The main, unstated purpose of #metoo has become replacing the patriarchy with the matriarchy.

-TheGreasyPole- · 2019-02-02T19:26:47+00:00

As you've made an affirmative claim in your title I'm flairing this a CMV. All top level answers must seek to change your view, and you'll be expected to debate in good faith and be open to having your view changed.

gblyeti · 2019-02-02T20:19:08+00:00

In specific cases it seems like individual people playing politics for their own career advancement seems to be a factor. But much of the time they're takitg down absolute monsters who have had impunity for decades. Its required very co-ordinated action to bring them down without inviting career, or even life threatening retaliation.

Women make up the majority of college graduates. Theres absolutely nothing surprising that "43% of their replacements seem to be women,". What else would you expect?

Politics at the senior levels of organisations is absolutely ruthless. Weinstein is rumoured to have had people killed to maintain his power. I think that happenss more often than most would believe within the corporate world. They're all sociopaths.

flamingoinghome · 2019-02-02T20:11:49+00:00

> "Nearly half"

So...there are some job openings, and the group that makes up about half the population gets about half the open jobs? That's a pretty meager conspiracy. And it's weird that you can't seem to imagine that maybe the women were just the best candidates for the jobs. There's no statements to suggest otherwise, just your own extrapolation.

One of your other examples even uses a good word for this sort of thing--"representational."

GridReXX · 2019-02-02T20:16:58+00:00

I don’t think it’s the goal. I think it’s the natural response to what’s happening.

Last year it made national news that at a hospice facility in Arizona, a woman who was in a vegetative state became pregnant.

As a reaction to that, the facility now doesn’t allow male caretakers near female patients without a female chaperone.

So no it’s not a conspiracy. It’s a reaction.

poppy_blu · 2019-02-02T21:29:17+00:00

Let me CY sources first.

mostly chosen not based on their competency, but on the company's desire to placate the media with an image of penance.

The NYT piece you linked to doesn’t say this. What’s your source?

Then there's Good and Mad: The Revolutionary Power of Women’s Anger where the author equates the replacement of men with women to "a seismic shift toward representational democracy".

Your source says page not found.

Let's also add the scandal of WiA (women in animation) which has proposed (at least unofficially) that jobs for women animators be made open... by firing men

And they don’t expect to get hit with a mother lawsuit? Then they need to fire their current advisors immediately. Of course most people take random YT videos by EZ PZ with a grain of salt.

I also read the letter for marge dean you posted. What exactly are you objecting to? Specifically.

I'm not saying this is the goal of ALL women or even ALL feminists.

Oh ok.

But it seems to have become a goal of a sizeable chunk of feminist orgs to replace men with women in positions of key power

I’m sure there are some who would like to replace all the men and hire only women.

Are you advocating for an 1 to 1 replacement? That any job vacated by a man should be filled by a man?

I think you like many people today have trouble discerning between news and commentary. Every link you posted as “evidence” was actually commentary. Commentary by definition is opinion, not fact. And fwiw NYT piece was very biased. I loled when I read this:

“Research has repeatedly shown that women tend to lead differently. In general, they create more respectful work environments”

As someone who’s worked 2 decades in female dominated fields, I assure you this is unequivocally false. This is the author’s opinion or interpretation of existing research, not fact.

petrichordium · 2019-02-02T19:32:35+00:00

Less than a majority. It’s more of an age and generational shuffling than a gender thing. The generation stripping out the dead wood (in many cases that is exactly what it is) is more gender diverse, so that’s what happens.

I totally grant metoo has had some oversteps and genuine witch hunt moments but any mass public phenomenon will. It ain’t exactly the McCarthy era, let’s be real.

ashbae · 2019-02-02T20:37:58+00:00

Nearly half of their replacements are women? Is that supposed to sound unreasonable, because it seems like a statistical probability to me...

If we were talking > 60% of the replacements turning out to be female, then your point would actually make logical sense but that doesn’t seem to be the case here.

Good try though dude!

[deleted] · 2019-02-02T21:02:05+00:00

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-03/a-wall-street-rule-for-the-metoo-era-avoid-women-at-all-cost

Wall Street Rule for the #MeToo Era: Avoid Women at All Cost

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/27/world/europe/metoo-backlash-gender-equality-davos-men.html

Another Side of #MeToo: Male Managers Fearful of Mentoring Women

KikiYuyu · 2019-02-02T22:24:28+00:00

I'd consider that an old super radfem goal, not some sinister secret goal of #metoo.

wekacuck · 2019-02-02T18:57:14+00:00

Matriarchy my ass. 42% isn't even a majority.

chosen not based on their competency, but on the company's desire to placate the media

Do you hate capitalism?

PuleaSpataru69 · 2019-02-02T21:09:17+00:00

Yeah. And I dont expect barren hags to have my best interest at heart or protect me and take care of me the way men do. I'm ugly but I look innocent and I've gotten SO much in life from men. Including getting my driver's license even though I didnt stop at a Stop sign.

Zippo-Cat · 2019-02-02T20:56:40+00:00

Hanlon's Razor.

[deleted] · 2019-02-03T03:23:59+00:00

I just hate that any of this is a conversation.

It should always be based on one thing, who is best for the job. Women have had equal opportunity from a legal standpoint for a few decades now, as time goes on the culture is becoming less and less “good ol boys” type business the longer we go on.

My sister and I own a business together and she can honesty say she has never felt less than because she is a woman. She’s pretty A-typical though as she is tough as nails and doesn’t let anyone get her emotionally.

But the culture is catching up and hopefully these “but there are more of that sex than mine!” Conversations in the future.

All it does is make people have each other

lbspredh · 2019-02-03T08:46:49+00:00

even if I disagree with quotas and overpromoting the underqualified for diversity women are still massively underrepresented in a lot of places so I'm not sure how you can call it matriarchy

grrrrrrroar · 2019-02-02T21:31:28+00:00

We already live in a matriarchy. Which gender has to die to protect and provide for the other? Which are homeless on the streets? Which commit suicide 4x more?

YetAnotherCommenter · 2019-02-02T23:18:40+00:00

You're not wrong that #MeToo has resulted in a lot of powerful positions being transferred from men to women.

I'm not sure if this becomes "matriarchy" however. Its more of a "giveaway to middle-to-upper-class educated professional and typically white women" thing. How do we know these women will use their power to benefit women-as-a-class above men-as-a-class? And even if they disenfranchise men with it, they won't be enfranchising all women.

To an extent they may use it to promote a gynocentric/femininity-privileging cultural hegemony. That would be a more believable concept of "matriarchy."

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MGTOWtoday · 2019-02-02T22:17:02+00:00

“But feminism is about equality! Promise!”

LUClEN · 2019-02-02T22:32:51+00:00

This is an interesting idea and I agree. The Atlantic recently published a piece about Bonobo behaviour that fits your thesis well and is something I plan on writing about tomorrow. Essentially, among Bonobos we see more female solidarity and coalition than among humans. What seems to be the case to me is that thus has helped women control sexual behaviour and puts pressure on men to change their sexual behaviour. Something that is notable about #MeToo is that we see an overwhelming female cooperation, comparable to Bonobos. I initially thought The Atlantic piece was being neglectful of size differences between males and females in humans, but human dimorphism is actually less pronounced than among other apes. If women continue to band together and control the terms of sexual interaction they could very well flip the patriarchy on its head.

_Purple_Rain · 2019-02-03T08:53:30+00:00

I agree with your point but I disagree with how you argue it. Statistically the example you gave is a drop in the ocean and, as others have pointed out, it's not that nutty when ~50% of people applying would probably be women anyway.

The real grab for power now comes in the form of being able to destroy a man's reputation with a mere tweet or complaint to HR. That's all it takes now to undo decades of honest, hard work.

ifelsedowhile · 2019-02-03T09:21:26+00:00

It looks like those really in power are still men while the metoo hit mostly the middle management. Powerful men are using the metoo to tighten their noose on society while throwing under the bus their more expendable subordinates.

despisedlove2 · 2019-02-04T03:16:43+00:00

"Become"?

Always was. Fortunately for us, this latest feminist attack came in while we were still under the process of forced diversification. So, we had the luxury of not finding ourselves surrounded by mines.

After this started, most male managers have slowly gotten rid of female reports, or avoid hiring them. The few female managers now get almost all female employees. We even promoted one fairly Junior female into a new role as manager just so that we could transfer most female employees to her.

The productivity of largely female teams suffers. The managers know what is happening. Fortunately, they are unable to spread their people around since no one will take them. A few have already quit because their own bosses will not mentor them any further.

I don't doubt that a discrimination lawsuit is in our future, but it would be hard to prove on numbers alone. We have informally restructured ourselves in the last year. It is a cheaper option than having someone you have been mentoring become your replacement through the metoo track.

JezebeltheQueen5656 · 2019-02-05T18:23:50+00:00

of course we are gonna replace males in power. you'd be a damn fool if you thought we wouldnt.

males have abused power for over a millennia. they have it comin'.

kandyapplez · 2019-02-02T21:33:38+00:00

In a lot of these cases mere accusations are enough to get the men fired and replaced even when they are determined to not be guilty (at least not of the charges brought against them - being crass is in poor taste but not illegal).

name a few of these cases?

-Radical_Edward · 2019-02-03T08:35:17+00:00

No, men will always be on top, they just want to remove power from us slaves by putting dumb emotionless NPC cunts in power. These women might be stupid but they understand one thing and that is power, they will do anything but bite the hand that feeds them, even advocate for after birth abortions.

THE PATRIARCHYTM CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

THE PATRIARCHY^TM CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.