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Young people are having less sex. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/12/the-sex-recession/573949/

Same thing in Scandinavia, the mecca of gender equality. https://i.redd.it/zj4ypbg375y11.jpg

The first article suggests porn is the main culprit but I believe it's missing the real cause: dating apps are abetting female hypergamy at the expense of the beta majority.


[–]flamingoinghomeIs three lizards in trench coat28 points29 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

"Culprit"--weird way of putting it.

I find it suspicious they never postulate that self-control or personal responsibility are on the rise..... too embarrassed to?

I actually think a HUGE amount of the sex/early marriages from previous data weren't due to lust or love or desire, but BOREDOM. The past, for many, many people, was BORING. Heck, Betty Smith wrote about early marriages forming out of boredom in "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn," and that was like 80 years ago!

Nowadays, even a broke person has far, far more access to entertainment than even an aristocrat 100 years ago. Sex is fun, but so are a lot of other things.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Self-control... on the rise...? Since... when? Sexual intercourse numbers had never been higher.

And personal responsibility? Where?

[–]flamingoinghomeIs three lizards in trench coat6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Sexual intercourse numbers had never been higher.

No, they're dropping. That's the whole point of this thread. People are having less sex. Possibly because they're controlling themselves.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No they aren't dropping. Look at the graphics. The women's side of the equation never moved, and to have heterosexual sex you need 1 woman and 1 man.

So the sex levels maintain themselves.

Men who are having less sex. But it is a population of men who is having less sex, while another is having more to maintain the sex levels of women.

So the sexual intercourse numbers are higher. (To the men who have it)

And if you think it by total population, then it is stuck in place.

[–]flamingoinghomeIs three lizards in trench coat0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you're referring to the Finnish graph, it never actually specifies that the sex is heterosexual. Could be lots of women banging each other. Also, the men's graph was weirdly higher than the women's to start, so there are a lot of other possibilities there (for instance, promiscuous women going for a more monogamous lifestyle).

The Atlantic article is more in-depth, and says that things like age of first intercourse are getting higher, and teen pregnancy rates are lowering. Sex that results in pregnancy DOES need to be PIV, so for those rates to be dropping, both men and women have to be having less PIV sex.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Could be lots of women banging each other.

To 2 ish% of the finish population to affect that much sex is really not probable. Yes, it is possible, just not probable.

Also, the men's graph was weirdly higher than the women's to start, so there are a lot of other possibilities there (for instance, promiscuous women going for a more monogamous lifestyle).

Or... prostitution. Which makes more sense, where it is legal, but I digress.

If women were going for a more monogamous lifestyle, the curve in age would have changed, yet it doesn't. The women between 25-34 have a 7ish% difference, be it from 1992, to 2015, this possibility is again, not probable.

It actually makes even more sense by my aforementioned comment. young women are having sex with a smaller range of men. So much so, women are not changing things even as they age.

The Atlantic article is more in-depth, and says that things like age of first intercourse are getting higher, and teen pregnancy rates are lowering.

Self control or inability to do so? Seriously, look at the young right now, the ones who can, are having sex like crazy, and the ones who can't, just can't. You should check the differences by gender, as from Brazil's data, only male first intercourse is getting higher, the women's is getting dangerously lower, last time I checked was at 15 years old on average (the legal zone is 14 or more for statutory rape). and teen pregnancy is more to do with contraceptives no? my mother did not know the pill, and this is why I am here right now. (I was born in 1992)

Sex that results in pregnancy DOES need to be PIV, so for those rates to be dropping, both men and women have to be having less PIV sex.

Well, true. But again, contraceptives, we live in the age of information, to young people not know about them is plain stupidity.

Also. this article says women right now are reproducing at a rate 1.5x the one of men right now(as in the last 100 years, I know but hear me out). it means pregnancy is mostly done with a small part of the male population already, and is getting smaller.

My friends father has 10 children with 7 different women. While most of males doing PhD in my university have 0 children. How can you see anything different?

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"free SMP"=a disinhibited, deregulated SMP, not one in which each member is "Free" to have all of the marketplace's product that he wishes

[–]MakeMoneyNotWar11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The bigger and more free the marketplace is, the greater the inequality of outcome.

[–]SaIadcream1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

>Ban prossies (black market has large risk-premiums both in hourly fees and in the expected-value of legal expenses if you engage in it)

>Desperate men hit up fatter and fatter trolls on OLD to relieve themselves

>Below average women think they're hot shit and refuse to settle in relationships

>"Free market"

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (157 children) | Copy Link

I was talking to my boyfriend about this just the other night - his theory is that fewer young marriages = fewer young people having regular sex, as people generally have the most sex when they're married.

My accompanying theory is it's a shitty time to be a young person economically, I'm working three jobs to avoid racking up student loan debt, I have no idea when I'll be able to afford a house - my parents always hoped I'd be financially better off than they were, but I'm not, at the moment, despite being a semester away from graduating with a STEM degree with honors from a great college with job offers waiting for me. I'm still going to have to work like a dog if I want to save up enough to go to grad school, which is a few more years, and what then? And how about my friends who want to be teachers who are going to end up making 35k a year max? Or my friends who think they're going to have a career in academia, which is falling apart? Half my recent-graduate acquaintances have been jobless for half a year now and are getting desperate, ending up working in positions they don't like for ridiculous hours because otherwise they'll never be able to get a handle on their student debt.

...and that's just the college-going population. Student debt is a bitch and a half, the entry-level job market is a bitch and a half. How do you fit time for sex in there? For a relationship which would grant you consistent access to sex? You don't, you get stressed and miserable and you self-medicate with netflix and alcohol.

I have a long-term boyfriend, but we're both too busy to have sex more than once or twice a week - he's job searching after spending months on a campaign working twelve-hour days, I have the aforementioned jobs in addition to being a full time student.

Do dating apps play into this? Maybe, but mostly because many young people are living like rats in cages and dating apps are like getting a little hit of cocaine by pushing a lever. Women who don't have time/energy/motivation to meet someone can swipe through options to feel a little less hopeless about their futures; men who don't have time to do the necessary self improvement or to actually meet up with someone can swipe through to feel like they're doing something at low time/effort cost. Porn serves the same role.

The underlying cause, though, I'd say, is the sense of economic despair among younger people, especially college-educated younger people, who would normally be bringing up the 'sex numbers' for their generation.

[–]whitetrashcarlselfish ghost13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Hey I know there’s a lot of animosity here but I do appreciate your struggle and hope you’re doing okay. It is tough out there

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks, I appreciate it! Life is alright, a little stress now will go a long way later, and I really do have an amazing boyfriend and wonderful friends/family. I wouldn't be able to do what I do if I didn't.

I feel for the people in my age cohort who want to do this kind of thing but can't sustain it/miss out on other parts of life as a result, or whose goals are just unrealistic/leading them deeper into debt. I've gotten very lucky in that the jobs I work are relevant to the career I want and are flexible enough that I can stay in class/graduate on time - I'm a TA for a few organic chem classes, an RA, and I work in the much-discussed lab I've mentioned down the comment chain. The people who are in trouble in the job market are people who are stuck folding clothes and serving food to survive while studying for careers in tech/business/research that are going to demand experience, which is, unfortunately, a lot of people.

[–]lefactorybebe[🍰] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ugh, my sister's going through this right now. She graduated in may with a degree in video game design from one of the best schools for it in the country, with glowing recommendations from her professors. She's been applying like crazy, but the places that get back to her say "oh your education is great but we need x years of experience". She's like well goddamn, that's why I went to school!

[–]Haste-Leans Red + Wants A Nuclear Family0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If she can’t find a job in game design i would say she should create an indie team. Maybe work part time at anywhere while building a game with that small team or by herself if no one else joined

Its how one of the greatest indie title (stardew valley) was created. But i believe the creators passion was coding rather than game design.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

As someone who didn't go to college and up until recently really regretted not going, do you think university was a mistake?

I only ask as most of my peers went for higher education and are in similar positions.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It depends a lot on what you think you're going to get out of it. A lot of people think college is a magic bullet - an automatic route to a good/fulfilling career. But if you don't sincerely enjoy the kind of academic work you have to do, it's going to be less rewarding, more expensive, and less immediately obvious what you'll be able to do next in terms of work. There are not a million job options for sociology degree holders who don't even like sociology that much.

If you really, really want to do a specific kind of research, or if you really want to improve your writing and develop a portfolio of some kind of work or expand your skillset in some way, college is a great choice. If what you want is a guaranteed 50k job at the end of things, there are a lot more people with more specific skillsets and experiences who'll snap those jobs up before someone who's like 'I dunno, I guess I'd like to work in...business' is going to.

College is great for learning things and making connections, if you sincerely want to learn things and make connections. Otherwise it's four years of your life and boatload of money/debt for a baseline qualification that a big part of the job market already has.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sounds like a good answer, I suppose lots of people are going for the "experience" and gaining a lot of debt out of it. I personally like my field thats why I make more than 50k a year without a degree, passion pushed me further than anything. But for that same reason I would maybe like to go back one day, I have a weird fondness for developing AI and would love to be on the forefront of that, university seems like the only way for me to learn those skills though.

I hope one day I do go back to school, also thanks for your response because I really have been struggling with my opinion of the school system these days.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good on you for pursuing a field you love! College is a great way to get a handle on new/developing fields. I hope someday you find the right school for you to get in on AI work, many schools (including mine) have specific programs including support for older students. A few close friends of mine are mid-late thirties and just now shifting from other fields into a bio/chem/compsci degree, and they're some of the most interesting people I know.

[–]EpikYummehLurker2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I only don't regret university because it allowed me to get a job doing what I've wanted to do for the past 13 years: write computer programs. Most of my classes were a complete waste of time, I hardly remember any of what we covered in most of them, and even most of the major-specific classes were largely useless for me as well. Some say to go to college to find your calling; I say find your calling, and then go to college if your discovered passion calls for it.

If you can go to a vocational or trade school and become an apprentice, that's a far better and rewarding path than studying for 4 years with multiple part time jobs to make ends meet.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hey I feel you, heck I even do a fair bit of coding myself(I will never become a full on dev and wouldnt want to.) The only reason I learned how to code was because I found ways it would make my work life easier, now I use it all the time.

I want to go back to school one day to learn more though.

[–]EpikYummehLurker1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Be advised. Code "boot camps" are starting to gain traction as legitimate learning experiences that employers recognize. You might give a boot camp a go instead of taking university classes.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well I want to go for more AI research purposes so theres that factor as well, but yea I got heaps of friends who did the boot camp route.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is all spot on. I’m early 30s and here to tell you the bad news: it doesn’t get better.

I think this sense of despair leads to a lot of the risk taking behavior of some people tbh

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||3 points4 points  (108 children) | Copy Link

u/sublimemongrel u/poppy_blu u/MercedesBenzoAMG

Look at this poor girl. Read her comment and the pain she's going through. You said to me in another thread that I am jealous of career women and that that's "sour grapes" and that's why I am putting them down.

If you think I would rather have this stressful broke life instead of the one I am leading you are crazy.

This poor girl was lied by the feminists that a career is what she needs in life. Look how much misery she brought upon herself.

[–]GrumpyOldHistoricist18 points19 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhh... she didn’t exactly choose to be too overworked to fuck. Contemporary economic conditions made that choice for. She can’t—by sheer force of will—make her jobs pay her more of make education cost less. This isn’t feminism, my dude; it’s capitalism.

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||-2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

What's your point? My point is she shouldnt be in this situation at all. She should get a man of means.

[–]GrumpyOldHistoricist16 points17 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

There are fewer and fewer of those to go around as wealth continues its natural course of accumulation in ever smaller numbers of hands. Issues of personal fulfillment aside, this is an unrealistic solution for the majority of women seeing as how so-called “men of means” are not the majority of guys.

Your advice amounts to “win the lottery.” It’s bad. Do better.

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

this is an unrealistic solution for the majority of women

Exactly. Because the majority of women are either sleeping around or fat. It takes very little to be in the 10%. Of course you need to be high value in order to get a high value man. If you're fat, drink in clubs and go on tinder of course a high value man wont want you. And if you clean your act later, it's too late because you're old.

And it's not like winning the lottery. I actually had quite a handfull of offers from high value men to marry them. All in my early 20s whrn they were mid 30s. That's the sweet spot. Dont waste your prime on dusty love.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It takes very little to be in the 10%

Yea just be born right.

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you're not overweight you're already in the top 30%.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And if you are black lots of people just inherently won't date you due to racism. Not everyone was born of European decent and can wait for a rich suitor to come take them.

You state you worked hard, really you were lucky and patient.

[–]CombatStaceyBlue ovaries5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm 19 and I'm not going to 'waste my prime' getting married, especially not to a man in his mid-30s.

I've got too much living to do - I'm not giving myself up to a man who partied with party girls, slutted around and now is in the market for a wife.

[–]aretournerPPD = mimophant party11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you think I would rather have this stressful broke life instead of the one I am leading you are crazy...

If you think I...

I...

Girl, you need to recognize that what's heaven to you might be hell to another. Young people aren't working hard to get qualifications, at great financial (and other) costs because they're masochists. Your life choices come with risks, too, and it's entirely possible that a person who is not you will have come to different conclusions with regard to what risks are and aren't worth taking in life.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

If no one wanted to stress over education the way I do the rest of you could make do with untreated cancer and antibiotic-resistant tuberculosis. I work hard because I want to make the world a safer place for people like you who couldn't take care of themselves for half a second if you didn't have the things that people like me endure 'stressful broke lives' to create.

Many of the luxuries you enjoy come from people - including women - like me, who recognize that for the world to get better, some of us need to actually work.

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||1 point2 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

All of that can be done by men.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Not as well as it can be done by me, or men would have done it already. The day I meet a man who can do my job better than I can is the day I hand him my lab coat and move on to a different job that optimizes my utility to society.

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||0 points1 point  (24 children) | Copy Link

At least go be a sugar baby or an escort to pay your debt. I am not joking. I really want the best for you and I hate when i see women who struggle. Plenty of women in medicine and other prestigious jobs do escorting on the side to help with the loans.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

I actually really love my boyfriend. It's possible to love a man who's not paying you to do so. I'll graduate without loans, because I work now. I choose to make my life stressful in the moment so that my near future won't include debt hanging over me, and so that once I finish my education, I'll be able to balance work and life the way I want to.

Not everyone my age has made the same choices I have, which was the point of my post. The way society is structured makes it necessary for most young women to work to an extent that makes it difficult for them to find time to dedicate to partner-finding. I have a boyfriend; I'm happy with my boyfriend; the 'advice' you're offering would cost me a phenomenal, brilliant, kind man in addition to the minimal but wonderful free time I have to spend with him. I don't want to lie to some rich guy about being into him so he can toss me money, I don't want to have sex with anyone who isn't my boyfriend.

I want to be the best drug developer or biochemical researcher I can be, and I want to marry my boyfriend someday, and I'll be doing that unless I find a better way to serve society.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why is your life revolving around submitting to society? Especially in STEM lol. If you love science now you'll hate it 10 years from now, as is the fate of pretty much all STEM PhDs.

As a fellow STEM slave myself good luck

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

It's possible to love a man who's not paying you to do so.

Oh I am sure you do. There's no doubt in my mind. Thats why I am telling you these things. Your brain doesnt see clear. My point is there's no need for struggle love. Men like that usually leave their bob the builder girlfriends once they get money. They get attention from the girls they actually want and they leave them. i am trying to get you not to waste your prime. Men in their 20s can't exactly stay with the same woman forever.

Best way to serve society is to shape your own children and not have them be raised by strangers.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm afraid you and I will have to agree to disagree on whether or not men are capable of loving women reciprocally and growing mutually in relationships. I have a higher opinion of men, it seems, than you do.

My children will be raised by a 25-28 year old mother who loves them and their father more than anything else on earth, and they'll be read the same poetry and sung the same songs that my SAHF sang to me, and they'll have their grandparents living in the house with us (I'm a big proponent of extended families beneath the same roof - it's how I was raised). They won't meet a damn stranger until they're in preschool, which they will be, because I'm not raising dysfunctional homeschooled kids.

And none of them will die of MRSA.

[–]OfSpock6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men in their 20s can't exactly stay with the same woman forever.

Except they can and do.

[–]emailpassword12 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

You must live in a different world to me... that doesn't reflect the society I live in at all.

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Really? You dont see men leave the woman that was loyal to them when they were poor for a younger hotter woman once they make it? Then you must go through life blindfolded.

[–]bluepy677 points8 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Are you really a woman? Because that advice seems so trollish, I'm having a hard time believing you.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She stated shes from romania and grew up very poor, her view of the world is that of someone who came from desperation.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you really a woman?

No

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

How is it trollish? It's a great advice.

[–]bluepy6711 points12 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm a mom of young adults. I can't imagine telling my daughter to prostitute herself. It's absurd and gross.

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It's 400 an hour. I would say it;s worth it. Pay all your debt. Men dont have that option. You need to use everything in your power.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.14 points15 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

I am fairly certain the person you are talking about would not really appreciate your patronizing attitude. Regardless, I did not accuse you of being jealous or whatever, I said your cartoonish stereotype of “career women” is off - and it still is.

You don’t want a career, so be it, I’m not gonna judge you - certainly not in the way you’re currently judging others.

[–]Whodunnit88Survivied Purge Week 2018-2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Career women are the worst. But I don't think OP falls under that definition considering she makes time for her partner.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I was pinged from a different comment I made to this user about her weird stereotype of “career women” so take it up with her. Also, women who have good careers can also make time for their partners it doesn’t necessarily mean workaholic with nothing else in life.

[–]Whodunnit88Survivied Purge Week 20180 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

When people say career women they mean workaholics.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

When she was talking about it it sounded more just like she meant women with good careers. I can’t be sure but that was my impression.

[–]Whodunnit88Survivied Purge Week 20180 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd never use it just in that context.

[–]TheChemist158Non-Feminist Blue Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That really seems to be just how people use it on here. Virtually everywhere else it simply means a woman who has a career.

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||-2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I am not patronizing. I want her to be free and happy. I want her to not waste her prime.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes you are, whether your intent is good according to your own values or not.

[–]TheChemist158Non-Feminist Blue Pill Woman7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

And why do you get to decide that building a career is 'wasting her prime'? I'm guessing that she is working so hard because she wants the future she is working towards, and following your advice would be wasting her prime.

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]TheChemist158Non-Feminist Blue Pill Woman6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That doesn't really mean anything. That's a really specific situation; freezing eggs at 38 or for longer than ten years to try to get pregnant when you are almost 50. You can postpone kids until your 30's and still be fine, or adopt later on. Or maybe you don't even want kids. It's ludicrous to say 'looks like I can't get pregnant at 50 years old, better forgo all career plans and marry some rich dude while I'm young'.

[–]aretournerPPD = mimophant party5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol I can't believe no one has responded to this yet. So, to get this straight, you're saying that because egg freezing (a fertility preservation technique the OP did not bring up, or even hint at, in her discussion of her education that also did not include her feelings on children and whether or not she wants any) didn't work out for the 40-soemthing women you've linked, Civilseaworthiness should immediately ditch her education and marry a wealthy older man?

Is that it?

Because it seems to need saying: other people making different choices to your own is not an inherent criticism of your choices. Your concern trolling is obvious and embarrassing. Stahp.

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you can't meet prince charming in your 20s when you're attractive it's VERY unlikely you'll meet him when you're old. So these women hold off for mr perfect and their eggs become scrambled.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs10 points11 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

What a disgusting opinion to have. Everyone needs a career in life, because wages haven't kept up with inflation for decades.

What do you think this person's life would be like if she weren't working at all? Massive debt with no way to pay it back isn't a good way to start an adult life.

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||0 points1 point  (22 children) | Copy Link

Why would she get massive debt? You can be a paralegal and make 50k a year with an associate's degree. Plus many other jobs/career that are kid friendly and dont drown you in debt.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs11 points12 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

...She explained in her post that she needs to work to pay for student loans. Did you read it before you started pushing your regressive bullshit?

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||-1 points0 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

And I said she was tricked by feminists to belive she needs a career. Now the damage is done, but a lesson should be learned.

And she said she wants to further damage her life with a master.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Everyone needs a career. That has nothing to do with feminists.

What year do you think we're living in?

[–]ItsOverBoyosLDARKeep calm and get cucked by Chad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How the fuck does everyone need a career? I work minimum wage and will work minimum wage jobs for my entire life. I can support myself just fine.

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I would say everyone needs a JOB. A career is something very different, something you can;t take years off and then go back again like nothing happend.

Have a job,sure, but not a career that is very demanding. Go be a school teacher, not a STEM whatever.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Oof. Ok. I can tell I'm dealing with someone with serious woman issues.

I'll be disengaging now.

[–]sketch1620000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is...Is the Red Pill Woman flair sarcastic? Holy fuck this is some real internalized misogyny

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

no one tricked her, there's no feminist sect directing people's decisions to have a career.

a foreign concept; people work because it makes their life meaningful.

even if your premise is true, how many women can marry young, to a SINGLE INCOME, to home make and raise children. how many guys are out there that are capable of not just doing that, but doing it YOUNG. you're talking about literal fucking children, like 18-25 year old men supporting a wife. it's so implausible it's unreal.

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

you're talking about literal fucking children, like 18-25 year old men supporting a wife.

When did I ever say that? No women should date a man under 35. Of course men in their 20s dont have money. And when they do get those money they leave their bob the builder gf for the woman they really want but couldnt get before. That's why I told her to get an older man of means.

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so your argument revolves around having to date a partner literal decades older than you. do you ever consider that most women don't want to do that?

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Look at men and women with a 10 year age difference. They look like a nice pair. Men mature slower so a difference of 10 years is actually men and women beign the same age. Same for looks. Men look better than women when they age so a woman 10 years younger looks good next to them.

[–]emailpassword12 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

But why? Men in their 20s are much hotter.

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

There;s no way in hell men in their 20s look better. Men always look better as they age. look at Brad Pitt in his 20s. He was a boy. Now in his 50s he's HOT. Boys arent hot. Men are.

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A PhD in biochemistry, actually.

[–]flamingoinghomeIs three lizards in trench coat5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My granddad was a biochemist :) That's an awesome career!

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

She's not a "career woman"; she hasn't graduated yet.

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||0 points1 point  (29 children) | Copy Link

But that's what career women-and men go through to get where they are when they finally make it many years later. And even when they make it they have bad hours, high stress and cant spend time with their kids as a primary caregiver.

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If you can honestly look inside of yourself and say that you find 100% of your personal fulfilment through your man, then congratulations.

For the rest of us "career women" (aka high IQ women), we have intellectual pursuits simply because we like them. "Career men" are the same; there is something inherently enjoyable and even addictive about working through problems and being paid a cosmic amount to do so.

"Career people" are where they are because they are efficient at managing time and because they are low-stress (high EQ) people in general. "Can't spend time with their kids" is silly - any career woman can spend her 20s making bank and take 5 years off to raise children at 30, which is what the data shows that they do.

[–]messiahslave1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

For the rest of us "career women" (aka high IQ women), we have intellectual pursuits simply because

we like them. "Career men" are the same; there is something inherently enjoyable and even addictive about working through problems and being paid a cosmic amount to do so.

I agree that it is addictive to work ton of hours, feeling important, it fuels the ego well but the "working through problems" is a bit overated here.

I mean, you have to work on problems but you seem to imply that it is intellectualy very challenging, it is not or at least not as much as some what you can find on other fields.

It's not where there is the most money to make that you find the most intellectual challenging problems imo.

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you seem to imply that it is intellectualy very challenging

I am implying that it is more intellectually challenging than marrying a guy for his money.

[–]mwait3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

For the rest of us "career women" (aka high IQ women)

I'm just here to laugh at this comment

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

All the high IKuu womyynz are on Reddit.

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||0 points1 point  (22 children) | Copy Link

If you can honestly look inside of yourself and say that you find 100% of your personal fulfilment through your man, then congratulations.

I dont. I have a house, I have a car, I travel abroad every year, I read, I work out every day, I have friends, I cook, I spend time with family. I also have a job. I have plenty of things in my life. But my husband is the base of that because money is the base of most of those things.

> For the rest of us "career women" (aka high IQ women)

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

http://archive.is/r3vbY

http://archive.is/qXM0u

As if being book smart especially with quotas these days is something that makes your life better.

> "Career men" are the same

Men have a completly different motivation.They want to be providers. That's what's motivating most of them, thats what has ALWAYS been motivating men.

> Can't spend time with their kids" is silly - any career woman can spend her 20s making bank and take 5 years off to raise children at 30, which is what the data shows that they do.

Women like that aren't made for children. They will resent them because they cant go bursting balls at work.

[–]flamingoinghomeIs three lizards in trench coat8 points9 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

You know, I'm sure you're aware you have a very extreme viewpoint, and I'm honestly curious and even fascinated--I can't believe you're in the situation you are and not scared. Don't you worry about what would happen in a worst-case scenario?

Reading this thread and your advice to women makes me think of my grandmother. She was a "career woman" to the bone--a scientist. She married my grandfather when they were pretty young. He came from money and had a good career. But his family lost all of their money around the Depression--these things happen. Tragically, my grandfather died quite young, when my father was little. So there was my grandmother--not old, but not in her early twenties either, her husband had died and she was left with a very young son. THANK GOODNESS she had the scientific training she did, to have a real career, or she and my dad would have been on the bread line! And not only was she able to keep herself and my dad with a roof over their heads and food in their mouths, but she loved her career with all her heart and was a pioneer in her field. I can't imagine she'd have preferred to go sniffing around for random rich dudes, especially with a young child to watch out for.

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||-1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

So the alternative would be to what? Be poor always? Never experience money?

My husband has a career not a job. it's a difference. Plus houses we rent that will be pension. We do have plans in place if he dies.

[–]flamingoinghomeIs three lizards in trench coat4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

So the alternative would be to what? Be poor always? Never experience money?

Train in a career that pays well. Work hard. Make your own money.

I don't see how the difference between a career and a job becomes relevant in a global financial crisis. After the 2008 crash, major law firms had to lay off partners. When shit hits the fan, two careers will always be more than one.

Heck, you're Romanian, you've said--I'm surprised if your plan was "get out of Romania and marry a rich guy" you even bothered with the American rigamarole instead of just going to a richer EU country for school and setting up shop there.

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I went to UK and got a college and master degree. But it was in marketing, a field I didnt like and I took a course here to become a paralegal. that;s more suited for me.

I prefer America over UK. I grew up with everything american and watching american tv so I fit in better here than I did in UK.

My mom worked hard because she was single and she was never home. I dont want to do that. I want a normal job.

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I dont. I have a house, I have a car, I travel abroad every year, I read, I work out every day, I have friends, I cook, I spend time with family. I also have a job. I have plenty of things in my life. But my husband is the base of that because money is the base of most of those things.

So do career women. They just earn their own 6 figures+ and get to keep all of it.

You sound butt-hurt that you're not ambitious yourself. You do you.

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

You sound butt-hurt that you're not ambitious yourself.

Lol, how am I butt hurt? That's why I started this conversation, because those people kept saying to me that I am jelaous.

How am I not ambitious? I come from a really poor single mom in Romania and now at 25 I have a huge house, car and I live in America.I get to travel to a bunch of countries, I have lots of nice things. And I was also able to provide for my mom this lifestyle. If this isnt ambition, I dont know what is. All the people I grew up with can't even afford to dream of my life.

[–]Physiologymatters4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There's a huge culture and value gap between you and the people you're talking to. I totally get the way you think but most people born in the US won't

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

> culture and value gap

No there isn't, she isn't representative of us Romanians. She grew up with a poor single mother and got bullied in school for being so weird.

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There is value in your path for sure; it's certainly a hell of a lot easier to marry a rich guy; but I personally wouldn't feel the same as what I do - knowing that I have what I have through my own hard work.

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I do have what I have through my hard work. 70% of women are fat. I work out everyday. Plus, I waited for marriage to have sex-most women sleep around. I've never been to a club or bar-most women party. I am very disciplined. My husband wouldnt have married just anyone. My discipline puts me at the top 10% or less of women.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

come from a really poor single mom in Romania

No offense, but when you are from a first world country etc yea ambitions and dreams take hold because you don't have to fight for things like this.

I actually understand you as I was raised by a very poor drug addicted single mother and it motivated me to work hard as well(in a career im a dude)

I see no shame in what you did if your family etc was on your mind and not just yourself.

[–]goatismycopilotJohnI'monlydancing5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You put down a pretty wide range of people besides career women.

[–]Whodunnit88Survivied Purge Week 2018-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So true. Quite sad.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Man not sure if I agree with all you said but dating apps being cocaine to prevent actual relationships is pretty damn accurate. Even when trying to get to know someone it's so easy to pull the app out and compare them to others, which prevents you from further developing feelings

[–]washington_breadstixM'gtow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

as people generally have the most sex when they're married.

Hmm...

[–]Million-SunsMarriage is obsolete0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm curious. How do you manage to juggle between 3 jobs? I mean there are only 7 days in a week and you need to sleep right?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm an RA (a residential job with regular hours and a certain amount of on-call work due to the residential nature), and organic chemistry lab assistant/TA, and I work in a local lab. I'm taking four classes, two of which have lab sections, so two days I have class one-after-another between 8am and 1:30pm, with lab sections on two different afternoons. I work sections two other afternoons, and two free mornings, for a total of 14 hrs a week (3.5 per section, plus or minus setup and if the lab runs early), plus grading, which I log in my spare time. I'm done with orgo lab by 6pm every day, and sometimes I switch days with other TAs so I can round out my 15+ weekly hours at the drug lab, much of which is on the weekends and on my one no-class day per week.

The professors I work for are wonderful people and very understanding as long as I keep the machines working and the class running smoothly. RA duties mostly kick in after 7:30 pm, so as long as I eat a quick dinner and get started on classwork, I'm good.

Evenings are homework, Reddit is intermittent depending on what I'm doing (I will freely admit that I zone out and post during lecture while I'm TAing, I already passed these classes and, generally, solvents aren't going to mix/samples aren't going to incubate any faster if I'm not having an internet argument), I climb at a gym at my college two evenings and one lunch hour a week, walk/run to work, and spend any free moment with my boyfriend or close friends. Some of them are co-RAs, some are also lab instructors, some share classes with me, some climb with me, those who don't often go weeks without seeing me. I sleep at least seven hours a night, in theory, unless I don't, usually because RA Emergency. It's rough for the moment, but luckily moments where internet strangers come together in harmony to interrogate my life choices make it all worthwhile.

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

35k a year max?

Are you talking about the US? Shittttt.... that's low, even for a teacher.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm from the south; I have friends with big dreams who moved home to try to 'change things', only to realize that they'd never be able to pay off their loans without working at least another part-time job. Teaching here entry-level is around 30k, median is 35k. If they stick it out for a decade they might make more, but not much more.

My dad's been teaching for a decade now, was state teacher of the year, and doesn't make 40k.

[–]YoungCaryElwes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree, I think it's the economy, but I also love the post below saying that the baby-boomers were the beginning of the sexual revolution and super slutty.

[–]Reed_49830 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Teachers will never earn more than 35k? In what place?

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||-4 points-3 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

I'm still going to have to work like a dog if I want to save up enough to go to grad school, which is a few more years, and what then? And how about my friends who want to be teachers who are going to end up making 35k a year max?

Jesus Christ. You're young. Be slim and go get an older man of means. Take advantage of your youth to marry a wealthy man. Stop wasting your time with degrees.

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I'm plenty good looking, though I appreciate your concern. I'm taking advantage of my youth to help develop solutions to antibiotic resistance, and I hope someday that you, your husband, or your children can benefit as a result of my wasted time. I'm sure that you will have a much easier time maintaining your looks and marriage if you aren't dead or infirm.

[–]TheChemist158Non-Feminist Blue Pill Woman4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm taking advantage of my youth to help develop solutions to antibiotic resistance

Hey, a number of my lab mates in grad school were working on that. Or rather, working on AST. I can respect if you don't want to go into detail, but what are you doing if you don't mind me asking? Trying to culture hard to grow cells to find new antibiotics, or am I way off?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

We're looking at the mechanism by which tuberculosis has developed resistance to rifamycin antibiotics, which has mostly been studied in areas with huge TB epidemics (not the US) but raises potential problems for other infections for which rifamycin antibiotics are involved in treatment, particularly meningitis and anthrax. Outside of an epidemic, the 'drug resistance' isn't the hugest problem, yet, but with meningococcus popping up in colleges/communal housing and the threat of anthrax attacks, preventative work to develop either a way to circumvent the process by which TB is becoming resistant in other cells or to identify alternative pathways to treat potentially rifamycin-resistant cells is the task of the moment.

There's also a great lab at an institution I've worked for doing phage research (more environmental/animal vector focused rather than human treatments), which is fascinating as a means of reducing environmentally-occurring antibiotic resistance!

[–]TheChemist158Non-Feminist Blue Pill Woman3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

We're looking at the mechanism by which tuberculosis has developed resistance to rifamycin antibiotics,

Neat. Well, not neat, bad, but interesting work. I bet it sucks to be working with such slow growing cells though. That and potential different forms of resistance.

Outside of an epidemic, the 'drug resistance' isn't the hugest problem, yet

I feel like the society isn't taking drug resistance as seriously as we should. Yeah, it's not a problem right now but we shouldn't wait until we have another plague to start caring. IMO a super bug is one of the most realistic global threats we face today and we really do need to be taking it seriously.

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I'm very lucky - I'm usually working with N. meningitidis, which, while it needs attention, is a lot more short-term rewarding! Fingers crossed, greater general public awareness of antibiotic resistance will help to bring attention/funding before things go off the rails. I'm more hopeful than I have any right to be, lol.

[–]TheChemist158Non-Feminist Blue Pill Woman2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm very lucky - I'm usually working with N. meningitidis, which, while it needs attention, is a lot more short-term rewarding!

That's good, I can't imagine waiting weeks to harvest/use cells. I guess you have to have several cultures going at a time. I mostly work with eukaryotes but they are cancerous and just need a few days to get to full confluency. So yay cancer I guess.

Fingers crossed, greater general public awareness of antibiotic resistance will help to bring attention/funding before things go off the rails. I'm more hopeful than I have any right to be, lol.

And more careful use of antibiotics as well. We really shouldn't be pumping livestock full of them by default. America is good about needing a prescription but other nations aren't. My MIL likes to go to Mexico so she can stock up on them and take them without a doctor's oversight. At least just people seem to understand that you need to finish the full course of them.

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So much of dealing with antibiotic resistance is going to have to be international cooperation to alter the way modern agribusiness works, which... if the way we're dealing with climate change is any indication, won't be an easy pill to swallow. No one likes hearing that there's not a magic bullet pill on the way, or that the pills they already have rely on responsible use to keep working.

I hope in the future I'll have more time to branch out into scicom or various other kinds of educational endeavors. A lot of people just fundamentally don't understand and won't unless someone else/another entity makes the first effort to reach out. Half the time I spend here I consider practice representing my viewpoints to people who are sincerely just looking for reasons to disagree and call me a bitch along with it, which seems to be the direction the public viewpoint of scientists is going.

[–]Whodunnit88Survivied Purge Week 2018-2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Wow humble brag much?

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Just a brag. The work I do is useful to ongoing human existence.

[–]Whodunnit88Survivied Purge Week 2018-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So what?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Humble brag implies an attempt to obfuscate the brag. Don't ask a question if you don't want an answer, perhaps.

[–]Whodunnit88Survivied Purge Week 2018-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'll ask whatever question I want.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great, I'll answer it, we're on the same page!

[–]TheChemist158Non-Feminist Blue Pill Woman6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty appropriate IMO, since she seems to think she is just wasting her time.

[–]allweknowisD13 points14 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

It’s almost like not every woman wants to depend on a man to survive. Who knew

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Is your boss a woman?

[–]allweknowisD4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Yes?

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

So you feel better if you depend on a woman?

[–]allweknowisD8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I feel better knowing if I were to divorce (if I was married), I wouldn’t be left with nothing and my only option would be to jump into bed with another rich man.

Not my kinda life, but you do you.

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I feel better knowing if I were to divorce (if I was married), I wouldn’t be left with nothing

Neither will I!

[–]allweknowisD6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Congrats.

Still rather earn my money instead of getting an allowance. I’m not a child anymore

[–]PuleaSpataru69|||1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I;m not getting an allowance. I am getting money out of OUR bank account whenever I want. I dont ask for permission for MY money. Because after marriage there's no yours and mine. it's ours

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Again: Disgusting.

[–]Whodunnit88Survivied Purge Week 2018-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tee hee

[–]Ultramegasaurus8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Then we told the betas that promiscuity would "trickle down" hahaha

[–]Reed_4983-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nobody ever said that but keep beating that strawman.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

Young people are having less sex than their parents, who were the sluttiest and most irresponsible spouse selectors in American history.

That's a good thing. The last thing we need is another batch of baby boomers.

[–]ifelsedowhilelocal cop - cherry top[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, baby boomers were all debauched, zoomers are going to be much more conservative, we will have Trump 2020-24 and Ben Shapiro 2024-2032.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Boomers elected Trump almost totally unassisted. Millenial voters are far more liberal

http://www.people-press.org/2018/03/01/the-generation-gap-in-american-politics/

[–]ifelsedowhilelocal cop - cherry top[S] 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

They'll become conservative with age just like the Woodstock generation of boomers before them. Liberalism is a juvenile fad.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

They'll flip from ultra liberal to ultra conservative in 2 years? You really believe that?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I did, as well as many of my friends.

A strange thing happens when you watch your hard earned money get stolen from you, to fund the state that is incapable of doing anything, and I mean ANYTHING efficiently aside from its constitutional duties.

Real life comes at you fast when suddenly you are the one footing the bill.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You realize this is a statistical and practical impossibility, right?

[–]Alth12Purple Pill Man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In two years it's impossible, yes. But he's right, people do get more conservative with age. In the UK many who were anti-Margaret Thatcher are now the ones voting Conservative and even pro Brexit. It's also a shift in politics as well though, yesterday's liberalism is the futures conservatism. The left in Thatchers day was the euroskeptic group, and now euroskepticism is seen definitively as a right wing thing.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That sounds awful. Especially Ben Shapiro ugh.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately we're just like the boomers in more ways you'd like to admit.

[–]openoids0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy Link

Worst spouse selectors? Why is it that the divorce rate and single motherhood is higher now than 50 years ago?

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Divorce is down and continues to trend down. Not only because fewer people are getting married, but those who do are staying married. Teen pregnancy is not just down, but way down compared to Gen X and other generations

[–]TheChemist158Non-Feminist Blue Pill Woman11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

divorce rates

Probably because unilateral divorce wasn't allowed 50 years ago. But divorce rates have been dropping steadily since the 80's.

single motherhood

Probably due to the much weaker stigma against it.

[–]openoids3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes...illegitimacy is still around 4 times higher than it was in 1970. But back to original premise re baby boomers choosing wrong partners-

"Young people are having less sex than their parents, who were the sluttiest and most irresponsible spouse selectors in American history.

That's a good thing. The last thing we need is another batch of baby boomers."

Re sluttiest- Later generations are more accepting of promiscuity even if their number of partners has now returned to about the same levels as the 1970's.

When baby boomers were between the ages of 18 and 29, 47% of them thought that sex before marriage was just fine. When Generation Xers were in the same age range, 50% said it didn't bother them. And by the time millennials were in their late teens and 20s, 62% said premarital sex was OK.

[–]storffish0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

When baby boomers were between the ages of 18 and 29, 47% of them thought that sex before marriage was just fine. When Generation Xers were in the same age range, 50% said it didn't bother them. And by the time millennials were in their late teens and 20s, 62% said premarital sex was OK.

Saying something's ok when asked on a survey ("I don't judge it") and engaging in that behavior are two different things entirely. we have the internet and videogames and Netflix and free on-demand porn to distract us from chasing tail. boomers didn't.

[–]openoids0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good point...although there HAS to be some link between behavior and societal norms.

[–]Eartherry4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Because back then women had four choices between highest paying jobs. She could be a teacher, a stewardess, a nurse, or a secretary.

Because back then, they'd take pregnant teens to a commune before she started to show, confine her until she gave birth, take her baby and put it up for adoption, (or give it to her parents and tell everyone it's their younger sibling) and ship her ass back to school.

[–]ImJuliusPepperwood 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

You have to go a generation before the boomers for women to be stuck with those four professions.

[–]Meetchel2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't know - my mom was born in '49 and majored in secretarial work in *high school.* And her parents sent the two boys to college, but not the 5 girls (because they could find a man to provide for them).

[–]ImJuliusPepperwood 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

My grandmother born in ‘31 went to law school. My mother was born in ‘55 and went to college as well.

[–]Eartherry3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

'31 would've been the silent generation, the boomer's parents. Women had to work all kinds of jobs as most able men were off fighting WWI.

[–]openoids-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So are you inferring that more draconian social consequences for unwed mothers created the dynamics for less promiscuity?

[–]Eartherry0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You need context

During that time you didn't talk about sex, with anyone, ever. You couldn't get caught masturbating or your entire community would shun you. Your friends would stop hanging out with you so you couldn't be a bad influence on them. You weren't supposed to even know sex was a thing until your wedding night, or you were in league with the devil. And even after your wedding night, it was only sex to have kids in the missionary position. Society's stance back then was for everyone to pretend sex didn't exist. "Pregnant" was a dirty word on TV because it eludes to sex.

With that context, your question doesn't apply.

[–]openoids1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Im almost 60 and taught history. You're making some stretches there. People have almost always talked about sex when the time and place was right.

[–]bakedpotato4862 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Can't have divorce without marriage.

[–]openoids0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yes...that is a true response to marriage in the "literal" sense.

[–]passwordgoesherelate 30s purpleman2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We need sources all around or this is a baseless conversation

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer20 points21 points  (64 children) | Copy Link

Is having less sex some kind of sign of the Apocalypse? Does the amount of units of sex had correlate with happiness? I really wonder how these leaps are being made.

[–]darla107 points8 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

A good sex life correlates with happiness. Not sure if therefore ‘less sex’ correlates with unhappiness. But it probably does.

[–]RoyalAugur920 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

A good sex life correlates with happiness.

Absolutely true... if you're a guy.

[–]darla102 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

You don’t think a good sex life increases happiness in women?

[–]RoyalAugur92-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

No, I don't. In fact I think women in general tend to be happier the less sex they have.

[–]darla103 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don’t agree.

[–]RoyalAugur92-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, it's your right to disagree, but you're wrong.

[–]woyspawn1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think women in general tend to be happier the less sex they have.

Care to expand this idea?

[–]RoyalAugur92-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What do you want me to elaborate on?

[–]woyspawn0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why you think that more sex means less happiness

[–]RoyalAugur920 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Again - it doesn't if you're a woman. But if you're a man, then yeah.

[–]Daffan6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They say that when men are unhappy/disenfranchised it leads to downturn and societal problems as in conflict. To be clear it's not going to be an apocalypse or anything like that lol.

[–]ifelsedowhilelocal cop - cherry top[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Troubles will come from Muslim men, not from Western ones, don't worry.

[–]------__------------8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Does the amount of units of sex had correlate with happiness?

You think "people who have a lot of sex tend to be happier than people who rarely have sex" is an unreasonable assertion?

It seems kind of self evident to me.

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I think it is a leap.

[–]WhatIsTheMeaningHere4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you're a sexless man who doesn't seem to be desired by anyone, suddenly overthrowing society and slaying your enemies along with other tomfoolery starts to seem like a good idea.

[–]RoyalAugur926 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Is having less sex some kind of sign of the Apocalypse?

If you're a man, kinda, yeah. I wouldn't expect you to understand.

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I mean if you can explain to me how the number of units of sex being had is correlated with happiness, go right ahead.

[–]SaIadcream1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean if you can explain to me how the number of meals at restaurants being had is correlated with happiness, go right ahead.

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sex is not food.

[–]SaIadcream2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"When pleasurable music is heard, dopamine is released in the striatum — an ancient part of the brain found in other vertebrates as well — which is known to respond to naturally rewarding stimuli like food and sex..."

http://wisdomcenter.uchicago.edu/blogs/news/archive/2014/05/01/why-music-makes-our-brain-sing.aspx

[–]RoyalAugur92-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Like I said - I wouldn't expect you to understand. Have a good night.

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It was foolish of me to think someone similar to yourself would have an answer. Why even bother responding to my comment in the first place.

[–]ifelsedowhilelocal cop - cherry top[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sex is a powerful drive.

[–]GayLubeOilTrue Red Pill13 points14 points  (40 children) | Copy Link

Sex correlates with how many people are born. When the high IQ west stops reproducing it will be replaced via disgenic breeding. Below a certain threshold advanced society can't be maintained.

Examples of this decline include ancient Egypt, Brazil and Argentina.

[–]woyspawn9 points10 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Examples of this decline include ancient Egypt, Brazil and Argentina

What are you talking about?

Brazil was always a shit.

Argentina was n°1 world economy at the end of 19th century. By the beginning of 20th century its GDP per capita was 80% of America's. Since then it's been in constant decline, thanks to unions, politicians and corporations corruption deadlock. It's the example of a self cannibalized shithole. Disgenics have nothing to do with it.

[–]GayLubeOilTrue Red Pill1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Argentina was predominantly European in the 19th century and gradually succumbed to central American migration. Same thing with Brazil.

[–]woyspawn6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Show me your numbers.

Argentina was predominantly criollo (mestizo) during most of the 19th century.

European migration explosion started in the 1880s and finished after WWII.

There was no massive Latin American migration until the 1990s . Here you can see that the total foreign LATAM immigration was under 2% if you exclude Uruguay and Chile. The country was already shit by then.

Brazil's case is worse, because it was never grate, we've been forever sinking, they've been forever emerging.

[–]darla100 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

How did it become a first world country? Why did it self cannibalize?

[–]woyspawn2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Economic Liberalism in the soul of 1852 constitution, mimicking America's one, at the hands of Juan Bautista Alberdi.

“Today we must strive for free immigration, liberty of commerce, railroads, the navigation of our rivers, the tilling of our soil, free enterprise, not instead of our initial principles of independence and democracy, but as essential means of assuring ourselves that these will cease being mere words and will become realities. . . . Our revolutionary wars sought to establish liberty from outside oppression . . . what we now need is liberty within. . . . Our leaders want both glory and liberty, and the two are contradictory. . . . As South America has contributed nothing to world civilization except its wars and the victory in its struggle for independence, the only glory which exists among us is martial glory, and our great men are all military heroes. Not a single invention like that of Franklin, like that of Fulton, like the telegraph, and many others which the civilized world owes to North America, has been contributed by our America of the south.”

The great depression gave us military coups sponsored by capitalists at the edge of bankruptcy to bail them out. That was followed by Peron with his corrupt unionization and populism.

Since then, Argentina has had an average annual inflation of 200% (yes, you're reading right), and taxes are between 55% and 70% depending on what you do. We're hostages of a cleptocracy.

[–]darla100 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you.

[–]Meetchel0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Apologies if I'm misreading your post, but Argentina was never the #1 world economy.

[–]woyspawn1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Argentina had the world's greatest GDP per capita during 1895 and 1896, according to Madison Project.

[–]Meetchel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I see the articles on it, so I guess it's correct; I wonder why they weren't in the top 15) in 1890 or 1900 (also Maddison).

[–]ReniboySlightly Red Leaning5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

IQ is a lot more fluid than people think. For one as other countries advance, the average IQs will increase in time. This effect has been seen in the West for some time. Also this comment smacks of racism and genocides are started on this idea you’re flouting.

[–]GayLubeOilTrue Red Pill11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nonracist Communists had no problem committing genocide. Keep your Frankfurt School shamespeek to yourself doesn't work on me.

[–]LuxuriousBottleCap2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

> IQ is a lot more fluid than people think.

The median person believes that literally anyone can be basically be anything. Hence why we light over $150,000 on fire per student in "under performing schools". Because most people think you can simply fix a lack of intelligence by working harder.

So most people believe IQ is FAR more fluid than neurologists do. They're very acutely aware that 50% of IQ is baked in at birth, 40% of the rest is established by age 2. Regular people do not think that 90% of your intelligence is set in stone before you can speak complete sentences. It is, but it's not common knowledge. Otherwise we'd spend more money on infant to toddler development, instead of spending the bulk of money on kids beyond age 10 when absolutely nothing will help at all.

[–]sawouthkayCool and Smart Black Purple Piller0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Typical fake expert comment.

The money spent on under performing schools isn’t spent to “fix intelligence” you dummy, go read some reports about what it’s trying to achieve and when it does and doesn’t manage to do it.

Neurologists aren’t the ones concerned with intelligence. Just because they’re concerned about the brain doesn’t mean they’re the ones studying intelligence the most lol.

I could go on on your stats and other things, but more than a debate I just want to remind people reading this than you shouldn’t trust confident anonymous persons on the internet without a modicum of credibility.

[–]LuxuriousBottleCap0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

go read some reports about what it’s trying to achieve

It is trying to achieve academic and economic equally. Something that intelligence ceilings prevent. It is trying to address a problem in a way that cannot work. Hence the consistent aggregate failure over the past 40+ years.

Only infant development may make up some of the difference. By the time a kid hits 5, it's way, way too late to bring them up to higher academic potential. Their brain is already underdeveloped relative to higher achieving kids. No amount of after school programs can fix that.

Neurologists aren’t the ones concerned with intelligence. Just because they’re concerned about the brain doesn’t mean they’re the ones studying intelligence the most lol.

Your own IQ appears to be revealed in this comment. Of course sociologists study intelligence the most. Though they conduct broad observational studies, rather than looking at brain development. All a sociologist could tell you is "Gosh, it sure seems like setting piles of cash on fire hasn't worked yet - but I'm sure it will somehow!". Only the neurologists could determine how hardwired the brain is by the time a kid hits school age and could tell you that the impact on the child's potential will be minimal compared to early development.

Keep propping up failure though. I'm sure doing things exactly like we have for the last several decades is totally going to start working soon.

[–]sawouthkayCool and Smart Black Purple Piller0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

See. I tried to show you how the world is a bit more nuanced than you perceive but you’re stuck in your epic fight against “sociologists”. There’s more than sociologist and neurologists in science. Neither are studying intelligence primarily.

Try to focus and nourish that superior brain of yours, will you? Society can’t afford to lose it, you’re so precious to us you know?

[–]LuxuriousBottleCap-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Try to focus and nourish that superior brain of yours, will you? Society can’t afford to lose it, you’re so precious to us you know?

Man, looking through your post history is like a wall of 1 karma comments. I guess you're not just terribly condescending and contrite with me, apparently it's every post you make.

You seem to have managed Trumpian levels of narcissism with mid-level manager levels of life success. My hat is off to you. You've officially made an impression on me. I won't be replying to you again, but I'll remember your name for sure ;)

[–]sawouthkayCool and Smart Black Purple Piller0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gosh what a pompous drama queen

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs4 points5 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Ooof.

That's a lot of words to say "I'm racist."

[–]GayLubeOilTrue Red Pill13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

That's a few words to say "I'm too stupid to refute what your saying"

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't exactly need to put on my thinking cap to refute racist eugenics bullshit.

[–]GayLubeOilTrue Red Pill18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because you dont have a thinking cap. So what your doing is labeling the problem without adressing it.

Explain to me how different dog breeds have different behavior characteristics yet humans don't.

If words arnt your strong suit please include a video of you communicating via tribal dance.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hoooray for condescension!

Human beings aren't dogs my dude. You shouldn't need a video to understand that.

[–]aretournerPPD = mimophant party6 points7 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

He can't even spell the words he's using to oh-so-subtly (note: sarcasm) imply that other races are dumber than the one he belongs to. Is that irony?

[–]oftheinfinite 1 points [recovered]  (9 children) | Copy Link

I'm Arab. Arab are dumber than East Asians and whites.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You guys did alright in the dark ages.

[–]oftheinfinite 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

Not at all. The credit goes to the Persians.

[–]Ardekan6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Not true at all.

Micheal Axworthy's book "A History of Iran" says that there's genetic continuity within Iranians and that they're one of the most stable genetic populations and he's not alone. That is the consensus. Things just change, Baghdad used to be world leading in science and technology until the mongols arrived.

[–]oftheinfinite 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

I can't argue with consensus and if there isn't more than meets the eye, it's pretty disappointing that Iran has a lower national IQ than Iraq. Inbreeding, thanks to Islam, must have taken a serious toll.

[–]Ardekan0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Considering how highly educated Iranians are even compared to countries in‌ Europe and the Americas the likelyhood of Iraq, a country where nearly half the population are ilitterate has a higher national average than Iran seems impossible.

[–]ifelsedowhilelocal cop - cherry top[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Weren't the people in the Fertile Crescent Middle Easterners? They invented pretty much everything, from geometry to writing to astronomy.

[–]oftheinfinite 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

They weren't Arab when those things were invented. But where are Middle Easterners now? The highest Middle Eastern IQ, apart from Israel, is Iraq at 87. That's pathetic by Western standards and Middle Easterners haven't contributed anything to global civilizations for centuries now. They never had the potential to advance STEM in the way whites and E. Asians have.

[–]woyspawn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How is nutrition over there? A way to quickly increase IQ is to erradicatr famine, and nutrition issues.

[–]mwait3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's almost as if you don't know what that word means.

[–]sailorlycia 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

He's racked up several mod warnings for race-baiting. Probably hoping the "lot of words" will fly under their radar.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh I'm more than familiar with this particular wannabe genius. He's just an outdate faux-alpha hawking t-shirts to bitter, sad men.

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Disgenic breeding happens within races not just between them. See Ideocracy.

[–]Here4thebeer3232No Pill5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Having slightly less sex does not automatically mean there is some great problem. All comprehensive and offical studies still indicate that the vast majority of people have sex. I think it's more that there are greater alternatives to sex (video games, porn, etc) that offer satisfaction for less risk. There is also greater levels of stress, higher working hours, more people living with their parents or roommates, and lower wages than previous generations, which would put a damper on the desire for sexy times. Dating apps have had an effect I'm sure, but it's more of an additional avenue for hooking up, not a replacement.

[–]MGTOWtoday4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My theory is that the same amount of sex is happening, there’s just fewer people participating.

[–]jax006Wants to bang ~20% of PPD chicks3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably. Most dating apps follow the same tech pattern of catering to low attention-span dopamine hits and instant gratification that is, IMO, a pretty consistent trend in most newer degenerative behaviors (Video games, porn, social media).

Like anything, there are winners - the top end of SMV men are big winners with OLD, especially ones who are busier or more introverted and are out on the field less. Women who are looking for validation can get some any hour of the day just by swiping on dudes who will then compliment her.

The the majority of people I think you find it's mainly a detriment - shy men use it as a scapegoat, insecure men let it beat up their self confidence, people find hookups to exploit NSA sex from and engage in games to see who can invest less in eachother ect.

I personally still enjoy OLD but I don't think it's really any good for the SMP in the grand scheme. I find it makes me devalue my relationships with women. Another one is already a swipe away.

[–]MaterialSea 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm so happy I'm an asexual male, or at least I don't get horny anymore looking at girls, porn, anything, I can still get hard to porn and I just masturbate once a week or every other week since I read it's unhealthy not to.

It's either that I am actually asexual or over the course of the past year getting rejected so much and finally losing my virginity to a hot escort I just stopped caring. This stuff if I think about it too much just depresses you the fuck out.

I found out I am so much happier when I just forget about dating and sex and focus on my own pursuits such as weightlifting, day trading, making money, reading, traveling, studying in college, and overall things and hobbies that just improve myself and securing my future.

Most people suck ass, but that doesn't matter when you don't care so much and just do you and have your own vision. You can't control other's. Only yourself and your vision. Life is meaningless, and you should have fun, but I define my fun. Not society's version of fun. It will be fun one day though if I get successful so I can give the finger to all the bitches that are all of the sudden interested in me.

[–]Haste-Leans Red + Wants A Nuclear Family1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not to sure about paragraph 1-2 but 3-4 earns an “Amen” from me.

Having to base your happiness on another is not healthy for ANY person female or male. One of my exes use to base all of her happiness on me and after a couple months when i saw nothing growing on her end i stopped caring and just kept her for the plowing till she left. I should have ended it sooner but i figured she would just break up with me when she got out of the honeymoon phase like i did.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Honestly, I think most young guys should go visit a high end escort. I think it would help young guys take pussy off of the pedestal, and make the dating world a lot happier for everyone involved.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I suspect

so I can give the finger to all the bitches that are all of the sudden interested in me.

Because

losing my virginity to a hot escort I just stopped caring. This stuff if I think about it too much just depresses you the fuck out

[–]OHG15 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

More likely the internet is making young men total pussies who wont approach women.

Get off video gamss and anime for easy pussy

[–]ifelsedowhilelocal cop - cherry top[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I read too much feminist stuff and now I no longer want to approach women because of all the sense of guilt.

[–]OHG11 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why?

[–]tallwheelManosphere Unificationist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I kinda had that too back in my feministy days. It was more subconscious than anything. Was really worried about making women feel uncomfortable.

[–]Ladyofblades2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Men have greater equality and chances in the now than in previous ages when only the top males were able to have wives and reproduce (polygyny). Our genes only come from less than 50% (30-40%) males, while we have had up to 70% reproductive success for women. It has never been equal. Any men expecting this will be sorely disappointed.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It has never been equal. Any men expecting this will be sorely disappointed.

We've managed to root out other historical inequalities between the sexes like some kind of urgent rampage. We ought all keep in mind that we live in a democracy, and the ballot box can correct for such inequalities in inequality rectifying fairly quickly.

[–]Ladyofblades0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You make the mistake of equating biological inequality with social inequality. It’s like trying to eliminate the beauty advantage - futile, unless you can bioengineer attractiveness to be relatively equal. If that’s what you mean then yes, but giving people incentives because they aren’t as attractive is ludicrous.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

unless you can bioengineer attractiveness to be relatively equal

Nothing so extreme. Just heavily incentivize marriage and children (not, you won't get a tax break otherwise, but rather, but rather, you're not a functioning participant in the social order till you do). That game of musical chairs will correct the imbalance real fast

[–]Ladyofblades0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It already is incentivized to the point it causes difficulties for gay partners and child free folks. Come back to me when you find something that creates equality for everybody without marginalizing others.

I’m actually in favor of bioengineering - who wouldn’t want diseases eliminated or their children to be born on a more level playing field?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

who wouldn’t want diseases eliminated or their children to be born on a more level playing field?

That would be nice, but I suspect that access to it will be based on wealth/status, so it'll just create even more starkly bifurcated classes of people.

[–]iceicle9992 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for finally admitting what's going on. The first line of your post was explained by the last line of your post. "Less sex" is not the result of a prude traditional society nor is it proof we live in a prude traditional society. What's happening is that like it always intended, the "sexual revolution" is leaving behind certain guys while certain other guys reap the benefits of it to extreme levels. The internet claims this isn't true but then the internet complains that lots of young men are opting out and oppressing women by denying women their presence and interactions.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes they're revealing everything that sucks about women and dating and setting the volume knob on entitlement to 11

[–]mydikishomofobik4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

The free sexual marketplace is doing fine. "Free market" means people get to choose what they want. And women are all choosing the same small amount of dick because they can, thanks to dating apps.

The main problem here isn't guys not getting laid. Men can get by jacking off to porn is worst comes to worst.

The main social problem is that there are going to be hordes of embittered damaged women running around causing trouble. These will be the women who got pumped and dumped by a train of tinder Chads and Tyrones, and end up hating all men when they're older / have had multiple abortions / are single mothers.

[–]ImJuliusPepperwood 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]mydikishomofobik1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably because of more availability of birth control and an aging population with fewer women in prime childbearing age.

[–]tallwheelManosphere Unificationist1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Jacking off doesn't seem to be cutting it for a lot of men. They want to feel real validation and warm human contact too. That's why you see those men complaining on online forums. Luckily only a few of them have actually gone out and committed crimes because of it so far.

[–]mydikishomofobik0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

How many so-called incels online are real incels, and how many are just men or women who are trolling? I don't think there are many actual incels because most guys would just jack off or get a hooker instead of complaining.

[–]tallwheelManosphere Unificationist1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Even if they do jack off and get a hooker, many of them will not be satisfied without someone who loves them.

[–]mydikishomofobik0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Love is fake and gay. All women are prostitutes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

so far

Canaries in the coalmine

[–]VoidInvincibleFull Measure1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, the more and more I think about it, the more I am starting to hate Tinder and the like. What happened to the good old fashioned way of meeting women in person? Less and less women are going out to bars and whatnot to meet men now. They are getting lazy and simply swiping on Tinder. Well, often times they're swiping left so much they accidentally swipe left on someone attractive (like me.) It's making it harder to even play the game.

There is still hope left. Tinder is such a crap shoot it's not even cool anymore. I am tired of not getting matched with girls I would have no problem getting in real life. Even with top notch film shoot photos, it's still not enough. Even with a good body, it's still not enough. Last time I got any action from Tinder was in January with a very slutty college chick. And nothing since (well, I got some from Hinge a couple months ago). Tinder is horrible, even for attractive guys like me.

I'll just have to start going to college bars, clubs, and raves to meet slutty chicks, even though many of them will be at home swiping on Tinder instead of going out.

I encourage women here to GO OUT TO MEET MEN and stop ONLY relying on Tinder. Wouldn't you rather be swept off your feet in person anyway?

[–]nemma8831/F/UK INFP -t. Engaged1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll hazard a guess people have more sex when interacting with other people.

I'll also guess a lot more people are spending a lot more time within their homes.

1+1=2.

[–]Alth12Purple Pill Man5 points6 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

It's probably linked more to a general decline in testosterone amongst men. Less testosterone, lower sex drive, less sex.

Couple that with the fear of God being put into men regarding rape, and men are probably less likely to have that random bar hook up.

Less sex for men usually means less sex for women as well, seeing as most of the world is straight.

[–]Son_of_Tzu14 points15 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Less sex for men usually means less sex for women as well.

In a hook up culture this couldn't be further from the truth.

[–]OHG1-1 points0 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

So youre just mad as a low quality man women are making a better choice?

Cry me a riverrrr

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

women are making a better choice?

Women make objectively terrible dating choices

[–]OHG12 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Uh huh. Except when theyre fucking you right?

You guys need to have some self awareness if you want to be taken seriously

[–]adool9992 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

My gf is making a horrible mistake. Lots of girls make terrible mistakes. I love it.

[–]OHG10 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Everyone fucks up sometimes.

Be a shithead just dont cry if women wont fuck you. That guy whined

[–]adool9991 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

He wasn't. He said they made terrible dating choices. That's not the same as them not sleeping with him. Do you people have anything beside shaming tactics?

[–]OHG1-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Any man that soft deserves shame.

Its weird when you talk in a rp way and rpers get upset...

Suck it up

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No, we’re well aware we’re a bad choice for women, but that’s what they’re hard wired to select for 🤷🏻‍♂️

[–]OHG10 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Whatever helps you sleep at night dude! You do you!

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t need help sleeping at night

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Uh huh. Except when theyre fucking you right?

No. All I do is loudly present "I'm a terrible decision". Who wants to get on the back and trust the felon biker with their life? Plenty

[–]OHG10 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

As long as you dont cry about women choosing other guys

[–]tallwheelManosphere Unificationist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think he just said that they ought to be choosing other guys if they were smarter, not complaining about it.

[–]Son_of_Tzu0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's exactly my point. Women choose better = more sex for higher males The casual scene is favouring females and high males who have no reason to commit.

One man spreads to multiple females hence an obvious discrepancy.

I honestly don't care, since I'm a top male in my ethnicity and fullfil a certain preference I'll always have pussy.

[–]OHG10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Any enthnicity that isnt white is valueless

[–]Daffan4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are millions of men who want sex ASAP but will never be able to 'compete' for it in modern culture even if they were so overflowing on T, it was coming out of their eyeballs and were so horny they'd fuck a pillow. Many 'studies' (I put it like that because some are decent and some are rough) have men way more on the downturn in term of sexual partners.

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[–]HumanSockPuppetEqual-Opportunity Oppressor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whence comes this assumption that the free sexual marketplace is dying?

[–]rovad_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course they are, just look at the growing percentage of young men that know about maxillary position, forward growth, mewing, zygomatic bone, orbital rims, etc...or maybe thats just me lol

[–]WhatIsTheMeaningHere0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't this mean the market is more free?

[–]YetAnotherCommenterPurple Pill Man, Sexual Economics Theory0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Why is this a "demise" of the free sexual marketplace?

You're presuming that sexual disenfranchisement of men counts as some sort of market failure, but the reality is that this COULD be a more efficient outcome. Remember that the world of mandatory monogamy often meant a loveless marriage to a woman who didn't desire you, and having to support her and the kids you may not have wanted. Not to mention she wasn't going to put out that much nor does she have any reason to be sexually adventurous.

Single life even without the once-a-season starfish-sex may actually be better for men. You get to keep your own hobbies and spend your money on yourself, for one. So you may actually be ending up with more utility.

Women, clearly, are ending up with more utility as well (otherwise they'd revert to traditionalism). As are "Chad" men. Their utility matters, too.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Not to mention she wasn't going to put out that

Still counts

Single life even without the once-a-season starfish-sex may actually be better for men. You get to keep your own hobbies and spend your money on yourself, for one. So you may actually be ending up with more utility.

This was written by someone who doesn't understand the horror that sexlessness poses to many (most?) Men

Women, clearly, are ending up with more utility as well (otherwise they'd revert to traditionalism).

No arguing here. Women are definitely the winners in this sham.

As are "Chad" men. Their utility matters, too.

Not as much as the plurality. That's what utility is. The greatest good for the greatest number

[–]YetAnotherCommenterPurple Pill Man, Sexual Economics Theory1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Still counts

This was written by someone who doesn't understand the horror that sexlessness poses to many (most?) Men

Yes, many men are exceptionally thirsty. Honestly I consider myself lucky for having very little thirst. But I don't think I'm wrong in suggesting that many people who claim traditionalism was "better" are really underestimating the costs incurred by men in traditional marriages. Very few traditional marriages had mutual attraction or "true love."

Ask any prostitute. Tons of men don't merely want an orgasm, they want "the girlfriend experience" or more accurately they want to feel desired by a woman. Using her inert, starfish-position body as a fleshlight doesn't make a man feel desired. Skilled prostitutes are good at making a man feel desired, even if only temporarily.

So traditional marriages often end up as two people who don't really love each other, are together because society told them they have to, with him providing her a great lifestyle and working himself into an early grave for tiny rations of duty-sex.

Not as much as the plurality. That's what utility is. The greatest good for the greatest number

It should be specified that what this sentence means is the sum total of utility across all individuals is the relevant factor. It isn't about the distribution of utility; if one person as a million units of utility and the other nine people have zero, that is better than if all ten people have fifty thousand units of utility.

If men experience an extremely large amount of utility from their first unit of sex and experience substantially less (and further decreasing) utility from additional units of sex, one-man-one-woman may be utility maximizing at least for men. But the relatively high amounts of promiscuous behavior men seem to fantasize about seems to indicate they get either constant or increasing marginal utility from sex.

Not to mention, mandatory monogamy clearly wasn't utility-maximizing for women, since they stopped engaging in it when social stigmas against alternative lifestyles were weakened.

Finally, it should be noted that extremely strong social stigmas against alternatives, and huge amounts of shaming and social pressure, were required to sustain mandatory monogamy. If a social institution is utility-maximizing then why are such stigmas/social prohibitions necessary in the first place?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

If a social institution is utility-maximizing then why are such stigmas/social prohibitions necessary in the first place?

People ain't right! Don't know what's good for em.

[–]YetAnotherCommenterPurple Pill Man, Sexual Economics Theory0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

People ain't right! Don't know what's good for em.

Are you suggesting that people don't know their own subjective preferences? That other people (perhaps you) know what they really prefer better than they do? I find that a rather arrogant viewpoint.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

People know their subjective preferences but are generally bad at maximizing their return. Day traders lose money on the stock market because they panic sell. If we let anyone do that shit people would lose tons of money. Hence you need a minimum of $25,000 or whatever. That doesn't contradict the fact that everyone likes more money rather than less.

[–]YetAnotherCommenterPurple Pill Man, Sexual Economics Theory0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're relying on some sort of objective theory of value. This takes the discussion out of the realm of economics and into ethics.

[–]smfuel870 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The supposed majority. That's the problem with dating sites. You have to inflate your supposed value to ridiculous heights or you're invisible. You also have to be in the top 10% looks wise on the apps. Its a lost cause and a fool's errand. I want to stay somewhere in the vicinity of reality. But you can't so I haven't been on for over three years.

[–]analt223No Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Social media causes societal distruction

[–]Reed_49830 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Finland is not part of Scandinavia.

[–]ifelsedowhilelocal cop - cherry top[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

yes, It is.

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points [recovered]  (52 children) | Copy Link

Why would men in the modern world seek out women? They have no reason to now, unlike in the past.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

But they do. Constantly.

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points [recovered]  (24 children) | Copy Link

Heteronormativity is too deeply engrained in our society with respect to men.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

You think "society" makes men desperate for sex?

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points [recovered]  (22 children) | Copy Link

Yes, just look at media and advertising, it's all about feeding the idea of women as being valuable sexually to men.

[–]aretournerPPD = mimophant party10 points11 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Why do you think non-humans want to bang so much? Is red deer society making all the male red deer want to have sex with the female red deer? Come on now.

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

Do they want to bang so much? Compared to humans not really

[–]aretournerPPD = mimophant party2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rut_(mammalian_reproduction)

Male animals have been known to literally fuck themselves to death via exhaustion. Male deer will also often kill or be killed in fights with other males over sexual access to females.

What I'm saying is you're wrong and it's clear you haven't even given cursory thought to your flimsy worldview.

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

"Mating season" humans sexuality is propped up so much by society it doesn't have a season.

[–]aretournerPPD = mimophant party5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Do you even believe anything you're saying? Non-internet-trollishly? Non-'ironically?' Do you really believe it?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

TIL the media creates natural impulses and testosterone. So effective, they affect all males across time and species. Amazing.

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy Link

So society doesn't push males towards engaging women romantically?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Does society push us to crave high calorie foods, or does it capitalize on our natural instinct to do so?

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

If society isn't pushing us towards it, why are billions of dollars spent every year on pushing us towards it?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Because we are naturally drawn to it, meaning there's money to be made.

Males pursue females for sex. Across species, geography, and history. No one created it, no one can destroy it. That's the way we are built.

[–]Here4thebeer3232No Pill3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Or how men here determine your worth based on n count.

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

I would say it's a lot more than just the men here.

[–]OHG11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most alphas are fucking high n count sluts consistently. And most dont whine about it.

Its lack of rp value that makes them whine about n count

[–]mydikishomofobik3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Evolution makes most postpubescent human males want to have sex with fecund human females. Media and advertising sell sex because men have an evolutionary attraction to it. Just like they put sugar in processed foods because people an evolutionary taste for it.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Companionship, love, children, friendship, compassion, sex.

Need me to keep going?

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

Why do they need women for that?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

idk maybe because they're not mentally ill shut ins?

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

So women are the providers of: >Companionship, love, children, friendship, compassion, sex.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

they are if you're a warm blooded, normal testosterone, non blind, straight, healthy chap, fellow, bloke.

there are certain things that are unfit to be discussed with my male friends. i'm sure you can work out what they are.

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're being too vague

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i'm saying that unless there's something wrong with you, women provide all of that. like what's your argument? that you can get it from guys? I don't want to have sex with men. I don't want to be intimate with men. I can ocasionally get some of the other things from guys, I make an effort to see them and so on but really, you'll spend more time with your wife or girlfriend and therefore become better friends anyway.

[–]tallwheelManosphere Unificationist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. They have a monopoly on it for straight males.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you asexual and aromantic?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Why?

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

What reason do they have?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The reasons they had in the past. Why do they have no reason now?

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

They aren't forced to by society

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

All 3.5 Billion all around the entire planet? Which societies? The US one? East Coast? West Coast? Canada?

[–]passwordgoesherelate 30s purpleman0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

For sex? What kind of question is that?

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

What's valuable about that?

[–]passwordgoesherelate 30s purpleman6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Where are you coming from? This is purplepill, not some mgtow sub

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm not MGTOW, they're dumb

[–]passwordgoesherelate 30s purpleman0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ok, explain what you meant and then we’ll have something to talk about

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why would men want to have sex with a women, in modern society

[–]passwordgoesherelate 30s purpleman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You have explaining to do before me

[–]tallwheelManosphere Unificationist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're MGTOW whether you choose to adopt the label or not.

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