The bluepill bubble: am i right or wrong?

couldbemage · 2019-01-13T08:26:16+00:00

I'm someone that can get partners easily, but unlike BP ers I get that I'm lucky. So I have a certain amount of compassion for the guys that struggle.

PuleaSpataru69 · 2019-01-13T08:35:18+00:00

I just doubt those blue pillers are as successful as they say. You know?...

I've met a sad whiteknight which would lie to my face about their success with my lesbian friend. Poor bastard. I know she has 0% interest in men. And I drank with her every weekend. But it seems he didn't know she is a lesbian.

For me redpill is much too extreme to adopt as a way of thinking

Well. It can be. Why do you think that is?

Do redpillers also live in a bubble?

If that was the case, red pillers wouldn't be always discussing with other people like in here. Did you see the connection between PPD and TRP?

Yonderlander · 2019-01-13T09:44:13+00:00

Nobody said it was easy

poppy_blu · 2019-01-13T13:58:50+00:00

"Bluepill" isn't a ideology. It's just a sub of people making fun of people who post on another sub.

But I'll accept that you and others use "bluepill" to refer to default conventional thinking about sex, dating and relationships. Essentially, anyone who has success using this conventional thinking is therefore "blue pill."

What that essentially translates to is people who posses the traits that are attractive and/or desriable in a given society will find it easier to get sex, date, and have quality relationships. Those who don't will need to work harder.

That's hardly sounds like some Macheveillian conspiracy. It's just life.

neualgae · 2019-01-13T09:06:51+00:00

The vast majority of people date. Most people marry. The average age for losing virginity is like 17-18. I agree there's some race/class effects in there, plus socially competent people tend to surround themselves with other socially competent people, but people who are completely romantically and sexually isolated into their 20's are the minority. If they think they're the typical cases, they're the ones in a bubble.

DXBrigade · 2019-01-13T12:56:38+00:00

You can be a blue pill and not be popular with women. You can be unpopular and disagree with the negative mindset of RP. You can be a virgin and not be an incel.

Salty-Bastard · 2019-01-13T07:41:00+00:00

I've been wondering, is there maybe a class difference? Like when you mentioned opportunities and what not, maybe part of the distinction is access to wealth/opportunities/etc. People for whom society is working well, I would think, are less likely to question society. I mean sure there are those seminal stories of the sexless millionaires turning to pickup artists to learn game, but by and large, I don't think that's representative.

VaultGuy1995 · 2019-01-13T14:50:02+00:00

When I was blue pilled I never got laid at all because I was so concerned about doing everything right that it took away from the moment. That's changed to an extent in the last few years, but I often still find it hard ri just go out and get laid. "Just be yourself" was the biggest lie I was ever told, because it only works if you've already got a stellar personality and looks and not if you're still a loser or a work in progress.

KikiYuyu · 2019-01-13T08:03:59+00:00

I've never seen anyone claim being yourself will get you a random hookup. Being yourself is what gets you a partner you're compatible with and who actually likes who you are.

equanimous_samsara · 2019-01-13T07:34:56+00:00

The map is not the territory therefore everyone lives in a bubble. Some even argue that there is nothing that exists independent of these bubbles, but that makes for one hell of a slippery slope (no pun intended)

shonenhikada · 2019-01-13T11:44:14+00:00

Blue Pill and Red pill are taken from the matrix. Blue pill live in a dream world and believe all the BS society tells them about love, relationship and women. Red pill take critical analysis, study behavioral pattern in male/female relationship as practical field exercises on what works to come to a conclusion on how things really are.

cateml · 2019-01-13T11:27:12+00:00

'Dating and relationships are super easy, just be yourself and you'll get laid and be in a loving relationship in no time.'

-No one reasonable, ever, definitely never seen it on here.

I think you're misunderstanding what 'blue pill' (which we use as a useful short hand for people on reddit who know about red pill and don't think its right, but basically it means 'everyone else who doesn't ascribe to what a small section of people on some corners of the internet think', and that includes conservatives/traditionals who put more stock into gender roles and dating ideas, the whole 'lets just go ahead and label them red pill because I'm sure they basically believe this' is a bit silly) means.

For example this:

Or that not everyone has the same type of social skills

So someone that is not 'red pill' would say 'It would benefit a person who struggles with social skills to work on improving their social skills. There are plenty of methods and resources for people that want to improve their social skills.'
Someone who is 'red pill' would say 'It would benefit a person who struggles with their social skills to swallow a dubious doctrine about hypergamy and keeping frame and shit tests and some 'pick up artist' stuff and then use that in order to improve their social skills'.

Based on what I've seen of the red pill types on here, there are many that would say 'The red pill (small internet community that has made up this theory and rules) are the only thing that recognise people with bad social skills need to improve them and give them any advice on how to do that'. This is frankly bullshit made up by people attempting to sell their ideology. This post seems to be coming from the premise that they are correct in saying this. They are not correct in saying this.

celincelin · 2019-01-13T13:21:08+00:00

Hey, it worked for them.

That’s a wild assumption.

LUClEN · 2019-01-13T15:52:01+00:00

Ehh, that's what the PUA and Seddit dudes say, too. Getting angry on the internet has gotten me zero admirers. Going out there and meeting people has been far more effective

ArcticFoxBunny · 2019-01-13T17:17:58+00:00

Are you saying blue pill people have some kind of normie privilege?

I think it’s a mistake to give red pill too much credit for simply having their eyes open or observing relationship concerns and fears.

Because they identify a problem, many young men are drawn to it, but the solution they propose is missing the mark.

naturethug · 2019-01-13T09:04:02+00:00

My take is that the blue pill is a knee jerk response to the red pill. Red pill to me is men that are angry and sad about their experiences that have created hurtful narratives to comfort themselves.

(And even if you remove my opined “hurtful” that’s probably still 100% accurate).

So the BPers are kinda taken aback by the lack of grace these guys display (since some of the shit is pretty crass) and so taunt them because they think it’s a way to combat it.

It’s like the angry self sabotaging Trump supporters. I think that empathy was on the table at one point, since their lives are falling apart around them. And here was a guy who was talking to them (at least out of one side of his mouth). But now, I just feel anger that their ignorance is affecting others.

So when the red pillers are gaining momentum and causing more societal harm, my response goes from empathy to contempt.

Regal_Newt · 2019-01-14T00:32:44+00:00

You would be wrong.

Nobody thinks relationships are easy. We think that they're difficult because it's hard to find compatible people, not because of some asinine fictional power imbalance between men and women where women control men, and "beta males" and "alphas."

Whodunnit88 · 2019-01-13T07:28:32+00:00

You’re confusing blue pill with someone who is just functional. You can be red pilled or otherwise, still do all of that stuff, and still be pretty discontent

PuleaSpataru69 · 2019-01-13T09:29:52+00:00

I am amazed at the bluepill copes. It truly blows my mind everytime. How they choose to ignore reality. I am amazed on a daily basis about my mother. And how she still doesnt know why my dad left her. Redpill made me realise everything and understand everything.

insultin_crayon · 2019-01-13T14:33:59+00:00

That’s not a bubble. That’s called optimism, positive thinking, and working towards a goal. Red pill is the true flawed thinking. Red pillers live in a miserable bubble where males are infallible and women are all harpies trying to take their precious resources. It’s a shit mindset and existence.

Yes, you are wrong.

VermiciousKnidzz · 2019-01-13T17:26:03+00:00

RP is a bubble. life is less complex when all men are quantized into two groups of alphas/betas, women are all hypergamous sluts, etc

its easier to deal with rejection when you say "AWALT" rather than "people are complex and unique"

RP is exclusively black and white thinking. black and white thinking is a coping mechanism.

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EvanPetersDouble · 2019-01-13T14:20:09+00:00

The bubble you are referring to, is frame.

The way they view reality.

TheWhitestOrca · 2019-01-13T16:08:38+00:00

You’re wrong. People typically understand that it’s not always so easy to find love. It doesn’t even come easy for most blue pills.

Vekit · 2019-01-13T16:40:42+00:00

if you are willing to accept what is out there and it doesn’t always comply to your rules and willing to play someone else game to get what you want while not losing yourself, TRP is much better than TBP. I had lived the bluepill for my entire life till my late 20s, Holyshit,things change when you gained total of yourself.

jintana · 2019-01-13T17:10:21+00:00

Most of what red pillers are bitching about is their own behavior. If that’s a bubble, I’m happy to live in it.

hajimenothrowaway · 2019-01-13T17:31:19+00:00

Ehh, blue pill for a sexual alpha sounds like the best way to be imo. What’s important to me is happiness and results. If you could get it without red pill, fuck the red pill. Yes, they may get fucked in court one day o cheated on, but blue pills believe that can happen to. If they do not need red pill, leave them be, people looking for answers need them. People who aren’t looking for answers are content for now.

MGTOWtoday · 2019-01-13T18:17:18+00:00

First and foremost, I understand the science of evolutionary psychology. This tends to reinforce a RP view of the world. As far as I can tell, BPers are just scientifically illiterate.

Million-Suns · 2019-01-13T18:30:37+00:00

Red pill exaggerates.

Blue pill minimizes.

ThrowFader · 2019-01-13T18:47:24+00:00

What colors for pills aren't taken yet? I'd like to create my own pill.

whatdidshewrite · 2019-01-13T22:55:52+00:00

The thing is, if you go out there and be yourself you’ll probably have a harder time finding someone than if you make an effort to be appealing to people. But if you do find someone, you can be reasonably certain they like you for you and not something you’re pretending to be

SavingMasculinity · 2019-01-13T23:38:03+00:00

Blue Pillers seem like privileged people with money, hence why they are able to apparently have no trouble dating (gold digging whores).

Being yourself DOES work...if yourself is attractive (and being attractive isn't just about looks, there are many facets which make a man attractive including confidence.)

blackedoutfast · 2019-01-14T03:11:47+00:00

the real problem with BP thinking is that it's based on the false assumption that people have a true, fixed, unchanging, 100% authentic "you" and that any deviation or attempt to change/repair/improve/conceal this "true" personal identity is inherently evil.

and while certain kinds of dishonesty, misrepresentation, and manipulation can be morally bad, the real problem is that they are simply incorrect. that absolutely authentic "true" you doesn't exist. if you keep removing the metaphorical "masks" you don't eventually get to the truth, it's just more masks all the way down. what you see as your "true self" is nothing more than one more mask that's ao tightly affixed and effective that it even fools yourself.

people tend to think of those "masks" as a bad thing, because it would be better for each of us individually if everyone was 100% true and authentic. in terms of evolution/reproduction, the choosy partner obviously would prefer to mate with a legitimately high value mate than a low value one who was merely mimicking a high value rival.

but those masks aren't really the same kind of unchanging, fixed, physical characteristics. they're just a side effect (along with consciousness itself) that arose in humans around the time that we stared developing agriculture and much more complex societies and raw, subconscious, animal-like instinct wasn't able to cope with all the complexity. the closest thing to an absolutely authentic "true self" that anyone of us has would involve acting purely on those animal instincts, and that obviously wouldn't go over well in civilized society.

when BPers go on about how they or someone else was a social/romantic success because they started "being themselves" they couldn't be more wrong. what that person was really doing was fully embracing a particular mask that was very effective. they do honestly believe that they are being true and authentic and real, but they are really playing the same games and using the same deceptions and concealing their true motivations just like any RPer. if they weren't doing all that unauthentic stuff, they wouldn't be successful.

matrixpush · 2019-01-14T08:26:45+00:00

At this point, they serve as counterbalances to each other.

BP conditioning is far more common.

waxedmintfloss · 2019-01-14T11:26:41+00:00

I don’t see it as a bubble or mindset. If anything it could be boiled down to seeing and treating people as individuals, not formulas.

Eartherry · 2019-01-15T04:15:54+00:00

The red pill is made up of men who are looking at this whole thing only from their own perspective. They believe women are acting against men's best interests so see no problem with making their ideology work for men as well as against women.

The blue pill gives advice that also takes women's perspectives into account. They understand that women wouldn't want to be subjected to what red pill men have in store. With blue pill tactics men have about the same chances while women are thought of as rational actors.

SpaceWhiskey · 2019-01-13T18:48:01+00:00

I don't see BPers saying getting relationships or hooking up is easy, I see people talking about how to be successful you need to be willing to put the work in, make changes, and do the damn thing. As a BP person I don't make fun of unsuccessful people who are trying their hardest to succeed and taking criticism seriously, I make fun of people who don't try at all and come up with excuse after excuse to murmur out into the comforting void of the internet and their male-flavored safe spaces for validation. Or the people who lie to themselves and tell themselves that going out one time and sulking in a corner constitutes as trying and that because model-level women didn't approach them and start sucking their dick there's no point.

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