuyu · 2019-02-20T18:38:05+00:00

You're definitely not the only one who noticed.

BiggerDthanYou · 2019-02-20T10:58:41+00:00

RP theories are actually just a list of symptoms of a dismissive-avoidant attachment style and all their theories about women and relationships are based on the subset of anxious-preoccupied women.

I think this is the best summary:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201304/what-makes-man-great-romantic-partner

Anxiously attached people are afraid that they will be left uncared for, and therefore are more likely to be the needy ones in an adult relationship.

People who have an avoidant attachment style express their insecurity by distancing themselves from others and never getting emotionally close to their partners.

In the first place, they found, as they predicted, that the anxiously attached men would be the ambivalent sexists, expressing endorsement of benevolent sexism (i.e. women should be placed on a pedestal). The avoidant men expressed their sexism in overtly hostile ways (i.e. women are manipulative and malevolent).

Tracing the pathways between sexism and attachment style, Hart et al. then concluded that the avoidantly attached men don’t necessarily feel sexist just toward their partners, they have sexist attitudes toward women in general. They get there by having strong beliefs in the superiority of their social group, i.e. men. In other words, it’s nothing personal when they treat their partners as underlings or worse, as opponents. Avoidantly attached men also reject romanticism, feeling pessimistic and cynical about love. Their derisive attitudes toward women and romance means that they will not be the ones to shower their partners with affection and attention.

The situation is more complicated for anxiously attached men. Their beliefs that they can’t live without intimate partners, who are central to their identity, lead them to become the heavy duty romantics in the relationship world. Unfortunately, however, they express their feelings by- you guessed it- putting their women up on that pedestal of benevolent sexism.

To sum it up, Hart and his fellow researchers have shown us that men who feel that they must compensate for being psychologically vulnerable are the ones most likely to adopt “isms” of various types, including sexism.

They came to TRP with a broken attachment style and exchanged it for another broken one.

Mattcwu · 2019-02-20T14:46:54+00:00

zayelion · 2019-02-20T15:29:06+00:00

Yes, those guys sink to the bottom of /r/TRP, rest of us take it incorporate it and move on.

2019-02-21T03:59:48+00:00

I think they are simply narcissists. All that 'dread games' and other mind games they are playing desribe behaviour of a typical narcissist. Well, a narcissist really is broken so you're absolutely right. It also explains their whining about meeting girls with BPD as people with BPD and NPD are naturally attracted to each other.

czerdec · 2019-02-21T17:34:07+00:00

Wait, you're saying that a person willingly joining an openly, literally misogynistic (as in, asserting that women in particular are bad people) group is likely to have some issues?

You're blowing my mind, dude!

JezebeltheQueen5656 · 2019-02-21T17:47:02+00:00

what about those men who had perfect wives/ SOs but ended up there? there are many stories like those. my ex was one of them and he was not broken in any way. he was just a moron.

2019-02-21T17:54:19+00:00

You mean like feminists?

2019-02-22T06:32:06+00:00

I noticed most of them are sub 8 in looks. Otherwise broken? Sure, but most women are broken too.

The main problem of TRP men is that, by default, they don't look good enough for the average woman to give them the time of day.

So they basically study how to use drama to manipulate women into sleeping with them.

TheMedsPeds · 2019-02-20T14:30:57+00:00

It's almost as a really mean hateful philosophy attracts really mean hateful people.

No decent guy with a wholesome heart would EVER believe in RP.

Five_Decades · 2019-02-20T15:19:56+00:00

No, I've noticed it too. Trp and mgtow is full of broken men seeking external validation and becoming full of hate and resentment when they can't obtain it.

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eliechallita · 2019-02-20T16:28:04+00:00

Nope, it's pretty much made for them: TRP makes sense if you've encountered the absolute worst women around, and assume that they're the norm. In some ways it's like a cult that preys upon people at their most vulnerable.

alexandria42o · 2019-02-20T22:10:34+00:00

absolutely...the guy that mostly introduced me to TRP now looking back he was an insecure mess but trying VERY hard to hide it behind TRP

while I think you can be RP without knowing what TRP is, those that actually seek it out and follow it do seem broken in some way

JezebeltheQueen5656 · 2019-02-21T17:48:29+00:00

those males have the problem with the entitlement to women as one, and the problem of seeing women as people with integrity as two.