You have to understand for the vast majority of TRP users, this is simply a reaction. You have to understand that most of the men have tried everything they can mentally, to avoid unplugging.

That's why we speak about "choking on the pill" or "failed unpluggings." (Concept : AWALT)

It requires enormous amounts of reasoning to convince a man that his ego driven plan to tame his wife, of which 45% of these bets will fail, is largely out of his hands. (Concept : She's not yours)

After you systematically break someone down they're left with one realization, they're disposable and they're either an ATM or a fuck toy (Concept : (AF\BB*).

At this point, a lot of guys will try to orchestrate some sort of plan by "vetting" etc, they'll just "work 10x harder" etc, but sooner or later they get it. They understand that the juice ain't worth the squeeze. (Concept : Love what she brings you\don't get married)

This is how men break bad, turn amoral. They work their entire lives to try and find a wife and make her happy only to be confronted with evidence that such a plan, in the way they conceived it was not only essentially naive, but also that women don't even value the things they've soaked their whole life into.

And so with this choice, they choose to be the "fuck boi."

It is a controversial opinion at TRP, but not really all that controversial. It is controversial in the sense that the ego invested userbase likes to all believe they are superchads, and these sort of nuanced debates cause dick waving. But most users understand this.

Men at TRP go through the "anger stage" because they do not enjoy these truths. Many of these men have gone through cPTSD learning their wives where sleeping with 3 or 4 people at the same time behind their back while they've been the "nice guy." Even if they've been arguing "nawalt" with us etc.

Such a thing may have been natural to many men, or men who are extremely attractive, but the 80%+ of men, just want to build families. They want to love women in the way they're taught to love.

But TRP is rational. You don't get to live that fantasy life. You get what you get, and you don't throw a fit, is what my daughter learns in school.

So this is what you deal with, and then you react. Women don't care about providers, they don't have an interest in seeing things from a man's perspective and everything they do is just assumed under the concept of "adulting."

That is exactly how you create the rational basis of being a dirtbag. When you're doing something amoral you know that ultimately, no one cares about your virtues, there's no reward structure for it. And then you see the other side.

Suddenly you're the guy getting snuck into a house while the boyfriend is away.

Before you unplugged you'd have thought you don't want to be a part of that. Then eventually you understand this is just what women do and you just accept it.

So fine, we hand our children to women, we give them the keys to the Ferrari etc. We reject disposability, now what?

There are only two possible options.

u/wekacuck's position, which TRP\MRP consider to be logically incongruent, or what we advocate.

These frameworks didn't create themselves out of thin air from corrupt dickheads who wanted to exploit women. They were systematically created from men who A\B, trial'd and errored their way out of their moral basis into a strictly rational reaction.

And what they learned and created was a framework for interacting within a woman's STR preferences. When you finally understand how women select LTRs you put down your tradcon, captain savaho and billy beta badges and you accept it.

So it may seem like these are morally incoherent, but again, this is reactionary. So even if you're a bastard, you can still lament the death of the value systems you saw and still see value in, even if you no longer compete within those value systems because you know they have a negative ROI and you realize competing within such value systems with the values you held was naive fantasy.