Q4Men: Explain this: why are the doctors And lawyers I know not married to 19 year old supermodels, and instead are married to normal women?

Venicedreaming · 2019-02-16T14:40:24+00:00

Most people marry across and within their circles. The doctors I know married other doctors or equivalents because that’s who they meet in their circles. Only a few marry up/down

reluctantly_red · 2019-02-16T14:50:14+00:00

People hook up within their socioeconomic group. I'm a lawyer and since I absolutely hated corporate law I've been a public defender for the last 11 years. I don't make a huge amount of money but I'm still significantly above the median. All my LTR's have been with women with similar middle class credentials. My first wife was a librarian (we met at university), then I dated an accountant, and then a journalist, and then an HR manager. My second wife was a social worker. My current GF has an MBA and works in finance (she makes a bit more than I do).

Successful guys aren't generally looking to waste their hard earned money on some brain dead 20 something. We're looking for actual life partners.

blackedoutfast · 2019-02-16T15:52:03+00:00

bullshit strawman garbage. RP absolutely does not suggest that men making $60k (lol) will have an abundance of hot 18 models begging for them. and one of the key aspects of RP is telling dudes that just getting a decent $60k is not enough

and it's because those men you know are unattractive betas. it's not just about money, women want mwn who are above average in looks, money, and status.

if you're below average in looks and act like a dorky beta, it's possible to cancel out those flaws and get hotties if you have an exceptional amount of money. but not like doctor or lawyer money. those are solidly UMC white collar professional jobs. nice, but nothing special.

diffdedbed · 2019-02-16T16:54:11+00:00

As one of those types, couple of things.

One, I met my wife prior to being rich. I was a poor student.

Two, have you talked to most hot 19 year olds?

If I were to divorce I can't imagine going younger than 30.

But also most of these guys, myself included weren't players in their 20's. I do know some, they are the ones usually multiple divorced by 45. I was a geeky student, I didn't really come into my own until my early 20's and didn't fully mature till my early 30's. It was books and books and not socializing. Its why I'm rich now, but at the time this didn't make me attractive to some hot 20 year old who wanted to party all the time.

So I'm going to flip on my loyal and still attractive to me wife and mother of my kids because I could get some teen pussy if I buy her things? Fuck that.

PerpetualDilemma · 2019-02-16T15:10:59+00:00

Maybe because they have actual, functioning brain cells and realize that young supermodels are complete idiots 99% of the time. If you're intelligent enough to be a doctor or lawyer, you're intelligent enough to realize that, and you'd rather the person whom you spend the rest of your life with is capable to connect with you intellectually.

Not everything in life is about sex, you know.

the_calibre_cat · 2019-02-16T14:42:50+00:00

In fact, I was told that in order to find a man who makes more than $60k, I need to be a top model and I am a gold digger.

Well... whoever told you that was completely full of shit

daveofmars · 2019-02-16T14:23:48+00:00

You explained it:

4/10 surgeon I know married a 5-6/10 teacher | 3/10 lawyer I know married a 5-6/10 SAHM

If these guys are 3's and 4's then the money and status enabled them to get someone out of their league. If they were 8's and 9's, and were also doctors and lawyers, then they'd have models.

DevilishRogue · 2019-02-16T15:51:10+00:00

Why would a wealthy guy want to marry a young girl who is not ready to settle down, has radically different interests (clubbing is not cool beyond your mid 20s), still riding the carousel, and likely to divorce him taking him for half his accumulated capital and ongoing maintenance/alimony/child support, etc.? Sure, he'd like to sleep with her and it might be nice to have a trophy wife if he could guarantee fidelity and commitment but who possibly could when he's a beta bux and she is attracted to Chads?

gasparddelanuit · 2019-02-16T16:08:40+00:00

Men generally don't like gold diggers. They want someone who likes them beyond their money and resources. A woman who is physically not much more attractive than a given rich man, can give that man greater confidence that the woman would still be interested in him without his wealth. Also, men like women who are nice and genuine, so when it comes to relationships, how a woman looks is not enough, if she is not nice or genuine. Gold diggers are more on the self-serving and fake side, so men pick that up or will be suspicious that they are dealing with a gold digger, if the profile fits. They would much prefer a decent looking woman who is nice and genuine, than a conspiciously attractive woman, whose niceness and genuineness are questionable. Also, sometimes some 6s and 7s are more attractive to a lot of men than 9s and 10s. In any case, all of the men in your examples, still found women more physically attractive than themselves.

Another factor is that men in respectable positions typically don't want to undermine the respect that they get from being in those positions, by gallivanting around with 19 year-old supermodels. People would stop taking them seriously. If a man in a respectable position did want to do this, he is going to do it secretly or discretely, not brazenly like Dan Bilzerian. Reputation is important, particularly when it comes to politics. You'll find that rich men in more flamboyant occupations, such as music and entertainment, where traditional notions of respectability are less important, are more relaxed about being seen with young supermodels, not to mention they have more access to them, but even they might get some flak if there is a big age gap. That will depend on the reputation they have established and people's expectations of them. However, even if they are that way inclined, most men don't have the balls to be as brazen as Bilzerian types, when they are in the public eye.

[deleted] · 2019-02-16T15:39:47+00:00

Because supermodels are not high value women, their attractiveness makes them arrogant and insufferable more often than not, that sort of person is not fit to be a mother.

[deleted] · 2019-02-16T16:51:43+00:00

Doctors and lawyers are a lot more cerebral and future-time-oriented than the rest of the population. They aren't just thinking with their dicks, although i'm sure it factors in at least a little.

It's idiot drug dealers and ego-driven, strutting frat boy CEOs and the like that need to have a 9 on their arm in order to feel like more of a man. The logic of having a high SMV woman is the same as buying a sports car or some other flashy, overpriced, high maintenance shit you don't really need.

Male arch-professionals who put themselves through 12+ years of school are thinking more along the lines of "how do i best build up some intergenerational wealth" and acting accordingly. They are less flashy, more boring and plodding (but still smarter than most).

HonestyOverCivility · 2019-02-16T14:20:53+00:00

By the time most men understand their value they’ve already committed...not to mention that most men don’t ever really understand their value, thanks to the numerous conventions that keep them obvious to realities of SMV. Plus like most questions asked on this sub, the default presumption is that the man is alpha, despite roughly 80% of men being beta; doctors and lawyers are no exception here

Plus keep in mind, many professional men meet their wives when they’re still in law/med school earning no money and having a crap ton of debt. In this situation, the woman is playing a bet that the man will succeed, but not all do

passepar2t · 2019-02-16T15:45:45+00:00

Doctors and lawyers are not that high-status, unless they work as orthopedic surgeons at top-10 luxury hospitals or as partners at Skadden Arps, respectively. You should look at investment bankers and hotshot fund managers, there you'll find your 19-year old Scandinavian supermodels.

Bestprofilename · 2019-02-16T18:39:14+00:00

Because you bang the hot girls and marry the reasonable women.

meaninglessINTERUPT · 2019-02-16T16:05:03+00:00

Because 19 year old women aren't mature enough for a middle aged man? Isn't this sooo obvious?

goatismycopilot · 2019-02-16T16:53:52+00:00

Listen Slabby stop listening to the men here and stop being too accomadating and you will find internal calm. Figure out what the Slab life is and serve that imperative.

Uyrr · 2019-02-16T18:02:24+00:00

This is because Red Pill are full of delusional, depressed men that think that life works out like a bunch of spreadsheets and graphs. These men have trouble reconciling how the world works and how biology works. In my mind they have become just like what they profess to be against (Feminists). The bottom line is that this idea of marrying or dating supermodels when you are a rich man is something that is overblown. Yes, it happens, but not on a regular basis. Most people realize that you are best compatible with someone near your own age. Plus, Doctors and Lawyers are no longer considered upper class. They are pretty much middle class with the rest of us.

Fabianstrategy1 · 2019-02-16T16:39:44+00:00

All my friends who are doctors met their wives in undergrad. These women picked out captains before the became admirals. Simple

mydikishomofobik · 2019-02-16T16:19:45+00:00

Doctors and lawyers tend to fall into the upper middle class bracket (and lawyers' incomes can vary a lot- some don't make a lot of money). In general, these people are well-off, but not super-rich. That means, based on hypergamy, top supermodels are out of their league. A doctor or lawyer may make $200,000 a year, but top supermodels may make $30 million a year.

Also, most people date partners they have access to, i.e. the people they're around. A family doctor in Kansas or Idaho doesn't hang out with supermodels, celebrities and millionaires in Hollywood.

That's why doctors and lawyers tend to marry people like other doctors or lawyers, fellow students they meet in undergrad, medical or law school, nurses or secretaries, and so on. Supermodels, on the other hand, date and marry rich athletes, actors, entertainers, or rich businesspeople. If supermodels marry doctors and lawyers, they'll likely be "celebrity" doctors and lawyers who move in Hollywood circles, like those doctors who do TV shows, or high-powered lawyers that represent celebrities.

That's why Gisele Bundsen married star NFL QB Tom Brady and not a doctor or lawyer in Buttfuck, Iowa.

[deleted] · 2019-02-17T08:47:02+00:00

Who even like supermodels in this day in age? It's not a real skill set.

crackrocksteady7 · 2019-02-16T14:23:00+00:00

Because being a doctor or lawyer is extreme RMV and has nothing to do with SMV and none of the noobs making that mistake and fucking up the basics so badly will change that. 19 year old supermodels are fucking attractive extreme status men like athletes

bonusfruit · 2019-02-16T14:41:42+00:00

[Anecdote]... checkmate, redpillers

TheMarbleSlab · 2019-02-16T16:21:00+00:00

exaggeration. supermodels are quite successful by definition, career, fame, money. They have all of that so they value it less. a doctors income isn't usually all that great.

Its not about how much success do you need to be attractive to a model, its "how much success do you need for it to matter.

Is someone making $15/hr more attractive than someone making $10/hr? lol right? if you are a supermodel do you think a supermodel that made 20 million dollars care about about the fact that a guy makes $300k a year by working brutal hours?

Oversimplifying down to a salary doesn't help because ignores other components of sucess, in addition to shit like how had/many hours does it take to make that.

They dont run in social circles where they interact with supermodels or even models remotely close to "super"

Plenty of millionaires out there, relatively few supermodels.

The difference between a 4 and a 5 is nowhere near the difference between a 9 and a 10. using supermodel distorts the conversation because of this.

guys sleeping around indicates short term relationship and does anyone think a woman wants a slightly over the hill pudgy doctor for a fling?

That a 3/10 man would marry a 6/10 woman has to make it pretty obvious.

Before I had some medical problems I was closing in on $60k, its decent enough, but not particularly notable.

I knew plenty of women making $40k, $60k wasn't that big a difference.

You even say "like one point above them in looks"

thats an issue. If you are external and think a woman is a 5 and a man is a 5, the woman has a legion of thirsty 5s constantly hitting on her and feels like an 8.

It seems like you have chosen a very poor framing to argue women dont care about money, because you've equated caring about money with automatically a gold digger.

You might say "I dont think that", but then who cares. Arguing about what other people think is a bit silly. Mostly because you can say "people think" and end that with anything.

Then you run into arguing abour "more/most/many/all/none" etc, its a shitshow.

Poverty is not attractive, sucess is. I dont think finding success attractive is the same as being a gold digger. If neither of us do, then what the fuck are we talking about?

Super model wants to date Elon Musk? whatever, wouldn't call her a gold digger. Women chasing after hugh hefner? yeah, gold diggers. Unless there is some fetish for 90 year old guys with a Viagra habit, we know whats going on. (forget how old he was but point stands)

ifeelfuckingterrible · 2019-02-16T18:19:43+00:00

I don't know what's going through these men's minds since I can't imagine being dumb enough to marry a woman who earns significantly less than me.

Maybe they just fell for the first woman that paid attention to them, maybe they don't know their value, maybe they DO know their value but want to be in control of the relationship and be appreciated. Plus, getting with a model would still require having some game (which they probably don't have any), and it would be more obvious that she's with him for the money, which would also probably cost him more.

And then they get married because they were pressured to, or figured that's just what they're "supposed to" do without really thinking too much about the risk involved.

EmpoweredGirl · 2019-02-16T21:30:21+00:00

Smart men don't want to marry stupid women!
Supermodels are rated in the range of 7-10 but because of exposure they might as well all be 9+ as they are probably rated in the top 0.001% of women because their so visible. Doctors and Lawyers are not the top 0.001% of men, at best they are between 0.10.01% which is till a whole magnitude short (huge difference). Now if you are talking about the top dog doctor or the boss lawyer, then this is something else, however note my reasons below for why still not always viable.

Diagnosis made, Case closed!

On a more serious note I know that I myself who aims to be a high flyer would never marry a supermodel (with the exception she was strangely smart). 200K to 500K is a lot of money, but not enough to be "I don't give a fuck about money". You still have to spend that kind of money wisely and have the free time to flaunt it to hook up with women with great looks. Doctors and Lawyers don't have much free time, so these people are going to be more practical about the people they find. If you took someone who earned in this range but worked one day a week, or part time etc in a low pressure job (Amazon FBA for example) then I think you would not be so surprised to see the women they are with increase in the looks department.

It's not enough to just make money, you still have to sell your high status high wealth.

Something that people with more time and energy will be more able to do so. You can look much richer with 100K than with 250K if you play your cards right. Minimalist lifestyle with a few big ticket items (like a Lambo) can really sell that.

It's weird how life is multivariate isn't it!

subgamer90 · 2019-02-17T00:04:42+00:00

Well personally I'm not a fan of marriage in general, but if a man is going to get married there are a lot more important considerations than looks, like whether she's actually going to be a good housewife and mother.

If not, then there's no point in getting married. So why are doctors and lawyers not married to the hottest girls? Because they're intelligent, and only an idiot would marry a girl based solely on looks.

Bigsmell1983 · 2019-02-17T00:40:02+00:00

This is a big strawman argument so it's pointless to argue.

Texas_Ex · 2019-02-16T15:11:57+00:00

Their side piece usually makes up for what their wife lacks

goatismycopilot · 2019-02-16T14:20:13+00:00

Where I work the male doctors break down into two groups: married to other doctors or depending on their age into marriage two or three with a much younger hot wife who has babies and a cute hobby.

daniellederek · 2019-02-16T14:59:35+00:00

Most were locked down before the money kicked in. I have no idea why anyone would go into being a doctor. It's a long costly smelly process. Close to 15 years past high school before you are an autonomous professional. Likely mid 40s before you srart to gather the FU bankroll. And then you really only have 15 or so years left of steady hands to be a top surgeon with.

Compare that to mining engineering. 4 year degree. START at close to 150k And your job is blowing shit up. Things go a little sideways .... oops. Maybe we should have used a wee bit less ANFO. Carry on.

Doc has a bad day it's a career ender.

So why would someone in that situation buy a depreciating asset when they can sign a new lease when the current one gets a bit mouthy?

jax006 · 2019-02-16T15:56:51+00:00

There is nothing special about doctors or lawyers lmfao this is PPD rubbish. Doctors and lawyers are probably like only 25% less likely to be beta chumps than your typical engineer.

Why do people on PPD conflate this high value ultra-attractive personality with some person going to school for 8 years for a job that will barely put you into UMC lol

I know 1 doctor from my graduating class who he is a classic attractive super-great-catch. I also know another doctor who is slightly overweight and is practically aspergers.

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ObeyTheCowGod · 2019-02-16T14:39:40+00:00

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Did you not know this already?

ChemAnon2018 · 2019-02-16T16:10:32+00:00

doctors and lawyers are smart

_Neon_Shadow_ · 2019-02-16T17:00:27+00:00

One: RP isn't about getting married. So your question already has a faulty premise. RP is about fucking as many women as possible and living like a King.

Two: Why isn't every college student a neurosurgeon or software engineer? It's the optimal thing to do if you want a lot of money, so what gives? People are different and not everyone wants those jobs. A lot of guys are blue pill and have no desire to live a red pill lifestyle no matter how much pussy it guarantees. That's perfectly fine and says nothing about red pill.

Three: Having a good job does not make someone Alpha Fucks. If anything it makes them Beta Bux. You've admitted these men are not attractive, 3 & 4 out of 10, that puts them perfectly in the Beta Bux category. They are filling a provider role because they can't hack it as Alpha Fucks or Alpha Bux. There are plenty of old, rich, disgusting men, that women don't want to touch. Look at Harvey Weinstein. He's a rapist beta that uses his money and status to force women to sleep with him. Does he have a good paying job? Yes. Does that make him Chad? No. You need much more than the salary of a doctor to be top 20%.

MagicGainbow · 2019-02-16T17:48:12+00:00

Because most doctors and lawyers are nerdy/inept guys that thought those things would make up for them lacking in other areas.

shipiaozi · 2019-02-16T18:45:52+00:00

Paternity uncertainty is too high. They don't understand the reason but naturally feel high PU woman are not good LTR partner.
There are some men with low PU requirement, mostly polygamy man, good-looking man and narcissist.

-TheGreasyPole- · 2019-02-16T18:49:22+00:00

Answering your title....Because they were happy to settle for a nice girl they liked rather than try to max out what they could possibly have attained if they’d pushed for the maximum attainable with a focus solely on looks ?

Almost everyone does that.

Also, I think you’ll find there are a lot more doctors and lawyers than supermodels.

I’d expect the radio between those groups to be something like 1000:1 given that only a small percentage of models are supermodels.

Those facts just by themselves easily explain what you’re seeing.

cxj · 2019-02-16T20:27:26+00:00

Because lawyer/doctors are a bunch of nerds and exist in a socioeconomic bubble where they only acknowledge their own group as actual people in order to hoard and consolidate wealth down the line.

These dudes are not necessarily or even usually “alpha” and even their average wives probably feel like they’re settling on attraction .

Alpha dudes can bone/attract/marry younger women but simply being a doctor isn’t alpha

Barely-moral · 2019-02-17T02:08:01+00:00

Looks as a threshold. Once a man finds a woman hot enough to fuck, he starts looking for other criteria to decide if the woman is worth marrying. If he is exposed to a woman for a long period of time, that woman will have more time to show her good qualities other than looks. In that way the 5-6/10 that has time to show how good of a wife can be can win over the 10/10 that does not have that advantage.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2019-02-17T02:39:05+00:00

Based on advice given by the red pill, a man who is a doctor or successful lawyer should have such a large selection of women going after him, that he will only date and marry the cream of the crop: an 18-24 year old playboy bunny look alike who is underweight and has big breasts.

Either you're misunderstanding TRP or you're greatly underestimating the reality of lookism.

Doctors and lawyers aren't necessarily "alpha." "Alpha" means sexually attractive to the average opposite-sex-attracted woman on a primal lustful hunger level. You can be very smart and even rich without being hot; Bill Gates isn't a sex symbol.

Not to mention, a lot of doctors and lawyers are "good husband material" (i.e. "beta bucks") but not sexually exciting. Why? Because sexual excitement is mostly a function of looks and superficial mannerisms for the vast majority of women.

The reality is that merely being socially functional... or even a pillar of respectable social institutions... doesn't make you hot. There's a big reason for the "girls want bad boys" trope... they're totally willing to fuck someone who's socially unproductive or even downright antisocial so long as that someone is hot. Hell, its arguable that there are evolutionary reasons for this; "hotness" is characteristics that were functional in tribal society, not in modern society.

Modern, advanced, technological and intellectual civilization is built on beta-ness in many ways, and tends to favor beta-ish traits. So doctors and lawyers are likely to be successful betas, not alphas.

SilentLurker666 · 2019-02-17T03:49:42+00:00

Sure they don't but there are such thing as "trophy wife"

Lillizsomd · 2019-02-17T04:01:12+00:00

I mean, it's still a little racist to act like young white, black, Hispanic, and Asian men aren't out fucking as many girls as possible too. That's kinda like saying you can't be racist because you have a black boyfriend or a black niece or something.

Stevefr0mYellowstone · 2019-02-17T05:18:21+00:00

First and foremost, there are only so many "playboy bunnies" and "supermodels" around. Most doctors and lawyers don't have a chance with such women, they are pursuing professional athletes, actors, powerful CEOs, billionaires, and the like. The typical doctor/lawyer maybe in a higher status than 95% of the male population, but said women are seeking the top 1%.

Second, a doctor or lawyer probably could get a 8+ in the 18-24 age range, if he is fairly close to that in terms of looks himself. A man who is a 4 in looks isn't simply getting an 8 because he is a doctor or lawyer, unless she is using him as beta bucks or a sugar daddy. The concept that a doctor/lawyer could accomplish that by profession alone is rather delusional. And frankly a real red piller wouldn't be saying that. That is more of a blue pill concept. The true red piller would say that such a man should not simply be seeking to become a doctor/lawyer, but also working as hard as he can on his physical appearance to further increase his SMV.

A doctor/lawyer could pretty easily get 1-2 points above himself in the looks department, which you have mentioned several examples of.

Hawanja · 2019-02-17T07:12:15+00:00

60K? Lol. Today I learned top models and gold diggers should be going after me.

[deleted] · 2019-02-17T12:06:20+00:00

Most doctors don't want to marry a 19 year old. She might be a fun fling but that's about it.

Marriage is both out of love AND ALSO a business contract. Would you sign over 50% of your valuation over to another human being on the SINGLE BASIS of them being hot and good at sex?

MGTOWtoday · 2019-02-16T14:29:36+00:00

Women are hypergamous. Men are not. Women always fuck up. Men will fuck sideways or down.

boundarychimps · 2019-02-16T15:02:43+00:00

only date and marry the cream of the crop: an 18-24 year old playboy bunny look alike who is underweight and has big breasts.

Some of us aren't into kids or the whole "underweight" look.

In fact, I was told that in order to find a man who makes more than $60k, I need to be a top model and I am a gold digger. These men are making WAY MORE than $60k.

That sounds like a hint that your other qualities are a bit lacking.

OmarsDamnSpoon · 2019-02-16T17:02:46+00:00

It's because they can. Higher sociao-economic status opens higher socio-economic access. If you could have better, wouldn't you take it?

The3liGator · 2019-02-16T17:20:42+00:00

1- Looks play a role

2-$60k isn't that much. The super model probably makes more

3-Men are romantics, women are not. The doctor loves the women and marries them. The woman cannot branch swing further up, so she settles.

despisedlove2 · 2019-02-16T17:37:32+00:00

Most nerds don't move in the same circles as supermodels. Further, they are too busy to put up with the high maintenance way of a model.

Pope_Lucious · 2019-02-16T17:37:59+00:00

Because marriage and sexual selection are two different things

KazROFL · 2019-02-16T19:35:24+00:00

Rates of marriage are down, way down, the people that actually get married tend to make a good decision, but as a % of the population this is falling.

The 6/10 surgeon I know married a 7/10 woman in an arranged marriage.

You're making far reaching claims based on your awful anecdotes from isolated unusual cases?

gopher_glitz · 2019-02-16T19:45:26+00:00

Probably because they're just fucking them on the side.

-half Muslim....?

SpyMonkey3D · 2019-02-16T22:20:55+00:00

(my family is half Muslim so I am not being racist.)

Lol, nice

TheBookOfSeil · 2019-02-16T22:55:28+00:00

Why are the doctors and lawyers I know not married to 19 year old supermodels

Ummmm.... do they have to be?...

Also, keywords: “....doctors and lawyers I know...” Unless you know a significant portion of doctors and lawyers in both fields, citing your small social circle isn’t relevant information.

DaphneDK42 · 2019-02-17T00:11:52+00:00

They meet their coming wife while they're studying. Thus she is of the same age, average looking, etc. If they divorce, he'll typically marry a considerable younger and prettier second wife. Meaning that if you're a woman and want a good husband, you should either 1) find him early and bank on him succeeding, 2) be super pretty, and get him after he's succesful and on the second marriage path.

[deleted] · 2019-02-17T02:09:03+00:00

cause some people care about a personality more than a trophy or married before the success.

[deleted] · 2019-02-17T07:32:51+00:00

R selection and k selection are different.

Rappers and drug dealers are r selected and certainly date up in looks.

[deleted] · 2019-02-17T08:31:17+00:00

Just because a man is lawyer or doctor doesn't mean he is red pilled and has options. A mere status is not enough. Just like looks is not enough. You are barking at wrong tree.

HostileErectile · 2019-02-17T11:03:08+00:00

In the red pill mindset marriage it itself is a beta move. So your whole premise is wrong. A high standing male would never marry because the game it rigged.

A high standing male will have sex and fuck around with 20 year olds. But he won't be serious about them.

abaxeron · 2019-02-18T03:31:38+00:00

why are the doctors And lawyers I know not married to 19 year old supermodels, and instead are married to normal women?

"If there's no god, why do I hear the voices?! Checkmate, atheists!"

maljo24 · 2019-05-06T12:13:11+00:00

Normal women are wonderful.

ScootsScoots · 2019-02-16T16:10:54+00:00

The point is they could have the playboy bunny type if they wanted to. Nobody ever said all successful men WILL lock down one of these types.

This post comes across bitter as hell btw.

equanimous_samsara · 2019-02-17T05:08:58+00:00

Based on advice given by the red pill, a man who is a doctor or successful lawyer should have such a large selection of women going after him, that he will only date and marry the cream of the crop: an 18-24 year old playboy bunny look alike who is underweight and has big breasts.

ok TRP, I want to feel right about something today, so here is an outlandish claim that you never made but I'll accuse you of it anyway.

I know 3, count'em THREE people who prove this completely fabricated claim wrong. Everybody knows that the people I personally know determines the ultimate truth about the world.

Now, I will concede to some exceptions, but I will use these exceptions to also support my case.

The proof is in the pudding TRP good luck trying to get yourself out of this one!

Posts like this are such a joke, it's like 4th grade level debate I'm amazed at how not only tolerated but taken seriously in a debate sub, and awarded 68 upvotes.