What would be the top 5 red pill suggestion be for being successful with women ( attracting them, getting laid, having a good LTR..etc). What would the top 5 blue pill suggestions be, and how do they differ?

GrumpyOldHistoricist · 2018-12-20T17:51:34+00:00

Red:

1.) Hit the gym. You don’t have to be Mr. Universe, but being in decent shape definitely makes you more attractive. Plus, routine and discipline in one area of your life will help you establish the same elsewhere.

2.) Play the field. Nothing succeeds like success and a dude who gets around (so long as he conducts himself ethically) is more likely to be assumed to be a decent lay. Just as importantly, a guy with options is less likely to come off as an emotional burden. This is vital. Most women already have jobs. Don’t be another.

3.) Be reserved. I mean emotionally here. See above about emotional labor.

4.) Have your shit together financially. You don’t have to be rich. Women worth knowing are attracted to more than wealth and status. But nobody needs another burden.

5.) Don’t put the pussy on a pedestal. Worshipful dudes are fragile dudes. Fragile dudes mean emotional labor. Again, don’t be that.

Blue:

1.) Fuck “frame.” Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. “Frame,” as the TRP community circle jerk has come to depict it, is an unsustainable, superhuman degree of masculine composure. Any woman you attract with it is a stupid prize. Dignity is always attractive, but we’re all human. We all have our moments of weakness and vulnerability. This is normal and healthy. Decent women won’t abandon you for these. But the bitches who dig “frame” definitely will. Nobody who expects you to LARP 24/7 as Sean fucking Connery is worth your time.

2.) Be a good listener. You need to be able to actively participate in a conversation, but people love feeling listened to. Open the floor for them and listen. Maintain eye contact, interject commentary that evinces engagement, and don’t interrupt. The key for dudes, however, is to not listen like women. Women have plenty of girlfriends to complain to who will give them the standard “aw, I’m sorry,” “ugh, that sucks,” etc. Your job is to respectfully challenge them, offer non-patronizing advice, make joking but credible offers of violent retribution on their behalf, or crack an inappropriate but not tone deaf joke.

3.) Be respectful. Her boundaries, preferences, and beliefs are important. Act like it. You can challenge them as needed, but ultimately you have to be respectful of them. Any woman who wants you to be legitimately disrespectful toward her and uses boundaries as shit tests is broken and a potential life ruiner. Stay away and give your time fo healthy people.

4.) Understand give and take. Show appropriate gratitude for her acts of kindness and return them accordingly. And expect the same from her. If your relationship is all acts of kindness from one person, one of you is a doormat and the other is an asshole.

5.) Be honest. This one should speak for itself.

This has been working for me for a good long while now and I have a healthy relationship with my family, a stable core friend group of ten plus years, a wonderful (and ridiculously hot) girlfriend who sends me to work every day with a lunch and cooks dinner multiple nights a week, and an N count over 100. Don’t be ugly, thirsty, or shitty and you’ll do alright.

Sondrety · 2018-12-20T16:30:12+00:00

BP- Anyone not acting like themselves will almost always come of as creepy. Fake confidence, signaling and following a routine makes you stick out like a sore thumb
- People are attracted to skills, passion and confidence. If you master a craft, or at least show some interest in attempting to master it, you will be more attractive.
- Making yourself look tidy, appealing and clean makes you more attractive (so lookmaxxing as some call it, here the two sides agree)
- It's a numbers game, get out there and meet people. Most people only have a 1% chance of another person being attracted to them. Go out there an meet 100 people.
- Be nice. Not creepy nice, not nice because you think it will get you laid, or some shit like that. Just be a person other people like being around

DubsPackage · 2018-12-20T18:20:45+00:00

Bluepill advice is for men who are already successful with women. ie "Be yourself, be confident."

Redpill advice is for men who could be successful with women but maybe aren't. ie "Be yourself but make your self be more like this."

That's not to say that redpill guys are worse or less eligible, it's to say that in a multicultural society not everyone knows how to act "normal" or maybe in your previous country guys beat the shit out of each other and that made women's panties wet, every culture has its own assumptions, presuppositions and mating rituals.

So the red pill doesn't assume that you know what everybody else knows, it tries to break down the whole interaction step by step.

Top 5 suggestions (red pill)

Self improvement (Gym, school, work, hobbies, projects)
Go out, go out, go out
Fake confidence while you work on establishing a basis for real confidence
Be "friendly and cool" not in hopes of scoring but so that others want to be around you
Don't pedestalize women, understand your own value, don't be desperate - Don't think in scarcity terms, like "I only have 1 girl's number, so I will try to make her put out somehow." Instead think, "I will get more girls numbers, and only give my time to those who seem enthusiastic." Abundance mentality.

All of the above is not just for getting women, it is also for yourself and general success in life.

jkonrad · 2018-12-20T18:00:03+00:00

Is it just me, or does it seem like what TRP defines as "BP" isn't how self-described BPs would define themselves?

diffdedbed · 2018-12-20T15:10:51+00:00

Does TBP actually have any tips?

Whodunnit88 · 2018-12-20T15:24:14+00:00

BP:

"Just be yourself."
Humble brag about their life, whilst only vaguely answering the question about how to get with a woman.
Give off the impression that women are wonderful and that as a man you should be honoured to be in the presence of one.
When confronted with evidence that women aren't exactly wonderful they roll their eyes and say: "Yeah, so what? Everybody knows that."
Blame men.

RP.

Say something sexist.
"Lift".
Write a ten page essay full of grammatical and logical errors.
Reference random pick up artists from two decades ago.
Blame women.

Zaorish9 · 2018-12-20T19:10:41+00:00

Assuming that you are looking for the GOOD advice:

Red Pill:

Be physically fit as much as possible
Understand that women are usually more engaged by indirect teasing and flirting games and will be put off by "autistic" straight-talk.
Understand that women are attracted to confidence in men more than almost anything else. Confidence meaning steady emotions, consistent good attitude, making few mistakes, matching of words and deeds, commitment to goals and projects.
Practice and improve social skills to improve your romantic options and results.

Blue Pill:

Be self-directed, pursue your passions and enjoy life. This is the true source of confidence and meaning. This is the most important thing in life, NOT sex.
Be morally good for its own sake--completely unrelated to any sexual selection. Do not throw this away in order to appear "cool" or "macho".
Respect others' consent and comfort. Don't pressure others into sex or other things. Encourage positivity, meet diverse people.
It's OK to show vulnerability and openness. Always learn from mistakes and always keep an open mind - the universe is still hapenning and there are always new things to learn
Appreciate women not just for their beauty but also for their personality, and understand that both genders have equal strengths and flaws and humanity.

sadomasochrist · 2018-12-20T16:10:49+00:00

I'll boil it down further for you.

Red : Actionable, observable advice that may not be politically correct, that is non-obvious. (Frame, dualistic strategy etc)

Blue : Feel good tripe that won't do anything to improve your situation beyond what is already obvious. (Dress better, talk to women, "be yourself")

SilentLurker666 · 2018-12-20T15:42:45+00:00

and how do they differ?

They'll probably be the same except Bp would protect the female narrative. For example if TRP would say wealth because they want beta providers and you can't be a provider without money... BP would also say money but because the men should at least provide a suitable lifestyle for himself and the ones he loves... and what follows would be argument of semantics.

flyawaylittlebirdie · 2018-12-20T15:51:28+00:00

Suggestions	Red Pill	Blue Pill
1	Live your own Life	Live your life to serve a woman
2	Put yourself first	Put a woman first
3	Follow your dreams	Do everything in relation to her
4	Don't put any woman on a pedestal	Put her on a pedestal
5	Hit the gym, eat healthy, take care of your body and mind	Women love soyboys with dad's bodies

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AllahHatesFags · 2018-12-20T20:22:38+00:00

Top 5 Blue Pill Rules:

Do whatever women says and give them whatever they want regardless of what they are or aren't offering you.
Increase your intake of soy.
As a male you don't get to have preferences so if a 300-lb trans-woman wants to date you then you should feel lucky.
In LTR or marriage, cuckoldry is to be expected and if you don't want to share your 300-lb trans queen you are a misogynist shitlord!
Be sure to prep the bulls yourself.

tnais · 2018-12-21T01:07:31+00:00

I feel like this would be better if red flairs answered on behalf of TRP and blue flairs answered on behalf of TBP

Unconfidence · 2018-12-21T13:13:07+00:00

BP - I can't speak for the ideology as a whole, here are mine.

Think of other people as humans just as capable and intelligent as you. Don't look for excuses to condescend. That man walking down the street at 50 who looks like they're on their way to work? He's not a loser, and you should hope that when you're 50 you still have the strength to do what's necessary, rather than falling into destitution. Instead of thinking how bad his life must be, stop and give him a ride. Thing is, a lot of people really unconsciously devalue others, and it puts off those who recognize it and have a distaste for it. Within hetero men, these people can just be dismissed as "sensitive" but within women that distinction isn't supposed to be negative, so women who are still considered traditionally appealing will often have this sensitivity. Within hetero women, it's more of a personal choice to go after someone who displays that sensitivity. If you don't devalue other people, prospective partners will be less likely to presume you might devalue them.
Don't make romance or attainment of love your first priority. You'll get the same rhetoric from TRP, but the reasoning is different. They say don't do it because it makes you attractive. That seems utterly hypocritical to me, as it's making romance the reason for seeking the passion. The reason you do so is because it will make you a better and happier person both before and during any relationships you may have. When you're regularly having moments where you feel fulfilled, then people are more likely to believe that you are capable of being fulfilled by the world and the things in it, specifically other people.
Don't press for any information the person is uncomfortable giving. It may seem like they're dropping hints that they want you to press further. Likely, they're just nervous as hell and babbling, and trying to avoid certain subjects but failing, as people are prone to do. This ties back into the first point. They're a person, they're just as awkward as anyone else, not some graceful or powerful creature. We're all just lumps of flesh, pooping our way through life.
When entering a long-term relationship, make sure everything is clearly defined. Clear communication is key. If you feel that continued, regular sex is essential to the continuance of the relationship, let that be known. If you think that PDA is off limits, let that be known. If you think that your girlfriend kissing other girls at the bar when drunk doesn't count as cheating, let her know. Pretty much any quirk you have that isn't something you can justly assume about 99% of relationships in existence, you should hammer out.
Don't go looking for a list of traits. Don't go to the internet or to media. Hell, you shouldn't even be listening to me, I'm a fucking stranger on the internet with no knowledge of your individual circumstances. Look around you. What kind of people are your parents? What kind of people are your siblings and cousins? What kind of people did they marry? How many of them are the models you see posing on Instagram? How many marry those models? Or perfect housewives? Or always-attentive-but-also-financially-capable husbands? Look to your surroundings and your individual circumstances to find the answers to your questions, they have much better insight into your situation. I spent twelve years from 18-30 searching for some hot thing who would be the perfect submissive sexbot, by casting the largest net I could. Seemed rational. Really, I'd met the person who would really take my heart, when I was sixteen. The size of my net wasn't the issue, because the treasure was under my nose the whole time. Of course, it's hard to smell human treasure when you've taught yourself that humanity is filth (see point 1). I feel like this is the vast majority of people. Unless you're a recluse, by the time you're 25 you've met dozens of prospective life partners. There are no soulmates, and these dice are constantly rolled with every person you meet. Roll as many dice as you like, unless you can actually tell what you roll it's useless. Likely you've already rolled a few 20's in your life, and don't know it. So like I said, look around you, look at your circumstances and what your situation really is, devoid of all these universalist platitudes, and really look at other people as humans worth respect, and you might find that you don't need a wider net, but rather a finer net.

IlluminatedElf · 2018-12-22T08:11:48+00:00

I can't speak for RP suggestions but I've received a lot of Blue Pill suggestions (and this is why I disagree with them)

There is someone out there for everyone, so just be yourself.

(The above implies that there is no need for any sort of critical self-assessment and the respective improvement. Instead, a person should choose the path of least resistance. Apart from that, there is the perpetual idea that a person should accept/appreciate anyone that "accepts" them, which is in itself, a stupid strategy.")

Don't judge yourself too harshly and don't judge others.

(*The expectation from another human being should be as low as the floor; a reflection of the expectation one has for themselves. This breeds cycles of self-pity and self-loathing, which leads to permanent emotional and mental disorders, requiring the assistance of drugs and circle-jerk communities.)

If you fail at something a few times, this means that you should not attempt said endeavour anymore and just accept the failure as a status quo and be proud of it. The pride will be the reason someone will admire/adore you.
Women are superior beings but also people who constantly require assistance to enforce superiority, therefore men need to constantly respect those who need their assistance whilst women need to constantly clamor for respect and assistance from men.
A healthy relationship is one where women hold all decision-making authority and veto power. Women are innately kinder human beings and therefore the moral authority for the interaction/relationship. All authority exerted by men is toxic/negative, by default. Men can only exert authority if the decision is pre-approved by many women.

abicus4343 · 2018-12-25T19:04:34+00:00

As a woman, only one thing would make me open too dating down on the socioeconomic/status ladder....a pure, unwavering, masculine, dominant attitude and energy. Most men would not have the confidence to be able to pull this off when a woman is more successful then he is, but it's the only thing that would work.

This is not blue or red, this is just reality.

BiggerDthanYou · 2018-12-20T15:49:39+00:00

how do they differ

I'd say the main difference would be where they start.

Blue pillers usually provide suggestions that are helpful for people that already have basic social skills. Like be more confident, dare to be yourself, don't be an asshole, have fun and find your niche.

Red pill usually provides suggestions for people that need to learn what basic social skills are, that looks matter, that women aren't all just perfect angels that would never lie and that people aren't always talking a hundred percent literally.

Blue pillers try to give them the necessary confidence to approach while red pillers try to teach them the very basics.

That's why they are useless for each other. TBPers don't expect that someone would need to learn how to handle social situations and TRPers don't understand why we do not even mention those basics.

reluctantly_red · 2018-12-20T22:17:39+00:00

RP = be true to your animal nature -- compete with other males for the the spoils.

BP = be a trained seal performing tricks for her amusement.

vitringur · 2018-12-21T04:15:33+00:00

There is no blue pill. That is just a derogatory term used by self described red pillers so you are in essence asking for a strawman.

Suggestions	Red Pill	Blue Pill
1	Live your own Life	Live your own life, if you have a SO realize your life includes their life
2	Put yourself first	Put a yourself first, if you are in a LTR, realize that there is give and take for both sides
3	Follow your dreams	Follow your dreams
4	Don't put any woman on a pedestal	Women are people, don't put them on a pedestal but don't treat them like an object to be used
5	Hit the gym, eat healthy, take care of your body and mind	Women have different things they want in their partners, some women would rather you work on your hang ups than your body